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Financial Collapse Leads To War
Submitted by Dmirty Orlov via Club Orlov blog,
Scanning the headlines in the western mainstream press, and then peering behind the one-way mirror to compare that to the actual goings-on, one can't but get the impression that America's propagandists, and all those who follow in their wake, are struggling with all their might to concoct rationales for military action of one sort or another, be it supplying weapons to the largely defunct Ukrainian military, or staging parades of US military hardware and troops in the almost completely Russian town of Narva, in Estonia, a few hundred meters away from the Russian border, or putting US “advisers” in harm's way in parts of Iraq mostly controlled by Islamic militants.
The strenuous efforts to whip up Cold War-like hysteria in the face of an otherwise preoccupied and essentially passive Russia seems out of all proportion to the actual military threat Russia poses. (Yes, volunteers and ammo do filter into Ukraine across the Russian border, but that's about it.) Further south, the efforts to topple the government of Syria by aiding and arming Islamist radicals seem to be backfiring nicely. But that's the pattern, isn't it? What US military involvement in recent memory hasn't resulted in a fiasco? Maybe failure is not just an option, but more of a requirement?
Let's review. Afghanistan, after the longest military campaign in US history, is being handed back to the Taliban. Iraq no longer exists as a sovereign nation, but has fractured into three pieces, one of them controlled by radical Islamists. Egypt has been democratically reformed into a military dictatorship. Libya is a defunct state in the middle of a civil war. The Ukraine will soon be in a similar state; it has been reduced to pauper status in record time—less than a year. A recent government overthrow has caused Yemen to stop being US-friendly. Closer to home, things are going so well in the US-dominated Central American countries of Guatemala, Honduras and El Salvador that they have produced a flood of refugees, all trying to get into the US in the hopes of finding any sort of sanctuary.
Looking at this broad landscape of failure, there are two ways to interpret it. One is that the US officialdom is the most incompetent one imaginable, and can't ever get anything right. But another is that they do not succeed for a distinctly different reason: they don't succeed because results don't matter. You see, if failure were a problem, then there would be some sort of pressure coming from somewhere or other within the establishment, and that pressure to succeed might sporadically give rise to improved performance, leading to at least a few instances of success. But if in fact failure is no problem at all, and if instead there was some sort of pressure to fail, then we would see exactly what we do see.
In fact, a point can be made that it is the limited scope of failure that is the problem. This would explain the recent saber-rattling in the direction of Russia, accusing it of imperial ambitions (Russia is not interested in territorial gains), demonizing Vladimir Putin (who is effective and popular) and behaving provocatively along Russia's various borders (leaving Russia vaguely insulted but generally unconcerned). It can be argued that all the previous victims of US foreign policy—Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria, even the Ukraine—are too small to produce failure writ large enough to satisfy America's appetite for failure. Russia, on the other hand, especially when incentivized by thinking that it is standing up to some sort of new, American-style fascism, has the ability to deliver to the US a foreign policy failure that will dwarf all the previous ones.
Analysts have proposed a variety of explanations for America's hyperactive, oversized militarism. Here are the top three:
1. The US government has been captured by the military-industrial complex, which demands to be financed lavishly. Rationales are created artificially to achieve that result. But there does seem to be some sort of pressure to actually make weapons and field armies, because wouldn't it be far more cost-effective to achieve full-spectrum failure simply by stealing all the money and skip building the weapons systems altogether? So something else must be going on.
2. The US military posture is designed to insure America's full spectrum dominance over the entire planet. But “full-spectrum dominance” sounds a little bit like “success,” whereas what we see is full-spectrum failure. Again, this story doesn't fit the facts.
3. The US acts militarily to defend the status of the US dollar as the global reserve currency. But the US dollar is slowly but surely losing its attractiveness as a reserve currency, as witnessed by China and Russia acting as swiftly as they can to unload their US dollar reserves, and to stockpile gold instead. Numerous other nations have entered into arrangements with each other to stop using the US dollar in international trade. The fact of the matter is, it doesn't take a huge military to flush one's national currency down the toilet, so, once again, something else must be going on.
There are many other explanations on offer as well, but none of them explain the fact that the goal of all this militarism seems to be to achieve failure.
Perhaps a simpler explanation would suffice? How about this one:
The US has surrendered its sovereignty to a clique of financial oligarchs. Having nobody at all to answer to, this American (and to some extent international) oligarchy has been ruining the financial condition of the country, running up staggering levels of debt, destroying savings and retirements, debasing the currency and so on. The inevitable end-game is that the Federal Reserve (along with the central banks of other “developed economies”) will end up buying up all the sovereign debt issuance with money they print for that purpose, and in the end this inevitably leads to hyperinflation and national bankruptcy. A very special set of conditions has prevented these two events from taking place thus far, but that doesn't mean that they won't, because that's what always happens, sooner or later.
Now, let's suppose a financial oligarchy has seized control of the country, and, since it can't control its own appetites, is running it into the ground. Then it would make sense for it to have some sort of back-up plan for when the whole financial house of cards falls apart. Ideally, this plan would effectively put down any chance of revolt of the downtrodden masses, and allow the oligarchy to maintain security and hold onto its wealth. Peacetime is fine for as long as it can placate the populace with bread and circuses, but when a financial calamity causes the economy to crater and bread and circuses turn scarce, a handy fallback is war.
Any rationale for war will do, be it terrorists foreign and domestic, Big Bad Russia, or hallucinated space aliens. Military success is unimportant, because failure is even better than success for maintaining order because it makes it possible to force through various emergency security measures. Various training runs, such as the military occupation of Boston following the staged bombings at the Boston Marathon, have already taken place. The surveillance infrastructure and the partially privatized prison-industrial complex are already in place for locking up the undesirables. A really huge failure would provide the best rationale for putting the economy on a war footing, imposing martial law, suppressing dissent, outlawing “extremist” political activity and so on.
And so perhaps that is what we should expect.
Financial collapse is already baked in, and it's only a matter of time before it happens, and precipitates commercial collapse when global supply chains stop functioning. Political collapse will be resisted, and the way it will be resisted is by starting as many wars as possible, to produce a vast backdrop of failure to serve as a rationale for all sorts of “emergency measures,” all of which will have just one aim: to suppress rebellion and to keep the oligarchy in power. Outside the US, it will look like Americans blowing things up: countries, things, innocent bystanders, even themselves (because, you know, apparently that works too). From the outside looking into America's hall of one-way mirrors, it will look like a country gone mad; but then it already looks that way. And inside the hall of one-way mirrors it will look like valiant defenders of liberty battling implacable foes around the world. Most people will remain docile and just wave their little flags.
But I would venture to guess that at some point failure will translate into meta-failure: America will fail even at failing. I hope that there is something we can do to help this meta-failure of failure happen sooner rather than later.
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I'm both awed and terrified to be alive today. Awed because I might see a once in a millenium event. Terrified for the same reason.
You might see the flash, but then it's lights out.
Survive, revolt and overthrow the oligarchs, rebuild a better world without them.
Here's a good analysis of how it's going to play out to help you get ready.
http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/threats.html
Whatever. I've been long PMs and Ammo for a long time now...
I quote Michael Ruppert (MHRIP):
Everyone gets along when there is enough for everybody, and that is the fallacy of economics, isn't it, because that has never been the case, and only a priesthood that believes in infinte growth would build models and a school of thought based upon that premise. No, there will never be enough for the insatiable human species. If you do not see the connection between energy, war, politics and economics, then watch Collapse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVd-zAXACrU
"only a priesthood that believes in infinte growth would build models and a school of thought based upon that premise"
My whole live I have been preached to by this lot. The infinite growth forever lot. If confronted with the laws of physics which debunk their theory if practiced in a closed system [our planet], they get angry and say that if government gets out of the way, the unseen hand will continue the growth forever. This of course is crap.
When shortages of any sort spring up in the system, then the fighting begins.
In the late bronze age, in Britain, farmland was coming under population pressures. A society that showed only the rare recourse to war, suddenly saw the landscape fill up with large Hill Forts, all over southern Britain, forts sprang up. In the Iron Age, with even more pressure of population, small forts and towers spread north to Scotland and the Isles. Everyone was looking for fortifications. A shortage of good land had turned the population into waring tribes. That lesson holds true everywhere.
Infinite growth NEVER works, it never pans out. It always ends up in war. Resources in any closed system are not infinite. That is why were are headed for hell on earth. This place just does not suit the coming 10 billion people, all wanting to live like upper middle class Washington DC government employees. I.E. People who have it all, at government expense.
Europe is a good example of the world in microcosm. (So if we look at Europe as the age of empires, where is the world looking for "new land" to exploit?) Perhaps 20th century economists will be looked at as the soothsayers of whatever survives this mess. I really do think that there is something deeper in us that can answer the call of nature, but there is too much indoctrination going on in economics (greed) to see the forest for the trees. Unfortunately, a lot of trees are going to be chopped down.
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/target-cutting-thousands-jobs-212053180.html
"... restructuring ...."
Yeah, we should invade Canada instead of picking a fight with Russia, eh. There is plenty of land and fresh water in addition to great forests, gold mines, and tar sands. We'd do better at hockey too.
Russia is far away and no doubt China will contest any outside attempt to invade. Russia will eventually belong to China or have a radioactive border.
You do realize that DC .gov employees are more likely to be in the top 1% globably than not? Ah, the propaganda that makes us believe that they are middle class when they are rulers, albeit minor.
Don't worry. This will all be coming to an end soon.
The strawman mantra of infinite growth again.
Loonies, please give it up. It makes you look stupid.
Johngalt > blaze of glory eh ?
And when they show up with plasma torches like in Panama ?
And if you survive a nuke war or a local genocide life as a 'worm' will be wonderful.
This 'showdown' with the oligarchs needs to be won in the global financial markets if we are to retain the life we cherish. Conventional ways will not work. The chess players have figured that out.
PMs and ammo are great, but they don't do much against a Bulava...
Skousen lost the plot years ago.
Note the mem in his analysis:
"We are the only sane people and everyone is out to get us.".
yah, ok buddy. Here are your meds, have a good nap.
Squid
Enlighten us to your superior analysis, skippy...
DaddyO
...at some point failure will translate into meta-failure: America will fail even at failing. I hope that there is something we can do to help this meta-failure of failure happen sooner rather than later.
Anybody care to translate? Talk about a lost plot.
His point is that TPTB are trying to fail. That failure is their goal. So what happens when you "fail to fail"? That is what he means by meta-failure.
I think the failure is already baked in, just like Orlov says.
The question we should be asking then is "When" and "What Trigger"?
I thought for a long time that the trigger would be economic, however, I'm leaning more into Skousen's camp of woar...
Then the economic collapse happens with the WWIII bringing about enough cover to settle the books.
DaddyO
Failure failing at an exponential rate. Fail2
Welcome to Kakistan
In the link given above Skousen does not account for Zionists. I know maybe why he doesn't mention that, but how can an analysis be correct if the assumptions are incorrect?
However Strategic Relocation is worth reading.
If you had any education in history, then you would know that after EVERY reset, oligarchs still rule.
That is why after thousands of years, we repeat the same problems over and over again.
Perhaps new ideas could change things. Check out http://sapiocracy.com/
You do whatever you like. Me and this guy here can take you. Oh, you got a friend? Me and these two guys can take you.
In the end, brute force is always the preferred method of someone who can muster it and it will always be thus. Something about human nature...
"What American military gets involved in is a fiasco"
True - but more to the point - "America is a fiasco"
America is in the destruction business, what sane person could be proud of that ?
What the fiasco is ultimately destroying is freedom and self-determination. As America once stood for that.
Perhaps America will still prove exceptional and lead by example by throwing off the yoke of servitude. Chances are slim but none has not left town, yet.
"Chances are slim but none has not left town, yet."
Good one!
Thanx for the laugh... (whether deliberate or inadvertent)
Thanks SMG I have made a convert of one my nephews and had told him that Mr Skousen had an interesting and really quite logical viewpoint on things. You have now allowed me to forward a well written article to him. Have a good evening.
You're welcome. I'm trying to save as many as I can. This is a crazy and unprecedented time in history. Never before have our rulers had the ability to destroy so many, and the really evil people running the world want to kill billions. I wish I could stop them, but there are too many ignorant or brainwashed, so the oligarchs will get what they want. I hope to save as many good people as possible to rebuild a better world. Leave the world a little bit better than you found it Dad always said....
I was like that a few years ago now I'm just numb to it all.
Then you are behaving exactly as planned.
Nope just dont give a shit anymore, I'm ready for whatever but dont plan on worrying about it.
OK, I see. Well, I think a country full of mind-numbed TVidiots would be the easiest to persuade and move to the will of a central power. We are just about there...
What can you do after you've prepped except eat popcorn and watch the show.
Don't forget the lawn chairs...
Waiting patiently for Act 1.
You're already in Act 1. Act 3 is where all the action is.
Is Greece about to declare War? War only happens when the existing powers are about to fall. Tell them to go fuck themselves and get a real job selling used cars or something.
Sure, same as Haiti, Zimbabwe, Venezuela, Bangladesh, Peru, Brazil, Cuba, Porto Rico, Moldova, Bulgaria, New Joisy, Trump Casinos..........................
Yes, we were infested with all those mindsets. But there is an inherent difference here that will shine through in the end. You just need to trust me.
LOCK AND LOAD!
Everyone is so blasé about the US force on other nations, just look at her: http://zergulio.livejournal.com/2587719.html
She was 4 year old. She was killed by Ukrainian fascists in Gorlovka in November 14, 2014.
You don't see hordes of liberal Zionists following her small coffin, like they followed a sleazebag and sex-addict Nemtsov.
Shame, on your house Amerika and shame on all the pro-west liberals in Russia, shame, shame...
So what happens when people no longer feel shame? This seems to be where we are...
I feel the same way. I am not the most religous person in the world, but when Obama first came on the scene, I was half jolking that he was the Antichrist.
Now I am wondering if the world can survive him?
I'd rather get hit at ground zero than with a total economic collapse. Get the shit overwith quickly.
chin up mate. just give your son a cowboy hat like rick grimes did and get on with it
Just ax your great great great grandparents, these hos want nothing but money.
Dats why you just hit um and forget um.
No worries. Millennials admire their parents, especially their soccer moms.
You're on a roll tonight;)
Love you, Bro. See you on the other side.
Financial collapse leads to "new leadership".
Those leftest Greeks are doomed. The people voted for a new financial & Fiscal structure.
War is coming. Not because it couldn't be avoided. Wars are fought over GREED.
I'll kill my masters before I'll fight for them.
Now the Greeks are thinking of stealing pension funds to pay the IMF.
I think someone taking my money without my permission would be cause for kicking the government on its ass, but before then I would try and take what belongs to me. If you go to .gov with a gun and demand "your" money back, that is not stealing or terrorism, that is just retrieving what belongs to you.
Keep in mind just exactly why Skynet attacked Russia...
"I think someone taking my money without my permission would be cause for kicking the government on its ass, but before then I would try and take what belongs to me."
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Yeah? Do you pay income tax?
On one occasion, so it was narrated, Stalin called for a live chicken and proceeded to use it to make an unforgettable point before some of his henchmen. Forcefully clutching the chicken in one hand, with the other he began to systematically pluck out its feathers. As the chicken struggled in vain to escape, he continued with the painful denuding until the bird was completely stripped. “Now you watch,” Stalin said as he placed the chicken on the floor and walked away with some bread crumbs in his hand. Incredibly, the fear-crazed chicken hobbled toward him and clung to the legs of his trousers. Stalin threw a handful of grain to the bird, and it began to follow him around the room, he turned to his dumbfounded colleagues and said quietly, “This is the way to rule the people. Did you see how that chicken followed me for food, even though I had caused it such torture? People are like that chicken. If you inflict inordinate pain on them they will follow you for food the rest of their lives.”
Stalin the Chicken Whisperer...who knew?
Good 'ol Uncle Joe. He was a little weird but everything turned out okay in the end.
The EBT cards are food.
Evidently you are proud of a fucking lunatic lke that? you are fucked..with 9 up votes yet...fuking propagandists fuck...es coontrol tht proliteriat,,you fucking brain dead fuck
Nyet, too bad Hitler didn't snuff that mother fucker when he had the chance
Read your History dude. No NWO without Stalin.
The USA did business with that dude. That's why I find it odd that we don't do business with Putin and vice versa.
Yalta was a far bigger deal than Bretton Woods.
Stalin wiped from Soviet Gulag prison museum - BBChttp://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-31711287
USA did business with Hitler too. The bankers made money from all sides of WW2. Look at the literature regarding Bank of International Settlements (BIS), Prescott Bush's role in the BIS, and the role of Europe's bankers. This banker/warfare role has been going on since very early 1600's. Examine the role that Dutch bankers played in William of Orange becoming King of England, and war between Holland and England, shortly thereafter.
Behold Captain Butthole, the fistulized sphincter of the ZH comment section:
This guy personifies America's complete success at utter failure. He is a true short bus patriot.
If you inflict inordinate pain on them they will follow you for food the rest of their lives.
Exactly what the Democrat party has done to blacks in America. Abuse them like crap, but then pretend you care about them by giving them
welfare handouts to secure their votes.
As LBJ would say: "We'll have those n*****s voting Democrat for the next 100 years!".
"Political collapse will be resisted, and the way it will be resisted is by starting as many wars as possible, to produce a vast backdrop of failure to serve as a rationale for all sorts of “emergency measures,” all of which will have just one aim: to suppress rebellion and to keep the oligarchy in power."
So, does that mean that we should start terminating our oligarchs before the wars heat up too much?
"new" world order is the biggest oxymoron i've ever heard
Maybe you're just looking at it wrong. World chaos can be used to benefit a deranged few in their long term plans. After all we are just one crisis away from people accepting a one world government.
Yes Tyler, kind of like the economic collapse in Russia where Pootie is playing the familiar game of "take their eye off the ball", with the diversion of a perceived threat from NATO, complete with Bear bomber runs near and/or over NATO countries to complete the diversion.
And all the while spounting untrue propaganda about the west through the government controlled media, and threat of getting snuffed for voicing any opposition to pootie
The reality is that the price of Oil has dropped through the floor, and when you are a one trick pony solely reliant upon "texas tea", you are fucked, fucked fucked, so whatch gonna do..rattle sabres to take people's eyes off the ball..
Putin may try to start a treasury sell off, however when Russia's own economy is currently crippled, maybe the west can help the cave in a little more with supplanting Gazprom's monopoly in oil in the European arena..two can play the financial coercion game
You stupid Russian propagandists fucks make me laugh, yes like Russia is going to strike the US..good luck with that, any misery here would be visted thousanf=d of times over in the motherland...so it is fucking stupid banter
Your story was more aptly written with regard to Russia Tyler, but as all of us here have now come to realize, ZH is not about being correct, its completely about speading Russian propaganda
the russian story has nothing to do with what you read in the media..... it's all about making russia and china fall into line for a single global currency....
russia has power over europe, with its gas, but a pipeline from Qatar to Turkey will reduce the dominance, thus the need to get assad out of syria.
putin not budging on that so start trouble in the ukraine....
meanwhile, load all the countries with debt and ponzi schemes until the currencies of the world all lose credibility.... ride to the rescue with the new global (electronic and monitored) currency that's completely linked to your smart phone, finger prints and location.
now you have the entire global population in a super max prision.
Not going to end well.and Putin s not going to rescue anyone but himself,
To those outside the repressive reach of the dictatorship, Putin is viewed as a murdering tyrant, placating and enriching himself and his oligarch contemporaries, while simultaneously playing to the uniformed proliteriat as a hero [thanks to the controlled media]...this is very much deja vu to Hitler's ascension in the Third Reich
a lot of repub voters are at the end, DC keeps right on taking - we could see an election in 2016 where half of them or more do not vote or vote 3rd party..the people are waking up to the fact nothing good is done in DC.
G Bush said:"America is not a place it's a state of mind"..well I disagree- even if our leadership see us as serfs for NWO. somebody always dies in the end.
Little comparison of Hitler and Stalin
https://books.google.com/books?id=EYA4AAAAQBAJ&pg=PA1904&lpg=PA1904&dq=p...
If you really want to understand Hitler vs. Stalin, read Antony Beevor's "Stalingrad The Fateful Siege: 1942-1943". To say the two megalomaniacs hated each other is a gross understatement. That war on the Eastern Front was true Fascism vs. true Bolshevism. We are moving rather quickly toward fascism.
Think of all political systems on a circular struture, with Bolshevism at the bottom/left of the structure and Fascism on the bottom/right. Both have goals of total subjugation of the population. Both use brutal force and fear to accomplish their goals. Both meet at the bottom with violent outcomes. One uses corporate cronies (capital) and the military, and the other uses "proletariat" (workers) and the military. Not a fuck of a lot of difference, but hatred of each other's system is deep and wide.
This is correct. One person's failure is another's success. Destablization is the goal. Divide and conquer. Keep the country off-balance and corrupt and pay off all sides to get what you want. And make sure the leadership knows what noncompliance looks like (Qaddafi). It "works". And it pays.
I hesitate to point out that 2 other scenarios acheive the same diversion. Aliens and/or Planet X. Paranoia, get yourself some!
You did not hesitate long enough.
off topic: someone taking potshots at NSA buildings in Ft. Meade
http://tinyurl.com/nfe9afw
Send someone an RPG for Easter.
"The idea was that those who direct the overall conspiracy could use the differences in those two so-called ideologies [marxism/fascism/socialism v. democracy/capitalism] to enable them [the Illuminati] to divide larger and larger portions of the human race into opposing camps so that they could be armed and then brainwashed into fighting and destroying each other."
Myron Fagan
after reading a post here, sry, dont remember where from, but it was about russians taking down all the security systems of a big us warship, i cant stop thinking of this kind of new war: they take down mutually theyr systems and nothing works anymore and they go finally all together for a drink or two...;)
Banksterz / Governments lead to war.
Joe the plumber or Bob the roofer never want war. Always pay attention to who cries our for moar woar.
Let's greece a war to keep the squeaky CDO wheel oiling new investments. Cui bono motherfuckers.. See how easy to identify?
This sums up neatly how most of the world views what is going on here in America...oh how far the mighty have fallen.
From the outside looking into America's hall of one-way mirrors, it will look like a country gone mad; but then it already looks that way. And inside the hall of one-way mirrors it will look like valiant defenders of liberty battling implacable foes around the world. Most people will remain docile and just wave their little flags
"Any rationale for war will do, be it terrorists foreign and domestic, Big Bad Russia, or hallucinated space aliens."
Hey, don't knock Aliens. They are real*. A relentless group of Clingons is all it takes to have leveraged, hierarchical control of the US leadership, and with it control over EU and G7.
It might explain why the planet, its resources and biosphere, its animals and humans are treated so fiendishly and with reckless abandon, with no view to consequences.
* http://rt.com/usa/232463-obama-aide-ufo-failure/
clingons need toilet paper too :-)
The end game is obvious.... destroy the main global currency options and impose one global currency....
With one global currency you control EVERYTHING.
They pretty much do control everything already. If you don't realize that, then you are way behind. A one world global currency isn't even necessary.
I'm sure that there will be some population control in the final plans.
The fatal enemies of America are within. The American sheeple trust them as their politicians, their bankers, their media and their obedient fellow sheeple. External war is a tool for total internal control.
Unfortunately reaper, unlike your cursor review of the "media" in fact there is a vast majority of folks in America that are prepared....in fact, were a country attempt to invade the individual citizens would disembowel such aggesion long prior to the homeland eventually being turned into glass
Our lord and master spoke to congress today. The congressmen groveled like dogs before him. As if Jesus Christ had appeared before congress.
That did have the feel of a State of the Union address. I think Speaker Boehner was breaking chops...as if to say "we know the real President is here."
I'm shocked the Dems would be offended of course...
The Sith Lord of Zion received 22 standing ovations in 40 minutes from his flunkies, er... our Congressmen (and women).
"As if Jesus Christ had appeared before congress."
They would not ever know Him or listen to the wisdom of salvation, Jack. Congress critters for the most part ONLY kow-tow to the moneygod, a zionistrothschild creation. Kinda like isreal was created to be the match that starts WWIII for world domination and population ELIMINATION. Those boys and girls are doing a pretty good job so far, eh! Multiple rounds of retaliation two seconds to darkness after they start the party. Evil bankster puppet dead countries are forgotten in time.
Were it to happen, a Christed Jesus in congress, it might be a scene like whipping the money grubbing traitorous snakes out of the garden temples of fair trade, thus running them into the pit of fiery hell to burn like crispy-critters to add their small whisp of ego to the old pile of the empire of dust.
You see Jack, america suffers from whacktoast tolerance. They are effectively too dumbed down to care. Anything can spook the herd at this point.
Meanwhile, more and more folks are carrying guns and stocking and readying in community to face the coming hoards of hungry babylonians, whos stomach has become god.
List of Traitors.:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/288555/fu...
Well, we oligarchs had better start this war soon, before we're too broke to buy bullets.
Too broke to buy bullets? Silly Dave! There's ALWAYS money for a war! ALWAYS!
OK! To unprotect the oligarchs from their track records, FIRST we stand up straight and TELL THE TRUTHS:
Stop whoring for Wall Street.
http://www.showrealhist.com/yTRIAL.html
http://patrick.net/?p=1223928
Let's see. What you are proposing is that a plan for ongoing US military failures is a strategy to keep the oligarchy in power over what will be a totally collapsed industrial human society.
That doesn't make any sense to me. The end of the world as we know it is The End. It's easy to imagine that the elites have backup lifeboat and sanctuary plans but it's difficult to image them planning to hang around in control of virtual societal nothingness.
You characterize these many US military aggressions as failures. Perhaps, they are not. Perhaps, they achieved their purpose and have been mostly successful. If the objective is merely to destroy to prevent certain other achievments, then success can be much simpler than achieving anything positive or constructive.
Perhaps, you are merely experimenting with an analogy of anagrams on a conceptual, mixing the words that describe a situation to re-describe the situation. John Michael Greer has been doing it for years - conceptual video games - a pasttime for prolific thinkers and writers, I guess.
Which quality of bourbon are you guys stocking for the good times?
Zackariah Harris or Maker's Mark or other?
I am a scotch drinker and have some really good single malts. Going to sit back with a little on-the-rocks and watch the fucking fireworks.
"russia is not interested in territorial gains),"
If you are going to lie, go big!
I don't know...looks like fewer and fewer flag wavers. Wouldn't that be the/a reason for martial law?
Ellen Brown's discussion on implementing public banking is written for an environment and state that should be. It does not contend with trying to improve the current financial oligarchy for the benefit of ordinary citizens. That would be like changing the deck chairs on the Titanic. To write and describe a clean slate as they way things should be rather than change what is, is the same things that the signers of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution did. It is no different. The signers ignored the status quo and wrote on a clean slate.
After there is a masive collapse of the current financial system, there will be need for "clean slate" documents that are written about how things should be. This is not possible in the current Titanic condition, it will be possible after the current condition has collapsed into chaos. Ultimately, society seeks stability and "clean slate" solutions.
Military complex... well who are the shareholders - the people who create the US dollar and keep a lot for themselves and share the technology and money with Israel.
And who have the most to lose? The people who print the US dollar.
There you go.
something else is hurting you - that's why you need pot or whiskey, or whips and rubber suits, or screaming music turned so fucking loud you can't think, or madhouses or mechanical cunts or 162 baseball games in a season. or vietnam or israel or the fear of spiders.
- Charles Bukowski,
Quite an "awesome" article!
Of course, that future, that
article is predicting is the most probable one, but far more criminally insane than we can currently comprehend, since there are no good reasons to doubt that the "financial oligarchs" have the means to carry through their agenda, while there is nothing that is publicly significant that I am aware of being able to effectively resist them.
I express the paradoxical manifestation of "meta-failure" as final failure from too much success at being able to control civilization through integrated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence. I do not think we can fully comprehend the nature of the psychotic breakdowns of globalized systems of electronic monkey money frauds, backed by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs.
The monkeys with that electronic money, or the apes with those atomic bombs, OBVIOUSLY do not understand what they are doing, but nevertheless, I am not aware of anything which can prevent them from doing it anyway. In my view, anybody who believes that they could become prepared for the meta-failure of globalized electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs, is only able to believe that because they can not imagine the astronomically amplified SIZE of those runaway problems.
As is my usual response to articles republished on Zero Hedge, I thought that the article above was well worth reading, but that it grossly underestimated the magnitude of the problems which it correctly analyzed, and so, grossly overestimated the degree to which "there is something we can do to help this meta-failure of failure happen sooner rather than later"
It is my basic view that NOBODY, including the "financial oligarchs," is able to fully understand what is happening due to the development of electronic frauds backed by atomic bombs. Rather, we are living inside the context of a civilization which has become criminally insane, while there is NOBODY, or certainly no publicly significant groups, which understand those developments, nor can prevent them, nor be prepared for them!
So what are you going to do?
Well, sapioplex:
I expect that I will continue to watch and wait, while I indulge in irrational hopes, as well as transcendental hopes. I will continue to work on my own kinds of vain notions regarding possible social psychiatry, regarding the MAD Money As Debt, backed by MAD Mutual Assured Destruction, as my kind of political science fiction and fantasy. After all, I have been thinking about those things for several decades, while my whole life has been directed by a series of decisions that were made upon the basis of those points outlined in the article above by Orlov.
I will continue to promote the THEORY that we should go through a series of intellectual scientific revolutions, which profoundly change the paradigms that we use to perceive political problems, especially with regard to the combined money/murder systems, whereby the debt controls are backed up by the death controls. I will continue to promote creative syntheses of post-modernizing science with ancient mysticism, as ways to better understand general energy systems, and to engage in a radical critique of the understanding of those energy systems.
I will continue to do that one little thing that I can actually do, which I have been working on for a few decades, regarding Canadian Electoral District Associations, because the funding of the political processes continues to be where the point of maximum leverage exists. I will continue to promote the view that we should develop a political science that becomes more consistent with the physical sciences, that made things like electronics and atomic energy become existing technologies, because of the previous profound paradigm shifts that the underlying physical sciences went through.
... However, sapioplex, while I will continue to do the same sorts of things that I have again and again decided to do for several decades, after I first learned about these issues when I was a teenager, the most constant theme has always been that the more I learned, the worse it got. These problems of electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs, are so many orders of magnitude BIGGER than me, that there is practically NOTHING I could do, (which was the point of my previous comment) ... But nevertheless, I shall surely continue to work on my vain fantasies about what "we should do" ... which are primarily that we should develop better death control systems, in the context of overall better artificial selection systems.
I will continue to regard militarism as the supreme ideology, and continue to regard money as measurement backed by murder. I will continue to endeavour to promote those ideas, as the only ones which are theoretically in the same order of magnitude ball park as the problems of globalized electronic frauds backed by atomic bombs ... However, I also continue to expect that more than 99% of the rest of the population will deliberately ignore everything that I have mentioned above ... and so, I will again default to holding on to irrational hopes, rather than have no hope at all, and I will attempt to continue to believe in some sort of transcendental hope, because, no matter how criminally insane civilization becomes, that is just another story, regardless of how tragic that story may be ...
Hi, Radical Marijauna! I don't always agree with your points of view. However, I must say that they are very well stated and I enjoy reading them. The folks here, like you, that express intelligent points of view, are one of the main reasons that Zero Hedge is one of the first of my readings of the morning. Thank you.
Thanks, cherokeepilot!
P.S.
Your name on Zero Hedge conjures up a pleasant image in my mind, since flying small planes has poetic connotations like galloping horses.
Thanks for you response.
The "name" was chosen for two reasons. I have Cherokee ancestry and a small plane. The small is a Piper Cherokee.
The Cherokee ancestry is mixed with Irish and German heritage, so I suppose that makes me a "mutt". Most of my friends are "mutts" and as mutts usually are good animals so the term applies to them.
"Mutts" have hybrid vigor!
So Dmirty Orlov has joined the NWO conspiracy camp.
That's what this article basically demonstrates.
It's all there ... a shadow government of financial oligarchs has the reigns of power, only they need cover to carry out the entirely of their plan ... which is to seize ultimate.irrevocable control. What better than economic/financial collapse in conjunction with threat of war to mask the conversion.
Nothing particularly new here, could be another Brandon Smith article save for Dmirty's insufferable "my Russian shit doesn't stink" attitude.
I could quibble with him here when he uses the phrase " The U.S. has surrendered it's sovereignty" I would think Hijacked is a better term, but Dmirty loves to take swipes at his adopted homeland so hey.... have at it dude.
Question is Dmirty. isn't the UK. EU and Japan also just as much controlled by this "clique of financial oligarchs"? Who says the group is only U.S. based. And if this group is Internationally based, then there's really no reason that the power elite in Russia and China aren't in on the plan. Order out of chaos and all that.
Look, Ken over at RedefininingGod has been covering this for years, Brandon Smith too.
U.S. crazy, warmonger Bad Cop. Russia sensible, patient Good Cop. China on the side being prudently impartial.
Goal ---consolidate control of financial /monetary systems and implement an EU/IMF type of umbrella/controlling structure over the entire planet. One that encompasses both economic and political aspects and ... much, much more.
Welcome to the club Dmirty. Perhaps in time you'll put the pieces further together and embrace the paragraph above rather than putting the blame solely on the U.S. ..... only do drop the holier than thou Russian attitude.
So Dmirty Orlov has joined the NWO conspiracy camp.
That's what this article basically demonstrates.
It's all there ... a shadow government of financial oligarchs has the reigns of power, only they need cover to carry out the entirely of their plan ... which is to seize ultimate, irrevocable control. What better than economic/financial collapse in conjunction with threat of war to mask the conversion.
Nothing particularly new here, could be another Brandon Smith article save for Dmirty's insufferable "my Russian shit doesn't stink" attitude.
I could quibble with him here when he uses the phrase " The U.S. has surrendered it's sovereignty" I would think Hijacked is a better term, but Dmirty loves to take swipes at his adopted homeland so hey.... have at it dude.
Question is Dmirty. isn't the UK, EU and Japan also just as much controlled by this "clique of financial oligarchs"? Who says the group is only U.S. based or focused. And if this group is International in scope, then there's really no reason that the power elite in Russia and China aren't in on the plan. Order out of chaos and all that.
Look, Ken over at RedefiningGod has been covering this for years, Brandon Smith too.
U.S. crazy, warmonger Bad Cop. Russia sensible, patient Good Cop. China on the side being prudently impartial.
Goal ---consolidate control of financial /monetary systems and implement an EU/IMF type of umbrella/controlling structure over the entire planet. One that encompasses both economic and political aspects and ... much, much more.
Welcome to the club Dmirty. Perhaps in time you'll put the pieces further together and embrace the paragraph above rather than putting the blame solely on the U.S. ..... only do drop the holier than thou Russian attitude.
essence, I agree that there was
"Nothing particularly new here."
Another example of that being old news:
Carroll Quigley, in Tragedy and Hope:
"powers of financial capitalism
had another far-reaching goal,
nothing less than to create a
world system of financial
control in private hands
able to dominate the
political system of
each country and
the economy of
the world as
a whole ..."
"Financial oligarchs" already did that!
They were able to relatively easily kick the shit out of countries like Russia and China in previous Centuries. However, they do no longer enjoy overwhelming superiority in social organization and technology.
There was a wide range around the world of how different places responded to the European invasion of the industrial revolution. Almost all were conquered. (A few sold out first, more than were conquered.)
In my view, the financial oligarchs were behind the Russian and Chinese revolutions in the 20th Century. However, at the present time, it is not clear to me that there continues to be a clear hierarchy of power, through a globalized system of organized crime. That is, the international bankers, or financial oligarchs, are having a harder and harder time continuing to dominate other countries, which were forced to assimilate the originally European technologies and social organization methods, since there no longer is a great disparity in those basic abilities.
Moreover, as my comment above outlined, the deeper issues are regarding the industrial revolution itself! While those who did that first were able to force everyone else in the world to follow, the successes based on industrialized levels of being able to back up lies with violence are EXTREMELY PROBLEMATIC IN THE LONGER TERM!
The first human generation that was born into a situation where there were developed electronics and atomic energy is still alive today. NOBODY has fully adapted to the industrial revolution, and especially not fully adapted to electronics and atomic energy! Those who developed those things first we able to force everyone else to adapt to those achievements. However, countries like Russia and China have mostly already caught up now, whereas, at the beginning of the 20th Century, they were way behind.
The novel situation NOW is that superiority with respect to electronics & atomic energy, etc., does NOT fit into any sane system. The different sorts of ruling classes throughout the world have become various forms of runaway criminal insanities.
In that context, I mostly agreed with your comment, essence. However, I still believe that the overall situation is WAY WORSE, due to the basic problem that the history of Neolithic Civilization, based on being able to back up deceits with destruction, to support financial systems based on enforced frauds, only "worked" WITHIN human societies over the shorter term.
When we are discussing "financial collapse leading to war" we are talking about electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs!
I REPEAT, that situation is electronics and atomic energy, being directed by monkeys and apes. All over the world, some of those monkeys and apes are able to dominate others, and have developed electronic frauds backed by atomic bombs to be able to continue to do so. However, NOBODY has fully adapted to that runaway situation. Instead, the main characteristic of the existing MAD Money As Debt and MAD Mutual Assured Destruction systems is that they have been built in ways which did NOT care about how completely crazy those were, because they were able to be built on the basis of nothing else than some human beings continuing to be able to control other human beings by enforcing frauds.
THE DEEPER, LONGER TERM, PROBLEMS CONTINUE TO GROW, BECAUSE BEING ABLE TO ENFORCE FRAUDS WITHIN HUMAN SOCIETIES NEVER STOPS THOSE FRAUDS FROM BEING FALSE.
Hence, I believe that the most important trends in the world today regarding the previous ruling classes, everywhere, of every variety, are that THEY ARE LOSING CONTROL.
Meanwhile, it seems to me that most people who understand that somewhat continue to cling to some sort of irrational hope, without fully facing the degree to which that hope is NOT rational.
In my view, that is the basis of your valid criticisms of Orlov's article. Furthermore, I would extend that to include pretty well everything else published on Zero Hedge ...
The development of science and technology at an exponential rate had profound effects upon political economies all over the world! However, SO FAR, there has not been enough time for any better balanced kinds of evolutionary ecologies to develop with respect to those emerging abilities, other than those driving runaway criminal insanities through social pyramid systems based on being able to back up lies with violence within those human societies. Social pyramid systems based on being able to back up lies with violence have been pumped up and UP to become electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs. That situation is so EXTREMELY UNBALANCED that we can not fully comprehend the degree to which that is so ...
Pointing out that the USA is particularly unbalanced is correct. However, the human species as a whole has been driven by the progress in science and technology to become UNBALANCED TO ASTRONOMICALLY AMPLIFIED MAGNITUDES!
In my view, the underlying problems are due to there being NO progress in political science to match the progress in physical sciences, because the established political systems were based upon enforcing frauds, which maintain the maximum possible attitudes of deliberate ignorance towards themselves. That has manifested as electronic monkey money frauds, backed by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs ... while the dominant groups of those monkeys and apes NO LONGER CAN CONTROL THAT!
The history of successful warfare based on deceits, and successful finance based on frauds, has made genuine scientific progress with respect to those issues practically impossible. The established social pyramid systems work via the ruling classes all over the world being the best professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, while the vast majority of people that they rule over have adapted for generation after generation to accept that!
In the most profound ways, social pyramid systems are based on the ruling classes backing up lies with violence, resulting in the people they rule over being ignorant and afraid. That is the basic social system whereby attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance are maintained towards all of the most important social, biological and physical facts. Those are the basic contradictions through which progress in science and technology is being pumped into political economies which operate as organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition, which, so far, were able to "work" by doing that ... despite the contradictions, that backing up lies with violence never makes those lies become true, constantly driving those established social pyramid systems to become more psychotically insane.
While I think that America had become the heart of the beast, of a globalized empire, dominated by enforced frauds, and therefore, the USA has become the most psychotic country, the whole world shares the same problems, and there is nowhere else where there are not basically similar social pyramid systems, which are also criminally insane in their own ways.
Most probably, I am insane too, due to living INSIDE a criminally insane civilization, and thus whatever I might attempt to do to change that seems pathetically inadequate, to the degree that my efforts seem practically pointless.
WE ARE RUNNING OUT OF TIME TO ADAPT,
BY CHANGING OUR POLITICAL PARADIGMS.
On top of all this, we murder people in foreign lands to defend the dollar. As Jefferson said, "I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever." When God's defense departs our nation, we will be easy prey to our enemies. That day most assuredly will come. Read about it in Revelation 18 - the most prosperous civilization in world history is suddenly destroyed by fire within the space of only one hour. Only nuclear destruction could fulfill that prophecy. The sea merchants will wail in utter depair when their livelihood is gone "for in one hour so great riches is come to naught."
Study a globe of the world and notice what Russian and Chinese military planners must be thinking. Landwise the United States is a much smaller nation - when push comes to shove, and a nuclear exchange becomes thinkable, surely they will calculate that they have the edge, that a few nuclear bombs could destroy us quicker than we could destroy them.
Bad luck I dont live near any strategical target. It will not be a flash, but only cold, vomit, diahrrea and slow death. Bettar get some good bottles of whine and some good canned stuff to enjoy before the nausea comes.....
If the NWO actually desired to unite the earth in a global USSR it would be fairly easy to achieve. First, create regional groups like the EU or the USSR, make them work (important!) and then integrate said groups.
The thing is they never put a lot of effort into getting the intermediate political structures they build to work. For instance if the EU was a serious project it would have aimed to partially deindustrialize northern Europe and industrialize the south in order to balance trade and preventing the endless greek, spanish and portuguese crisis. Had it worked few would have complained and nationalists would have been ridiculed as nostalgic clowns.
I think few among the middle management layer of the NWO truly cares about the NWO and just join in to make a buck. Thats why it never works, people never follow the plan, they are never passionate.
Look in Europe all the problems caused by muslim immigration and artificial financial chicanery. That is not a recipe for a stable society. Look at all the wars in the middle east, not a recipe for a stable society capable of ever joining a NWO.
They seriously dont care or the plan is indeed to kill 95%. I know that if i was in the NWO, thats what i would do.
"...the plan is indeed to kill 95%. I know that if i was in the NWO, that's what i would do". reflect for a moment what you wrote there. then, note one little detail: dead workers don't work
Orlov seems to have the same difficulties as most to realize that there are two entities involved in this: a US Republic and The Financial-Commercial Empire
the first is simple. It's a nation-state structured as a federation, with a very new population, in historical terms, made out of immigrants of the last four centuries
a very interesting nation, full of myths about itself, always bubbling with new ideas and further myths
the second is a bit more complex, because it involves people all around the world. it was born in the crucible of the fight between the Spanish and Portuguese Empires, and the following empires that joined it, from the Dutch to the French to the British, the Russian, the Japanese and the Chinese. note, all very formal empires
one main American Republic myth, for example, is that it was never involved in empire-building. So it never had very early alliances with Kingdoms like Morocco's, it did not send US Marines from Montezuma's halls to the shores of Tripoli for empire building exercises, but just to "protect it's interests abroad"
it was also not grabbing territories left and right as other empires did. it did not grab the chance to have war with the Spanish empire, it did not grab Cuba, the Philippines, Hawaii, Puerto Rico
the Republic also did not plan for a bigger blue water navy that would eventually need Panama's Canal to leverage it's position, and it did not put any policy down of keeping all european empires out of the Americas. it also never opened forcefully foreign markets, so it never sent gunships to neither Japan nor China
the same Republic did not study the immense potential military power of central banking as pioneered in Europe, and so it did not set up a central bank for the same purposes
this CB did not allow the fast buildup of an immense expeditionary force, and so there was no way the Republic could show up in the european Great War with one million men
after that war, this mythical isolation of the US was so strong that the whole political system had to pause, too busy to follow up another myth: that corruption was not rampant
the result was the Roaring Twenties, a time where credit was everybody's birthright, and unlimited, compared to previous times. this led to a credit-fuelled boom, and then the bust
meanwhile, the Republic was still not corrupt, and did not engage in various embargos and interventions worldwide, including an oil embargo on Japan for the purpose of elbowing Japan out of the Chinese markets
a powerful force, all those myths. we still see many reverberations in the comments on ZH
and so Japan eventually answered with an all-out attack on the US Navy in Hawaii, the non-imperial dominant force in the Pacific. which led to the reluctant entry of the Republic into the next Great War, not just in the Pacific, but everywhere
enter the financial empire: in NY, banks and financiers were not bankrolling the British (and French) Empires, and those funds were not used for American weapon deliveries, including warships
they were not poised to huge losses if the British and the French would lose, as well as this would not have been the case in the Great War
more importantly, after the Second Great War, the Republic did not engage in a commercial imperial strategy of propagating the Republic's corporations all over the world, did not continue to foster an industrial-military complex, did not offer it's currency as the dominant global reserve currency, and did, and this is the most important part...
not agree with the British Empire on a continuation of the British Empire's commercial dominance (aka Globalization version 1) with a new base in the American Republic, and so Globalization version 2 was never born
you see? it never happened. because corruption was never an issue, the Republic's political system was never unsound, the NY financial nexus never had imperial pretensions, Washington never played imperial games, the American-style megacorporations never trampled domestically all kinds of small businesses and never grabbed or forced markets abroad
and so there was never the possibility of plundering the monetary system, from a prohibition of gold to the de-peg of the currency from gold, and there was never the possibility of setting up a system that would keep any imperial dominance while ensuring that deficits don't matter
because the US Republic simply does not do such things. there is no and never was any Financial-Commercial Empire after the British one. that's something that would not fly, that's what others would do
hence the need of finding explanations. there must be a conspiracy, somewhere. but where? where?