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This European Nation's Poverty Rate Just Hit A Record High (Spoiler Alert: Not Greece)
For the last few years - and most especially the last few months - all eyes have been focused on Greece. From record poverty rates to record suicide rates and levels of youth unemployment, post-election emboldened hopes for a phoenix-like rebirth of a nation from the flames of Eurogroup repression were seemingly dashed on Friday. However there is another nation, that begins with the letter 'G' and that is at the heart of the EU-Greece talks that is suffering seemingly silently. As Newsweek reports, poverty in Germany is at its highest since the reunification of the country in 1990, with 12.5 million residents now classified as 'poor'...
As The Joint Welfare Association reports states,
Poverty in the Federal Republic of Germany is on an all time high, the findings of the Joint Welfare Association in its current poverty report. The Association is calling on the federal government for decisive action to combat poverty, including a significant increase in the standard rate in Hartz IV reforms and the family load balancing and basic old-age security.
"Never before has the poverty in Germany so high and never was the regional turmoil as deep as today. Germany is a deeply political poverty rugged Republic, "said Ulrich Schneider, Executive Director of the Joint General Association. Poverty in Germany has risen within a year almost jumped from 15.0 percent (2012) to 15.5 percent (2013). Purely mathematical terms this represents an increase from 12.1 to 12.5 million people.
The highest risk of poverty among all households were thereafter with 43 percent single parents. Special attention should also be paid to the Association's view, the pensioners, "There is no other group in Germany that had even remotely comparable high poverty increases in recent years. We are dealing with a pro-poor political landslide, "Schneider warns the face of a rise in poverty in this group by 48 percent since 2006. Already this year, the poverty rate for pensioners will first be above the German average, predicts the Association.
As Newsweek reports, "Poverty and regional inequalities are homemade primarily the result of political decisions," criticizes Schneider.
Dr Wolfgang Strengmann-Kuhn, a speaker for the Green parliamentary group in the German Bundestag, agrees. He believes cuts in social security funding are responsible for labour market incomes in the country becoming progressively more unequal, and points the finger at German chancellor Angela Merkel.
“While other countries have introduced tax credits for low income groups, this has not been on the agenda in Germany,” he says. “The fight against poverty is not on the agenda of the present government, neither has it been on the agenda of the preceding governments under Merkel.”
He says he believes that while Germany is profiting from the low value of the euro - which he attributes to the “crisis in southern Europe” - it is purely the upper-income groups who benefit.
“The poor lag behind because they have been neglected by the Merkel government,” he says.
“What is needed in Germany is the introduction of minimum levels in the social security systems, and it is also necessary to make the social insurance system universal.”
However, a spokesperson from the German Ministry of Labour and Social Affairs refutes the claims that Germany has seen a steep rise in poverty... noting that defining poverty based on median income alone does not reflect quality of life...
“The ‘at risk of poverty’ rate shows the proportion of people with equivalent income below 60% of the median income. It is not to be equated with poverty in the sense of indigence,” she says.
“Other highly important factors such as wealth, health, education, property or other social services are not considered. In addition, the indicator is not very robust due to random fluctuations of the median income. This means that small random fluctuations of the median income may have significant changes in poverty rates.”
In other words - the 'poor' German, we suspect, is considerably better off (in almost every aspect) that the 'poor' Greek.
It appears poverty is contagious among the world's money-printing-beneficiary developed nations...
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Those numbers stations creep me out. I alwayz have nightmares.when I run across one. Especially the angry german woman....
all that poverty can be easily eradicated by leveraging the good credit of the Metallurgische Forschungsgesellschaft (Metallurgical Research Corporation)
such things have been done in the past, to the betterment of all
hugs,
Hjalmar
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People in US prisons just may have it better than the average poor Greek. A place to sleep, three meals a day... and all the sex you may or may not want.
It's all relative dude, people hate comparing. That's being judgemental.
Poverty is getting pretty bad here in the USSA. I was at Dollar Tree (each item in the store is $1). The guy ahead of me in line was returning an item for a credit on his credit card.
The welfare west hasn't seen poverty for 3 generations.
Civil War coming to Germany?
Simple answer, NO.
Lots of BS. Poverty in developed countries is very much a relative thing. Most accounting does not include the plethora of Government benefits lower income families and individuals receive. Living standardards for lower income individuals are much higher than 20, 30 or 40 years ago. Not that the facts will stop assorted Socialists and Marxists from trying to make hay out of anything they can!
Thanks for refocusing on the most salient fact. In the end, the productive enterprise that drove the West to world domination is waning and the redistribution will wane as well. We're being molded to accept a different expectation...'free' this and that, but much of one's standard of living dependent on the central gov't. Self determination and independence from the State will disappear for nearly all but the partners of the state. It is not the "Banksters," it is the nature of humanity to desire to be ruled, just as long as basic security (promised) is provided. Rugged individualism is all but extinct in the US, and I don't know that it ever was much of a factor within European history...sans England 100 years ago.
I'm going with Jim Willie on the fate of the euro. It breaks up and they try to "save" it in a way by creating 2 different euro currencies...a north and a south.
Northern Euro countries like Germany, Austria, Netherlands, will create a northern euro and break away from the worthless, losers in the southern part of the euro-union.
Germany is being dragged down by the PIIGS, etc. And why the fuck should they keep going down that shit hole and destroy themselves?
At the same time they will ally more closely with Russia and even China. They're not going to let the close ties and trade they've developed w/ Russia be dismantled by all of this. Russia along with China bringing everyone else into the new system is a the best way for them to go rather than staying w/ the sick and twisted fucked up zombie system based on our dead, worthless petro-dollar system.
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Heil Euro!
It could have just been someone returning a cheap peice of Chinese junk back to its rightful landfill.
Germany is going the way of Greece. The rich dont pay taxes by hiding their money in Panama. The country gets starved of revenue. Their economy is in the crapper because of sanctions against Russia. LOL, FU merkel, hope the mob hangs you upside down in Berlin like they did Mussoline, you fat fuck.
Germany is not Greece. Europe is Greece. Who hung Mussolini upside down? Yes, that's something to read about.
Ioannis Metaxas, his movement hung him, but wtf do fools know. Obama is gay and I have a mancrush on Putin is the extent of it.
Argue my point, Mr. Cosmos. Don't just downvote me like a fag. This is fightclub bitch.
And you are just a loud mouthed kid. Go play with your dolls little bitch. My identical twin also downvoted you by the way lol.
That's not arguing my point GF. Wanna join my harem, you and Lola may get along.
Gosh you are annoying no wonder your folks left you home alone about five years back and never returned. Too bad the schools feed you. By the way you dont make any points, just blunt lame drivel.
Now you're just being silly. You should know better than to challenge a man, girlie. I'm ready for a real argument anytime you are.
Ok Dollbanger we can tussle on another story. You really haven't said anything worth discussing here. Meet me sometimes on ZH chat, I go by the name of Chumbawamba on there, Ill tussle with you any time, that is if my Armenian gf is not around. Im there right now, just click on my name and launch a pvt chat and lets argue before I spank you, your mom always liked when I did that to her, before your incessant whinning made her leave town.
You don't have to get nasty with me, Chumbawamba. I agree with much of what you say, that's why I never challenge you. I just have a more logical and manly approach to life. In the end, you will still end up as my bitch in my Harem, I'm just giving you a heads up.. It's all about love dude. That's the struggle and fight till the bitter end, I enjoy every minute of it and I've got all the time.
The Greeks deserve that they are poor - they are lazy, not productive, don't pay taxes and have lived way beyond their means. The result is, that their state is bancrupt, which is just.
The Germans also deserve that they are poor - because they are stupid sheeple believing that being export champion was benefitial for the average Hans and they do not recognize that their country is a occupied vassal and they do not recognize that they are electing politicians that do not serve the German people but USrael.
Ah, why yes, of course...it's the Jooooos again. Is that the best you've got?
No doubt that they for cliques to the detriment of Christian nations and businesses. Had it not been for Nuland we wouldnt be having gentile women and children blown apart by rockets and artillery in Donbass. Guess Nuland is following in the steps of her kin Allbright.
Everybody I talk to in Germany opposes our government and NATO policy vs. Russia and says they do no longer trust newspapers and TV. Guys that bring and pick up my boxes work 10 or 11 hours, are paid 9 hours and after taxes make just the rent for an average size flat in Hamburg. Their employers can select guys with "Abitur" (qualified for university), who are reliable and hard working.
@COSMOS, partly incorrect.
"Germany is going the way of Greece": Yes, this appears to be the plan of our lords, here in Germany but more so in the US. Germany has been largley sold out to Anlgosaxon "investors" or Arabian muzzies who need a place for their FED-printed fiat money or Petrodollars.
"The rich dont pay taxes by hiding their money in Panama": No, mainly large corporations who have the means to exploit loopholes, see also next point.
"The country gets starved of revenue": No, tax revenues have never been higher and have been rising constantly. Reason: The middle class still exists. Then the taxman profits from the increasing but underreported inflation.
"Their economy is in the crapper because of sanctions against Russia": Not yet, but severly harmed. More than the pro-war media reports. The master plan, however, is to severly damage the German-Russian relationship. Ther Germans will pay dearly for Obamas stupidity.
"merkel, hope the mob hangs you upside down in Berlin": Some hope so, but this B. is popular in Germany.
I wish someone in Diplomatic or Journalistic areas would take USA to the woodshed over too many non-local banking/Loan Links.
- USA is being Federalized, but also Wall Streetized
- Centralized Banking Power makes Villages Vulnerable
- Big Banks are Gobbling up Small Banks
it is over. This looks like the End:
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- It is 1 Minute to Midnight: Neo-Feudal Debt Slavery & nuke war
- Problem is Bankers, Politicians, Lawyers & Judges
- Failure of Self Regulation of Bankers, Politicians, Lawyers & Judges
- US Constitution is Usurped, Gone are Budget Powers, Legislative Powers, War Powers
- Money has taken over the Government, Banking, Universities, Science
- American Dream is over, Corruption is the same in all Countries now
- Old American Dream may serve as basis for new Country someday
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USA Bankers now Control 60% of the world, and 90% of the Developed World except China:
Repost: Here is proof who is the Power of the NWO:
December 2014 saw a Record, a New Record on a Long Trend in US Long Term Treasuries held by Foreign Countries.
- 2014 LT Treasuries held by Foreigners Total = $6.153 Trillion
- 2013 LT Treasuries held by Foreigners Total = $4.9 Trillion
I think this represents not only Hegemony over the world, but a concerted Strategy to implement a world Government based on Fealty to the State as ultimate authority through corporatism & finance, military protection for world trade, Open Border Treaties, Free Trade Treaties, and the Financial power of the USA & European Allies... which will merge into alliances with Asia, South America, and Australia.
Remember to add China and Hong Kong together for China Total.
http://www.treasury.gov/ticdata/Publish/shl2002r.pdf
http://www.treasury.gov/ticdata/Publish/shla2013r.pdf
(http://www.treasury.gov/ticdata/Publish/mfh.txt)
http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/international/intinv/iip_glance.htm
Last Data is from December 2014.
Belgium 2002 = $10.8 B, then 2013 = $163 B, Today $335 B
Bermuda 2002 = $14 B, then 2013 = $94 B, Today ??
Cayman Islands 2002 = $10.7 B, then 2013 = $66 B, Today ??
Canada 2002 = $8.4 B, then 2013 = $46.6 B, Today $69 B
China 2002 = $95 B, then 2013 = $1,272 B, Today $1244 B
France 2002 = $11 B, then 2013 = $42.4 B, Today $79.2 B
Germany 2002 = $38 B, then 2013 = $54 B, Today $72.7 B
Hong Kong 2002 = $37 B, then 2013 = $89 B, Today $172.6 B
India 2002 = $5.2 B, then 2013 = $56.6 B, Today $83 B
Ireland 2002 = $6 B, then 2013 = $91 B, Today $138.6 B
Japan 2002 = $260 B, then 2013 = $1,023 B, Today $1231 B
Luxemburg 2002 = $20.2 B, then 2013 = $107 B, Today $172 B
Mexico 2002 = $16.7 B, then 2013 = $52.7 B, Today $84.8 B
Norway 2002 = $5 B, then 2013 = $74 B, Today $81.6 B
Philippines 2002 = $3 B, then 2013 = $36 B, Today $40.6 B
Poland 2002 = $7 B, then 2013 = $31 B, Today $27 B
Russia 2002 = $3 B, then 2013 = $138 B, Today $86 B
Singapore 2002 = 19.4 B, then 2013 = $82 B, Today $110 B
Switzerland 2002 = $28 B, then 2013 = $157 B, Today $190 B
Taiwan 2002 = $0 B, then 2013 = $183 B, Today $175 B
Turkey 2002 = $2 B, then 2013 = $18 B, Today $77 B
United Kingdom = $45.7 B, then 2013 = $130.6 B, Today $189 B
The politics of Germany are driving more people towards increased poverty for a greater part due to reduced wages, age descrimination, etc..Employers seek only young workers who will work for peanuts leaving highly qualified, experienced workers over 30-35 on the street. Employers shove the financial, social burdens on the government.
Nürnberg for example has the highest proportion (in Germany) of taxi drivers who are academically / University graduates.
It is a spiral towards the bottom. Bottom meaning dependency for ever more once productive highly educated middle aged workers, on the government hand-outs and being socially ostracized.
I observe an increasingly growing public resentment, and the growing powerbase of the left.
Really? How comes that the taxes were higher in 2014 then ever? Germans and money hiding? I hope you're right.
We need to define poverty, some of the wealthiest folks I know are also the poorest in spirit.
Notice how East Germany is red. Pay attention Obammy!
Exactamundo!
Bavaria, a wonderfully staid conservative right wing gorgeous places on earth is one of the claenest and wealthiest.....
No Muzzies and loafers for you!
LOLLYGAGGERS
One Mississippi... Two Mississippi... IT'S A MIRACLE!
Classic clip. It is mystifying how you got down votes for that. Fuckin HuffPo retards I guess.
let's work on our cliches ~ LOL :-)
It seems you never have been to Bavaria.
White genocide is happening everywhere and Munich is the same sh.thole like Berlin, Paris or London.
There is no difference between the establishment parties. The only difference is in their economic way torwards world government. While the red ones lobby for mass immigration because of their retarded Marxist egalitarian ideology and their hate of White culture and nations, while the industrial-agricultural complex of the "consevative" parties is forming the other half of the vise by supporting mass immigration because of wage dumping and destroying social market economy.
Both sides are serving the neo-feudalist globalist agenda of the 1% equally well, while the voting-sheeple quarrel if the the red or the blue pill will be better for them personally.
If you want to see the future of white population of European Union and North America, check the present day South Africa.
Detroit gives you an accurate picture of the terminal phase of decay. At this point, you won't find any place anywhere in Europe that approximately compares to the squalor of those run-down shitholes similar to Detroit which the US has many of. The next place that comes close to downtown Detroit outside the US that I can think of is the slum of Nairobi*).
This has to do with the decay and/or lack of civilisation in the US which has become visible only after the postwar-pseudo-wealth machine has stopped to function. It is now entirely clear that the US is an enrichment scheme for the 0.1%. I conclude this from the terrific speed the middle class is vanishing with in the US.
The civic decay can be measured by a single number: The incarceration rate of the US that beats that of almost any other country in the world.
*) For CNN-viewers: This is close to Hongkong.
Politics follows biology.
I am afraid you are correct.
If S.A. is the model, then one can also observe, that our race even is kept under total control of the Jew, when it vanishes.
To me it seems the fate of the White nations and European culture was sealed on May 8th 1945.
The reality is that Bavaria is one of the most right-wing, criminally governed, backward states.
Lets look at the same map in a year, Bavaria will also be red. I think I know alittle about Bavaria as I live here..
Yelling at Obama won't do much good.
He has less than two years left and then it'll be sHitllery for eight years, or Jeb Bush, not that there's a dime's worth of difference between them.
Southern Germany is one of my favorite places on Earth. This was in the 70's when I was over there, remember going into the stubbe's during Octoberfest and in all of 'em tucked off in a corner would be a big oompah band, guys in Lederhosen, singing the Horst-Wessel song, teary eyed, swinging hands upward in salutes remembering the Good Olde Days. Actually felt pretty damned safe around those folks back then. In fact most of Europe was still European and civil, cuturally significant, clean and livable. Gone to shit since then with the spread of immigration, inclusiveness, cultural dumbing down and socialism. Gone to shit.
I concur. I walked through the main square of a small town near Dysseldorf last August and I heard at least 5 different lingos spoken.
Really? 5 lingos? That place has really gone to shit then! Were they all wealthy tourists off a cruise ship? Or waas there an international conference of dentists in town?
which languages then
Gone to shit is the neighborhood i grew up in. Seen it coming in the early 90s. Lots go tits up.
Are you lamenting about Germany or California. It sounds like the two are interchangable.
I'm willing to bet Gemany has an edge on Cali. This state has become an abominable shithole beyond recovery. If I were single, I'd be long gone.
Miffed
You had me there unitl " singing the Horst-Wessel song", my Grandfather fought in France ....
Don't worry. They have moved to Ukraine and are now, together with the locals, forming a solid right-wing sector. You can visit them in Galicia, just follow the runes. Poroshenko and Yatseniuk, both Jews, do not appear to have qualms to go along with these accomplished arians as does your government who helped these democrats into power.
Our media is held to call these paramilitary Nazi troops "volunteer battalions". Some have been decimated in Debaltsevo, however. Can't tell you how sorry I am about that.
knukles : true, all of Germany is going "gone to shit"....and to think that it is all self-inflicted !
Milken Von Bilken?
What's even considered "poverty" in Germany?
In USSA an Escalade with spinner rims plus free Obamafone is considered "poverty".
Also, it's pretty easy for poverty to increase by 40% if you're going from 5 people to 7. Just saying. How much poverty did Germany have to begin with?
I just figured out how poor I am. Even my dentist drives an Escalade.
Median income in Germany is about 32.000 Euro, so you are "poor" if you have less than about 20.000 Euro a year. But for 20.000 Euro or a little less a year you can have a pretty nice life here in Germany. In general you are considered poor if you have 50% or less of the median income, not 60% like in Germany. One of the main reason why more people are below that 20.000 Euro mark is simply the fact that more and more people in Germany are pensioners that don´t have so much real income anymore but live from money they saved over their work life. Actually the simple way this statistic is done (below 60% of median income and you´re poor) doesn´t tell much about reality in Germany.
There is always a schmuck like you to explain things away. Based on the history of your comments you would be BS like always.
Min. state pension in Germany is 750 Euros, regardless of how long someone worked or paid into it
That's very generous compared to other Western states
Germany is a cheap place to live compared to other parts in Europe, widespread industrial base and good infrastructure
In Europe there is no better place to live relatively cheap and make money. English is widely spoken as well.
I live in germany during the summers as my preferred European hqs location, love many many aspects of Germany, eg very modern infrastructure while preserving historical charm, very high quality everything including foods, excellent train and autobahn system, etc, etc.
BUT here are some negative apsects of living in Germany that greatly contribute to lowering your standard of living:
1. The cost of housing in Germany is ASTRONOMICAL compared to the USA or Canada, and so is the cost of electricity.
2. The income taxes in Germany are much HIGHER than in the USA, in part because there are no effective escape clauses as there are in the USA that allow you to reduce your effective iincome tax rate.
3. The VAT tax is absurdly high, eventhough there are European countries where the VAT tax is even more absurdly higher.
4. The cost of many goods in Germany, eg technology products, is absurdly higher than in the USA, eg the Korean big screen TV that I bought in the USA costs THREE TIMES as much in Germany, same for computers, etc - YIKES !!!
I live in the UK, have lived in the US and Germany
The German food retail market is the most competitive in Europe, at the cost of choice but...their electronics are the cheapest in Europe, housing is relatively cheap compared to UK, F, I etc
Yes, the Germans actually make you pay your taxes, but there are loopholes for the rich too. That is the reason the average Hans is so uncompremising with the tax evaders in Europe, they expect everyone to contribute
When it comes to taxes, you get what you pay for.
It's that simple.
I do not want to get parasite entitlement services from the politicians - I just want to keep what I earn and pay for the things that I want - I do not want to pay for other people's laziness and incomeptence, or politician's vote-buying programs.
Autobahn maintenance is a parasite entitlement?
You have heard of the concept of "the commons" right?
@ Prober
You´re so wrong in may of your points that i doubt you really lived here ever.
Housing is not more expensive in Germany compared to the US, it´s just different.
Income tax may be higher than in the US but you don´t pay extra for things like a school district fee and other nice taxes.
Certain goods like electronics are about 20% higer in price than in the US. You know VAT is about 20% .... Other goods like food is much cheaper here than in the US.
"Housing is not more expensive in Germany compared to the US, it´s just different."
Obviously YOU do not live in the USA or Canada !!!!!!!!!!
I own 3 homes in the USA and one in Canada, each is MUCH LARGER than my home in Germany on a MUCH LARGER lot and cost MUCH LESS than my home in Germany - and I shopped around plenty, the prices in Germany per ft-sq/m-sq are VERY MUCH higher. In USA it is VERY EASY to find homes on 5 to 10 acres, while in Germany you would have to buy a farm to get a lot that size.
Quality of construction in Germany is also higher, but I do not expect to live hundreds of years to benefit from the difference.
"I do not expect to live hundreds of years to benefit from the difference."
...says a $elfi$h cunt.
says a socialist parasite scumbag
Germany needs to learn from the US. We dumped all of the manufacturing and much of the technology to China and Inda. Everyone learned to skim money from stocks, collect welfare or workfor the government.
The US just prints and makes debt.
Kind of like the roaches of the world.
And the US is booming. Or at least that's what people are being told.
Very liberal immigration laws in Germany.
Still...Greece looks like the set up for a German exit from the euro to me not a "Grexit" as the media is portraying this all to be.
Remains to be seen if Germany will declare itself a nuclear power as well.
Von Moltke's rule is "the first move in your plan is what matters most." If it is a good move (France, 1940) then "all goes according to plan." If it is a bad move (Barbarossa, 1941) then there is no planning anymore.
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Germany: 16 million people below poverty line
I watched this happen in slow motion, having traveled to the same town in Rhineland-Pfalz for 20 years, 4 times a year. Slow crapification of everything. Small stores and botiques closing and replaced with Aldis. I was amazed how little the workers were paid, which was always explained away with "free healthcare, free college, blah blah". Of course, Frankfurt, where the bankers live, looks Palo Alto in comparison.
That's exactly what I'm talkin' about.
Unfortunately, those days are gone forever.
They were good days.
When I was living in London during the 70's every Sunday at the top (NE corner near Oxford Street/Park Lane) of Hyde Park was a place called Speaker's Corner. Anybody was free to go there and say what they wanted... soap boxes and all. And the cops were there to protect the speakers. Yep, a different time, what? And one of the groups every week was called "ZPG", Zero Population Growth, talking about stopping the mass procreation and how it was gonna fuck everything up, world wide, every last dimension and metric, from culture and tradition to natural resources, pollution. They were looked upon a crazy fuckers, Luddites. And for some reason, it made sense to me, way deep down inside... just simple common sense. That man was the limiting leech upon the globe. The self-destructing parasite.
Sure enough.....
I saw that back in '92. The company I was working for put me up the Cadogan on Sloane St. for three friggin weeks. Those were good days.
BTW, in 3 weeks I never saw a head scarf or burqua.
Do they even measure poverty in the UK? London is pretty decent but for the rest... how do people survive?
Sad to see such an industrious, and proud people turned out like this (you to Japan)
Violence...violence...its the only thing that will make them see sence..
Ian Hunter..
I think the rich and bankers are killing the golden goose....only so long before some one figures out how to organize the hatred and payback is a bitch. Can sight alot of example throught history things change quickly
German "Engineering"
Government, being nothing more than a syndicate of plunder and violence, can only produce four things: Poverty, misery, death, and lies. All indicators to the contrary are illusionary.
The banksters need to repay us.
My guillotine laughed all the way to the banksters.
Germany’s Collective Denial https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4Wd-FFABOQ
Feb 21, 2015 TheRealNews
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clasic control mech. killing for power.
just givwe it up
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Good thing the public media-defined discussion is being done in a perverse neo-liberal framework. The "haves" are merely being rewarded by providence.
Good thing for the German overlords that Greece is doing such a "good job" at looking like they're the problem. Divide and conquer works all kind of ways. The majority of the German "poor" are probably morons snarling at primitive social identity wedge issues . . . just like here.
But much as the neo-royals of the world want to make this appear as if it is a problem of one country--a concept they really have no loyalty to whatsoever--or another country, it's about Wall Street and its monkeys worldwide:
http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/02/20/greece-germany-and-global-finance/
Bavaria should break off as an independent country.
Bavaria is one place I'd visit. Catholic German women, nuff said.
'Germany' WAS a plethora of smaller countries for mush of its existence. Only with its 'unification' under the more military minded Prussians did you have 'Germany' in volved in really large European wars. Up until the mid 19th century the German states were relatively minor players limited by their size......
Germany exists since 1200 years and has always been one of the major powers in Europe. Seems you never touched a history book. Sorry, you probably touched a Greek history book, explains much.
The Franks yes, but certainly not the krauts east of the Rhine.
It is about time everyone realized the Euro is not fucking working.
Everybody knows that (except most of the european citizens), but since the Euro is a tool in the hands of an oligarchy (as you know, the ECB is a corporation integrated mostly by private banks and even banks of countries that doesn't use the Euro as their currency) and the European Union is ruled by a bounch of people not elected by the european citizens, of course this "élite" would do anything to keep things as they are. Why wouldn't they, if the people of Europe allow them to so easily?
It's almost the same with the FED. The great USA doesn't own its central bank. So Central Banks of these countries are powerful instruments in the hands of an élite of bankers to force government decisions according to their interests instead of being a tool of Economics and Policy for governments.
As it is, voting it's just burocracy.
College students are able to understand it.
"Everybody knows that (except most of the european citizens)"
Do you reall think so? Now frrom where did you get your most?
Europe and the US seem to be the only ones importing their poverty through the treasonous actions of their "elected" gubbermints. The term "poverty" is also how you define and implement it. Bring in 3rd world people and put them on the dole is one way to create those vital statistics. The other way is to tax and regulate those that are productive into it.
BULLSEYE !!!!!!!!!!!! +1,000,000
USA will be soooooooooo much better off after it imports the poverty of latin america /sarc
Having traveled within Germany on business, my experiences reflect others' here at ZH.
I was in a state of shock, in a way, during my last visit there in '08. Aldi's stores all over the place (this was in the Rhineland), and there was a collective 'ho-hum' attitude amongst many of the locals.
My hosts (I stayed with a family while there, husband worked for the machine tool company I was visiting) were shocked, in a way, when I described how my wife and kids live, here in the States. We're frugal people for the most part, and live in a modest late-40's house on a small lot, but have the typical charcoal grill by the back porch, two cars in the driveway, etc., typical American family of four. Upper-middle-class to Americans is roughly equivalent to well-off in a place like modern Germany, sans the workplace protections and retirement bennies typical of a socialist country. Our kids are home-schooled, which really impressed them, as that is illegal in Germany.
Germany has experienced a lot of the same fate as other industrialized nations, in the last 20 years or so. I've come to the conclusion (especially after reading ZH for a few years) that much of the West will experience roughly the same, bad fate in the next ten years, or so.
Germany is missing out on the opportunities that home schooling offers and how it actually benefits the state in many ways.
The American middle class you're describing has the cars financed, the house is built from beaver barf and there is nothing to retire from. Health care is crazy expensive and wipes out many middle class retirees when there savings are spent on treatments.
Aldi is actually the best grocery store chain in Europe right now. They're successful because they are cheap and their products have quality. The cost of living in Germany is much lower than in the US and the Germans get to enjoy REAL FOOD, not Frankenfood filled with chemicals and GMOs.
Did you notice that the majority of the cars on roads are late models and not some crap that should have been left in the ditches 20 years ago?
Economically I would also argue that there is more opportunity to do business in Europe, especially in Germany than in the US right now.
Aldi's in Germany (at least the ones I have been in) don't have quality produce. Better than in the US but the cost of produce/goods US is also cheaper too You do generally get what you pay for in regards to produce at a commerical grocery store chain.
Greece is eating all their sauerkraut.
Well what does poverty mean? You just have to have an income of around 50 % of the average wages. The average wage in Germany is according to : http://de.statista.com/themen/293/durchschnittseinkommen/ around 3700 € for a full time jobs So in that regard you are poor if you just earn 1850 € / month. It very depends on where you live on how much that is. Maybe one can provide us numbers with renting a 70 square metre room in Montana and the same in New York. And maybe one can calculate the above figures for the "poverty" in the US. I doubt it will look much better.
If you just look at the figures of the income of the state through taxes. Germany hit an all time-high last year. So it can't be that extreme with poverty. How should pauper people being able to pay that much? Wel maybe they get poor over it, but that's the fault of our "politicians" and still the biggest problem still remains unsolved. How comes that we still to have 2.2 trilllion of debt (official)?
How comes that our streets and infrastructure is breaking down, how comes that we can not even defend ourselves with our army and how comes that less an less crimes are cleared up? The poverty meant here is relative and it's so very comfortable for any redistributors. And the solution is so simple. Just get rid of the 10 % hight income tax payers and the poverty goes down to half of it's current value. Sorry, that statistis is just propaganda, I'm surprised that the author does not have checked from whom the data has coem and does not have looked up the meaning of poverty really.
And even worse you do not ask who has published this figures, you just take something from a green poltiician as truth. Well that's really poor investigated.
;-(
Yes but the German banks are saved (but don't mention the derivatives)
The poor German is a Turk.
Dup
You know it, man.
Actually, the Latvians, Russian and others travel to Germany for Jobs. I saws some Russians Farming and Latvians doing Nanny work.
I assume that Lithuanians, Estonians, Polish, and other also move to Germany.
I drank with a Polish Guy & his buddies with his Dutch Girl Friend one night after meeting a Polish woman waitressing in a bar. The Waitress seemed to want to visit me in the States... but was sort of weird being my age already.
Nothing breeds poverty like one parent households as the article testifies. Just read that only 30% of black teens have both mother and father in household. White privilege comes down to having 2 parents in same house. Shameful white privilege.
They say they are single so they can collect the welfare and other benefits for the kids, trust me the bum father lives there also.
Many are accused of scamming the government support in Germany, but the reality is that the politics force this and other abuses by victims of the system. Outwardly trying to display inclusion while inwardly descriminating severely. Above all in the employment market. Why ? To appear competitive and to export more.
See the Propaganda for Germany, UK, EU, PIIGS, is the same as in the USA.
We are all the same Globally (Europe & USA). They want the USA workers to be as poor as Europe from 1960-1990s. They want Investment in Europe as poor as in the PIIGS. And now the USA has Joined them since the high in Worker Rights and Wages in the 1970s, to the Flat US Wages since 1979.
This was the purpose behind CAFTA-DR & NAFTA. There are many treaty Agreements with China and throughout Asia for the same purpose. But while big contracts are made for Energy, Water, Utilities which lead to higher cost of living for the common man... wages are controlled and limited through outsourcing contracts for construction, dams, roads, highways, energy, ports and more. Unfortunately local manufacturing of appliances & Electronics in South America has not really reached the top level.
Weekly and hourly earnings data from the Current US Population Survey
Series Id: LEU0252881600
Series title: (unadj)- Constant (1982-84) dollar adjusted to CPI-U- Median usual weekly earnings, Employed full time, Wage and salary US workers (Both Sexes)
Year Qtr1 Qtr2 Qtr3 Qtr4 Annual
1979 339 334 325 328 332
1980 324 314 315 317 318
1981 317 311 304 314 312
2012 337 335 329 336 335
2013 334 333 330 337 333
2014 339 328 332
Constant Dollars, Weekly Earning same in 1979 as 2014.
let's have another round of sanctions, mutti merkel.
Much of the poverty and the reason Germany is being dragged down is caused by the same problem afflicting Britain.
The mass invasion and occupation by Eastern Europe.
Millions of gypsies with huge families have turned up - all leeches on both German and British taxpayers.
We are talking tens of billions here.
The eastern Europeans are exporting their poor, disabled and unemployed, tens of millions.
Poland - probably nearing a million and a half in Britain - God knows how many in Germany.
350.000 Hungarians in London alone.
A million plus roumanian - be even more in Germany apparently.
Million of Bulgarians between the two.
Latvians, Lithuanians, Estonians .
And each case Germany and Britain - tens more thousands probably arriving every month. They don't even count them
Britain has the highest birth rate in Europe and its admitted immigrant - both muslim and eastern European - driven
They are bleeding Britain and by looks of it Germany dry.
They can take generous full benefits as of right and demand our social housing and because they have numerous kids get priority.
Free movemnt within the EUSSR - and the population is unable to stop them and the politicians won't.
Watch the British election.
people here are sick of it.
Millions and millions in just a few years - and more and more and more - whole towns are turning Eastern European and whole eastern European villages are emptying to come.
Polish our second language.
That is the price you payed for moving NATO to the front door of Russia, they will bleed you dry just like Ukraine will be the final nail in your coffin. Enjoy the downfall suckers.
These comment sections are going to shit.
What are you talking about, there were some great educated comments here from people with first hand experience living in Germany and Europe.
don't believe everything you read here.
people lie and make up shit.
Well why don't you f*ck off then?
do you believe that?
I lived in Augsburg for 5 years. 40 Km West of Munchen or Munich in English. Housing and utilities are outrageous compared to the USA. All of my German friends rented and lived well. I did love the local markets and indeed to quality of goods sold at the grocery store were higher then here in the USA at these markets. I am not sure about now but when I lived there you did not see all of the plastic bottles and packaging. They used real bottles you paid a deposit on and returned for a refund or used for the next round of bought drinks. The country was clean and I mean real clean the Germans did not toss litter all over the place. I loved going to the store to pick up freash baked goods without all the preservatives in them.
Germany and most countries are not compatible with the USA lifestyle. Americans are not going to go down to the store on a daily baisis or every two days to buy fresh items, they prefer processed food. Beef was real high but pork was real cheap.
My friends drove older vehicles because driving is expensive when compared to the USA. Americans would revolt if they had to pay 2500 US dollars to take a driving class and get their license. Hell Americans would revolt at the standards to do almost anything in Europe. Your vehicles would not be rust buckets with primer all over them and be on a road in Germany. My friends took very good care of their vehicles because the cost of new ones were high. I can remember dreading every annual vehicle inspection that took an hour to complete. They put your vehicle on a dyno and brake machines and poked the under carriage with sharp tools to see if they would puncture the body. I forget the price but I think it was 100 bucks for this inspection.
Germany does have the best roads bar none in Europe though.
I loved having my beer delivered to my front door like the milkman used to do here!!!!
GCT wrote: "Housing and utilities are outrageous compared to the USA. All of my German friends rented and lived well." Exactly. Buying is expensive, renting the norm, in Germany
on the other side, housing is heavely subsidized, in the US. there is no other term describing it. the state throws lots of money at it, and banks skim "their" part out of it
the risk of housing price appreciation/depreciation, on the other side, is carried by the individual "home owner"
true: "Americans would revolt at the standards to do almost anything in Europe" and "Germany and most (EU? )countries are not compatible with the USA lifestyle"
The "purpose" of the IRS is to provide, through its reporting requirements, a road map for asset stripping the country. "immigration reform" is designed to dilute opposition to local asset stripping
Importing unskilled foreigners is not paying off for the average German? Color me shocked.
Their government needs to declare war on this issue, it worked in the....wait.