This page has been archived and commenting is disabled.

Republicans To Investigate NASA Over Climate Data Tampering

Tyler Durden's picture




 

With record heat (and drought) in the west and record cold (wet and snow) in the east, the global warming game-playing continues every day but the climate-gate rhetoric has increased vociferously since we first noted three weeks ago, the data that has been so relied upon to 'prove' global warming's trend was in fact manipulated. What The Telegraph called "the most extraordinary scandal of our times" - that of the "seasonally-adjusted" seasonal raw global temperature data - is about to be investigated by Congress. As Daily Caller reports, California Republican Rep. Dana Rohrbacher exclaimed "expect there to be congressional hearings into NASA altering weather station data to falsely indicate warming & sea rise."

This began, as The Telegraph previously noted, with claims that the underlying data used to justify practically every study p[roving global warming has, in fact, been manipulated...

Although it has been emerging for seven years or more, one of the most extraordinary scandals of our time has never hit the headlines. Yet another little example of it lately caught my eye when, in the wake of those excited claims that 2014 was “the hottest year on record”, I saw the headline on a climate blog: “Massive tampering with temperatures in South America”. The evidence on Notalotofpeopleknowthat, uncovered by Paul Homewood, was indeed striking.

 

Puzzled by those “2014 hottest ever” claims, which were led by the most quoted of all the five official global temperature records – Nasa’s Goddard Institute for Space Studies (Giss) – Homewood examined a place in the world where Giss was showing temperatures to have risen faster than almost anywhere else: a large chunk of South America stretching from Brazil to Paraguay.

 

Noting that weather stations there were thin on the ground, he decided to focus on three rural stations covering a huge area of Paraguay. Giss showed it as having recorded, between 1950 and 2014, a particularly steep temperature rise of more than 1.5C: twice the accepted global increase for the whole of the 20th century.

 

But when Homewood was then able to check Giss’s figures against the original data from which they were derived, he found that they had been altered. Far from the new graph showing any rise, it showed temperatures in fact having declined over those 65 years by a full degree. When he did the same for the other two stations, he found the same. In each case, the original data showed not a rise but a decline.

 

Homewood had in fact uncovered yet another example of the thousands of pieces of evidence coming to light in recent years that show that something very odd has been going on with the temperature data relied on by the world's scientists. And in particular by the UN’s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC), which has driven the greatest and most costly scare in history: the belief that the world is in the grip of an unprecedented warming.

 

How have we come to be told that global temperatures have suddenly taken a great leap upwards to their highest level in 1,000 years? In fact, it has been no greater than their upward leaps between 1860 and 1880, and 1910 and 1940, as part of that gradual natural warming since the world emerged from its centuries-long “Little Ice Age” around 200 years ago.

 

This belief has rested entirely on five official data records. Three of these are based on measurements taken on the Earth’s surface, versions of which are then compiled by Giss, by the US National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) and by the University of East Anglia’s Climatic Research Unit working with the Hadley Centre for Climate Prediction, part of the UK Met Office. The other two records are derived from measurements made by satellites, and then compiled by Remote Sensing Systems (RSS) in California and the University of Alabama, Huntsville (UAH).

 

 

 

 

To fill in the huge gaps, those compiling the records have resorted to computerised “infilling” or “homogenising”, whereby the higher temperatures recorded by the remaining stations are projected out to vast surrounding areas (Giss allows single stations to give a reading covering 1.6 million square miles). This alone contributed to the sharp temperature rise shown in the years after 1990.

 

But still more worrying has been the evidence that even this data has then been subjected to continual “adjustments”, invariably in only one direction. Earlier temperatures are adjusted downwards, more recent temperatures upwards, thus giving the impression that they have risen much more sharply than was shown by the original data.

 

In reality, the implications of such distortions of the data go much further than just representing one of the most bizarre aberrations in the history of science. The fact that our politicians have fallen for all this scary chicanery has given Britain the most suicidally crazy energy policy (useless windmills and all) of any country in the world.

Science blogger Steven Goddard (a pseudonym) has been a major critic of NASA’s and NOAA’s temperature measurements...

Goddard points out that NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center makes the present look warmer by artificially cooling past temperatures to show a warming trend.

 

“NCDC pulls every trick in the book to turn the US cooling trend into warming. The raw data shows cooling since the 1920s,” Goddard told The Daily Caller News Foundation in an interview last month.

 

“NCDC does a hockey stick of adjustments to reverse the trend,” Goddard said. “This includes cooling the past for ‘time of observation bias’ infilling missing rural data with urban temperatures, and doing almost nothing to compensate for urban heat island effects.”

And it appears it was just too much for some politicians... As The Daily Caller's Michael Bastach explains...

Are government climate agencies tampering with climate data to show warming? Some Republicans think so. California Republican Rep. Dana Rohrabacher says to expect congressional hearings on climate data tampering.

Rohrabacher serves as the vice chairman of the House Science, Space and Technology Committee, which has jurisdiction over NASA and other agencies that monitor the Earth’s climate.

 

 

Rohrabacher has long been critical of the theory of man-made global warming. Lately, the California Republican has criticizing NASA and the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration for allegedly tampering with temperature data to create an artificial warming trend. Such data is then used to justify regulations aimed at curbing fossil fuel use and other industrial activities.

Rohrabacher isn’t the only one to call for hearings on the science behind global warming. Oklahoma Republican Sen. Jim Inhofe has also promised to hold hearings on global warming data.

 

 

“We’re going to have a committee hearing on the science,” said Inhofe, who chairs the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee. “People are going to hear the other side of the story.”

As The Telegraph's Christopher Booker concludes,

“This really does begin to look like one of the greatest scientific scandals of all time.”

*  *  *

 

- advertisements -

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.
Sun, 02/22/2015 - 22:51 | 5816998 kchrisc
kchrisc's picture

Con men investigating con men.

LOL

The banksters need to repay us.

 

Translation: Some in CONgress want to send some of the climate-scam lucre to their buddies and spouses.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 22:54 | 5817004 BigJim
BigJim's picture

Paging Flakmeister, paging Flakmeister; your trough has been impuned in aisle 4...

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 22:57 | 5817026 SMG
SMG's picture

It's always been about instituting a global carbon tax and carbon trading (ie a tax on breathing).  Imagine the power and wealth a global government would gain by a tax on just about every human activity.  That's why this lie is being pushed so vigorously.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:02 | 5817041 Hulk
Hulk's picture

It is literally a breath tax...

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:07 | 5817053 nmewn
Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:14 | 5817076 Latina Lover
Latina Lover's picture

It was Climategate, the AGW scam that finally took the scale off my eyes and made me realize that our governments lie incessantly. After AGW, I believe nothing they tell me unless I can independently verify it.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:35 | 5817117 Save_America1st
Save_America1st's picture

good....investigate the mother fuckers.  All the evidence about the climate fraud already came out a few years ago w/ the East Anglia University data dump and that fuck head from Penn State, Michael Mann who fucking LIES about every bit of data he has published. 

But, of course, these shitbag universities are complicite to all of this because they're being paid by our criminal, mafia gov-tards hundreds of millions in bribes/grant money to lie about the data so that they can tax the fuck out of the rest of us.

Penn State "investigated" this themselves and found no wrong doing, so of course THAT'S credible, right? 

http://dailycaller.com/2011/03/08/penn-state-whitewashed-climategate/

But of course, the media along w/ these scumbag, mafia, sociopath government shitheads all ignored that and plowed forward calling the rest of us "climate deniars" (hahaha), and threatening to throw people in jail for "denying" climate change.  What total fucking scumbags.

Lord Monckton busted all those fake bitchez a few years ago too:  http://www.desmogblog.com/christopher-monckton

Let's just start with throwing Al Gore's fat ass in jail for his fraud and keep working our way down the shit pile from there. 

Then throw all these lying scumbag fraud "scientists" in jail too.  Make serious criminal examples out of these mother fuckers and strip their universities of all government funding.  Hell, end all government funding of universities all together!!!

Wipe that shit out and you wipe out the fraud. 

Policians supporting climate taxes and other fraud should be impeached for their crimes or for being too fucking stupid to hold office if they're so fucking ignorant to fall for all this bullshit.

THEY HAVE COST THE WORLD HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS OF DOLLARS and they aim to suck Trillions out of anything that's left over.  They've cost the world millions of jobs.  And it all goes in their pockets. 

END THE FUCKING UNITED NATION SCUMBAGS AND KICK THEM OUT OF AMERICA.  They're pushing this climate bullshit too and Agenda 21 to take over America and all other countries.

DESTROY AND END THE FUCKING E.P.A. as well.  The entire program is run by tyrannical, Marxist traitors who should also be thrown in prison.

Total criminal fraud as bad as all the bankster fraud.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:39 | 5817184 Publicus
Publicus's picture

The Ice Age cometh.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:47 | 5817207 Save_America1st
Save_America1st's picture

yeah exactly.  I'm down with that serious prospect.  Look at the weather cycles getting colder and look at the sun cycles becoming less active.  I'm seriously wondering of most of Canada will even be inhabitable over the next 10 to 50 or more years.  It might be so frozen solid that most of them will need to leave.

 

Anyways...this isnt' exactly off topic.  This is a killer site I found and just want to share.  I think the vast majority of ZH'ers will like using this site on a daily basis:

New aggregator site I just found that pretty much includes all kick ass sites (like ZH) all in one as well as video blog/podcast links.  Very cool...just in case any of you all hadn't found it yet.  I have no affiliation or anything like that...just think it includes essential informational sites for all our interests and purposes.

http://thelibertymill.com/

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:57 | 5817246 Billy the Poet
Billy the Poet's picture

The Republicans will "fight the good fight" and drop the ball just like they did with everything from abortion to smaller government. Then the path will be clear for a bipartisan embrace of the tax increase that will save the planet. And to think that some people say taxes are bad!

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:13 | 5817288 Gaius Frakkin' ...
Gaius Frakkin' Baltar's picture

AGW will be the end of smug, peer "reviewed" circle-jerk science. I can't wait. The Internet is reshaping science into an open medium where everyone can contribute.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:16 | 5817305 Calmyourself
Calmyourself's picture

What do you think net neutrality is really about: shutting down any independent idea or thought, that is the plan!!

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:28 | 5817331 BLOTTO
BLOTTO's picture

NASA, the occult agency.

 

 

 

 

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:37 | 5817355 Paveway IV
Paveway IV's picture

NASA should investigate the Republicans for Government-tampering.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 03:38 | 5817593 Fish Gone Bad
Mon, 02/23/2015 - 04:08 | 5817615 Richard Chesler
Richard Chesler's picture

No comments about the koch brothers yet?

Have the left cocksuckers peak oilers/climate changers true believers left ZH???

 

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 07:59 | 5817765 Pinch
Pinch's picture

What do you want to hear about the Koch suckers? This site's commenters are some of the dumbest redneck fools on the planet, and the denier who runs the site is little better. Assholes.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 09:51 | 5817982 tmosley
tmosley's picture

For almost three years I have been calling AGW a fraud not because of any actual temperature changes, but because CO2 is NOT A FUCKING GREENHOUSE GAS.  It retains slightly less heat than the average of Earth's atmosphere, and as such you can put out as much as you want and all it will do is cause an immeasurable tiny bit of cooling.  Any increase in temperature can be accounted for via H2O emissions and forcing (ie irrigation, paving, combustion, and cooling towers), and as H2O is in tight equilibrium (ie it falls out of the atmosphere after 3 days) it won't cause runaway warming like CO2 would.

Honestly, a single glance at the relative concentrations of CO2 and H2O, and their IR spectra would tell you that CO2 won't cause any warming.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 10:45 | 5818022 Haole
Haole's picture

Yup.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 10:46 | 5818012 Haole
Haole's picture

Voodoo...

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:56 | 5817402 A Nanny Moose
A Nanny Moose's picture

Ding ding ding!!!!

The Intertewbz is the threat to the long standing paradigm whereby, pewblik edewkayshun, pewblik libraries, and MSM, are able to be gatekeepers of information.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 09:39 | 5817938 HardAssets
HardAssets's picture

Shutting down any independent thought or idea is also the agenda of what they're doing to our kids in the 'schools'. Common Core is about dumbing down the cirriculum and 'proper behavior and attitude re-training' combined with privacy loss through a data base on every person from womb to grave. The proposal for free community colleges is to shunt people into narrow worker 'training' versus a broad education which would include learning critical thinking skills. (Of course, they also want to bring in millions more illegals even though we have record low labor participation rates.)
The psychopath control freaks are even targeting people's (and especially the youth's) capacity to think for themselves.

The current American system is corrupt and evil from top to bottom. It's large institutions (the fascist govt/corporate partnership) co-operate to wage war against the American people.
Who gives a damn what congress investigates. They will lie, or if they tell the truth about the man made global 'warming'/climate change fraud - the mass media will kill the story.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 10:51 | 5818146 t0mmyBerg
t0mmyBerg's picture

Well at least with dumbass repubnicants in charge we will get some kind of debate over and inquiry into the actual merits of AGW in a public forum.  The demunists and commocrats were so afraid someone might see the BS behind their control agenda they dishonestly and outrageously declare the debate over beforre it had even been started and strenuously blocked any public debate over these issues merely trying to cram some fascist carbon trading scheme through in the 111th.  HUmanity is very fortunate the architects of that shit are gone, with the exception of Pelosi, the witch who hangs on trying to pretend she is still relevant in some way.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 03:16 | 5817576 Hobbleknee
Hobbleknee's picture

Billy, is that an illustration from Breakfast of Champions in your avatar?

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:04 | 5817265 NoDebt
NoDebt's picture

Even outright proof that gloabal warming is a hoax/scam/false will not stop the taxes that will be levied to "stop" it.

It is a governmental money and power grab, pure and simple.  Little things like facts/truth/reality won't get in the way of it happening.

Someday they'll grow so brazen they'll admit they're just going to take shit because they can, and fuck everyone who doesn't like it.  For now, they still need the "cover" of scary stories.

 

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 03:41 | 5817594 Fish Gone Bad
Fish Gone Bad's picture

I apologize for posting this a bit more than bots will appreciate.  This guy appears to have it right: http://www.endofinnocence.com/2010/05/anthropogenic-global-warming.html

once again, sorry.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:13 | 5817294 Calmyourself
Calmyourself's picture

Ice Age cometh, yes, yes it does.. 

 

http://russia-ic.com/news/show/13717

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:33 | 5817345 Lone_Star
Lone_Star's picture

One of the best and most thoroughly researched books I ever read about the AGW scam was by Michael Crichton, State of Fear. The book is a fiction thriller novel, but Crichton, like he did in most of his books, did meticulous research and documented everything.

I would recommend reading it, if you haven't already, because it'll really open your eyes to the manipulation that is being done by the government and the media. You can always tell an environmentalist reviewer because they say they hate the book and go into a spiel about AGW.

http://www.michaelcrichton.net/books-stateoffear.html

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 03:19 | 5817578 Hobbleknee
Hobbleknee's picture

Agreed. He makes some very revealing statements in the epilogue about Hitler and eugenics too.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 09:52 | 5817957 flapdoodle
flapdoodle's picture

Kudos for mentioning Michael Crichton's excellent, scathingly satirical book about AGW. I will forever more picture being eaten by cannibals as the perfect, karmic fate for Hollywood blowhards...

Kudos to the late, great Michael Crichton for having the courage to write it - being totally paranoid, I have always suspected that Crichton was put down by the deep state because he had accumulated too much influence among the sheep (and was off the reservation with "State of Fear", which nails it starting with the title).

I also suspect that Tom Clancy was put down the same way, because of what is happening in Ukraine right now, and he was not trusted enough to follow the Zionist inner-party line.

I also harbor the suspicion that Hunter S Thompson was put down - he was supposedly looking too closely into 9/11 and the controlled demolition of WTC1, WTC2, and WTC7 by the Zionist inner-party.

If as is likely the Deep State offed Michael Hasting just for looking too closely into the American surveillance state, then the likelyhood they consistently bump off anyone who might foster a different narrative is not so far fetched...

 

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 09:59 | 5818005 tmosley
tmosley's picture

Thompson was more likely killed because he discovered the pedo-parties that are now coming out in the press.

It's getting harder and harder to control the spread of information thanks to the internet.  No wonder they are trying so hard to shut it down.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:51 | 5817391 A Nanny Moose
A Nanny Moose's picture

Penn State "investigated" this themselves and found no wrong doing, so of course THAT'S credible, right?

Penn State. Institutionalized homosexual pedophilia. Nuff Said.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 01:32 | 5817445 Billy the Poet
Billy the Poet's picture

Hey, I went to Penn State. But I was one of the handful of people whose favorite thing about football games was the fact that they made the rest of the campus look like a scene from The Omega Man. A guy could really get some thinking done. Not that that mattered, it was Penn State.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:26 | 5817123 nmewn
nmewn's picture

Thats what sucks, the "science" is being manipulated.

I ranted & raved for years about the USSR's economic collapse (think Siberia and manned stations) being taken off the weather matrix.

Oh nmewn, pish posh, we now have satellites that can "estimate" temps. Oh, isn't that grand but you also have weather monitoring GROUND STATIONS sitting next to asphalt parking lots and idling cars & trucks along with air conditioning exhaust fans blowing directly on them in the heat of summer, so estimate that...lol.

What a fucking farce.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:21 | 5817100 daedon
daedon's picture

Bingo, calling it a "Carbon" tax is a misnomer, CarbonDIoxide (ie, 2 Oxygen atoms) is the end product of the "Oxygen Cycle" which produces 2 Oxygens for each Carbon atom, hence the correct name should be The Oxygen tax.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:59 | 5817410 A Nanny Moose
A Nanny Moose's picture

It is a life tax. Because plants cannot vote.

"...and the trees were all kept equal, by hatchet, ax, and saw." - Neil Peart.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 06:03 | 5817689 Charming Anarchist
Charming Anarchist's picture

It may seem like a misnomer to you but I reckon it is a deliberate label. 

It is deliberate pre-programming of the sheeple so that they come to associate fossil fuels with the tax. 

 

<<Bingo, calling it a "Carbon" tax is a misnomer,>>

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 08:55 | 5817843 Bangin7GramRocks
Bangin7GramRocks's picture

Is "breath tax" the new conservative catch phrase invented by Frank Luntz? He sure is a crafty devil!

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:03 | 5817044 localsavage
localsavage's picture

This is just another round of verbal masterbation with no happy ending.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:20 | 5817088 Buckaroo Banzai
Buckaroo Banzai's picture

I'm sure the Republicans will figure out a way to fuck this up, just like they've fucked up every decent idea they've had since the Eisenhower administration.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:21 | 5817313 Calmyourself
Calmyourself's picture

Yes Buck almost like they are not on our side but have some ulterior motive for the end game...  Sure they give us some incrementalism but in the end you get it in the ass and they stay on top always on top....  Weird isn't it, I wonder what could explain such a thing?

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:15 | 5817080 pods
pods's picture

I have argued with Flak that it is meaningless to even state a "global temperature" as you have to have so many qualifiers that it becomes meaningless.

These qualifiers are what GW "scientists" use to massage raw data to fit their needs.  

This has always been about control, nothing more, nothing less.

To actually go after the data, which was pointed out before with East Anglia, is criminal.  Makes all conclusions invalid because the very foundation of discussion is not hard data, but results.  

Just more bullshit.

pods

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:22 | 5817101 Bay of Pigs
Bay of Pigs's picture

I think most here know that Flak is full of shit when it comes to this topic. This is the nail in the coffin for the Al Gore and GW camp.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:02 | 5817257 Billy the Poet
Billy the Poet's picture

TPTB are determined to control energy with wars abroad and regulation at home. They won't give up easily. US troops will remain stationed in and around the Middle East for as long as Federal Reserve notes flow and some version of energy regulation and taxation will prevail for  just as long.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:11 | 5817283 Calmyourself
Calmyourself's picture

Flak, come out come out wherever you are, I enjoy kicking your psuedoscientific ass....

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 02:34 | 5817527 Ms No
Ms No's picture

Flak's views on climate were unpopular but his commentary on oil and NG are missed. 

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 04:00 | 5817608 NidStyles
NidStyles's picture

So he can preach his peak oil nonsense some more? No thanks. That guy literally said that oil was not possible under $70 a barrel.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:57 | 5817409 cheech_wizard
cheech_wizard's picture

The door refused to open. It said, "Five cents, please."

He searched his pockets. No more coins; nothing. "I'll pay you tomorrow," he told the door. Again it remained locked tight. "What I pay you," he informed it, "is in the nature of a gratuity; I don't have to pay you."

"I think otherwise," the door said. "Look in the purchase contract you signed when you bought this conapt."

...he found the contract. Sure enough; payment to his door for opening and shutting constituted a mandatory fee. Not a tip.

"You discover I'm right," the door said. It sounded smug.

From Ubik, by Philip K. Dick.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 02:32 | 5817525 cornflakesdisease
cornflakesdisease's picture

Don't forget Goldman Sachs will trade those carbon credits.

 

  • Inefficient energy sources will instead be propped up and buffered from free market competition by the government.

  • The taxed companies will pass down the taxes to We the People, and energy costs will rise for us, the consumers.

  • The State will subsidize and hence sponsor, mandated education that "global warming" is in fact, stifling debate.

  • Wall Street will have a great time doing all the carbon credits trading using derivatives with "underlying assets" that are literally in many cases, just hot air.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 09:23 | 5817898 chubbar
chubbar's picture

It's not JUST about a tax, it's about having the world population (especially americans) accept a tax from an entity outside their government. Taxation without representation, I believe it was termed. This is the camel's head creeping under the tent. I believe this is the real thrust behind this movement. Imagine if the united nations could unilaterally impose a tax on every individual in the world. Christ, I can't get my local county gov't to keep their hands out of my pockets, what chance would we stand on a world wide basis? Talk about the pinnacle of corruption!

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:12 | 5817069 Miffed Microbio...
Miffed Microbiologist's picture

She's too busy preparing her presentation in Paris to be troubled by irritating distractions like Truth. Much more fun contemplating various penalties for noncompliance to the Kyoto Protocol. I'd love to hear the comments and suggestions in the breakout sessions. Prison, water boarding, reindoctrination camps.... the list is endless!

Miffed;-)

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 07:47 | 5817750 BigJim
BigJim's picture

:-)

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 22:53 | 5817005 kliguy38
kliguy38's picture

Just don't investigate the Bankers or the Fed .....cause that could destroy the world......hehehehhehe

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:04 | 5817055 Ignatius
Ignatius's picture

As The Telegraph's Christopher Booker concludes,

“This really does begin to look like one of the greatest scientific scandals of all time.”

 

All time?  Bazant published his so-called peer reviewed "progressive collapse" theory of the fall of the twin towers two days after 9/11 on the 13th without taking any meaningful measurements nor examining any physical evidence.  An answer to a later paper of Bazant's by engineer Tony Szamboti, et al, showing blatant errors and falsifications was rejected after 27 months of stalling by the Journal of Engineering Mechanics as "out of scope".

Tony tells the story in this interview:  http://noliesradio.org/archives/74057  (in a hurry go to min. 38)

NIST is hiding behind Bazant's fraud, as they did not independently describe the actual collapse sequence.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:12 | 5817282 Billy the Poet
Billy the Poet's picture

The plan to make energy prices "skyrocket" (on top of the fact that folks are already using and paying for more due to the extreme cold) and to use that money to try to make it even colder will kill far more people than 9/11 when all is said and done.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqHL404zhcU

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 22:54 | 5817016 tarsubil
tarsubil's picture

Washington DC is a dog chasing his tail and then eating his vomit.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:22 | 5817104 Buckaroo Banzai
Buckaroo Banzai's picture

...after shitting on the rest of the country.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:52 | 5817393 OldPhart
OldPhart's picture

Faked data is old news. 

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/environment/a5154/4338343/

This global warming scam turned into a Climate Change scam after the release of emails from East Anglia back in 2009.

Basic data was altered via their programming to give a biased increase in temperature.  That is the original root of the global warming myth.  Which was a radical change to the global cooling myth of the 70's.

It's all about research grants and 'prestige' from getting larger research grants.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 10:03 | 5818019 tmosley
tmosley's picture

Somehow this reminds me of the story of Soviet (or was it Chinese) economic data output.  Each and every bureaucrat along the chain had an incentive to lie to pretend that their output was higher than it was, yet the Party was somehow surprised to find that they all lied, systematically, and without communication with each other.

This is what socialism does to people.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 22:51 | 5817000 Joebloinvestor
Joebloinvestor's picture

Think about it, one of the guys most credited with being the "voice" of alarm use to sit on a floor with his wife, get stoned asnd play records backwards looking for hidden messages.

 

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:17 | 5817085 pods
pods's picture

Well fuck, guess I better stop posting any more opinions. 

:)

pods

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:33 | 5817159 farmerbraun
farmerbraun's picture

C'mon:-)

How do you play the record backwards anyway?

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XsqJAjU8log

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:11 | 5817287 Thirst Mutilator
Thirst Mutilator's picture

I bury Paul

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 22:52 | 5817003 IridiumRebel
IridiumRebel's picture

A worthy cause....

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 22:58 | 5817006 buzzy_the_pirate_dog
buzzy_the_pirate_dog's picture

Sorry to be an ass...but DUH...as soon as there was a CARBON TAX I knew this was shit.  Was there a fucking Polio Tax?  Nope.

 

 

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:06 | 5817052 TimmyB
TimmyB's picture

The next carbon tax in this country will be the first. Wtf are you writing about? The glacers are melting and the sea is rising. The lack of rain is becoming a huge problem.

If the GOP Congress wants to investigate once and for all if humans burning carbon is causing climate change, then I'm all for it. If they want to waste time and money on making Obama the Lame Duck look worse, instead of focusing on science, then just stop already.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:20 | 5817092 Crazed Smoker
Crazed Smoker's picture

I read an article a few years back that the glaciers on Mount Shasta in California were growing because of global warming, "experts" said.  They went on to explain the science of it.  Maybe the raw data showing the drop in temperature of 1 degree over the last 65 years explains the shrinking glaciers.  So what now?  We need more carbon to increase global warming and reverse the shrinking glaciers?  Lol.  Just stop already now.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:20 | 5817094 pods
pods's picture

Studying the climate is science.  Conjecture based upon faulty "data" is most certainly not science.

pods

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 01:47 | 5817482 Harbanger
Harbanger's picture

To save the planet and fix our problems, we need to lose the old folk! 60+  They complain, milk the system and take our jobs. -Minutes from 2020 DNC

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:43 | 5817195 Yao
Yao's picture

Lack of rain appears to be a problem mostly contained within the borders of California.  Die West Coast liberals!  Die!

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:44 | 5817197 Duc888
Duc888's picture

TimmyB, the planet has been heating and cooling and heating and cooling for a few billion years. If the sea rises STFU grab a few oars, poles and rod holders, build a skiff and just go fishin' ok?

Gawd so much drama.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:46 | 5817206 Teamtc321
Teamtc321's picture

Word soup, the fucking has already began.......

Hope!!!!! Hope and Change!!!!!!! --( @*@ )--

"The cap-and-trade for fuels is a regulation already adopted by the California Air Resources Board that will increase the cost of gasoline and diesel fuels by up to 76 a cents a gallon, according to the agency’s own analysis! "-

See more at: http://cafuelfacts.com/cap-and-trade-for-fuels/#sthash.E8GLYjrV.dpuf

http://cafuelfacts.com/cap-and-trade-for-fuels/

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 01:07 | 5817424 OldPhart
OldPhart's picture

This brand of bullshit predates Obama's bullshit.  It has no bearing on him other than he's all-in on the lie.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 03:04 | 5817562 Billybullshit
Billybullshit's picture

You must be in the U.S.A, we got green energy taxes on our gas and electricty here in the UK, all motoring taxztion is based on CO2, so the people who can afford new cars pay no road tax, while poorer people with old cars subsidise them. Aint life grand!

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 22:54 | 5817008 hotrod
hotrod's picture

Go look at the Great Lakes.  In the 1970s Time mag told us to prepare for an Ice Age.  There are not enough reliable and empirical data points to make any conclusion on the warming of a billions of years old planet.  I think Satellite temps suggest we have been in a cooling trend for the last 18 years.

Al Gore sure been quiet.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:07 | 5817050 PacOps
Sun, 02/22/2015 - 22:54 | 5817011 Ignatius
Ignatius's picture

Have the Republicans repealed ObummerCare yet?

I'll believe it when they're forced to correct/restore the raw data and perps are out the door and/or in prison.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:04 | 5817034 Number 156
Number 156's picture

Republicans wanted this last presidential election, only they wanted to call it RomneyCare.

Democrats and Republicans are of the same cloth.

(See: March of Tyranny.)

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:01 | 5817035 Pure Evil
Pure Evil's picture

The Ritalin and Adderall half-wits on Faux-News must be distracted constantly.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 11:43 | 5818345 Zero_Head (not verified)
Zero_Head's picture

and your supidity must be hereditary

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:03 | 5817036 nmewn
nmewn's picture

First and foremost repeal that POS!

The climate will continue to get colder and we will need the paper to keep warm ;-)

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 22:54 | 5817013 czarangelus
czarangelus's picture

Jesus Christ. Anybody with half a wit to spare can read anywhere about whole islands being submerged and their peoples and cultures being evacuated to new environments where they'll inevitably fail to fit in; where they'll die out as a people. I'm not making any political statement when I say it disgusts me that not only are they treated with impunity, but Western cultures even dare to deny that they ever existed.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:15 | 5817078 nmewn
nmewn's picture

Where would that be?

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:31 | 5817108 Ignatius
Ignatius's picture

People with an environmental mind confuse pollution (a real problem) with a fear of human caused global warming (a theory that may prove true, but is many orders of magnitude more complicated than identifying pollution problems).

AGW is now religion for many.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 01:21 | 5817447 bag holder
bag holder's picture

In late antiquity, Ravenna was a coastal city, and the Isthmus of Corinth was half a mile wide. The fact of non-anthropogenic climate change seems to get lost in the politics.

Then again, AGW is the perfect crisis for an era of narcissism.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:27 | 5817134 Bollixed
Bollixed's picture

Certainly not at my buddy's house in Florida who's lived on a canal for the last 20 years with no problems.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:35 | 5817169 nmewn
nmewn's picture

Same here, a buddy behind Weedons Island in the Burg, 30yrs. The barnacle & oyster line is exactly where it has always been on the seawall.

Its like science or sumpin ;-) 

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:31 | 5817148 czarangelus
Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:42 | 5817183 Buster Cherry
Buster Cherry's picture

Help me understand then , if the seas are really rising, why do I still have to go thru the boat cut of the Galveston north jetty if I want to fish the Gulf side without going around the end? The jetties.were.built in the 1890's, yet they remain visible to all.

Maybe the sea.level was higher around the disappearing islands?

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:45 | 5817201 czarangelus
czarangelus's picture

Maybe for the same reason the east and west locks of the Panama Canal are at different altitudes? Currents and sea temperature make a difference you know.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:55 | 5817241 Mayer Amschel R...
Mayer Amschel Rothschild's picture

You're like stomach cancer only more depressing.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:48 | 5817387 yrbmegr
yrbmegr's picture

Because it's only rising 2 mm/yr at the Galveston North Jetty (but it IS rising).

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:41 | 5817188 nmewn
nmewn's picture

Tectonics, asshole.

Read a book.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 10:10 | 5818042 flapdoodle
flapdoodle's picture

The Telegraph is pure Tavistock.

Information is like food - you need to work at it and only ingest that which provides nutrition and avoid junk lest you become a mindless zombie (perhaps its too late for you).

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:27 | 5817329 Calmyourself
Calmyourself's picture

The islands inundated has been debunked so many times only a true idiot or Batt77 peterpuffers dare push it..  I name him peterpuffer, was that insensitive of me??

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:38 | 5817359 Miffed Microbio...
Miffed Microbiologist's picture

Dear Lord who knows but damn, it sounds awful. Maybe we should form a task force to find out and implement strategies to rescue them. Doesn't anybody care about anyone anymore? This place is filled with heartless cretins!

Miffed

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:41 | 5817369 Bollixed
Bollixed's picture

You sound miffed...

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 01:05 | 5817422 Miffed Microbio...
Miffed Microbiologist's picture

Certainly not with you. You are no cretin by any means!

Funny, I started here three years ago as Miffed. I think I have transcended to a new level. Now to find a new word but keeping the alliteration.

Miffed;-)

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 01:14 | 5817437 OldPhart
OldPhart's picture

May I suggest Mother-Frigging Pissed Microbiologist?

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 01:26 | 5817456 Bollixed
Bollixed's picture

Miff, I was bollixed when I came here 3+ years ago and I may be more bollixerd now than I was then. Always look forward to your comments.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 04:18 | 5817621 ebear
ebear's picture

Miffed works just fine for me.  It suggests someone of high moral character looking down in distain on that which is clearly wrong.   It's what a dignified English woman would be if, say, a V2 rocket landed in her arboretum.  (thinking Python here.... work with me)

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 03:29 | 5817587 ebear
ebear's picture

 

"Where would that be?" World Of Watercraft. This here is kind of a disgrace though: http://www.thestar.com/news/world/2012/05/27/how_a_tiny_pacific_island_w...
Mon, 02/23/2015 - 13:29 | 5818673 Miffed Microbio...
Miffed Microbiologist's picture

That is so tragic. Sometimes we humans ar indistinguishable from locusts. Madly reproduce, rape the land and move on leaving devastation behind. When will it end? Probably only when too late.

Miffed

P.S. I wish if ever faced with the scenario you so described I would act with such grace and gentility as you deemed me capable. The dark side of me winces in embarrassment where it, unfortunately in reality, may end up. It's like reading history. Are these words true interpretion of fact or a glorification to inspire us how to think of past events? Who knows. Maybe the reason I fight skepticism.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:19 | 5817089 farmerbraun
farmerbraun's picture

You forgot the sarc tag.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:29 | 5817139 Ms. Erable
Ms. Erable's picture

...because land never sinks and water only rises, amirite?

But sometimes islands capsize because there are too many heavy things on them. It must be true; I heard it from a congresscritter.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:37 | 5817177 Duc888
Duc888's picture

We're all set here, plenty of Somalis in Lewiston Maine.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:29 | 5817336 Calmyourself
Calmyourself's picture

If used correctly they make an excellent seawall, hold back the tide ala Canute..

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 01:12 | 5817433 OldPhart
OldPhart's picture

For God's Sakes!  It's worse than expected...whole islands tipped over!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zNZczIgVXjg

 

Is a /sarc actually required here?

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 22:55 | 5817021 RushRoolz
RushRoolz's picture

All I know is... for the love of God would someone send some global warming here to the Northeast?!

 

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:16 | 5817083 PacOps
PacOps's picture

No, you may not have any. From what I hear, Putins about to fart in your general direction again anyway.

 

/

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:34 | 5817162 Bollixed
Bollixed's picture

Compared to Obomba that would be a breath of fresh air.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 01:15 | 5817442 OldPhart
OldPhart's picture

LOL!! Upvote!

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:39 | 5817185 Hulk
Hulk's picture

I thought after the year 2000, snow was gong to be as rare as a congress critter with integrity !!!

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 06:57 | 5817720 yrbmegr
yrbmegr's picture

On its way.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 22:56 | 5817023 hotrod
hotrod's picture

Let's hope further debate is Scientific and not political.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:09 | 5817060 forexskin
forexskin's picture

snoball's chance in hell...

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 04:06 | 5817613 ebear
ebear's picture

good luck getting it past guys like this:

3. The climate of Earth, our home planet, is, to put it as politely as possible, completely fucked. Now, there are quite a few people who think that radically altering the planet's atmospheric and ocean chemistry and physics by burning just over half the fossilized hydrocarbons that could possibly be dug up using industrial methods means nothing, and that what we are observing is just natural climate variability. These people are morons. I will delete every single one of the comments they submit in response to this post, but in spite of my promise to do so, I assure you that they will still submit them... because they are morons. [Update: Yes indeed they have, QED.]

Read the rest here:

http://cluborlov.blogspot.ca/2015/02/extinctextincterextinctest.html

 

Nothing like a True Believer to stifle debate.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:18 | 5817087 ISEEIT
ISEEIT's picture

LOL>>>>

 

It's ALL political now because these monsters can't compete if truth (science) is an arbiter.

Kinda like why we don't use real money as a medium of exchange. Gold (metal) sets limits.

These shitheads CAN'T survive in a reality is king environment.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 06:40 | 5817706 verum quod lies
verum quod lies's picture

Bingo, winner, winner chicken dinner.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 22:57 | 5817025 Number 156
Number 156's picture

So where will I redeem all these carbon credits I purchased?

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:23 | 5817111 PacOps
PacOps's picture

Same (non-existant) place you recycle your bottles and cans that you now pay the state 0.10 a pop on. (Its such a hassel now we just chuck 'em in the recycle bin anymore)

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 01:25 | 5817452 OldPhart
OldPhart's picture

I'm the guy that raids your recycle bin once you set it out on the curb.  Thank you for your contribution.

That and my own prolific weekly consumption of MGD canned goods generates an extra $125 a week (I only do my street because I'm lazy and don't really need the money that bad.)

If I get laid off, my full time job would be raiding recycles the evening bins are set out.  And I would be very professional in not leaving a mess, leaving anything that isn't aluminum, and not gathering personal information.  Laid off my personal consumption of MGD would necessarily decline and I'd have a LOT more time to use in gathering and STILL be able to say I'm unemployed.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:34 | 5817164 WillyGroper
WillyGroper's picture

AlBore.com

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 22:58 | 5817030 hotrod
hotrod's picture

It became obvious when the name changed from Global Warming to Climate Change.   GW just was not selling.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:00 | 5817032 Carpenter1
Carpenter1's picture

Audit the FED, audit NASA, think I'm warming up to these guys. Led by a group of libertarians too, no wonder shit is happening.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:02 | 5817039 Stumpy4516
Stumpy4516's picture

Sniffing for a psyopp.  Control the investigation with a pretend opponent to avoid a real investigation that would show corruption with big dollars.

If either party start pointing at the geoengineering/chemtrail program we will have some fireworks.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:06 | 5817048 Cautiously Pess...
Cautiously Pessimistic's picture

I am pretty sure NASA's main purpose is muslim outreach, right?  So what in Sam Hill is all this commotion over long term termprature manipulation about?  Wow...talk about mission creep!

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:07 | 5817054 LetsGetPhysical
LetsGetPhysical's picture

I remember recently NASA issued a statement that the SUN "could" effect climate.... Go figure, that giant ball of fusion that's responsible for all life on earth "could" alter the weather. Science bitchez.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:08 | 5817057 Goldilocks
Goldilocks's picture

Chemtrails are COAL ASH
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6r0GqbH9Os (12:31)

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:09 | 5817058 buzzsaw99
buzzsaw99's picture

everything is a scam

everything is a lie

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:09 | 5817061 BolshevikPartyP...
BolshevikPartyPlanningCommitee's picture

Let's dive into this subject a little deeper, shall we?

https://thezog.wordpress.com/who-is-behind-the-climate-change-hoax/

 

As with anything else the same applies:  WITH JEWS, YOU LOSE.

 

The jews need to repay us, but they won't.

The jews need to cease fire, but they won't.

Crank up the woodchipper

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:13 | 5817064 Chupacabra-322
Chupacabra-322's picture

Why don't these Criminal fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. Board of Directors aka CONgress investigate actual Crimes: IE.

Torture
NSA Global Spying / Espionage
Illegal Wars of Aggression
Drone Assassinations
Exporting debt / inflation
False Flags
CIA drug smugling / money laundering through the TBTFBanksters
CIA Destabiliaztion campaigns of Soverign Nations, ie. Ukraine
Bengazi, arming, funding & training of Al CIA duh terror organizations

Oh, that's rigjt. Criminals do not investigate Criminals.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:11 | 5817065 BeerMe
BeerMe's picture

NASA needs to go.  I used to be a big supporter, but if they aren't expanding into space they serve no purpose.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 04:12 | 5817619 Bazza McKenzie
Bazza McKenzie's picture

I'm pretty sure Obama gave them some more important job -- something to do with making Muslims feel good about themselves.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:11 | 5817066 X86BSD
X86BSD's picture

Oh no! Not sen. Inhofe! A more glorious example of honesty and integ.... Bwahahahaha oh fuck me I almost got through that statement. Almost! Criminal lying fuckbags investigating a science organization. What could possibly go wrong? Why don't you two useless fuckwits in congress roll out a guillotine and lop off Yellens fucking head! Do something useful! You shitbags. You climate warming deniers, are the same homophobic asshats that swore the earth would reverse its orbit and plunge into the sun if gays were allowed to marry. Fuck off and die you witch burners!

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:25 | 5817130 farmerbraun
farmerbraun's picture

"You climate warming deniers,"

 

Who are you talking about?  Sure the climate warms ; sometimes it cools . If we knew exactly why , then there would be no need to be investigating climate change mechanisms, right?

We don't know why it changes sometimes; so we can't say one way or the other about AGW. It's just a hypothesis that' not behaving according to predictions. Nothing has been shown.

Now that's science.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:53 | 5817396 Transformer
Transformer's picture

X86,  I always find it interesting that you AGW folks never reply with info or science, you only do name calling.  Do you realize that a large majority of engineers and scientists are very skeptical of the whole AGW thing?

And of course, you can come back with that 97%baloney stuff.  The criteria used to get to 97% would include me and most every other skeptic also, it is totally bogus.

So, here's a challenge for you.  Let's see you reply on the merits, you know, data, science, etc.  No name calling.  I bet you can't do it.  How about an intelligent discussion of the Maunder minimum, or the current sunspot activity levels (almost nil).  This is the kind of stuff that skeptics talk about.  Are you familiar with the mechanism where geomagnetic activity of the sun affects cloud formation on earth?

 

Well?

 

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 01:38 | 5817474 X86BSD
X86BSD's picture

It's not bogus. Thats the reality. Accept it or not. But that does not change the reality. NDT said it best...

http://mediamatters.org/video/2014/03/09/neil-degrasse-tyson-media-has-t...

 

 

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 04:10 | 5817616 Bazza McKenzie
Bazza McKenzie's picture

Hate to break this to you but you're neither Obama nor the Pope, so no one except you believes in the infallibility of your statements.

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 02:49 | 5817539 Ms No
Ms No's picture

I never understood how people could come to the conclusion that science is incorruptible... especially in this environment.  Apparently, its the one thing that's immune. 

 

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 00:36 | 5817352 Calmyourself
Calmyourself's picture

Witch burners?? Thats not fair the bitch didn't float so no burn..  Sure  would like to meet you we could talk about how best to use energy or burning witches I suppose, favorite fuels etc..

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 04:05 | 5817611 Bazza McKenzie
Bazza McKenzie's picture

No doubt you can provide a reference to your claim about "homophobic asshats that swore the earth would reverse its orbit and plunge into the sun if gays were allowed to marry", which actually identifies some of those "homophobic asshats" and their actual statements, so we aren't left with the impression you're one of those "Criminal lying fuckbags" that just makes things up, like so many of the AGW-faux-scientists the taxpayer is forced to pay for.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:16 | 5817082 cornfritter
cornfritter's picture

as someone hinted above, this is likely just propoganda / infighting amongst the various acronyms at the trough ( a funding skirmish)... though i personally have little doubt that said data was falsified.

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:22 | 5817105 monger
monger's picture

This really does begin to look like.. Zero Hedge is about as reliable of a news and opinion piece as piece of sit fox news and rush limboff to print crap like this as something we're supposed to believe???  One ahole reinterpreting the work of about six universities, climate data centers,.. whatever. Knuckledragging morons will cheer on! Great work!

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 02:22 | 5817516 JoJoJo
JoJoJo's picture

Universities - Spawners of so many genuii like Obama,Pelosi,Harf,Gruber,Gore,Psaki,Jerrit,Sebelius.Sorry but your treasured "neutral" scientists can be on the take like anyone else. What great good has Harvard provided for society in the last 40 years?

Mon, 02/23/2015 - 02:30 | 5817524 JoJoJo
JoJoJo's picture

Universities - Spawners of so many genuii like Obama,Pelosi,Harf,Gruber,Gore,Psaki,Jerrit,Sebelius.Sorry but your treasured "neutral" scientists can be on the take like anyone else. What great good has Harvard provided for society in the last 40 years?

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:24 | 5817118 Joe Tierney
Joe Tierney's picture

The Republicans have so damn much integrity, it's oozing out of every crevice like the guacamole that oozes out of a two-week-old diaper....

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:24 | 5817124 NoWayJose
NoWayJose's picture

And here is the scary part - the US has cut emissions and slapped on ALL KINDS of industry stifling controls since 1970. So even if we can show global cooling (or level temps), the environmentalists will point to all the regulations as their 'success'! Sort of like the Fed saying "sure we spent trillions and the economy sucks - but it would have sucked even more if we didn't".

Sun, 02/22/2015 - 23:27 | 5817138 exomike
exomike's picture

NOTICE: ON ANTHROPOGENIC GLOBAL WARMING AND CLIMATE CHANGE.

 

THERE IS NO FUCKING "DEBATE"! THE INHOFE/ROHRABACHER SYNDROME WILL DESTROY THE BIOSPHERE AND ALL HUMANITY WITH IT.

 

GOOD FUCKING RIDDANCE!

Do NOT follow this link or you will be banned from the site!