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China Just Sided With Russia Over The Ukraine Conflict
When it comes to the Ukraine proxy war, which started in earnest just about one year ago with the violent coup that overthrew then president Yanukovich and replaced him with a local pro-US oligarch, there has been no ambiguity who the key actors were: on the left, we had the west, personified by the US, the European Union, and NATO in general; while on the right we had Russia. In fact, if there was any confusion, it was about the role of that other "elephant in the room" - China.
To be sure, a question few asked throughout the Ukraine civil war is just whose side is China leaning toward. After all the precarious balance of power between NATO and Russia had resulted in a stalemate in which neither side has an obvious advantage (even as the Ukraine economy died, and its currency hyperinflated, waiting for a clear winner), and the explicit or implicit support of China to either camp would make all the difference in the world, not to mention the world's most formidable axis.
Today we finally got the answer, and the winner is... this guy:
Xinhua reported that late on Thursday Qu Xing, China's ambassador to Belgium, was quoted as blaming competition between Russia and the West for the Ukraine crisis, urging Western powers to "abandon the zero-sum mentality" with Russia.
Cited by Reuters, Xing said that Western powers should take into consideration Russia's legitimate security concerns over Ukraine.
Reuters' assessment of Xing speech: "an unusually frank and open display of support for Moscow's position in the crisis."
At least it is not a warning to the US to back off or else. Yet.
Speaking in very clear and explicit language, something diplomats are not used to doing, the Chinese ambassador said the "nature and root cause" of the crisis was the "game" between Russia and Western powers, including the United States and the European Union.
He said external intervention by different powers accelerated the crisis and warned that Moscow would feel it was being treated unfairly if the West did not change its approach.
"The West should abandon the zero-sum mentality, and take the real security concerns of Russia into consideration," Qu was quoted as saying.
His comments were an unusually public show of understanding from China for the Russian position. China and Russia see eye-to-eye on many international diplomatic issues but Beijing has generally not been so willing to back Russia over Ukraine.
As noted above, China has long been very cautious not to be drawn into the struggle between Russia and the West over Ukraine's future, not wanting to alienate a key ally. And yet, something changed overnight, with this very clear language, warning some could say, that China will no longer tolerate Pax Americana, and even the mere assumption of a unipolar western world, let alone the reality.
Qu's comments take place just as talks between the United States and its European allies over harsher sanctions against Moscow.
On Monday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov accused Western powers of trying to dominate and impose their ideology on the rest of world. The United States and European delegations slammed Moscow for supporting rebels in eastern Ukraine.
Qu said Washington's involvement in Ukraine could "become a distraction in its foreign policy".
And then, Qu's slap in the face of Obama: "The United States is unwilling to see its presence in any part of the world being weakened, but the fact is its resources are limited, and it will be to some extent hard work to sustain its influence in external affairs."
Especially if and when China decides to send a few peacekeepers of its own into Ukraine. You know - just to make sure US influence in external affairs isn't "sustained" too much.
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THat's nuffin'. Nikkid strangers running from Prince Phillips when he was caught with the Queen.
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Now, back to or regularly scheduled cluster-fuck.
Whaddja'll expect? The Chinese to be our buds when all we do is piss on 'em about MSG?
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In return for which Russia supports China taking over Taiwan and Tibet!
In this case, it takes a village idiot.
And an idiot just expanded his authority.
But the muslim/totalitarian-in-chief should retire to the links to think this one through.
It’s not the same as stealing a nation from somnambulant sheep.
The article is wrong. The "winner" is COMMON SENSE.
Putin is shorter than the Chinese man. How lame.
There was some other short guy who tried to conquer the world to make up for his insecurity over his height. Was Putin by any chance once a corporal too?
Nah... You didn't know the tallest Chinese man is automatically elected leader?
I just came back from China, hence my lack of posts here recently....now I understand fully why like Russia, China thinks alike.
Most Chinese are simple, they work a ton harder than the people in Europe and the West BUT they make peanuts in terms of salary. However, they prefer to live a simple life and enjoy themselves. Not much rules and restrictions....look at the traffic regulations or the stuff you can bring into and out of the country....its a ton better than getting a speeding ticket for going 20mph or getting in trouble for bringing an orange on an airplane over here.
I also know why China wants to restrict the internet and media, especially from the west because it only corrupts the mind and deceives people. Hence China banned Facebook and JOOgle because they know how these Jew wish owned sites instill propaganda and causes uprising.
Google HK is not banned (though I think it maybe now, not sure) but thats why HK is used by the US/UK as a ploy to disrupt China every chance it gets.
I also went to the temple during Chinese New Year...there are swastika signs all over the buddha's body...no wonder China, much like Russia, will be targeted by the West (guided by the Zionist regime)
I spoke with my gf's relatives and they all love Putin...Its going to be hard to stop China and Russia together...and the West knows it.
i always thought these two communist dictatorships were of like minds, does this surprise anyone?
Beijing can't then subsequently expect the West to support Chinese territorial integrity, nor any of its regional ambitions, nor their current activities of sly island building and military base construction and thus defacto territory annexing outside of international law, within the >SOUTHERN< South China Sea, given that Beijing's diplomats officially don't even support the basic international standards and concepts of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine and its independence from armed attack or interference, and therefore they don't support those principles, in general, elsewhere either.
It is as obvious to Beijing as it is to Moscow that the western zionazicons won't stop until they control everything and every one, so these two ancient peoples make obvious allies against USrahell naked aggression.
Tell it to Vietnam, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines and Indonesia. Then tell it to most of Eastern Europe. I don't think they're going to see it that way. Just an observation.
How about we ask ALL of Central and South America how they feel about AMerica meddling into their affairs all during the 1980s? Ask Nicagarua, Bolivia, Venetzuela, Cuba, etc, etc ,etc how they feel about America and maybe just maybe your eyes will be one and you will learn something. But who knows, i dont think you will.
Your on-going confusion and ranting is because you're an ignorant twisted slavic fuck who's not got the slightest inkling of a conception of what non-partisan might possibly be.
So please consider yourself pre-dismissed, as you are ... thanks.
What a truly moronic discourse. Have a red and fuck-off !
gee, lemme guess, you're an ignorant twisted slavic fuck too?
I think I'm starting to get an inkling of a conception of what non-partisan might possibly be :))
Have a red AND a blue and fuck-off !
Oh look! Three putin dick-sucking trolls in a row!! You can get together and have a sleep-over!
lots o butt hurt chinese and russian down voters. lol
It makes them happy, and that's important too.
I don't know about "happy"...but it is amusing. :)
Nah. I prefer sticking it to a bigot. :)
So please consider yourself pre-dismissed, as you are ... thanks.
Hey, Element, without the please, consider yourself a Zionist-Bankster Talmudist-Paedophilic supporter. No Thanks! We don't want bankster-paedos here (i.e. your kind).if you say so ... harmless jew ... lol
How's the weather in Tel Aviv, fuckwad?
Just an observation.
An observation seen through the eyes of a Zionist-Bankster apologist.
Beijing can't then subsequently expect the West to support Chinese territorial integrity, nor any of its regional ambitions
Are you trying to be funny or sumfing?
Of course Beijing doesn't expect the West to support Chinese territorial integrity. That is why it's teaming up with Russia.
HE IS A NARCISSTIC NATO-SALIVATING SPINELESS DOUCHEBAG . IGNORE HIM
Dude, your keyboard is having issues with the drooling, it's now stuck on all caps. Get a bib. :D
THEY ARE COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP SAME OLD RHETORIC DEPLOYED BY CORRUPT SOCIALIST OLIGARCHY TROLLS.
hey big dick... what party is the monkey you elected twice already...?
"COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP SAME OLD RHETORIC DEPLOYED BY CORRUPT SOCIALIST OLIGARCHY TROLLS"
youre referring to Obama and Brussels, yes?
YES STRANNICK . PEOPLE HERE HAVE SOME SERIOUS COMPREHENDING ISSUES LOL
You have NO clue . .no fucking clue .. stuck in stupid ... China is hardly communist ... more autocratic than anything with Chinese style economics.. fascism meets mercenatlism .. and Russia .. perhaps an oligarchy but at least 'Russian leaders put heir COUNTRY first unlike the lot that runs the WEST . or RUINS the West .... the fascistic 'WEST
Besides that, all governments considered as entities are dictatorial. It is a monopoly of force.
Try to set a private enterprise to adjudicate government laws or actions.
Ouch! U.S. finished by 2025.
Rostislav Ishchenko, President of the Center for system analysis and forecasting in Russia.
Dear Mr. Ishchenko, 2025 will be too late.
I would recommend you to speed up your forecasting. Wonder why?
China will have to shift from an export model, thus US retails will go bankrupted.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://actualcomment.ru/chego-khochet-putin.html&prev=search
I have a similar take as we have done business in China for a long time. What does not makes sense is why American foreign policy blatantly appears to drive China and Russia together. Something stinks here as China has had keys to our treasury and commerce since the 70's. They are loyal as well and own tremendous assets in America...
connect some dots for me.
Good question.
It was wonderful for the MICs during the Cold War. The Soviets were fantastic foes. Very dependable and not too crazy. Always required massive defense spending to "keep up with the Joneskis". Then Reagan screwed it all up. The USSA has had to invent enemies for the past 25 years. The whole Muslim terrorist thingy is running out of steam. Until ISIS posts videos of their fighters clubbing baby seals, drowning cats and harpooning whales, its kinda...meh. However, bring back the Axis of Evil Plus and the MICs will be in hog heaven for the next 50 years.
Just my thoughts.
I'll take the "Evil Empire" over the "Axis of Evil" any day.
Too bad Oklahoma only made one Crusader Artillery piece actually. "Wrap up the whole war in a nice little bow."
Instead all we have are Palladins.
Any who...China does appear willing to sign up for a war with Turkey no doubt.
That won't go over very well in Western Europe in my view.
The Germans will of course continue to say Nein.
Whole thing is a mess...like the US economy should be a lot worse.
"Just give it a few days" I guess.
Turkey just got through announcing that it's refusing to integrate its new national missile defense system with NATO, including the NATO missiles currently deployed in Turkey. No one is really saying much about this yet but the defeat of the Turkish secularists, especially in the military, is done. Turkey is going native ... and the natives are not too keen on NATO. At some point soon the West is going to have to stop giving defense tech to Turkey, because it should be clear by now that Erdogan will shaft NATO.
Turkey Won't Link Air Defense System to NATO - February 19, 2015
Now that the world has reached Peak America, more and more countries will start shopping around.
The problem is all of the traders are selling some pretty shitty goods. Maybe another case for the least dirty shirt.
By traders I assume you mean stock traders. The problem is that the "traders" aren't doing any real work and companies making billions of dollars are creating massive wealth, but the companies aren't paying taxes through offshore subsidies. Some 20 billion dollar profits are not paying any tax at all. These profits are not lowering their price for the goods they sell, they aren't going to the wages if the small amount of employees they actually do employ in this country, they are going to one fucking thing: their own stock.
The profits are creating wealth in a small amount of hands, they aren't creating jobs. The people who need jobs who are massively underemployed. The people who can work albeit through their underemployed status have to pick up the tax slack for these wars and basic services.
So it is not a problem of "traders selling shitty goods". Traders sell little pieces of paper in speculation. People with jobs are caught up in this fiasco under 401k's. By the time they do get some money out of it (having that it doesn't collapse which it will) when they are old and need the money for medical bills, the tax of inflation will kick their ass and they would have put aside a portion of working their entire lives not for a better standard of living, but to keep thier head above water-and this is best case scenario.
If companies want to operate here, profites need to go into investing into the company and I do not mean doing so by stocks. I mean maybe buy detroit factories and actually put some people back to work.
You would be entirely wrong in assuming I meant that.
Clearly you didn't even read the preceding conversation before posting your aimless junk.
But I'm happy to elaborate.
I was referring to countries, that are now geopolitically beginning to 'shop-around' (read the prior two comments above yours). The 'shops' are traders, their product is an alternate geopolitical alignment, and they are all selling dodgy geopolitical options. So the least dirty shirt is what the 'shopper' country will have to choose, the option that compromises their national interests the least, and produces the least worse downside. Erdogan seems to think it can do better via stepping away from western and NATO alignment.
I would say he's very wrong about that, but Erdogan and his party in Govt are Muslims and are appealing to a religious vote and have an anti-secular bent that was warned about well before they came to power. The Turkish military warned that Erdogan and his party would try to eliminate the secular military and secular society, and that's exactly what they have been doing. And replace it with a more or less mildly anti-western leaning. And given western behavior since GW1, it's not hard to see why that's working.
However, if the point of geopolitical choice and state policy is the Turkish state's physical security, and its survival and defense, then no, Erdogan will not be serving Turkey's people's position and security better via stepping back from Europe, and away from NATO integration.
But if Turkey's people feel they will have a better country and conscience via appeals to greater national 'non-aligned' independence in military, foreign affairs and state policy, and the resulting pro and con vulnerabilities and deficiencies and downgraded relations that will bring, then good luck to them.
I would just say that the West should now be considering very closely the impacts of Erdogan doing just that, because Turkey currently is receiving some of the most advanced networked-warfare systems so far developed and given the things they have been both saying, and doing lately, I would not give Turkey any more of it from here. The resulting vulnerabilities that already exist in western defense networks and comms systems is enormous, and will need to be covered off, if Ergogan's anti-secular bent and drift away from NATO continues. And in practice, it will.
Frankly I think NATO is both recently and currently much too lacking in discretion, with regard to all sorts of new advanced systems being sold into the ME, by money-hungry arms manufacturers with very little regard for the potential consequences and massive vulnerabilities this will bring. Not to mention the massive waste and costs to taxpayers of mitigating the pending damage.
Royterz News:
Turkey To Join the SCO
Russia offers Free Membership in the EEU
The German population - not the government with IM Erika and at the top IM Larve - would align with Russia immediately. I am sure things will develop that way anyways. Merkel is just a "mad cow" - at least according to Jim Willie. And I agree totally!
Germany does not want to fight any war again - particularly not against Russia. Germans still know how destroyed cities look like. The stance of the US-administration that Germany would "provide security" in Europe is just ridiculous.
Frankly, Jim Willie is a fucking worthless retard who's constantly trying to concoct a new and more elaborate fanciful fairytale to tell to gullible idiots, so he can hook and stampede them into buying gold.
Other than that he's great! Tells a great yarn!
But no, Merkel is in firm control in Germany, for now, and she's not going to waver an inch and she's already made that completely clear, and all the crap coming out of the mouth of clowns like Willie is contrived gobshite that was cynically written and mouthed for fools to suck up and buy into.
Why?
Because it W O R K S !
It sells gold! ... plus who's stopping him? ... so why not?
And thus it is.
But don't make the mistake of actually believing him.
Element is probably a rich boy who was handed everything in life jobs, money, "opportunity" from taking advantage of others...., or just paid shill. So he actually thinks what the MSM tells him. Why don't you go eat some "freedom fries" or other Monsanto infected products and get even more obese shithead motherfucker. I think you'd be more comfortable watching FOX news than here, this site is for realists and your shit don't fly.
Want to know how I know you ar ea mouthbreathing simpleton science denying flat earther?
You actually stated this:
Holy fuck you are retarded.
So a simpleton is against patenting life? A simpleton is against Monsanto? I will need you to elaborate on how you come up with this logic. Corn, soy, roundup laced wheat, ability to have heirloom seeds that have regenerative properties and lack nutritional health. I have one word evil. Call me what you want. Maybe you need to grow some food for once in your life and work enough to need the oxygen to breathe through your mouth assnuts.
Mortified that anyone dares see things totally independently of your pet doomer psycho-hate memes? I've worked hard since 15 years, no one gave me free rides or an inheritance. What I have, yeah, I built that. And that maybe hard for you to comprehend, but snivel all you want, you ain't gettin' a lollipop that way. :D
Mortified? No, most of the country thinks independently of me, but truth is not measured in mass appeal. I don't care what you have. Do you actually have the skills to "build" what you have with your hands? Idk you though you have been given opportunities that will only last so long having that we are a "service" society and do not produce what we consume but rely on the petrodollar supremacy and global reserve currency. Either way, I suggest you stop getting butt hurt and research socioeconmic, and geopolitical reality instead of waste your time stating:
Pet doomer psycho hate meme.... I don't even know what that means. It seems to me you are just an agitator for a site that is contrary to what you believe, and I called you on it. But it was a mistake feeding the trolls in the first place. Now fuck off.
Sorries, I won't be taking pointers from crap like you. You claim to represent and reflect what this site 'believes', and I don't, huh? Really?
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Funny, somehow I seem to have been here about seventeen times longer than you!
Lemme guess, you've been here from the very beginning, BUT a zionist cat ate your homework, and you've had to go away on a secret mission to save the world (not that you were previously banned for being an inconsolable dickwad), and now have returned to zh with a new username as you couldn't remember what it was, and you're not really just another pitiful fucking troll talking pure arse? lol :D
It's OK, there's a lot of it about. So I take with a grain of salt anyone who's been here less than 12 months, they just don't know their arse from their elbow. And then there are all these fuck-nuckle jerk-offs who discover the nasty zionist menace and spend the next 12-months ranting and raving like a mad dog about it. Yes my dopey friend, you are that uninteresting odious crap that gets kicked to the side around here to get to the commenters and posters who actually know their shit.
I suggest you read the zero hedge manifesto rather than yap more vapid NOOB-ism. Pay attention to the bits about doing your own research and checking and to think stuff through independently and not just be another useless gullible regurgitating moron buying into whatever pathetic distraction-crap drifted into your transom.
Tyler includes all that he says in that advice (most of all) so needless to say whatever you assumed to be the zh 'belief', you don't have even the beginnings of a hint about such an unknown and unseen beastie kid. ;-)
grow a clue snotty
There goes Disabled-HEAD....
Fucking hell, the number of Zionist-bankster / Talmudist-Paedophile is growing fast.
Won't you fuck off and die already??
Remember if you object to Jeffery Epstein and Alan Dershowitz rape and defiling you 14 year old daughter then you're an anti-semite.
Haha, the "Axis of Evil" is the Anglo-Zionist Cartel, with HQ in the sovereign square mile of the City of London.
I cant answer to that, we can go both ways and step in both sides shoes and make assumptions that would make sense as to whether China is really siding with US or with Russia behind the scenes, only time will tell.
However, I am willing to bank on the fact that allegiances must be had in this new world order and even though nobody should be trusted, it is best for China to maintain relationships with those that have similar thoughts and ideals. The enemy of my enemy is my friend, nobody in China likes the US and thats a fact.
I do note and confirm that the Chinese people are totally in love and duped with Apple products, I mean 4 out of 5 people I see in Shanghai has some sort of Apple products. It is mind boggling how China can ban Google and Facebook but allow Apple to run rampant. I think thats a security issue for China for so many of its citizens to own an Apple product. Well China (and Korea) did put fine Jew owned Qualcomm recently, so maybe soon Apple is next.
Re: "What does not makes sense is why American foreign policy blatantly appears to drive China and Russia together."
^ That is the fundamental question that every 21st-century ideologue and flag waver should ask him/herself as the first step to deprogramming. If it's so undesirable, why do the psychopaths seem hellbent on fostering and encouraging it? The answer becomes obvious to anyone looking into the origins of GWOT, AGW and every new spider's web:
"The whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, all of them imaginary.” – H.L. Mencken
It's really great that you take the time Lore to assure everyone here at Zero Hedge that "all of them [are] imaginary"
So c'mon everybody, turn off your computers and go out and party!
Everything is awesome!
Humble Pie / C'mon Everybody
IMNHO, it has always been the intention of the banksters to collapse America, because our Constitution establishes the Rule of Law as superior to the Rule of Man. The Rothschilds and the rest of the Pharisees/moneychangers, all believing themselves descended from King David, and drunk on their presumption of the divine right of kings to rule, HATE our Constitution for this exact reason.
Goading China into destroying America is probably one of their many methods for achieving the eradication of our Constitution, and all it represents - namely, a threat to their megalomaniacal, psychopathic powerlust.
At any rate, that's how I'm connecting these dots. YMMV.
They hate us for our constitution? lol
If by "they" you mean the moneychangers, yes. They despise anything that keeps them from owning and operating the entire world for their own fun and profit. They've sought to gain control of this country and its citizens since its founding.
Humanity will never move beyond war and tribal bigotry until the perpetuators of war and tribal bigotry - the banking families - are wiped from the Earth. Them's just the facts.
Our Constitution has shit all over it because George W. Bush wiped his ass with it.
It means the "East vs. West" meme being propagated is, like every other managed conflict in history, simply an orchestrated financial bait-and-switch of sorts. At least, that's what internal policy papers seem to suggest. Zhou Xiaochuan, for all his rhetoric on monetary independence, has been rapidly moving through the ranks at the IMF. He even published a paper via the Bank of International Settlements suggesting that China should use its precious metals horde not for a Yuan standard, but to back the SDR: http://www.bis.org/review/r090402c.pdf
A position that Chatham Hosue has echoed within the last couple years: http://www.chathamhouse.org/sites/files/chathamhouse/field/field_documen...
Goldman Sachs referred to the yet-to-emerge BRICs as a "dream" back in 2003: http://www.goldmansachs.com/our-thinking/archive/archive-pdfs/brics-drea...
...and the UN's Conference on Trade and Development called BRICS a "dream coming true" in late-2014, with a heavy emphasis on "sustainable development": http://unctad.org/en/PublicationsLibrary/osgdp20141_en.pdf
Is China the West's Trojan Horse tasked with (eventually) destroying Russia, or is the entire BRICS construct and NDB simply the means to promote a "multipolar, multilateral world" dictated by trade agreements, as the IMF is calling for?
http://www.imf.org/external/ns/search.aspx?NewQuery=multipolar&submit.x=...
That, I don't think we'll know without retrospection on the history currently playing out before our eyes.
2017: Goldman Announces HQ Move to China
Dunno JRev, although there's some comfort in thinking that it's the same as it ever was, I have the bad feeling, as Jimi Hendrix said, "my Baby don't live here no more".
There's a red house over yonder...
All our institutions have a white paper... until it gets lit on fire. The "dream come true" could turn out to be The Great Divide then all the bets are off...
*fingers crossed*
Perhaps I should've clarified myself; reading the documents themselves, it seems quite clear that things won't be "the same as they ever were," at least not for the proverbial Man on the Street. A new Reserve Currency will be established, the multilateral form of Globalism we have now will structurally change to benefit the East as the West is sacrificed, and there might be a war or two in between.
So perhaps it's "business as usual" for the Power Elite, but the average Westerner will experience catastrophic currency devaluations and lifestyle changes as the First and Second World essentially swap places, only this time with Police States firmly entrenched in the flagship Eastern and Western nations of China and America. The primary concern I'm trying to address is the notion that China (which Heinz Kissinger himself has referred to as "The Model of the New World Order" on many occasions) and the BRICS will somehow create a magical "Anti-Hegemon" economic sphere of gold, silver, puppies, and unicorns, when the policy papers essentially say the IMF and NDB are already busy gettin' cozy, if they haven't been since their inception.
Would go a long way in explaining why the London fix has given so much "Fire Sale" gold and silver to the East, if the intention were actually to back the SDR (or something akin to it) with PMs, "carbon credits," and national currency baskets.
In the long run, of course, everyone's just going to be replaced by AI and robots, but 2050 seems to be the regurgitated date in the "white papers" for that Age of Transitions.
I can't see that an inventory of PMs are any different/better than the physical inventory of timber or factories or whatever, and national currencies would be irrelevant after their conversion to the global unit of exchange. I'll call it the "CC". From my point of view, humanity needs a budget to stay within, the same as a country does or a family. The budget needs to be allotted fairly to each country, citizens in each country convert their fiatscos into the CC and then anyone can trade with anyone anywhere.
The West isn't going to just fall on it's sword but it is going to be pressured until it learns to live within it's budget. Yep, that'll be a shock to the boys and girls down on Main Street, but Wall St and K Street too. Anyone who doesn't do that will find that no country will do business with them. Finally there should be a "reserve" to deal with acts of god.
In a sense, this is what the Paris agreement negotiations are REALLY about, and everybody knows it. And it needs to begin now so that 2050 will be a celebration not a catastrophe.
One more thing is that Kissinger, like Gore, are polarizing figures, but they're both correct. China demonstrated to the world that staying within a budget is very very hard, but rewarding if you work hard at it for long enough. To wit: The One-Child Policy.
Thanks for the interesting comments and reply JRev : )
It means whoever the secret owners of America are, they want the USSA to go down while Russia and China go Up.
They even put an expert in 'going down' in the White Hut to assure their plan succeeds!
China just announced its going to build Zhuhai as a massive shopping center to replace the role that HK plays currently for Chinese shoppers from the mainland.
https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=en&...
The "swastika signs" you are talking about means 10 thousand for luck and prosperity. It is as old as time. If you have a Chinese girl friend, why not learn a little about the culture instead talk and think like a ignorant red neck?
Oh, by the way.The comments here about China is as bias as it gets. Same goes to Tyler. China is only good when comparing to US, or siding with Russia. This site now only have enterainment value.
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Yeah, I hate those stupid regulations. Like what you're allowed to dump here or there or spew into the air.
Those are not Swasticas they're peace signs in Asia.
Yup lets just forget about China invading Tibet and sponsoring North Korea gulags you moron. Why don't you just join Isis and and make it a triFecta. Its just too bad we have a weak President and the prospect of Hillary makes me ill. Putin will concentrate on breaking NATO next and China will focus taking over the entire Asiab area. Obama will decalre victory over IRAN and attend their first nuclear bomb party. Time to stock up on canned goods and ammo. As far as the Jews go well relax the Isealis can take care of themselves just fine because as you actually know they have a collective IQ higher than the rest of the world combined.
Hitlery makes me ill too. Though another bush is just as bad. Nepotism and this playing one of two sides on the same coin demonstrates that we are manipulated and programmed by propaganda to think that we have a choice.
I don't know about the apocolypse scenario but it's good to be preparred and self sufficient. How long will those canned goods last though? Tools and seeds are probably a better investment.
I disagree with one of your statements-Israelis can't take care of themselves. That's why they are the biggest lobbyists, called AIPAC, in D.C. and we give them more $$ than any other country when they aren't even poor and don't have a large population at all comparable to the rest of the middle eastern world.
+1......were talking sandbagging from wayback...bitchezzz!
Height was old criteria but Chairman Sum Ting Hai proved incompetent.
Reverted back to traditional criteria of penis size, introducing Chairman Hung Wei Lo.
China has its ups and downs, but will never forget the embarassment that was Wai Yu Kum Nao. One may say his supporters' ecstasy was premature, and short-lived. Of course, he was followed by somewhat dodgy Lei Ying Lo, but the whole matter was scarcely avoided.
Alexander the Great was a short man and he did conquer the world.
Not that impressive an accomplishment since the world was flat back then.
Napoleon was short, too, and he did great until he went after Russia!
...urging Western powers to "abandon the zero-sum mentality"
NATO requires that the sum of Western powers mentality must always equal zero.
#FREE POTEMKIN VILLAGE IDIOT
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/two-fed-members-speak-contradict-each-othe...
Tibet has been part of China for quite a while now. Not been out much ?
#FREE HY BRASILIAN
Lulz...
We know who you are...
Yes ~ A sunken & mythical alien island...
Your writing style is, how shall I say, distinctive...
Would you believe I share a certain characteristic with kito?
So howz the 'shark jumping' industry treating you these dayz? ~ lol
kito will ALWAYS be my friend, & would ALWAYS be welcome in my compound in a hypothetical 'MAD MAX' scenario...
Sorry, went out to dinner...
I wonder what it would be like in TM's BO location!
"In return for which Russia supports China taking over Taiwan and Tibet!"
Taiwan doesn't look so forlorn to me, and as far as Tibet goes, you know how life was under the lamas rule, I hope?
Feudalism, an 80% serf population, 5% ruling lamas, some wealthy landowners and that was it. And yes, the serfs wre tortured if they tried to escape.
Some great country of "liberty". No wonder the German Nazis loved it.
i'm sorry Lea i had to downvote you. i suggest you read some of the history of mao in tibet. mao couldn't fathom the waste of butter for lamps in the temples, his troops raped nuns and murdered thousands of monks. tibet is pivotal to china, 7 headwaters begin there. tibet is blessed with minerals and location. china has trucked in chinese to repopulate the country. the tibetans suffer tremendous hardships. tibet is complicated and a cursory swipe to suit doesn't suit. the dalai lama as a youth was drawn to hitler because he was so isolated that he was influenced by a german (i believe) radio operator or mechanic, he also favoured zioreal because he felt sorry for the underdog. the great 13th had foretold the devastation tibet faced, and he understood the sorrow isolation would cause them. the 14th was a boy. the irony remains tibet is lost as a sand mandala but the ideas and wisdom have spread globally.
It doesn't matter. The bigger fish ate the smaller (and impotent) fish. Isn't that the way evolution is supposed to work ?
Are you eight years old,
or just profoundly stupid?
It's the way the world works, even if you don't like it. As a vast majority of Americans is deeply delusional, there is no wonder you don't know (or agree with) this little fact of life...
As a vast majority of Americans is deeply delusional,
Thanks for answering my question.
Don't tell me you didn't know that either...
The main reason China 'acquired' Tibet was that they needed the territory in order to push through a railway to India where they could find even cheaper manual labour.
That's a fact, Jack.
Naw ~ It was because 'THE LAMA' could regularly outdrive Xi Jinping...
The 17 point agreement was a PRESS bet on the 18th hole...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seventeen_Point_Agreement_for_the_Peaceful_...
Stuck's right
Russia will support China taking over Taiwan
Anyone remember the blockace of Taiwan by China in 96
THey waited for the delayed US responce and they got it
Just prior to that Yeltzin and the President of China had a meeting
They were saying that they would end US dominance.
There you go.
China taking over Taiwan and Tibet
No, this makes no sense at all.
First of all, that's like saying the USA is taking over Texas and New Jersey.
Taiwan is part of China, Tibet is part of China.
Stop taking turns with Richard Gere swapping furry creatures into each other's butt-holes. Clearly, one of these furry creatures has entered your brain and thus affecting your judgement.
OR!
You could just be Zionist Bankster who's pissed off at China for backing Russia.
say what
Taiwan is part of China
isn't that kind of premature?
You could be a Chicom neocon zionazi tribe bankster
thats all the ZH sling words I can think of for now
No, I'm not dsty....
You on the other hand....
dsty = Department of the Scummy Talmudists who love Yellen.
p.s. you've never been a "thinker", so stick to being a hasbara drone dickhead.
Tibet is not china.
Tiawan is not china.
Oh really?
Well someone's got a gerbil up his backside!
Tibet is part of China, Taiwan was and will be a part of China again.
Right now, one is a hollywood client state, the other is a new-york client state.
We should demand better choices for our teleprompter reader in chief mascotts.
If we have 80 years . . .
Choomy is gonna find it hard to twist those guys arms....
Maybe if they blow up a fat one before they start talking Choomy will get upper hand.
No problem, Abbott will shirtfront Putin, Obama takes on the China boy. Problem solved, give me five, cheerleading, the yankee way, freedom'n'democracy, indispensable, the black knight always wins.
Why you shouldn't climb flag poles, butt naked, in the winter...,
not that I'm tempted.
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If they did a 2 for 1 split the loss per share would decrease by 50%.
Just sayin'
I have a lot of shares in PAAS, it has been in the dirt, along with the Ag.
Oh, well.
WOW!
That looks to me like someone tried to escape.
How high was this fall? 10 meters?
Why are these idiotic girls laughing?
Also strange, how many comments on YouTube claim that it was fake.
I cannot recognize anything that hints torwards that. The guy trying to escape lost the rope when he reached the first knot.
Also the panning is not at all unusual, because people watch the LCD screen and look directly on the scene to see, where to move the camera next. The panning is very natural.
Also the corner between the two building fronts is visible for a short time and no compositing effects can be seen.
Also the white rope can be seen behind the banister and no compositing artefacts.
If this was fake, then it is EXTREMELY well done.
So why are there so many comments, claiming it was fake, when at least is an extremely professional fake? Some of the ISIS videos gave more reason for doubt and no one form the YouTube sheeple had doubts...
Anyone who can use Google street view? To check if the building front is authentic since a few comments on YouTube claim, it was not.
Ok, now things get interesting.
I just checked the claims on YouTube, that this would not be Buckingham Palace.
See for yourself:
The Streetview address:
https://goo.gl/maps/vzmNt
The picture:
http://imgur.com/LOxjTmr
<a href="http://imgur.com/LOxjTmr"><img src="http://i.imgur.com/LOxjTmr.jpg" title="source: imgur.com" /></a>
IT IS BUCKINGHAM PALACE
So the stupid comments claiming that wasn't Buckingham Palace below the YouTube video do suddenly make sense. Not because the video is fake, but because the video seems to be REAL but the comments are fake - they are for disinfo purposes. If you can't censor and avoid the spreading of devastating information, ridicule the info.
But then the disinfo must have some quality.
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Noooooooooooo, say it isn't so! Our dear Leonard Nimoy has passed away. :(
Until Spock came along, I didn't know that Vulcans are Jewish,
or Ukrainian.
This was simply a disguised Truth that Chosenites are aliens.
They obviously fixed their ears a millenia ago to avoid detection.
***
It may or may not surprise you that Kirk is also a Chosenite.
So, Kirk was in disguise the whole time when he should have been sporting Vulcan Ears.
Spock also met lizard people during his travels and prevented their genocide.
and disguised his true identity by claiming to have Jewish Ukrainian parents;)
Interesting observation...time must be a flat circle...
;-)
He worked for JP Morgan... :p
He's really not dead — as long as we remember him...
Obama having a "meanage a trois". He must like getting his big ears double biatch slapped.
Love to see Russia/China build some big bases in Greece and bail them out.
Ditto. This might actually get the western oligarchs to "rethink" their position on a number of things...
asking too much when lack logic and reason
"And then, Qu's slap in the face of Obama: "The United States is unwilling to see its presence in any part of the world being weakened, but the fact is its resources are limited, and it will be to some extent hard work to sustain its influence in external affairs."
That isn't a slap in Obama's face, it's a clear warning to the Western .001%, for whom Obama works.
My question is, where does China stand on Syria and Iran? I know Russia and China have defensive pacts with Iran, but where does Syria fit into all this? Does China do extensive business with Syria, or is it just one lonely Russian outpost set to be blown up? Or is this in the next public announcement?
They already have Iran's back. Now, just cover Turkey's 6:00 and close the Black Sea and then waltz into Mariupol and Odessa. Fuck the EU.
Syria is now not really required, events have moved along.
Not even sure why the US is still pursuing Syria, now.Probably big govt. momentum, and water
for israel, which is far more important than the gas pipeline.Syria has to go to get to S.Lebanon..
Iran is supposed to become a full SCO member at the next meet.
Russia just signed port agreement with Cyprus,even better than Tartus.
Turkey is straddling both camps.Egypt is wavering.
Uncle Scam is losing it.
Forgot about the water. Thanks.
But if/when Assad falls, Syria becomes another failed state and nothing gets built. At this point, wouldnt ISIS become the defacto power in Syria then anyway?
Check out the UN Security Council position of China and Russia v/v the US when in doubt. The rotating members can always be bought, bribed, threatened!
Miss Barrie would not know hard work if it poked him in the ass.
The US is going to blow its foot off, big time (and entirely deliberately) in Syria and Iraq. They will attack Assad via proxy (as they have been, but more blatantly), and also directly, while pretending its the 'rebels', rather than US spec-ops calling in the B1 strikes, then Hezbollah and Iran, who are both in Iraq, will go after Western forces in retaliation whilst also conflagrating with ISIS and the other FSA, er, 'rebels', ... oh, and the reformed terrorist Kurds too ... as necessary.
Thus Washington (and who controls that?) is now trapping all of the now engaged Western allies in the ME, into an evolutionary escalation of the war on ISIL, into a war with Putin backed Assad, and thus will begin the spiral direct conflict with Iran, in Iraq, then within Iran itself.
Consequently, in Hormuz as well, which will inescapably bring in China, India and Japan too.
Iran can see this coming. So can China. So can Russia. And definitely so can Assad and allied groups like Hezbollah.
And who's interests does all of that serve and NET benefit? Just a wild guess?
And let's not forget the Sinai and Libya destabilization and Egyptian ructions as well ... you know ... like corn ... for texture.
And then there's this:
'Draft Chinese law paves way for counter-terror operations abroad'"China is close to approving a law that will create a legal framework for sending troops abroad on counter-terrorism missions, as Beijing seeks to address the vulnerability of the country's growing global commercial and diplomatic interests.
Experts said Article 76 of the draft anti-terrorism law would allay concerns among the military elite about the lack of a formal mechanism for carrying out such operations, as well as mark a shift in foreign policy thinking and military doctrine."
http://news.yahoo.com/draft-chinese-law-paves-way-counter-terror-operati...
PLA on the move. Any Chinese business interests in Ukraine?
Yes, and they have been ripped off by the local oligarchs on grain land etc.
Maybe as you say the PLA-Triad division can show the Ukies what happens when you cross a Chinaman.
Remenber the film Black Rain?
China won't be making any threats. The USA is still its best customer.
No threats. Hah ha ha haha ha ha ha ha
"Qu said Washington's involvement in Ukraine could "become a distraction in its foreign policy".
The US is China's biggest customer. Means that China makes all the shit we want and need. They cut the spigot, there's nothing left on any shelves.
Challenge: Try living without buying anything "Made in China" for a month.
Hah!
Gotcha.
Who gives a shit what the Chinese do or don't send us.
Just ask the iPhone buyers who line up to buy items made in China when Apple changes the suffix number on any model!
Exactly - shit you do not need
"Who gives a shit what the Chinese do or don't send us."
When you are that stupid it must be painful.
How much Chinese manufactured shit that comes to America that we really do not need - that is the point.
You have a point, but its somewhat irrelevant. Forget that its a bunch of junk we can all live without, imagine WM/TGT etc going out of business because they have nothing to sell?
One of Peter Schiffs main ponts about China always was that they are producing a bunch of crap for us that doesnt benefit them much and if they switched to manufacturing stuff for themselves they would be much better off.