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FCC Votes In Favor Of Obama's Net Neutrality - Has The Slippery Slope To Web Censorship Begun?

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"An open Internet is essential to the American economy, and increasingly to our very way of life," according to President Obama and it appears his perspective on the heavy hand of government regulation inserting itself into the last bastion of freedom and dynamism in the US economy, is how best to achieve "openness." Having pressured FCC's Tom Wheeler, the vote just came down: U.S. FCC APPROVES NET NEUTRALITY INTERNET RULES IN 3-2 VOTE. While potentially good for a consumer's pocketbook, the handing over of "fair-use" decision to the government, as we previously noted, could be the first step on a slippery slope to increased censorship.

FCC Votes...

  • *FCC ADOPTS NET-NEUTRALITY RULE BACKED BY OBAMA
  • *INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS MUST TREAT WEB TRAFFIC EQUALLY
  • *COMCAST, AT&T, VERIZON AMONG COMPANIES REGULATED UNDER RULES
  • *NETFLIX, TWITTER HAD SOUGHT FCC REGULATIONS

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U.S. regulators invoked broad powers to ensure that Web traffic for all users is treated equally, adopting net-neutrality rules that Bloomberg reports, supporters say will preserve a wide-open Internet and that opponents vow to fight in court...

The measure approved Thursday by the Federal Communications Commission prohibits companies such as AT&T Inc. and Comcast Corp. from blocking or slowing online traffic and from offering faster service in return for payment. It also brings wireless Internet service fully under the rules for the first time.

 

The 3-2 vote on party lines by FCC commissioners enshrines a regulation backed by the Obama administration and opposed by cable and telephone companies, which say the rules risk stifling a fast-growing Internet and will lead to rate regulation.

 

“The Internet is too important to allow broadband providers to make the rules,” said FCC Chairman Tom Wheeler, a Democrat appointed by Obama, in comments as the commission prepared to vote in its crowded meeting room in Washington.

 

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The vote “imposes intrusive government regulations that won’t work to solve a problem that doesn’t exist using legal authority the FCC doesn’t have,” said Ajit Pai, a Republican commissioner who campaigned in TV and radio appearances and on social media against the rules.

 

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The FCC has “pried open the door to heavy-handed government regulation in a space celebrated for its free enterprise,” Michael Powell, president of the National Cable & Telecommunications Association trade group that has Comcast among its members, said in an e-mailed statement. “The commission has breathed new life into the decayed telephone regulatory model and applied it to the most dynamic, free-wheeling and innovative platform in history.”

 

Wheeler disagreed with characterizations that government is imposing utility-style regulation.

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Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:02 | 5832018 AustrianJim
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Ouch.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:07 | 5832053 SamAdams
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Net Neutrality, Patriot Act, Citizens United, Federal Reserve..... See a pattern?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:08 | 5832064 kliguy38
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Nahh they love sites like this......

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:10 | 5832070 Gaius Frakkin' ...
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This isn't the end of the world, it's just another step on the road to hell. The sheeple will forget this like they've forgotten everything else, then boo and hiss at others who actually have the courage to do something "extreme", “antisocial”, "psychopathic", blah, blah, blah...

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:11 | 5832083 Manthong
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Save your wi-fi routers and old computers.

It’s coming time to mesh things up for the Obama fascists.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:22 | 5832089 N2OJoe
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I guess we all just have to start our own "domestic terrorist" (as they would label it) sites and spam them beyond their ability to control.

 

Or when do the hunger games begin?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:24 | 5832151 InjectTheVenom
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who is John Galt ?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:32 | 5832171 A L I E N
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Won't net neutrality help prevent squenching of non mainstream media such as ZH?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:33 | 5832187 BLOTTO
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...---...

.... . .-.. .--.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:40 | 5832235 saints51
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I dont know if people understand morse code.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:49 | 5832277 TeamDepends
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SOS
(Expletive)

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:52 | 5832289 saints51
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Maybe Blotto will give us option 3

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:56 | 5832304 SWRichmond
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A 3-2 vote!  Liberty almost prevailed!  All we have to do is tweak this political system just a little bit!  If only OUR guy was in charge!

/sarc

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:11 | 5832364 Anusocracy
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I think that in some distant future day, Americans will have evolved to the point where their hands are permanently attached to their ankles.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:58 | 5832565 Ms. Erable
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No need to wait for evolution; just place the feeding trough on the floor and most will willingly assume the position.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:21 | 5832664 TeamDepends
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Thank you sir, may I have another (helping of Soylent Green)?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 17:11 | 5832838 Cliff Claven Cheers
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"imposing intrusive government regulations that won’t work to solve a problem that doesn’t exist using legal authority the FCC doesn’t have,”

Isn't this just gov in general?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 22:30 | 5833960 Crash Overide
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What was that old saying again, "we have to pass it to see what's in it..." or something to that effect.

How did that work out again?

 

 

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:59 | 5832547 A Nanny Moose
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Still, it was once illegal for bureacrats to legislate. People are learning too much, too quickly from the Intertewbz. The State simply cannot control it. Other than the do-gooding, busy-body Statists, Cui Bono?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:21 | 5832670 Hal n back
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3 out of 310 million is a sufficent plurality to represent the public.it was as 60/40 overwhelming vote.

 

 

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:38 | 5832496 mouthbreather
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SOS

HELP

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:51 | 5832533 A Nanny Moose
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You can still google it....for now.

Better encrypt that message, chief.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:37 | 5832214 NoDebt
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I've been practicing calling people 'comrade' all morning.

We're beyond fucked at this point.

2016 elections won't matter.  In fact, I'm not so sure there are going to be any by the time we get there.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:41 | 5832245 saints51
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I am going to start voting again for the politician who I think will kick start the apocalypse.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:47 | 5832266 Yao
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Too late.  He's finishing up his second term in the Oval Office as you read this.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:50 | 5832279 saints51
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We have Hitlery which will be the icing on the cake imo.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:45 | 5832726 Tall Tom
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An apocalypse is a REVEALING or an UNVEILING of a hidden truth.

 

So if you think that you are going to vote for any poitician who is going to tell the truth then you are living in a fucking fantasy.

 

But since I really think that you meant armaggedon....

 

Since it is the same party, and the choice is between Team Red and Team Blue, Pepsi or Coca Cola, then you can vote for any of them and armageddon will not begin any quicker.

 

Don't you get it yet? You have NO INFLUENCE...unless you are part of the Club...which you are not...and neither am I for that matter.

 

THERE ARE NO POLITICAL SOLUTIONS. You have no impact in their game.

 

So why play a losing game? Play to win and opt out from their game.

 

You have heard it said that if you cannot beat them then join them? I cannot beat them. But I refuse to join them in practicing their evil schemes.,

 

So I OPT OUT. I refuse participation whereever and whenever I can. Withdraw your Cash from their system. DO NOT SPEND so they cannot tax. Buy Gold and Silver. Barter and trade locallly, as much as possible. Use second hand items. Kill Corporate America. Starve the Beast.

 

Without revenues Corporations will fail. They cannot play charades forever. And both you and I know that Stock Prices are not reflective of the LOSS OF SALES which Corporations are experiencing. They are reflective of massive Government Intervention by the Plunge Protection Team. It is a charade. It is a FARCE.

 

We are actualy winning the war as the whole system is failing. Too many peope have OPTED OUT quietly already. It has not been braodcast on Main Stream Media by the Corporate Propagandists. But it is widespread and is made evidential in the real marketplaces...as wel as in the fake Stock Markets.

 

Join us by OPTING OUT by withdrawing your Financial Support. Financial Support, after all, IS SUPPORT.

 

You want a vote? VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET as Money is the only thing that the oligarchy cares about.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 17:15 | 5832843 saints51
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Tom I know you and and I don't always see eye to eye but I am on board with you buddy. I know a vote doesn't count for shit. Most say I will vote for the lesser of 2 evils, I was being opposite.

I do my best not buying their garbage. Yesterday I was at a local store and was the only one buying organic seeds from a mom and pop company. People were walking by me looking at me like I was a weird-o. Thats what I spend my green food coloring paper on. Hard assets that actually have value.

+1 from me.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:54 | 5832544 booboo
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You may come to regret the fast lane to hell.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:56 | 5832788 Tall Tom
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And you want me to believe that the slow road to hell is somehow better? I regret the road that we are currently traveling.

 

The more time spent traveling down this road allows for more time in which the oligarchy can inflict far greater damage and further deplete our resources for rebuiding. 

 

Only the oligarchy, whose incentive is to totally deplete the resources from the masses, will find that the slow road to hell will allow them to consolidate resources and power.

 

This needed to have stopped in 2008.

 

The longer that the solution is delayed then the more painful the aftermath, the hell suffered, will be.

 

But you must be a masochist and enjoy that slooooow, drawn out pain.

 

Let's get it over with now. I do not like pain. But I will experience it to get healthy.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:53 | 5832542 seek
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I'm pretty sure there will be 2016 elections. Not so sure about 2018 or 2020, but I strongly suspect we'll have "elections" in the same sense the USSR did. (Arguably, that's what we have now, of course, it's just they give the one party two names to maintain the illusion of choice and "free and fair.")

Does anyone have any doubt -- net neutrality or not -- that when "that time" comes that the internet would work as it's supposed to? I'm already 99% sure they've performed intentional outages nationally to geolocate persons of high interest using proxies.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:00 | 5832578 Agstacker
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2016...Clinton vs Bush...ahh, the illusion of choice...

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:47 | 5832265 dexter_morgan
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How would it do that exactly with 300 pages of regulation saying contrary?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:40 | 5832738 americanreality
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This site has been having trouble hiding it's right-wing agenda lately.Knuckles deep in adult diapers.

Fri, 02/27/2015 - 00:01 | 5834226 drdolittle
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Thanks for saving me buddy. I'm so glad you're here. douche. If you haven't noticed, many/most people here are awake. You need a new handle and to be a little more subtle if you intend to distract anyone here. Or, are you supposed to be on yahoo answers? As an aside, many of the younger generation can find you. Is you're 50k per year worth that?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:26 | 5832155 exi1ed0ne
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When the SNAP ration cards are issued to the other half of the population.  It takes time to ramp up these large programs.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:35 | 5832199 maskone909
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qustion for the tech savy ZH'rs:

 

how will this impact the usage of the onion router browser?  will ISP's be able to determine you are masking your ip and shut down your service?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:55 | 5832296 Consumer Farm
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You are not masking your IP from your ISP, if you did that you would not get a connection. You set up a tunnel to tor the network using you IP address then it goes from there.

https://www.torproject.org/about/overview.html.en#overview

and in my opinion there is no need to block it.

http://pando.com/2014/07/16/tor-spooks/

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/spoiled-onions-tor-network,news-18237.html

 

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:03 | 5832589 seek
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This is correct. Basically you have your real IP until it hits the Tor network, and then it's masked. Or was. Tor got flooded with spook machines a while ago and is now not only insecure IMO, the Snowden leaks show it's actually a lightning rod for attention.

Your best bet now is a burner laptop using a non-persistent OS and throwaway USB wifi and hitting places with free wifi, preferably at night to reduce the utility of cameras (and keep an eye out for them and plan a path to/from your hotspot avoiding as many as possible). They'll be able to geolocate if they discover you, but you'll be lost in a mass of uninteresting traffic and won't be self-tagging with a "watch me" beacon using Tor, and if you're careful and swap wifi adapters regularly, they likely won't be able to pin down your real identity just from internet access.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:15 | 5832643 maskone909
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great info thanks fellas.  yeah i know its not masking the ip from isp's but my worry is that the ISP will flag me for using tor.  but yeah i totally get what your saying

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 18:30 | 5833127 Paveway IV
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The ISPs are media companies. They already can do deep packet inspection of all your incoming and outgoing traffic looking for opportunities to enforce copyright law. If you use TOR, then you may be doing something like illegally downloading a movie and they want to be sure to collect evidence of that to prosecute you. Encryption? Yeah... whatever. They record it and then when they seize your computer and get the key, they decrypt it and have all the evidence they need.

You may be doing something else illegal, so the NSA wants a copy of all your TOR traffic in case they figure out a need to poke through it later on. They either use the ISPs themselves for reports or siphon the flags right off the internet exchange switches (which have to have the NSA backdoor by law). Encryption isn't a big deal to them either - if they have reason to suspect you of something, your machine is theirs as well as the encryption keys. They have all your incoming and outgoing traffic - they don't care how TOR obfuscates the other end - they see what you see.

The DEA wants to know who uses TOR because that's what drug dealers use, so they get reports from your ISP. DHS knows that fake FBI terrorists use TOR for uploading fake videos, so they need reports of anyone using TOR. Maybe they want all your traffic recorded for 'future use'.

The DHS Stazi knows you're guilty of something if you use TOR, so they want a record of your traffic, too. 

It's not even a question of IF your flagged for using TOR. It's more a matter of how many different agencies take an interest in gathering evidence 'just in case'. Nobody is going to kick your door down tomorrow. They'll do it three years from now when they have all your family members and contacts mapped out and under surveillance, because anyone who has any connection with someone who uses TOR might be a threat as well. 

The very first providers of the free super-secure anonymous email services were all NSA fronts. It's THAT easy to trick people who might have something to hide.

I don't want to discourage anyone from using TOR or encryption, but the government figured out ways around this a long time ago. They count on people having a false sense of security - it makes their data collection easier.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:33 | 5832712 DontGive
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Don't need a new wifi adapter. Jut spoof the mac address. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAC_spoofing

My hope is this spurs a renaissance in distributed networking with encryption. Then the spooks will be shitting bricks.

See also: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_hash_table

Fuck them, hard.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:25 | 5832683 Hal n back
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whats not so funny is we sit at out PC's and complain, yet do nothing.

 

So a show a hands of folks that have actually done something  to change this course we are on. I complain to my wife who tells me to stop driving her nuts and I should get a life.Our kids agree with here.

 

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 18:29 | 5833137 Tek Kinkreet
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We scaled down, lowered our expenses, got out of debt, are localizing as much as possible and are deprogramming the kids. Teach your kids well, if the revolution doesn't happen in our generation, it might have a chance in the future.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:35 | 5832200 Beam Me Up Scotty
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"Or when do the hunger games begin?"

Alot of the Middle East already looks like District 12, so I would have to say, the Hunger Games have already started.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:49 | 5832272 Yao
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Yes but is Capital City DC, Beijing, Moscow, London or Brussels?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:45 | 5832231 Harbanger
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Traditional Marxists wanted control over the production and distribution of goods.  The Neo-Marxists want control over the production and distribution of information.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:03 | 5832325 Oldwood
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which ultimately is all that matters.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:11 | 5832087 overmedicatedun...
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sam better add to your list ACA, it is going to kill a lot of people withholding care or making it too expensive for most.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:20 | 5832125 SamAdams
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Affordable Care Act.... ain't

Fixed it!

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:05 | 5832341 BeerMe
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Quit reminding me that my insurance now covers nothing at 4x the cost.  Time to cancel it altogether and not pay the tax.  That will be the only way to break the system.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:45 | 5832516 tradebot
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fuck me

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:06 | 5832598 Abaco
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Yes, well except perhaps for citizens untited, there is absolutely no lawful authority for them.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:14 | 5832098 junction
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ObamaCare Part 2: NetCare.  Expect the price of your Internet services to skyrocket.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:16 | 5832109 NOTW777
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and service to plummet

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:51 | 5832281 suteibu
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Yeah...I don't get this statement in the article,

"While potentially good for a consumer's pocketbook, the handing over of "fair-use" decision to the government..."

I don't see any potential good for consumer's pocketbook at all.

I watched the hearing.  The first thing that caught my attention was the addition of the fees for service like what you pay for telephone service (9 billion a year).  Also, apparently the rule that was voted on was completely open-ended as regard to forbearance on many issues. 

The small-time service provider is going the route of the small town hardware store and locally owned drug store.  Welcome to the resurrection of Ma Bell.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:00 | 5832316 sm0k4
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Not only that, but its all a bunch of smoke and mirrors. Don't "fast lanes" already exist? ie: cable tiers, T1, T3, fiber, etc.? So what is the difference between the speed tiers we have now and those they are proposing through the facade called "Net Neutrality"?

We are letting this country be destroyed by money and greed.

 

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:09 | 5832359 Oldwood
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Money and greed have always existed. It is the power of government and its enabled monopolies that is crushing us.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 19:25 | 5833325 ForTheWorld
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Money is the enforcer of the power of government and monopolies are the physical representation of greed. So, money and greed.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 18:38 | 5833168 Tek Kinkreet
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Who still has a land line? We pay about $30/year for MagicJack and call anywhere we want. The truth is, either way this went was going to be bad. The government is owned by the corporations, the difference is a circus smokescreen. We pay insane rates for zero customer service as it is because TW and Comcast have illegally colluded to build area monopolies.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:03 | 5832588 Greenskeeper_Carl
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And expect to hear calls of 'rationing bandwidth.' During peak usage hours like you do with power during the summer.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:03 | 5832590 A Nanny Moose
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If you like your interwebz, you can keep your interwebz.

We Hexxed some folks.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:14 | 5832099 NOTW777
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lets hope ZH doesnot go black

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:53 | 5832293 Implied Violins
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The Tylers will need to get on their knees and grovel in front of Feinstein so they can get their 'green cards' that entitle them to be internet journalists. Of course, that will mean they have to be microchipped first, with drones flying overhead just in case they ever go 'off the program' with what they post...

This WILL happen. Bills have already been introduced before, and will be again. Here's a link to an article describing what Feinstein tried to fob off on us before:

http://watchdog.org/100682/feinstein-wants-to-limit-who-can-be-a-journal...

I bet this gets reintroduced YESTERDAY.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:01 | 5832319 JuliaS
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Nice knowing you all. I'll make sure to send a carrier pigeon as soon as they let me out of ObamaPrison.

Fri, 02/27/2015 - 02:15 | 5834511 jamesoboston
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Trying real hard here to understand why the couch-surfer brain trust of ZeroHedge thinks this is a bad thing. And yeah, I have the education and experience to evaluate "net neutrality" independently... WTF people? Do you really prefer a world in which Comcast is your daddy and makes all the rules?

Fri, 02/27/2015 - 02:15 | 5834513 jamesoboston
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Trying real hard here to understand why the couch-surfer brain trust of ZeroHedge thinks this is a bad thing. And yeah, I have the education and experience to evaluate "net neutrality" independently... WTF people? Do you really prefer a world in which Comcast is your daddy and makes all the rules?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:03 | 5832029 roadhazard
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Well, there goes the neighborhood.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:19 | 5832120 Utah_Get_Me_2
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So the most criminally insane government on God's Green Earth seizes control of the internet the same week that same criminally insane government just decrees from on high that 5.56/.223 ammunition will hence forth be banned. This should end well.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:36 | 5832207 maskone909
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what?  we cant buy 5.56 anymore!?!?  are you serious? 

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:41 | 5832242 Utah_Get_Me_2
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According to the Apparatchiks in DC.. 'Green Tips' they alledge are 'armor piercing' will be banned.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:49 | 5832529 Laddie
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BATFE To Ban Common AR-15 Ammo, NRA-ILA, February 13, 2015

In a move clearly intended by the Obama Administration to suppress the acquisition, ownership and use of AR-15s and other .223 caliber general purpose rifles, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives unexpectedly announced today that it intends to ban commonplace M855 ball ammunition as “armor piercing ammunition.” The decision continues Obama’s use of his executive authority to impose gun control restrictions and bypass Congress.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:51 | 5832283 Harbanger
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If you like your 2nd amendment, You can keep your 2nd amendment, The constitution however, doesn't say anything about ammo.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:09 | 5832612 Abaco
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Ammunition is included in arms.  Regulation of arms is not included in the Commerce Clause as it is superceded by the 2nd amendment. This is an unawful action. Know anyone who works for BATFE?  Shun them and shame them.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:03 | 5832032 Gringo Viejo
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If one thing has been proven throughout recorded history, it's that TRUTH cannot be destroyed.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:06 | 5832052 madcows
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i disagree.  truth can be obscured, hidden, spun and turned upsidedown until the real truth is so hard to find that no one can actually lay hands on it.  just look at our government and media complex.

I vote that we change the name of the internet to Pravda.  this is just the first step in the goverment suppressing information.  they'll have control of the print and television media soon enough, too.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:16 | 5832110 N2OJoe
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Oh the truth is routinely destroyed. If History is written by the victors, then most of history is at best half-truths.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:09 | 5832361 Bastiat
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The russian mysic Ouspensky said words to this effect:  the "history" we are taught is the history of crime.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:17 | 5832113 SofaPapa
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Well...

 they'll have control of the print and television media soon enough, too.

That's a strange comment, and no mistake.  They have had control of these media for decades.  You really think the print and TV are less controlled than the internet?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:29 | 5832166 SquadronVBF94
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But it can be suppressed, for decades. I.e. the Soviet Union. Unfortunately even when the horrors are exposed no one is held accountable.  Thanks Bush 41,you stinking traitor.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:50 | 5832284 Yao
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Every history text used in American grade schools disagrees with your assertion.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:04 | 5832034 stant
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Good bye , it was a nice run there for a long while

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:44 | 5832037 astoriajoe
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So do we get to see them now?

edit: Why junk me for that comment?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 17:05 | 5832812 SofaPapa
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I've noticed lately that some of the junks are truly random.  Several completely non-controversial statements from a variety of posters lately have been junked.  It's really weird.  Probably associated with some algorithm somewhere.  I can't begin to imagine why, however.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 21:10 | 5833686 SofaPapa
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I'm glad to see our serial junker has a sense of humor. :)

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:04 | 5832039 buzzardsluck
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I'm SHOCKED, just SHOCKED

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:09 | 5832075 overmedicatedun...
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the emperor has consolidated more power, agents now run amazon, doj, sec def, r rubin and wall street, comcast owner of cnbc nbc , refuting court orders, do we need to define a dictator>> look at 1600 Pa ave washington DC..civil wars were started for far less.

 

"It is extraordinarily tragic that the greed of a small group of crony crooks revolving between the corridors of corporate America and Washington D.C. may be about to ruin the open internet as we know it."

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:05 | 5832042 gdiamond22
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More government control! YAY!

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:05 | 5832044 Temporalist
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Forward! over the edge

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:06 | 5832051 czarangelus
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I thought the point of net netrality as proposed to the FCC was to prevent the creation of tiered Internet speeds based on content. Of course, it could be the typical 1984 Fed doublespeak way of implimenting tiered pricing under the guise of enforcing neutrality...

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:34 | 5832195 silentboom
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.gov took a disagreement between two companies and used it to implement the fairness doctrine and the fucking lowlife leftist scum cheered for it.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:17 | 5832388 agstacks
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Does the Fairness Doctrine state that opposing views are guaranteed "equal time" in the public interest.  I cannot think of a better example of allowing "opposing views" than to allow Zerohedge. Of course, they will say, "Lies are not in the public interest, thus Zerohedge must be banned from disseminating lies" 

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:26 | 5832436 silentboom
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For every article that's anti bailouts there will have to be an article about the supposed benefits.  The law will be applied so that everyone is fearful of drawing scrutiny so language will be moderated and the range of though diminished.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:36 | 5832478 permarig
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Same here. The term should mean level playing filed for everyone. But the article suggest they're working on enabling the exact opposite. And that would imply that the thing is a huge farce in plain sight.

Of course, it would be typical of them. Sometimes I'm hesitant to subscribe to the idea that these elites are extremely intelligent or inventive. Too often it seems, the method they believe in is the brute force approach.

Here again, they're supposedly trying to subvert the game with multilayers of convoluted political bullshit and lies to bring about more force feeding. It's the approach of overwhelming on both fronts, political and propaganda.

Almost needles to recite the 'who'd benefit from this' line. I.e. if our stuff would get masked or neutralized by more noise and heightened barrier of entry.
Maybe that's what they meant in double speak. An approach to neutralize what's causing inconveniences for them.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:37 | 5832486 TimmyB
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You are correct. Net neutrality means Internet carriers such as Cox, Verision, ect., can't charge sites like Zero Hedge extra for allowing Zero Hedge's content to go to users. All websites must be treated the same, or neutrally.

What Internet providers were attempting to do was slow down traffic from sites that didn't pay them, and speed up traffic from sites that did.

The choices were: 1) being raped by Internet carriers; or 2) government regulation preventing such rape.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:12 | 5832622 Abaco
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The choices being offered might have been the two you put forth but certainly are not the only possible choices. Local action to remove government granted monopoly franchises, thus enabling genuine competition, would be a preferred choice. Whther or not anyone thinks this move by the FCC is a good ide or not there is no disuputing that the move is unlawful.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:14 | 5832633 Ms. Erable
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But with this government, we'll get option 3) government regulations forcing rapacious rates on all content providers and end-users.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:08 | 5832062 Dr. Engali
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CNN has a huge site? What's a CNN?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:11 | 5832078 stant
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You have to go to a airport to see that on a tv

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:18 | 5832393 NeedtoSecede
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I travel via airplane a little more than I care to, and I agree with your sentiment @stant.

Airline travel is an Orwellian wet dream.  First you get the groping by TSA, where if you pay attention, you will see 99.9% of the sheep cheerfully allowing themselves to be groped and their privacy invaded.  And then, while waiting at the gate you get bombarded by the .gov propoganda being spewed out by a talking head on CNN. I am a pretty sociable person, and don't like to "isolate" myself by wearing headphones, but I can only take some much of the fucking propoganda.  If I have to wait in range of one of those damn TVs, the headphones go on immediately, and the volume goes to 11.  I am fortunate to perform work I enjoy, but holy shit, I am getting real tired of flying.

And now this bullshit...

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:29 | 5832698 tired1
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FWIW, I'm planning one last one way flight. I cant take much more freedom.

 

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:08 | 5832066 Hohum
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If the vote went the other way, it might lead to revolution.  And we don't want that, right?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:09 | 5832074 kowalli
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I will miss you guys

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:09 | 5832077 bg6666
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America is finished

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:20 | 5832127 FreeShitter
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Its been finished we just havent received the killing blow yet.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 23:02 | 5834045 oddball
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It is finished, but why do I still get a bill?

 

Free fones!  Free internet!  Free dumb!

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:10 | 5832079 wmbz
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Another frog in the pot!

It will take awhile but the big gubmint regulations will forever change it. Anyone that does not believe it will get to see it.

Bad,bad,bad fucking news, but no surprise. Welcome to the USSA! 

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:13 | 5832091 t0mmyBerg
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Net neutrality itself is obviously the way things SHOULD be for the net.  The problem is that there is probably a whole lot more BS tacked on to this simple idea.  And if Obama was involved, you can be sure it is totally fucked up and wrong.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:20 | 5832123 N2OJoe
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Anarchy is how the internet should be.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:38 | 5832216 t0mmyBerg
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In almost every other area of governance i would agree but on this one issue i do not.  i personally do not want comcast or verizon looking to extort fees from high traffic sites or even low traffic sites to ensure traffic.  and rest assured they will

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:56 | 5832305 silentboom
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"In almost every other area of governance i would agree but on this one issue i do not"

See a flaw in your logic there?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:14 | 5832631 Abaco
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Then talk to your local government that created the de facto monopoly that enables Comcast to screw you over.  This is not a federal matter. I agree that Comcast should not be able to extort Netflix but disagree that the proper solution is tobow down to unlawful actions by a few statist pigs at the FCC.

Fri, 02/27/2015 - 02:38 | 5834533 TimmyB
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Either Comcast can do what it wishes, including extorting Netflix, or the government makes such extortion illegal. There is no third way.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:32 | 5832184 silentboom
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The net is already neutral, anyone can say anything and there are already laws on the books for fraud and abuse.  This law is demonic.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:41 | 5832241 t0mmyBerg
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the law may be demonic, every part other than the strict idea of net neutrality.  but it is apparent you do not understand the issue.  the main idea of net neutrality is not about free speech, except insofar as it prevents private companies from stifling it, which in itself would not be in cantravention to the constitution (and it may set up government intrusion on free speech as the main article proffers which would be in contravention to the consitution).  It is about abuse of quasi monopoly power by fucking bad companies.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:15 | 5832639 Abaco
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That power is a product of local governments, in order to avoid to appear to be raising taxes, granting monopoly franchises to these fucking bad companies so that the local politicians can skim their piece. This is not a federal issue.

Fri, 02/27/2015 - 00:27 | 5834302 drdolittle
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Corporations have been trying to get more than their share for awhile. Anyone remember that twit senator from alaska referencing a bunch of tubes? It already is neutral, as it should be since we the people funded it's invention. Opposite guy rules apply, whatever the law is titled, the result will be the opposite.

I'm gonna grow my biggest garden yet this year. I'll need to since I won't be able to be on zero hedge. That and, I like my own food.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:21 | 5832406 Max Cynical
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"The problem is that there is probably a whole lot more BS tacked on to this simple idea."

Yea...335 pages that had to be passed before anyone could see what was in it.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:16 | 5832093 chubakka
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there will be ways around this i'm sure.  i think there will be a "black internet" created.  if its possible.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:14 | 5832100 mister0_1
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HAM radios are the new websites. Get those before they're banned too.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:15 | 5832103 Panic Mode
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The site is in their radar. Youtube next.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:15 | 5832104 FreeShitter
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Bye ZH...gonna miss the truth.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:25 | 5832152 divedivedive
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Or - Is this sort of thing going to push ZH (and others) to 'off-shore' providers ? I can imagine a VPN-like solution/application which routes traffic based on performance. Or maybe a cluster of various locations - inside/outside the US. Perhaps a new internet will evolve.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:29 | 5832167 silentboom
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A silk road for information, of course god help you if you get caught providing unapproved info.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:02 | 5832322 Winston Churchill
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Just as well the BRICTS already thought of that.

Isn't it this year they finish laying the undersea cables, cutting out the US as a central node ?

I'm sure satelite access will come next to their internet.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:07 | 5832352 silentboom
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True, these motherfuckers will force zerohedge to report lies half the time since that's what they call fair.  Noone can have an exclusive opinion since it's unfair to some asshole.  This is the evil fairness doctrine again.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:17 | 5832112 orangegeek
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communist in the white house

 

lee harvey, you there?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:20 | 5832124 Dr. Engali
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It's not just the white house, Washington is full of those fuckers.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:42 | 5832248 dexter_morgan
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They are ALL Fabians (aka CFRs) now. The one pawn that had to be toppled, the US, is almost there now after Bush and Obama, so FORWARD to the one world ZWO government and ONE legal tender currency.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:19 | 5832121 WTFRLY
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aaaaaaaaaaand it's gone

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:20 | 5832126 SquadronVBF94
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The republic is dead. Cuomo makes a public bonfire of the records of his corruption and it draws no more reaction than a yawn. The new "rules" will carry the authority of law and will be used to so restrict access to any sight critical of government as to render them shut down.  Its been fun ZH but sites like this will be the first to come under assault.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:21 | 5832130 smokeey
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aaaaand it's gone

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:23 | 5832139 Carnegie_IB
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and there is nothing any of us or you can do about it other than report the news and make money as a content provider. ZH may report what others do not, or at least used to. However what kind of people is this a community of? sayers or doers? it appears all we can do is say, because we lack the resources, time, or both. 

Eventually calling a top every single day will one day be right. However between now and then, what happens? more of the same click bait, or worse?

Time to build our own internet, because those with means surely must have already.

As if this is not a sign of the times. How many here have profited from the information presented on this machine.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-25/hyper-luxury-cars-are-...

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:22 | 5832140 buzzsaw99
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too late. it seems to me that the internet has already driven a stake through those maggot's hearts. pathetic cable companies trying desperately to remain relevant.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:22 | 5832141 El Vaquero
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Government motto:  If it ain't broke, fix it until it is.

 

 

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:34 | 5832198 SofaPapa
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If that's not on a bumper sticker yet, you've got a winner...

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:24 | 5832150 Smiley
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Remember:  Hand written notes, sealed envelopes, wax seals, and burn it after you read it.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:27 | 5832158 Everybodys All ...
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When you control the content you'll control the narrative. Which at the end of the day is you control everything. Once again a very sad day for freedom and liberty in the US. When will this end?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:29 | 5832164 q99x2
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namecoin bitchez

 

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:29 | 5832169 wmbz
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"Net Neutrality" = Government control...Period. Over 300 hundred pages worth. Another "we" need to pass it to see what's in it ass raping.

Well I don't need to see what's in it, because it is fucking bad news, it comes from and was written by odious people!

Say goodbye to the internet as you know it...Watch and see!

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 17:00 | 5832798 Victory_Garden
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"Well I don't need to see what's in it, because it is fucking bad news, it comes from and was written by odious people!"

BONG.....BONNG......BONNNG!!!!!

The bell doth toll for thee, oh isreal.

Prolly gonna be a last post here on ZH, so embrace the last drinks of truth while you can. Evil has won the day. Between the obvious satanic control over this site, as exemplified in the take down of horrendous truth expressed on the rothschild vs rothschild story(comments), and now this bankster socialist communist satanic rothschild zionist takeover of the internet, there is no longer any desire to express truth here in the face of the total SATANIC CONTROL OF ZEROHEDGE.

Who would sand alone against such obvious overwhelming control? The owner of this site has fallen to fear, a fear induced by satan! No less. The reason the rothschild vs rothschild story was taken down and disappeared, was because the comments ripped the masks off those who serve satan, and can no longer hide behind them. Moar of the quickened hitlery reason to shut down free speech and to control the internet freedom before her appointment to presidency of what ever is left of the usa if we al make it to that time.

This evil takeover is a complete violation of the First Amendment rights of every American. Problem is, not many americans even care as the corral gates are slowly shutted to forever keep them in. Being stupid and ignorant has finally had it's last meal. Welcome to babylon totalitarian control. Calling today to shut off the internet. No longer gonna pay babylon to spy on innocent Americans that only love their country, and People. No moar paying the govt to spy! Filing law suits to reason why Americans no longer have constitutional rights and freedom of press any moar seems like something to occupy ones time with now. Researching how to take back our God given Rights.

Here now is the mask of satan that is moar responsible for this evil action taken by the fcc. There is no doubt more evil is to be revealed, but for now, know WHO and what mask of SATAN is behind the evil of the internet tax and track and freedom take down.

It might be a time to start up the old newsletter and mass distribution of fliers. Church days are a good time to decorate the cars parked outside. There still might be some hope in the christian nation to stop satans armies of evil mask wearing servants, but that is seriously in doubt as the churches are all run by the false prophets who kowtow to the govt in 501c3 govt churches, and on clergy response teams.

FARK YOU BABYLON!!!

“Our job is to make media reform part of our broader struggle for democracy, social justice, and, dare we say it, socialism. It is impossible to conceive of a better world with a media system that remains under the thumb of Wall Street and Madison Avenue, under the thumb of the owning class."

Read em and weep, for freedom is a dead chicken and the babylonians have won. No one cares. Go back to the moneygod to which all serve and kiss the arse of the evil that will eventually kill us ALL!

http://patriotrising.com/2015/02/25/socialism-behind-net-neutrality-fcc-...

Selah, sailors!

 

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Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:29 | 5832170 dexter_morgan
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So what 'problem' is it again that this government involment is supposed to resolve?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:30 | 5832172 chubakka
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people here are so pessimistic.  as if it all over throw your hands up attitude.  you dont think some really savvy people will fight this and come up with some workable alternative?

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:33 | 5832188 dexter_morgan
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green arrowed for your optimism. Not an abundance of that around now days.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:40 | 5832232 Vinividivinci
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Oh, I see. So you believed "Hope and Change" as well ?!

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 14:45 | 5832257 dexter_morgan
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I do have to add - like who? Those same savvy people that fought against Obamacare? But, I do wish I could be more optimistic like you.

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 15:39 | 5832498 chubakka
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We'll have to wait and see what happens.  The truth always prevails in the end.  People want truth and will get it one way or the other.  A few bone heads cant stop it.  

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 16:14 | 5832634 The_Dude
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That is the most naive statement I have heard all year....but it's still early!! (Is that being optimistic enough for ya....)

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 17:46 | 5832965 Bollixed
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"The truth always prevails in the end."

Well that all depends on what your meaning of 'is' is...

Thu, 02/26/2015 - 18:55 | 5833219 optimator
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They can't stop the truth, they never could.  But they can and will make sure the truth is spread much more slowly and unevenly.   For example, as a youth I can remember my parents and friends discussing the real Pearl Harbor attack story two years after it happened, and they were right on.  But it took years.

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