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What Happens If The Department Of Homeland Security Shuts Down
Moments ago we got another stark reminder from none other than the president himself, that the nightmare of all mega-statists, another (partial) government shutdown, may be just around the corner:
IMPORTANT: Congress is only one day away from another shutdown. #EnoughAlready pic.twitter.com/xz5DwiZ3Ef
— Barack Obama (@BarackObama) February 26, 2015
The reason: as soon as tomorrow, the one part of the US government which to many is a manifestation of all that is broken with the current US "big brother" state of pervasive, ubiquitous surveillance and broken immigration policies, the Department of Homeland Security which was created in response to September 11, and which houses the agencies with jurisdiction over immigration law, the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) may be shut down.
As ABC explains, the reason is that unlike the rest of the government, the DHS is subject to stopgap funding and "since September, Republicans and Democrats haven’t been able to agree on a full year of funding –- instead, twice since then they’ve agreed to fund DHS for a couple of months, each time hoping to reach a deal on a full year of funding. Time runs out again Friday night, but no deal is in sight."
Republicans irked by President Obama’s plan to give legal status to 5 million illegal immigrants say this time they’ll let DHS “shut down” unless the Obama administration backs down from its immigration plan. Democrats insist DHS funding shouldn’t be tied to a presidential action taken without Congressional approval. But if DHS does “shut down,” should you be worried? It depends who you are, and how long the shutdown lasts.
What happens if we go into the weekend without a DHS deal? In the event of a shutdown, the vast majority of DHS employees would stay on the job. DHS Secretary Johnson said earlier this week that about 30,000 of DHS's approximately 240,000 employees would be furloughed. The rest would be considered exempt and most would have to work without pay.
For everyone else, a brief shutdown won't have an impact. Should the shutdown drag on, this is how DHS official describe the "state-less" hell that would be unleashed:
FEDERAL EMERGENCY MANAGEMENT AGENCY
- If a major snowstorm or earthquake or even terrorist attack hits a city or state, DHS won’t be able to send the state federal funds for recovery.
- State and local authorities rely on federal grants to afford many of their first responders, but new grant requests won’t be processed – potentially forcing cities and towns across the country to cut back on police, fire and ambulance services.
- Each month, FEMA trains thousands of state and local emergency personnel how to handle “very specialized” cases such as those involving Ebola, anthrax or sarin gas, but that training will stop.
CUSTOMS AND BORDER PROTECTION (INC. BORDER PATROL & CUSTOMS OFFICERS)
- 500 recruits currently in training in Georgia will be sent home, wasting significant amounts of taxpayer money already invested in them and possibly losing them as recruits.
- CBP won’t be able to replace or upgrade aging surveillance systems along the Southwest border
- Certain criminal cases against those trying to cross the border illegally or smuggle prohibited items into the United States will slow or stop, especially after lawyers at CBP are sent home.
SECRET SERVICE
- The Secret Service won’t be able to make certain security upgrades at the White House in the wake of several recent breaches there.
- The 2016 presidential candidates could be put at risk because the Secret Service won’t be able to pay “for the things we need” to protect them.
IMMIGRATION AND CUSTOMS ENFORCEMENT
- ICE will miss out on hundreds of millions of dollars intended to address “unaccompanied minors” and families still crossing the Southwest border illegally.
TRANSPORTATION SECURITY ADMINISTRATION
- “Nothing to report here,” though training and other “non-essential administrative functions would cease.”
So will there be a shutdown? Here is Stone McCarthy with an answer looking at the probability of just that contingency.
Funding for the Department of Homeland Security will lapse after Friday if Congress doesn't appropriate funds through either a continuing resolution (CR) or legislation that funds DHS for the balance of the fiscal year. Recall that when Congress in December passed legislation funding the rest of the government through September, it chose to fund DHS only through February 27. Many Republicans hoped to use DHS funding to block President Obama's executive actions on immigration, and felt their odds would improve in 2015 after taking control of the Senate and winning a larger majority in the House.
As we wrote in our December comment, simply keeping the DHS on a shorter funding leash doesn't have much impact on Obama's executive orders on immigration. The DHS houses the agencies with jurisdiction over immigration law: U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) and U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP). USCIS would take the lead in implementing the President's executive orders on immigration, but doesn't rely on the annual appropriations process for funding.
The House did pass legislation in mid January that both funds DHS and explicitly prohibits the relevant agencies within DHS from implementing the President's immigration policies. But the legislation has stalled in the Senate, where Democrats have blocked it on four separate occasions.
Senate Majority Leader McConnell is planning to strip the immigration provisions from the DHS funding bill; a vote on a clean funding bill could come as soon as Thursday. McConnell wants to hold a separate vote on immigration, but Democrats say they won't agree to that until DHS is funded.
Assuming the Senate passes a clean DHS funding bill, what does that House do? House Speaker Boehner would have trouble getting the more hard-line members of his party to support such a bill. There's talk that a recent ruling by a Texas judge that blocks the implementation of Obama's immigration orders might give Republicans cover to support a clean funding bill, but that's far from clear. In the end, Boehner would probably need to recruit some Democrats if he wants to pass stand-alone legislation funding DHS, assuming he's willing to bring it to a vote.
We would put the odds of a DHS shutdown at less than 50-50. After their big win in November, GOP leaders pledged that they would prove that they "could govern," that government wouldn't lurch from crisis to crisis and that there would be no government shutdowns. We think the odds of Congress funding DHS through the entire fiscal year are probably also less than 50-50, however, and that DHS is funded again for a shorter period of time through a CR. (A very short CR of a day or two is also possible over the next day as Congressional leaders sort out the logistics of voting on a clean bill.)
If a shutdown occurs, we think it would be brief. The political repercussions of shutting the DHS could be negative, especially given recent events including threats to U.S. shopping malls and today's arrest in Brooklyn of three individuals charged with aiding the Islamic State.
In the event of a shutdown, the vast majority of DHS employees would stay on the job. DHS Secretary Johnson said earlier this week that about 30,000 of DHS's approximately 240,000 employees would be furloughed. The rest would be considered exempt and most would have to work without pay.
DHS hasn't published a detailed breakdown of employees that would be furloughed or exempt like it did in advance of the 2013 government shutdown. But the estimates published then serve as a useful proxy for what would happen in the event of a shutdown after Friday. The following table summarizes employees at the agencies within DHS that accounted for the great majority of employees in advance of the 2013 shutdown, and shows the number expected to be furloughed and the number expected to be exempt at that time.
As the table shows, USCIS accounted for 5.7% of employees in 2013, but just 1.1% of furloughs. As we noted above, USCIS doesn't rely on the annual appropriations process. Presumably its exempt workers would get paid, but we're not entirely clear on that. In the event of a shutdown, the operations of USCIS would for the most part continue. However, that may be a moot point for the President's immigration policies unless a higher court reverses the stay imposed by the court in Texas.
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So if the DHS shuts down, nothing bad happens, got it.
I smell a large false flag operation brewing that will be blamed on the closing of DHS.
Gene Rosen
I would rather have moar bread and less of this government circus.
Seriously, I read that when DHS was formed, other agencies provided some of their employees. Now, do think those agencies transferred their best, most productive employees or their most worthless piece of shits? I know what I would have done. I would have unloaded useless baggage.
That's generally how the corporate world works, but we are talking about the Federal Government here. Non-essential personnel essentially describes everyone almost perfectly.
http://ideas.time.com/2013/10/04/shutdown-highlights-basic-fact-most-of-...
No DHS? Does this mean that we'll have to pay for airport groping now? I smell a business opportunity! Thanks to the sex offender's registry, I know where to send the job position openings to.
S'truth Ruth!
The cost of all this ' Suckurity ' since that fateful flag in 2001 has attributed to the decline of Empire, bearing all the hallmarks and similar in feat to the run-up and Fall of The Roman Empire.
It must rankle all the more when a simple tap of Mossad's H/Q would have sufficed.
Shut the bitch down and see IF 315 million people in a big-assed country can survive at least one second without it....make that one nanosecond, I don't want to push our luck...
Like other empires before, this American empire is dying a slow and agonizing death as well.
I don't see a single thing in their official release that would bother me if it stopped. If that is what they are threatening us with, they've just given the green light for them to be shut down long term, to my mind.
This is a trick question, I'll take false flag for maximum daily double Alex.
Fkem! Why do I give two shits about the 2016 Presidential candidates? I wouldn't care if DC got wiped off the map.
Sooooo tempting to open a Twitter Account just to troll the #enoughalready shitheads.
Boehner will roll over at the last minute exposing his pre-greased backside...
And he'll be crying and reek of cheap scotch.
Good ones. Ain't a pardon for them by any means, but at least one can crack jokes on the DC scum.
Meanwhile the British scum are just plain evil ugly and disgusting bastards.
The scum at the department of homeland secuity are some of the most vile filth on the planet. I would do more to save the life of a single diseased maggot then I would with all of them. Real men believe and support the notion that progressives/globalists/nanny-staters/gun control advocates should be brutally exterminated.
barry - you are the president - the real world calls this abdication of responsibility
amazing how this fuckhead points his finger and runs the other way
Shut it down? How about burn it down!
What happens?
For one thing my computer would get much faster.
no states wont " not get funding in a disaster " they will get thru another avenue, just not DHS. and ebola training " you're fucking kiding me? you actually want to claim resposibiltity for that cluster fuck?
The Tarists win,. there will be tarists attacks day and night 24/7
Don't worry, this will be fixed in short order. Don't forget, DHS's real job is to prevent us 'Muricans (Fuck Yeah!) from escaping when this bitch finally collapses.
Heck of a job Brown-ee.
Some are saying it qill take years to get through all the leagal stuff. I bet it takes less than 6 months for them to begin shutting down sites they see as not in the best interest of the collective.
Spoon feed us sosiclaism until we woke up tomorrow as communist. not facist.. communist.
Its not closing its being renamed to ''Der Vaderland Uber Alles''
Why bash Hitler and the NSDAP? They did more to try to stop this sickening rise of a one world order than any of us have so far. You really should read some works like The Protocols, The International Jew, and perhaps even Mein Kampf and look how much of what was described in these works has happened and is happening right now. The fact that these works come with "warnings" from globalist and anti-American groups like the ADL should not only give you pause but make you want to see what is written inside. I find it interesting that those who warn about reading these books never try to refute anything that is said in them.
Well, you do have a point there. But actually most real Nazis went to work for the Pentagon vis a vis 'Operation Paper Clip' and USA just took over where Hitler left off. Except its run by ZioNazis.
They are book burners and haters.
Burning books in their day would be like shutting down tripe like MTV and the disgusting propaganda you see on TV. I'm all for it. As far as hating people goes? Yeah, I hate people. I hate anyone who tries to destroy the nation my forefathers fought and worked so hard to build. You sound like a brainwashed liberal and I say that for your own good.
Fear porn.
Brought to you by the number one fearmongerer of all time, the U.S. government. Stay scared, sheep.
If it shuts down, then they can convert that new 3 billion dollar building just outside of DC into a free range chicken ranch. People will get some benifit from it then.
Answer: Progress
If DHS shuts down we could have thousands of illegals pouring across the border WITHOUT RECEIVING THEIR GOODIE BAG of subsidies and free health care! Oh the horror.
"What Happens If The Department Of Homeland Security Shuts Down?"
You won't like Zio Revolutionary Michael Chertoff when he's mad.
"Enough already." Yeah no shit. They're not shutting shit down and it will be bigger and badder than ever in no time. Anyone see the AR ammo ban exec order? Liberty was a nice notion but oh well.
Does that mean I don't get any more free handjobs from TSA?
If DHS shuts down the administration will have no means to enforce their recent executive ban on the most popular ammunition in the country.
The problem with going for the throat, is that if you do not succeed, you've signaled to your opposition that you intend to kill them regardless.
The executive ammunition ban is solely for the purpose of doing something that cannot pass democratic muster, for the purpose of wholly eliminating the possibility of physical resistance to any further activities the administration intends to engage in to which the populace would object.
It means the fucking terrorists have LOST!
What happens if DHS shuts down?
It's gets safe to run the Boston Marathon again?
Explains all the MSM propaganda fear mongering...
Does that mean we can smoke cigarettes on planes again?
So does that mean I can jack off under the blanket on long flights again without fear of going to GITMO??
No pay sounds good to me.
Do the same for the Dept. of Edmunicashun, Ag, Justice, and Defense and we're good to go.
And who will touch the balls and the asses of males and the vagina of old and young women ? That's not normal ??!!! People are so used to this outrage that they will miss it ... ( ah,ah,ah, ) . Is that a "normal" country of perverts ? USA normality is not appreciated in other places ......
OT but ZH needs to get on the story of Soros funding the internet control act.
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/soros-ford-shovel-196-million-to-net-n...
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/joseph-rossell/2015/02/25/soros-ford-founda...
We are all winners if the DHS shut down into nonexistence.
If the DHS shuts down, a bunch of people will be out of work and life will be a lot easier for the rest of us. That's all.
Remember the last time?
Paid vacations for all .gov workers. At least the ones who were affected.
Going out in a limb to say: nothing has or will ever change.
Pensions will get paid at all costs, no matter what.
If not, then the song from the Oscar's come to mind. What was it called?
Answer is: Glory.
[Chorus: John Legend]
One day when the glory comes
It will be ours, it will be ours
One day when the war is won
We will be sure, we will be sure
Oh glory
[Verse 1: Common]
Hands to the Heavens, no man, no weapon
Formed against, yes glory is destined
Every day women and men become legends
Sins that go against our skin become blessings
The movement is a rhythm to us
Freedom is like religion to us
Justice is juxtapositionin' us
Justice for all just ain't specific enough
One son died, his spirit is revisitin' us
Truant livin' livin' in us, resistance is us
That's why Rosa sat on the bus
That's why we walk through Ferguson with our hands up
When it go down we woman and man up
They say, “Stay down”, and we stand up
Shots, we on the grown, the camera panned up
King pointed to the mountain top and we ran up
[Chorus: John Legend]
One day when the glory comes
It will be ours, it will be ours
One day when the war is won
We will be sure, we will be sure
Oh glory
[Bridge: John Legend]
Now the war is not over, victory isn't won
And we'll fight on to the finish, then when it's all done
We'll cry glory, oh glory
We'll cry glory, oh glory
[Verse 2: Common]
Selma's now for every man, woman and child
Even Jesus got his crown in front of a crowd
They marched with the torch, we gon' run with it now
Never look back, we done gone hundreds of miles
From dark roads he rose, to become a hero
Facin' the league of justice, his power was the people
Enemy is lethal, a king became regal
Saw the face of Jim Crow under a bald eagle
The biggest weapon is to stay peaceful
We sing, our music is the cuts that we bleed through
Somewhere in the dream we had an epiphany
Now we right the wrongs in history
No one can win the war individually
It takes the wisdom of the elders and young people's energy
Welcome to the story we call victory
Comin' of the Lord, my eyes have seen the glory
[Chorus: John Legend]
One day when the glory comes
It will be ours, it will be ours
One day when the war is won
We will be sure, we will be sure
Oh glory
[Outro: John Legend]
When the war is done, when it's all said and done
We'll cry glory, oh glory
Yep, once funding is restored, they get back pay.
These "shutdown" threats are one of the biggest scams Uncle Scam pulls!
What will happen? Terrorist Drills will stop going "Live!" Real Americans can take care of ourselves. Everything, and I mean Everything the Guberment touches turns to SHIT...
KAOS will take over the USA one day after DHS funding stops.
So let me get this straight, my wife of 15 years, a foreigner, for whom I have had to jump and pay through every financial hoop and government fee collector and is scheduled for renewal of her Green card, required for a visit to her home country in July, may suddenly not be able to leave?
I told her it was a simple solution. Book her return flight to Mexico and re enter across the border. Better still, I may not even have to pay any more INS fees!
Then I get my tax returns today, saying I owe over $6,000 (5,000 to FEDS, 1,250 to NC) as my accountant/ attorney explains (since this was totally unexpected due to the amount of withholding already in place) are "partly due to Obamacare."
THE MOTHERFUCKING GOVERNMENT! KILL THEM ALL!!!!
Long tar and feathers.
Personally, I can't wait to plug a Jihadist in a Mall/Movie Theatre near me!!!
Jihadist is code for 'CIA/FBI'
f*ck the DHS.
what have they gotten right since they've been in biz??
The American people can breathe a little bit easier if Homeland Security, the gestapo run by Israel, is shut down.
Good, shut it down. Shut it all down, except for government agencies as required by our Consitution.
My platform for President includes;
0% Federal Income Tax for everyone (50% don't pay now, anyway).
3% Capital Gains tax for corporations to fund the government's operations (aka defence of our nation).
Shut down virtually every government agency.
Audit and then end the FED (which will collapse under its own weight upon revelations of said audit).
The above to be done through LEADERSHIP...not Executive Action.
That sounds nice and I would support that however what you are arguing for is essentially the same as arguing for reforms in the last days of the Roman empire. We need to get over this hangup with the "United States of America". It's time for a movement to break up what's left of this former nation and institute something fresh and new. This tactic would work better from a psychological point of view in my opinion as well. People generally aren't as excited about maintaining and repairing something that is old as opposed to getting something new. That's a moot point though since the USA cannot be repaired. Fighting against history is just as futile as fighting against nature.
Transcending the concept of being governed by 'government' would be a good start.
I think some folks tried that once. Sometime around 1861 as I recall
DHS being shutdown = Happy Days!
Whatever happens if there is a shutdown, the President and his buddies will make sure it inflicts the maximum amount of pain on the American public.
Don't get my hopes up.
> Scared of DHS (domestic terrorism)
> Scared of 'bin Laden' types (foreign terrorism)
>>dhs is the enemy
>> Some random ISIS guy is the enemy
This is not a bluff. Think about this:
If DHS gets shut down, we all cheer because they aren't spying on us anymore.
Then, after a few weeks, a False Flag occurs. A big one.
The Government shrugs and says, "Well, if DHS hadn't been shut down, we would have caught that before it happened."
Most of America screams for the DHS to be reinstated immediately, its funding increased, its powers enhanced, its scope broadened, and no more rights for anyone online. Or anywhere.
That's what they're going to do anyways. I think people are beginning to wake up to this shit though thanks to the Internet and hence the reason they want to regulate it out of useful existence.
Just like they prevented the Boston attacks after being warned TWICE by Russia (of all countries).
Oh, you mean a government engineered false flag?
By the way... the revolution will be televised and it will be commercialised. As soon as something poses a threat to the status quo and the establishment, some fund or mega corp. will jump on the bandwaggon and make it a commercial product that can be packaged, styled and marketed.
They say America's economy is 3/4 dependent on the consumer. Biggest consumer in America is .gov and the 2nd biggest is the MIC. Nobody ever mentions that in the same context. People believing the individiual or family is actually making a dent in the American GDP.
The last Depression was papered over with money from thin air. America's biggest consumers (see above) could continue to do what they do best .. consume of course.
As the Depression goes deeper and there's no more leverage left even for the Fed, the shitshow will come to a crashing halt.
That guy Crispin was correct. I'm not sure if this collapse can be shorted anymore than the USSR could be shorted though.
If DHS had a 100% shutdown, we would have a corresponding 100% less terrorist attacks.
I could live with a few self-immolating halal food carts.
What a mess!
We've got Jihadi Johns scampering around taking people's heads off, and I'm sure I won't get any upvotes for this, but I personally know a lot of very sincere and decent cops who aren't trying to turn this place into a police state - they're just trying to keep reasonable order in a country that is descending fast into disorder.
If there's a problem relating to a police state, it's with our leaders in DC.
I have no desire to see this country become a failed state - and that's just where we're headed.
I have to say, if the police blast away at ISIS types and cop killers, as these types try to take over the country, I'll be very grateful. What sane and normal person wants to see cops killed and wants to see the country descend into chaos?
Sure - we're headed for virtual dictatorship, but when citizens do violence against the police and other security agents, you're just proving that the dictatorship is "necessary". Don't fuel the trend!
Criticize the leaders, when it's justified, but don't advocate and fuel violence - you're no better than Jihadi John if you do. Such a person inspires absolutely no respect from me - I'm hoping he and his ilk are fully brought to justice and executed for their crimes.
I'm glad the Founding Fathers didn't take your advice.
You sickos imagine that you're following in the footsteps of the founding fathers - but they had what you don't - respect for life as well as for liberty. They were not nihilists!
They defended themselves against a foreign invasion. Very wisely, they did not attempt to take on the British Empire in Britain - they set up shop in the new land, declared their independence and defended themselves when they were invaded.
Revolution may well sound romantic, but it's also very bloody and pointless, since once the blood-letters take power, they nearly always find themselves addicted to power and killing. What the hell makes anyone think that if you nihilists got your way that things would be any different or better than they are now? Hmmm?
My best suggestion for you is to go set up shop in some new land, because your nihilism isn't something to be proud of. I'm sure ISIS could find a spot for you.....
I'm not following you. No one has said anything about killing human beings on this site. Sure, lots of folks are calling for progressives, nanny staters, gun control advocates, tyrants, and globalist bankers to be destroyed but that's no worse than calling an exterminator to take care of a roach infestation. Maybe that's a bad analogy. Roaches don't tax me at confiscatory levels, they don't hate the Bill of Rights, they don't spy on me, kill people in foreign lands and thus turn them into rabid radicals, yada yada, you get the drift.
Sure - we're headed for virtual dictatorship, but when citizens do violence against the police and other security agents, you're just proving that the dictatorship is "necessary". Don't fuel the trend!
Well, now I understand why Adolph and Joe murdered millions (not to mention all the other tyrants of the past 100 years), the People weren't compliant enough. WTF Dude?I read only Pros and no cons of DHS being shutdown. Shut it down and fire the useless motherfuckers! Return the money to the states!
I cannot find any downside at all to the "Shutdown!"
Surely they must have some FFs in the playbook for this type of event!!
"...some personnel would HAVE to work without pay..."
Oh, I'm sure that would work real well!
Not for long mind you, but real well... ROFLMAO
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We didn't Have Homeland Security prior to 9/11... well, didn't do much to stop the Bombing in Boston, all BS...
It's a farce. More government garbage shoved down the throats of the American public.
I'm not feeling any love here for dhs.
Some secretaries don't come to work, hell I haven't even had a secretary in 15 years. Thats gov't intervention for you. Oh, speaking of government intervention, thank you Sheeple! The internet is now a regulated utllity. Enjoy your Netflix, at the cost of never ending intrusion.
Is the shut down of the DHS infaltionary or deflationary?
Does anyone care whether DHS is shut down (except for the employees that need to collect thier pay and have families)?
More fear porn to create the pre-text for the Muslim False Flag attack comong to justify the loss of freedoms & more Police State. So obvious.
The APOGEE of stupidity....
Sheeple, it's what's for dinner....
This government has been sowing the seeds of hatred and terrorism for decades - I'm not sure they'll need to do all the work of planning out a false flag.
The FBI will roll out the next Oklahoma City bombing.
That there are people concerned something bad will happen if DC shuts down is all the proof you need that DC has the best propaganda system the world has ever seen.
Oh my, if the funding isn't approved then all those ICE and Border Patrol folks will stop getting paid to NOT do their jobs and NOT uphold the laws on the books?
Having the executive office broadcast out propaganda like this is utterly disgusting. I don't think there's anyone on the planet as fucking in love with himself than that piece of shit.
I think most of the planet is exactly as in love with themselves as our esteemed President.
Here's a idea... defund congress and the executive branch... send them home and then redirect the money to DHS.
It would be a start. THen only about 30 more ABC departments to go. Maybe liberty can make a comeback if people man up and act like responsible adults. We can throw off this Fed-yoke.
Innumerable number of lives are saved
Well, THAT didn't take long...
Headlines on Drudge...
"TSA ISSUES SECRET WARNING ON 'CATASTROPHIC' AVIATION THREAT
https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/02/25/tsa-issues-secret-warning-...
500 recruits might have to go home? Recruits for what?
High governemnt salaries, gold-plated benefits and 30+ years of taxpayer supported retirement?
got ... to ... stop ... this ... madness!
The GOProgs will fold like the bitches they are. I'd bet a month's income.
What happens if we go into the weekend without a DHS deal? In the event of a shutdown, the vast majority of DHS employees would stay on the job. DHS Secretary Johnson said earlier this week that about 30,000 of DHS's approximately 240,000 employees would be furloughed. The rest would be considered exempt and most would have to work without pay. -- ZH
Nothing will happen, except 210,000 DHS employees must work without pay... Let's hope it lasts a while. Long enough for exempt DHS employees to figure out their station in a bankers' world.
What happens if Homeland Security shuts down?
The same Cyrus Grissom's (John Malkovich) daddy taught him: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9a0kNAGIqE8
Cyrus Grissom: Ya know what my daddy taught me? Cameron Poe: What's that?
Cyrus Grissom: ...
Oh the HORROR OF IT ALL!!!!!
we are not that lucky.
“So what happens if DHS is shut down?”
You left out a few items.
For example, it would shut down a bona fide terrorist organization. Few people seem to realize that the DHS was specifically modeled after French committees of terror (1792-4), the Judeo-Bolshevik Cheka (aka NKVD, KGB et cetera) and the Nazi Schutzstaffel.
These are generally recognized as organs of terror. Their primary purpose was to protect rule by thieves by eliminating all dissent. If the DHS is modeled after those historical instruments of terror, what possibly could be its purpose?
Isn’t that a silly question?
After all, what does the DHS plan to do with 2-3 billion rounds of ammo… an amount sufficient to wage an Iraqi War, at its highest rate, for 25 years? Remember, so-called terrorists do not travel as armies; but, rather cells of 5-10… and the DHS needs 2-3 billion rounds of ammo for these tiny cells… you know, the ones established by the CIA or FBI? Try again.
The real purpose of the DHS is to secure rule by criminal and useless classes by literally exterminating large numbers of productive and thrifty classes. Those in the productive class provide market-related goods and services; those in the thrifty class include all those who have accumulated an earned savings (opposed to a plundered savings). Such savings can be in the form of physical gold or ownership of a business, stocks or bonds, among others.
Do you think you will survive this extermination merely by sitting back and waiting for the crash? You’d better reconsider your posture.
This is the warning that comes from reading the act of Congress that established the DHS. This Act created a system by which informers could make false allegations against anyone they please with near-total impunity. Of course, such informers aren’t described as informers; rather they are given the title “submitting person” and the DHS Act provided that their falsehoods would never be examined by any court or legislature or law enforcement agency. The legislation even specifies how this immunity is obtained. The “submitting person” only has to give an “express statement” that his lies were “voluntarily given” and that he expected “protection from disclosure”. It’s all there, in the act that created the DHS.
I’m sorry guys, but silly season is over. Even if you own physical gold, live in a cabin in the woods along with a stash of ammo and AK-47’s, you lose. If you don’t fall to the horde of hungry homeless, you will fall to DHS death squads. All the homeless have to do is to wait until you collapse from lack of sleep (24, 48, 72 hours), then they march in, slit your throat and… let your imagination run wild.
If you own stocks or bonds, guess what: you’re depending on criminal and useless classes to deliver your purchasing power at the moment of their greatest victory. Did I mention something about ‘silly season’?
If you want to survive, you have to combine with others of like mind for the purpose of mutual protection, among other purposes. The big question now is, ‘HOW is this to be done?’ And the quick answer is, ‘You must establish First-Amendment assemblies – the only historically-proven method by which men have made their lives and property secure from rule by thieves.’
The American Revolution, for example, was powered by a large network of such assemblies: from town meetings, county meetings, state conventions and, ultimately, to Continental Congresses.
I’m sorry, again: but I seem to be the only source for this information – despite all my efforts to distribute such knowledge.
Real, effective, protection is only possible by knowledge of the law and procedures of redress – and actions based on that knowledge.
If the DHS were to shut down, would that stop their unrelenting release of tens of thousands of felon illegals back into American societiy from which they were raping and murdering? Ok. did not think so since 85% are considered essential workers.
Nothing, that wouldn't have happened anyway.
13.5%= a "shutdown?"
No wonder the Republic is bankrupt. What a Total Fucking Joke!!!!!!!
Tools.
Just wait and see...the TSA will show those west coast longshoreman what a real work slowdown looks like. Those turkeys can make sure that none of your checked baggage makes it to its destination. Gubermit gangstas be ridin' dirty.
The taxpayers will save millions, DHS will shut down, all those people will go out and find real jobs. No one will be there to prevent Obama from being assassinated.
But there must be a down side.
What would happen if the DHS just closed down?
Nothing except the average IQ of both a Gov't employee and an unemployed worker would both go down.
we have two hundred and forty fucking thousand people working for the DHS. holy shit snacks.
We'd all be a bit more free. How horrible.
The part of Homeland Security deriving its income from drug and weapons trade will just stage another attack to get the main-line funding back in order. It is a fantasy to think that the official .gov can shutdown the unofficial parts of the Heimatland Security (much like the SS) and the agency given their extraofficial funding sources. Same game - different century.