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Germany Gives Greece Just Enough Rope: Varoufakis Says If Troika Rejects Reforms "The Deal Is Dead And Buried"
As usual, the fine print of any European "deal" is revealed not only after the agreement, but after the US market close. So for all those waiting for the real punchline, here it is - it also is the reason why Greece got until Monday to reveal the list of "reforms" it would undertake:
"We’re in trouble next week if creditors don’t accept Greece’s reforms", Greek Finance Minister Yanis Varoufakis says. "If our list of reforms is not backed by the institutions, this agreement is dead and buried."
That's bad. But... "But it’s not going to be knocked down by the institutions."
For his sake, let's hopes he is correct in predicting what the Troika, pardon, Institutions will do. Because this is precisely what Schauble meant when he said that the "Greeks Certainly Will Have A Difficult Time To Explain The Deal To Their Voters": under the conditionality of the Troika's approval, the Tsipras government now has to walk back essentially all the promises it made to the Greek people - promises which by some accounts amount to over €20 billion in additional spending - or the Troika, pardon Institutions, will yank the entire deal and the Grexit can then commence.
And that's the bottom line.
It's also the reason Schauble was gloating: because he gave the Greek government just enough rope with which to hang itself.
Then again, if and when the Tsirpas government is booted out next once the Greek euphoria turns to disgust and disillusionment, does Germany really want to negotiate with Golden Dawn instead?
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Lol. Greece is a toast. Or Syriza. Both good choices.
indeed they are. As i said in another thread, this should put to rest all those thoughts some on here had the syriza was going to put those bankers in their place. Big govt socialist type govts go hand in hand with banker types. True freedom, both personal and monetary, cannot co-exist with central banks. Don;t know why tyler thinks negotiating with golden dawn would go any differently that these socialist clowns. No one wants to take the blame for the inevitable pain that will come along with a real grexit, evne though in the long run, that would be better than living under the thumb of the ECB.
The Greeks talked the talk but the walk was "more than she could bear"
Just kissing the fist that butters your toast.
Ya Gotta Know When Ta Foldem, Know When Ta Foldem....... Da Da Da Daaaa...
CAN Going Clunkity Clunk Clunk Clunk ... ... .. . .. ......
All the Greek reform politicians talk tough to the Euros until they get their Swiss bank accounts filled, and the keys to the villa in Mallorca. Then they can throw the rest of the Greeks under the bus for the penultimate time. Had the Spartan 300 known what shits we have today they never would of sacrificed their lives, not for these scums.
The only way real change will happen is when the Greek people storm the government and burn down the building with the politician scum insided them.
Well, These 2 Smiling Politicalista Gents Might Be Very RICH Blokes Right Now?????
the establishment is more powerful than ever. O might as well write a new constitution.
Aapl buys Greece... I Greece
Yanis reelection slogan: Never did we stand so tall as when we bent over.
Regardless of the fact that they are socialist, I'm hoping that Democracy will prevail. I'm hoping that the will of the Greek people will prevail. They are, and will be remembered in history, as the first to push the limits. God bless them for trying to standup to the zionist banking cartel. I wish I could crowd fund them. Maybe I'll try.
Actually, I'm not convinced there is any difference between corrupt capitalism and corrupt socialism, both are destine for failure.
i see room for many rallies this year......
every time there is a perceived cave in to the staus quo....its 300 spx points up
remember...these people are all on the same team
next crisis is?
Big fuckin surprise that the feta cheese Greeks folded like a lawn chair. Tsipiras and varoufakis we're never fighting for the sake of the Greeks, they were holding out for themselves trying to get a deal with the ecb or whatever power position they could get themselves into after they once again use the Greek sheeple as their own personal bargaining tool. All politicians are the same filth and should never be trusted.
What a fkn amateur Schauble is, the tool was openly gloating. It doesnt matter what the substance of this agreement is, there will be riots and syriza will be lucky to get out of this alive
Give me Golden Dawn or give me Chosenite parasites.
"use the Greek sheeple as their own personal bargaining tool"
We don't know that they did this yet. Then again,
"The race is not always to the swift, but that is the way to bet"
there will be NO optimism from this dude. they suck balls and lick chasim. until change is hand in hand with violence, no optimism. it is the only way to change this situation the world is held hostage to.
I disagree with some here. There is no doubt in my mind greece will get a bailout soince the counterparties [esp German, French and merkian bankers] will not suffer loss of a penny.
jmho
that rope snubble was mentioning, hmmm...
The Greeks have already demonstrated that the debt is uncollectable. They wil default. All the rest of this is just a high school drama club re-enactment of reparations on Germany in 1920s. It will end badly while the party goes on in Germany.
"Well, These 2 Smiling Politicalista Gents Might Be Very RICH Blokes Right Now?????"
It's a well known business plan.
i) Make a startup.
ii) Hype it to high heaven.
iii) Sellout
iv) Profit!
Wtf? They haven't already got a reform package and anti-corruption policy in place? How the hell did they get the first rounds of bail outs? Unbelievable!!
"How the hell did they get the first rounds of bail outs? Unbelievable!!"
Not so unbelievable, if you look at where the money went ... 95% did not even touch ground in athens, it changed accounts in Brussels (you know that country that famously is buying all US bonds). it is just a game of mirrors, there is NO REAL LOANS or money.
continuation of the same practices, its like the women who is trying to find good things on her abducter and rapist... i dont see it going on for too long ... and so it looks to me is mr. market
92 percent if you believe the numbers. but what's 3 percent of 8 percent amoungst criminals..
not to be picky but according to Disselbloom is somewhere between 96-97% ... yeah, well ... funny how MSM never touches this subject ...
Seriously though....was Verifukus just building his resume? Is he going to hit the lecture circuit now!! Nothing destroys your credibility more than talking so tough then just not even showing up for the fight. Sure, I didn't expect much....but his words certainly told us otherwise.
"Then again, if and when the Tsirpas government is booted out next once the Greek euphoria turns to disgust and disillusionment, does Germany really want to negotiate with Golden Dawn instead?"
So the can gets kicked down the road till .... Monday.
Then the parliament votes out the current dead horses ... but can always elect a new set of Tsirpas dead horses to re-open negotiations next week.
Why not?
Greece can keep electing new dead horses FOREVER ... as long as they have elections.
There are ONLY two choices:
1) GRexit
2) German troops invade Greece (Wait? Won't that be MORE expensive than GRexit?)
and option 1) starts the other PIIGS lining up for their turn.
It won't be a done deal until the statement ends with "and everyone should get their flu shot"
OR CHIPPED, FACIAL SCANNED AND DNA'D
It ends with (ala South Park): And then everyone had ice cream.
It's a done deal for 4 month. Then the can will be kicked again.
More than plausible to me that Greece finds it to their advantage to drag this out for another 4 months or so.......say what you want to hear Monday, but nothing much is going to happen with "that list" over the next 4 months. I tell you whats going to happen.....4 more months of preparation ( putin, china, turkey, new-drachma ....the real list goes on).....and the sweet part is you can blow the bugdet surplus target on the EU's dime, and live off the tit for a while longer. In the end the pain for the EU will be just that much bigger. Who blinked? The EU of course.......they should have pulled the plug now, but oh no, their beautiful pan-european vision clouds their judgement once again.
darkpool: I think you are right; that's best anaysis I've head yet.
Thanks.
"Then again, if and when the Tsipras government is booted out next once the Greek euphoria turns to disgust and disillusionment, does Germany really want to negotiate with Golden Dawn instead?"
not quite. yes, the elected Greek Parliament could boot the Tsipras government out and appoint a new one. no, this would not have to include Golden Dawn or even new elections for the next four years
Greece has quite a range of choices, which will open up even more in the next two years. GreXit is still possible, though not likely
1st) We know nothing for sure. We got just a statement, which is just a piece of garbage with near zero information value (Try translate it into plain English).
2nd) They are talking about the current agreement, which will be extended by 4 months.
3rd) 4 months is enough time for lot of things.
4th) What if the Troika wont agree with new Greek "reforms"?
So chill, go to the kitchen and make snacks for the next round.
How can you be so flippant? They intend for a lot of innocent people to DIE.
He was flippant about the process being played, IMO. We know whatever happens its the average person who will continue to bear the brunt. Its pretty bad when an a busy Mum, decent working guy like a mechanic or an old retiree is supposed to keep up with the wiles of a Legarde, Dimon or Draghi, etc.
Hard to keep up with people that get paid to sit around all day trying to figure out new ways to screw that busy mum, and mechanic over some more.
That's basically what bureaucrats do.
we hire them(elect-ha) and they fuck us over. work less, spend less, exit the matrix as much as possible. virtually impossible to not have to enter and exit matrix daily/weekly to gain fiat. limited exposure for moar fulfilled life. i personally spend 25-30 hrs sucking fiat dick and thats it... zero hours dick licking fiat matrix bullshit is the goal...
I agree.
The bureaucrats and politicians are working hard for they employer. Sadly usually their employers are not the "average Joe and Jane".
Rant: Why nobody said anything when somebody write "yawn" or "bring the popcorn" when the Greeks started negotiations and the shooting escalated in Ukraine? And I have to tell something new: they are people to.
BTW: The greeks still can make the Germans (and other creditors) run for they money this month.
yea the popcorn stiiiik is getting old. maybe time to crank out moar on the dillon. much moar productive use of tyme...
as you suggested ....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsjiSfAmEeo
This is going to take too many cokes and boxes of popcorn to watch this comedy.
I don't think Greece will roll at all. Does the IMF troll here now?
Translation to plain English for Oracle 911:
Varoufakis: If you don't give us some of the last €7.2B now, we'll be bankrupt and you'll never get any of the other €280B paid back. Don't be stupid.
Schauble: Do what we told you Greek whore bastards or no more EU money!
Varoufakis: Look, we only get €200M of chump change out of the €7.2B anyway, the other €7B is just going right back to you as interest. Then we're in the same place four months from now but an additional €7.2B in debt. That's stupid.
Schauble: Well, if you want the €200M to keep the Greece afloat today, then you need to borrow the entire €7.2B less €7.0B interest and stop spending money on your people like a God damn crackhead with a Visa Black card!
Varoufakis: Are you f'king insane? How about giving us the €7.2B and we'll pay €2.2B of it towards the outstanding interest. That will give us €5B to tide us over until we figure out a rational plan where we're actually paying down the loan over time, not going deeper into debt. Kind of like we did with Germany after WWII.
Schauble: Nein! NEIN! €7.2B for €200M cash, goyen. Put your pensioners in the ovens. Pitchfork your welfare babies. These are the only terms.
Varoufakis: OK - then fuck off. Bankruptcy! Sorry - we're broke and we can't pay any of it back, bitch. €200M isn't going to help much anyway.
Schauble: VAS?? OK - neue plan: we give you €200M and maybe you can stop eating and sell your daughters. But this new Greek plan will conform to the previously agreed terms: €7.2B for €200M cash. Put your pensioners in the ovens. Pitchfork your welfare babies. Do this NOW. Schnell!
Varoufakis: Yeah... OK [sigh]. Let me run this by my people over the weekend [snicker]. Are we done here because I want to get back and short the living crap out of every EU bank before the markets close. I'm about to become very wealthy watching your f'king Ponzi go down.
Schauble: Gut, gut! Arbeit macht frei! Then you will come back with the acceptable Greek plan next Monday?
Veroufakis: [snicker] Of course, Wolfgang... You'll get your f'king Greek plan first thing Monday morning, I promise... Bring some extra Depends!
You made my day. LOL.
Agreed !
but, but ... WTF downvoted this ...
Idiot, asshole or moron, it's a tossup, no ? Perhaps a bankster.
Shit like this is why I comb through the comments. Thank you.
Sooo............ooo.
I Guess We Can All Wipe Our Asses With The (new)Agreement They Just Got...
Hey, C'mon, Its Still Good For Holding Some Shit.....
Not only did Germany fuck Greece's wife. He wiped his dick on the drapes before he left. If Greece acts up again, the bitch will get the donkey punch!
too funny: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Donkey+Punch
Greece is analagous to a 16 year old teen who was given unlimited spending power on a credit card.
Naturally the teen will over-spend.
Now the not-teen (who is 26) is told: "You must work 96 hours a week for the rest of your life." Also you must sell everything of value that you have.
C'mon Greece--default, start anew. It's inevetable. Sure some will suffer, and perhaps even die (pensioners throwing themselves out of buildings) but one year of suffering is better than a lifetime of serfdom.
Teens grow up and put aside bad habits.
Greece can do the same. A total default, with Greece's resources could create one heck of a powerful autonomous country.
Say all you want that Greece went into this "eyes open," well, so would the teen. Why is the world so surprised when the now non-teen rebels?
its about how much pain greece is realy feeling. if true reform does not take place then the decay and pain gets greater. the scary thing is if they succeed in supressing the people in pain long enough you can get scary blow back in the form of extremism like the neo-nazi movement and islamic terrorist gaining more people who loose it and go extreme. spreads of beliefs keep widening in society until snap.
So true. A triumph for Extend and Pretend. Syriza may get to fiddle with the edges a bit, but have to continue to stay on the financial drip feed from the Troika and maintain austerity.
The illusion is maintained that all is well in the EU budgetting and financial closets.
"Big govt socialist type govts go hand in hand with banker types."
That's baloney, Greenskeeper_Carl. It's just a meaningless throwaway sentence.
The folding of the Syriza leaders has nothing to do with socialism, but with their mandate. They were elected on a promise: no Grexit.
First thing, the Greeks are left-leaning because they lived under a fascist regime until 1975 (Type "Greek colonels" in your search engine). Under the same circumstances, you would be a left-winger too.
Same thing for Spain, BTW (type "Francisco Franco").
No "big govt" fascination here, just allergy to the right wing.
Secondly, for ages, Greece was a second-rate country. After the EU/euro, they suddenly found themselves admitted at the big boys table on an equal footing, or so they thought. They've got a sort of mental block about letting go of that, so Varoufakis's job bordered on the impossible. You don't change the rules of the game while you are playing. If you are losing, the only way is to stop playing (Grexit), but that, the Greek people doesn't yet understand.
See if they finally get it during those four months. And Spain, which suffers from the same condition, too.
In Europe, right and left wing are both big government socialists. The Nazis were National Socialists. A Volkswagen for every German family. Mandatory vacations. A chicken in every pot. National work programs etc. The Germans under Bismarck were the first to have a national pension. Even the former communist bloc countries are still very socialist. Where's the allergy to the left wing?
The difference between the right and left in Europe is national socialism or international socialism.
+10
now, if you can get the rest of the western world to understand that, we might make some progress
"...now, if you can get the rest of the western world to understand that..."
Huh... Europe? Do they still have that? It's somewhere by France, isn't it?
Where's the allergy to the left wing? I harken back to the pageantry of "hope and change"
Very much this. I have labeled it "European Socialism" on ZH for years now. Ghordo says my term "European Socialism" run by "Eurzis" is crap.
I think you and I are spot on.
"In Europe, right and left wing are both big government socialists. The Nazis were National Socialists. A Volkswagen for every German family. Mandatory vacations. A chicken in every pot. National work programs etc. The Germans under Bismarck were the first to have a national pension. Even the former communist bloc countries are still very socialist. Where's the allergy to the left wing?
The difference between the right and left in Europe is national socialism or international socialism."
perhaps most is just based on a different political vocabulary. I use the classic/international/european terms and you use the terms as they are usual in the American cultural context. some translation:
In Europe, we gererally have an average of seven parties competing for seats in a national parliament. Broadly speaking, we differentiate them in three directions:
social, liberal and conservative. the first two would be the Left and the third the Right, in America, but our liberals are often in the middle/aside of this Left/Right paradigm
Social ranges from social democrats to socialists to internationalist socialists to marxists and even maoists. We call it the Left, and if militantly extreme the Far Left
Liberal ranges from social liberals to national liberals to neoliberal to centrist liberals to anarcho-liberals. Noteworthy: we don't have many of them, though they are very influential
Conservative ranges from nationalists to christian democrats to fascists, etc. We call it the Right, and if militantly extreme the Far Right
note that many parties are between two of those directions, like Social-Conservatives
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and now the thing: the American setup, in our words, would be Republicans: Liberal-Conservatives vs Democrats: Social-Liberal
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in other words: both the US and the UK are fundamentally liberal, from the european perspective, and often confuse liberal issues with conservative or social issues because of this squeeze in two parties
take government size: yes, both socialists and conservatives aren't as vary of Big Gov as liberals. and their extreme wings, i.e. communists and fascists/nazis even less so
nevertheless, the Bismarkian Pension is still a deeply conservative invention, as much as state university education for nearly free and national healthcare... which happen to be supported by the Left
so conservatives agree with socialists on some key issues where liberals don't, and agree with liberals on some key issues where socialists don't, and socialists and liberals agree on some key issues where conservatives don't. this makes our politics fundamentally different from the American ones, and much harder to understand if not used to
Haus, to your term: socialists are often internationalists, in some degree. more or less, all socialist parties in the Progressive_Alliance_of_Socialists_and_Democrats, which includes the German SPD are so. and this means they are willing to extend their vision of socialism beyond their national borders, with appeals to solidarity beyond the national solidarity to which conservatives agree with
but several key things about Europe aren't based on their views, but on liberal-conservative agreements on which they often differ
Fascism is of the Left.
Socialism's sibling.
This. Very well put, Lea.
Exactly!!!
All that shit talking by Greece and they folded?
Greece is the bitch of Europe.
So much for Greek Game Theory. After Monday, if there is no end game, why would Varoufakis want to stick around for four months of humiliation, especially after the solidarity demonstrations in Athens of last week ? Back to teaching or running a Greek Diner for Varoufakis unless Syriza orchestrates mass demonstrations across Greece this weekend and presents the Troika with reforms they may or may not accept. In any case, the voice of the people would be heard as determining their own future This deal is still unsettled and can easily take flight as a EU Black Swan event.
The only way the Greeks get out from under the thumb of the bankers is violence
there's that hope and change bull-fucking-shit. wake up! violence brings real change. simple statagy. i don't like violence but my cog dis is not in conflict about real change.
do you understand? history stands the test of this simple fact.
What's new?
Welcome to the year of the sheep.
I love Greek Toast, and Italian Toast, and Spanish Toast, and Irish Toast, and even French Toast! Soon there's going to be a wholoe ot of toasting going on!
I like flapjacks. It appears that the Greeks have become fond of sticky buns & cream filled horns.
I still wonder how any deal can possibly be worth a fucking piece of shit.
It should be shit deal, no shit deal, another shit deal, no another shit deal, let's talk and conceive another shit deal, where bankers win and everyone else loses.
Really, drinkng a cold beer, why should I give two flying fucks on a shitty greek deal? I can only imagine all the shit deals I've seen there will be more to come.
You can't fix stupid and you can't put humpty dumpty back together again.
Why does yon Kraut look pissed if he's getting the caputlation he wanted?
Uh.....that IS his happy look. His pissed off image is too much even for the internet.
It works for grumpy cat though.
Maybe WilliamBonzai can do a Grumpy Kraut mashup for us?
I was just about to shut down my computer, but instead I simply had to log myself in to upvote your comment.
Thanks. Really made my day! This and the "everything is awesome LEGO version" watched for the 101st time.
Go back to his photographs from 1989, he has the same act on his face, it's part of his 'schtick'.
that's actually a German 'happy-face'. it's a cultural thing...
it isn't today's picture. It's from a few days ago when the two met for the first time.
And he was chewing a wasp at the time.
Last time I saw a face like that was at the Anita Bryant concert.
Last time I saw a mouth like that it had a hook in it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pryPkTwaFVo
Winston, that comment gets funnier, every time I read it. Priceless/ ;-)
Germans only laugh while eating cold cuts and cheese. the farting is also funny.
When is farting not funny though?
it sort of depends on whether the cheese & cold cuts are entering or exiting at the time.
Evidently you have never been in Germany. I live 10 minutes from border of Germany and also lived 6 years in Frankfurt. They know how to laugh and aren't plastic assholes like Yanks.
obviously. you have never formed concrete with a crew of smelly Germans.
No, I only flew as flight engineer with NON smelly intelligent Germans. Everyone smells when working and sweating. Let me guess you were jacking off while they were working.
no. i was working. they drank all night and ate a whole fucking pig.
They ate your wife???
Dutch Boy? gay handle. what would you know about eating pussy?
lol- "flight engineer"- everyone knows that's code for "too stupid to fly the plane, but handy for pilot blowjobs"-
Dude- NO ONE admits they are a "flight engineer"- it's like saying that you're a "domestic engineer".
If you wanna play in this mosh pit, bulk up.
What's your vector Victor?
Ah, the Dutch- net contribution to the world of exactly..... Uh....... Uh..........
Oh yeah- Goldmember.
Pass me some skin, Hans.
If you don't like Germans or Germany, Stay the fuck out of our countries. Just fuck off and stay in your shithole the Useless Snakes of FATASS Americunts.
''Coming from Northern Europe back to the USA is like leaving the Jetsons and returning to the Flintstones''- -- quipped New York Times reporter in 2011.
Listen little Dyke Biatch, we have our foot up your ass. The only thing Northern Europe is good for is a stopover to the cultured capitals of Southern Europe. You shits werent called Barbarians for nothing.
we are all evil and good. we can choose to believe just one part of the trueth but that is a vision we choose.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BbWWT3X8Ebo
they stink and there bossy. plus don't leave you wallet laying around. i don't live in the usa.
Hint: don't quote the NY Times if you want credibility. You'll get a lot more upvotes.
Can't we all just get along?
NO.
Well in Europe it is not possible. The only thing we can get is: People not meddling with each other and not too disrespectful....
Europe is a big family feud .... it always has been and it will never change....
agreed. but holland is 'germanic' and for americans it's just 'german lite'.
I was born in France, spent the first 20 years of my life there. I do not have a good rememberance of the Germans, neither my family, who fought those bastards in WWII in the resistance. I despise the current US gov, but I like infinitely more my good friends I met when I was in the US than the Germans I met. I had fun time with my Yankee friends, there are good people, they just have a terrible moment now, they need a good Ron Paul revolution...
Fuck the Krauts.
I flew freight out of CDG for 2 years. Fuck the Frogs. real assholes. Give me germany ANY DAY.
Fuck the Krauts, they are idiot robots. They always get fucked because they get outsmarted. Too rigid assholes, that is what they are.... Did I say Fuck the Krauts already?
I thought the rubber dogshit came out of Hong Kong (HKG).
First the airplane quote, now top gun? Keep 'em coming!
+1
Alas ~ "Airplane", "Top Gun", plus "Stripes" & "Eraserhead" were the only movies I ever went to see [in theatres]...
They might be "Plastic ass holes" in addition to Yanks but you can bet your ass they call Mr. Yellen "the bearrrr jew", you incredulous bastard.
As I was cruising down the autobahn at 130 mph LEGALLY, I saw an Americunt car with US army plates broke down . Ran out of gas In Germany you get a ticket for stupidity. LOL. Fucking Americunts shit in their pants driving in their crap cars on the autobahn. Hint to Americunts, stay in the fucking far right lane while you are trying to put on make up or read the paper while driving. Otherwise you are DEAD MEAT
Go detail your pimped-out Lada, Hans......
You mean my Audi TDI? LOL, fucktard!!!
Those are nice- I just got my kid one of those for his 16th birthday- cheap and slow, perfect kid car.
Shows how goddam stupid you are., Audi A6 2.5 liter TDI. 6 speed, cruises at 150 mph , getting 35 mpg at that speed in 6th gear. leather seats, Bose sound, heated seats. walnut dash., onboard computer built in GPS. cost 55k Euros. You are embarrassing yourself, Bozo.
If its true, you win.
Yesterday on the Interstate I got passed by a Chevy Cobalt with a spoiler on back painted with a 'Starsky & Hutch' racing stripe. TRUE STORY ~ lol
Then again, I only drive a 1991 Ford F-150 & was hauling a ton of wood at the time (& the NSA didn't know where I was)
then you didnt have your wallet with license or any bank card of any sort. or phone. actually, reports are that the debris from the sky may a marker in our lungs.
correct... no license or, GOD FORBID, 'especially' bank cards or phone... I refuse all... In the past 30 years, I've been stopped only once so I figure WHY THE BOTHER?
LOL- you just listed every feature a Ford Fusion has, minus that ugly-ass grill...
But how does a stewardess afford 55K Euros?
Hey, the dude in 4G needs a softer pillow- chop chop.
Dutch pussy, who cares about Authoban story. Look Germany is a depressing country, you go to Frankfurt and you want to get away as fast you can.... sooo depressing...
Germany might have had a tiny bit of sould in the XIX century, but they are empty now, lost everything in the XXth century. Maybe in 500 years they´ll get a bit of joy. For now Germany is a mutilated Frankenstein patch-up together from too many wars and horrors.
Dude, you're way off.
Not a single place in Germany looks like Detroit, Camden, Bronx or South L.A.
I don't have to tell you why that is.
Well I lived in Philadephia and West Phillie and Camden are just awful, I know.
But compared to Italy or most part of France, the Rhur looks absolutely depressing. And the worst is that the Germans are really unpleasant people, they never smile.
Forest is humid dark and then houses with wooden structure look spooky around Frankfurt. Hamburg in the north is kind of ok... but that is not Menton (South of France city which is really pretty). The worst is the people.... People in Scandinavia are much well tempered and welcoming.
Schauble making a face is just a typical German. Unpleasant fellow.
You can´t find a place open after 7 pm in most places in Germany unlike the South of Europe...
walkure - looks are decieving. looks are superficial. that's exactly what SOUL means. doesn't mean what you look like outside, you gots' to have it in you.
and you german's ain't got it. ain't gonna get it. soul is soul.
when you got's soul, you don't need no education. you don't need no job. cause, you got's it all.
you guys are NEVER going to win the olympic basketball game. never. you just ain't got no twerp, swagger, or boogie. gots' to get you some boogie. it's good. obama likes boogie too. europe gave him medals for it.
suckers. you still under the thumb.
All car, no pussy.
AUDI POS, you mean, everyone I have known with a German car has had problems. The Korean and Japanese cars are much much better you little sour kraut.
Asian car says something about the owner. Lack of style or lack of money or both.
you know the designer who designed the audi a3, designed the mazda 3, then he designed the ford focus. by the way see the new honda nsx
http://www.stuff.co.nz/motoring/news/66396352/hondas-nsx-supercar-for-nz...
german cars are not meant to last, they come out of the gates fast but they dont finish the race.
german cars are driven by dick heads. asswipes on self estem trips. looky here i'm special. yea, sure, had one on my ass on ice at 60 today - so also stupid fucks too...
Oh yeah an Audi? I raise you my Proton Jumbuck bitch, that's how I roll.
audi, great fucking car-at 75k, 600 to fix window, hmmm-same mileage, electrical or electronics/both 1500 gone. nice, i want one of those. resale horse shit because of cost of ownership. idiots buy an audi or beemer. or got money to throw out the window as they drive, ha...
130 mph? What was wrong with the car?
Pretty sure those "mph" figures are false
more like kph
kilometeres per hour (.61 mph) are marked on european speedometers, even on an audi, as I recall. Of course one has to drive one to know that.
I want to go to Germany just to drink liters of lager from das boot. And maybe sink a weinerschnitzel into busty beer wench or three.
My German grandmother drives 160 mph on the autobahn and she told me a long time ago to never shake hands with a Dutch.
She said they scrimp on toilet paper by wiping their ass soilage with their fingers and then use a single square of tissue to wipe the fingers... "Dear, those are not nicotine stains."
The comments following this post lead into when of the best digressions I have seen in a while. I think this is how wars in Europe get started.
regrettably, no. the wars are not the work of regular people.
ah ZH gotta keep hits coming right? ;) Greece is dead and buried. No point in assuming anything else.
Well, they can always ask Putin...
Or, Putin could just take it. Not like anyone can stop him.
We're busy blowing up pick up trucks.
Greece, just bought themselves a little time.
The Russian State Duma has ratified the $100 billion BRICS bank that’ll serve as a pool of money for infrastructure projects in Russia, Brazil, India, China and South Africa, and challenge the dominance of the Western-led World Bank and the IMF.
http://rt.com/business/234027-russia-ratifies-brics-bank/
LOL- funny, I ratified my own bank for those same projects- in a year, I have no doubt that Duma and I will have made the same progress.....
Bingo!
And maybe not even needed from what yanis said about troika accepting Greek points Monday. They keep playing EU like chumps to the end, as well as the media. I don't know what inspires a drink more this Friday evening.
awesome, our first customer- greece, broke...
They can apply for a $5bn CIA grant. It comes with free cookies.
Obama can kick all hier asses lmao
Sarc
Obama would lick all of their asses I agree .....Obama LMAO.....Lix Man Ass Only
Mooch has wang?
Slick Willie played the SAX, Barry plays the TROMBONE.