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Russia Warns NATO: Any Threat In Ukraine Will See Military Response
As Russia announces the expansion of its Navy by 50 vessels this year, including two new nuclear-powered submarines and an aircraft carrier, it appears NATO's sabre-rattling has drawn a response/threat/warning. Following British plans to send military 'advisers' into Ukraine (which NATO has stated are not confirmed), TASS reports, Russia's NATO envoy, Alexander Grushko, warns Russia will take all measures against possible NATO threat in Ukraine, adding that Russia’s response may include military measures.
NATO has taken no decisions on sending British or any other instructors to Ukraine, Russia’s Ambassador to the North Atlantic Alliance Alexander Grushko said on Monday.
"NATO has taken no decisions on sending instructors," he told the Rossiya 24 television channel. "NATO is implementing the decisions that were taken at the political level at the Wales summit in September 2014."
Moscow will take all measures, including military-technical, to neutralize possible threat from NATO presence in Ukraine, he added.
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And this is happening as Russia dramatically expands its military forces. As The Moscow Times reports,
The Russian navy will receive 50 vessels of various sizes and classes this year, navy Chief Admiral Viktor Chirkov was quoted as saying by the Interfax news agency on Monday.
The new boats are part of a rearmament program begun under President Vladimir Putin that aims to provide Russia with a navy capable of operating far away from home — a capability lost after the collapse of the Soviet Union — by 2050. Russia's navy today is largely relegated to a coastal defense role.
"The period of stagnation in the development of our potential has long since passed," Chirkov said.
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And here is The West's defence...
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Of course all this military machismo comes as Russia and Ukraine hold emergency talks in Brussels over gas supply amid imminent cutoff threats for non-payment. As AP reports,
Russia and Ukraine's energy ministers are holding emergency talks after the Russian gas supplier said it would cut off deliveries to the war-torn country as soon as Tuesday if it does not get new payments.
The European Union, which is mediating the talks in Brussels hoping to keep gas flowing despite the dispute, imports around 40 per cent of its gas from Russia, half through conflict-torn Ukraine.
Kyiv and Moscow have fought out several gas price wars over the past years and concerns are mounting that any fresh cuts could again hit European supplies.
Cash-strapped Ukraine is struggling to buy time and made a $15 million payment last week, but Moscow says that will cover only a day's worth of gas, leaving a potential cutoff looming Tuesday.
Arriving for talks with his Ukrainian counterpart Volodymyr Demchyshyn and the European Union's energy chief Maros Sefcovic, Russian Energy Minister Alexander Novak acknowledged the "need to resume an energy dialogue."
Russia has said that it will cut supplies unless Kyiv pre-pays for gas it wants to use. Ukraine, meanwhile, accuses Russia of failing to abide by its contractual obligations.
Complicating the dispute are deliveries to Ukraine's rebel-held east, where fighting between Kyiv's forces and Russia-backed rebels has killed nearly 5,800 people.
Kyiv cut gas supplies to rebel-held areas last week, prompting Russia to pump gas there directly. Russia said those deliveries should be counted in gas exports to Ukraine.
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I will add that it was not these nations that reached out to the US in 2012. Indeed, it was the US who sought to reverse decades of ignoring SE Asia with the so-called "pivot to Asia." The US could not send enough people or money to Asia to strike military and "humanitarian" deals.
It is convenient, however, for the US to continue to assert that these nations begged the US to come protect them. Just about anything the US says or does is always convenient for the US.
You'll have to take your assertions up with the foreign affairs departments of the respective States of South East Asia, I doubt they will see it that way. You are again simply trying to substitute Chinese wrongdoing with a USA boogieman, which has done nothing.
As for the 'pivot' one might go so far as to ask why the US went to the trouble of creating an illusion that the bulk of US expeditionary forces would be concentrating in the Asia-Pacific.
There is no reason to ask or wonder why the pivot. The US has come right out and declared its plan to constrain China's economic, diplomatic, and military development. The Chinese have reacted with restraint to what has, in the past among other nations, been considered a policy of aggression if not a declaration of war.
As for you, again either paid to spout this garbage or worse and more dangerous, a true believer.
Are you mad?
MILITARY:
You better believe the US will counter Chinese military developments! Why the hell wouldn't they?! Are you mad? Grow up on Alpha Centauri or something? Don't know how the real world works? the US is going to nail the fuck out of the Chinese military, if it ever has to, and don't you ever forget it. Listen closely. China will not be getting cut ANY military slack - ever! Is that completely clear? I can not believe the fucking nerve of you to even expect that to ever be otherwise. Grow up!
TRADE:
The US has been doing all it can to build economic links and mutual investment with China. How the hell do you think Apple production moved to China? Most favored trading status is how! So you're talking complete crap there. The US definitely did not want China isolated.
The recent relative isolation of China via a lack of free trade agreement with the US, and more recent exclusion from the Trans-Pacific Partnership is the inevitable result of China threatening high-intensity combat attacks on Japan, who is the US's biggest military alliance partner in the Pacific Basin!
What did you think was going to happen?! Business as usual?! GET REAL PAL!
China was threatening a war of territorial conquest against Japan. In other words, China made a spectacularly vast diplomatic error in relations with the US and Japan, and it can not be swept aside, as though it didn't happen. This is why you do not give the US an excuse! But China gave them far more than an excuse, it gave them a clear motive to act.
So now trade and investment links must be restructured around the very real possibility of Chinese military action against the US Pacific Alliance. Is that perfectly clear? Is there something you don't understand? Yes, China's trade and investment relations with the west will suffer. Why the hell would you ever think that wouldn't have been the outcome?
DIPLOMACY:
The US has engaged with China on all diplomatic levels and on all topics. The US has not prevented China from doing anything it needs to diplomatically. How could it?
The Chinese just signed a finalized Free Trade Agreement and Comprehensive Strategic Partnership Agreement with Australia last November, fer Krist's sake!
Did the US interfere? NO!
Could it have? YES!
Would it have worked? Most probably not.
So how the fuck is the US interfering in China's diplomatic initiatives given China now has a major Comprehensive Strategic Relationship with Australia, and Australia is a MAJOR US military ally, with a free trade agreement with the USA?
In other words, the door has been left open to China to cut the shit. To move past the Issue with Japan and to resolve territorial claims with SEA. China can have a fantastic open relationship with the West, or it can blow its own foot off. It is Beijing's choice.
And frankly, the views that you've been putting are very unlike the views of the Chinese Premier Xi Jin Ping, as expressed in Australia, last November. He gave many speeches in Australia during that week, and they were extremely warm, friendly, very constructive and gracious. You should read what he said in them. He wants a relationship with the West like the one that Japan has with the West. Or at least he clearly indicated that, at that time.
I seriously doubt that you know what you're talking about with regard to these topics.
And yes, I am freely speaking my own words, and it is how I see things.
And I'm thoroughly reconciled with the possibility that you may disagree - and I'm OK with that.
China does not want the same relationship Japan has with the US. Xi, nor any other Chinese, would ever allow US troops stationed on Chinese territories. For that matter, the average Japanese is not too keen about it either, especially in Okinawa.
Otherwise, you can't have it both ways; either China is a threat to the rest of Asia as the US spouts at every chance or China, led by Xi, is "extremely warm, friendly, constructive and gracious."
I agree with Xi's words. China seeks its own interests as it should. Sadly for the US, China achieving those interests with other nations in Asia is not good for American interests. Perhaps part of the deal to allow the China/Australia FTA was the US military base which was not received well by others in SE Asia.
Look at Japan in 2009 when Hatoyama sought, under the guidance of Ozawa and according to his blueprint, a more equal relationship with both the US and China which meant diplomatic and economic cooperation and warming with the Chinese and a change in the US/Japan alliance. For that move, which would have been highly beneficial for China, Japan, and the rest of Asia, Hatoyama got snubbed by Obama, his surrogates in the American press, US State and Defense Dept personnel in Japan and even the US hands in the Japanese bureaucracy. He was forced to resign, not because he pushed this agenda (indeed, he campaigned and won on the agenda) but because the US refused to allow him to complete the agenda.
Had he been successful, there would not have been an issue with the Senkaku Islands (they were discussing joint development of the seas surrounding the islands until Hatoyama left office), there would be fewer US troops in Japan, nationalism on both sides of the Sea of Japan would not have flared as they have and Japan would not have growing issues with its other East Asian neighbors.
This is the way that the US deals with nations not toeing the US line. China sees this and remembers what the US has done in Asia and specifically to China in the past. Whatever relationship China and the US have will always be based on a lack of trust by the Chinese. To be sure, China wants to get along, but they will not be forced into the US fold ever again.
As for the US stopping China from developing its economy and military, that has yet to be played out and the US has now forced China into an economic and security alliance with a nuclear superpower. I don't doubt that there are many American "leaders" who are crazy enough (true believers) to start a war in Asia but, hopefully, that will not happen.
"Perhaps part of the deal to allow the China/Australia FTA was the US military base which was not received well by others in SE Asia."
A quick reply, I need to leave this discussion at this point.
(1) There are zero US military bases in Australia. There will not be US bases in Australia. We are not a former conquered and occupied country like Japan. The US forces are accommodated and integrated within existing Australian military bases under our Laws and under Australian control. China should should be very clear about that.
(2) Those US forces were not a deciding factor in the FTA with China in my view (I hope I under stood your point properly here). It is more practical that that. Australia already had FTA's with US, Japan and South Korea - China's major market competitors. They were going to be able to obtain Australian energy and minerals far cheaper than China could. Consequently the moment Japan made an FTA with Australia it was imperative that China do the same, in order to compete equally to obtain industrial inputs, at the same prices. Plus Japan would have been able to sell goods into Australia a lot cheaper than previously, and undercut Chinese products. This is what India also will now do, for the same competitiveness reasons.
Sorry to leave it there, I did enjoy this discussion, regardless of the spats.
Thank you suteibu.
Last time I checked USA has invaded/bombed/assolted 7 countries in the Middle East since 1990. How many countires has China invaded?
A global power cribbing over regional power . Hypcorisy again .
They Chinese aren't going to do anything like that, they have to live in this neighborhood, and believe it or not, in this neck if the woods, the Chinese are the minority, not the majority. They will only get involved in combat if US action in the ME against Assad and Iran causes Iran to close the Persian Gulf. Then they'd go completely apeshit at the US and Israel, threaten to eliminate them, and anyone else who got in the way. Nothing else threatens China's vital interests enough to get them worked up. The Vietnam border thing is because China is trying to defacto annex Vietnamese claimed territory in the South China Sea and Vietnam is just about ready to start sinking their ships if they don't knock it off and fuck off. Vietnam is not going to take shit from China here, and for sure its SEA neighbors also want China to fuck off, and will combine against them.
Vietnam IS worried.. the generation that kicked China ass in 1979 is aging .. the so called TPP Trans Pacific Partnerhsip .. piece of crap .. is abou forging new security arrangement between USSA and Vietnam to some extent... travel back and forth to Nam and people are nervous.. but they are survivors.
Russia has security ties with Vietnam too . China is making a bad move here , they need to be friends with their neighbors except philipinnes and japs .
You don't have a clue what you're talking about.
Neither you mr.neutral .
China is busing building islands in the pacific ocean to have unsinkable aircraft carriers all around the place so they can take the fight to Indonesia, Japan and the Philippines...
7 downvotes for asking a sincere question? WTH?
It's the Chinese nut-huggers. For what it's worth, I don't ever intentionally give anybody a downvote.
Like I've said before, Russia's military ain't all that great but NATO has spent the last couple of decades sitting around watching "Jersey shore' and the Kardashians assuming the USA will save their ass but all we have are expensive, semi-functional toys and an army that has been gutted commanded by the village idiot. Europe, your on your own, have fun.
Putin's rebuilt armed forces. Watch video below:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6gMGBYSZFM&index=56&list=FLhxqwnacwtI22...
Like any of that is going to stop GI Jane's Army of One?
Until Russia diversifies and lowers standards, they haven't got a chance.
Correct but they have enough power to defend their nation .
And that is their great advantage over NATO........
AND attack neighboring nations!
And don't forget about the "kinetic action" in Libya, where they ran out of munitions after 4 days...
Yeah, Nato got this...
this obviously is why all the gains in the Asian session of Gold and Silver were erased starting on the open in London and throughout the CRIMEX trade...
AGAIN.
http://www.kitco.com/charts/livesilver.html
You...You mean Manipulation? Of the PM markets?
Isn't that illegal?
What does Russia consider a threat from NATO?
Your essay can be no longer than 250 words.
No real threat from NATO. Can't do much harm with a painted broomstick. The real threat is the attempted creation of an EU wide "buyers cartel" to force Russia to sell gas for an EU offered price. EU still pissed about southstream. Crimea and turkey assures Russian gas will not be landlocked.
That's the thing people tend to forget, Russia wants and needs that port and is willing to fight for it.
whoa, Whoa, WHOA!!!
I have heard for the last 3 months how Russia is not behind the Crimean war.
And now I see that, "Russia wants and needs that port and is willing to fight for it"?
So, the Russians "want", "need", and are "willing to fight", but NATO is the one causing the conflict?
what "Crimea war"? Quit making stuff up. There was NEVER a "Crimea war". The Crimeans voted to join Russia and the Russians took them in. Case closed.
As for NATO, how dare them Russians create their country so close to the NATO bases? How many bases does Russia have all over Europe and how many NATO?
Do get emberassed and SHUT the eff up.
Sort of strange that Boris Nemtsov was called to the US embassy in Moscow on January 17 2015.
Was this for "final" instructions?
http://fortruss.blogspot.de/2015/03/boris-nemtsov-getting-instructions-a...
Yeah US ambassador fatass teft said : We no longer need your service . Thanks Boris . Watch your back .
this is known:
old weapon and old mixed headstamp/dates ammo, shot in back
markmanship not applied
likely hired, but not high skill
some pattern is Ingushhetia, Chechen
Volkodav, what is your opinion on the article below?
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/03/was-nemtsov-killed-because-his-cove...
It's a scenario that I never thought of, but it seems possible. I was wondering what your take on it is.
Thanks.
my opinion is same as our contacts much closer to this subject..
nope...
his resume ugly not that kinda spy material
he would have mistaked, exposed self he was not great actor, just bs convince the stupid people
his brain was never great and couldn't keep his mouth shut, nor fly zipped espec when drunk/drugged
if you look his past, you can see deficiencies, how many times he caught in corruption, discredited long ago to Russians
know earlier he had powerful enablers, same as Khordo and others, but they lost interest invest so much after lack
of results, so he resort to whore for NGOs even more
source says investigators is looking at Ingushetia about this...
either from when he pissed the muslims recently and more than once before
and/or kinda low bid hit arranged by you know who to make trouble
OK, that makes sense.
Spasibo.
I was reading some of his "anti-Putin" statements and they all seemed to be half baked.
My first thought was: Controlled opposition.
2050? Better keep building nukes as fast as possible.
Rut Roe..
If somebody was fucking with USA's interests/security the way the USA has been fucking with Vlads, the fires would just be going out about this time.
What ever Putin proves to be, an evil Oligarch assainating politcal rivals or a guy who just won't play ball... you have to admire his restraint. you would think the Russian flag would have been flying from the tallest building in Kiev by now.
NATO finally got the warning they were looking for, it's all down hill from here folks...
...Also, strange that a satillite had a mishap and broke into 42 parts.
Yes....reports indicate it suddenly heated up and exploded!
Hmmmm.
Could it be......a Secret Laser Death Ray?
We must find out what part over the earth it had this terrible mishap!
http://spacenews.com/nro-confirms-chinese-laser-test-illuminated-us-spac...
which sat are u talking about ? details
The haven't announced what country it was flying over when this happened.
China "illuminates" US satellite with laser:
http://spacenews.com/nro-confirms-chinese-laser-test-illuminated-us-spac...
Putin doesn't have to do much since he knows what hand NATO is holding and "all sound and fury, signifying nothing" won't take NATO very far.
Hanoi John: "C'mon, Barrie, gimme a jet. I'll show those bastards what's up!!"
BTB: Now, John, I have, uhh, err, sorta been re-thinking this deal. We have a lot on our plate."
"I'll take Miss Lindsey with me. Both of us could whip Russia!"
Miss Lindsey: "Uh, John, I'm in the JAG. I haven't fired a round since Basic. Some of those Ukraine boys do look handsome, though."
BHB: "They are?"
Miss Lindsey: "Lookit this speedo issue of Muscle Boy. It's the Ukraine issue.
Upvote for evil imagination.... :-)
First Strike: http://youtu.be/jlPEBROvR9w
FTA: "Any Threat In Ukraine Will See Military Response"
Is it a good thing Obama is shrinking the size of the military, committing what's left to endless missions in WhoCaresIstan, and alienating the traditional US allies (Egypt, Israel, etc.)?
Will that bring about peace in our time?
Russia has shown you don't need a massive military to protect your sovereignty; just a strong nuclear deterrent and adequate conventional forces.
If you care for your "traditional allies" so much, by all means go die for Israel, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Qatar...all wonderful places that share our values.
And Russia has also shown how to invade neighboring countries - most recently Georgia and Ukraine, how to deal with dissidents - Alexander Litvinenko and Boris Nemtsov, and how to deal with wealthy, non-slaves - Mikhail Khodorkovsky and Alexander Lebedev. All this while Putin becomes worth $40,000,000,000+.
That's the model you propose!?
You're just another Pooty Fanboi.
Shut the fuck up you little shit for brains Americunt asswipe.
DutchBoi!
Way to debate the issue - you 3 week wonder!
Say hi to you little boiz!
DutchBoy is now confirmed as another of the Puutie Paid Puppies.
Lots more here on ZH. Maybe Moscow considers ZH a good site to plant the propaganda. The Puutie Puppies sure work hard for the money.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fjejmcc44wkdrt6/214.jpg?dl=0
Amazing...
Your CV somehow proves that Russia did not invade Georgia and Ukraine, murder critics and imprison people not paying bribes?
Here are relevant links (sorry for sticking to FACTS):
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_Russian_military_intervent...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31669061
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Khodorkovsky
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/alexander-lebedev-russian-billi...
"Facts are stubborn things"
Get a grip about your fabled past or produce a more satisfying streak of propaganda.
Stooge
Seriously Wikipedia quoted as fact? Seriously?
He especially likes those bare-chested photos of Pooty!
lol . what a deluded moron you're
I'll take a bare chested Lemonhead over that homo Obama and his mom jeans
Actually DutchCUNT is a financial trader on wall street that attempts to act lke a blogger tough guy...when if fact he only possesses a recently created love oven, following in the footsteps of his.her idol Bruce Jenner
Notice the times of the posrs...posting on company time, fucking douche
Aint that right faggot? Dutch,,,ps i know who u r ...u best shut the fuck up..hmm So how is Gen?
FUCK YOU ASS WIPE
hey liberace
You mean like you do, Sis?
How can I get a check! I love Lemonhead
You kiss your mother with that mouth?
Stupid comment. Big delusion.
Propagating discredited myths does not enhance your credibility.
At all.
You're the only thing discredited here.
You provide no evidence that these reports from BBC, Huffington Post, etc. are "myths", and instead argue like a child - with personal insults and denials.
It's appropriate that you choose the photo of the stupidest stooge ever - Shemp.
bbc huff post etc are establishment controlled mouthpieces, will get big ignore cos they lie all the time.
they been totally descredited so many times lost count...
You know nothing about Russia
you are weak enough that you cut and paste from least credible, most biased sources, shows your ignorance.
stupid comment
delusional
Those neighboring countries were until fairly recently part of the same country as Russia. So yeah, you'd expect Russia to have an interest in those places.
So when their leaderships poke the bear in the eye repeatedly and encourage NATO to do the same, you can probably expect a less-than-friendly response from Russia.
NATO could have ensured their safety without challenging Russia's obvious interests in the region.
But it was never about securing those countries. It was all about forcing NATO right up to the Russian border, even if it meant war in those countries.
Don't let your Putin-hatred blind you to the realities of the situation. Hate the man if you want, but Russia has NOT been the aggressor here. It has been US, using those countries as proxies to keep needling the Russians in an indirect way. Because for the neocons, the Cold War never ended, and never will. Because it was simply too lucrative.
What happened to our promised peace-dividend? You didn't think they'd ever let us have it, did you?
Russian invasion characterised as:"NOT...the aggressor". Was it a "liberation"?
As Hitler's defenders no doubt explained his "non-aggression" in the Sudetenland:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sudetenland
Putin Critics:
Alexander Litvinenko - MURDERED
Boris Nemtsov - MURDERED
Russian Billionaires - critical of Putin:
Mikhail Khodorkovsky - IMPRISIONED
Alexander Lebedev - MURDERED
Putin's Net Worth:
$40,000,000,000+.
FANBOIZ:
It's all NATO's fault!
Growing a repeation of fantasies and myths, even when growing the repeation with bold text upper case alphabet, does not transform the fantasies to fact.
Do you have a way to beat that?
"Do you have a way to beat that?"
FACTS?
Links to data for those who truly want to know:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russo-Georgian_War
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014%E2%80%9315_Russian_military_intervent...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisoning_of_Alexander_Litvinenko
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31669061
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikhail_Khodorkovsky
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/09/26/alexander-lebedev-russian-billi...
http://www.bloombergview.com/articles/2013-09-17/vladimir-putin-the-rich...
"Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not."
Wooooo... People want that much their fabled past to be true that they jump at any favoring conclusion, even the most ridiculous.
Facts? Evidence? Documentation?
Anything to support your argument?
Nope. Just another Pooty Fanboi!
Here's your page Stooge!
http://www.businessinsider.com/43-pictures-vladimir-putin-tough-2013-9?o...
get lost goat
you are annoying those sane here
Fanboi!
Grizun drug addict President murdered Russian Peacekeepers, and Russian and South Ossetian citizens.
"The Phony Litvinenko Murder" William Dunkerley
Khodorkovsy is criminal, even Gorby told that.
your other claims is bs also
wiki is marginal source, subject to control censor
bbc, huff post and bloomberg are terrible....you quote evil and follow with scripture is very sick
media dumb you down much?
You are not going to win any arguments quoting Wikipedia or the Kardashian Post
bored
I love it! Do you work for a govt paycheck? You almost make me want to pay taxes, much better comedy than even Jen Psaki! If you're a writer on Netenyahu's last comic standing routine tomorrow I will *definitely* watch!
you ever post facts?
Traditional allies = countries with corrupt central banks that swap spit with our corrupt central banks.
israel was never an ally. it is a bloodsucker. wake up you sound like an MSM graduate.
Send in Nudelman - Dominatrix of the 5th-Column NeoCons
That should sure scare the hell outta that pesky Putin!
Methinks USSA may have destabilized its last country (yeah right, who am I kidding).
US ( in Scorpion's voice) : Come over here ukraine !
Ukraine took usa weapons indirectly via uae last month in defence expo .
I'm sure their End User Certificate didn't allow them to onsell them without massive
penalties.BS figleaf of (im)plausible deniability.
Wonder if anyone is listening in Washington? Or is the Kenyan in Cheif back on the golf course? Insane McCain? Horseface? Dickless Cheney? Vicky "The Vibrator" Nuland?
Do they give a shit? Or have they all bunkered in?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0GFRcFm-aY
Playing at names, JHK just expanded his definition of John Kerry, an empty suit with a haircut in search of a brain.
I always LOL at "American" or "British" advisors...what the hell are they advising? How to load up a bunch of kids on anti-psychotics who couldn't make a decent living in the private sector, then give them medical coverage for "tinnitus" and "PTSD" when they leave the military and realize "Shooting brown people" is not a marketable skill?
Well...yes.
It's not about going to ACTUAL war. It's really about whipping up the domestic populations of each so as to permit a new "Cold War".
Cold War is SO much better than Hot War! Hot War chews up resources...Cold War allows for resources to be used arming-up. Gives a huge boost to those moribund domestic economies and gets those idled factories up and running again...
Or so the theory goes. I'm certain both sides have this in their minds...it's just a question of how to contain it so it always stays 'cold'. One false move, and all your economic gains get blown up, because all that shit is expensive.
You want to MAKE the stuff and stash it somewhere, not have to USE it.
This could be another Vietnam. There 600 'advisors' eventually mushroomed into 500,000 troops. The awfull thing is that political advisors sent by Kennedy etc to Vietnam to assess the situation on the ground more often than not reported the whole thing was pointless given the corruption of the S Vietnamese regime, that lack of will to fight of the S Vietnamese population and the determination of the N Vietnamese to drive out the imeprialists. Kennedy and his successors didn't have the guts to cut their losses for reasons of pure domestic politics. Thousands of US soldiers and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese died because of the vanity and corruption of US and Vietnamese politicians. The parallels to the Ukrainbe situation are too close to bear.
Actually the truth is Kennedy saw Vietnam as a ''no win'' situation and was campainging to get out in 1964 if he was re elected. Another reason the MIC had him snuffed.
Kyiv cut gas supplies to rebel-held areas last week, prompting Russia to pump gas there directly. Russia said those deliveries should be counted in gas exports to Ukraine.
Brilliant! In that way, the Donbas will be the only part of the country formerly known as Ukraine (t.c.f.k.a.u.) to receive gas paid for by Kyiv, ultimately in Poroshenko chocolate bars.
The way things are headed, it will be the only part of the country with lights on by the end of the month.
Call Ukraine what it is! NULANDOSTAN!
What the fuck is a Nuland? Like Pomerania it should be called Nudelmania
"Dear Bath House. Thank you for accepting this private message. If any ZATO thugs enter Ukraine, I will have 25 Divsions over the border in 12 hours. In 24 hours I will be drinking vodka shots at the government HQ in Kiev."
Thanks for your co-operation.
Vlad
Dear Vlad,
That's the post-election flexibility I was talking about.
Exceptionally yours,
Bath House
Cool...so if NATO establishes a presence in Ukraine, Putin will take his 25 divisions back home, and finally, the tee-totaller will start drinking.
I'm just wondering where he'd get more soldiers, considering many are already leaving to the EU, many are being hidden by ther famiies (like during Afghanistan), and most Russians would never support a conflict with Ukraine.
Putin knows ONE thing: the US has developed, tested, deployed and refined one thing that USSR/modern Russia has not been able to: Kill Satellites.
Are you insane. The Russians developed them first.
But didn't the Chinese do the first 'public' testing of their satellite killing tech?
http://www.spaceref.com/news/viewnews.html?id=1188
I'm sure everyone has something similar, MAD just gets better and better.
Your ignorance is flawless . Search for Jack4952 user on zh , he will set you free .
great name for a mental giant tweedle dee tweedle dumb lol
If the military were serious about protecting the country, they'd march on Washington and put an end to this madness.
If the U.S. responds, Vlad will soil himself and little else.
I saw Vlad loitering in front of Western Union this morning (waiting on dollars from a loyal Zero Hedger) and he seemed more annoyed than anything.
I am Vietnam Vet who supports Russia and have a bullet with your name on it you little punk ass motherfucker.
You're an idiot. Did mama have any children that lived?
Read this you little faggot coward
https://www.dropbox.com/s/fjejmcc44wkdrt6/214.jpg?dl=0
I don't react to your responses, Bob.
You react to mine. :-)
not only are you a disgusted little troll, you can't even come up with anything original.
what a jerk. lol
This assphaecales guy is a pathetic troll with an extremely limited repertoire. This is why he is spotted so easily through his various name changes (Amerikan Patriot, 5e0V2a3, stopeuro).
I thought he was freedumb123
With so many idiots drinking well of the anti-Putin Kool-Aid, it can be difficult to tell them apart. That guy freedom123 was one of the Latvian potato trolls, previously known as viedoklis_lv.
And your mother wears combat boots.. if that is the best you can do kid.. got back and clean the drain in mom's sink .. more productive. Maybe the Tylers need to start sorting their posters wiht some sort of test .. like history and economics . this non stop name calling wiht no facts or real input it getting irritating.
Sir , he is american patriot .
Why you brought Mccain back ? He is a scum .
Is comedy your hobby or profession?
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It must be his hobby. As a profession, he might be able to earn one potato daily.
At best.
Hey fuckface, guess who has access to Ramstein, Geilenkirchen, K-Town and Landstuhl and a few othe select places.
You cocksuckers attack Russia and you will get big surprise. Suggest those FAT cunt dependents in housing buy body armour for themselves and their rugrats.
DutchFaggot...underestiating the US, will result in a crater extending the width of your destitute and barren CUNT-ry
In your dreams...... moron
you are such a poor troll.
a mind that is alwys in the gutter.
you must be really disgusting to be with.
lol
It will all end in a Topol-M sunrise.
Hopefully D.C. and Jew York take the first hits.
Mish says Ukraine food supplies are zero. Done fed them to the army. If someone's going to intervene it will have to be soon or else Russia wins it all. And with intervention mostly like no one wins anything in the end. Of course that could mean victory for some crazies.
Another US-led failed state.
Rack 'em up, boys.
Who's kids are they gonna send to fight this unnecessary bullshit bankster war? Sure as hell ain't gonna be mine. I see no threat to my safety from Russia.
Note to ZH, "Kyiv" is a bankster re-spelling
ggrumps came from Kiev and he vehemently refused to accept the contrived creation of a nation
At last a little truth about Russian involvement in war with Ukraine, decisive blow in Kremlin's lies:
http://www.novayagazeta.ru/society/67490.html
http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-live-day-378-severely-injured-russ...
ROFL! Funny.
Approximately 300 US military personnel will be sent to a peacekeeping center in Ukraine's western city of Lviv.
http://sputniknews.com/world/20150302/1018953127.html
The troops were asking if they could bring their boyfriends with them and if there will be a USO there so they can get cookies from Mommy back home. Also asking about a Popeyes and Burger King.
Somebody said the Chinese were ready to send in peacekeepers.
Or are the US peacekeepers there to keep the Eastern Ukies from sacking the West and killing all the Nazis?
This whole thing is a clusterfuck, but US troops defending psycho Nazis? Oh, wait, I think I just dropped my paperclip . . .
More polish will rub off on them than make any fighters
"we're all pollacks now"
Ukraine having to suckle the teat of their supposed enemy while their 'allies' sit and make rhetorical bullshit threats. Poor bastards can't even pay their utility bill yet they talk of War! with Russia. I strongly suggest the broke Western powers go home to their little bases and pick more fights with those they can handle,,, Libya comes to mind. They're playing with serious fire that will put an end to their lifestyle of living off the plebes not to mention the very real probability of ending most life on the planet.
You make an excellent point.
How does a bankrupt nation come to the decision to take on one of the top 3 military powers in a war. A war for what? Seems like logical Ukrainians would see the ridiculousness of that proposition, so it makes one wonder WHO put these ideas in their heads?
Ukrainian Exceptionalism?
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It's a short bus kind of special, just like with 'americans'.
NATO and Americunt troops are concerned and asking if they can take their boyfriends into battle with them.
The US military has been hollowed out .. the only groups left with the money and equipment are special ops .. and just not enough of them. Probably already there anyway . the mission of the US military is now to provide the biggest PC set of clowns .. people are bailing out of the USM .. and who can blame them .. whats left to fight Russia long term considering we have also gutted our productive capacity and manufacturing .. the leadership in DC is either insane or believe this is going nowwhere ...
You cannot beat someone in their own backyard. Especially when that backyard is 3 times the size of the USA.
Russians are real men fighting for their country. American troops haven't fought for their country in decades.
You cannot beat someone in their own backyard. Especially when that backyard is 3 times the size of the USA.
Russians are real men fighting for their country. American troops haven't fought for their country in decades.
To keep troop casualties down in Iraq and Afghamistan Obumghole has shredded the special forces through over use. The American Army is nothing without complete air superiority which they most certainly won't enjoy if things go hot in Central Europe
Breedlove and Dempsey better not mistake Lemonhead's kindness for weakness
gives foxhole a whole new meaning
Come on , Vlad , stop fucking around,. just turn off the gas to all of the west. Fuck those NeoNazi scum
What anybody's capabilities will be in 2050 or even 2030 are irrelevant - except perhaps as a warning to the Empire that they can't win. If we don't get past this crisis by then we're all toast.
It's clear that the Empire is not going to collapse without war. Th question is, can it be contained and parried sufficiently to give it time to strangle on its own internal contradictions and the vast arc of little wars it's embroiling itself in to expire without starting a global thermonuclear holocaust.
If so, our species gets one more chance to get it right and put an end to war.
If not, all our hopes and dreams for our children and grandchildren and generations to come will have been in vain.
This is coming to a head now, and will be resolved in the next decade if not sooner.