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Arms Race 2.0: Top Navy Admiral Warns China Now Has More "Fairly Amazing Submarines" Than The US
Continuing the theme first presented yesterday, when we showed that while America's financial situation is in dire straits, it is the strength of its military - that age-old realpolitik variable - or lack thereof...
... that may determine the longevity of the US Dollar as the world's reserve currency, overnight we learned from Vice Admiral Joseph Mulloy, deputy chief of naval operations for capabilities and resources, who testified before the House Armed Services Committee's seapower subcommittee that China "is building some fairly amazing submarines and now has more diesel- and nuclear-powered vessels than the United States," although he admitted their quality was inferior.
“They may not be the same quality, but their submarine forces are growing at a tremendous rate. They now have more diesel and nuclear attack submarines than we have,” the admiral told the lawmakers. “They are producing some fairly amazing submarines and they are actually deploying them.”
The top Navy admiral added that China was also expanding the geographic areas of operation for its submarines, and their length of deployment. For instance, China had carried out three deployments in the Indian Ocean, and had kept vessels out at sea for 95 days, Mulloy said.
Are the subs armed with nuclear ICBMs?
“We don't think they have nuclear weapons on board, but we've seen them producing the missiles and testing them,” the admiral said. "We know they are out experimenting and looking at operating and clearly want to be in this world of advanced submarines.”
So is America on the verge of another arms race? It sure seems like it based on the Admiral's implicit message that the US will need to catch up to China, if not in quality then in quantity.
U.S. military officials in recent months have grown increasingly vocal about China's military buildup and launched a major push to ensure that U.S. military technology stays ahead of rapid advances by China and Russia.
Mulloy said the quality of China's submarines was lower than those built by the United States, but the size of its undersea fleet had now surpassed that of the U.S. fleet. A spokeswoman said the U.S. Navy had 71 commissioned U.S. submarines.
In its last annual report to Congress about China's military and security developments, the Pentagon said China had 77 principal surface combatant ships, more than 60 submarines, 55 large and medium amphibious ships, and about 85 missile-equipped small combatants.
The real question is "who benefits." The answer: 'U.S. submarines are built by Huntington Ingalls Industries Inc. and General Dynamics Corp."
Who? Oh these guys:
And since we live in a Fed-controlled, M.I.C.-dominated world, it may be a good idea to buy the stock of these two dominant powers in the MIC, who are about to get an unexpected present courtesy of the nascent arms race resulting from the second cold war.
So is China's sub fleet really that technologically behind? We leave it up to readers to decide: in October 2013 we presented "First Glimpse Of China's Nuclear Submarine Fleet" in which we wrote "China has revealed that its first fleet of nuclear submarines has started sea patrols, in the latest sign of its military’s growing confidence which has raised concerns in the region. Xinhua, China's official news agency, released photographs of what appeared to be Xia-class vessels – China’s first generation of nuclear-armed submarines, which are several decades old – saying they were being “declassified” for the first time, adding with supremely colorful language that, the subs would "gallop to the depths of the ocean, serving as mysterious forces igniting the sound of thunder in the deep sea", and be an "assassin’s mace that would make adversaries tremble""
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All we got is mom jeans....
Since Obama has purged the officer corps of the politically incorrect and ideologically unsuitable, are we to assume that everything a flag officer now says has some sort of Obama propaganda angle to it?
I wonder what the angle is here.
Thanks Obama
It's the interest on Treasuries that's paying for it all...
First a missle gap.
Now a submarine gap.
I think we have a truth gap.
they serve dim sum on board. key feature.
so the navy wants some more money
Quality trumps quantity.
Thats what the nazi's thought.
i hope they drive submarines better than they drive cars.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjkkjH0GnfY
i prefer real live examples...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XjeWTc1KV8
This wouldve been absolute gold for Anon, akak and Fourth...
"the subs would "gallop to the depths of the ocean, serving as mysterious forces igniting the sound of thunder in the deep sea", and be an "assassin’s mace that would make adversaries tremble""
It is after all, the mattering thing...
H/T....
Some fairly amazing subs...
What he means is it's amazing how they manage to keep such junk from sinking upon encountering moisture in the air.
Please spend more money on the MIC because I'm skeered and I know my gov is by and for the people, and always have my best interests at heart.
Ha Ha! Made me raugh!
Yeah, chinks are so stupid. They forgot to close the screen doors on those submarines.
"is building some fairly amazing submarines and now has more diesel- and nuclear-powered vessels than the United States," although he admitted their quality was inferior.
The last part of that sentence is what's important. Come on guys, get back to reporting shit that actually matters...
for defense purposes, a lurking inferior diesel-electric sub is actually... fully adequate, and way cheaper in any sense
Taiwan once asked President Bush for diesel-electric subs, and he was flabbergasted to find out that the US MIC does not and does not want to produce any
as a reminder, the yearly 5th Fleet "ballet" takes place in the South China Sea
There is more than one concept of submarine warfare. Actually several. China right now is using it's submarine force in the "sea Denial" role. In such a case, they have a dual strategy. The Diesel-electric boats can act as maneuverable mine fields. Simply staking out a vital piece of ocean and waiting in silence to defend it. Their newer boats, and nuclear attack boats can act to actually shadow and attempt to attack USN task forces. This job is much, much harder, given USA ASW capabilites and the USN fast attack boats that follow carrier task forces. Then China can use nuclear boats to operate in distant waters looking to sink mechant chipping and US supply ships.
Of the three, right now, China should be using it's boats in the sea denial mine field role. And if they feel up to it, a few boats could try their luck at seeking out USN task forces. Most would be sunk.
If the USA arms Ukraine, Russia has made it know that it may begin large scale technology transfers to teh Chinese Navy, in the form of Russian Federation level submarine technology and sonar technology. Russia is not up to USN standards, but in some areas they are equal even better, it is just in the total overall package, the operational submarines capabilites, that the USN is ahead. But, in any real world trial by combat, there is no reason to believe the Russian submarines to be unable to give a reasonable account of themselves. What I mean is, it would not be a oneside slaughter, like say the Iraq Land War was.
Any playing footsie type of submarine warfare won't happen between the nuclear powers.
In the modern era, war is for beating up weaker or non-state opponents. Everything else is very bad for your health.
Exactly. The game changer is NOT russia transferring tech to china. It is arming Syria and Iran with the means to actually defend themselves. Sell a few nukes to them and watch how the US stops constantly harrassing them. Let North Korea in on some international trade, and watch how economic sanctions dissappear into dust.
"Then China can use nuclear boats to operate in distant waters looking to sink mechant chipping and US supply ships."
Why would China sink it's own ships?
To get insurance money like with buildings in NYC?
One more, Mr. Burton:
CHN can have the South China Sea - and the Eastern Entrance into SGP/Straits of Malacca - tied up with their Island/Atoll Bases.
I don't think Team_USN is going to fare well with Guam as is.
PLA Missile Ranges and layout over "Points of Interest"... This is far more serious than a concern over mines and Silkworms...
http://media.economist.com/images/images-magazine/2010/12/04/sr/20101204...
P.S.: Tylers - why did you post a chart of ARMY Headcounts vs Time?
I've some Fleet Charts here -
http://bandeirasimoveis.com.br/wp-includes/submarine-comparison-chart
/sarc
" fairly amazing "
Is that like " really kewl " ?
How come so many of these guys sound like teenaged boys trying to scam their parents for the latest video game ?
"is building some fairly amazing submarines and now has more diesel- and nuclear-powered vessels than the United States," although he admitted their quality was inferior.
The last part of that sentence is what's important. Come on guys, get back to reporting shit that actually matters...
Well, assuming that the quality of all that much-maligned "Cheap Chinese Crap" tm (that they sell to you presumably for a profit), is a reflection of the hardware that they build for themselves with YOUR Dollars, might be unwise.
The Chinese certainly DO understand quality, and they certainly DO insist on quality where they are concerned. Don't assume their military hardware is a reflection of the crap they knowingly (and deliberately) sell to the West. They are as good at long-term strategy as the Russians, and creating a false sense of superiority is just one means of undermining Western capability when crunch time arrives.
Bottom line.
At the end of the war Russians had more advanced tanks then the Germans.
genius
"That's what the nazis are thinking."
After a certain number... Quantity has a certain quality to it..
... Quality trumps quantity
In war, usually the opposite in true. You guys should know better...
Moar money.
Ding. Ding. Ding.
This statement is a fishing expedition to get more funding. Have to have an enemy to do that.
What is China really doing? They are copying America. Air craft carriers and nuke subs are great when you are one of a few super powers in a world where few have nuke weapons. At best, China will get a seat at the table but once nukes proliferate the bullying by super powers will end and all this shit will be worthless.
China is building quiet subs and anti-ship land to sea rockets because they have the potential to neutralize America's #1 method of international force projection, their carrier fleets. It's a legitimate threat and really the #1 security threat to America. Remember the EMP weapon that exploded above LA? You might not, because it was buried relatively quickly for news as important as it was. The EMP weapon's symbolic value was very similar to the symbolic value of a Chinese sub emerging from underwater right next to a US carrier while it was wargaming. The discipline of the Chinese crew of that sub was outstanding, to go undetected and get into torpedo distance of a carrier.
I guarantee it's a big concern to the US Navy.
Here's a news report of the launch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJ5pnAFducY
Former Secretary of Defense Robert Ellsworth says that it might be a missille launched by the US from an underwater sub to show Asian countries what the US can do, which is idiotic. It was a launch by an Asian country to show the US what it can do.
game changer....deployed
http://news.investors.com/ibd-editorials/042213-652883-china-carrier-kil...
....very soon aircraft carriers as we know them will go the way of the battleship.
China wants super power bullying rights, not a conventional war with the only power with nukes that has used them on an enemy when they were winning handedly not in desperation.
Just need to ask Rumsfeld for the $2 trillion dollars the DOD "misplaced"
You mean Dr. Strangelove will not be there any more to help us when the time comes?
Why negotiate when we can spend a few more trillions upgrading the Navy?
Is only 3 billion dead a "win", as opposed to extinction?
(boats made in China, of course)
I wonder what the angle is here.
A Village People themed Submarine?
The angle is the same as always "Give us more money."
The angle?
Simple: The US military has become the government equivalent of a US airline or US auto manufacturer, namely an entity whose facade appears as it should but whose real mission is the dissemination of pension benefits, medical care and racial / gender spoils. More money will be required to repair the appearance of the facade so that the real mission can continue.
The mechanism is equally obvious: Obama wants to kill his own sequester legislation. Or, more properly, he wants to blame the Republicans for doing it when they demand increases in defense spending above sequester levels. Obama will, of course, demand, and receive, massive increases in domestic spending as a condition of allowing the Republicans to slit their own wrists. And the palace guard press will duly blame Republicans for *all* additional debt incurred during the Obama Administration due to their repeal of the sequester.
There's probably also an angle for the 2016 campaign: paint Rs as war mongers & rampant spenders so the Hildebeeste can tack to the center and guarantee a victory.
We need to build MOAR!
We cannot have a MOAR gap!
This is the intended reaction. Could it be that the US - under pressure by China and Russia - will break its own neck as the Russians did under the pressure of the US?
A lot of our military programs in the cold war were not intended to provide technical superiority over the USSR, they were designed to scare the USSR into spending even more on its military. We felt that we could afford to waste money and that the USSR could not. We were right. If China and Russia adopt the same attitude that we had, they will be right this time around.
This is true for a lot of the military programs, with also the intent being to enrich the connected manufacturers.
But, good Subs that carry nukes (China/Russia) will be a major item of great importance for many years to come. They can delivery a payload most effectively from offshore of their targets.
If you have subs with nukes stationed then your coventional forces can use tactical low yeild nukes to dispatch convential forces when required (would be used against proxy armys first as a warning). But if unwilling to do so then subs only serve to keep the US/Israel from direct invasion of Russia/China while the rest of the worlds countries and resources are taken. Russia should have been willing to do supply these to Iraq (1 or 2) and use themselves in Libya.
The US is the reserve currency, they can print it and export the effects to others. Also, the US actually uses it's expensive toys to take, destroy or control as it expands. Someday US/Israel may just pounce and take it all since they are then positioned to do so.
@ElV -- If China and Russia adopt the same attitude that we had, they will be right this time around.
Wrong. Not until the petro dollar is broken. The US/fed still prints money and gets most of that spending for free, if you believe the infation is mostlyly being exported. Actually, that implies russia/china are paying for the US buildup.
if the United States maintains the status quo, we get to negotiate with the terrorists. Anything else, and it's war, boys. But I was reading the other posts about not giving up our weapons so the Indians, Jews, and Japanese can all make a colony in Africa. It's just that it all seems a little... vague.
Because if there's one thing we need like a hole in the head, in an era of remotely operated swarm drones & grid warfare with electro magnetic pulse burst weapons& magnetic rail guns, it's 2 billion dollar per submarines.
Riiiight.
Let's invest trillions in some black powder musket factories while we're at it.
Fuck you, Increasingly Irrelevant, trying to justify your existence, REAR Admiral, Sir!
Subs are still important. The earth's surface is 80% water. Subs are how you surround the US, the way the US surrounds russia with miliary bases.
Maybe they don't have to be $2 billion a copy though.
Between Putin and China, the US is toast.
This is bullshit. This is the US way of goading them into a fight.
Fuck, Japan's navy could take the Chinese out.
Keep believing in myths .
Dong Feng 21
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I hope you are trying to come off as stupid and uninformed, otherwise I hope there are no animals or smal children living in your trailer.
Nope.
I doubt Japan could seriously take on China, but Japan does have greater capacity than most realize. US, Russia, China, then who are the naval leaders? Is UK still strong, Australia, South Korea, Norway, Germany?
Unfortunately for the USA it cannot match the manufacturing might of China.
The difference is we don't put out crap that will fall apart in 3 years like China does....
That only what they sell to the US.
I was out on a 3 year old chinese ship, it was already rusting and falling apart....
Good luck to China with that Hunt for Raw Materials. That's a pretty far flung cobweb of supply lines threading together the four corners of the Earth. Complexity is a fragile thing.
They own plenty of the world's supply of rare earths. And Russia is next door.
I don't think it'll be that easy to 'starve' them of raw materials.
OOOOOO rare earths. I was thinking FOOD.
Might want to think about that statement. Our shitty little Sherman's overwhelmed the more powerful German Panzers by sheer numbers.
Not really. The Russians beat the Germans. We played mop up duty.
Yes and no. We did upgrade the Shermans because too many of them were getting hammered. That bigger gun we put on them made a huge difference. The Soviets went to the T34, which was a pretty badass tank for its time. The Shermans were never intended to go toe to toe with panzers and tigers, but they wound up doing so. When we sent our tank killers in, the results were a lot different than when we sent our Shermans in.
https://medium.com/war-is-boring/the-m-4-sherman-tank-was-hell-on-wheels...
For nuclear armed countries, every other weapon is just a sideshow.
http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/gm-recall
Yeah, but when it comes to overbilling and invoicing, we rock.
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Yeah, China leads the world in innovation. / sarc
The US is a bully and has gone full retard in foreign policy but still holds the top slot in the ability to annihilate.
QUESTION ARISES ARE THEY OF SAME QUALITY LIKE YANKS SUBS ?
“They may not be the same quality, but their submarine forces are growing at a tremendous rate. They now have more diesel and nuclear attack submarines than we have,” the admiral told the lawmakers.
Jeez, at one torpedo per Chinese junk sub.......I think we have this covered.
And go beyond hardware. The US has been practicing startegies with their nuclear subs for 60+ years. The old Soviet navy went kerplunk when head to head with us in the 60s/70s.
Get real. The admiral wants more money to beef up his toy collection.
I think targeting a nuke power like China isn't a good move .
I think targeting a nuke power like China isn't a good move .
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...and Russia. It is the combination that will make it somewhat difficult in future for the freedom-fighters of the USSA.
More importantly - nobody in the US wants to work anyhow.
well, let them militarize themselves into bankruptcy like the US did.
You mean like the Ruskies did?
My bad, trackpad stutter...
It must be a coincidence that china's submarines should look exactly like those of the US military.
Bill Clinton's Legacy of transferring American Military Technology to China, which the socialist jew media has said little about.
Like Sandy Berger stuffing documents in his pants and the missing hard drives from Sandia Labs...nothing to see here.
Thank YOU .. exactly so .. although in some dumb ass effort to pull the Chinese into being best buddies and big toes.. we thought making them the world's factory floor would make them peaceful... China has a 5000 year old civilization . it has absorbed every ISM and made it Chinese... including a kind of capitalism .. the short sighted idiots who make policy have done the same thing over decades.. they think . everyone thnks as they do .. are as greedy and stupid. We also handed them the gift of rare earth metals .. prior to the mid 2000s .. the US still had a prodcution of rare eathre metal... the greens closed down the one mine we had and we sold the Chinese Magne Quench out of Indian .. the CHinese promisd to allow the production remiin in the US . .within a year it was moved to China .. .. American corporation and govt. do not THINK . they just are so anxious to make a buck they have sold out US national security ... by the way .. Germany never sold out its manufacturing .. they kept it top of the line .. they have a different b usiness model .. less us against them .. it is .. what it is.. We lost because we kept following a theory and a plan that came out of the 1600s .. .capitalism for the advancemnt of one group oer everyone else.. we deserve what we get for allowing it to happen ...
All that hardware out there makes for crowded waters ( and air). Eventually someone is going to make a mistake and collide with the wrong ( insert vessel/craft here) and people will start lobbing some serious shit at each other.
I'm scared. Start funding Boeing, Raytheon, GE, and the like so they build moar weapons please.
I see we have a bunch of war pigs on today.
boots on the ground everywhere but our borders..ISIS threat is so bad we opened the borders even more ..I guess ship/sub building is ok cause well the southern border is mostly desert.
Well then we better increase defense spending immediately.
Remember a few years ago they fired that missle off the coast of California? Those mfers are close!
Youtube video of it. 2010
www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AMdHBgHtNE
Oh well. They like other country's can excel with military. Nice to know though.
A NeoCon's worst nightmare...someone might have a bigger dick than they do. Oh no!
that doesn`t matter. In case of nucular war the world is gone anyway - no matter how many subs you have...
double
Sounds like the admiral is having a tantrum, screaming and crying because he is jealous of his rich neighbor playing with a nicer and newer toy.
Not nicer, just newer. You can still hear their diesels coming from a mile away.
Yeah, but the US has more triangular-shaped UFOs than China. So there.
--F. Zappa
The neocons are alive and well.
Alas Babylon - but you will be hungry again in one hour
Man is still an animal but with bigger teeth
In this case, the sheep look down.
Yes how much of that is copied technology...I bet 80% of it...we are stupid to sell it to them..and they steal it just as well..
You don't receive funding if you can't find a potential enemy to fight. And, as an added bonus, pointing a finger at an external threat make the sheep forget about the far more serious internal threats to our freedom & liberties.
I'm so tired of this sh*t.
Meh, 10......20, what's the diff. Just a bunch of cock wavin' after a certain point. You still end up as worm food if they're ever used anyway.
Gotta joke for you.....
What's round and hard and full of seamen?
You guessed it - a submarine!
Anyway - Russia and China sub fleets will be able to overwhelm (by numbers and by technology) and contain the US fleet within 5-10 years.
Ominous for the dollar - the US military will have lost its ability to force nations to remain in the dollar. We're watching the fall of the Empire - not that it won't take place with plenty of woar!
Your mom.
Obongo has a thing for submarines.
Sounds like a "fairly amazing submarine" gap.
Attention Walmart shoppers........
Perhaps the US should think twice before pissing them off.
How many times did they need to build each one before they were actually seaworthy?
Are you sure these aren't just "paper tigers"? LOL
The California missle shoot was two missles, a day apart. So they have ICBM's on board. Worse is the fact that a Chinese sub surfaced next to a carrier 3 years ago in the middle of manuvers and was totally undetected. Then quietly slipped away with no trace.
On the quality issue, maybe they have what we do not have in some areas. Imagine 30 or so posted on each coast of the US. Do you think the French will loan us white flags???
Tailgunner,
the other way to look at this is "well we watched that sub the whole time. we of course didn't want the Chinese to know that we did see it. because then they'd make changes.'
so what better way to give them that lovely false sense of security? I just find it hard to believe that it wasn't detected.
particularly with as much experience as our sonar/ etc people have.
that's how an ignorant thinks
Another way to look at is we need powerful/scary SOUNDING enemies to decieve the sheeple into accepting a huge MIC budget. Do you think we wouldn't test fire a few missiles to make it look like an unexpected threat?
Their (white flags) made in China.
George W Shrub would call them "Nuklr subs"
"O" would call them comrades
there is no cold war becoz America is broke. By the time they try to use the USD to buy raw materials they will have issues securing them becoz of the massive devaluation. US does not have the depth of natural resources as Russia. At any rate its not the number of sub with nukes, its who's nuke get pass the defense that is the most important.
"...although he admitted their quality was inferior."
That's interesting. Did he get a guided tour from Xi himself, or did the NSA find some interesting back & forth emails generated from a sub commander's Lenovo laptop...?
China has the largest army in the world, whats the US going to do, FUCK EVERY SINGLE DAY until they also have over a billion in population???? Get real.
Sounds like a plan...
Sun Tzu (I know, the reference is WAY overused, but...) Think it over for a moment. Why would the Chinese want to nuke the West Coast anyway - they're fucking taking the place over from Vancouver to L.A. and all points in between already - they don't have to...!!!
It is by design. One mad monster will challenge the other to consolidate the totalitarian grip.
With the imminent financial earthquake and GONE any HOPE of saving a decaying EMPIRE; it's time for Vichy DC & Selected Sponsors to bring on the SUBS.
Thank God I live on the east coast. I can only get hit by Russian subs. You know, the ones that DO have nukes and who have been sitting off the coast for 50 years.
And who knows...there are probably some German subs sitting off the coast.
By the way, how long did it take Iran to build that aircraft carrier 'prop' that they subsequently 'attacked' with speed rafts...?
Who cares? They own your arse anyway.
If China and Russsia want defeat the US just kill the US dollar. Forget about all the weapons. The destruction of the US dollar is progressing well thanks to the real enemy, the Federal Reserve bank.
I'm pretty sure that's the plan, Sam. We're all just waiting for Shanghai to declare a shortage and jack up the price of gold. Everything else will fall up, down, sideways and in place after that.
the admiral was also sporting wood when he said it
Penis contest.
Top Gun may have exxagerated a few things, but it did show how critical it was to keep the in-bound MIGs 150 miles away. It is probably even more true today, especially with improvements in missiles growing faster than improvements in missile defense. A similar thing is happening in submarines -- you cannot have them anywhere near your fleet or they will sink your ships. This can effectively neutralize the ability of US carrier groups to 'project power' anywhere across the globe. Once the Chinese complete their own aircraft carriers, and finish whatever they are doing to the islands in the South China Sea -- that part of Asia will be off limits to the US fleet. China could also dominate anything in Southeast Asia and put up quite a fight in the Indian Ocean and along the East African coast.
While we see the shrinking of the US military, let's not overlook the shrinking of our allies like Great Britain. It is becoming clearer that the UK military would be unable to re-take the Falklands if Argentina were to invade them again. There are simply too few men, planes and ships in the UK arsenal.
The British elites have decided that subsidising the underclasses to have more children is more important than paying for a military capable of defending the remnants of their scattered 'empire'.
Anyway... after all the help they gave the US, can't they rely on the latter to defend them? Attack one, attack all, no?
Perhaps the headline might be changed to 'Top Navy Admiral warns that he may not be able to retire and walk into a high paying job with a defense contractor unless he can create the need for new US defense spending on chasing Chinese submarines!"
Seems like China and Russia can now do to the Americans what the Americans did to Russia; exacerbate America's bankrupcy by forcing them to upgrade a military they can ill afford and no longer have the internal manufacturing base to efficiently upgrade anyway. And Russia is percieved by many to have the moral high ground and represent the best chance for freedom whilst America is just a dumb puppy being wagged by Israel.
Bingo! You win a cookie!
At the end of the day, China is capable of drafting, training, and equipping a 200 million man army within 6 months. Unless it went nuclear, the USA has zero chance of victory in a war against China in Asia.
Now, it's also true that China would be unable to transport and supply that army in an invasion of the continental US. Operation Barbarossa was I believe the largest invasion in human history, and they could not manage to resupply that many men in the field.
Ultimately, none of these toys are intended for a war against the United States. Such a war would be unwinnable by either side (unless it went nuclear, which would give the US a slight chance of taking out China's retaliatory capability and prevailing). These Chinese submarines are intended for smaller threats, like Japan or the Phillipenes.
That being said, the US can only produce a handful of submarines per year, whereas China has shown an ability to produce complex items at an impressive rate. In any war, the Chinese would probably win through sheer attrition.
For them to stand tall they have to put a soldier on anothers shoulders you have to divide that by 2, but 100mil aint bad.
Dont forget about NATO and the coming formation of the UN World Army.
Don't forget that NATO is coming apart at the seams and to be the first to volunteer for that new army of yours run by, whom, the World Bank?
Nuclear war does not have a winner.
One party will die earlier and the other one latter.
In 2006, a Chinese Song-class sub surfaced right in the middle of a U.S. fleet during maneuvers between Japan and Taiwan. Scared the crap out of the u.s. navy: they had had no idea that it was even there.
Draw your own conclusions.
They said they had no idea it was there.
Can you think of any reasons why they might have lied?
The only people who 'know' whether they knew it was there or not, are all bound by their oath to keep schtum.
Maybe it was undetected... maybe not...
Poor game theory assumption. Trying to play the other side with expressions of weakness tend to backfire. Too easily tested by the other side, and too easily believed by your own people. And what about the affect on your allies?? And if done simply for the sake of hoping to gain a few more budgetary dollars, then it's especially stupid.
You wouldn't be planning to run for President next election, would you?