China Just Sided With Russia Over The Ukraine Conflict

Tyler Durden's picture

When it comes to the Ukraine proxy war, which started in earnest just about one year ago with the violent coup that overthrew then president Yanukovich and replaced him with a local pro-US oligarch, there has been no ambiguity who the key actors were: on the left, we had the west, personified by the US, the European Union, and NATO in general; while on the right we had Russia. In fact, if there was any confusion, it was about the role of that other "elephant in the room" - China.

To be sure, a question few asked throughout the Ukraine civil war is just whose side is China leaning toward. After all the precarious balance of power between NATO and Russia had resulted in a stalemate in which neither side has an obvious advantage (even as the Ukraine economy died, and its currency hyperinflated, waiting for a clear winner), and the explicit or implicit support of China to either camp would make all the difference in the world, not to mention the world's most formidable axis.

Today we finally got the answer, and the winner is... this guy:

Xinhua reported that late on Thursday Qu Xing, China's ambassador to Belgium, was quoted as blaming competition between Russia and the West for the Ukraine crisis, urging Western powers to "abandon the zero-sum mentality" with Russia.

Cited by Reuters, Xing said that Western powers should take into consideration Russia's legitimate security concerns over Ukraine.

Reuters' assessment of Xing speech: "an unusually frank and open display of support for Moscow's position in the crisis."

At least it is not a warning to the US to back off or else. Yet.

Speaking in very clear and explicit language, something diplomats are not used to doing, the Chinese ambassador said the "nature and root cause" of the crisis was the "game" between Russia and Western powers, including the United States and the European Union.

He said external intervention by different powers accelerated the crisis and warned that Moscow would feel it was being treated unfairly if the West did not change its approach.

 

"The West should abandon the zero-sum mentality, and take the real security concerns of Russia into consideration," Qu was quoted as saying.

 

His comments were an unusually public show of understanding from China for the Russian position. China and Russia see eye-to-eye on many international diplomatic issues but Beijing has generally not been so willing to back Russia over Ukraine.

As noted above, China has long been very cautious not to be drawn into the struggle between Russia and the West over Ukraine's future, not wanting to alienate a key ally. And yet, something changed overnight, with this very clear language, warning some could say, that China will no longer tolerate Pax Americana, and even the mere assumption of a unipolar western world, let alone the reality.

Qu's comments take place just as talks between the United States and its European allies over harsher sanctions against Moscow.

On Monday, Russian Foreign Minister Sergei Lavrov accused Western powers of trying to dominate and impose their ideology on the rest of world. The United States and European delegations slammed Moscow for supporting rebels in eastern Ukraine.

 

Qu said Washington's involvement in Ukraine could "become a distraction in its foreign policy".

And then, Qu's slap in the face of Obama: "The United States is unwilling to see its presence in any part of the world being weakened, but the fact is its resources are limited, and it will be to some extent hard work to sustain its influence in external affairs."

Especially if and when China decides to send a few peacekeepers of its own into Ukraine. You know - just to make sure US influence in external affairs isn't "sustained" too much.

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knukles's picture

THat's nuffin'.  Nikkid strangers running from Prince Phillips when he was caught with the Queen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQTBepU7D0U

Now, back to or regularly scheduled cluster-fuck.
Whaddja'll expect?  The Chinese to be our buds when all we do is piss on 'em about MSG?

PS  Just remember, no man is a Sprtatly Island.  It take a whole village or two.  Or three.... But what does it matter, anyhow, what?

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Stuck on Zero's picture

In return for which Russia supports China taking over Taiwan and Tibet!

Manthong's picture

In this case, it takes a village idiot.

And an idiot just expanded his authority.

But the muslim/totalitarian-in-chief should retire to the links to think this one through.

It’s not the same as stealing a nation from somnambulant sheep.

ParkAveFlasher's picture

The article is wrong.  The "winner" is COMMON SENSE.

0b1knob's picture

Putin is shorter than the Chinese man.   How lame.

There was some other short guy who tried to conquer the world to make up for his insecurity over his height.   Was Putin by any chance once a corporal too?

sleigher's picture

Nah...   You didn't know the tallest Chinese man is automatically elected leader?

Divided States of America's picture

I just came back from China, hence my lack of posts here recently....now I understand fully why like Russia, China thinks alike.

Most Chinese are simple, they work a ton harder than the people in Europe and the West BUT they make peanuts in terms of salary. However, they prefer to live a simple life and enjoy themselves. Not much rules and restrictions....look at the traffic regulations or the stuff you can bring into and out of the country....its a ton better than getting a speeding ticket for going 20mph or getting in trouble for bringing an orange on an airplane over here.

I also know why China wants to restrict the internet and media, especially from the west because it only corrupts the mind and deceives people. Hence China banned Facebook and JOOgle because they know how these Jew wish owned sites instill propaganda and causes uprising.

Google HK is not banned (though I think it maybe now, not sure) but thats why HK is used by the US/UK as a ploy to disrupt China every chance it gets.

I also went to the temple during Chinese New Year...there are swastika signs all over the buddha's body...no wonder China, much like Russia, will be targeted by the West (guided by the Zionist regime)

I spoke with my gf's relatives and they all love Putin...Its going to be hard to stop China and Russia together...and the West knows it.

Four chan's picture

i always thought these two communist dictatorships were of like minds, does this surprise anyone?

Element's picture

Beijing can't then subsequently expect the West to support Chinese territorial integrity, nor any of its regional ambitions, nor their current activities of sly island building and military base construction and thus defacto territory annexing outside of international law, within the >SOUTHERN< South China Sea, given that Beijing's diplomats officially don't even support the basic international standards and concepts of the territorial integrity and sovereignty of Ukraine and its independence from armed attack or interference, and therefore they don't support those principles, in general, elsewhere either.

SilvertonguedAngel's picture

It is as obvious to Beijing as it is to Moscow that the western zionazicons won't stop until they control everything and every one, so these two ancient peoples make obvious allies against USrahell naked aggression.

Element's picture

Tell it to Vietnam, Singapore, Malaysia, Philippines and Indonesia. Then tell it to most of Eastern Europe. I don't think they're going to see it that way. Just an observation.

 

petkovplamen's picture

How about we ask ALL of Central and South America how they feel about AMerica meddling into their affairs all during the 1980s? Ask Nicagarua, Bolivia, Venetzuela, Cuba, etc, etc ,etc how they feel about America and maybe just maybe your eyes will be one and you will learn something. But who knows, i dont think you will.

Element's picture

Your on-going confusion and ranting is because you're an ignorant twisted slavic fuck who's not got the slightest inkling of a conception of what non-partisan might possibly be.

So please consider yourself pre-dismissed, as you are ... thanks.

angel_of_joy's picture

What a truly moronic discourse. Have a red and fuck-off !

Element's picture

gee, lemme guess, you're an ignorant twisted slavic fuck too?

corsair's picture

I think I'm starting to get an inkling of a conception of what non-partisan might possibly be :))

Have a red AND a blue and fuck-off !

Element's picture

Oh look! Three putin dick-sucking trolls in a row!! You can get together and have a sleep-over!

Four chan's picture

lots o butt hurt chinese and russian down voters. lol

Element's picture

It makes them happy, and that's important too.

corsair's picture

I don't know about "happy"...but it is amusing. :)

corsair's picture

Nah. I prefer sticking it to a bigot. :)

The.Harmless.Jew's picture

 

 

So please consider yourself pre-dismissed, as you are ... thanks.

 

 


Hey, Element,  without the please, consider yourself a Zionist-Bankster Talmudist-Paedophilic supporter.  No Thanks!   We don't want bankster-paedos here (i.e. your kind).
Element's picture

if you say so ... harmless jew ... lol

Gavrikon's picture

How's the weather in Tel Aviv, fuckwad?

The.Harmless.Jew's picture

 

 

 Just an observation.

 

An observation seen through the eyes of a Zionist-Bankster apologist. 

 


corsair's picture

 Beijing can't then subsequently expect the West to support Chinese territorial integrity, nor any of its regional ambitions

Are you trying to be funny or sumfing?

Of course Beijing doesn't expect the West to support Chinese territorial integrity. That is why it's teaming up with Russia.

Max Steel's picture

HE IS A NARCISSTIC NATO-SALIVATING  SPINELESS DOUCHEBAG . IGNORE HIM 

Element's picture

Dude, your keyboard is having issues with the drooling, it's now stuck on all caps. Get a bib.  :D

Max Steel's picture

THEY ARE COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP SAME OLD RHETORIC DEPLOYED BY CORRUPT SOCIALIST OLIGARCHY TROLLS. 

winchester's picture

hey big dick... what party is the monkey you elected twice already...?

strannick's picture

"COMMUNIST DICTATORSHIP SAME OLD RHETORIC DEPLOYED BY CORRUPT SOCIALIST OLIGARCHY TROLLS"

youre referring to Obama and Brussels, yes?

Max Steel's picture

YES STRANNICK . PEOPLE HERE HAVE SOME SERIOUS COMPREHENDING ISSUES LOL 

Icelandicsaga...............................................'s picture

You have NO clue . .no fucking clue .. stuck in stupid ... China is hardly communist ... more autocratic than anything with Chinese style economics.. fascism meets mercenatlism .. and Russia .. perhaps an oligarchy but at least 'Russian leaders put heir COUNTRY first unlike the lot that runs the WEST . or RUINS the West .... the fascistic 'WEST

Anusocracy's picture

Besides that, all governments considered as entities are dictatorial. It is a monopoly of force.

Try to set a private enterprise to adjudicate government laws or actions.

Escrava Isaura's picture

 

 

Ouch! U.S. finished by 2025.

Rostislav Ishchenko, President of the Center for system analysis and forecasting in Russia.

 

Dear Mr. Ishchenko, 2025 will be too late.

I would recommend you to speed up your forecasting. Wonder why?

 

China will have to shift from an export model, thus US retails will go bankrupted.

 

http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=ru&u=http://actualcomment.ru/chego-khochet-putin.html&prev=search

 

LawsofPhysics's picture

I have a similar take as we have done business in China for a long time.  What does not makes sense is why American foreign policy blatantly appears to drive China and Russia together.  Something stinks here as China has had keys to our treasury and commerce since the 70's.  They are loyal as well and own tremendous assets in America...

connect some dots for me.

cossack55's picture

Good question.

 

It was wonderful for the MICs during the Cold War.  The Soviets were fantastic foes. Very dependable and not too crazy.  Always required massive defense spending to "keep up with the Joneskis".  Then Reagan screwed it all up.  The USSA has had to invent enemies for the past 25 years.  The whole Muslim terrorist thingy is running out of steam.  Until ISIS posts videos of their fighters clubbing baby seals, drowning cats and harpooning whales, its kinda...meh.  However, bring back the Axis of Evil Plus and the MICs will be in hog heaven for the next 50 years. 

 

Just my thoughts.

disabledvet's picture

I'll take the "Evil Empire" over the "Axis of Evil" any day.

Too bad Oklahoma only made one Crusader Artillery piece actually. "Wrap up the whole war in a nice little bow."

Instead all we have are Palladins.

Any who...China does appear willing to sign up for a war with Turkey no doubt.

That won't go over very well in Western Europe in my view.

The Germans will of course continue to say Nein.

Whole thing is a mess...like the US economy should be a lot worse.

"Just give it a few days" I guess.

Element's picture

Turkey just got through announcing that it's refusing to integrate its new national missile defense system with NATO, including the NATO missiles currently deployed in Turkey. No one is really saying much about this yet but the defeat of the Turkish secularists, especially in the military, is done. Turkey is going native ... and the natives are not too keen on NATO. At some point soon the West is going to have to stop giving defense tech to Turkey, because it should be clear by now that Erdogan will shaft NATO.

Turkey Won't Link Air Defense System to NATO - February 19, 2015

Anusocracy's picture

Now that the world has reached Peak America, more and more countries will start shopping around.

Element's picture

The problem is all of the traders are selling some pretty shitty goods. Maybe another case for the least dirty shirt.

KingGenius's picture

By traders I assume you mean stock traders. The problem is that the "traders" aren't doing any real work and companies making billions of dollars are creating massive wealth, but the companies aren't paying taxes through offshore subsidies. Some 20 billion dollar profits are not paying any tax at all. These profits are not lowering their price for the goods they sell, they aren't going to the wages if the small amount of employees they actually do employ in this country, they are going to one fucking thing: their own stock.

The profits are creating wealth in a small amount of hands, they aren't creating jobs. The people who need jobs who are massively underemployed. The people who can work albeit through their underemployed status have to pick up the tax slack for these wars and basic services.

So it is not a problem of "traders selling shitty goods". Traders sell little pieces of paper in speculation. People with jobs are caught up in this fiasco under 401k's. By the time they do get some money out of it (having that it doesn't collapse which it will) when they are old and need the money for medical bills, the tax of inflation will kick their ass and they would have put aside a portion of working their entire lives not for a better standard of living, but to keep thier head above water-and this is best case scenario.

If companies want to operate here, profites need to go into investing into the company and I do not mean doing so by stocks. I mean maybe buy detroit factories and actually put some people back to work.

Element's picture

You would be entirely wrong in assuming I meant that.

Clearly you didn't even read the preceding conversation before posting your aimless junk.

But I'm happy to elaborate.

I was referring to countries, that are now geopolitically beginning to 'shop-around' (read the prior two comments above yours). The 'shops' are traders, their product is an alternate geopolitical alignment, and they are all selling dodgy geopolitical options. So the least dirty shirt is what the 'shopper' country will have to choose, the option that compromises their national interests the least, and produces the least worse downside. Erdogan seems to think it can do better via stepping away from western and NATO alignment.

I would say he's very wrong about that, but Erdogan and his party in Govt are Muslims and are appealing to a religious vote and have an anti-secular bent that was warned about well before they came to power. The Turkish military warned that Erdogan and his party would try to eliminate the secular military and secular society, and that's exactly what they have been doing.  And replace it with a more or less mildly anti-western leaning. And given western behavior since GW1, it's not hard to see why that's working.

However, if the point of geopolitical choice and state policy is the Turkish state's physical security, and its survival and defense, then no, Erdogan will not be serving Turkey's people's position and security better via stepping back from Europe, and away from NATO integration.

But if Turkey's people feel they will have a better country and conscience via appeals to greater national 'non-aligned' independence in military, foreign affairs and state policy, and the resulting pro and con vulnerabilities and deficiencies and downgraded relations that will bring, then good luck to them.

I would just say that the West should now be considering very closely the impacts of Erdogan doing just that, because Turkey currently is receiving some of the most advanced networked-warfare systems so far developed and given the things they have been both saying, and doing lately, I would not give Turkey any more of it from here. The resulting vulnerabilities that already exist in western defense networks and comms systems is enormous, and will need to be covered off, if Ergogan's anti-secular bent and drift away from NATO continues. And in practice, it will.

Frankly I think NATO is both recently and currently much too lacking in discretion, with regard to all sorts of new advanced systems being sold into the ME, by money-hungry arms manufacturers with very little regard for the potential consequences and massive vulnerabilities this will bring. Not to mention the massive waste and costs to taxpayers of mitigating the pending damage.

lakecity55's picture

Royterz News:

 

            Turkey To Join the SCO
Russia offers Free Membership in the EEU

Ondoron's picture

The German population - not the government with IM Erika and at the top IM Larve - would align with Russia immediately. I am sure things will develop that way anyways. Merkel is just a "mad cow" - at least according to Jim Willie. And I agree totally!

Germany does not want to fight any war again - particularly not against Russia. Germans still know how destroyed cities look like. The stance of the US-administration that Germany would "provide security" in Europe is just ridiculous. 

Element's picture

 

 

Merkel is just a "mad cow" - at least according to Jim Willie. And I agree totally!

 

Frankly, Jim Willie is a fucking worthless retard who's constantly trying to concoct a new and more elaborate fanciful fairytale to tell to gullible idiots, so he can hook and stampede them into buying gold.

Other than that he's great! Tells a great yarn!

But no, Merkel is in firm control in Germany, for now, and she's not going to waver an inch and she's already made that completely clear, and all the crap coming out of the mouth of clowns like Willie is contrived gobshite that was cynically written and mouthed for fools to suck up and buy into.

Why?

Because it  W O R K S

It sells gold! ... plus who's stopping him? ... so why not?

And thus it is.

But don't make the mistake of actually believing him.

KingGenius's picture

Element is probably a rich boy who was handed everything in life jobs, money, "opportunity" from taking advantage of others...., or just paid shill. So he actually thinks what the MSM tells him. Why don't you go eat some "freedom fries" or other Monsanto infected products and get even more obese shithead motherfucker. I think you'd be more comfortable watching FOX news than here, this site is for realists and your shit don't fly.

Bumbu Sauce's picture

Want to know how I know you ar ea mouthbreathing simpleton science denying flat earther?

You actually stated this:

Why don't you go eat some "freedom fries" or other Monsanto infected products and get even more obese shithead motherfucker.

Holy fuck you are retarded.