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Prominent French Journalist Calls For France-Germany-Russia Alliance
With the Ukraine civil war - courtesy of the constant prodding of the US State Department - inching ever closer to an all out military confrontation with Russia, and further escalation in terms of western sanctions on the Kremlin, as well as even more acute countermeasures and retaliation by Russia, increasingly more in Europe are asking themselves the question, if not in those exact words, "if the US said to fuck the EU, then why should the EU allign with the US?"
One person doing just that is prominent and controversial French writer and political journalist Eric Zemmour, who on Friday said that France and Germany, following the historical tradition, should work on forming an alliance with Russia.
"NATO is doing its utmost to present Russia as an enemy of the West and thereby justify its existence," Zemmour wrote in Le Figaro Magazine. "Fortunately, France and Germany in due time blocked Ukraine’s accession to NATO, and that’s a positive fact," the journalist said.
"Now when they finally coordinated their positions on establishing relations with Moscow, they should not stop halfway and should move towards forming a tripartite alliance with Russia," he said, recalling numerous efforts in the past by "kings, emperors and presidents" of the three countries to set up such an alliance.
As further cited by Tass, such a bloc "will be the only chance for Europe to get rid of the United States protectorate and become, in the words of General de Gaulle, a ‘Free Europe’."
"An alliance with Russia is absolutely necessary to fight against Islamists in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Mali, Central African Republic, Nigeria, Pakistan and Afghanistan, where these extremists are trying not only to erase all the traces of a Western and Christian presence, but to pave the way for carrying the war into the European territory," Zemmour added.
Sounds crazy? Maybe, but then again just 2 years ago anyone suggesting that a Grexit is inevitable, was branded as a conspiracy theory sociopath and prepped for burning at the Brussels stake. Now, it is all but a done deal.
So when looking at the future of Europe, will it be this:
or this:
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"...will be the only chance for Europe to get rid of the United States protectorate and become, in the words of General de Gaulle, a ‘Free Europe’."
Dead man walking.
Another French opportunist.
That deal would be good for France when Germany surprisingly exits the Euro before Greece.
Oh, hey, Merkel, Hollande and Putin are all the same height!
Whoaoooo....
Is Merkel saying how big her tits are in the second photo?
And Obama is straight throwing up the "Heil Hitler" sign there
Yeah, she's just reminding Vlad of what he's missing out on.
Finally, an European who makes some sense. Russia should be naturally aligned with Germany and France since, ....drum roll please.... they share the same super continent. It is Amerika, to borrow a Sesame Street, one of these things is not the same as the other, one of these things, doesn't belong....
Yeah but then there are these stay behind forces called gladio, mostly rightwing extremist controlled by NATO.
Ready to put some terror in the EU.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Gladio
Aight;
Let's get a DeadPool going on Zemmour;
I'll say Aug 12, and for the tie-breaker they go with the old stand-by, thrown from a tall building.
. . . .nailgunnailgunnailgunnailgunnailgun . . . .
...to the back of the head, twice.
"one of these things is not the same as the other, one of these things, doesn't belong...."
How could they say that about Obama!?
The German Russian economic axis is by far the most natural and beneficial for Europe. Energy and resource rich, and under developed Russia, and Germany industrial leader and desperate for cheap energy and resources to fuel their economy.
A German Russian peace pact, and economic alliance is natural and would guarntee there will never be a European war. The two joined in economic alliance, but still soverign states, they can negotiate for deals and Russia's 140 million person market can grow to German benefit.
Why does the USA pay Nazis in Ukraine? Why foment war and fascism? Because the USA can not tolerate two free peoples joing to grow economically and joined to ensure peace. Russia invades nobody in agreement with German keeping to themselves. These two together make peace that even the USA can't break.
Yes, the evil empire fears this above all. Peace is bad. Prosperity is bad. This is what the Washington whore house of zionists has brought our once great nation to. Washington is a cancer on our country. Zionism is the evil that dwells in Washington.
US has no productivity left as its base. Without war and complex finance, there is no North American economy.
We'll see if the common population can change things (eventually, over the next few generations). North American leadership cannot.
According to Jim Willi, the US plan to grow their toxic infested GMO crops in east Ukraine and export them into the EU. He also said that in December 2014, a mass grave of approx 3.000 bodies were discovered in a forest near Kiev. The bodies had their organs removed. Willi believed that the organs were flown into Zurich airport 3 or 4 times a week. Could these be the bodies of LPR/DPR POWs and Ukraine Army draft dodgers ? You just know that Israel are all over this one!! http://youtu.be/sBg21ETTeXs 1hr 44mins in.
US is not dead, it needs a gold old Ron Paul type of revolution. If the US can get that, people will be surprised who fast America comes back (and I am not American).
If it could've - it would've...
I think you are being too pessimistic (and I am not American either).
The US has abundant natural resources (apart possibly oil), a long-term entreprenial and democratic culture,
and a population size that is not large compared to both size and resources.
And historically didn't particularly like debt.
But, since the 1960's the US has lived way beyond its (considerable) means, using debt and reserve currency status
Further, it got the idea that it needed to be the world's policeman, and grew a ridiculus MIC
to support that policing.
So, two ideas to start:
1. The only defence you need is enough to do a great deal of harm to any potential aggressor - see Switzerland.
A few hundred (not thousands) of nukes would do that, and then (as a _start_) you could put a line through 80% of the rest of the Defence budget pork barrel...particularly if the US kept out of other people's wars.
2. Strongly discourage debt: Germany makes it difficult to borrow more than 60% of the appraised value of residential property - maybe take their idea...
Watson
hey Jack, if it's so fucking great for them why hasn't it happened already... why do those numbskulls keep looking at each other over walls and through gunsights when they could be living in peace and love and swapping sisters with each other... seriously, it's all supposed to be so fucking easy to pull off, why hasn't it happened already?
I'll tell you why, because those sonsabitches hate each other and one wouldn't piss on the other if they were on fire, that's why... most Germans think Russians are useless drunken mongrels that, ideally, would be wiped from the fucking earth... the Russians, of course, know this and return the disdain in kind... you really expect these people to work together in peace and harmony with skittles and flying unicorns for all? that's delusional...
look you idiots... when I get this many down votes and no counter to my argument, all you've done is prove you're being emotional and that you have no counter... admit it, I'm right, fucking deal with it
Unortunately, Poland is in middle and to be your fall guy again? They wll not be kicked aound in my opinion. And guess whose southern border is --Ukraine. How about them apples!! Milestones
The Black Sea?
I think she's indicating that they are halfway to being witch's tits.
No.
Merkel: "My balls are THIS big!"
No, her balls
Germany can never leave the Euro.
The best Germany can do is to realign the nations that can participate; like Poland.
If Germany goes back to its currency, no one will afford Germany goods.
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If Germany goes back to its currency, no one will afford Germany goods.
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In the days of the DEM (which only ever got stronger), everybody
said the same. Germany went from burnt-out shell to economic superpower.
If Germany goes back to the DEM, maybe they sell a few less Mercedes, etc., and their
very low unemployment rate goes up slightly.
They keep democracy, food and fuel continue to be imported, etc.
If Greece/Spain/Portugal go back to their currencies, they get chaos
and probably military governments.
Watson
Few Mercedes?
So, explain these to us:
Frigates, tanks and submarines: Greece may be teetering on the brink, but the bite of austerity hasn’t come near its military. And Germany is profiting from it.
http://www.voxeurop.eu/en/content/article/1383501-greece-still-splashes-out-billions-defence
Germany's export market isn't just Greece, or even Europe...it is the entire planet.
So even if every last German export to Greece stopped, the overall effect on Germany would
be quite small.
As I said, maybe a return to the DEM (which, BTW, I expect in the end) will push up
German unemployment slightly.
But the effect of the anchor of the EUR saying 'bye-bye' will be devastating on the
weaker EUR-countries.
The strongest reason Germany might stay in the EUR for a while longer is actually Merkel herself.
She really believes in the United States of Europe project, and would be quite happy to spend lots
more of her taxpayers' money to try to force the project through. She was brought up with the extreme (East German)
collective guilt for WW2, and feels she has to continuously pay reparations.
Why do you think the CAP never gets properly reformed - it pays France for the occupation.
But in the end Merkel's party will replace her - either when the EUR bills from other countries get too large (perhaps not Greece, but maybe Spain or Italy), or when her party gets sufficently scared of AfD.
Watson
I think you will appreciate this minute
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C0JkSmoyYIY“#t=17m41s”
Actually, I thought it was quite interesting.
Mostly post WW1 Keynsian interventionist policy, spoken by a very plausible,
personable guy.
Trying to be constructive:
1. I agree with him that if Germany goes back to the DEM it will be because it (Germany) wants
to, not because Greece drops out of the EUR-zone.
2. But he (implictly) makes the mistake, repeated many times on ZH as well as in the wider world, of assuming
that if Germany (in his example also including Austria, Netherlands, etc) pull out of
EUR-zone, then those countries will suffer deflation (true), but in
some way it will be equal to the problems suffered by Southern Europe.
That last _equality_ bit is _just not true_.
Germany (as I said above) would remain a democracy, continue to be
able to import food and fuel, etc.
Maybe a few % points increase in unemployment.
Greece, Spain, Portugal get no fuel, no imported food.
Total chaos, like in central Europe immediately post WW2.
In those circumstances, and the post WW2 history, and recent growth of the political right,
there is a _very good chance indeed_ that they get military governments.
Watson
the nanosecond Merkel is gone the EU experiment is done... watch and see
I agree but don't see it happening soon.
She is very popular, and the costs of her extreme guilt-feelings are not so large on each German citizen (who almost certainly has a job, generally feels good, and may even share some of her guilt-feelings).
Personally, I think it implodes when one of the bailouts (for Greece, Spain, Italy, France, who knows) needs a unanimous vote from all EU-parliaments.
The Netherlands doesn't really care about the United States of Europe project (just wants free trade).
And doesn't have guilt over WW2-behaviour.
And thinks Southern Europe is an expensive waste of space.
So votes against...
Watson
Well...ignoring the psychotic record of these three Great Powers all I have to say is, well...of course someone from France would think this a great idea!
De Gaulle obviously would not approve. He needs a Germany far weaker than she currently is. Plus he has a Heebdo problem. Of course De Gaulle is now an Aircraft Carrier heading off to bomb ISIS...which, well...THAT IS DE GAULLE.
I don't know what's going on with Great Britain this go around.
Obviously the only reason the USA is even in Europe is because zee Germans, zee French and Zee Russians are always up to something that no one in their right kind thinks is a good idea...least of all "Europa."
The Euro, along with all that GATT crap, destroyed southern european industries (yes, they existed), and who gained? The Germans.
After we where betrayed by our vice-roys ..er... national politicians, and the euro entered our economies, it had the effect of a real weapon of economical mass destruction avant la lettre. All production was destroyed or bought by, among others, the germans.
After that (besides suffering real inflation of some 30% in the entering year) it all resumed to lending from everyone, above all the germans, to buy to everyone, above all the germans.
I cant blame them for pursuing their national interest but I blame our politicians for their betrayal, and I blame my people and myself for bein naive and believe in the European Scam ..er... project.
One thing is certain: Germans are no Leaders. When they had the leadership they behaved like the barbarians they still are. the Brits are nothing but snakes who cant be trusted. That leaves us the Russians. they are European and they have leadership. If we all gout out of the Euro, in southern europe, expect us to go straight to the eurasian union.
After all, we cant be blamed for also pursuing our national interest.....
Sad but true.
Now pardon me while I go back to watching in the movie "The Searchers." That's America's role in all this in my view.
HISTORICALLY speaking of course.
Of course who isn't an Uncle Adolf these days?
A good post which I think clarifies a great many issues. As an English person I can absolutely confirm your observation re the Brits. I have long been convinced that a secret protocol was agreed around the end of WW2, which basically says that the UK will always support and follow the lead of the US in financial and foreign policy directions. As a consequence of this, every govt we've had since c. 1950 has had it's collective head jacked up the arse of whoever was running the show in DC. It goes without saying that this has been to the great detriment of the vast majority of UK citizens ever since. All the disasters in the Middle East are traceable to US dropping the hammer on the UK at the time of Suez and the ME has gone downhill ever since. Only Harold Wilson had the balls to tell LBJ that the UK would not get involved in the adventure in 'Nam, and the rejection of the Syria project by the UK parliament caused severe embarassment for Camoron & co. Outside of this we are collectively fucked since the UK will continue to try and undermine the EU at every turn of the way and will support the US regardless of our national interest.
Really? You think the UK is subservient to the USA? Well, maybe, but not London. London is Brittanica and Brittanica rules all. Zionism was born and bred in London (with, surprisingly, strong support from Sydney of all places). The US oligarchs who (massively) profited from the Nazi slave camps were all majority owned by, you guessed it, London bankers.
So while it looks like the UK is kissing up to the US the truth is that those appearances are purely for show. London says "jump" and Washington simply asks, "with nukes or without?"
I'm from SE Europe, long familly history dealing with people from UK. My Grandpa's stories full of Brits who were rough, resourceful, cunning and steadfast. He also belived them to be of high morals and fine style.
The ones I deal with today have little of such. Some are smart alright, but most don't seem interests in standing up for principles and tying hard to avoid trouble. They will however save any extra Euro they can (like the rest of us), which is understandable. Working with them is not hard but they are not someone I'd follow.
Either way, it is the end of the dollar.
Wrong. It's good for the dollar.
And don't forget it: Euro is an American plan.
Tactically yes. Strategically no.
Nein. Germany would have to print DMs like crazy to bail out DB's bad derivative bets.
Or, they could just let it fall...
Supply and demand meet at a place called price.
the last thing Germany needs is another alliance with France, they were the initiators of the Euro just to break the back of the DM, they have been living off EU agricultural subcidies for decades, virtually all of the EU organisations are in France or french speaking locations and most of the middle management in the EU are French
Germany needs to be in a Northern Euro, and cut ties with the French
A regular guy's anecdotal insight of Hollywood doing their job.
John Wick (Keanu) - kills Russian bad guys
Equalizer (Denzel) - kills Russian bad guys
Seems all we need now is to wrap ourselves in patriotism and allow A'Merika to send the geratric, roided Stallone to Ukraine.
fighting Russia on their doorstep, sounds like a good idea
5000 nuclear war heads, world class missile technology, 140 million people and China is backing them
Yeah I see nail guns in his future
Excatly. The gaunlet has been thrown down!
"Dead man walking."
LOL. Car accident, plane crash, cancer, stroke, heart attack, scandal & suicide, ... what's your pick?
He's going to end up with a free install of "Boston Brakes" brand brakes.
"Boston Brakes. Accelerating Stops."
The banksters need to repay us.
"such a bloc "will be the only chance for Europe to get rid of the United States protectorate and become, in the words of General de Gaulle, a ‘Free Europe’ "
This implies that Europeans have absolutely no underfstanding of actual freedom.
Murkin freedom is having your crotch grabbed while your wife and children are groped at the airport and the NSA listens to your phone calls and reads your emails. Fuck Yeah!
Murkin freedom is having your crotch grabbed while your wife and children are groped at the airport and the NSA listens to your phone calls and reads your emails. Fuck Yeah!
Aaahhh! Flashbacks of Chirac, Schroeder, and Putin standing side to side in Moscow, in opposition the invasion of Iraq.
If I recall correctly, Rumsfeld dismissed them as "Old Europe". How I miss those good old days.
And what a debacle the "liberation" of Iraq turned out to be.
But as your boy Rummy says: stuff happens
hell will freeze over and the devil will wear ice skates before France, Germany, and Russia agree on anything... especially anything they're expected to do together... what a fucking joke, I expect nothing less from some fifth column French "journalist"...
someone tell Merkel that if she gets in bed with those two we're going to send GWB over there to rub her back again... don't try us bitch, we'll fucking do it and you know it...
Completely overlooking the very real possibility that Putin WANTS NOTHING TO DO WITH EITHER OF THEM.
No, Putin indeed is open for an Eurasian trade union. In fact, it's the main reason for him to stay that calm.
On the other hand, if Europe tends to go that way US (and islamic freedom fighters) will go for an all out war.
USA hasn't called the shots on anything since 2010 - they're owned. It looks to me like America is no longer useful, so I think the One Bank has turned its back on DC which is now being gradually neutered. (Softly softly catchee monkey.) US leadership can scream for war all it likes but it can't get people to fight for them. Only way the US gets its global war is if China allows that, and I don't see any appetite for it, quite the contrary. Everything is going to be about trying to re-start global production in the next few years.
I think the likelier plan is that China spends the next couple of years continuing to reposses and buy everything of use in America, gradually converting the population to renters and slaves. War is what the MSM wants us to worry about right now but it isn't the real threat. Instead, becoming China's bitch and the consequent growing police state are what the North American population should be concerned about - along with the North American balkanisation that may be coming up next. America is about to understand that the 20th century is over.
Found a couple of interesting articles in Mosaic magazine:
Elliott Abrams, "What the President Thinks He's Doing":
http://mosaicmagazine.com/response/2015/02/what-the-president-thinks-hes...
Michael Doran, "Obama's Secret Iran Strategy":
http://mosaicmagazine.com/essay/2015/02/obamas-secret-iran-strategy
Both of these were featured on the Council for Foreign Relations website. Reading thru them, it seems to me that they aren't really so much about Barky's incompetence, but rather a growing frustration and anger at the inevitability of sharing power in a future multipolar world. From Doran's essay:
<<What distinguishes Obama is the ideological aversion to American power and the formulation of a strategy whose overriding impetus is to constrain that power. The scandal is not that the administration has kept this a secret but that a supine press and intellectual class have failed—“declined” may be the better (if much too polite) word—to explain it to the American people.>>
I also think Barky is toast. I think he's going to be removed from his position: first his key advisors, then him. I'm a little - a lot - worried about who gets installed in his place.
to quote one of my favorite idiots on this board, "useless talkings"
It's not about whether Putin likes them personnaly. The Great Game needs a victor, and perfidious albion needs to be incented to exit the EU faster than Greece... This war has been going on for almost 200 years and makes Bushy & Barry's Afghan Adventure (the longest in US history) look faster than the Six Day War.
What would this look like?
A Wiemeraner and a Wolf gang banging a poodle?
""An alliance with Russia is absolutely necessary to fight against Islamists in Syria, Libya, Iraq, Mali, Central African Republic, Nigeria, Pakistan and Afghanistan, where these extremists are trying not only to erase all the traces of a Western and Christian presence, but to pave the way for carrying the war into the European territory,""
WIKI
Éric Zemmour was born in Montreuil (today in Seine-Saint-Denis) on August 31, 1958, to an Algerian Jewish[2][3] family that came to Metropolitan France during the Algerian War.[4] He identifies as a Jew of Berber origin,[5] and above all as a French Jew. He grew up in Drancy and later in the Paris district of Château Rouge.[6] The son of Roger Zemmour, a paramedic, and his wife Lucette, a housewife,[6] he has said he admires his mother and grandmother: his father was often absent, and he was actually raised by women "who taught [him] to be a man.
Quel surprise ~ (rolls eyes)
His father, being a paramedic, was probably competent to circumcise him, which is preferrable "if the father knows how", as it is written.
Jew, oh how I had known that before I even read it?! lol
Did this "prominent French journalist" stare down the tube of an RPG that had just been fired at him or see bodies floating by his posh suite window in the French Quarter like Brian Williams did?
Neither. He stayed at a Holiday Inn Express one time while his wife ordered them the continental breakfast for room service & the poached eggs were runny.
There's an invisible jihadist hiding behind every rock (& if not, by gum, we'll manufacture some by ourselves & make these film crews & crisis actors earn their pay)!
don't forget greece and turkey.
Hey I got a great idea.. why doesn't everybody on the planet just get along and form one big fair trade union.., damn tower of babble
Eurasia can never come together. US financial system and the dollar implode.
Isn't that the idea? To eventually get the Globo?
Never say never.
They can take turns beating up the French.
Something has to humble DC back to reality and maybe this will do it.
We are getting too close to Orwell's 1984 vision for my liking. We are all human beings. We are not cattle being fed and prepared for slaughter, are we?
We have lost many "rights" through the years and slowly people are accepting the DC way as they do not know any better. That is the sad state of where we allowed ourselves to be.
I am not in favor of murdering a family or anyone because I do not share the views of that family's neighbor, Washington, its snipers, drones, constant survellance is guilty of murdering the innocent. Like Obama supposedly said, "We tortured some folks".
America wake up, before it is too late. There are more important things in life than having the biggest guns and banks.
All are anatomically modern H. sapiens, very few are human.
Cue the Flase Flag attack on Le Figaro...?
If they're not conveniently located next to the deli, then I think they'll be OK.
De Gaulle (whose grave Putin apparently visited last year) must be glad, wherever he nay be.
poor timing. nail guns are on sale next week.
French-Mossad H/Q
'Get the Charley Hebrew guy who oft the lead investigator on the blower'.
If the French are willing to kill or allow the Mossad to kill their top cops , well . . .
"...just 2 years ago anyone suggesting that a Grexit is inevitable, was branded as a conspiracy theory sociopath and prepped for burning at the Brussels stake. Now, it is all but a done deal."
I don't think it is "all but a done deal". It is entirely possible but from the interim settlement last Friday, I'd say that Syriza hasn't got the stomach to propose such a thing to the Greek people, who in any case, wish to remain in the E-zone. There's a way to go and Greece will have to suffer more rape and pillage of its assets by the Troika and its bankster masters before the Greeks wake up.
If Greece were to leave the EURO zone the EURO zone would disintegrate. Not immediately, but as soon as either Spain or Italy choose the same way. To not let the role model arise the EU will do everything they possibly can to keep Greece in. Any assertions to the contrary are just smoke and mirrors
Exactly, cwsuisse.
I wonder if Syriza took this into acoount in their negotiations last week. They had more leverage than they may have thought.
The land of the free won't like a free Europe.
Hahaha, fancy seeing ZH quote Zemmour.
Well, its line with Tea party logic. I'll give you that. Populist muck raking.
Why not quote Brasillach or Celine while you are at it ! Notice that both loved the same moldy politics of national fascism but detested each other cordially.
Birds of a feather ideologically; Brasillach loved Hitler's rise to racial purity and aryan supremism. Then, in those days of the 30s, the smell of despotism and 'bogey man' chasing was the rage in Europe.
And Zemmour is of that ilk. Hates the foreigner and the emancipated Woman. Imagine that! The smell of French apology for neo-fascism.
As for De Gaulle... to make him look as Petain's ideological successor...
Nope, I don't buy Zemmour.
As for the rest, with or without Zemmour, the geopolitics of today, its a race to bottom.
There are no just men today. No nations who exemplify progress in the West.
An alliance with Putin, to nullify the Pax Americana hegemony, is not a step towards freedom.
The West and Europe, its people and its nations, deserve better than that. No national social despotism nor Oligarchy globalism.
Voltaire would never have accepted such mediocrity and neither would have Jeferson. Our traditions are greater than this regression of value systems and economia under neo-feudal madness.
Our logic is as polluted as the political framework of our socio-economics as so called leaders of "free world".
falak,
Russia needs China much more than its needs Germany.
Germany is in a tough spot. Also, Germany doesn’t border Russia; otherwise we wouldn’t be having this conversation.
Anyway, you’re right; we are in a race to the bottom. Oligarchy globalism for the lucky ones while the locals will have to face regional uprisings as energy and money systems becomes scarce.
Not sure how long the parasites (elites and the ones living beyond their means) have.
I think Putin’s advisor was right quoting Putin: Who cares. We have a war coming to Europe.
My views on a free Europe have been often posted here.
But this current trajectory is not taking us there. For Europe to become free it has to find a project based on values. And with Putin's vision of new Oligarchy Czarist Russia its not on the cards.
Values and economic efficiency are not incompatible.
Doesn't mean that Europe should not use Russian gas and have an independent stance based on PEACE, not Pax Americana's war.
But an alliance with Putin requires for Russia to become more of a democracy and less of a Czarist one man run Oligarchy.
And that is NOT Putin's Rusia ...But Mutti's Germany is not a democracy either. So it stays race to bottom.
Europe will suffer before a new generation sees some light.
If Germany created an alliance with Russia it would certainly be a big shot in the arm for its own manufacturing industry, France not so much. Although both countries would get access to the huge markets of Russia and China, which is where most of the 21st century action's gonna be whether Washington/Westminster/Brussels/NATO admit it, or not.
Anyone for a plate of Bratwurst, Borscht and French Fries?
The Poles were crushed between a German hammer and a Russian anvil in 1939. Just how comfortable should they and indeed the world with the prospect of a new German Russian alliance?
Poland will become European flyover country.
ya, dot wot i wus tinking
They kind of poked the bear a little hard in Ukraine.
So what should they expect.
They are dirty bastards.
look at pilsudski killing 200.000 russians in 1919-1921 and the poles then complain about katin with misserable 38.000
they want to take Galicia. They have to. ANd kill all Banderas there.
The Poles had every chance to avoid their destruction by doing the right and sensible thing -giving back the Danzig to the Germans-the rightful owners of the territory and whose people overwhelmingly wanted to reuinite with Germany-especially due to horrible Poilish repression. Thank Churchill and the Zionists for foolishly persuading the Poles to make a horrible decision.
You're an idiot. Danzig was a "Free State" under League of Nations mandate. It wasn't Poland's to give or keep. Guess you never heard of the Munich accords and what a disaster they were. Ignorance can be fixed but stupid is forever.
The Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact also gave the USSR a free hand to invade Finland and the Baltic states – German and Russian imperial skulduggery at its worst.
Hey mate, first day on the job?
Was the Nazi-Soviet gore theater in German or Russian interest? Or both?
Are the recruits for the new 77 Brigade of the British Army'for non-lethal forms of psychological warfare for the information age' are starting to come together already?
Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact = two equally distasteful totalitarian regimes deciding to carve Europe into halves for their own mutual benefit.
How do you say nailgun in French???
Le nalgau'
"agrafeuse cloueuse"
Very close to Inspector Clouseau
no doubt vlad sees both as just a coupla US pussy-whipped basket cases. who needs 'em?
But will the French and Germans choose the nigger like we did?
Such a partnership would be in the interest of Europe and the only realistic way to deal with the Ukraine, possibly by dividing it along the river Dnjepr. Luckily (for USA) this will not happen. Germany and France complicit in the deterioration of relations with Russia have weak leaders that are not in the position to reverse course. Thus the terrible destruction of the Ukraine and the related economic disaster in western Europe shall continue. Thank you, America! Thank you, Mrs. Merkel and Mr. Holland!
"...the only realistic way to deal with the Ukraine, possibly by dividing it along the river Dnjepr"
I am all for dividing it along the river Bug. This would create two entities, Galicia and the Ukraine.
Jihadi John McCain dreams of leading his ISIS mercenaries into Paris.
Better say: Scheik Al-Islam-Al-Maccainy, the desert boar.
look like there will be some terrorism in USA in order to find some friends ...
Long term the US will return to what it was pre-World War I: a peripheral power, far away from Eurasia, where the action is. One day your children will laugh incredulously when you tell them the US Coast Guard once patrolled the Persian Gulf.
Agree. I am still wondering whether the American Era represents the last stage of the British Empire, or the first stage of the Globalist one.
Oops. Bugger.
OK, so I'll fill this deadspace dup with a link to an OT article that I found worth reading:
http://www.voltairenet.org/article186543.html
("Washington is in Revolt Against Obama", by Thierry Meyssan)
<<The crisis gripping the US state apparatus is directly threatening the survival of the Empire. This is no longer merely the opinion of Thierry Meyssan, but the subject that is shaking the ruling class in Washington to the point that the honorary president of the Council on Foreign Relations is demanding the resignation of the chief advisers of President Obama and the appointment of a new team. This clash has nothing to do with a typical opposition of Democrats and Republicans, nor even with that of the doves / hawks. What is at stake is leadership in the United States and NATO.>>
french - good at riding on someone else's coat-tails.
Russia is a kleptocratic state where all the press is run by Putin himself and where they will throw you in jail (or even kill you with poison) if you disagree. I really could care less what Russia does or who they team up with.
You know all this for a fact?
I doubt it...
"The Phony Litvinenko Murder" William Dunkerley
media dumb you down much?
And we are a kleptoplutocratic state.
No one whose capital is either London or Washington should talk about other kleptocratic countries. No room to wiggle there whatsoever.
Despite all the arguments and protestations to the contrary, Russia will not accede to be part of any alliance where Germany and France are voluntary participants. The Russian's are into making offers that cannot be refused.
This is not hot air. This is precisely why Russia has blocked European access to all new non-Russian energy sources. This is what Russia's strategy of controlling the Black Sea basin is all about - dictating one aspect of European nations' internal affairs. No one who was in the Warsaw Pact with the Soviets... or member nations of the Soviet Union for that matter... would call Russia's position with regard to them less than dictatorial.
The US's deal with Europe can be summed thusly: Use our money, we will resolve all your international security affairs, and your internal national affairs are your own.
The third way is one where the rest of Europe cedes sovreignty to Germans, uses its currency ... defacto a German one whether called that or not ... But non-German national elites stand to lose power in such a system.
So choose your favorite of these three turds for the dinner plate.
Who says Germany and France will be voluntary participants? Is war rearing its ugly head?
War is not necessary to take away someone's choices.
All you have to do is take hostage something they love, or cannot live without, and they will do as you say.
The west will do as they're told by the money changers who has paid for every policitian in power. If you own the money printing presses, you own their souls! The rest of us are FREE to work,eat,shit,sleep and continue to feed the system.
Yep, its a turd, alright.
I said that didn't I?
I support local government - not because it is more honest. That is not the nature of government. I support it because then I know where the tyrants live, and they know I know.
Could I choose, I would choose for all these mega-states to collapse. I'd like to see Europe as separate countries. I understand that will likely involve a lot of military adventurism, but that is their choice, not a necessity.
I would like to see the US Federal power fractured and returned to something more Antebellum (pre-Civil War) but without the slavery. At least then you can choose which corrupt local leader's turds are most tolerable.
I would like to see East Russia break away from Moscow, as well as Novosibirsk, and the rest, because all that graft is not really helping them. And frankly, what Russia is doing right now is set to cement that graft. When the oil runs out their situation will be much worse than if they decided to take the red pill, and compete with all comers to deliver energy to Europe.
But they are doing it because the biggest grifters in Russia are the leaders of Rosneft and Gazprom...and they are Putin's powerbase.
I don't know what kind of man Putin is. That is between he and his maker. But I do know that he is trying to produce a benefit to Russia by further empowering those who would damage Russia for their own benefit. That is simply not possible.
It is not possible to turn evil behavior to good ends, whether one tries to achieve good ends by empowering Russian energy gangsters, or European Banking gangsters, or American Banking gangsters. It is the nature of evil to seduce one into believing that it can be a tool for good. But the reason why we call such things 'evil' rather than merely 'foolish' is because it is their nature to corrupt both those who use them AND the victims.
The Europeans have promised everybody socialist benefits and a decent standard of living. The problem is they never figured out how much that was going to cost, and now very few people in Europe are actually happy with their standard of living.
So, promises that cannot be kept, will not be kept. Money that was promised to be paid out is not there. The plebes will have their way, and the guillotines will come back.
Every hundred years or so, we have to have a nice sized European war. It is the way it was, and the way it will be. 2000 years of history cannot be swept under the rug. Not by asshats like van Rumpoy and Tony Blair anyway. Not even Bismarck or Churchill could do that, and they were 10 times the statesment these asshats are.
Churchill was a war criminal.
yeah and Stalin was a boy scout... fuck off
Childish attempt at whitewashing criminality through association.
the only point you're making is on top of your head... the first idiot claimed that Churchill was a war criminal, with nothing to back up that assertion, whereas "Stalin is a boy scout" is easily recognized for what it is, a statement of opposite fact given the witness and documentation of Stalin's crimes against his own people... so, you can take your reply and shove it up your ass... oh, and have a nice day
Here is just one example of Churchill's complicity in war crimes - there are others. His decisions before and during the war also resulted in the complete loss of the British Empire (not that that is a bad thing).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tU5u7aoSxFQ#t=44
To maintain the living standard despite manufacturing migrating eastward Europe has ramped-up debt in the last 20 years to an unprecedented level (10 of the 20 relatively most indebted nations are EU-members right next to stars like Eritrea and Libanon) and lit the straw-fires of excessive consumption financed by debt-expansion. This "ponzi-scheme" has now reached its natural limits. The threat of war in our time however is not caused by the Europeans but by the US which is doing what it can to incend the Ukrainian conflict. The europeans reject war and might topple their governments if they should be too eager for war
EU and Moscow–led economic bloc should develop free trade – Hungarian PM
Hungary-Russia nuclear power deal faces Brussels roadblock
Then who's gonna protect the docile europeans from Russia? Watch the "social spending" on the continent plummet as they have to defend themselves. Personally I would love to see it.
That's only half of it, the rest includes a U.S. return to continental power, and perhaps a navy consistent with the Monroe Doctrine. It was supposed to be over in 1991, we should be out.
LetsGetPhysical,
Wouldn't it be great for Europeans to start defending themselves? Hmm. Oh, dear! I foresee Russia expanding all the way west to the Atlantic Ocean with one currency, one language, and warm water ports. Putin will solve that little Muslim problem for the EU while he is at it too.
Talk about austerity; Greece can lead the way.
the eurozone spends twice as much for defense as Russia, and the EU spends three times as much as Russia (which is catching up a small bit)
it's not a "gun or butter" decision, and Russia has no intent of driving tanks to Berlin and Paris. geopolitically, the still young 21st Century resembles the 19th more then the 20th
Which "Made in Germany" goods are these ? Most "German Made" goods are now made in global factories throughout the world rather than in Germany
Sounds good...But, lots of damage has been done over the years!
I'm all for the big reset!...I think
Fragermussia
Russgermanance
Gerrussance
Food would be damn good, woodn't it?
Italy, France and Germany have either in world war 1 or 2 been against the USA and had their ass's handed to them. I don't think so. Putin is wrong here and it will end that way.
if the central banks are against this, they will just pull their dollar swaps out of the ecb tomorrow.
then again, long term, fiat isn't the only play in the geopolitical great game. it's just a tool.
the berlin wall came down. the iron curtain came up, and the u.s. STILL HAS 50,000 TROOPS OCCUPYING GERMANY.
maybe that is the next and final shoe to drop off to close the chapter on ww2?
Historically, Germany always looked East, not West.
Going from a US protectorate to a Russia protectorate? Hmmmmm.
Europe should arm itself with nukes (France and UK already have) and point them in either direction and say: "now we can talk as equals". I don't like nukes but if the other guy has them you need to have them.
Anyway, ain't gonna happen because the US and the EU are joint at the hip by debt and are in a debt spiral.
Wouldn't they love it -- for EurocRats to rule from Lisbon to Vladivostok, hm?! Well, you won't get it, Europeans! Fuck off! There is nothing Russia needs from Germany, so Germany and France can go and suck Anglo-American masters' dicks like they have been doing for as long as they know for themselves. Russia has everything she needs in Far East, in Asia. Russia does not need Europa, and especially not Germany or France. Fuck them!
Ah, I knew it was a hoax, a decoy to lure Russia into Eurocrap EU mountain of shit with Germany and France as soon as I read the title of the article, and it became obvious when author was revealed (and for article to appear in that zio-oligarchs' moutpiece Le Figaro is, tells one everything really). That is how the story with EU came to be in the first place after all: lure Germany and France to embrace each other. Well, Germany and France have each other now, as well as most of Europa, so how is that working for them? Not so good, hm? Russia has no ambition to be sucked in that pile of crap where Germany and France are in now! Only one thing has to be undestood when we talk about Germany and France: they are both ruled by Anglozionist oligarcs! They have no voice or will of their own, they are zombies -- ghouls! "Their" thoughts are not their own, since they have none; and since they have no thoughts of their own, their view holds no weight at all. Waste of time reding what Germany and France think. Fuck them!
The profound ignorance of history on display here at ZH is the predictable result of no longer functional education systems dominated by leftist bureaucrats. The large number of negative votes put to my comment that Poland and tndeed the rest of the world should be uncomfortable with the prospect of a new German/Russian alliance is all one needs to prove the point. That one fool suggested that Poland could have avoided the war by simply giving Danzig back to Germany is shows how frightening ignorance can be. Firstly Danzig was a Free City under League of Nations mandate, controled by neither Germany or Poland. IT wasn't Poland's to give to anyone. The idea that Hitler would have been satisfied with obtainining this one city is absurd on its face particularly given what had just happened to the Czechs. Maybe one of these geniuses can tell us just how many times it took Prussia, Austria-Hurgary and Russia partitioning Poland before there was no more Poland? Or maybe like good little communists they have neither forgotten or forgiven the Poles for leading the charge of revolution in Eastern Europe that ended nearly fifty years of brutal occupation and eventually the Soviet era of Russian Imperialism to its end. The Soviet Union my be gone but Russian Imperialism never died. They just transformed from austensible "international socialist" into what they always were Rusian Imperialist national socialists.
Your observations are indeed correct and quite timely, especially with regard to Danzig. What I am less convinced of is your insistence that Russia is an imperial power. We are I think, all aware on here that V. Putin is not necessarily an ideal neighbour, but I'm quite some way from believing that he is anything more than a Russian nationalist who quite rightly considers it his duty to see off the Zio-Amerikaner hyena's, who really are a bunch of Nazi's. You may well point to the great propensity of the Chosen among the Russian oligarch's, in fact they constitute the majority, but their writ runs only so far as it serves Putin's and, in the final analysis, Russia's needs and requirements. The endemic corruption inside Russia will I think, be steadily wound up under Chinese insistence, as a precondition of establishing viable, long-term trading arrangements with them, viz. the ongoing housecleaning carried out by Beijing. Whilst you are partially correct re the level of some posting on here, brief acquaintance with ZH has demonstrated to me that there are some very well-educated and world savvy people contributing their thoughts and I've found it advantageous to keep an open mind about such things. I say this as someone who has had occasion to make some rather caustic comments on the intellectually challenged constituency who rear their heads from time to time.
Points taken but, it's still called Red Square, a military honor guard still marches before Lenin's rotting corpse and all those former constituent states (inherited from Tsarist Russia) didn't declare their independence because they so loved their Russian of occupiers.
Ribbentrop-Molotov pact redux with bitch Hollande as its beard...
PRESENT USA GOVERNMENT IS DOING ITS BEST TO FORCE EUROPE INTO THE HANDS OF KGB PUTIN'S BRICS: Notice that Obama and the west make all the mistakes, but the east and Putin does everything correct? This evidences the fact this is all orchestrated as does the fact Putin receives tremendous western press attention, especially outside the USA. The goal is to destroy the biggest middle class ever created, the middle class of the USA and Europe. This administration is doing its best to alienate virtually every nation on earth. It's the old Hegelian dialectic trick: create two virtually identical enemies and then using the good cop bad cop approach push everyone into the hands of the perceived least of two evils. From the outside world's perspective and to the alternative media in the USA, the Obama administration is the perceived bad guy, the black hat and Putin represents the white hats; never mind the fact Putin has met regularly with Mr. NWO himself, Heinz Kissinger, since ascending to office; never mind the fact Putin created his own 9/11 to guarantee his election; never mind the fact, Putin became a billionaire ($40-$70B estimated) by manipulating meet prices in a starving Russian city, not to mention the fact the IMF in 1999 bribed Putin and the other oligarchs to support the NWO, and let's not forget to mention the assassination of Russian journalists since Putin gained power, and the rapid depopulation rate in Russia, particularly of ethnic Russians. Even the Russian middle class has protested against Putin and the fact the Russian nation has 10 times more oligarchs per billion dollars of household income than the average nation. Putin is reportedly Jewish on his mother's side and is under the control of the Chabad-Lubavitch group, a Jewish cult trying to bring on the end of the world so they can be saved by their messiah. The two perceived choices are really their one choice. Where is the third choice, the people's choice?
Might I suggest you take an aspirin and lie down in a darkened room for a while? You really are quite delusional and the sort of person who gives serious critics of the Chosen a reputation for anti-semitism, something that is entirely unhelpful as it tends to subvert what might otherwise be a reasoned argument. Having said that, I find your statements largely deficient of reason, evidence and anything that might be construed as historical accuracy. All that your smear tactics have achieved is that you are left with visible quantities of shit on your hands.