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Putin Slams Ukraine Decision To Cut-Off Gas To East As "Genocidal"

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Ukrainian authorities decision to halt gas supplies to Donetsk amid the ongoing humanitarian catastrophe occurring there "bear the hallmarks of genocide," blasted Russia's Vladimir Putin during an awkward press conference with Cyprus' President Nicos Anastasiades (who he had just agreed bilateral military and trade deals with). "Apparently, some responsible leaders of the modern-day Ukraine are unable to understand the importance of humanitarian issues," Sputnik News reports Putin concluded. In an attempt to gain leverage and force Ukraine's hand however, Russia's Gazprom has indicated it intends to suspend gas deliveries to Ukraine (and thus Europe via pipelines) unless Kiev makes a further prepayment.

 

Amid the cease-less-fire, Vladimir Putin is displeased...

Russian President Vladimir Putin said Wednesday the decision of the Ukrainian authorities to halt gas supplies to Donetsk amid the ongoing humanitarian catastrophe “bear hallmarks of genocide”.

 

“As if hunger [in Donetsk and Luhansk] was not enough – the OSCE has already stated that the region is experiencing a humanitarian catastrophe –  they had their gas supplies cut off. What would you call it? I would say this bears the hallmarks of genocide,” he said during a meeting with President of Cyprus Nicos Anastasiades.

 

"Apparently, some responsible leaders of the modern-day Ukraine are unable to understand the importance of humanitarian issues. It seems that the very notion of humanism has been forgotten," he added.

And, in apparently unconnected news, Russia intends to suspend gas deliveries to Ukraine unless Kiev makes a further prepayment as its current balance only covers three or four days' gas supply, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Wednesday...

"Prepayments, made by Ukrainian side, are enough for three - four days. If [further] payment is not made, Gazprom, in compliance with this contract, will halt the [gas] supplies," Putin said at a press conference.

 

"Naturally, it may create a certain threat for the transit to Europe," Putin added.

 

Ukraine's state energy company Naftogaz on Monday accused Russia's Gazprom of failing to deliver the gas for which Kiev had prepaid.

 

According to a statement by the company's press service, Gazprom was to deliver 114 cubic meters both on February 22 and February 23 but supplied only 47 and 39 million cubic meters on these dates instead, respectively.

 

On Tuesday, Gazprom head Alexei Miller, in turn, said that the amount of gas prepaid by Ukraine was estimated at 219 million cubic meters, enough for a couple of days only.

 

Kiev's massive gas debt, exceeding $5 billion at the time, forced Moscow to suspend gas deliveries to Ukraine for nearly six months in 2014. Deliveries resumed in early December under the so-called winter package deal, mediated by the European Union and signed by Gazprom and Naftogaz. The deal stipulated that Ukraine must pay Russia in advance for all future gas supplies.

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So, in summary, as UAH crashes into hyperinflation, the IMF (and US taxpayers') funds will be merely a direct funds transfer from the West to Russia (for gas supply services rendered) and Putin take the 'eye for an eye' analogy one step further - cut off supply to Donetsk and we cut off supply to everyone...

 

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Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:12 | 5828058 90's Child
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He's a little late, I would have called it genocidal when their main goal was to exterminate the ethic Russians out of Eastern Ukraine.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:15 | 5828071 90's Child
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Either way Putin wins

Supplies gas to Eastern Ukraine and demands payment from Kiev.
Kiev refuses to pay.
Supplies to Kiev / EU get cut off till they are forced to pay.

Lol

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:38 | 5828155 jldpc
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Putin has handled all of this badly like a thug. Instead of using military warfare, invasion of Crimea, and countless civilian deaths in East UK, not to mention the waste of a lot of good ammunition, he could have achieved all of his goals by merely turning off the gas supplies for real to EU UNTIL:

1. they handed over Crimea without a fight or complaint - making it  Ukrainian/Russian cooperative with open borders and co-locatedd  military bases - to fight the inevitable march of radical Islam up the coast and across the Black Se - just like Serbia protected Europe for thousands of years from the Muslim hoards - as Turkey will no doubt fall into Islamic extremism - go read the recent news about that great piece of crap country/leadership

2. they replaced the falsified government in Kiev - what a joke - on everyone - Obama's worst piece for the history books

3. the Europeans agreed to keep hands off and  UKraine free of NATO - Russia will get better - more democratic - after Putin - if it is less threatened - not more threatened

4. they allowed a full vote for the Donbast and neighboring provinces to choose federation inside Ukraine, or go their own way - why have a war if the majority want to go their own way? How stupid can you be?

5. the EU begged and got the USA to stop NATO militaization of countries bordering Russia proper - Russia has never attacked anyine unless in defense and retaliation - go read your history books

6. They dropped the sanctions nonsense - it only hurts all the cross border businessess so many millions rely upon

7. Finally saw Russian alliance for the USA (soon to be faiing slobbering MEX-America) and thus a 3rd rate country needing a strong ally to stand up to China - the growing menace for all of the above.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:47 | 5828198 90's Child
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Wrong, after the coup in Kiev, Eastern Ukraine refused to follow suit.

Donbas and Lugnask choose to start their own federation that's when Kiev started waging war on Eastern Ukraine.

All this happened before Putin started 'backing' the "rebels"

If anything Putin should recieve phrase for saving countless lives for helping prevent the nazi junta from cleansing Eastern Ukriane of the 'sub humans'.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 16:26 | 5828367 COSMOS
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I go through my day and I realize I dont need all this ipad junk, the most important thing is gas in my car and gas for my house furnace to keep from freezing.  Russia has all of that, they dont need the products from the EU, they dont need the fancy Italian luxury goods or French facial creams to survive.  They manufacture their own heavy industrial equipment, they have their own tractors to till the fields, with full gasoline tanks.  Ultimately it is the Euros who will suffer as the lose their biggest trading partner and their most reliable and cheap energy provider. 

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 16:05 | 5828281 earnulf
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In regards to your point number 5, exactly how do you define the dividing up of Poland by Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia in 1939?    Yeah, it's in the history books.   Neither defense nor retaliation but cold blooded, offensive assault and murder.

Kinda like Crimea, 2014.   Or the baltic states in 1939-40.   Yeah, "defense and retailiation only".

 

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 16:36 | 5828426 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Pretty simplistic assessment.

Here's a brief article which doesn't make excuses but does provide a more logical rationale. Maybe it's not for you, but those seeking something beyond the level of bumper sticker sloganeering may find it of interest.

http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/molotovs-grandson-and-ribbentrops-s...

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 16:42 | 5828445 Volkodav
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Ignorant post

Please do not conflate Soviet USSR with Russian Federation

Soviet was never a Russian construct

From 1917 thru Stalin was never Russians in control

Stalin was not a Russian. He was a Georgian criminal from youth.

Even Kruschev and Bresnev were Ukrainian nationals

 

As far as Germany actions against Poles WW2, better learn real history,

much different than you were told....

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 17:01 | 5828552 angel_of_joy
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... In regards to your point number 5, exactly how do you define the dividing up of Poland by Nazi Germany and Soviet Russia in 1939?

Peace keeping mission. Exactly as US did in Yugoslavia...

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 17:16 | 5828625 bid the soldier...
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Thanks for the trip all the way down memory lane to 1939.

 

Why don't you read about the phony referendum in Hawaii in 1957 when they voted for statehood. 

All the American servicemen stationed there got to vote.  And there was no option for the native Hawaiians to become self-governing.

Or go farther back to some Humpty Dumpty indian massacre. 

It's all shit, dude.  And nobody's shit is smellier than ours.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 18:40 | 5828970 N2OJoe
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Oh MANY others' shit is smellier than ours. We just go around shoving ours in everyone elses faces.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 17:46 | 5828742 Philby MI6
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Modern democratic Russia is not the USSR. Putin's legitimacy has never between questioned, not even by the Americans. He has won numerous elections with huge majorities. After the US bombed Serbia into submission in 1999, Russians woke up and understood they needed to stand up to naked American aggression and abuse of their considerable military power.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 12:01 | 5831434 Morbid
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im afraid you have become a victim of misinformation.

stalin knew that germany would attack ussr. now, if you were aware of geopolitics then it would be a no-brainer that its more beneficial for nazis to station half way in poland rather than by the ussr borders. in fact stalin ordered red army to enter poland more than two weeks after germany's army after all diplomacy failed as a result of international community failing to 'notice'. - same stuff happening today really.

this phony 'stalin and hitler split poland simulaneously' is just a myth.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 16:08 | 5828288 Bingo Hammer
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That all sounds great and would work out if you were talking about some far off fairy land, but their is way more going on inside and around the Ukraine than any of us have any real knowledge of or be able to comprehend. Deep unseen geopolitical, societal and economic tides are churning around the world; the surface waves and froth tell us little of what's really happening below.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 06:18 | 5830561 katkan
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why have a war if the majority want to go their own way? How stupid can you be?

 

Because that is the part of the country that ALL THE VALUE IS IN. Less than 1/10th of the area and 1/6 th o the population, they provide more than21% of the GDP and 30 someting of exports.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:17 | 5828073 ThirdWorldDude
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He's far from late.

If you've noticed, when Russian officials make public claims they have evidence that backs them.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 16:03 | 5828268 Stumpy4516
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ThirdWorldDude:

Putin is not late?!  The cutting off of gas to EUke tells him geoncide is happening but he never got a clue from all the bombs, bullets, white phosporus, executions of civilians etc..  Is he that dense or did he just not know it was happening?

Who cares if Putin has evidence to back up his claims (and he does), he does nothing.

Putin sells gas to WUke at a Discount!  Profits!  Now that gas sells will be reduced (loss of profits) he stands up.  He did not do so due to the killing of the EUke's now did he.  No, he sold gas at a discount to the people who were killing the EUke's.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:21 | 5828074 knukles
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An' so it all comes back to Gas-A-Pip-A-Leenies.  Who-da-thunk?

OH ans a PSS as per that prior article today about Ms LeGardeorwhateverhernameiswiththeadamsapple funding Ukraine but bitching about Greece.
Here's the reason!
Oppps!|
All about the gas pipelines, again!
Fuck me
Whdathunk?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ngvt9tPROzc

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:31 | 5828121 LawsofPhysics
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Potentially, in either case the majority of the gas is coming from Russian wells in the first place.

Fuck the E.U., at least that cunt got something right. God help the world when Russia and China become the "cleanest dirty shirt"...

we all know everyone is a fucking criminal now...

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 16:08 | 5828289 GoldenGeezer
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The criminals were on parade in Estonia recently. Just a few hundred yards from the Russian border.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2968408/Going-toe-toe-Putin-Brit...

I don't usually read the Daily Mail but I was too lazy to search out a better source for the article.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 16:40 | 5828444 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Somehow I think the Daily Mail might have missed this part of the parade.

NATO Military Parade in Narva, Estonia, greeted by...Russian flag and Soviet national anthem
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/02/nato-military-parade-in-narva-eston...

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:22 | 5828080 One And Only
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The genocide is real. Brian Williams reported on it from the actual event.

Also Senator Inhofe received youtube videos from unamed Ukraine officials.

So this is happening.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:20 | 5828091 neptunium
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This is one of several hundred steps of escalation that Russia can threaten Europe with, all the way up to major redeployment of tacnukes, this will end up dividing the European powers big time, especially those like Merkel who have some inkling of what Russia is capable of - the idea of quisling lightweights like David Cameron trying to take on Putin sends shivers down my spine. This is simply a case of a divided state with divdided identity, language, and ethnicity being pulled in two directions by major powers, at some point something has to snap and the ultimate solution to this needs to be for people's inalienable right to self-determintation be respected whether that agrees with Western notions of what Ukraine should be or not. 

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:33 | 5828135 godiva chocolate
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Self-determination is allowed in the world only when it benefits US's interests.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:58 | 5828240 tired1
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Sorry, I havn't seen US interests being served anywhere, including the US.

It's almost like all these events were servig some unknown, dark forces (for the first time in recorded history.)

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 18:29 | 5828924 flapdoodle
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There are no "US Interests".Just who, pray tell, is looking out for the "US Interests"? Anybody home?

The US is a disposible asset, a resource available to the Zionist Inner-Party to achieve their aims, whether as cannon fodder in the final push to the NWO, or as overfed goyim ripe for organ harvesting and bank account confiscation.

If the US ends up a smoking pile of nuclear ash is of no concern to those who run the show.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:37 | 5828148 Jstanley011
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Self determination be damned. What the U.S. State Department says, goes. So what if we've left a trail of wrecked countries behind us? You pro-democracy types, don't make us turn the NSA on your asses.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 17:00 | 5828547 Againstthelie
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Russia threatens Europe, because it expects the gas it delivers should be paid?

Jesus.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 18:02 | 5828791 Miss Expectations
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+1 for Quisling

"This is simply a case of a divided state with divided identity, language, and ethnicity being pulled in two directions by major powers..."

I don't think that Ukranians are divided on identity, language or ethnicity...My Ukranian grandfather spoke both Russian and Ukranian.  My Lithuanian grandmother spoke Ukranian, Lithuanian, Russian and Polish.  If they were truely divided,  why the need to import mercenaries? (Not to say that powerful forces aren't trying to pull them apart, because they are.)

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:21 | 5828096 Chupacabra-322
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Vlad just cut a huge SBD fart.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:24 | 5828105 Joe Tierney
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I have some gas Poroshenko is welcome to....

 

Breathe deep the gathering gloom.....

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:26 | 5828109 hungrydweller
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I see it coming.  We keep forcing Putin's hand until things escalate to the point he invades eastern Ukraine for "humanitarian" purposes.  That gives us the green light to invade Syria for "humanitarian" purposes and gives the Saudis and Qataris a pipeline path to Europe.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:33 | 5828136 Winston Churchill
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You think thos S400's that the Iranians are thinking about deploying, aren't already deployed

in Iran and Syria ?

Thats not how govt's work, and my beachront property in Utah is still for sale if you're interested.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:49 | 5828212 Stumpy4516
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Do the Iranians have S400's?  That is news if so.  Last I had heard Putin CANCELLED the contract to sell them to Iran.  Has that changed?

Syria has them?  Now that is really news.  Why have they not used them?  Israel and others fly planes into Syria and bomb the hell out to the Syrian army and resources?  What are they waiting for.  If they have them and are not using them it is under orders from Putin.  It is almost too late anyway due to the inaction to assist Syria.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:59 | 5828251 Winston Churchill
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Just as I saw AWAC's in Saudi a full six monthes before it was announced they might be sold to Saudi,I take any govt. announcement as the fait accompli signal.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 16:59 | 5828543 bid the soldier...
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The US had Israel bomb some weapon depots in 2013 to destroy Russian Yakhonts supposedly stored there.  The bombing hit the targets but Washington doesn't know if any Yakhonts were destroyed.

 

Washington or its proxy will fly around anywhere killing people; some who were targeted, some just innocent victims of American aggression

I'm sure you must be very proud of your country's handiwork and are sorry you didn't go into politics after college instead of used car sales.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 17:33 | 5828686 Stumpy4516
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Israel flew jets into Syria again in December 2014 and bombed targets.  US/Israel proxy's and the US fly jets into Syria to bomb targets now and continue to do so.  Putin did not supply missiles to Syria out of fear they might be used against US/NATO/Israel.  Putin controls Syria's reaction by threatenting to discontinue arms sells, thus he can and has dictated that Syria not shoot at US/NATO/Israel planes and in this way continues to sacrifice Syria to a slow painful destruction and demise.  Putin is afraid of engaging these forces even through a proxy  such as Syria.  I see now reason Iran will be any different.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 19:56 | 5829207 bid the soldier...
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Stumpy

I see now (sic) reason Iran will be any different.

Google proven crude oil reserves of Syria and then proven crude oil reserves of Iran.  It should joggle your thought process.

 Putin controls Syria's reaction by threatenting to discontinue arms sells, thus he can and has dictated that Syria not shoot at US/NATO/Israel planes 

I doubt very much if Putin has to threaten to discontinue arms sale to Syria to get Assad to do what's best for Syria, if the US is its enemy.  There's no difference between Syria not using advanced Russian missiles against US/Israel/NATO and France not delivering the Mistral.

There were many more attacks against Syrian installations in the first half of 2013, up to the time of the rebel's false flag gas attack, which the US was planned to use as a casus belli to enter the revolt.  Until Putin met with Obama and threatened a tit for tat response with Syria's 'Yakhont' for a cruise missle attack from an American warship

The US knew about Russia's hypersonic land-to-ship missiles and didn't want to lose a cruiser, learning moar about them.


 

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 17:39 | 5828709 besnook
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iran now has the latest russian technology.

http://rt.com/news/234855-russia-iran-missiles-deal/

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 17:50 | 5828753 Stumpy4516
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No, Iran does not have the Russian technology.  The manufacturer has offered to sell the weapons but this would have to be approved by the Russian govt..  The Russian govt. cancelled it's previous approval to sell older technology to Iran due to the US/Israel sanctions on Iran.  Iran has even filed a lawsuit against Russia over the previous contract for Russia's failure to perform. 

Not what I would call a shining confidence building strategy by Putin.  It shows Iran cannot count on Putin any more than Syria has been able to.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 19:12 | 5829030 flapdoodle
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I can guarantee you that you have no idea whether or not Iran has S-300s, or S-400s, or "the latest Anteh-2500", or why Putin is, or isn't insisting that Israeli incursions into Syria be resisted. He certainly won't ask you first whether or not its a good strategy.

Putin, Assad and the Ayatollahs didn't sign any agreement to inform you before they agree upon a new weapon system, or upon any actions they deem necessary, and all are playing their cards *very* close to the chest.

This is real, high stakes life - not a game, not a source of entertainment.

Read between the lines - the Israelis apparently believe Putin  *has* sent the latest systems to Iran, else they probably would have tried to take out Iran's nuclear capability by now.

The best way to get an adversary to reveal the details of a new weapon is to get them to use it against unimportant targets... Putin is wise to keep his powder dry.

Firing up the S-300 or 400 against some Israeli air attacks in Syria is not necessarily a good idea - by not using them, they remain a much stronger deterrent - if you know exactly how powerful they are, you can dial in the extra assets to still be successful. If you don't know, your risks go up because you may underestimate, and lose badly.

Imagine the headline "Israel launches failed attack against Iran" versus "Despite heavy losses, Israel still succeeds in destroying Natanz labs".

As the 2006 war shows, Israel has boxed themselves into a corner - not being overwhelmingly successful means their neighbours may see a weakness and go for some payback. For this reason, Israel keeps to killing children in Gaza, much easier target, ironically making eventual payback that much bloodier.

Putin is apparently much more cool headed than you give him credit for... unlike poofters Cameron and Obama.

 

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 20:02 | 5829218 Stumpy4516
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All you are doing is repeating the so very tired meme of -- Putins in ability to act is not due to his impotence but is a sign he is a great chess player.  That just doesn't cut it anymore.

Russia openly agreed to sell the systems and then cancelled it.  It is that simple.

Keeping the powder dry?  For what?  Russia kept the powder dry in Libya, great chess move for Libya.  But we just are not smart enough to see how Putin is going to bring all the dead people of Libya back to life.   Now Syria is largely destroyed and could be finished soon, but Putin is keeping the powder dry and playing chess.  No, Putin will not engage, the missiles are not there, Syria will not be defended by Putin. 

Iran is not attacked yet because Syria is not finished yet.  When Libya was being destroyed it was clear Syria was in the que, same now for Iran.  And unless US troops will lead as in Iraq it will not start with a massive air strike but will  resemble Libya and Syria. 

You are correct Putin is cool headed.  He is ice cold about letting Libya and Syria be totally destroyed and the people murdered. 

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 20:06 | 5829239 bid the soldier...
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umm

The manufacturer has offered to sell the weapons but this would have to be approved by the Russian govt

You have it wrong, Stump.  The manufacturer IS the government.  Or government owned.

The government that isn't sure is the Iranian government. "We'll get back to you next week if we want them."

The missiles in question are just a bargaining chip in the Iran/US nuclear weapons talks.  If Kerry slams his dick on the table and says "no deal", he's aware that the Iranians will buy the supposedly state of the art missiles and Israel will be tasked to see how good they are

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 20:24 | 5829306 Stumpy4516
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umm, you are wrong.  The company is partially or largely owned by the govt but there is still a process before these types of weapons can be sold.  And since you think otherwise, why has Putin refused to abide by the prior agreement to sell missiles to Iran?  Iran has sued Russia for failure to do just what you say the CEO of this company can do on his own, sell missiles.  Iran has been trying for 5yrs (I think) to force Putin to sell as per the contract.

This offer made by the company rep is not a bargaining chip being played by Iran but is a bargaining chip being played by Putin.  Putin is putting out there to the US/Israel that he might actually sell modern missiles to Iran if pushed (not if Iran is pushed).  Having the company rep do it was a cleaver way to put it out there without commiting to it.

Iran does have difficult choices to make.  First, Putin will only sell supplies but will not become engaged should Iran be attacked.  So, does Iran buy missiles and chance preemptive strikes by US/Israel/NATO but possibly putting itself in a better position to defend itself once they are deployed.  Or does Iran try to negotiate with these people, hoping they are trustworthy and regardless of any agreements do not use a proxy to begin the attack on Iran as they did in Libya and Syria.

 

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 21:15 | 5829499 bid the soldier...
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No, George Soros does not own 24% of Rostec

 Russia has offered Iran its latest Antey-2500 missiles, the head of Russian state defense conglomerate Rostec 

 

Rostec(Russian:??????-Rostekh), formerlyRostekhnologii(Russian:?????????????) is a Russianstate corporation(anon-profit entity type) established in late 2007 to promote development, production and export of hi-tech industrial products for civil and defense sectors. It brings together 663 entities which form 13 holding companies.[2]Eight holding companies operate in the defense-industry complex and five of them are involved in civil sectors.[3]Rostec’s organizations are located in 60 constituents of the Russian Federation and supply goods to over 70 countries worldwide.[4]

Rostekhnologii was founded in 2007 as so called "state corporation", a very specialtype of legal entity in Russia. The state corporation is established by equity contribution made by theRussian Federation.

"but still there is a process before these types of weapons can be sold."

If you cant tell us moar about the process, we will be forced to assume that the process is a text message from Putin to Chemezov.

It appears to me the Putin you are talking about is  the pre-Maidan, pre-sanctions Putin. The Putin, who in 2010 when he cancelled the S-300 sale, was not aware what slime the West had become.

Putin's offer of Antey-2500 just 2 days ago, comes a few days after Kerry, who is negotiating  the Iran Nuclear Talks in public, said that there would be no extension of the talks when they expire in a month.

Talks between Kerry and Iranian Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif in Geneva ended Monday, with a March 31 deadline to reach a framework deal looming. Discussions will resume next Monday at a location to be announced.

With Iran now having an option on a few Antey-2500, dollars to donuts hairy Kerry will agree to a change in the deadline. 

 

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 21:52 | 5829666 Stumpy4516
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Iran is not suing the company but Russia.  Because it is not the company who decided but the govt..  Same with the approvals, the company starts it but the govt has the final say.  Do you think US arms manufacturers can sell missiles without getting final govt approval.  Do you know the exact process?

Putin never reversed the decision not to sell to Iran.  Last I read the lawsuit was still active.

Putin did not offer to sell the weapons, this was not fronted during a meeting with Putin.  Can you reference where Putin has announced he or the govt has approved sales of missiles under either the original contract (that Putin has not honored) or a new agreement?  You just have a company rep indicating he is willing to sell if allowed and Iran is willing to buy.

Now, if Putin is such a reliable character why did he not remove his clamp down and follow the original contract 3yrs ago, 2yrs ago, 1 yr ago?  Russia also agreed back then to sell to Syria.  Why has Putin turned his back on Syria and refused to honor the contract while Syria is destroyed?   Since the missiles would scare off the US from a proxy war in Iran would they not scare the proxy army right out of Syria?   

And for those who say the missiles are already in Syria and Iran, then why the charade?  Why does Assad allow the destruction by bombing raids. 

Iraq, Libya, Syria ....  Iran. 

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 20:12 | 5829256 Volkodav
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You assume too much,

no insider, you...

 

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:27 | 5828113 LawsofPhysics
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Wait what?  Isn't the gas coming from Russia in the first place?  Sounds more to me like Putin wants an excuse to shut the fucking gas off to the E.Z.


Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:31 | 5828128 Stoploss
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Yeah, but not for much longer...

Brrrr.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:28 | 5828118 Fun Facts
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The US sponsored zio neo nazi government of Ukraine

Please see zio neo nazi Rahl Emanuel's Chicago urban torture center too

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:36 | 5828138 Peter Pan
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By the way what is happening with that crash investigation the west has been conducting?

It seems they are taking a long time to manufacture the evidence.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 16:29 | 5828389 Volkodav
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Same as Maidan snipers, Mariupol and Odessa murders....

 

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 17:07 | 5828582 Two dogs
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No need to manufacture evidence - just let it disappear down the memory hole. Though it is recorded somewhere.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:38 | 5828158 SmittyinLA
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bullkish for gaz

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:41 | 5828170 sudzee
Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:46 | 5828190 TMLutas
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Gas cuts are genocidal. OK, got it. By that standard how many genocides is Putin guilty of? Pot meet kettle. 

Obama's choice to wrestle Iran out of its Russian box has got to be rattling Putin at this point. Iranian pipelines to the gulf mean Russia's western gas policy is dead man waling. 

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:52 | 5828220 Winston Churchill
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Iran is about to join the SCO as a full member.ie a full ally of China and Russia.

Obozo is getting snowed in a delaying tactic.The US raproachment is twenty years too late.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 16:26 | 5828368 Volkodav
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BS          Russia has always been reliable supplier

Kiev has always been problem since USSR ended, mainly stealing gas for own pockets...to become billionaires

 

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 16:44 | 5828472 bid the soldier...
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How many Iranians have Israel murdered?

You call that wrestling Iran out of Russia's box.

I call it the Israeli SS doing Washington's bidding

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 17:36 | 5828693 besnook
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funny stuff. obambam and shrub have killed millions of people but putin has committed genocide by trying to prevent another one. iran is going to rush into usa arms? really? i don't even think huffnpuffers would buy that.

where do they find you guys?

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 19:26 | 5829112 flapdoodle
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The Iran-US kabuki dance is very interesting, and very telling.

My guess is that the US is genuinely terrified of what will happen when Israel trys to strike Iran (clearly the Israeli's want the US to do it instead, but in a rare display of sobriety the US sees that to not be such a good idea)

As a result, they are making a last ditch effort at diplomacy. I personally believe Iran is playing "rope-a-dope" with the US to string this out just as long as they can, before finally saying no.

I don't for a second think the that Iranians actually trust any agreement that the US were to sign - particularly given the Israeli influence in the US Congress to just ignore any accord and take advantage of Iran letting down its guard.

I suspect what is going on in the Ukraine is reminding the Iranians of what the Anglo-Zionist empire is capable of doing (as if they needed reminding).

Things will be much clearer, and the pace will quicken quite a bit if some sort or agreement is reached, or more likely, the talks break down definitively.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:51 | 5828217 Farmer Joe in B...
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We (the unholy alliance of the "west") are getting severely outmatched by Russia. 

It's like watching Federer destroy some middle school kid.

Game.  Set.  Match.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 15:57 | 5828237 gcjohns1971
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I certainly think that the Ukraine is wrong to cut off gas to Eastern Ukraine during the winter just because they are in rebellion and cannot pay.

But I also think it is wrong for Russia to cut off the gas to Ukraine during the winter just because they are in rebellion and cannot pay.

The humanitarian issue is a two-edged sword.

I don't see the issue with Kiev is that they are Nazi's.  The issue is that they are autocrats, prohibiting a language in widespread use by millions, and making other perjorative rules.

Of course...the same issue exists with Russia.

I wish neither of them were in this position, that everyone could get along, take what they need, and pay for it.

But most of all I wish that on every side people could resolve their differences without resorting to the use of Force though the deployment of Armies, and that the autocrats on all sides would compromise before the use of force through the deployment of Armies became necessary.

But people are full of bluster, presuming that their ability to destroy gives them a right to rule...or destroy. 

It doesn't.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 16:02 | 5828267 tired1
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' gives them a right to rule...or destroy. '

Somebody should hire a bunch of lawyers and take somebody to court, that'l show em.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 16:08 | 5828290 Jano
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who inflicted the troubles, he has to pay: the USG.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 16:21 | 5828345 Volkodav
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Kiev can pay.

They don't want to.

 

 

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 16:38 | 5828435 corsair
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Seems like you missed a key difference in that parallel you made:

Ukraine did cut off gas to Eastern Ukraine.

Putin threatens to cut off gas to Ukraine.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 16:17 | 5828323 Shekels
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Putinski needs to listen to his handlers. the zio-banksters have told him to self-destruct!

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 17:02 | 5828555 krage_man
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To explain what happens here - Putin is forcing EU to pay for natural gas to East Ukraine region. Without payments, Ukraine will not get any gas, but it is bankrupt, so it will start using gas destined to EU otherwise EU pay for it itself. But the gas will be split into 2 part - to Ukraine and to Eastern Ukraine. The previous contract arguably allows it. So, EU is forced to pay for gas to rebels to ensure the flow of gas to itself! Well done, Vlad!

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 17:22 | 5828631 Two dogs
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Kiev has a $17.5 billion lifeline from the IMF alone. With other contributions, it has access to about $40 billion over the next four years or so. This is on top of what they have already been gifted by the IMF and the USA over the years ($10 billion ish?). Much of this money is precisely so that it CAN pay its gas bills, so your suggestion that it can not pay its gas bill is pure bollocks. Kiev is simply trying to freeze the East into submission. Heroic stuff.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 18:27 | 5828910 krage_man
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The lifeline is not approved yet and has strings attached. The parlament is refusing to vote for such stings so far. It has a reason. Like after it, payments  for  basic services - heat, gas, electicity will exceed average monthly salary! Another condition is restructure debt, which Putin refuses.

Now, Ukraine has a couple of billions left and this is it, huge debt on salary to goverment workers, no tax collection 30% fall of industrial output, etc.

Basically, it import much moren than exports so its money pot is melting 

IMF will give the money under pressure from US/EU to preserve the gas flow but this will never be paid back. I question if donors would agree to lose money this way at all... Ukraine need about 150 billions to recover..

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 17:23 | 5828653 Anunnaki
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Do it Vlad! Do it!

Cameron's bullshit should be the final straw. Quit letting those effing Europoodles dictate to you like a schoolboy. Yank on some tits

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 18:05 | 5828804 tarabel
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So let's see if I have this straight....

If Ukraine cuts off natural gas to a region that is in rebellion against it, that is genocide.

If Russia cuts off gas to Ukraine, a country it pinky-swears it is not at war with, that is just business.

Is it genocide if Russia cuts off the gas to Ukraine and thus cuts off the gas to the rebels?

I'm confused.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 18:16 | 5828853 krage_man
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Let me explain. This is duty of the state to provide basic services to ALL citizens. If Ukraine says that East Ukraine is part of Ukraine, it mist pay pensions and social services as in other regions. If it refuses to do it to ethnical Russians who speak Russian language, then it is genocide. But with gas, the state has to pay to natural gas providers to get the good for itscitizens, Russian is not refusing to suply gas because they are Ukrainins but because they do not pay.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 20:08 | 5828892 bid the soldier...
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Oh, don't be confused, tarabel.  When you're confused, we're all confused.

A long, long time ago the Ukrainian Gas Co. signed a deal with the Russian gas people and the Ukrainians agreed to prepay for Russian gas.

What could be simplier than that?  Then the gonifs advising President Poroshenko (namely Nuland) told him to tell the Ukrainian Gas Co to under order for Ukraine's gas needs and perforce pay less for the amount of gas that would eventually be required.  (In other words only partially prepay)    An old Hebraic trick which dates back to the second temple.

So having under-ordered Ukraine's gas, Poroshenko now wants delivery of more without having pre payed for it.

Now you know all there is to know

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 19:45 | 5829175 Volkodav
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Nothing confusing....

you are just trying to act cute about it...

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 06:36 | 5830570 katkan
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The rebels now get their share direct from Russia. If Ukraine doesn't pay, and gets cut off, then Putin has arranged with Gazprom that the pipe to the rebels remains open and gets billed to Russia as humanitarian aid.

Wed, 02/25/2015 - 18:06 | 5828809 bid the soldier...
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A cortege of thurifers (thank you Wikipedia) from the EU, swinging their censers of smoky incense into every nook, cranny and gau of Ukraine to proclaim the immaculate conception of Petro White and his Seven Nazis, should be able to handle a couple of weeks of frigid weather to prove the divinity of the  Poroshenko Babe.

Besides it won't be the acolytes and servers who are left out in the cold.

It'll just be the poor, and when did they ever count? 

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