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China Blasts Obama's "Paranoid, Narrow-Minded, Arrogant, & Hypocritical" Foreign Policy
Yeah but apart from that, US-China relations are excellent. Following President Obama's barbed comments aimed at China's new counter-terrorism laws (and their implications for US tech companies - as NSA spying 'facts' reduce China's appetite for American-made IT products), Beijing has blasted back. In one of the least holds-barred undiploatic statements in recent times, China (speaking through its official mouthpiece Xinhua), calls Obama's criticism "utterly groundless and another piece of evidence of arrogance and hypocrisy of the U.S. foreign policy." And with that they are just getting started...
Full statement (via Xinhua)
U.S. President Barack Obama's criticism of the upcoming counterterrorism law of China is utterly groundless and another piece of evidence of arrogance and hypocrisy of the U.S. foreign policy.
Although the enactment of a Chinese law is an entirely internal affair of China, Obama insisted that the measure, which would require technology firms to give Chinese authorities surveillance access in order to collect intelligence about terrorists, is "something they are going to have to change if they are to do business with the United States".
To begin with, the provisions are written for and solely for acquiring more and better counterterrorism intelligence, as China is facing severe threats from various domestic terrorists, for instance, the so-called "East Turkestan Liberation Organization."
Terrorists nowadays use more and more modern technologies for communications and collaboration. And it has become a common practice in many Western countries, including the U.S. itself, to keep a close watch on the Internet and telecommunication networks for possible hints of terrorism and other criminal activities.
The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National Security Agency both have access to the equipment of major U.S. technology firms.
FBI Director James Comey publicly warned companies like Apple and Google in 2014 against using encryption that the law enforcement authorities cannot break.
While defending the legitimacy and necessity of similar behaviors in his own country, Obama's criticism of Chinese counterterrorism law obviously shows selfishness and hypocrisy of the U.S. foreign policy.
Secondly, the surveillance of terrorism actions on equipment of the Internet and telecommunication companies in China will be carried out strictly in accordance with the law.
And with transparent procedures, China's anti-terrorism campaign will be different from what the United States has done: letting the surveillance authorities run amok and turn counterterrorism into paranoid espionage and peeping on its civilians and allies.
In fact, the same paranoid and narrow-mindedness, as demonstrated by the over-action of Obama and his cabinet members to the provisions in the Chinese anti-terrorism law, has also denied Chinese technology companies' access to the U.S. market.
Contrary to the accusations of the United States, China's anti-terror law will put no unfair regulatory pressures on foreign companies, because the provisions will apply to both domestic and foreign firms.
Moreover, to win the global fight against terrorism, Obama and his government should treat China on equal terms and stop making foreign policies based on realpolitik and the short term pursuit of its own unilateral interests.
Less than three weeks after Obama held the "counterterrorism summit" in Washington and referred terrorism as one the greatest threats in this generation, the president has begun to slam the counter-terrorism efforts of another country, which makes people naturally question the real intentions of such accusations.
China's new counterterrorism law can help fight terrorism in a better and more effective way. Any setback of terrorists is a victory of all countries.
The sooner Obama and his government understand this, the better will the world benefit.
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Our Nooba in Chief?!
Do as we say, not as we do!
They are just jealous because Obama won the Nobel Peace Prize.
Obama fired back.....it's Bushes fault.
..Maybe its time to send Obama back to the country where his foreign student loan application originated.
region of hell
fixed it
To summarize Xinhua:
Fluck you USSA!
Undeniable proof that Putin killed Nemtzov.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/B-69n8CW8AEdMn-.jpg
That was hilarious! +10
One thing Barry has taught me, if I relive my life and apply to college again, I'm checking off the box, "African-American female, Kenya."
You just have to love the Chinese lack of poltically-corect !! Telling the empire precisely where it can get off . Russia , please take note !
whatever happened to AnAnalogous Anus, he was a fun chicom bot to bat around?
I think the last time AnAnonymous posted a comment was in December sometime.
He always seemed like the exact opposite of a quitter, so perhaps he just suffered a complete mental breakdown as a result of US citizenism overload.
Even as 'unusual' as his comments could be, some were actually insightful gems.
I kind of miss his presence, especially as a balance to some of the rah-rah-patriot types.
I suppose if you can be transgender...you can be trans-national....I am an eskimo from Antarctic with American Indian Parents who were both transgender...Democrats....can I get free college and a government job which I will retire from before going to it and a lifetime of free stuff, money and housing?
this is fantastic, probably the most direct indictment of washingtons bullshit by the chinese to date. certainly starting to act like they have bigger balls. maybe theyve finally stacked 10,000 tons of AU and are getting ready to sink the dollar. dare to dream right.
oh yeah one more thing. fuck you moneychanging neocon NSA steal all my goddamn rights motherfuckers i hope putin and xi lynch the whole lot of you. beijing trials coming your way motherfuckers.
Does anyone in the US government understand what hypocrisy is?
ZH has its fair share of hypocrites as well. [which will be PROVEN by a sifting of junks that this comment will attract].
I just got it started for you.
Yeah ~ Everyone's a saint here... Not one hypocrite ever in the history of the site...
Mostly trolls who come and go by different names. They get called out, get bored, lose their funding or just can't stand that their attempts at disrupting the site fail miserably. You've been here for about 3 weeks, hardly enough time to make such an inflammatory assessment. Try commenting on the topic for a while before you start flaming the site.
sure pal
"Try commenting on the topic for a while"
FYI ~ The TOPIC [in question] had to do with 'hypocrisy'. My comment was directly related to that subject.
The topic was the hypocrisy of government foreign policy. As no one here is part of the government (perhaps excluding you) and you provided no evidence to back up your claim, you did not address the topic.
What the government does affects billions. What is said on ZH is merely entertainment and venting. Show some perspective.
leave FS alone, he's a folk hero to some around here. /s
You seem to feel the need to 'school' someone like myself [using the '3 week member'] defense, which suggestively is INFERIOR to your 5+ year member status.
Yet, it would be quite easy to make a long list of commenters of long tenure on ZH that almost make it a habit of 'cherry picking' issues. Many &/or most of these topics have to do with governments & foreign policy, so I would consider ANY comment that attached itself to that subject [&/or especially calls into questions the motives of the people making the comments is valid, especially when you consider that the 'body of work' could, over time be either richly considered, or, not noteworthy, & which essentially places that person squarely into the hypocrite category when publishing opinions of government policies, etc. in the future.
I have no problems with ZH. But your comment to me which implies that the only hypocrites who ever dropped comments on ZH were 'trolls' who have come & gone, is FALSE.
That is my perspective.
If ZH is going to be a TRUTH SITE, then I believe it is rather important for some 'self policing' to be done.
There are apparently a number of 'folks' who were ticked off by my original comment [including yourself]. What that indicates to me is that there are a lot of stone throwers out there who apparently don't live in glass houses. If that's the TRUTH, then congrats. If it's NOT the truth. Then one could say that the problems of hypocricy are ubiquitous.
That's my last comment on the subject.
"That's my last comment on the subject."
Finally!
BTW, you don't have to come to ZH if you find it so lacking. As for 'self-policing,' you first.
Sayyyyy, may I borrow that broad brush when you're done painting with it?
The problem with you trolls is you completely lack creativity.. Always the same song and dance - reply to posts that do not coincide with the MSM agenda on "hot topics". Inevitably baiting the unconventional minded into defending their view.
At this point you trolls pathetically argue completely erroneous off topic points driving the conversation further and further away from the once intelligent free thinking conversation. Furthermore, the latter responses of the trolls no longer argue the topic @ hand but their previous comments and the validity.
Case and point your above post...
This is why I follow and continue to read ZH. Majority of ZH'ers see through this pathetic attempt to deter thinking and simply ignore it.
Trolling does not work on the "unconventional thinkers"
"Everything we hear is opinion, not fact; everything we see it perspective, not reality" - Marcus Aurelius
quote: "Does anyone in the US government understand what hypocrisy is?"
Answer: It all depends upon what the meaning of "is" is.
We alienated some folks..
A minor tiff between crime cartel bosses. Not yet to the point of open warfare, as with the Mexican Sinaloa and Zeta drug cartels.
As US interests control or support or finance or house or shelter or populate or protect or all of the above.
It's no surprise Barak would want no interference.
so.. what are they going to do about it?
Two gang bosses negotiating territory.
Time to start intering the Chinese and Russians here
Rinse repeat
But who then will buy overpriced real estate in Pasadena!?
They are in America - they've already interned themselves.
It is reassuring to know that the US government aka the "smegma-kids" has its finger on the N-button. This will deter all those evil aggressors worldwide who would otherwise invade the northamerican landmass in no time.
Sell your treasury holdings China or shut the fuck up.
They don't need to dump the USTs, they've already been monetized and rehypothecated, all dumping does is eliminate Chinese leverage and the global "respectability" of being the USSA's largest foreign creditor...
Bullshit, see "justobserving's" comments below.
If it's all bullshit, then there is no "global respectability" anymore.
like all government debt it's a big fucking joke, trade is the only thing that matters now...
"Respectability" is important for those who seek to raise their standing amongst their peers, it has nothing to with sitting around and singing kumbayah- it's cutthroat zero-sum realpolitik, and why the Chinese are attacking the respectability of those they seek to displace.
Banking, Trade, and Foreign Policy are distinct but intertwined aspects to Chinese positioning.
"Respectabiliy" is important overall because it is an instinctive human behavior.
Once you slap a man's beer out of his hand you're kinda committed....
Thank you! I'm adding this phrase to my repitoire.
LOL! Nice, add that to my "Everyone has a plan right up until they are punched in the face..." list.
That quote alone makes Tyson immortal... ear-biting fool that he is, but don't tell him I said it!
he might eat your children
And grandchildren. You got it.
Silicon Valley is in a panic following an announcement that China is considering sweeping counterterrorism legislation. The law would require tech companies to provide the Chinese government with NSA-like access to private data, terms the industry may be forced to accept if they want to do business in the world’s most populated country.
The Edward Snowden revelations about the American spying apparatus have numerous impacts. One of the latest is a decision by the Chinese government to terminate contracts with a number of major US-based technology brands. This could stem from news that the NSA installed spyware into the products of major US technology companies, thus using these brands as tools of US intelligence agencies.
> Sell your treasury holdings China or shut the fuck up.
1. Why should they? Maybe they have plans to do so, but they prefer to get as much "value" from the sale by selling in incremental amounts so as not to spook the "Market"?
2. Xinhua is just expressing an opinion (albeit that of the Ruling Faction). Those of who work with Chinese colleagues know how they think (actions count, talk is cheap).
3. With increased Sino-Russian co-operation, especially in view of "recent US-led developments", there will be much more to this than we are privy to. Both China AND Russia hold US debt, and both are very aware that "US Law" permits the extinguishment of such debt held by a "Foreign" Nation, should "War be declared between the US and that Nation".
Many (here, and elsewhere) VERY strongly suspect that this may be one major reason behind US belligerence - the opportunity to "extinguish" significant chunks of debt simply by "Declaring War" against the holders of said debt - entirely "legal" under US law, you will note. Unfortunately for the US, all China / Russia have to do is point out that the US has actually defaulted on the debt (International Law), and "Game Over" . . . .
As Snowden revealed, the US was illegally collecting more than 99 billion pieces of intelligence illegally a month - and that was years ago. US spying is almost infinite and a threat to all those who prefer to resist US domination.
Meanwhile the Nobel Prize Winner has bombed seven Muslim countries, destabilized Ukraine and is sending a battalion there, and attempted a coup in Venezuela last month.
And Obama almost started a major war with Syria based on lies about sarin as Seymour Hersh revealed:
Pulitzer Prize-winning investigative journalist Seymour Hersh has published an article demonstrating that the US government and President Barack Obama knowingly lied when they claimed that the Syrian government had carried out a sarin gas attack on insurgent-held areas last August.
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/12/10/pers-d10.html
The terrorists are the US.
Not the US. The government.
my boots stay in the closet til i gotta go do a chore in the yard.
ot. looks like the markets are getting toppy. maybe we are finally getting to a tipping point.
mmmmmmmaaaaaaaaaaaayyyyyyyyyyyybbbbbbbbbbbbeeeeeeeeeeee
Corrective but not toppy; can't let THAT $hit happen, after all, we are the exception. ;-)
Please be-otch; WE the people allowed that $hit and are just as much to blame (especially mofo progressives and neo-cons).
The progressives infesting the US government.
Grimaldus
Yep. Both parties. And never forget that "progressives" is just a word they use to disguise their true worldview, which is - say it with me - MARXIST.
How about "We have met the terrorists, and they are US."
or, as we like to call it in DC, "Wednesday"...
Obama Attacks China for Creating US-Inspired Spying Apparatus ( Hypocrisy at its best )
President Obama has harsh words for China’s proposed counterterrorism law. This despite the fact that the new rules are modeled largely on the US regulations, and more directly, on the precedent set by the NSA’s spying apparatus.
China released a few demands last week. If US tech companies want to do business in China – and given the market size, yes, tech companies want to do business in China – then they’ll have to place servers in China. They’ll also have to provide encryption keys, and allow the Chinese government special surveillance access into their systems.
President Obama is, understandably, a little wary. Tech companies are weary. Giving a global superpower “backdoor” access to servers used by millions of people feels a bit like Big Brother. It’s uncomfortably dystopian.
© FLICKR/ PETER MACKEY Silicon Valley Panic: China Demands NSA-Like Access and ControlBut as the Snowden documents revealed, this is exactly the kind of unfettered access enjoyed by the United States.
“This is something that I’ve raised directly with President Xi,” Obama told Reuters. “We have made it very clear to them that this is something they are going to have to change if they are to do business with the United States.”
This is a very different tune than the one sung earlier this year, when both President Obama and Prime Minister David Cameron expressed their intention to pressure tech giants into cooperating with Western intelligence agencies.
“We’re still going to have to find ways to make sure that if an al-Qaeda affiliate is operating in Great Britain or the United States that we can try to prevent real tragedy,” Obama said during a joint news conference. “And I think the companies want to see that as well. They’re patriots, they have families that they want to see protected.”
© AP PHOTO/ EVAN VUCCIThough these two statements are spaced only six weeks apart, they couldn’t be further at odds with each other. On the one hand, Obama sees digital surveillance as a crucial tool of patriotism, vitally necessary to stem the tide of terrorism both foreign and domestic.
On the other hand: not when China does it.
Coincidentally, this dire need for national security is the same tactic taken by the Chinese government. In calling for this counterterror law, leaders in Beijing cite the dangers posed by religious extremists in the region of Xinjiang.
“As you might imagine tech companies are not going to be willing to do that,” Obama told Reuters.
© REUTERS/ KEVIN LAMARQUE Obama Supports U.K. Request to Pressure Tech Giants on Security CooperationBut many tech companies have done that in the past. As the Guardian reported in 2013, the Snowden documents revealed that Microsoft provided the NSA with direct access to encrypted messages. Even last year, both the FBI and NSA warned Internet companies not to use encryptions that law enforcement couldn’t crack.
Given that China is one of the world’s largest, rising economies, it may prove too tempting a market for tech companies to ignore. Especially if these “new” business conditions are ones they’ve already been forced to follow for years, now.
Why do I feel like the word 'patriotism' gives me a bad taste in my mouth these days?..
:/
Another well thought out strategy by barry. The second largest ... and shrinking ... economy threatening the largest economy that they won't have access to the US markets unless they get on their knees like congressmen blowing Netanyahoo.
The list of unsavory accomplishments by the Nobel Peace Prize winner runs on and on.
Obama and his administration have supported a military coup in Honduras,
pressured Japan to abandon its anti-war Constitution and re-arm,
protected its Gulf oil "allies" while they fund and spread xenophobic extremism,
armed extremist groups to overthrow the Syrian government,
overseen the State Department with a primary mission to promote US arms sales instead of diplomacy,
approved an Orwellian "Defense " Department to aggressively seek global "full-spectrum dominance",
backed and supplied Israel to bomb Gaza civilians,
killed "collateral" civilians and children with drone assassinations,
shielded ostensible war criminals from prosecution,
repeatedly mocked foreign leaders and lied about events and evidence,
refused to respect Iranian legal rights and properly negotiate with Iran,
continued economic and diplomatic warfare against Cuba in defiance of world opinion,
militarily occupied Afghanistan and Kosovo while they serve as major global crime and drug centers,
and ...
Officially, the Nobel Peace Prize is to be awarded to some one who has
"done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations,
for the abolition or reduction of standing armies
and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses."
What a farce the Nobel Peace Prize has become in the hands of militarist and hawkish Norwegian politicians.
"The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) and the National Security Agency both have access to the equipment of major U.S. technology firm"
Here's my take away. If the FBI and the NSA have access to equipment (and I'm sure databases via. "support" arrangements with major db vendors)
Then I am DAMN sure that the big money Wall Streets have the same access OR direct access to those who HAVE access.
China isn't known for making bold statements.
It goes against the grain.
Are you sure the Chinese said this?
I get nervous when the old cat stretches it paws.
Speech was written in Peruvian Embassy.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-03/04/c_134036304.htm
In a world where up is down, truth is lies. Do you really know who said what ? welcome to the CIA.
When China talks American it's not Chinese.
Just like American chinese food.
oh look, spring plowing has started in Sichuan... with single-blade horse drawn plows... how quaint... I'm surprised they don't have their wives & kids pulling them...
Those "quaint" people only use horse drawn plows part of the time. They spend the rest of their time dumping US treasuries and converting them into gold.
lol check out that downvote action... I see the "spling prowring" crowd is out in force today...
In a few more years you will have dumped the engine from your ford pickup and will be towing it with a horse.
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2015-03/04/c_134036304.htm
They said it. And hell yes they are pissed and I would be too. China is doing what the gov is doing.
...In one of the least holds-barred undiploatic statements in recent times...
Please start proof-reading your work.
LOL. I saw a sign once "caution roadwok ahead". Par for the course.
Obama .... always looking out for his Muslim buddies !
China's counter terrorism law wil crimp or even cripple the CIAs efforts, that is why Obama is speaking out.
Fuck Obama...he's just a paid stooge. The more important thing is fucking up the CIA/NSA's little game.
I pray for a backlash, and an ongoing effort to keep pulling the rug out from their efforts to monitor our lives. Hopefully all their antics will unleash some of that entrepreneurial spirit, and we'll see a flood of new technologies that resist the monitoring, or can be installed on your device to block it. A nice touch would be a message that pops up saying, "Nice try asshole!".
I pray for a day when they discover they can't keep up...every time they work around one new technology, 20 more pop up in it's place. Keep 'em so busy trying, that they can't actually collect anything.
I wish they had called me up to write that piece for them.
I would have had a field day...
I'm curious what's the coolest place that you've seen your work show up. Has anyone used any of it in "official" documents. I'm sure your images show up all over the internet via individuals reposting, but do you know if its elsewhere?
The surest way to get crucified in anyone of these shit piles we read of everyday is to put a Banzai7 image in an official document.
"Does the United States of America bows to the People’s Republic of China?"
http://www.arabiangazette.com/usa-bows-china/
Obama will do his bow-down move again.
Perhaps Obama was making an apologetic gesture - he, like Hilary Rotten Clinton, says tons of bad things (false accusations or insinuations) about other leaders behind their back whenever given a chance.
About time for those ISIL guys in pick up trucks to create a terrorist event in China.
Well known fact and previously observed both domestically and abroad by many others, including some major loons who just come right out and say it:
"Obama always goes reckless in words and deeds like a monkey in a tropical forest."
When Preezy's feeling paranoid, doesn't he normally go drone some folks?
AIPAC makes US foreign policy, not Obama or any other US president AIPAC chooses to install.
They're doing a really shitty job lately..
Well, I gotta say that I'm pretty disappointed in the Chinese leadership. It took them six years to state the obvious, when I was saying before that jug-eared catamite was elected to office.
Time to repatriate jobs to the U.S. and end the slave labor arbitrage market.
Yes, that might be possible now that we have imported our own slave labor class.
FUCK anything said by Fuckbama....
And to the Chinese..sell your treasuries bitchez.....otherwise....FUCK YOU TOO!
Pot meet kettle.
Is it ever a wonder as to why Type Writer sales have increased in Germany. Long on Carrier Pigeon's.
You didn't create those terrorist!
Because China's own Paranoid, Narrow-Minded, Arrogant, & Hypocritical Foreign Policy is a lot different.
That's some rather strong language there from the Chinese... rather humiliating for the Nobel Prize Winner... lol
everyone at Cisco went for an early liquid lunch. Barry has just fucked another quarter for them.
Washington D.C. is the center the headquarters for global terrorism activities. I don't get all the public B.S. why would the idiots even refor to the horrors they are committing.
"“We have made it very clear to them that this is something they are going to have to change if they are to do business with the United States.”
Right...make threats you have no hope of enacting...smart move.
I hope China jumps all over this...they know how to make stuff. Let them start making their own tech devices, and advertise them as free from NSA 'extras'...they won't be able to keep up with demand, and their best customers will be here in the US...(yeah, I know the Chinese can monitor too, but what am I more concerned about? Some guy in Shanghai reading my emails, or an NSA stooge right here, who can fuck with my life?)
Sell them through some shell company so they aren't coming from China directly. Kill off the American companies who work with the NSA, and flood the market with devices that can't be easily monitored.
Then call Obama and say, "What now, Einstein?"
There is no sense making threats. Chinese manufacturers could flood the market with devices that can be more easily be monitored-by-the-Chines and compete with the NSA.
<<...and flood the market with devices that can't be easily monitored.>>
Imagine seeing all of the private emails, telephone conversations and fax transmissions of your favorite politician made available through an online auction.
By doing this, the Chinese would be achieving one of Dear Leader's major claims. You Americans would REALLY have "The Most Transparent Administration Ever", and you'd be very pleasantly surprised to see just how beneficial REAL public oversight can be. "We the People" running the show, rather than the present "We the Well-Connected" . . . .
Things generally (and Politics in particular) would be much, much different, and much, much better for one and all should this ever happen.
The US is doing a great job of alienating most of the world. Only a few imperialist countries like Britain, Canada, and Australia are still sticking with them. The clamour for war will not be heard -a waking global population prefer the BRICS option to the Anglo/US axis.
This Canadian isn't and there are more like myself. What Ottawa does or does not do is beyond my control, but I'll be damned if I pay coin or follow the leader with the on going war mongering machine and hypcritical control freaks in DC. Send congress to Israel or Ukraine or Syria to help them instead of the young.
Political leaders should be forced to send their entire families, and themselves to the front lines to fight in the wars they deem necessary. Obama couldn't even carry my pack, nor would I trust him with a weapon anywhere near me.
Entirely agree and as a Brit I can only reflect on the fact that we are well and truly fucked over here regardless of what party is currently in power. I've long believed that sometime around 1945, a secret protocol was agreed between the UK and the US, that basically said regardless of the issue, the UK would support the US. I'm not talking Bretton Woods, but something more unwholesome and sickening.Only the Labour premier Harold Wilson had a big enough pair to tell LBJ to take a hike, instead of sending UK troops to 'Nam. I've never been able to confirm this idea, but then the UK Civil Service is the most secretive in the world. With Camoron and Millipede it will be business as usual regardless of who wins the next election, not least because Camoron is married to one of the high-caste Chosen and Millipede is a member of the Chosen. No math required, just arithmetic.
Don't expect any miracles of enlightenment from "The Great Southern Land".
The vast majority here (got to be 95%++), STILL are certain Putin's a mass-murderer, and "Putin did it" re the MH-17 incident. LOTS of enthusiasm for the US decision to place a battalion in Ukraine - "That'll show the Russkies we mean business" being one of the more "polite" comments I've heard re this development.
Mind you, when I mention the likely effects of a very nuclear WW3, everyone (really, EVERYONE) is adamant that "We'll be just fine down under" . . . . . .
It would be nice to think that "The Adults" are running the show. Obviously not the case now, and looking back over history, maybe it has never been the case.
Our past, present and future - from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EX98axPJImM February 1978 . . . . . .
Chingalings vs. the crips
Great timing right here.
The US got its dirty laundry leaked that it has backdoors for anything that operates on US soil (and desires to stay there).
China gets to demand the same, while at the same time easily demonstrating that they are not nearly as extreme and outrageous as the US already is.
But with the economy in the shitter... that's what makes it golden. How many tech companies are willing to give up on the Chinese market? How many are willing to see strong Chinese competitors make their way to the world scene while they are still bound by secret agreements that the world is wary of?
China can use this to spy all they want, as as long as they don't cross any major lines and make an ass out of themselves, they'll get away with it... because the US is doing literally everything everyone is afraid that China wants to maybe do. Of course, China's not going to be drone bombing you anytime soon, or using a bullshit legal system to attack foreign competitors.
"China gets to demand the same, while at the same time easily demonstrating that they are not nearly as extreme and outrageous as the US already is."
The Chinese wrote the book on despotism and still hold the record for "Death by Government" They murdered millions and millions of their own citizens. Your statement is ludicrous.
Give obama and the progressives a chance, they will kill millions also.
Grimaldus
Will kill millions? What do you think Obama and friends have been doing all over the world for the last six years? Their goal behind this is to not to kill millions, but billions.
Marxism is the religion of psychopathy.
I'm glad the Chinese feel obliged to comment on demand.
None of this is scripted.
It's all real.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l6QXQSSTJuU
China should just complain to Netanyahu. He seems to be the puppeteer in charge. Yesterday our politicians all looked like they had strings attached. Already Rand is catching hell from the neocon media because he didn't look enthusiastic enough when he was clapping for Bibi. This has really crossed into the surreal, like North Korea.
The price required by Netanyahu is simply not worth paying. The Chinese have been carefully observing Israel vs US for years.
So let me get this straight. Murdering Chinese tyrants don't like US murdering tyrants. Ok.
That is the classic recipe for war in which the criminal leftist governments will kill millions----- as history shows. Progressives are the face of death.
And not one goddamn constitutional conservative in sight anywhere. All progressive murdering tyrants as far as the eye can see. We are really hosed.
Grimaldus
Do you seriously think this has anything to do with right vs left? Progressive vs conservative?
This mindset is distortive. Instead, try right vs wrong.
I think Grimaldus was saying there were no constitutional conservatives anywhere to be found (on either side of the aisle).
Personally, I'd be ok seeing Rand get a shot though. I know he's trying to blend into the republican fold, but I think he learned from the way his father was marginalized that "if you can't beat them, join them".
I truly believe (hope) that this is just a ploy to get into office and then change course to his true constitutional roots....
You think elections matter?
It is like the Chinese system of totalitarian capitalism is leading the western system to where it's ruling elites would like the western system to go. But in general there is enough arrogance and hypocrisy to go around for everyone at the top, but it is us little people that pay any and all costs for their foreign policies. What is wrong with this picture seeing as it is now the 21st century.
I thought hypocrisy was one of our ideals ?
I hate american chinese food.
Billy Idol is thinking about filing copywrite infringement charges against the Ministry of Truth.
The following is under investigation -
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FG1NrQYXjLU
America is dancing with itself around the world.
One would think that the Chinese government would at least be smart enough to build provision(s) for two sets of "iPhones"...
iPhones with standards and encryption for the people of China and those that wish to follow their lead?...
And iPhones that use NSA encryption standard(s) for all the rest or should I say ALL THE "West"!!!
Problem solved!...
In the meantime China and Russia start building your own "internet"!!!
It's rather pleasant to see citizens give their tacit approval to the ussa spying and bullying by its 'intelligence' industry simply on the basis that the internet was developed here.
This whole encryption thing is going to end when consumers realize that massive storage is almost free and one-time pad encryption can be had at the individual level.
8000 years old culture compared to indonwsian kenyan moron lgbt puppet and his "nation".
Wow, they managed to eat, excrete, reproduce and pollute the shit out of their chunk of dirt for 8,000 years, color me impressed...
SMACK!!!!!!
Luckylongshot:ask them about irony, and see the puzzled faces.
I really hate leftover american chinese food.
Took the words right out of my mouth.
Jeezus, I've taught citizenship classes to Latino immigrants who had a better handle on US foreign policy than that stumble bum.
one wonders when all this talking will stop.
Obama recently held a large conference with Mulim leaders.
China is right, Obama is up to no good.
He does not mean what he says.
African Leaders conference in US
Obama flashes Muslim gang sign with group.
http://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2015/02/obama_and_the_muslim_gan...
You really think China snaps to every word uttered by Obozo?
Young fool.
You misunderstand.
I don't think that at all.
I think they laugh at him and know what he is up to.
Take a look at the link I sent
That is what he is up to, opposite of what MSM reports.
"Oligarchy (from Greek ????????? (oligarkhía); from ?????? (olígos), meaning "few", and ???? (arkho), meaning "to rule or to command")[1][2][3] is a form of power structure in which power effectively rests with a small number of people. These people could be distinguished by royalty, wealth, family ties, education, corporate, religious or military control. Such states are often controlled by a few prominent families who typically pass their influence from one generation to the next, but inheritance is not a necessary condition for the application of this term.
Throughout history, oligarchies have often been tyrannical (relying on public obedience and/or oppression to exist). Aristotle pioneered the use of the term as a synonym for rule by the rich,[4] for which the exact term is plutocracy. However, oligarchy is not always rule by the wealthy, as oligarchs can simply be a privileged group, and do not have to be connected by either wealth or by bloodlines – as in a monarchy."
Thanks to Wikipedia....
Read and reread that description until you really understand it and it becomes an intrinsic part part of your world view because that is the form of government humanity has suffered under for 5000 years. Just laugh when you hear and come acroos the words monarchy, communism, democracy, republic, etc. and try to clear your mind of the programming you have been subjected to since preschool.
This global war of the ruling gangs (billionaire controlled oligarchies) of Russia, China, US and all the rest of the worlds countries should be seen for what it is.....internecine warfare between rival gangs of oppressors controlling their respective populations. These "states" are all just parasitical blood sucking organisations of allied sociopaths. The US, UK, EU, Israel super gang is trying to impose its will on all the others mainly through its monetary monopoly and miliatry might.
Russia and China are mainly whimpering about not being given an equal seat at the the table of spoils distribution and US tolerance of their systems of citizen repression within their own borders.
Unfortunately if you live in the US you are living under and victimized by the most successful repressive regime on the planet.
"China is facing severe threats from various domestic terrorists, for instance, the so-called "East Turkestan Liberation Organization"... Of course, but East Turkestan Liberation Organization is a CIA operation,
China seems to like to state the obvious.
So China is not going to purchase Cisco and Microsoft because China needs more security.
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and its Obama's fault????
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when do we get our Utopian leadership Jeb?
No worries for spy chief Obama. Intel will provide enough backdoors.
Intel Buys Its Way Deeper Into China - The company is spending billions on factories and state-owned rivals
26 February 2015, by Christina Larson (Bloomberg)
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-02-26/in-china-intel-spends-billions-chasing-qualcomm
of course CN has no idea what Intel is about.
lmao
Ok so Obama and his admin of smiring hyenas including one horsefaced John Kohn Kerry are incompetent. They don't mean to be, its just that they are.
Can't the Chinese Gov't realize that the US citizens and illegals alike, have to put up with this dink toed, lgbt loser?
This fucking dink Obama...is in so far over his fucking empty melon it isnt funny, and if things keep gooing the way they are the "optics" aint gonna be pretty
Impeach this fucking mother fucker NOW..
Personalizing all this and pinning it on Obama is misleading.
Sure, Obama is an imbecile and anything else you can think of, but doing so may give the impression that it could change if you change the person who occupies the presidency.
The changes required are much deeper and difficult than the individual; the problem is endemic and systemic.
what is this "chicago way?" we only know the "chinese way".
Obama should go back to the basics cause he has everything all screwed up. He needs to read "How to win friends and influence people."