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Peace? Ukraine "Preparing For Full-Scale War" With Russia, Demands The West Supply Lethal Weapons
"We don't want to scare everybody, but we are preparing for full-scale war," warns Vadym Prystaiko - Ukraine's deputy foreign minister - telling CBC during a stunning interview that "what we expect from the world is that the world will stiffen up in the spine a little." Demanding that West provide 'lethal weapons' Prystaiko rages "everybody is afraid of fighting with a nuclear state. We are not anymore." Coming just a week after the Minsk Summit 'peace' deal and with Germany having warned they are likely unable to stop arms being supplied to Ukraine, Prystaiko concludes, "we would like [The West] to send lethal weapons to Ukraine... weapons to allow us to defend ourselves."
Ukraine's deputy foreign minister says he is preparing for "full-scale war" against Russia and wants Canada to help by supplying lethal weapons and the training to use them.
Vadym Prystaiko, who until last fall was Ukraine's ambassador to Canada, says the world must not be afraid of joining Ukraine in the fight against a nuclear power.
In an interview with CBC Radio's The House airing Saturday, Prystaiko says the ceasefire brokered by Germany and France was not holding.
"The biggest hub we ever had in the railroad is completely destroyed and devastated," he told host Evan Solomon about Debaltseve, captured by Russian-backed rebels after the terms were to have taken effect earlier this week.
"We see that they are not stopping," he says, suggesting the fight was now heading south to the port of Mariupol.
"It doesn't take a genius to see what they are trying to do.… They are taking more and more strategic points."
The former ambassador was in the room during the attempts to broker a political solution with Russian President Vladimir Putin in Minsk.
"Personally I don't trust him," he says. "You look at him and you think, 'Are you serious?'"
"Nobody knows what is going on in his head. I believe he is becoming very emotional [over the two countries' historic ties]," he suggests, calling Putin's intentions "difficult to predict."
Prystaiko echoes the view German Chancellor Angela Merkel is said to have expressed to U.S. President Barack Obama privately a year ago: "He is rational in his own way. He is in some parallel universe ... and he sees differently than everyone else."
'We have to do something'
"The stakes are really high," Prystaiko says, pointing out that Ukraine has now closed its border crossing with Russia. "We don't want to scare everybody, but we are preparing for full-scale war."
What to do in the face of such a threat? For starters, get over your fears, he says.
"What we expect from the world is that the world will stiffen up in the spine a little," he says. "Everybody is afraid of fighting with a nuclear state. We are not anymore, in Ukraine — we've lost so many people of ours, we've lost so much of our territory.
"However dangerous it sounds, we have to stop [Putin] somehow. For the sake of the Russian nation as well, not just for the Ukrainians and Europe."
Prystaiko says Ukrainians are blunt when it comes to what they need.
"We would like Canada to send lethal weapons to Ukraine," he said. "Weapons to allow us to defend ourselves."
Canada has been helping to train Ukrainian soldiers for the last decade, but it isn't enough, he says.
"It wasn't on the level that would help our army [against an] invasion."
Ukraine wants weapons, and training to use them, he said.
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But he doesn't hold back from calling on Ukraine's Western allies to step up, echoing the frustration he expressed last November over Canada's willingness to intervene in Iraq but not send troops to help Ukraine.
"I was quite blunt... and probably it was premature at that point but now I have to ask again: If we see the same sort of rebels coming towards central Ukraine, towards other cities, how much is different from what we see in Iraq and the international help which was coming?"
"Unfortunately, we will probably pose a very serious question for the rest of the world: How can we react to this new challenge? We haven't had it for 50 years in Europe. Now it's back again."
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This coming just a week after the Minsk Summit deal and further to Putin's warnings that "if Kiev seeks a military solution, war will never end," it appears Ukraine has gone from bad to worse to worst possible scenario as proxy war tensions mount.
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Effin' politicians always gambling with everyone elses lives. They have their bunkers and food. We get the fallout. Bastards!
To Kiev!
we are preparing for full-scale war," ..., "everybody is afraid of fighting with a nuclear state. We are not anymore." ..."we would like [The West] to send lethal weapons to Ukraine... weapons to allow us to defend ourselves."
Maybe it's just me...
Poroshenko tried to get the EU involved as 'peacekeepers' in the Ukraine.
The EU's response - ahhhh, NO. :
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.ca/2015/02/the-eu-says-no-thanks-to-poroshenko.html
So Canada and the USSA need to arm the Ukraine, Why? How is this our fight? Do we need to risk nuclear war to satisfy the sick Kiev puppet psychopaths?
Many to become cannon fodder. Anyone seen Henry?
Why don't you Ukrainians put your fucking guns down and go sort this shit out...before you are all dead.
Maybe these guys should go to a full-scale war with Russia... First of all, it won't last very long. 2 weeks max. Also, every time these morons started any sort of an offensive move, they lost. And, they have this special talent of losing big. So, chances are that when they'll start a "full-scale war", they'll lose everything... quickly !
CBC is one of the WORST propaganda networks in the world. They are constantly telling lies in the hopes of rallying the nation. This interview fits right in with their propaganda and lies that the network consistently distributes. It is wholly owned by the government too (a crown corporation), which says it all.
Don't expect anything objective.
"The people who live there have destroyed our rail hub in Debetsalvo, and taken control.
You see how this is going.
It must be stopped.
We need weapons and training to kill them.
Putin is in some parallel universe where this shit is OK.
Scared enough yet?"
Putin's universe or the IMF Bankster Globalist ass kissing universe?
Oh yes, and fuck nauseating, patronizing agenda setting state subsidized CBC
Sez here he's a wife beater ~ lol
Putin ‘Beat Ex-Wife and Had Secret Facelift’
http://www.newsweek.com/putin-beat-ex-wife-and-had-secret-facelift-explo...
"The documentary, Putin the Man, aired earlier this week on ZDF television. The show’s makers apparently obtained access to previously unseen files by an unidentified Western intelligence agency"
Is that the famous "Yellowcake" Western intelligence agency?
All governments lie instinctively because they are made up of pathological liars. So what you have to understand is that our government is our enemy and their government is their enemy.
They need arms to sell them for money, that would be a very stupid move by the West.
Now that would truly be a free shit army
+1000 where's the IMF with their International EBT&W (weapons) cards?
It is way past time for some of these clowns to be disappeared.
I gotta admit, it would be fun to see how fast Kiev could get a couple of companies of light armor to cover the 500 miles from the Ukraine border to Moscow and attack into the city. 18 hours starting under cover of darkness? But seriously, the West is war fatigued. This is all right next door to the Germans, so IMHO they should take the lead for the West. If they don't want to get involved, then sorry non-NATO Eastern Europe, you're on your own. But far be it for the US, Canada or any other nation to fly their weapons over Germany on the way to defend Eastern Europe. If Germany won't step up, then Putin can basically have whatever he wants and the only question becomes, what does Putin see as the end game there and how can we all get there as quickly and bloodlessly as possible. As for Poland and other NATO countries, now that's a different story...
ok hands up - who's not russian or russain immigrant.....?
Ukraine: Its a Heist! Excellent summary of political drivers behind USSA regime change in Kiev.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68RErgHOzN8
Ah well, so much for peace behind the lines...
02.22 Terror Attack in Kharkiv, Ukraine 2 Dead 15 Wounded (Video)Another crude Ukie attempt to create a false flag, to blame on Putin, so that Russia can be declared a supporter of terrorism. Notice how the Ukies have already declared Russia guilty within 6 hours without any investigation or evidence. Russia gains nothing from lighting off a bomb to kill 2 minor activists. Meanwhile the Ukraine gets to declare Kharkov under martial law.
If Russia wants the Ukraine, it will take it regardless of NATO's bleatings.
the false flag fuckwits are back.
The Ukes already sold the 8 armoured vehicles the UK just gave them.
unconscionable bullshit from the unconscionable bullshitter
seems the peace prize winner, has decided to re invade Iraq in preparation for the mother of all battles at MOZUL...he has no time or equipment to send to ukraine, sorry bad timing.
Because nobody could have predicted that Balkanization in say....2001.
Ha, spoken like a true Canadian.
Rail hub is damaged, not close to destroyed.
but still under Ukr artillery fire, as is civilians and in area including Donetsk also
this from near location reliable source
how much territory will we get for the weapons?
The Ukes had best hope we provide them with Ohio class subs, stealth bombers, nukes and more because in this conventional war, they are getting their asses kicked. Here's a sad example:
Videos from a Real War Zone: Graphic Before and After of a Ukrainian Unit Alive then DeadSomehow, even the suggestion of providing "the Crazies" with this type of hardware is tantamount to "pressing the big red button" starting a very nuclear WW3.
Whilst you might have a closet death wish, most of the rest of us dont! ;-)
Parrot, sarcasm. Try it some day.
Johngaltfla, I watched the before/after video of the firefight. It was piteous to look at the youth of Ukraine oblivious to the danger and utterly unaware that their lives were over. This video should be forced watching for every loser employee at the vile US State Department ( redundant, I know ) especially the degenerate skank Nuland/Nudelman. All of them have the blood of those boys on their hands.
If former Secretary of State Madelline Albright can justify the slaughter of ONE HALF MILLION IRAQI INFANTS, between the ages of 0 to 5 years old, as being "worth it", then you can just imagine that if she were to watch this video it will have no affect whatsoevr upon her. Thus it will have no affect upon the rest of these psychopaths.
Presidential Administrations may come and Presidential Administrations may go but the bureaucratic entrenchment of the State Department staff still remains working and working towards evil ends. Many of the current crew were hired by the psychopath, Albright, during her administration of the State Department the 1990s as well as Colin Powell afterwards..
Nuland just worked herself up through the ranks, during the Clinton years and Bush years, and has the same heart of ice cold stone as Madelline Albright.
This is the reason why there is absolutely no hope for any change. Administrative Law has trumped Constitutional Law mas none of thefounders had the foresight to understand thebehemoth beast into which our Government would grow.
Even well intentioned politicians, far and few between, may end up fighting the beast, and lose, as new Government Laws are resisted and routinely ignored. During Congressional investigations the Representatives and Senators are stonewalled by uncooperative adminstrators with personal agendas.
THERE ARE NO POLITICAL SOLUTIONS. The Greeks have just rediscovered, that anybody whom places their faith into ANY Government is just setting themselves up for a bitter disappointment.
When will we all figure that out?
Sad video. A very, very sad video. They had hope of breaking out of their encirclement from Eastern Ukraine troops, and that their Government would send troops to save them. Well they are not disappointed any longer now. They are dead.
Will we have to be dead, also, before we understand this?
"And it hurts my brain to think of all the stupid things I've said. If I could change the future I would change the past instead."~ Danny Elfman...Oingo Boingo..."Change"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJZUAnCuQuY
The only thing that will stop these psychos is skin in the game - their skin.
correction:our skin vs their skin.
see, the media is the state, the cabel of cartel banksters is the mic.
any doubt about who our enemy is? simple facts. conflict is the only hope and change i can embrace, as else is can kicking of continued statist control by the bankster cartel backed by violence...
no diatribe needed.
Putin wants to reconstitute Russia into the failed Soviet Union's 'glory days'.
So what?? We all lived just fine here even when the USSR was alive and well. And they controlled not just Ukraine but a lot of other countries as well. Rememeber when they tried to put nukes in Cuba?? Everyone almost died. Why are we trying to put weapons on Russia's doorstep?? Sorry Ukraine.SSR, I'm not willing to risk nuclear annihilation of everyone for you.
If you don't like it, move to the U.S. we are looking for more taxpayers/slaves.
Zero Hedge readers purport to be in favor of free market and free societies. Vladimir Putin has no such freedoms in mind.
"So what?" You've just answered your own question.
Thank you, sir, but no, I do taste fantasy. It is simply that even by US citizen standards (and one knows how US citizen standards are low) your fantasy is poor.
Zero Hedge readers purport to be in favor of free market and free societies.
Yes. That is true.
And I also am in favor of allowing a person, or even an entire society, to choose their own enslavement if that is what they desire. They have the freedom to even choose enslavement.
Just do not attempt to enforce enslavement upon me. I reserve all rights to self defense from aggression. That will be an aggressive action to take if you attempted it.
But you are not one who is a proponent of personal liberty, are you?
I'm sorry, you have mistaken this site for ZeroFudge.com
the mission is reconstruction of the soviet union in case anyone had any doubts
Putin saw the failure and collapse of the Soviet Union from the inside. He was a high-ranking KGB officer, remember? Then he brutalized his way to the top of the Russian Mob in Leningrad during the chaotic aftermath of the collapse, in the Yeltsin kleptocracy. Why on Earth would Putin reconstruct what he personally saw fail so completely? Sentimentality is not a trait commonly attributed to Putin.
To say Putin is trying to construct a modernized Russian Empire would be a reasonable thing to say, and we could discuss it. But that doesn't push the fear-buttons people assume American respond to in Pavlovian fashion when on says "Soviet Union," right? Over the past 1,000 years and more, that entity has been the USSR for about 70 years, and the Russian Empire for over 930. But only Russia's immediate neighbors have ever been afraid of the Russian Empire, so for psy-ops purposes, "USSR" and "Soviet Union" must be used, eh? A back-and-forth discussion is not only not the point, but is to be avoided at all costs, with name-calling keeping anyone wanting to engage frustrated and at arms-length. Your handlers have a simple-minded and unsophisticated strategy.
Never go full retard, retard.
Never waste good advice on stupid cats...
Dear Rentboy: We cancelled the newspaper subscription many years ago. Stop coming around trying to sell your sorry arse to my gay great uncle.
PS: welcome to Fight Club - Bitch!
Ah, Newsboy, that's an excellent recitation performance. You regurgitated every currently active talking point in the repertoire of the US of A official narrative on the Ukraine.
Except one.
You failed to emphasize the key trigger words which must, via continuous repetition, be burned into the unconscious mind of the audience: Russian Aggression©. They need to remember, without thinking, that this is a proven, verified Russian invasion.
Remember that, while the details of the news are unimportant, the details of the narrative are of critical importance.
Nevertheless, you have potential. If you stay focused on your work as a news repeater, you may be able to break into the big league of presstitution.
PS: Here's a little helpful tip. The 'Putin is the new Hitler' talking point is just about due to be placed back into active rotation. Be ready for it.
More weapons?
"Ukraine exported major conventional arms worth $1.344 billion in 2012 becoming the fourth largest arms exporter in the world, according to the data published by Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI)."
No comment
More weapons?
"Ukraine exported major conventional arms worth $1.344 billion in 2012 becoming the fourth largest arms exporter in the world, according to the data published by Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI)."
No comment
Agreed. The Canadian Broadcasting Corporation pushes a steady, nauseating stream of propaganda along various lines. If you want to fill your head with shit, watch CBC. (Their website is just as bad, and if you deviate from the party line in the comments area, your material is quickly removed.)
The Government of Canada no longer represents the people of Canada on the international stage. There does not appear to be any credible political leadership among any parties in Ottawa. Something happened to Prime Minister Harper about 2 1/2 years ago. All he does now is peddle authorized BS narratives. The behavior of the federal Conservative Party is a national embarrassment.
This Prystaiko is apparently unaware that his Banderan Nazist regime has already deployed cluster bombs and white phosphorus against civilians in the Donbass. (See videos of victims at the usual blog sites, but certainly not the CBC.) Mr. Prystaiko: WHO SUPPLIED THOSE MUNITIONS, AND HOW IS THAT "DEFENDING YOURSELF?"
It doesn't seem to be worse than CNN, mind you...
Politicans always find it easy to bleed with other peeples blood.
WHO SUPPLIED ALL THIS STUFF?
US Electronic Equipment Abandoned By Deserting Ukrops In Debaltseve
Biden brought it with him last visit. CyberBerkut have released details. Three sets of LCMR were brought in. Serial 369 was valued at about $120,000. The Novorossians have also got themselves a HMMV to transport it too.
To be fair, Global is way worse.
The perfect American rebroadcaster.
Just look at history and decide whether attacking Russia is a good idea.
Never seems to have worked out well before.
Different this time?????
PTI,
@ angel_of_joy...'Also, every time these morons started any sort of an offensive move, they lost.'...especially considering low paid or no paid conscripts makes for awfull soldiers...wouldn't be surprise at the number of so called Kiev forces casualties are really conscripts shot for attempted desertion....
It would seem that these worthless idiots feel they have nothing to lose.
They may have a valid point on that one. The fools.
Whenever one thinks there is nothing to lose, there is always something he forgot about... usually, his life.
Or kids life, or grandkids life.
Ukrainians don't understand one thing: They are not the belly button of the world.
We are getting in bed with the counterfeiting, pimping Western Ukrainian government/mafia because?
Wolfowitz Doctrine...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfowitz_Doctrine
You are thinking of the wrong part of the anatomy. Here is the most accurate map of Ukraine.
http://f3.mylove.ru/3ciC3YIS1mfOiRf.jpg
Because Ukraine isn't run by Ukrainians anymore. The US have big plans for the Ukraine agriculture. Monsanto want Ukraine to harvest their deadly toxic crops and export them to Europe and the Israelis are doing a roaring trade trafficking Human organs.
They did not sign the cease fire agreement.
The "Nobel" refuses to seek peace.
If the vote was given to people in East Ukraine, they would vote between 75% and 90% to leave Kiev ruled Ukraine. Soviet Communism set borders to satisfy communist ideology, not natural borders. Thus Ukraine was given rule over Donbass and Crimea, all Russian for over 300 years. Also the Nazi city of Lvov and it's region Glaicia were added by Stalin to Ukraine when it was stolen from Poland in 1939. Rigth there the communist Stalin created a fake nation, Ukraine. Ukraine was never a nation, after the USSR died, instead of making borders fit desires and ethnic identity of the people, Kiev was given all kinds of people and lands that have never had anything to do with a Ukrainian State.
This is all historical fact. And it's too bad for those who don't like it. Lvov is a fascist stronghold, and openly Nazi, the countryside of Galicia is openly Nazi. They want to be part of the German run EU. I say let them! The entire east. Including Kharkov and all the Donbass is Russian, and wants to join Russia. Let them, they have already voted to leave Kiev.
So why is there a war? Because the USA and NATO want a Lvov controlled Ukrainian state. German run. Trust me, the people in the east will die fighting before they accept rule by Lvov and it's Glacian Nazi legions. The Kiev Junta is made up of these same wester Ukrainian fascists. The USA backs them as their best hope to rule all of Ukraine with a Nazi minority supported by Western Arms to use force to capture Russian Ukraine. I.E. the East.
War is for one reason only. Washington paid 5 billion to raise the Nazi legions of Lvov and Galicia, plus the ultra nationalist Kiev movement. In fact, over 40% of Kiev votes pro Russian every election. So even the Junta home does not have more than 60% support, the futher east you go, the more this Junta support drops off.
Russia did not start any war, Washington Did! It is a fact the fascists can't admit, but they do know that Washington funded the Nazis for decades, and even Mossad ran a Nazification training program for over 20 years in Lvov and across Galicia.
Simply google Galicia/ Lvov. Even honest historical records will show you that these lands were part of Nazi Germany in spirit, and fought for Germany in the World War Two.
WWII ended ... 70 years ago ... the people who fought it are 99% dead, infirm, senile and have no teeth, so peanuts are out. Not likely to come barreling over a hedge at you with a Panzerschreck ... we are actually in a different century now ... been to Mars and all ... time flies huh?
Evolution doesn't "fly" though.
some peoples still remember what happened in the past and have consciousness of their history. Unlike in Western Europe, where political correctness has taken root and history is something to condemn yourself with.
@Element: NAZISM IS ALIVE AND WELL. (Zionism too.)
Ukraine Crisis: Death and Destruction (2014)
Armed territorial conquest by Russia and Russian fifth-columns certainly is.
The rest of the ranting hyper-blather Jack goes on with seems to be a result of ingesting too many fiction novels, causing catastrophic mental gastric reflux, combined with one-eyed jaundice and a total loss of balance and perspective, from a sick mind swimming in concoction of myths and fairy tales about the neo-nazi zombie menace under his bed.
Fact: the largest aggregation of known Neo-Nazi groups in the world today is in ...
R U S S I A !
Deny the material reality of that and the armed military attack by Russia all that you want, but even a moron should be able to see that Putin's actions will definitely result in at least several million dead Russians.
Show me a Nazi parade in Red Square, and then you can be taken seriously.
You need your eyes opened on this? Really? How come? Type something like this into any search engine: "Russian Skin Head neo-nazi race hate gangs in Russia"
Just a quick sample of the first page of results
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Skinhead Russia
http://www.stopracism.ca/content/skinhead-russia
Russian teenage skinhead gang jailed for 19 racist murders
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/3777299/Russian-...
Russia's racist skinheads terrorise foreigners
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/russias-racist-skinheads-terrorise-for...
Racism in Russia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_Russia
Russia neo-Nazis jailed for life over 27 race murders
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-14122320
White power skinhead
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_power_skinhead
Neo-Nazism
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neo-Nazism
List of neo-Nazi organizations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_neo-Nazi_organizations
Russia
Nope! No nasty Nazi's nowhere!
Horrific Documentary on Russian Neo Nazis Part 1 & 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLUxuq-E9yA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuOVgx3Zh6E
Russia-neo-Nazi gangs in Moscow
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUNv010Jf1I
Heck, look yourself:
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Russian+nazi+skin+heads
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"But honestly! ... I just didn't know! ... no, really! ... OK, ... so maybe I'm a little bit thick then ... it can happen!"
Eyes wide shut
Since you are googling around, try search on "America Nazi". Something called American Nazi Party comes at the top. Plenty of other entries for your viewing pleasure. So, what is your point? You can dig the shit out everywhere you care to look. However, those fringe elements are not in power positions (at least not openly), while in Kiev they rule. Eyes wide shut indeed.
The questioner wanted evidence of Nazi groups in Russia.
I provided it, and I was just scratching the surface, it took me about 1 minute to locate that.
You are fruitlessly trying to deflect and make dismal dumb excuses for the fact that Russia is known to be filled to the gills with twisted racist Nazi mega-cunts. They admit that that's exactly what they are and they make no apology for it. They are 100% proud of being fascist violent ultra-nationalist belligerent hate-filled cunts, with evil intents, and wicked desires, and plans for arm takeover and conquest.
They, and the thoroughly brainless duped morons like you are saying, "Oh look! Look over there, at them, ew! ... they is so Evil!"
If Ukraine really is so full of Nazis, and fascists are running the show, given Fascism is a philosophy of state aggression to achieve state policy ends, it would be a really good idea not to invade them, steal their navy, steal their air bases, steal their army bases, and invade them some more - right?
Kinda invites wholesale unlimited extermination of the invader until they're gone from the borders.
Being an idiot and in farcical attempted denial of an openly admitted mass-movement of the vilest activities of neo-Nazism in Russia is not an admirable or credibility-inducing quality.
jus sayin
LOL, naughty, naughty Element makes me laugh heartedly with his: "If Ukraine really is so full of Nazis, and fascists are running the show, given Fascism is a philosophy of state aggression to achieve state policy ends, it would be a really good idea not to invade them, steal their navy, steal their air bases, steal their army bases, and invade them some more - right?"
anyway, +1, the whole of Europe has it's share of racist Nazis and violent ultra-nationalist belligerent fascists
in this, the propaganda hate that Jack Burton is giving forth, like considering whole cities in Western Ukraine "Nazis" is really beneath him
it is a conflict between to Nations. the Ukrainian and the Russian. which happen to be represented by several manifestations of National Will, from official states to partisans to belligerent partisans, and which are in conflict about national borders
both sides have their fascists, both sides have their nazis. but for propaganda purposes, the Great Patriotic War Against Nazism as a template is very strong, hence used. Note the use of Soviet and Communist symbols in all pro-Russian districts in what is being re-called NovoRussiya, btw. Sometimes, powerful symbols are just that: insignia, battleflags
if Saint George would not be the Patron Saint of both Nations, he'd be trotted out too, as a powerful symbol of National Unity Against Aggression
heh, devil's advocate was loooong overdue. ;-)
You are the one deflecting. Since you like Google, try search on "Kiev Nazi parade". There are plenty of photos and videos for those denying the obvious. I yet to see Nazi parade in Red Square with the exception of WW2 german prisoners marches. Do you propose non-americans judge us by the number of serial killers and other violent individuals that America is known to be filled to the gills with? Don't have selective vision. If you are so anti-Nazi, then you must recognize that Ukraine is very sick with that desease. It is not like they are trying to hide it very hard. Just open your eyes and stop repeating MSM meme that Putin is the new Hitler and Russia is behind all the crap in the world. Develop some critical thinking perhaps? American government never lied to you? Really?
If Russia is the enemy, why are the ukrainians fleeing to Russia?
our grreat leader peace be upon him, mulatto in chief, is also stopping his reduction of troops in afgan, well well mozul iraq and now afgan also ramping up, no time for ukraine unless you get isis in ukraine fast don't count on USA for help..unless we get hillery to send in the amazon's on her staff. give her a call, worked in libya.
Exactly right. While many countries have Nazi type fridge groups, only in the Ukraine are Nazis mainstream parties helping govern the country.
If the Ukraine didn't have Nazis in the coup government saying things like "exterminate the Russian filth" then maybe the Russian majority portions of the Ukraine would not have felt the need to defend themselves from extermination by revolting. Just sayin.
It's always the same outcome when the US come calling, Vietnam,Iraq,Afghanistan,Pakistan,Libya,Syria, now Ukraine.DEATH and RUBBLE.
Executioners cant be heroes.
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Quiite so, Jack. I've been wondering about the Polish government's position on this one. Sure, they hate the Russians. But they might hate Banderist Ukrainians even more. It would be difficult for many Poles to decide whether to more strongly oppose the rise to power of Ukrainian Nazis, or expansion of Russian territory or influence. Could that be Uncle Sam's wallet, tipping the scale?
Yes, you are so right. In trying to study the Polish position, the official Polish position is very anti Russian, almost to hysterical levels. While Poles were victims of Lvov's Nazi legions in World War II, they seem willing to overlook the Bandera clans if they help push a strong anti Russian agenda.
Poland is the one country who has benefited most from the post war settlement imposed by Stalin. Poland got half of Germany and took it over kicking out Germans and moving in Poles. Poland is very large and independent, free, and NATO protected. But this is not enough, they will risk it all it seems, because war in the east always devestates Poland.
This whole anti-terrorist game since early 2000's or maybe 1989 has really suited Poland. Heck they are growing at 4%. "Moar woar next doar," Tusk.
Why? More profits to feed the greed ot the U.S. Military Industrial Complex.
"We are not concerned with going to war with a nuclear armed enemy . . . because (1) if the government collapses, our ass is in big trouble and (2) we are completely insane."
Yep, thinking you can receive weapons and training in their use before the well-trained Russian army rolls over you like a speedbump is fucking nuts.
The US/EU/NATO coup in Ukaine was intended to: (1) drive a wedge between the EU and Russia; (2) take over Ukaine's territory for NATO and the EU; (3) kick Russia out of its Black Sea base in Crimea; (4) let NATO install missile and anti-missile batteries up to Russia's western border with Ukraine; (5) take control of the northern Black Sea for military and oil and gas resources; (6) cut off trade between Ukraine and Russia; (7) take control of the pipelines from Russia to Europe that run through Ukraine and thus threaten the supply of natural gas to Europe and Russia's income from that gas; and (8) let Chevron and Exxon-Mobil frack Ukraine's oil and gas fields. The EU would get more markets, Ukraine's mineral resources, and farmland. Joe Biden's son Hunter got a cut of the domestic gas market. George Soros, Kolomoisky, Poroshenko, and other oligarchs would get to be the new US-backed Czars of Ukraine.
The coup in Ukraine was part of the USA grand strategy to take control of oil and gas deliveries to Europe, cut Russia out of the markets as much as possible, and keep oil and gas sales to Europe in the US Petrodollar. As long as World oil and gas sales are made in US Dollars, the value of the Dollar and its position as World Reserve Currency are maintained.
The pipeline routes necessary for this strategy run through from the Middle East and Central Asia through Lebanon, Syria, Iraq and Turkey, but Syria and Lebanon stand in the way. Syria prefers its ally Iran, and has agreed to a pipeline from Iran through Syria to Turkey. The South Stream pipeline proposed by Russia would have allowed gas deliveries to bypass the troublesome Ukraine route, so the US persuaded the EU to block it, and to prefer the Nabucco line (Nabucco died in 2013 when insufficient supplies were available to justify building it). The US was ready to invade Syria, depose Assad, and put in a puppet, but Putin undermined the US plan and the US had to turn to the Free Syrian Army and then ISIS in attempts to unseat Assad. The US also planned to create a new US-allied Free Kurdistan state out of parts of Iraq and Turkey. To further weaken Iranian influence in Iraq, part of Iraq would be turned into Sunni Iraq. This would break up the Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon "Shiite Crescent" which presents a political and ideological rival to Saudi Arabia and which wants to eliminate the US Petrodollar.
Turkey has had to deal with a rebellion by the Kurds in eastern Turkey where it borders Iraq, and has a hatred of the Assad regime in Syria because the current Assad's father gave sanctuary to the leaders of the Kurdish rebellion from 1983 onward. Thus Turkey has been fighting against the US-allied Kurds in Syria.
The coup in Ukraine was sparked as a counter to Russia blocking the removal of Assad in Syria, and as part of the larger strategy to control the Black Sea and oil and gas delivery routes to Europe. Russia staged a counter-move when it joined Crimea to Russia and blocked the US/EU/NATO takeover. The US went on a propaganda war and heated up the Cold War to try to force Russia to give in to the attempt to take over Ukraine and the EU oil and gas markets.
The US/EU/NATO bloc used the Russian-hating western Ukrainians (and innocent Ukrainian nationalist students as dupes) as well as CIA, State Department operatives, and Polish mercenaries to stage the Maidan uprising and coup of February 22, 2014. The western Ukrainian ultra-nationalist (read "neo-Nazi) Svoboda and Pravy Sektor parties are the backbones of the new Kiev government and the new National Guard (said to be funded by the multibillionaire Kolomoisky). An "NGO" funded by Geroge Soros is said to have had a large part of the destabilizing of the ousted Ukrainian government, and Soros has been among the loudest in calling for more US military support of Kiev.
The first day the new puppet government was in power in Kiev, it passed a law outlawing the use of the Russian language in education and government. The Russian-speaking people of east Ukraine, which had been the power base of the ousted PM Yanukovich, declared that they would separate from Ukraine and join Russia, so Kiev declared war on the eastern Ukrainian separatist Republics of Donetsk and Lugansk. The Kiev armed forces and National Guard have been soundly defeated by the Separatists, and have twice been forced to agree to peace agreements in Minsk - Minsk 1 and the new Minsk 2. Kiev does not want to abide by either, and so their war hawks again want to rearm and reorganize the Kiev forces and have another go at the separatists. Kiev and NATO have repeatedly cried that Russia is arming and fighting alongside the Separatists, but has been unable to provide any evidence, and the NATO-aligned OSCE observers on the battlefields have repeatedly said that they have seen no Russian involvement.
NATO seeks more importance and bigger budgets in Europe, and has been partly successful, moving more troops and equipment into former Soviet states on Russia's western border, but NATO wants MOAR! So NATO military leaders keep preaching that Russia is about to invade Europe. If the US/EU/NATO mob can get Russia to intervene with military forces in Ukraine, that will justify a military buildup by the mob, and maybe even missile strikes against Russia and Russia's bases in Crimea and Syria.
The USA, its grand strategy being upset by Russia taking Crimea, by Russia persuading Turkey to ally itself with Russia to be the new transit route for Russian natural gas to Europe, and by Kiev's losing Donetsk and Lugansk to separatists, is desperate for some other way to bring Russia to heel - hence the economic sanctions and oil-price war against Russia and the crash of the Ruble. But Putin and Russia are defying the West and strengthening strategic ties with Iran, Syrai, Egypt, Central Asia, China, the BRICS, and members of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, while they all push to dethrone the Petrodollar. War hawks like McCain push for arms sales to Ukraine. The Ukraine Freedom Support Act provides for $350 Million in arms for Ukraine, and for propaganda funding for Radio Free Europe.
Ironically, the Separatists say their best sources for military supplies and equipment are from materiele abandoned on the battlefields by Kiev's forces, and purchase of arms from the corrupt oligarchs in the Kiev government. A recent report out of the UK states that military vehicles donated recently to Kiev by the UK government are already listed for sale on a Kiev website.
As for Canada, the government recognizes that there is a large voting bloc in Canada of Ukrainian and Hungarian descent who are very strongly anti-Russian, and who clamour for moves against Russia in Ukraine. Thus Canada's moves in support of Kiev are all about firming up domestic political support in Canada.
So, the cries for armaments deliveries to Ukraine are all about the USA's strategy to maintain the status of the US Dollar, US hegemony over oil and gas supplies to Europe, and Canada's internal politics. Russia has regained enough strength after the meltdown of the USSR in 1989-1991 to again stand up to the US as the sole Superpower, and the US is doing its best to cement its position of World domination before its economy and Dollar collapse.
Best overview of key political drivers that I've read this week....+100
I'd go so far as to say there's a touch of genius at work to combine so many salient points in such a brief space.
Copied and saved.
Well done, Al.
The deserves to be reposted everywhere. With your permission, I'll share on FB.
Flattery will always win out. Thank you. Go ahead with sharing.
It is the well known solution to massive financial problems in the US/UK. Play the good old "let's you and him fight" gambit. It has worked pretty well up to now. However, unlike the western numbskulls, Putin knows history and has learned from it.
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Time grows short to move away from major population centers in America....we will not be spared from the doom of nuclear war
Don't forget to stay upwind from all of the cooling ponds too. Unless you're confident that the TLC they require will continue 24/7/365 after this very brittle society gets nuked.
You're way too optimistic. Die instantly or die of the aftereffects is what you're offering. Only place to move would be out of the US and where to i'm not sure. Nuclear winter won't discriminate.
understand this shit talk. but what is real is the escalation. question to in a comment is: when has putin had enough of this aggression? i think it will be the moment he has proof positive that indeed merica is funneling in arms. then imo he will be stealthfully countering at an expoential pace to snuff the region to his liking as an open invitation to the community organizer to play ball or suck balls...
Uruguay with the Bush Family
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/sociopolitica/esp_sociopol_bush53.htm
You Mean Paraguay
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2006/oct/23/mainsection.tomphillips
I thought they cloned all the Nazis in Brazil?
After a global nuclear exchange, it's only a matter of a decade or two before the Earth is rendered completely uninhabitable. It will, for all intents and purposes, be a Dead Planet, extinct of virtually ALL carbon-based life.
Having said that, one might gain a couple of years of agonizing existence in the Southern Hemisphere, but that would only be prolonging the inevitable.
It would probably be far more fortunate and advantageous to be close to ground zero, and experience the instant vaporization associated with the initial blast wave.
Not even close, this planet has been threw the ringer many, many times before. Fish, bugs and plants aren't going anywhere.
The radiation of a nuclear war has already happend. Its just the cities haven't been blown up yet. We are in an End of life event. Diversity will continue to drop as it has many times in the past. If you look at the charts of the earth's diversity, it was do to loose at least 15-30% of diversity. Just like the market is do for a 10-20% correction.
The diversity of nature like the markets, rise and fall over time. Almost like the earth new it needed a correction and invented humans to do it.
You're right, of course.
I'm sure life will be just peachy after the world's superpowers detonate several thousand thermonuclear devices around the globe, all within the span of a week or two. Then we can all bask in the warm glow of the ambient radiation as every nuclear power plant in the world melts down, spewing massive amounts of radiation into the air for the next few centuries.
I have been accused of exaggeration a few times in the past, so I stand corrected to your infinite and awe-inspiring wisdom.
Might be more than "a few thousand" - http://io9.com/5277702/could-our-nuclear-arsenal-really-destroy-the-world. Cannot vouch for the accuracy, but note the "26,000" figure . . .
As they say, looking on the bright side, various earthquakes / volcanic events have individually been more energetic than the entire Global arsenal. Looking on the not-so-bright side, these events didn't have the "extra radiation" component, or the "long term" (by our short lifespan standards) effects on Global climate.
The comments are interesting though somewhat tongue-in-cheek!
Well, if the world is engulfed by a nuclear war I'm going to make it a point to contact all the dumbasses I've been trying to warn for years. I'll yell at them "I TOLD you, you dumb ass lazy coward !" - right before I croak with everyone else.
JFK once said:"We will not prematurely or unnecessarily risk the costs of worldwide nuclear war in which even the fruits of victory would be ashes in our mouth...."
Obama should take that advice, instead of ginning up another war.
Sending in EU peacekeepers in there would be a VERY BAD idea! Those 'peacekeepers' will consist of Polish and Lithuanian troops, imagine an 'incident' resulting in some NATO 'peacekeepers' getting killed... there's your reason for NATO to get involved... WWIII.
Pre-emptive defence? Kill as many as they can in the east - just in case? Also, Canadians probably frantically checking their inventories right now for a lethal weapon that defends against nuclear attack. Good luck with that.
I have an ikea computer desk to hide under, will that help?
absolutely.
climb under... squat... put your head between your knees... and kiss your ass goodbye.
Did you get the 1/2" steel plate option?
Might as well sit on top of the desk to get a good view of what could well be a once-in-a-lifetime experience.
Oh, it would definitely be a once-in-a-lifetime experience.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tr76hNngqts&t=0m6s
Ask Einstein. "I know not exactly which weapons will be used to fight WW III, but WW IV will be fought with sticks and stones." Hmmm.
Einstein made that comment before there were over 400 nuclear power plants in operation around the world, along with the spent fuel cooling ponds which are part of these facilities.
Had he been able to factor that data into his calculus, he would never have made such a ridiculous statement.
He didn't say humans would be fighting WW3....
I'll start printing up the "I (heart) Morlocks" T-shirts.
If you're in Berkeley, you'll be all set!
http://www.berkeleyside.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/nuclearfree.jpg
It's a pretty short drive to the Livermore though.
Hippies lack of understanding of basic science will always be their downfall.
Yeah laminated chipboard that will really do the trick. That will burn really well.
I hate to tell this to TPTB, but Boobus Americanus doesn't care about Ukraine. They might have general unease about Russia, but I highly doubt Ukraine is in the top 1,000 things on their mind with the economy the way it is.
With the attempted invasion of Syria last year, they never really took the time to even build a case against Assad, it was just in the news one day - ooh this guy has weapons and you should care! The response from Americans is obviously - huh wait, what?
Sorry oligarch masters, but people can only have a certain amount of give a sh*t and the dual "threat" of ISIS and ebola used up the last of the public's caring about fabricated boogeymen.
I hope to whatever deity might be out there that our military resists deployment into World War III because after hundreds of years of dominance, it is well past time for the nation states to simply crumble into nothingness while political power returns completely to the local level. As we've seen, the massive centralization of power and destructive weapons in the hands of Oceania, Eastasia, and Eurasia could very well mean the end of all humanity.
Actually the problem with America is we do care.
"And this makes no sense" indeed.
Poland and Lithuania are in.
Of course Putin has an irrational and complete hatred of all things American.
But I also think he lacks an understanding of the sadness of the American Experience.
The Great Diaspora.
The USA....
So Poland is al in you say ... not so much maybe ... Rados?aw Sikorski, Poland’s Oxford-educated foreign minister, who was caught dismissing Poland’s relationship with the United States as “worthless.” “Complete bullshit. We'll get in conflict with the Germans, Russians, and we'll think that everything is super because we gave the Americans a blow job,” he allegedly says in the recording from January 2014, published in Wprost on June 23. “Losers. Complete losers. Der Speigel ..
Every now and then the Polacks seem to need a good spanking, just enough to return them to their senses. Fortunately, all their neighbors have been (historically) more than happy to oblige...
The conditioning of the American peeps will backfire, they should have stopped after Vietnam but noooo that to keep dumbing down. Now fat lazy Americans will scof at any attempt to dislodge their ass from a Cheetos encrusted couch. It WILL take a nuclear exchange to get this one fired up. No internet, CSI Clevland or Dancing with the Tards until this gets resolve will be the new "Remember the Maine" battle cry
There once was a time when no one in America gave a shit about Iraq either. You grossly underestimate the power of propaganda, especially U.S. Government propaganda amplified by our over the top mass media.
I figure it would take about three weeks of constraint government lies on the so-called news before the average American was shitting his or her pants in fear because they believe Putin is worse the Hitler and must be stopped at all costs.
One easy way would be to have a number of second-echelon / local Politicians killed via ricin (a la Georgi Markov), and "conveniently" manage to capture a random Russian-speaking nutter.
Dress them up in surplus Russian military uniform (Ebay is your friend here), and let the easily-led US Public make up their own mind as to "whodunnit" - with a little expert guidance from the pet MSM.
http://www.ebay.com.au/sch/i.html?_from=R40&_trksid=p2047675.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H0.Xrussian+army+uniform.TRS0&_nkw=russian+army+uniform&_sacat=0
Shhhh...you just gave away the FBIs next plot.
Cheduba - providing the "War" is well-televised, and is constrained to "somewhere else", most Americans really couldn't give a stuff. They have far more pressing personal issues to deal with on a daily basis as a result of the "Wonderful Jobs for All economy" and "Low Inflation". . . .
A very few can think ahead, and a subset of them may have has first-hand experience in a "real" combat zone (as against Paintball or computer-game "combat"), and they will be pretty solidly against any European / Eurasian conflict, 'cause they know what happens, and they knoiw how command and control "mistakes" can and do happen, even in today's "electronic battlescape" much loved by the central planners who really do like to be able to "dictate the progress of a War" from their comfortable Washington or wherever desks, in their airconditioned offices, nice 9-5 desk job with all the bennies . . . .
Seeing as there has never been ANY major conflict on US soil within any living memory (the 9/11 "inside job" doesn't count as a conflict), there is no community "sense" of what war (real war) is. This will change immediately the first device detonates over a US mainland target, but by then it will be far to late to lobby for a peaceful solution . . . .
Cheduba, any military folks I've been stupid enough to try to talk to wholeheartedly support any deployment they're given, consider themselves heroes for doing so, and will shout down anyone trying to tell them any differently. What military numbskulls have you tried to talk to lately?
Bunch of goons following orders and waving flags, thinking they're fighting for our freedoms. Some kind of sick joke.
Do correct me if you think I'm wrong, anyone. I wish I were.
And none of them, of course, believe in 911 truth. Like steel frame buildings collapse into their own footprints, at freefall speed, for any reason other than controlled demolition, ever.
"the massive centralization of power and destructive weapons in the hands of Oceania, Eastasia, and Eurasia could very well mean the end of all humanity."
Did you deliberately leave out America, or by mistake ?
The Pro US Kiev Junta is just channeling the USSA state department. America needs a nuclear war to blame for the meltdown of derivatives.
Yeah, beat up on the helpless people who only want to protect their property and their basic human rights and dignity.
I mean why would America care about that?
SHOCKING!
Obama and Zero Hedge are ONE!
Selfies all around!
So Poland is all in you say .. not so much maybe ....Rados?aw Sikorski, Poland’s Oxford-educated foreign minister, who was caught dismissing Poland’s relationship with the United States as “worthless.” “Complete bullshit. We'll get in conflict with the Germans, Russians, and we'll think that everything is super because we gave the Americans a blow job,” he allegedly says in the recording from January 2014, published in Wprost on June 23. “Losers. Complete losers. Der Speigel
ZH and Hotel California are not the same. You CAN leave whenever you wish.
Go fuck yourself, he can express any view he wants in this place.
You can leave too you know?
Agreed. I'd rather have the kooks here along with everyone else than have it become an echo chamber.
Having said that, I'm pretty sure that disabledvet is fucking nuts.
DisableVet is here to remind us of the deep USSA empire brainwashing that some members suffer. It is the mindless trolls, repeating their inane talking points that bore me.
if you care so much, why dont you valonteer and go to Ukraine and fight the evil Russians. Instead you are on ZH, spreading anti Russians hatred and lies.
It's NOT Russia but USA that attacked Iraq in 1990 using lies about babies in inqubators.
It's NOT Russia but USA that attacked Iraq in 2003 using lies about weapons of mass distraction
It's NOT Russia but USA that is arming ISIS in Syria and claming their are "moderate rebels"
It's NOT Russia but USA that tried attacking Syria ovr fake claims of weapons of mass distraction.
It's NOT Russia but USA that has military ships off the Iranian coast ready to attack Iran
It's NOT Russia but USA that is sending 25000 solders in Iraq for 3rd time.
BTW, it's been a year and USA has NOT been able to produce a single verified photo of the Russian invasion. Do you know how many timies Ukraine has claimed Russia has invaded them? Over 40 times. If Puin wanted Ukraine he would have had ALL OF IT long time ago.
Too bad for you but Reality and facts win against you once again.
'The only question left is are you really that stupid to believe propaganda or are you just another paid shill.
What were they doing in Chechnya around that time? Ever been to Afghanistan? How'd that go? Don't be Saur!
Ha! a dipshit shill that's only been here since the wave of Russian shills arrived (about 28 weeks ago ... how about that) is calling a long-term commenter a shill.
Go fuck yourself you filthy Russian puke.
Victoria Nuland, The Cookie Mobster, should man up & lead the troops she financed into battle.
Either that or some now childless American father somewhere needs to go find Nuland and all her family and discuss the real meaning of 'Fucking" in great detail with her.
It's the only way they'll learn...