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More Giant Craters Appear In Siberia, Scientists Nervous To Investigate
In the middle of last summer came news of a bizarre occurrence no one could explain. Seemingly out of nowhere, a massive crater appeared in one of the planet's most inhospitable lands. Early estimates said the crater, nestled in a land called "the ends of the Earth" where temperatures can sink far below zero, yawned nearly 30 metres in diameter.
One of the craters in Siberia's so-called "ends of the earth"
The saga deepened. The Siberian crater wasn't alone. There were two more, ratcheting up the tension in a drama that hit its climax as a probable explanation surfaced. Climate change had thawed the permafrost, which had caused methane trapped inside the icy ground to explode. "Gas pressure increased until it was high enough to push away the overlaying layers in a powerful injection, forming the crater," one German scientist said at the time.
Video of the craters...
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Now, however, as The Sydney Morning herald reports, researchers fear there are more craters than anyone knew — and the repercussions could be huge...
Russian scientists have now spotted a total of seven craters, five of which are in the Yamal Peninsula. Two of those holes have since turned into lakes. And one giant crater is rimmed by a ring of at least 20 mini-craters, the Siberian Times reported. Dozens more Siberian craters are likely still out there, said Moscow scientist Vasily Bogoyavlensky of the Oil and Gas Research Institute, calling for an "urgent" investigation.
He fears that if temperatures continue to rise — and they were five degrees higher than average in 2012 and 2013 — more craters will emerge in an area awash in gas fields vital to the national economy. "It is important not to scare people, but to understand that it is a very serious problem and we must research this," he told the Siberian Times. "We must research this phenomenon urgently, to prevent possible disasters."
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These objects need to be studied, but it is rather dangerous for the researchers," Bogoyavlensky told the Siberian Times. "We know that there can occur a series of gas emissions over an extended period of time, but we do not know exactly when they might happen. ... It is very risky, because no one can guarantee there would not be new emissions."
Making matters worse, the gas is extremely flammable. One of the methane bursts has already caught fire. Nearby residents in a town called Antipayuta say they recently saw a bright flash in the distance. "Probably the gas ignited," Bogoyavlensky said. "This shows us that such [an] explosion could be rather dangerous and destructive. Years of experience has shown that gas emissions can cause serious damage to drilling rigs, oil and gas fields and offshore pipelines."
When the news first broke last year, social media users pointed to everything from a meteorite to a stray missile to aliens to the Bermuda Triangle as possible causes. But the most plausible explanation seemed to be the explosive release of melting methane hydrate—an ice-like material frozen in the Arctic ground—thanks to global warming. But, as National Geographic reports, other theories are coming to light...
Now, scientists are arguing that the methane theory is unlikely, based on new satellite surveys released by Russian researchers that found dozens of new craters in Siberia.
"The jury is still out" on the cause of Siberia's craters, says Carolyn Ruppel, chief of the U.S. Geological Survey's Gas Hydrates Project. But she and other scientists say the new satellite mapping suggests another explanation that has to do with the rapid melting of ice cores called pingos.
A pingo is a plug of ice that forms near the surface over time and has a small mound or hill on top.
When an ice plug melts rapidly—as many have been, thanks to unseasonably warm temperatures in Siberia over the past year—it can cause part of the ground to collapse, forming a crater. But that process alone isn't enough to explain the ejected rocks that have been found around the rim of the craters, which suggest some sort of explosion.
Instead, Ruppel theorizes that the craters were formed by a sudden release of natural gas that had been stored in the permafrost but was kept under pressure by the weight of the pingo.
This theory is bolstered by the Russian satellite data, which show pingos—they appear as small mounds—in the exact positions where the craters later formed.
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So in conclusion - "No one knows what is happening in these craters at the moment."
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Only with your mom last night.
How are you finding your fight club experience?
The 'vacuum' of space is not a perfect vacuum but it's closer than what is acheivable on earth.
It's about 10,000 times less dense than what's inside a terrestrial high vacuum chamber.
If a 'perfect' vacuum could be produced it still wouldn't be truly empty. Virtual particles are continually popping into existence then disappearing - evidence being the Casimir effect.
Neutrinos are pretty much a given, as they can travel through several million miles of lead.
well shit --there goes the dumb blonde's head is a vacuum thing--- I'm constantly having to re-think my truths---
L o L !
I wonder if the five degrees warmer is determined using NASA seasonally adjusted seasonal data or did they actually use a thermometer. I'll bet it wasn't the later. Thermometers break from the cold in that region of the world.
Doubt that a mecury thermometer would break.
there are few tools as fragile as glass tube-filled mercury thermometers. I have alcohol-filled thermometers with hard plastic covers and some mesh / holes near the reservoir and a slot for viewing the numbers. That was work-around for mercury thermometers which you would never let get near a film processor (contamination). If thermos get real hot, they blow their top, if real cold, they're brittle and crack open when tapped ever so gently.
Look at the new technology to take temperatures: thermometers are like whale harpoons: obsolete
Strange that the walls are so perfectly vertical.
There's only one possibility.
He makes your hair look rite purty, Skate;)
Eternal bad hair day, i.e. The Curse of Tsoukalos.
I'm leaning towards sandworms.
Naw, I think it's snowworms.
Don't chemo me bro."
Thank goodness my" family line" has longivity."
This is one of those topics that makes me fear that ZHers are just as fucking retarded as my blandly liberal friends. They don't believe in the possibility of unsustainable economics; ZHers don't believe in the possibility of running out of places to externalize costs that don't result in serious ecosystem blowback.
I view a downvote without a rebuttal as a confirmation of my point, FYI
You need to write something worthy of rebuttal first.
I live on the Monterey Bay, and no so many years ago fishermen fished human-edible fish into extinction near where I live. How stupid actually is that? The enviornment - for free! - produces millions of tons of goods for human beings every year. Think of how expensive it would be to raise fish without the whole system of the ocean available to do much of the work for human beings. The same applies to any enviornmental system. It will produce a lot for free, just ripe for walking over and picking. But that doesn't mean you can't industrialize your way into destroying the very fabric of the enviornment that sustains you.
Gues what, dumkoffs? Acid rain is real. Ocean acidification is real. You can eat tuna but you can't eat jellyfish. If you keep fucking with things and pretending that CO2 just... disappears into space, or whatever, instead of going somewhere and doing something, then I'm not sure how to appeal to you. It's magical thinking., and not in a good way.
But... the raising CO2 levels, which to a large part get dissolved into the oceans, make the water (slightly) more alkaline?
....carbonic acid, dude.
You mean all that solid limestone in equilibrium with the bicarbonate and carbonate in the seawater is gone? That should merit a story.
Tell me a story that explains how a pH that was stable at 8.2 for millions of years has become 8.1 (30% more acidic on a log scale) in a few hundred years.
I cannot because the pH of the Oceans was not stable for Millions of Years...FlakFRAU. Your writing style and dishonesty exposes you...ONCE AGAIN.
Even the Antarctic Ice will show dynamic atmospheric CO2 levels over eons. Since atmospheric CO2 was dynamic and since atmospheric CO2 is responsible for levels of Oceanic Carbonic Acid, then just how can Ocean Acidity be stable in a dynamic atmosphere?
Besides if you postulate and have a hypothesis that can be validated or invalidated it is up to you to demonstrate the validity. Someone else's failure to come up with another hypothesis does not validate your own.
A Hypothesis without validated data is mere speculation and is SHIT. That is NOT Science.
Physical Data is what will demonstrate whether or not your hypothesis is valid. So far the Physical Data demonstrates a short term instability. Even in the 1970s the scare from climatologits was an oncoming Ice Age. Climatology as a science LACKS DATA and the skill of the scientists to come up with testable and verifiable modeling is seriously LACKING.
Make a CUNT of yourself and deny it FlakFRAU.
I will be a BANE until you become HONEST, CUNT.
Guess again, slick. This is the only account I've used here since Robotard was making us all laugh back in the day, but I do remember Flak.
What a sophisticate!!!
That is why you are not taken seriously, cunt.
Do you know what speech pattern recognition is?
Changing a name and running duplicate accounts is easy. Hell American Patriot is now writing as asophocles.
Changing an engrained writing style is much, much more demanding.
Being dishonest just impeaches your entire Algorean agenda.
Tall Tom, do you have software that makes that "speech pattern recognition"? I find it very curious that you accuse GMadScientist of being FlakMeister. Personally, I find they have a completely different way of approaching themes
bit anyway, this is way more interesting, for me: "That is why you are not taken seriously, cunt."
hmm... do you have a list of "people that are taken seriously on ZH"? are you on it? am I on it? is the new batch of Russian media followers and believers on it? or some of the "crazies" on it?
you are barking a bit like a sheperd dog, here. explain
Ghordo - you were making an interesting case until you got to this.
is the new batch of Russian media followers and believers on it?
Don't lower yourself to the adhominem style waste of time. What's your beef with RT? Make your case. I mean come on Ghordo, When did you stop beating your wife?
See how easy that is? But what did I accomplish? Nothing. That's right, Nothing. See you around.
why? I see it as a fact that Russian media channels see certain things differently, and this is reflected on certain posters
ad-hom allergy can go too far, in my book
Most here have a list of people who they have written off, Ghordius.
I write off psychopaths and liars. I know that I am not going to change them nor do they care to be changed.
And SHE is FlakFRAU as much as asophlecles is American Patriot.
And how I know about her sex...When Colonel Klink called her every name in the book...the only one she took offense to was "cunt".
That was a major "tell".
Ever played live Poker?
Previously as a teacher I learned to detect plagarism...cheating....
The styles are the same. As Flak, in her arrogance, used to ask poofs of impossibles, in a vain attempt to set up the unwary who would fall into her Strawman Trap, GMadScientist also does. It is actually a seldom used technique...a signature of sorts.
You may understand is that I read every word and then attempt to discern the mindset of the person posting. I place myself in THEIR shoes. I believe that you can think that deep. (While I may disagree with a lot that you write I believe that you are at least real.)
FlakFRAU on the otherhand cannot even be honest about the fact that she is a woman. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being a woman. I thank God that women are around..to...make...my...life...in...into...into...yeah, okay..into Heaven.
But if she cannot be honest about that small attribute, which is not worthy of shame in the very least, I just cannot take her seriously when it concerns matters of importance.
If a person lies about small shit then you can be assured that the person will lie about large shit, about shit that actually matters. And if you just cannot trust them then what good are they?
All that I am asking for is honesty, Ghordius. For some that is asking far too much.
thanks for a very comprehensive answer
Why would I ever want to be taken seriously by a mental defective who can't admit when he's misidentified someone?
And what makes you think I agree with Al Gore's agenda? I've stated several times that there's no point in carbon trading or carbon taxes anymore. So you fail again (a natural skill of yours perhaps?).
You are not that good at deception, dear.
Your response, "Guess again." was the biggest "tell" that you made.
You're deceiving yourself plenty enough for the both of us and I will admit that I'm finding that quite amusing.
Funny, I didn't realize we had instruments measuring pH millions of years ago. Oh, you mean we can measure it by proxy? All proxy measurements have inherent errors.
pH swings much more than that on a daily basis in many parts of the ocean.
Perhaps you can explain to me how corals evolved when the atmosphere contained 10,000ppm of CO2? Wouldn't all that nasty acid eat away at their fragile skeletons?
Of all the junk science out there, and I've studied most of it, ocean acidification is the second worst offender.
ocean acidification is the one theory that scares me most, to be frank, and so the one that I'm least keen to see yet as debunked. which one is the first offender?
#1 is climate change in his book...
The number one cause of the Earth's temperature is the Sun.
There have been studies that show the Earth's (and other planet's as well) temperature is correlated to sun spot activity. The more sun spots the cooler the temperature.
The argument of a simpleton!
You are ignoring the atmosphere completely.
Climate change, whatever the cause, will impact on humanity somehow (assuming the survival of humanity)
Not preparing for it or trying to understand it would be just plain stupid.
Governments are very creative in coming up with ways of stealing from people. GW is too good an opportunity to pass up. Never let a good crisis go to waste, and all that.
Humans have fucked up the land, the rivers and the seas. I have to wonder how the air could have avoided a similar fate.
To quote Mr. Carlin (not neccessarily verbatim) - the planet will be fine, it's humans that are fucked.
The thermal blanket of Methane and Carbon Dioxide Gas which traps heat also insulates us from receiving heat from the Sun in like measure.
It is Zero Sum.
You will kmow that you have arrived at a decent model when it is simple and elegant as well as universally descriptive.
You think about how to convince me how Radiant Energy can penetrate the Greenhouse Gas inbound and somehow becomes opaque when the Energy is radiated frpm Terra.
Perhaps it has nothing to do with Greenhouse Gases. Perhaps there is much greater Geological activity in the core and the mantle of the Earth. Is that a possibility?
There is actually Empirical Evidence which supports this hypothesis as the number of Earthquakes and vulcanism have been increasing recently.
Do you think that there is a possibility that it might have something to do with it?
You think that you think BUT YOU FAIL TO CONSIDER ALL POSSIBILITIES and YOUR AGENDA AND INDOCTRINAYION BLINDS YOU TO A PROBABLE CAUSE FOR THE PHENOMENA.
You and your God Damned ARROGANCE!!!
IR is absorbed in BOTH directions, but there's a lot more IR coming from Earth than from the Sun (which spikes in the visible range and UV).
You'd be onto something, if humans didn't make 100X the CO2 that volcanic activity does.
As for "arrogance", that's amusing coming from the guy that believes he's the fucking ZH hall monitor.
You miss the fucking point. What is new?
There is greater ACTIVITY in the Mantle and/or Core. This is indicative of Potential Being transformed into Kinetic Energy....HEAT.
Increased frequencies of Vulcanism and Plate Tectonics are indicative of the increased Geothermal activity.
As to the causation of the increased activity in the Mantle and the core, as to the TEMPERATURE Rise beneathy the Lithosphere, I have not any verifiable or validatable hypothesis.
Now I can speculate but that is NOT SCIENCE.
(Well...for Humor's sake...The Earth is infected with a dose of Homo Sapienitis. Perhaps it is running a fever to rid itself of the infection?)
But the EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE, the increase in number of Earthquakes and Vulcanism, is undeniable. As Earthquakes and Vulcanism are dueto ENERGY...HEAT... this is indicative that the temperature of the Core and Mantle is INCREASING.
Greenhouse Gases have little to do with increased Global Temperatures...Geothermal activity, and the inferred increase in Core/Mantle Temperatures, have everything to do with it. Of that we have absolutely no control.
But you are so God Damned BLINDED by "talking your book", promoting your bullshit Greenhouse Gas nonsense, that you ignore the OBVIOUS which is staring you in the face.
CUNT.
You won't accept the answer anyway...
www.skepticalscience.com
Learn something...
Elements differ because of neutron count.
Elements become isotopes, when the neutron count decays. Not unlike options.
"Elements become isotopes, when the neutron count decays."
Wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_decay
Every element has electrons and protons. Neutrons are stabilizers, in the proton core. You're a clown.
Extra neutrons define isotopes.
Uranium becomes "plutionium" because of neutron exchange.
Currency and nuclear trading are synonymous
I'm toast
I responded to what you said: "when the neutron count DECAYS."
When a neutron DECAYS..... it changes the atomic NUMBER not the isotope.
Choose your words more carefully next time, fool.
Just to be clear, neutron EMISSION is not the same as Neutron Decay.
Words mean things, at least they used to.
makes it aciic. CO2 Lewy body acid.
It's called carbonic acid and while the oceans are a carbon sink, you've left 40% of your 29Gt/yr behind when they're done (whoops!).
Add to this that the efficiency of the oceans as a carbon sink is not constant and has been decreasing over time.
Tick tock dipshits.
The earth will be just fine.
Humans, not so much.
Shit your own bed and you will get covered in crap.Hubris.
Carlin had a great sketch about it
Dude. I'm right by you (small village) and even the bozos at the Monterey Bay Aquarium and MBARI have given up on the man made overrfishing meme. There are cycles to life, animals and these past several years there's been humongoloid hauls of Monterey Bay sardines caught. Just go down to the commercial pier in MRY before dawn on a fishing day and you'll see boats unloading TONS before dawn, iced, driven on 18 wheelers to Salinas for processing where they're then flown to China as a delicacy, amongst other places. They don't show up much in the US because they're the large heavily boned sardines. The US market favors the small Mediterranean types.
Same with squid... Calamari. Massive catches. Spend some time along 17 Mile Drive, like spend fullish days or be there more than once casually and you'll see some days, dozens of large trawlers out there and at night dozens of squid boats with the lights on to attract the little devils.
The bay was never fished out. It's cyclical.
The only thing still missing in the Bay is John Denver's fucking head.
Another thing about the lies promulgated by the Aquarium and MBARI. They give out a multipage gate-fold about sustainability of different seafoods. They've listed farmed shrimp as unsustainable. But ocean fresh as plentiful. Bullshit, ask the restauranteurs and fishermen. By their own admission, they're against farmed fish because it's cruel. Nothing else. More lies, falsehood, politically correct memes and group-think bullshit. And that's but one example. I have several good close buds at the Aquarium and they'll privately admit all such, but can't say it at work because the meme is too important to project. Hidden motives and disinformation.
nature provides, but i'm afraid you'll still need to purchase a license :-)
That takes government. No license needed to reproduce...unfortunately.
You know when you see large population spikes in nature, Knuks?
When a prey's predators have been taken out of the picture.
I like you.
JUxtaposting Death and all<
At one time, there were grizzly bears in California. (look at your state flag).
Their disappearance was not cyclical. They were hunted to extinction.
Likewise the plains buffalo.
On the question of overfishing, there are too many variables to make blanket statements one way or the other, but to not include man made effects in your research is to deny the obvious, i.e. that a new variable, previously not present, has entered the calculation.
http://www.dfo-mpo.gc.ca/science/Publications/article/2006/01-11-2006-en...
Let me say that again:
a new variable, previously not present, has entered the calculation.
That's us, and like it or not, we do have an effect. Whether it's minimal or not remains to be seen. My greatest concern is that the pseudo-science of "Climate Change (tm)" is creating an atmosphere of disbelief that will end in us missing an important variable that IS contributing, and that may even be pivotal.
Climate change aside, it may not matter what the temperature is outside if we can't produce enough food to feed everyone. That sort of collapse would not be linear and would have follow on effects that would make the Walking Dead scenario seem like a family trip to Disneyland.
I got Denver's head over my mantle Knucks. I should have let everyone know. Its right next to the singing bass and he sings "Take me home, country roads, everytime someone passes by !!!
The atmosphere is made of nearly 70% nitrogen so so so ho fuck it it's Putin's fault he has a death star.
quite right, czar.
there's a large cadre of sheeple on zh that think, we are awake! we believe the opposite of what the MSM says because alex jones told me so, or natural news, or some other shite blog. they engage in group-think just like the mainstream american sheeple that they rail against. they don't engage in rational thought, nor thoroughly investigate issues to determine the truth for themselves.
they're all like, look, maw, it's snowing outside, i guess that means climate change is a hoax. i knew that liberal al gore was lyin'!
as for myself, i won't weigh in one way or the other, and i will be the first to admit i haven't researched the issue enough to claim to know the facts. but i do know specious reasoning when i see it.
I was taught in the early sixties that a new ice age was coming, and without the now doctored figures,
we won't have any warning.
As that same teacher also forecast, the current coming wars in the MENA, would be anbout potable water,
not oil.I will stick with that.
I'm with you. There's a lot we humans just don't know. There's also a lot of money being thrown around on both sides of the issue to buy our viewpoints. Here's one example;
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/02/22/us/ties-to-corporate-cash-for-climate-...
yes i'm sure there's wrongdoing and dishonesty on both sides of the issue.
such dishonesty usually invalidates what that person is claiming, but that doesn't mean the other side is right, either.
Buutttt humans must cause harm! I feel it in my bones!
First off, you live off Monterey Bay, and that says a lot in itself.
An intellectual giant sir.
Dude !!! I eat Jellyfish all the time. They are delicious !!!
Thats because you are a thick cunt
Play Nice/
Awe, what the heck do I know?
I'm JUST some retarded rED nECK.
You don't think that sudden annihilation by unknown entities might throw a wrench into the balls to the wall Ar tic drilling the Russians are doing, now that they have a sometimes open Northwest Passage?
Straw man fallacy.
Pingo means penis in Spanish.
Pinga, as in dick.
In my case Pingone in your case pingita.
No shit, the first thing they blame is "climate change" because the results fit the agenda, never mind the facts (whatever they are).
I though good science doesn't jump to conclusions.
The 'science' that the universe meant for you to follow, yes - it favors refinement through iteration. The Church of Science jumps to the first profitable conclusion. Don't question the church brah, you'll be a heretic.
The Church of Science. A perfect description of what is has become.
The way is shut.
It was made by the High Priests of Science,
And the High Priests keep it, until the time comes.
The way is shut.
"The way is shut.
It was made by the High Priests of Science,
And the High Priests keep it, until the time comes.
The way is shut. "
This sounds like it was lifted from Franz Kafka's 'The Trial' without much alteration...
As with all things on planet earth, Science has been monetized.
If something is monetized, it's always fucked up.
The scientific method means that scientists don't claim to know anything for sure. Science is just the best answer humans have managed to come up with to explain something.
If you wish to be a scientist, you are constrained by what funding you can get. The problems mostly stem from those in control of the funding.
"The way is shut"
i think every now and then you get some hippies in the basement that didn't get the memo
'science', yes.
actual science, no.
someone who does research with a motive to get grant money or push a plitical agenda is not doing real science; they are cloaking propoganda in the supposed respectability of a search for truth.
someone who is doing real science, uses the scientific method, analyzes empirical data to determine the facts. there's nothing political about real science, and there are no hidden motives.
don't get the two confused.
No confusion - we say the same thing amigo. In my terminology, I preserve the word 'science' (perhaps out of respect) to mean what you hold as 'actual science' (not coopted by agenda), and your term of 'science' (coopted by agenda) is what I call the 'Church of Science'
"...analyzes empirical data to determine the facts..."
Who produces "empirical data", if not for (to paraphrase) "researchers with a profit motive"? Can you give me an example of what you consider empircal data on a particular subject you're familiar with?
while i appreciate your cynicism, there are indeed human beings alive today with an innate curiosity about the world around them, who want to know the truth about this world we live in.
yes i can give an example: i am looking at a thermometer. it is 50 deg F outside.
"there's nothing political about real science"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikolai_Kondratiev
not sure why you are giving a link to kondratiev wiki, or what you are suggesting.
if you're going to post a reply, don't be lazy, spell it out.
if you're suggesting that real science is always political, because someone might not like your findings, then you don't understand what science is.
science is about coming to an understanding of the truth.
whether to publish your findings or not, might be a political decision, but that has nothing whatsoever to do with the science itself.
Science has nothing to do with finding the truth. Science is just observation and testing. Truth is immutable.
your comment doesn't even address the point i was making, i.e., the decision of whether or not to publish results is not in itself science. you've gone off on a tangent to what was being discussed.
and if science were merely just observation and testing as you claim, then there would be no conclusions, no theories drawn from that data. it's just an empty, pointless set of data with no underlying connection between the data, so why bother?
truth might be immutable, but your perception of the truth is not.
All of these scientists are too stupid to know that climate and weather are synonyms, and the weather has always changed.
Unless GOOGLE is lying.....
https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GUEA_enUS629US629&q=climate+definition
Climate is to weather as traffic is to a car.
Who CARES what you call it? For some reason, there is enough melting of the permafrost to allow all that trapped methane to merge forcefully enough to leave these big fucking holes in the ground...
Let's figure out what those reasons may be, and then we can decide what to name it.
If all of this were melting permafrost then gold mining would in may areas find bazillion tons more than is being realized. Hmmmmmmm
Agenda Fit...worthy of trademarking.
Agenda Fit tm
Brought to you by the good folks at Koch Industries.
There have been holes in the ground and sink holes for the last million years. What started them? Who knows?
Yes, and where I live they can happen because of mine subsidence. So, it's nothing new...But these ones in the north are giving off large amounts of methane, witnesses have seen them flare as if they'd ignited.
There is a HUGE amount of methane trapped in the permafrost up there. If sinkholes up there are going to start exploding into flames, that's gonna suck for a lot of people.
Fucking exploding sinkholes now, great...I guess God got bored with the old hailstones and plagues of locusts shit..."Gonna get their attention THIS time!"
1.7 trillion tons of methane, by their best estimates (1700 Gt) of which 40-130 Gt will be released into the atmosphere by 2100.
No point trading carbon credits now motherfuckers.
Flak Reincarnation
Nope, but I did up-arrow his posts alot.
Me too. I love "Batshit crazy" peeps.
Well, when the permafrost starts to melt, this shit happens. It doesn't matter WHY you think this is happening, global warming or whatever, but the fact is that it IS happening. And the effects can be pretty catastrophic if it happens in more and more places. The gas coming out of those things is methane...So, we'd best look into it.
And if I was living in northern Canada, I might be a bit concerned. Just saying.
Nothing a little in situ oil extraction won't fix... oh, wait...
Yeah, climate change and all of the manipulated data to support it must be the fucking cause. Of course the solution is a climate change tax, payable to the U.S. Government......
Maybe they will find a stack of unused carbon credits down at the bottom of the hole...
Try going over to Newtok, Alaska and tell them the climate isn't canging.
I doubt you would get a very positive response.
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/1112847518/alaskan-town-succumb-coa...
You know it's possible to understand the science AND be opposed to Goldman's monetization schemes at the same time?
Kudos on your attempted excluded middle fallacy though.
don't attempt to use logic, reason, or fact, GMS.
this is zh, the alex jones mob rules, and anyone who speaks heresy gets downvoted.
It's not for them and I wear my crimson medals with pride.
Have a look at the Yamal Peninsula in Google Earth (find "Salekhard, Russia", and go north from there). It looks like Alpine Lace Swiss Cheese! Millions of sinkholes -- city-size, bathtub-size, and every size in between. In some areas, the sinkholes are so numerous that there's barely any dry ground between them.
Obviously, this "global warming" has been going on for a very long time!
Nemtsov Was probably just about to expose the truth on this too.
New US Air Force testing area.
Testing is in progress...after action review looks good too.
Cover story holding as well.
The most likely cause,and really on plausible one, is the build up of methane and CO2 gas in the thawing permafrost. When the area froze in recent Ice Ages, the biological matter was trapped in frozen soil. As it melts, it produces methane and CO2. both carbon gases. The question is why now. The many circular lakes in Siberia and Northen Canada might reflect the same actions in past melting periods. The atmosphere over Northern Canada was tested over a wide areas by aircraft with sensors a few years ago. They found CO2 and Methane gas levels in the Mid Level atmosphere over wilderness Canada to be the same as reading taken over an major urban area. Meaning the land is already releasing large amount of methane and CO2, even before the melting has become general. This is really just the first sign that tundra with permafrost is melting. Like Alaska, where roads, railroads, houses, power poles etc.etc. are seen collapsing into melting ground.
Either that or too many moose farts.
What? A down arrow? You mean 24 million Australians are wrong? Say it ain't so mate:
http://www.abc.net.au/btn/story/s3689506.htm
"They found CO2 and Methane gas levels in the Mid Level atmosphere over wilderness Canada to be the same as reading taken over an major urban area. Meaning the land is already releasing large amount of methane and CO2, even before the melting has become general."
Say what? You mean the pristine wilderness produces as much methane and CO2 as we do? In fact more, because there are more square miles of wilderness than cities?
Is this one more bit of proof that the climate change nuts are full of it?
Listen, if you want to be a whore for the fossil fuel companies that's fine. Just don't project your stupidity onto the rest of us. You acknowledged that earth produces CO2 and methane naturally and basically your argument is "Yeah man produces the shit, but planet earth is the biggest polluter of all. Therefore, let's not do anything about it."
You can't fix stupid.
Yes, let's all be whores for the oil companies. Put them in charge of the country. Their lowest-paid employee produces more real wealth in a day than Obama has in his whole life.
A dead rat in the Oval Office would be an improvement over the current occupant.
The pristine wilderness over the 24% of the Northen Hemisphere with a layer of permafrost under it, yes.
Nope, more proof that you don't know your ass from that there hole in the ground.
The " Warlocks" are growing restles....s
Key Phrase...."We Must RESEARCH THIS!" lmfao Follow the money. Sure to be some international rush to assemble a Team of Researchers paid with tax dollars.
Doesn't the moon have those too? Global Warming everywhere
Yes, and they are all over Australia. But, since it is 'down under' they call them Dingos.
I find it amazing that so many people believe in global warming, which is demonstratably not science. Goverment did 911? Check. Secret banking cartels rule the world? Check. The Bolsheviks were working for Wall Street? Check.
Someone cooked the books so they could put a global tax on all energy? Oh no! They'd never do something like that!
I don't know about global warming, but climate change is demonstrably science. I find it amazing how rubes carry water for the oil and gas industries. I mean, even if the shit we spew into the atmosphere is not affecting the climate (you must suspend rational thought), should we still do it? Come on now. Let's not be totally dumb here.
Speaking of amazing. Why do all of you amateur climatologists acquiesce to paternal authority? Could you at least make it a little harder for the fossil fuel oligarchs?
Doing good science is difficult. Saying "nuh uh" is easy.
Even Senator Inhofe (who makes a doorknob look like Richard Feynman) can do it.
Global warming conjecture is nonfalsifiable, That is, there are no sets of data that could invalidiate the theory. This is not to say the data doesn't exist. There is no possible set of data, no matter the source, that can possibly invalidate the theory, because the theory itself is structured such that it can't be falisified by any data!
This means that whetever it is, global warming is not science. Not now, not ever, it simply isn't.
Learn something about science before you run your mouth. Scientific illiteracy is already at dangerous levels in this country; don't add to it.
FYI, the biggest monetary supporters of global warming, outside governments, are oil companies. You can look it up. Why? Because they know a carbon tax will put the coal fired electricity industry out of business, increasing the demand for natural gas.
The problem is Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) and it's close cousin Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW).
No one with half a brain would say that there is no AGW. This is where the 97% consensus ("settled science" BS comes from).
And if you don't puke on the term "settled science" , then there is little hope for you or your progeny.
It's not even that there has been NO change in global temperature (whatever that is), in the last 18 years.
No, the real problem is not scientific at all, it's political, plain and simple.
There is NO "scientific solution" to GW, but there is a political (read geo-political) war going on here.
This is all about income redistribution between the have and the have nots.
Just a global normalization.
Is that good or bad?
That is the real debate.
The problem is Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW) and it's close cousin Catastrophic Anthropogenic Global Warming (CAGW).
No one with half a brain would say that there is no AGW. This is where the 97% consensus ("settled science" BS comes from).
And if you don't puke on the term "settled science" , then there is little hope for you or your progeny.
It's not even that there has been NO change in global temperature (whatever that is), in the last 18 years.
No, the real problem is not scientific at all, it's political, plain and simple.
There is NO "scientific solution" to GW, but there is a political (read geo-political) war going on here.
This is all about income redistribution between the have and the have nots.
Just a global normalization.
Is that good or bad?
That is the real debate.
Demonstrate away. Let's see what you haven't learned in your 28 years on this planet.
http://www.skepticalscience.com/
Skeptica Science? Really fuck face? Even a die hard warmist like you has to recognize they're not an objective source.
But I'm an agreeable sort of man.
I'll spend 1 hour perusing your site if you spend one hour acting like you have a brain.
You head right back to an 'objective' site like say Watts... LOL
so wwe haven't warmed from the ice age?
EU theory, the Birkeland current is now shared with the approaching brown dwarf(companion star in our binary system), which means less current running through the sun to the planets, such as the Earth, which means the lithosphere is slipping over the mantle as the two layers lose sync and exposes fault lines, gas deposits, etc all of which interact with our DL, thus the EM affects as well.
Try this for a nice entry level approach:
http://www.amazon.com/Earth-Changes-Human-Cosmic-Connection/dp/1897244975/
I love watching the Thunderbolts Project videos on Electric Universe:
https://www.youtube.com/user/ThunderboltsProject/videos
I wonder when the fake science will be finally gone.. 20 years ago I learned about the fake economics being taught in schools (thank you Mises!), it's just fucking unbelievable that even the physics is fake.
The consequences and possibilities in an Electric Universe are far-reaching. First we must acknowledge our profound ignorance! We know nothing of the origin of the universe. There was no Big Bang. The visible universe is static and much smaller than we thought. We have no idea of the age or extent of the universe. We don’t know the ultimate source of the electrical energy or matter that forms the universe. Galaxies are shaped by electrical forces and form plasma focuses at their centers, which periodically eject quasars and jets of electrons. Quasars evolve into companion galaxies. Galaxies form families with identifiable “parents” and “children”. Stars are electrical “transformers” not thermonuclear devices. There are no neutron stars or Black Holes. We don’t know the age of stars because the thermonuclear evolution theory does not apply to them. Supernovae are totally inadequate as a source of heavy elements. We do not know the age of the Earth because radioactive clocks can be upset by powerful electric discharges.
Wal Thornhill, Thunderbolts
"First we must acknowledge our profound ignorance! We know nothing of the origin of the universe. There was no Big Bang."
If we know nothing of the origin of the universe, then how can you say there was no big bang? Contradicted yourself there, I'd say.
Looks like someone doesn't even understand 1/r^2.
All Aboard> ? Ozzy Osbourne - Crazy Train - YouTube
lol, If you look really hard you'll see the Emanuel brothers bobbing around in that cesspool... Zekeaka Mr. O`zero Care & Rahm [ gangster] gun free zone having lunch with Bloomturd.
ALERT ! A giant Pingo is forming in Ukraine about to devour and sink the nation. Run East towards more Pingos or West towards financial Black Holes. Your choice , same outcome
Yeah this shit never happened before. Well... except for pingos which are naturally occuring.
I swear what the fuck are you people going to do? Tie everything to Global Warming? My ass itches today must be global warming
Wow! Your googling skills are impressive. Stop being stupid.
Ass-herpes are statistically tied to global warming.
Anyone see Aliens vs Predator?
there is a leak in the HAdron particle collider at CERN.
these are Higgs bosons escaping from a journey through the earth and exploding with anti-matter
:)
just saying
Farts so to speak create all things. It is not so much the release of excess gas but rather the process of creation, in this case the land mass of Russia, that once done, finds the fart parting with its creation. In a likewise manner, each of us, unique among our kind, are the creations of farts. Young farts, old farts, king farts and queen farts, little farts and mouse farts, toad farts and tree farts and likewise did Noah enter into his ark the farts two by two. . .
Actually , there is a pole axis change going on. Soon Siberia will be tropics. and Florida will have ice skating.
Think I am joking? I am wearing Reynolds Wrap heavy duty here.
Mylar, you need mylar
I like to make viking horns on mine