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Worst Spying In World History – Worse Than Any Dystopian Novel – Is Occurring RIGHT NOW
We noted in 2012 that Americans are the most spied upon people in world history.
Top NSA officials previously said that we’ve got a “police state” … like J. Edgar Hoover – or the Stasi – on “super steroids”.
Spying by the NSA is also worse than in Nazi German:
The tyrants in Nazi Germany, Stalinist Russia and Stasi Eastern Europe would have liked to easedrop on every communication and every transaction of every citizen. But in the world before the internet, smart phones, electronic medical records and digital credit card transactions, much of what happened behind closed doors remained private.
Indeed, a former lieutenant colonel for the East German Stasi said the NSA’s spy capabilities would have been “a dream come true” for the Stasi.
NSA contractor Edward Snowden said in 2013 that NSA spying was worse than in Orwell’s book 1984. (See update below).
We noted at the time that the NSA is spying on us through our computers, phones, cars, buses, streetlights, at airports and on the street, via mobile scanners and drones, through our smart meters, and in many other ways.
And we learned that same year that the NSA is laughing at all of us for carrying powerful spying devices around in our pockets. And see this.
A security expert said the same year:
We have to assume that the NSA has EVERYONE who uses electronic communications under CONSTANT surveillance.
What’s happened since these statements were made? Spying has only gotten worse. The government is doing everything it can to completely destroy privacy.
Postscript: Nothing has changed … and it will keep on getting worse and worse unless we the people stand up for our rights against those who want to take our freedom away.
Update: Bill Binney is the high-level NSA executive who created the agency’s mass surveillance program for digital information. A 32-year NSA veteran widely regarded as a “legend” within the agency, Binney was the senior technical director within the agency and managed thousands of NSA employees.
Binney tells Washington’s Blog:
While the spying programs that we have heard about so far deal with the “who and what” and on occasion the “why” of what people on the planet are doing, Treasuremap is the NSA/GCHQ/etc. program to acquire and follow the movements of people (objective is to follow 4 billion folks) simultaneously in near real time. So, Treasuremap gives them the “when and where” aspects of individual lives.
All in all, this gives the participating governments (primarily the Five Eyes countries) unrestricted knowledge of individual lives.
Current surveillance is far beyond an Orwellian state.
Although on a much smaller scale, we need to remember that these type of activities were some of the primary “articles of impeachment” of president Nixon.
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yeah, i've had it good. But maybe some Americans don't mind their livez either... you gonna bloody my finger, yo co popo azz straight from the fuckin pen?
not to insult anyone, i'm stupid anyway. I just think what I don't know is more emphatic than the obvious status quo... that is, people know where to go and where not to go, besides hognogs and bluegums.
War On Whistleblowers: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HdF1WlU5fJY&feature=youtu.be&list=PLQ9B-...
Challenge: can you identify something an American in 2015 cares less about than universal surveillance?
To truly understand how dangerous global surveilance is, consider who rules the world. By and large it is the global elite. We then have to assume that these oligarchs have access to this information, should they want it. That is, they could access compromising information on each and every one of us; our mistresses, our porn surfing, everything. Then one must ask, who is being coerced. Whose decision making is guided by fear of disclosure? That is frightening.
Again, if you think this is worse than 1984 then you have not read 1984.
You know more than the high-level NSA executive (he supervised HALF the employees at NSA) who was the HEAD of NSA's global digital surveillance program, and who CREATED the core of the systems still used today?
William Binney > you
The worst, and scariest, part of it is NOBODY in power is even talking about putting an end to this, or even limits on it.
"The worst, and scariest, part of it is NOBODY in power is even talking about putting an end to this, or even limits on it."
Because this is how those in power stay in power.
"Because this is how those in power stay in power."
Precisely. Your 'Representative' does not represent you.
If you have any ideas or thoughts you wish to keep safe from prying eyes, use encryption. Obviously, I recommend Privacy Envelope if using a Macintosh.
Plug: update coming within 6 weeks. Finder integration and Mail and Messages app integration.
The unfortunate point is that we must protect ourselves from being a Product for the Corporatist State to monitize.
“Lets dedicate ourselves to what the ancient greeks wrote so many years ago, to tame
the savageness of man and make gentle the life of this world. Let us dedicate
ourselves to that”
It seems incredible today that any politician could have said that, and yet it was said.
Naturally he had to die.
at least they're creating jobs. In the next five years, there could be an extra 5 million goverment panty-cam operators - which would help improve the "economy"
And Linkedin is now sending out emails from people without their knowledge to contacts in their address book. These contacts then have to 'opt out' of their email addresses being used by LinkedIn!!
A spam virus IMO
Well, what did you expect from progressives? We been going down the progressive tyranny road at least since 1913. It saddens me to see in the article and all the commentary afterwards absolutely zero mention of the progressive tyranny responsible for the current government crimes. It appears the brainwashing was successful.
If you want psychopathic murdering thieving criminal control freaks out of government then start electing constitutional conservatives.
Too bad there are not any in sight anywhere. We are truly fucked. Embrace the progressive suck you idiots, you asked for it.
Fucking morons.
Grimaldus
labels. Very dangerous things.
Progressive, liberal, conservative, neocon... labelling doesn't address the problem it only misdirects the blame...especially when they ALL embrace the same twisted "terrorism" narrative. Electing "constitutional" conservatives is no panacea either... watch them convert to neo-cons as they approach electability ..its just another "progressive suck".
Points for fabulous misdirection!
In this case me calling out the progressives is like shining a light on a bunch of cockroaches. Flushes 'em out. Blame is square on the culprits dude.
And so TS how many constitutional conservatives have you elected? Considering your answer was some slick progressive damage control, I am betting that would be a big zero.
Let me know when you see some law abiding constitutional conservatives ok? Part of your answer is correct, the current FEDGOV ALL embrace progressive criminality. Obama recently instructed Border Patrol Agents to let drunk illegal aliens go and if they end up killing American citizens the BP will not be held accountable for it.
Boiled down, Obama says it's ok for illegal aliens to kill Americans and preferable to incarcerating the same criminal aliens. That is a blatant crime if there ever was any. And you say a constitutional conservative would do the same thing? I say no way, to do what obama did you have to really hate America and Americans as only the criminal progressives have shown they do. "Fundamental transformation", remember?
Grimaldus
"Electing "constitutional" conservatives is no panacea either... watch them convert to neo-cons as they approach electability"
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ = Political Force
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ does not want Constitutional Conservatives in the legislature or positions of political power. It does not serve their purposes or goals. The Constitution certainly does not appeal to $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
the entire system is based on $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ and is broken.
That's it. They have got us befuddled with the parties and factions and our child like addiction to heroes and leaders.
The party agendas now try to rope in such a variety of disparate social and political issues that only an idiot could buy the entire package.
And you know that behind the party masks are the same puppet masters.
You want to vote for fiscal conservatism but you must also endorse the creation 5000 years old and perpetual aggressive war.
You want to vote as compassionate Christ-like liberal but you have to take on so much PC BS you are more or less muzzled. Plus that by no means get you out of perpetual aggressive war, our out from under the bankers.
No one who aspires to power will look out for YOU.
I'm surprised this effort by the NSA and GCHQ isn't getting more play: Hacking into a SIM card manufacturers systems and getting their encryption keys so they can essentially be a man in the middle and intercept ALL mobile communications from affected SIMs.
http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/consumer-security/telcos-face-mass-si...
We are so inured to government persecution we just shrug at each new revelation Or should I say 'manured' to it.
Speaking of "worse spying" what happened to our ability to spy on other countries? We made a mess in Ukraine because of incompetent covert actions and Isis developed into this monstrous entity without being noticed by our super snoops.Just seems like yesterday that Obama was crapping on Isis,thinking they were just some minor "JV Squad" Oops.And that pre Benghazi intel was nothing to brag about.
You're assuming both of those scenarios were not the desired outcome...
Spying provides endless information for the hacks. The hacks are supposed to use this information to become knowledgeable about everyone or to lie about that information to make false accusations. The government expects to become omniscient, but fails to understand Nature, or its unpredictable happenstance or the cleverness of some men. Look at the ignorance of the millennials, who have access to huge troves of knowledge and know less than those who came before.
Large data bases are not omniscience.
"Postscript: Nothing has changed … and it will keep on getting worse and worse unless we the people stand up for our rights against those who want to take our freedom away."
To the degree that "We the People" stand up for their rights, IT WILL GET EVEN WORSE, FASTER!
There is already irreconcilable social polarization. It is too late to stop that from happening, because it is so totally entrenched. Primarily, the monetary system has become like a totally metastasized cancer. The civilization controlled by that monetary system is terminally sick and insane. Everything that has been happening in America for at least a Century has been based on the triumphs of the methods of organized crime capturing control over the government of the USA, which has automatically gotten worse, faster, at an exponentially accelerating rate.
The total debts of the USA have followed a nearly perfect exponential growth function from 1971 until now. The only difference is that there has been a significant shift in the proportion of the "money" made out of nothing as debts created by the Federal Reserve Board becoming relatively more significant than the other privately controlled banks. That is getting so blatant that even the relatively more mainstream financial experts can no longer avoid facing the facts.
E.g.:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-21/financial-house-cards-held-together-lies-and-fraud
A Financial House of Cards Held Together By Lies and Fraud
"Sitting atop this mountain of fraud
is the Federal Reserve …
the US Central Bank that
owes its very existence to fraud ...
The entire system is rotted structure built on a
foundation of lies, manipulations, and deceits.
... this time around, when stuff hits the fan,
the entire system will break ..."
There are NO good labels that are widely understood for the political system in which the government becomes the biggest form of organized crime controlled by the best organized gang of criminals. I like to refer to that as a runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut. (However, that phrase is relatively misleading, since the oligarchical "plutocrats" main source of "wealth" is the government enforced frauds, that they can create the public "money" supply out of nothing as debts for everyone else. Moreover, since fraud is symbolic robbery, that system of enforced frauds have been robbing "We the People" blind for more than a Century.
The fascist police state was built to protect and advance that fascist plutocracy. There is no way to fix the fascist police state problems without fixing the root causes, which have grown into an overwhelmingly sized problem! Hence, the most probable future is that the runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut is going to turn the majority of Americans into its road kill. Any attempts at this point in time to try to stop that steamroller will probably cause it to get even bigger and roll even harder.
Standing up for "freedoms" has tended to become promoted as an old-fashioned impossible ideal, that will continue to cause the opposite to actually happen in the real world. People who promote the poetry of the magical words like "Liberty" tend to make no effort whatsoever to reconcile that with basic laws of nature, such as the conservation of energy. That is possible to do, but only through profound paradigm shifts, in the form of intellectual scientific revolutions, which should be the source of any Second American Revolution, (but probably will not, because we have already run out of time to adapt, while the standard techniques of organized crime controlling its opposition have been greatly advanced.)
The vast majority of the American people are staring down the barrel of the biggest and most advanced fascist police state apparatus there has ever been. Everything has been set up to enable provoking Americans to begin mass murdering each other, and to impose democidal martial law. Given those facts, recommending going backwards to old-fashioned rights and freedoms is NOT going to work. Rather, continuing to promote such impossible ideals is only guaranteed to continue to backfire badly, with the worst case scenarios being that the more effectively enough people did that, the more that the fascist police state would double down, again and again, on advancing the agenda of the oligarchical fascist plutocracy, which already controls the existing government of the money, for the money, by the money.
Enough people have been fooled enough of the time that it is too late to imagine returning to the idealized forms of government of the people, by the people, for the people. The established financial systems are operated by huge corporations, that have become legal "persons," who effectively have more rights and freedoms than flesh and blood human beings, particularly because those corporations do not have to die. Furthermore, the advanced systems of enforced frauds have already created enough "money" out of nothing to speculate with that all that "money" related to the physical lives of flesh blood people buying food or fuel, etc., are now trivial factors in the overall political economy based on enforced financial frauds.
Economically speaking, the vast majority of people barely count inside of the virtual financial world that has been created upon the basis of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, such as big banks being legal persons that are allowed to create the public "money" supply out of nothing through legalized counterfeiting, and then speculate with those funds. In that context, OF COURSE, the USA has become "Worse Than Any Dystopian Novel," or gone "far beyond an Orwellian state," to become Orwellian on steroids, as well as that fused with Huxleyian techniques too. Furthermore, the USA still leads the rest of the world on that path, with the rest of the Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire particularly following along.
The basic problems are globalized systems of electronic monkey money frauds, backed up by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs. In that context, anyone who believes that it would be possible to stand up for old-fashioned freedoms is utterly out of touch with reality, and therefore, just as psychotic in their view of the world as those established systems based on backing up lies with violence have become. IF there are to emerge any genuinely better resolutions to the real problems, then those must be made to become consistent with the progress in physical sciences that have made the things like electronics and atomic energy become technological realities:
"NSA is spying on us through our computers, phones, cars, buses, streetlights, at airports and on the street, via mobile scanners and drones, through our smart meters, and in many other ways.
We have to assume that the NSA has EVERYONE who uses electronic communications under CONSTANT surveillance."
Meanwhile, the same international banksters that captured control over the government of the USA are advancing a global agenda, wiping out the few countries whose regimes they did not control, while attempting to put pressure on countries like Russia and China to attempt to continue to require them to fit into the globalized systems of enforced frauds, being able to control all of the planet's natural resources. That strategy seriously risks starting a war with weapons of mass destruction, which could quickly spin out of control, but the combined systems of the established ruling classes, and those they rule over, have apparently become too criminally insane to be able to stop manifesting those morbid psychological and political habits, which were selected by thousands of years of human history to have previously been the most socially successful.
Overall, the biggest problem is that social pyramid systems, which were always based on being able to back up lies with violence for thousands of years, have been developing at an exponential rate, primarily due to progress in physical science, while nothing like that has happened in political science, because that would take much more profound paradigm shifts there than all of those combined in the physical sciences previously achieved, since the changes to the paradigms of political science should integrate all of the prevoiusly proven to be worthwhile paradigm shifts in the physical sciences, and then go beyond that!
Instead of doing anything remotely like that, most of the people who face the facts that the USA has become a runaway fascist plutocracy, building a runaway fascist police state, tend to continue to collapse back to bullshit "solutions" based on old-fashioned religions and ideologies, after they present their relatively, more or less, good analysis of those social facts. However, there is no way to go backward, but only, perhaps, ways to go forward ... The chronic political problems have been magnified many orders of magnitude by progress in physical sciences, which was achieved by a series of profound paradigm shifts in those sciences, which enabled technologies to develop to such astronomically amplified sizes, as illustrated by what NSA can actually do! However, given that, the only genuine solutions are to push through a series of even more profound paradigm shifts in political science.
That shall primarily be pushed through by the runaway debt insanities provoking runaway death insanities, within the USA and all around the world. That might be the catalyst for enough people to think differently? Energy will continue to be conserved. Events will continue to happen along the path of least resistance, which is the human path of least morality. Organizing better resistance could change that path of least resistance, but only to the degree that there was better understanding of general energy systems as a whole, which requires we understand the ways that our conceptualization of entropy was reversed by the biggest bullies' bullshit world view dominating the history of the development of the philosophy of science.
IF enough of "we the people stand up for our rights against those who want to take our freedom away," that should be done in ways which move forward, rather than attempt to move backwards. However, by and large, there is practically nothing but the established systems of organized crime surrounded by controlled opposition groups. Most of those controlled opposition groups are barely aware that they continue to be controlled when they continue to promote the same old false fundamental dichotomies and related impossible ideals regarding what the "solutions" to the political problems should be. Just like the word "money" had its meaning gradually inverted and perverted, all the rest of the language that tends to get publicly parroted was based on the successes of the biggest bullies' bullshit.
In the most sublime sense, the basic concept is SUBTRACTION, and the biggest bullies' bullshit world view subtracted that subtraction, in order to present that as being positive. Therefore, the genuine solutions are to subtract the subtraction of that subtraction, in order to return to what was always the way things actually were. The main characteristic of the biggest bullies' bullshit language is that was designed to enable professional liars and immaculate hypocrites to operate as those kinds of professional hypocrites, explaining and defending everything that was actually based on the maximum possible deceits and frauds as if the opposite was the case. Hence, the bullshit of the banksters dominates mainstream economics, and similar sorts of other matching bullshit dominates the mass media discussions of the NSA, etc.!
It is almost impossible to exaggerate the degree to which we are living in a Bizarro Mirror World, or a Wonderland Matrix, because of the historical facts that the best organized gangs of criminals were able to apply the methods of organized crime to the political processes in order to capture control over the powers of governments, and thereby effectively privatize those powers, while the vast majority of people were simultaneously brainwashed more and more to believe in bullshit about that social situation, for generation after generation, until most people felt that they wanted to continue to believe in those kinds of bullshit!
The standard pattern almost everywhere is organized crime surrounded by controlled opposition. That pattern usually manifests as relatively good analysis of the actual social facts, followed by collapsing back to bullshit "solutions" based on the same old impossible ideals, which never worked before, but rather, always backfired badly, and enabled the opposite to actually happen in the real world. That is the pattern with respect to most of the public resistance to what the NSA, et alia, have been doing. Just like the monetary system became an absurd State Religion, that almost everyone was forced to accept, and therefore, generation after generation, most people came to believe in that State Religion, so too national security has become a psychotic State Religion, which requires people to believe in absurd bullshit, through it rewarding those who agree with lies, while punishing those who refuse to agree with lies.
The CIA was originally created by people from Wall Street. Its purpose was to develop the secret police force necessary to keep the basic agenda of enforcing frauds going and growing all around the world, as well as within the USA. Hence, there is nothing truly new about what NSA is doing, except for the advancing technologies which enable that to be done. However, after reviewing enough of those kinds of historical facts, one should not then collapse back to promoting old-fashioned religions or ideologies as the "solutions" to those problems. Rather, the genuine solutions are to move forward, through more intellectual scientific revolutions, which then apply to political science in general, and the combined money/murder systems in particular.
The chronic political problems have been astronomically amplified in size by the advancing technology, enabled by a series of profound paradigm shifts in the basic physical sciences. There are no other genuine solutions possible that do not continue to do the same things, except much more so! Of course, meanwhile, the ACTUAL debt insanities, ARE headed towards provoking death insanities, and therefore, the theoretically possible better resolutions of the real problems that I am pointing towards do not appear to have enough time to work themselves through ... ???
Radical, you're obviously extremely well read, but you're thesis comes across like a financial and political Dr. Bronners soap bottle (albeit pretty enlightening and readable). In reading the whole missive I never once note a cogent, succinct solution or suggestion towards a solution.
I personally side with trying to steer the ship back on track through "restocking" the political heirarchy with strict constructionists, but unfortunately no one ever seems to want to do that from "the ground up" which starts at people like town council members and dogcatchers.
Now, maybe that's the overly painted point your making, that aggregate linear though on that line always leads down a blind rathole because it can't compete at the level with which the state[s] and national entity operate. It's always de-railed.
One clear instance I see of this is of the Libertarians always wrecking their chances at any advancement by running a presidential candidate, when I've always thought their best shot at creating change with the resources they have at their disposal is to secure enough House (~24-36) and Senate (~4-8) seats to effectively become the "king makers" (and they have literally given away a house seat in my district in the past running with no Republican on the ticket and with a candidate who was clearly really a "progressive" in disguise).
A third party securing that many house and senate seats would control enough voting power to at the least cause government to grind to a halt legislatively, and we've always known that government doing absolutely nothing is just about the ideal at this point.
Anyway, do you have a "nutshell" version of what you think should get done???
Axenolith, I agreed with both JRobby's and centerline's replies: Madness is not something that "cures itself."
My nutshell version of what should get done is that enough people should learn how the monetary and taxation systems really work, and especially face the central fact that the public "money" supply is being made out of nothing as debts, by privately controlled banks. The most important issues are the vicious spirals between the monetary system and the funding of politics, which has ALREADY become unbalanced to a ratio of more than 100 to 1.
I have been working on that issue for a few decades, and I continue to do so through Canadian Electoral District Associations. After discussing these issues face to face with tens of thousands of different people from all walks of life, as well as two court cases against the government regarding the laws that control the funding of Canadian political parties, I have been practically stalemated, and forced to accept the SOCIAL FACTS THAT ~99% OF "WE THE PEOPLE" ACT LIKE "ZOMBIE SHEEPLE."
What should get done:
We the People stop being political idiots.
There is nothing wrong with the theory of a democratic republic (or a constitutional monarchy) operating through the rule of law.
THE PROBLEM IS THE VAST MAJORITY OF PEOPLE HAVE ALREADY BEEN BRAINWASHED TO BELIEVE IN BULLSHIT.
Indeed, a mind boggling thing is to endeavour to discover the degree to which the biggest bullies' stories are utter bullshit, which contradict the basic laws of nature on many levels. The "excuses" to build the fascist police state, which is NOW doing the worst spying in history, were things like the "war on drugs" which was 75%+ the war on marijuana, and now the "war on terror." Both of those were primarily wars based on deceits, designed to become self-fulfilling prophesies.
The world has been controlled by lies backed by violence so much, for so long, that there are no good reasons to doubt that will continue to get worse, faster ... My "solutions" are practically nothing more than political science fiction and fantasy, promoting social psychiatry addressed to the ways that our civilization has become criminally insane. However, as centerline said: Madness is not something that "cures itself."
Realistic assessments of the established systems of organized crime and controlled opposition, operating the current MAD Money As Debt systems, backed by the MAD Mutual Assured Destruction systems, are that those are criminal insanities, which are TOO MAD to recover from that degree of MADNESS, especially since a significant aspect of that is that there is almost nothing but controlled opposition, while the overwhelming vast majority of people are such total political idiots (brainwashed to believe in bullshit to the degree that they want to continue to believe in that bullshit), that there are no practically possible "solutions," other than to wait and watch as the established systems of organized crime and controlled opposition eventually destroy themselves due to their own MADNESS.
Within the established ways that politics works, due to the role of money in politics being an extremely vicious feedback of MADNESS, where the profits from fraud are able to be reinvested in more frauds, there is nothing which is practically possible to resist the runaway criminal insanities of enforced frauds, and wars based on deceits, from getting worse, faster ... which shall more and more come boomeranging back home, to result in the majority of Americans becoming the victims of democidal martial law, as the "logical" end result of what Homeland Security in general, and the NSA in particular, are preparing to be able to do ...
After one fully faces the facts that governments are the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, the only genuine solutions must necessarily be better organized crime, which ideally would require citizens to understand that, rather than continue to act like incompetent political idiots that do not want to understand that.
I REPEAT: there is nothing theoretically wrong with a democratic republic operating through the rule of law. What is WRONG is that the runaway crazy corruptions of the monetary system have gotten into vicious feedback loops so much, for so long, that the public schools and mass media almost totally promote the biggest bullies' bullshit, and its ulterior evil agenda, while nothing practical can be done about that, after it has already become so extremely bad!
The solutions in a nutshell are for We the People to stop being such Zombie Sheeple. George Washington works hard to write his series of articles try to accomplish that. However, overall, things are automatically getting worse, faster, especially since it continues to be the case that the dominate organized crime gangs that control the government also control most of the apparent opposition to the established systems. That most of the alleged "opposition" is controlled is one of the main reasons why there are NO practical, political solutions to the MADNESSES.
The money system is the main problem, but the role of money in the funding of politics makes fixing that problem practically impossible. We are stuck in a vicious spiral of criminal insanities, inside of a terminally sick society. The theoretical solutions in a nutshell are for We the People to stop being incompetent political idiots, who believe in bullshit, so that those muppets vote for the banksters' political puppets. We the People ought to understand how and why the basic systems were debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits.
That was the context in which the spying powers of the NSA were developed. However, despite the efforts of guys like George Washington, et alia, to educate people, the established systems of organized crime, surrounded by their controlled opposition, continue to automatically get worse, faster ... so that we probably have already run out of time to prevent the worst nightmare dystopian futures from being realized.
While I would like to recommend social psychiatry for our collective MADNESS, there are no good reasons to believe that is going to happen, while overwhelming reasons to expect that instead of a more enlightened "We the People," there will probably continue to be an even worse "Zombie Sheeple," being fleeced to exhaustion, and then slaughtered.
We should make a greater use of information, enabling higher consciousness, to operate better death controls, to back up better debt controls. However, we are ALREADY inside of situations where the debt slavery systems have generated numbers which have become debt insanities, and the wars based on deceits have been engaged in causing death insanities. Both integrated systems are automatically getting worse faster ... Therefore, the most probable future is that the NSA will continue to be fed to grow to turn into an even worse monster, within the context of an overall fascist police state monster, that will grow and grow, to go out of control, and destroy almost everything and everyone, including itself ...
I WISH that I could believe in something else, however, I am not able to find any good grounds to do so. Therefore, in a nutshell, the actual bottom line is that almost NOTHING THAT SHOULD GET DONE SHALL GET DONE! Instead, everything that should NOT happen will automatically continue to happen more and more, within the already entrenched systems of organized crime, and its controlled opposition ...
That's the kind of statement that makes one want to cover the ears and shut the eyes and go "can't hear you"... mainly because from a demographic standpoint the number of what one would consider "good" people to come through the other side of this is constantly declining from social and ageing attrition.
I, unfortunately, concur with your conclusions for the most part, "most part" being that I do harbor hope that some sort of "game changing" event will reset the system to the point where electronic debt is destroyed and the main struggle an individual will undergo is to facilitate his own and his immediate fellows existence BEFORE we enter some sort of dystopian authoritarian technocracy.
It also reinforces my feelings that the best way to avoid the system in its current form and to come through any reset is to find someplace far from the ever permeating cloud of intrusive RF we are wrapped in, that is also tough to survive in. The kind of place where the vast majority will never see fit to consider as someplace to get by. Someplace that gets really cold or dry a good portion of the time.
I will continue till that time to continue to try to get people to unlimber their debt shackles, as I am doing mine.
Interesting, when you think about it... Everything (practically) that has been sold to us as a time saving or mitigation of life's hardships device or system, while theoretically being able to serve those purposes wonderfully, actually has marked out an inexorable path to where we are now, kind of like an iron, copper and silicon trail of treats leading to a matrix-like cage...
Thanks for taking the time to put up that level of reply RM.
I would up-vote your reply, Axenolith, except, for some unknown reason, my clicking on that does not register. (I find that on Zero Hedge, that strangely happens sometimes to me, in no pattern that I have been able to to discern.)
I WISH that I did not have to agree with myself! Meanwhile, I also wish you good luck in finding some place to weather the coming social storms, in order "to come through any reset ... "
Madness is not something that "cure's itself." The system is corrupted so thoroughly that true statesmen would never be allowed to rise to any signigicant level of influence. It would threaten the status quo which is the grift... the existence of not just the "ruling class" but also a large segment of the population (public workers, public pensioneers, welfare receipients, military, veterans, those on disability, social security, etc.).
Rise of a 3rd political party is already baked into the cake though. That is when confidence in the system really begins to roll over. And the whole facade, as you probably know, is confidence based. When that begins to fall apart, the mathematics of what has really been perpetrated on society will suddenly manifest.
Do you propose a solution Axenolith?
We are approaching a junction in history. No one is certain which way it is going to go and when it will arrive. But the junction approaches none the less.
Clearly the People should welcome a third party. Yet one does not emerge for some of the "political" reasons you state. I would offer that the current political system is not the answer. You are looking in a place that has no solution for the People. The US political system is damaged beyond repair. It no longer functions.
I'm game for any solution that comes out still containing what our founders produced as the Bill of Rights. I will not accept any system that consists of a "state" that considers individuals it's property or possessions. I will not accept any solution that proposes to remove the individuals ability, on a one-on-one/one-on-several basis, to defend theirselves from either the states or other individuals lawless plunderings or rapine incursions.
Essentially, what was created 249 years ago did, and will, work, with such tweaks as to prevent political dynasties, incorporated entities with unlimited lifespans, and un-dischargeable debts, etc...
Almost every person on here can point out the branches in the path to where we are where we made critical errors or allowed power elites to manipulate the process to their ends. The original Constitution, as intended, would work if we get a "do over" where those issues can be addressed.
Whether or not we can survive the "do over" with enough people with the same mettle as the founders is a whole different story...
+1 RM. I have said it to my family again and again the world we came from is long past. There is no going back... only forward. And forward means through the mess that is to come. Through some sort of profoundly difficult times where the overshoot we have experienced corrects. Likely overcorrects, as is typically the case with dynamic systems.
It is axiomatic that as soon as the people or CONgress move against all the uncontitutional spying, we will have a major terrist attack as a "told you so" which will likely lead to a constitutional amendment which will effectively invalidate all the supposed indiviudual liberties under the stasi umbrella of "safety".
"TERROR!!!" warning story this AM is that "they" are targeting shopping malls.
I found the timing interesting myself.
Yup. My group at dinner the other night basically agreed, while discussing CIA-Obama's latest comments, that:
"False-flaged if you do, and false-flaged if you don't."
The banksters need to repay us.
Repeat...... sorry.
Indeed, I am a GW Drone.
Indeed, GW is a conspiracy nut.
Vote for one please.
Your poll was phrased in a tricky way, xavi1951, and so, I am not going to vote on it, since, at first glance, it appears designed to produce a misrepresented result.
Well and good - but you really should learn to hone your posts down to a more courteous length. If we all had posts as long as yours - the responses would be totally unmanageable. Verbosity is often mistaken for eloquence. I would point out that The Declaration of Independence is on one page including the signatures as a reference point for you.
True Smed , but look what became of the constitution.
Yeah, but they wrote really small.
Sometimes a red arrow is just a red arrow.
I am not a "Truther" and find many of them to be self righteous and intellectually weak. But GW's pieces always tend to be well thought out and documented.
That's my third party vote on a write-in.
'I am not a "Truther"'
Why don't you instead say, I am a fucking "Idiot".
Edit: Okay, I read the subsequent exchange between you and Iggy, and perhaps am stating the idiot bit a tad harshly. Perhaps what you are is a "fair-weather Truther," that is, one who wants to avoid the more difficult-to-understand aspects of the many intertwining pre- and post-events, and simply stick to the easily digestible stuff. But, you see, that, too, is a deception. To know the nature of your enemy takes a great deal of effort: There's nothing easy about it. Frankly, if someone doesn't know that they were lied to by their government by this time, they're unlikely to find out anyway.
"In a time of universal deceit - telling the truth is a revolutionary act." Orwell
"I am not a "Truther"..."
I am. And if you understand the work of Chandler, Szamboti, MacQueen, Ryan, Griffin, Gage (ae911truth.org) and Peter Dale Scott, et al, you will be too.
A "Truther" doesn't simply believe, he proselytizes. But I don't see the point in trying to drag people down the rabbit hole when there's a copious amount of evidence clearly visible above ground that the government does nothing but lie and steal and cheat and kill.
For example, it's documented in congressional testimony that the State Department let the underwear bomber keep his visa so they could watch what he would do. That's an admission that they not only knew about the threat but that they also allowed the man to get on a US bound plane with a bomb as a matter of policy. People understand that. It's simple and comes straight from the horse's mouth. Now, if I started in on remote controlled planes and holograms folks would think I was nuts rather than agree with me that this government is out of control.
Truth is as truth does.
"holograms"
I'd think you were weird, too, if you started talkin' about 9/11 holograms.
What I'm talking about are matters well documented.
I learned about the holograms from "Truthers" on Daily Paul years ago.
But more to the point, you are proselytizing just as I said. I just talk with regular folks about easy to understand stuff. For example, rebels in Libya and Syria whom the US has supported with airstrikes have been quoted as saying that they are allied with Al Qaeda. It's straight from the horse's mouth and people get it.