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Private Police: Mercenaries For The American Police State

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Submitted by John Whitehead via The Rutherford Institute,

Corporate America is using police forces as their mercenaries.”—Ray Lewis, Retired Philadelphia Police Captain

It’s one thing to know and exercise your rights when a police officer pulls you over, but what rights do you have when a private cop—entrusted with all of the powers of a government cop but not held to the same legal standards—pulls you over and subjects you to a stop-and-frisk or, worse, causes you to “disappear” into a Gitmo-esque detention center not unlike the one employed by Chicago police at Homan Square?

For that matter, how do you even begin to know who you’re dealing with, given that these private cops often wear police uniforms, carry police-grade weapons, and perform many of the same duties as public cops, including carrying out SWAT team raids, issuing tickets and firing their weapons.

This is the growing dilemma we now face as private police officers outnumber public officers (more than two to one), and the corporate elite transforms the face of policing in America into a privatized affair that operates beyond the reach of the Fourth Amendment.

Mind you, it’s not as if we had many rights to speak of, anyhow.

Owing to the general complacency of the courts and legislatures, the Fourth Amendment has already been so watered down, battered and bruised as to provide little practical protection against police abuses. Indeed, as I make clear in my book A Government of Wolves: The Emerging American Police State, we’re already operating in a police state in which police have carte blanche authority to probe, poke, pinch, taser, search, seize, strip and generally manhandle anyone they see fit in almost any circumstance. Expanding on these police powers, the U.S. Supreme Court recently gave law enforcement officials tacit approval to collect DNA from any person, at any time.

However, whatever scant protection the weakened Fourth Amendment provides us dissipates in the face of privatized police, who are paid by corporations working in partnership with the government. Talk about a diabolical end run around the Constitution.

We’ve been so busy worrying about militarized police, police who shoot citizens first and ask questions later, police who shoot unarmed people, etc., that we failed to take notice of the corporate army that was being assembled under our very noses. Looks like we’ve been outfoxed, outmaneuvered and we’re about to be out of luck.

Indeed, if militarized police have become the government’s standing army, privatized police are its private army—guns for hire, if you will. This phenomenon can be seen from California to New York, and in almost every state in between. According to the Bureau of Labor Statistics, the private security industry is undergoing a boom right now, with most of the growth coming about due to private police doing the jobs once held by public police. For instance, Foley, Minnesota, population 2600, replaced its police force with private guards

Technically, a private police force is one that is owned or controlled by a non-governmental body such as a corporation. Those who advocate for privatized services and limited government hail the shift towards private police as a step in the right direction by getting the government out of the business of policing and allow market principles to dictate an officer’s success, i.e., if an officer abuses his authority, he can easily be fired.

Read the fine print, however, and you’ll find that these private police aka guns-for-hire a.k.a. private armies a.k.a. company police officers a.k.a. secret police a.k.a. conservators of the police a.k.a. rent-a-cops don’t exactly remove the government from the equation. Instead, they merely allow them to work behind the scenes, conveniently insulated from any accusations of wrongdoing or demands for transparency. Indeed, most private police officers are either working for private security firms that are contracted by the government or are government workers moonlighting on their time off.

What began as a job detail for wealthy communities and businesses looking to discourage burglaries has snowballed into a lucrative enterprise for private corporations. Today these private police can be found wherever extra security is “needed”: at hospitals, universities, banks, shopping malls, gated communities, you name it.

As historian Heather Ann Thompson notes, “private security firms have come substantially to supplement, if not completely to replace, the publicly-funded public safety presence of troubled inner cities ranging from Oakland, to New Orleans, to small towns in states such Minnesota, to entire neighborhoods—sometimes extremely rich, sometimes desperately poor—in urban centers such as Atlanta and Baltimore.”

For example, in New Orleans, a 50-person private police squad funded by a “voluntary” hotel tax is being charged with enforcing traffic, zoning and other non-emergency laws in the French Quarter.

In Seattle, off-duty Seattle Police officers moonlighting as a private security force patrol wealthy neighborhoods “approximately six nights/days a week for five hours each shift. Officers are in uniform, carry police radios and their police firearms and drive unmarked personal vehicles.”

In California, private mercenaries—many of them ex-U.S. Special Forces, Army Rangers and other combat veterans—equipped with AR-15 rifles use unmarked helicopters to police cannabis farms and cut down private gardens without a warrant.

Yet while these private police firms enjoy the trappings of government agencies—the weaponry, the arrest and shoot authority, even the ability to ticket and frisk— they’re often poorly trained, inadequately screened, poorly regulated and heavily armed. Now if that sounds a lot like public police officers, you wouldn’t be far wrong.

First off, the label of “private” is dubious at best. Mind you, this is a far cry from a privatization of police. These are guns for hire, answerable to corporations who are already in bed with the government. They are extensions of the government without even the pretense of public accountability. One security consultant likened the relationship between public and private police to public healthcare: “It’s basically, the government provides a certain base level. If you want more than that, you pay for it yourself.”

 

The University of Chicago’s police department (UCPD) is a prime example of how private security firms are being entrusted with the legal status of private police forces (which sets them beyond the reach of the rule of law) and the powers of public ones. With a jurisdiction that covers a six-square-mile area and is home to 65,000 individuals, the majority of whom are not students, UCPD is one of the largest private security forces in America.

 

The private police agency, modeled after the tactics of NYPD chief William Bratton, criminalizes nonviolent activities such as loitering, vandalism, smoking marijuana, and ?dancing “reck?l?essly” and punishes minor infractions severely in order to “discourage” violent crime. To this end, the UCPD can search, ticket, arrest, and detain anyone they choose without being required to disclose to the public its reasons for doing so. Not surprisingly, the UCPD has been accused of using racial profiling to target individuals for stop-and-frisks.

 

Second, these private contractors are operating beyond the reach of the law. For example, although private police in Ohio are “authorized by the state to carry handguns, use deadly force and detain, search and arrest people,” they are permitted to keep their arrest and incident reports under wraps. Moreover, the public is not permitted to “check the officers’ background or conduct records, including their use-of-force and discipline histories.” As attorney Fred Gittes remarked, “There is no accountability. They have the greatest power that society can invest in people — the power to use deadly force and make arrests. Yet, the public and public entities have no practical access to information about their behavior, eluding the ability to hold anyone accountable.”

 

So what happens when the government hires out its dirty deeds to contractors who aren’t quite so discriminating about abiding by constitutional safeguards, especially as they relate to searches and heavy-handed tactics? If you think police abuses are worrisome, security expert Bruce Schneier warns that “abuses of power, brutality, and illegal behavior are much more common among private security guards than real police.”

 

As Schneier points out, “Many of the laws that protect us from police abuse do not apply to the private sector. Constitutional safeguards that regulate police conduct, interrogation and evidence collection do not apply to private individuals. Information that is illegal for the government to collect about you can be collected by commercial data brokers, then purchased by the police. We've all seen policemen ‘reading people their rights’ on television cop shows. If you're detained by a private security guard, you don't have nearly as many rights.”

 

Third, more often than not, the same individuals are serving in both capacities, first on the government payroll, then moonlighting for the corporations. Not surprisingly, given the demand for private police, you’ll find that police in most cities work privately while they are off-duty. Some private officers started off as public officers, then made the switch once they saw how lucrative the field could be.

 

This gives rise to another interesting phenomenon, a schism, if you will, between what is permissible in the private sector versus and what is allowed in the public sector, and how it affects those who travel between both worlds. We saw this played out in St. Louis, Missouri, when an off-duty police officer, working a secondary shift for a private security firm, shot and killed a teenager.

 

Fourth, what few realize is that these private police agencies are actually given their police powers by state courts and legislatures, which do not require them to act in accordance with the Constitution’s strictures or be accountable to “we the people.” As legal analyst Timothy Geigner observes, “They're hiding from public scrutiny behind the veil of incorporation, which may rank right up there among the most cynical things a government organization has ever done. It's a move one might find in the corporate republic of some dystopian novel. I say that because it's truly not as though the police departments in question are attempting to claim some kind of exemption within public records law. They're just putting up a stone wall.”

 

It’s not as if we have much in the way of local, publicly accountable police forces now; they all answer to the militarized agencies that provide their equipment and training. These private cops simply swell the government’s ranks and serve as the private arm of the law.

 

In fact, the Department of Justice has been one of the most vocal advocates for the benefits that private security—which has twice the budget and manpower as their government counterparts—can provide in partnership with public police. These so-called “benefits” are outlined in the DOJ’s guidebook entitled “Operation Partnership: Practices and Trends in Law Enforcement and Private Security Collaborations,” which focuses on how both sectors can share cutting-edge technology, information, and personnel resources. Sounds cozy, doesn’t it?

As history shows, we’re not forging a new path with these private police agencies, either. In fact, we’re simply following a model established long ago, not only by Hitler and Mussolini, who relied on private guards to do their bidding, but also by the likes of Andrew Carnegie and John D. Rockefeller, who relied on their own private police force, the Pinkertons, who had broad authority to “harass or hurt anyone their employers deemed a threat—be they a worker trying to get a fair wage or a poor person begging near the doorstep of a mansion.”

Nevertheless as historian Heather Ann Thompson points out, “despite countless historical accounts of why private policing of public spaces is a bad idea in a democracy, ordinary Americans have raised little ruckus today when, once again, only those Americans with money are assured access to security and protection.” Thompson continues:

Worse, astonishing faith has been expressed in the much-touted proposition that private police forces, in fact, act in the best interests of the public. Where is the concern, if not the outrage, that there is virtually no regulation when it comes to private policing in America's inner cities? Not only can individuals with little if any training police public spaces, but in various locales they are even authorized to make arrests and wield firearms. What is more, unlike public police, private security officers are not required by law to read a suspect his or her Miranda Rights and, more incredibly, they are allowed to use force, in some circumstances even deadly force, if they deem it necessary to do so.

What we’re finding ourselves faced with is a government of mercenaries, bought and paid for with our tax dollars, all the while claiming to be beyond the reach of the Constitution’s dictates.

When all is said and done, privatization in the American police state amounts to little more than the corporate elite providing cover for government wrong-doing.

Either way, the American citizen loses.

 

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Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:06 | 5860133 Manthong
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If you can move all of your ammo on a two wheel dolly
you don’t have enough.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:12 | 5860140 NidStyles
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The real question should be: "How many of you own a sword like edged weapon, and how many of you are actually fit enough to use one if you need to?"

 

This fight might be long enough to burn out all resources of ammo. In which case, a hand and a half is a great tool for any aspiring survivalist.  Even a gladius would be a worthwhile investment. Getting in shape should have already been a priority.

 

Getting junked by fat bodied idiots I bet.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:28 | 5860201 Overfed
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A quality katana or tachi is the way to go.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:40 | 5860218 Skateboarder
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Rent-a-thugs.

edit: When will Google Police be real?

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:41 | 5860225 Monetas
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The "Public Thugs" cost too much .... it's all about economics !

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:48 | 5860242 ACP
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Railroads have had their own police for over 100 years, I guess the rest of the oligarchs are just now catching on...

http://www.csx.com/index.cfm/community/csx-police-department/

https://police.amtrak.com/

http://www.up.com/aboutup/community/safety/special_agents/index.htm

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:56 | 5860263 Anusocracy
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I hope the robocops are more human than the ones we have now.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:58 | 5860265 Skateboarder
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They'll let you say last words before shooting?

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 03:30 | 5860439 Manthong
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For some people, being in the thick of things is only having to compensate for 50 feet of drop.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 03:39 | 5860445 El Vaquero
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At least in most states, EVERYBODY has arrest powers and if you're in a public space and some private security guard tries to arrest you for some bullshit, you should probably be ready to put a bullet in them.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 08:14 | 5860655 BeansMcGreens
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Here is how we do it in rural North Carolina.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9efgLHgsBmM

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 09:33 | 5860801 BLOTTO
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I remember that poster from a couple of years back.

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Why is there a Serbian crest?

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 11:40 | 5861360 XitSam
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If you're talking about citizen's arrest, you never want to do that. Waaay to easy to make a mistake, and then the guy you're arresting will sue for false arrest, denial of civil rights, etc.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 21:23 | 5863509 TeethVillage88s
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Holy Shit man we have to think this out.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:27 | 5860304 Ignatius
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"In Seattle, off-duty Seattle Police officers moonlighting as a private security force patrol wealthy neighborhoods “approximately six nights/days a week for five hours each shift. Officers are in uniform, carry police radios and their police firearms and drive unmarked personal vehicles.”

Where I worked if I used company tools ("...uniform, carry police radios and their police firearms...") I would be fired for theft.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:50 | 5860407 California Nigh...
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In the Bay Area all of the Whole Food Markets I frequent now have ARMED GUARDS roaming the stores..

WTF????  Whole Food Fucking Market needs armed guards?

These dudes are all black. Yes, black.

My hunch is that the top managers suppose the general public will cut these guys some slack if they shoot someone.

Afterall, they're black. They don't know no better, poor fuckers.

I do hope Whole Foods gets its ass  sued for millions and millions. Fuck 'em!

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 04:25 | 5860480 NidStyles
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Better that they be Black than a Zionist.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 21:22 | 5863502 TeethVillage88s
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dafuq! You don't think they are British Colonial Tools??

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 08:26 | 5860673 newdoobie
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What! The departments rent out the cops. (didn't you know) I worked with cops as security guards all the time. My company rents them out from the local police dept. they cost more than a security company but they are better trained. In fact the cost was almost double a private company. (more if you want them to drive a cop car to work)

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 11:22 | 5861289 Alvin Fernald
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That is because you don't have a monopoly on violence, theft, coercion and fraud.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 03:41 | 5860392 Cadavre
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Omni Corp - but take heart - Robocop stormed the Bastille-ish bastions with the commons and the public service police and razed Omni Corp down to the ground like a blowup clown blowout.

Think positive - the private guys - they can be turned - and - they are also a readily available supply of high band digital com gear, front line weapons and ammo tanks - field rations  - shit - drones can be commandeered, if push come to shove, and put to use by the commons. That shit is the property of the commons anyway.

Push comes to shove - there be juz too many of us - one of their gestapo does harm to someone in the commons could risk a less than comfortable 187 of every living member of their immediate family.

Ask - If the outcome is for, all practical purposes, assured, then why risk injury or life?  The commons owns the USA, not those so-n-soze employed by the commons gad-flying on CSPAN openingly admitting criminal disregard for the rule of law, and istead seek protect through illegal fiat or edit,s signed by the a-wipes we are told we voted to employ to manage our authorizations and assets (remember: this is our land) in the chief executive officer's role, conspring to enrich themselves and masters by destroying the constitution and extorting those who see the truth and wisdom our founders's pen's wording the terms underlying "rule of law", aka us, the American commons.

America's commons best smarty pants-ed 'rule of law' faithful should see what we're up against. The common's will prevail, by orders, regardless of the path forced upon them, to restore the "rule of law". Why fight if ya know ya who gonna win anywaze. Both the commons and War Exchange Nobilities' survival consultants need to look at prospects. We own this place. We own every building in DC. Every publicly funded project, Every bride road pipe and wire of the infrastructure of thiis country is ours. The guns, rockets, jets, GI's - they're ours - we own or employ or contract our authorizations to maintain the "rule of law".

So if we know we'll kick their ass, why not come up with a plan - a manifest. We'll even abolish the death penalty - but a lot of our political class employees and as well as the dukes and lord and princesses of Hazard that are wiggly shit tendril-ing out of the War Exchange's (aka, top Dynasty - The Queen - our dear King FED) pleasure organ, they gonna have to give it up - fess up - surrender to house arrest and be subjects of a criminal fact finding and possibly having to defend themselves in a court that embraces the "rule" of law.

Simple shit. What do we want - what do they want to avoid. Why burn maim or kill stuff and resources we own or pay for? And, most hopefully prayed for, is that War Exchange's staff of survival skills counselors will help the delusion  plagued self anoints, both blood klan and/or inservice to the War Exchange, understand the loose loose situation confronting all Dynastic  Dominion Heretics - choose to be smushed or choose to return what you've stolen and re-education for a period to determined by a finder of facts per "rule of law". Simple. 

But everything is starting to crash ... thats what happens when drag overtakes lift ... for example ...

Recent revelations published on the Press TV website, the New York Post and Veterans Today have changed history.

The story was simple, two American congressional representatives were allowed to read the Congressional 9/11 Investigation Report, this time including the areas President Bush had ordered removed. Both congressmen clearly state that the redacted pages of the report place full responsibility for the planning and execution of 9/11 on one or more foreign intelligence agencies, not “terrorists.”

Nine eleven was a coup against the constitution. Additional reports released this week make clear some of the reasons Bush lied to the American people, to congress, our military and our allies, “Obama’s Director for National Intelligence, James Clapper, has declassified new documents that reveal how the NSA was first given the green light to start collecting bulk communication data in the hunt for Al-Qaeda terrorists after 9/11. President Barack Obama’s administration has for the first time publicly confirmed ‘the existence of collection activities authorized by President George W. Bush,’ such as bulk amounts of Internet and phone metadata, as part of the ‘Terrorist Surveillance Program’ (TSP). The disclosures are part of Washington's campaign to justify the NSA’s surveillance activities, following massive leaks to the media about the classified programs by former NSA contractor Edward Snowden.

The real report, called “shocking” by the legislators, who have called for President Obama to declassify the entire report, proves that there was no al-Qaeda involvement, no reason to invade Afghanistan or Iraq and no reason to hunt CIA operative, Colonel Tim Osman, also known as “Osama bin Laden.”

In fact, Ambassador Lee Wanta, a former White House Intelligence Chief and Inspector General of the Department of Defense under Reagan, has cited meetings between key government officials and “bin Laden” that he attended, meetings held in both Los Angeles and Washington DC while the US was supposedly hunting him.

There is a lot more detail in the article -It blames bush and Israel (symbolic - maybe)- not Mossad and not the Saudis not the genocide counter at the War Exchange, unless Israel and Dubby's are symbolic references to the perps collective responsible . We are the responsible party -We let it happen - so did the rest of our brothers and sisters in the commons. It's our fault.

How to right an obligation avoided, a responsibility not attended to, may, just may be a better question.

As for Dubby - he was just a 'last' name. a cnvient idiot, a simple guy - not jaded to anything like greed - just a dumb mislead guy with a "recognizable" name - a front - a puppet - not enough twixt the head sets - he could easily demonstrate incompetence - he is a child - EASY TO CONVINCE SOMETHING WRONG IS, instead, RIGHT. And Israel, if we look at the facts we have - appears to be nothing more than a cheap loss leader to keep the registers ringing in the "Forever War" store -but our brothers in Israel, the Israeli commons, are media-d as a raving sadistic spell bound collective of 'ignorant' dominion heretic conformists, as, sad to say, are many of our brothers and sisters in the American commons.

Allow a suggestion - instead of of actually bleeding the gadfly crowd white shoe prancers on CSPAN and every member of their family and the entire portion of the tree of assets and individuals that resolved to the bagmen that paid em to break ignore the rule of law. that we, commons, instead, attempt to implore those members of the commons outside the arena of our federal public servicet employees, figure out, through convention and dialog with lay members of the commons, to resolve this without gutting rich peoples children.

Think of it in a "Terms of Surrender" posture. We want them out - to surrender and return - and they - hopefully through consultation with the War Exchanges Survival Skill Experts - will figure out that there was no heroics. t'at all, in the way Mussolini had to public service.

Are all Israelis as narrowly competent as the one presented by their public services big cheese employee. Mommy always told `em, "They hate you cause you're better than they are - in fact shit shit head  - you're one of god's fucking chosen people - so shut up - slow down on your fucking masturbation an enjoy being in Israel, the reincarnation of Masada - go drink some sterno and throw stones at Palestinian babies."

Why would someone bait and eat the hate for a load of crap like that - a chimp wouldn't fall for that snake oil - but a lot of our brothers and sisters in the commons have - remove the false logic of fear - their lethal desire to conform - and the widsom of humanity will deliver them back to the world of light and the rule of law.

... err - you guys taking notes ... you DID bring a pencil this time - right?

Four words, "This is our land" - tink a`bout it!

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 03:51 | 5860454 e_goldstein
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You should really stop huffing paint.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 04:44 | 5860497 Cadavre
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Picked the wrong day to stop huff'n paint - all I see now is dat poor lil' monkey trying to put the cork back in de fat lady-ess-'s non-stopping explosive chunk chumming asshole  - ya had ta know it'd be so.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 09:46 | 5860864 pods
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Oh FFS, LEO WANTA?

Same LEO WANTA that is trustee of that $27 Trillion booty from the Cold War?

I'll pass on that thanks.

pods

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 07:20 | 5860601 RaceToTheBottom
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Words should be conserved....

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 08:09 | 5860641 MilwaukeeMark
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@ Cadaver

I celebrated two birthdays and an anniversary while reading your post. The beauty of Mozart was that he required so few notes to create something meaningful. After this I'm ready for Tolstoy's War and Peace.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 16:23 | 5862464 Cadavre
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You still apperar the same young-ish zappy-go-lucky-me-luv-you-long-time fellow you presented as before you suffered the "read". 

Sometimes words  can be so too condensed that the essential information aludes the reader untile the entire context is fully retained in the membrane.Example.  Ya wanna bleed while you read, try to get through one sentenced of an IEEE standdards documenet, like the run time model description for the so called Sharable Content Object Reference Model, aka SCORM. The information is so condensed that one must read the entire 3000 pages of specifications 10 times before one can even begin to understand that sentence in that paragraph. Now that's pain. (ps i only had to read dat shit 8 times) - reduced it down z'nuff (Word DOC) soze a team of engineers could build it.

Point is - sometimes too few words don't present the entire context of their intent.

I was off my game - lazy - sleepy - missed the bus - had a flat tire - didn't have juice to properly edit to the pentameter - maybe lazy - and besides, and also, anyway, at least one third of the post, the paragraphs in italics, are from a article attributed to other sources. 

I'll try to do better in the future. And beisides, again, the speller object is sometimes iffy-ish - maybe it's because I blocked the MIB snoop sites on my router or group policy table or hosts file.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 16:35 | 5862553 MEAN BUSINESS
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Yeah, Cadavre, I was just reading your post and upvoted it. Why I was having that conversation about account holders failing to locate the complaint department here at Zero Hedge just the other day! They don't knOw it's on the eighth floor...

So are you recommending a 'truth and reconciliation' approach? I ask because not facing more radical truths is driving us over the cliff and likely taking all life with us. Thing is it doesn't look like we have much time left. A commission on 9/11 could get the ball rolling? Dreamy ; )

great comments, thanks!

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 21:12 | 5863477 TeethVillage88s
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Cadavre started a thread as a man/woman who gets things done.

Take note ZH.

I don't know how to keep this alive. But it should be kept alive.

Government is a terrible human resource manager and it dehumanizes when it is told to prosecute a group or country or class.

True.

Balance is taught through religion, but not so much now through US Christianity.

Think upon this.

Too much regulation, too many young men going to prison, too expensive education, too expensive health care, too much expensive Federal Government seduced by Money and resulting in huge $18 Trillion dollar Federal Deficit.

You want to Bomb Iran? You think the US Federal Budget is unlimited? Don't think Israel wants the USA to go Bankrupt? What do you think will happen if the USA with $18 Trillion Budget Deficit goes to WW III or war with Iran???

Stupid fucks.

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 06:53 | 5864221 Cadavre
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So are you recommending a 'truth and reconciliation' approach?

Trying to if "reconciliation" means forefiture of assets and time when found uilty of a crime. 86 capital punishment. Abolish life sentences. Beleive it or not, people can change. There are two fronts, our political class empyees and those of us in the commons that have shed so much self esteme that they really beleive they need to be lead, and fell victim instutionally conditioned xenophobia to more importance on some CSAPAN a-wipe gadfly-ing neo-noble self annoint, who, by law, and given weight by the individual at the center of christianity, is not a "king", but instead, and simply, just an administrave employee of the commons, despite the fact their employment opportunity was rigged by the Diebold selection machine. Condiditioned conformity makes it difficult for some of us to accept uncompfortable truths based on facts, we ain't disavowing it, just avoiding it. With compassion and undertanding and clarity, those of us blinded by fear will eventually ]see the criminality as easily as any salt of the earth American.

Those of us lost in a myth, can, with patience undertanding and love, be brought back into the light.

The Iraq War was not a "war" to defend the constitution, it was a genocide undertaken to enrich money changers. When congress passed the authiorization dor Dubby;s John Hancock, there was a signing sheet attched. Dubby, by lawm had to report, within 24 hours the confirmed location of Iraq's alledged WMD stockpiles. The shame of Colon Bowell in the Sercurity Council lying through his teeth with a fancy smancy AV presentaion, claiming that what were nothing more than Iraqi weather balloon trucks, were, instead WMD gas disbursal transport systems (here and here and here). Bowell also found it neccessary to order the UN SC chamber maintenance to cover a mural by Picasso, the “Guernica”, a depiction of German and Italian Air Forces dive bombing Spain, be covered, hidden during his presentation.  by Italiy and Germany.

Iraq was no war, it was wholesale industrial genocide to enrich the money changers and dispose of evidence.

Recall the incident during the Iran Irag war provoked by the US? Recall the Iraqi MIG that almost sunk a US carrier escort with an exocet missile? That was not a mistake. It was in intional act designed to blame Iran for the attack. Only problem was the destroyer escort didn't sink and the logs of the conversations between the Iraqi pilot and air control and the escort with it's command structure are public record. That intentional attempt to sink one of "our" assets was the work product of some of our political employees the we entrusted as custodians of our asset and our rank in file uniformed services employees lives. Sadam had to be in on the discussions. That "accident" could not have happened without his involvement. Saddam was hung for gassing fewr people than our Federalis did ro Waco's Koresh's commune. Less than the number of people Bush authorized to be put to death in Texas prisons as governor of Texas.

Congress passes edicts that violate the rule of law without a blink of eye all the time - so they should find it quite unremarkable to pass something along these lines in sequence:

1. A law requiring our rank and file civil and uniformed services employees to vote in a temporary leadership structure from non political rank and file workers, to manage their department or agency and serve as laisons with our trading partners and debt holders. This would extend to all branches, agencies, and departments we employ in our stuctures of governments in our institutions using the assets we own and maintain for our employees to work in.

2) A law describing, a temporary provisional government officed by rank and file of affiliated agencies, the start date of a provisional governing body, a requirement to determine through dialog with the commons a date to end the provisional government after a reformed balloting sytem enables the commons to vote in single term political class employees to restart a constitutional deomocracy. The commons should have the right to determine every line of every bill or authorization that would be signed into law by the common's executive employee, the president.

3) A law that will set a date that all of the commons currently "selected" and/or politically appointed employees to resign, surrender their accounts, assets,passports. licenceses to the provisional authority for safekeeping, and submitt to house arrest and a fact finding inquiry  until such time as constitutional rule of law is restored and charges are brought, or dismissed, by a court under rule of law

It will be  a revolution by the only constitutionaly reconized leaders and only producers (not consumers) value, the American commons. Some call it a leaderless revolution. Some say all participating revolutionaries should be considere leaders. Same thing either way.

Take the ball - pass it around - get it infront of someone with the expertise, an understanding of the required arcane minutia and word smithing skills to formalize it for presentation on the hill while the rest of us in the commons work towards a collective solidarity - and by all counts we might just be lucky enough not to be forced to barbequeue the tenderloins of the dandies and their families and the banksters comping the CSPAN crooners' nooner quickies inside the K-Street Kiddie Brothels - we could just maybe and quite possibly have a bloodless, well almost, bloodless and leaderless revolution that will restore the constitutional republic of the united states. 

So get the F with it - the clock go tick tock and my incisors sharpen by the minute in anticipation of baby bankster or baby politician tenderloin smoked medium rare to perfection on the tip of my spit to eat dat sweet right off de bone.

Word to your mother - anybody that wants to work as an elected public servant should not be allowed on the ballot - use a jury system that oblidges any memeber of the commons to set their personal life aside and oblidged to serve when their number is pulled out of the hat. 

Now for the chorus, follow de bouncing ball ..

O dat hole

So empty

So cold

Cold like a grave

It call to me

Dat hole call to me

It call to me 

It say to me

Jump on in sucka,

   and I'll set you free!

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 04:28 | 5860483 Kirk2NCC1701
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Clearly the "Good Old Days" of Aristocrats are back, complete with their own "ARRESTOCRATS".

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 16:12 | 5862315 Cadavre
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Clearly the "Good Old Days" of Aristocrats are back

Exacto-Fucking-Mundo!

The symbiology we were taught, ie; that our democracy, was a bloodless continuation of the American Revolution, to be faught at the polls and not in trenches - has ended - and we, our freedoms, our rule of law,  despite the hopes, blood, sweat, prayers and sacrifice our ancestors put on the table and trusted us to protect and pass down to our descendants, has ended. We, for all intensive purposes, have just lost the American Revolution. Lost it like a drunk loses a set of keys.

The defeat took 240 years. We surrendered because a meaninless life seems a lot easier live than a responsible one. We have become civic sloaths and accepted slavery and servitude. We confuse democracy with slavery. We confuse polititions and others we employ in the structures of our gorvenment as 'our' leaders. We forgot that we, and only we, were tapped to lead the "idea", the "dream" that America is supposed to be.

We quit. Gave it up. Became iBling addicts. A cast of empty characters in reruns of meaningless and unsubstantial edpisodes of "House wives of the Idiocracy".

We lost the greatest gift ancestors could ever pass to their descendants, and yet, we neither feel nor express remorse for the most shameful act ever committed by a culture.

One can almost hear the minions of preachers in service to the future neo-nobility sermonizing in the camps now ... "You're in a FEMA camp because the Lord wants you to be in a FEMA camp".

And so the story ends ... our history was for nothing.

 

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 20:45 | 5863416 TeethVillage88s
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No the story end w Military officers supporting & sanctioning all .gov actions.

Treason, Betrayal, RICO.

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--- Teeth's US Dream Anthem --
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- It is 1 Minute to Midnight: Neo-Feudal Debt Slavery & nuke war
- Problem is Bankers, Politicians, Lawyers & Judges
- Failure of Self Regulation of Bankers, Politicians, Lawyers & Judges
- US Constitution is Usurped, Gone are Budget Powers, Legislative Powers, War Powers
- Money has taken over the Government, Banking, Universities, Science
- American Dream is over, Corruption is the same in all Countries now
- Old American Dream may serve as basis for new Country someday

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Fri, 03/06/2015 - 10:59 | 5861198 venturen
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Google is basically the NSA....with accompanying thugs from various alphabet organizations supplying fire power.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:49 | 5860401 SilverRhino
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Sure, if you're an amateur.

Real warriors / soldiers use(d) sabers for a very good reason.

 

Ever wonder why western militaries didn't switch to a katana?  [because it's not the best weapon]

 

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 09:10 | 5860474 NidStyles
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I prefer a hand and a half. I want something that can cleave a threat in two and mitigate it. It also has that fear factor of making anyone that sees you do it scared of confronting you in a violent fashion. You just need to make sure you're fit enough to use it. The modern ones may not weigh much, but having to lift them up and push through the force of impact repeatedly will certainly wear an unfit person out quickly.

 

Then it becomes a numbers game.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 11:40 | 5861359 Grinder74
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My double lightsaber is pretty handy.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 04:07 | 5860469 winchester
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look too much hollywood...

 

anything longer than 15cm is totally pointess.

 

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 07:42 | 5860618 serotonindumptruck
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Agree. An ice-pick can be absolutely brutal if used appropriately. Easily concealable also.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 10:16 | 5861014 drdolittle
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I got a ditch bank blade, war hammer, axe and kukri. I work out 3-6 days per week. I think I'm good. Check out the ditch bank blade. Eats brush and cuts through 2-3" trees and arms as well.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:46 | 5860233 joego1
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Everything around you is a weapon grasshopper.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 03:11 | 5860406 zhandax
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Excellent point; with a bit of research, I discovered that the bag of potash in the garage I have been sprinkling on the lawn the last couple of years melts ice quite nicely (no one had salt for the second ice storm in three weeks down south).

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 04:19 | 5860475 NidStyles
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I was speaking for everyone else. I already know my best weapon is my mind. Not everyone is that lucky.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 16:20 | 5862499 Cadavre
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Coffee just blasted out both my nostrils - there oughta be a law - don't drink when reading ZH posts.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:10 | 5860280 A Nanny Moose
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Indeed. It is one thing to be able to push a button and exterminate a target from even 100 yards

To make another living being assume room temp, at arms' length is beyond the capacity of 90% of those who assume they have calculated the odds. Let's hope it doesn't come to that, but prepare for he eventuality (si vis pacem para bellum). Either way, we are in for a stinky planet, within 1-2 generations.

Prepare your demon spawn accordingly. The pen at your desk is a weapon.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 04:21 | 5860476 NidStyles
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The best weapon truly is your mind, but not all people are equally equipped.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:15 | 5860286 stant
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A couple black powder weapons with stores might be a good idea too

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 10:08 | 5860981 KnightTakesKing
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Superb advice. I have a high quality sword from ZombieTools (google them) and am about to order a second (lighter in weight) sword.

I could be in better shape however... And folks really should try to learn how to use a sword. It's not as easy as folks might think.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 16:06 | 5862447 Alvin Fernald
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nice tools. thanks for the link.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:08 | 5860143 Self-enslavement
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This fits right in one with "the Protocalls"

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:11 | 5860152 NidStyles
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c70PUIInrCw

Not a bad examination on why Christians should not be aligned with Israel.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:16 | 5860287 A Nanny Moose
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Having grown up Catholic, I just read the contradictions between the OT and NT. Combined with the contextual machinations of a declining Roman Empire, the usurpation of a movement seems obvious. It is as if the Conservicrats of our time might usurp "Libertarians," or "Anarchist."

All that remains is....Cui Bono?

Any movenment predicated on the fallacy that might makes right, will be usurped by more might.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:42 | 5860228 Abitdodgie
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You are missing the point you have to get someone to stand up to these police goons and there lies the problem out of all the people the  police have murdered not one retaliation killing , so Americans may have all the gun's and ammo but they lack the ball's to use them.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:06 | 5860275 Tall Tom
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Private police are subject to both Civil Penalties and Criminal Prosecution for violation of Civil Rights.

 

This is hyperbole.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:21 | 5860296 Monetas
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Taking retaliation .... without due process .... is A Bit Dodgy ?

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:45 | 5860399 Tall Tom
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And you think that publically funded Police are any better?

 

They do not follow the law either.

 

Cities in the USA are INCORPORATED. They hire the Police Forces. The Police already work for a corporation.

 

There is no difference whether a City hires the thugs with guns or a private entity hires the thugs with guns.

 

The thugs with guns do not respect your civil rights in either case.

 

This is hyperbole as nothing substantially changes.

 

And as for retaliation? If legal remedies are unavailable then there are always extralegal remedies.

 

Extralegal means OUTLAW.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 17:17 | 5862731 TeethVillage88s
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Reminds me:

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- US Military was outlawed from breaking Strikes or worker Protest within the USA(not in Central America of course)
- Company Store
- Debt Slavery
- Company Hired Strike Breakers

Really is just a Trend Returning to the USA isn't it?

- Companies or Corporations using Power Against US Workers or Citizens

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:45 | 5860324 Augustus
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Private police are not covered by the concept of government immunity.  Much easier to have them held accountable for their actions.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:47 | 5860402 Tall Tom
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Furthermore their hired thugs are not "Officers of the Court".

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 03:41 | 5860446 El Vaquero
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Only if you know that your rights were violated and how to hold them accountable, which is not most people.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 05:50 | 5860535 Tall Tom
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You are not "most people".

I am not "most people"

 

And if I cannot pursue legal remidies then there are other alternatives available.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 11:16 | 5861264 Abaco
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The concept of government immunity is a fraud.  It is based upon soverign immunity (can't go after the king) but in America it is supposed to be the people that are sovereign.  The idea that you can't sue a prosecutor for subborning perjury, or a cop for lying on the stand, is simply absurd.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 11:48 | 5861391 XitSam
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Suborning perjury?  They're the ones doing it!

And they're LOLing at you, the California Attorney General has their back.

http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/203253/

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 17:09 | 5862697 TeethVillage88s
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Continuing the thread here.

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"In American law and in Scots law the subornation of perjury is the crime of persuading a person to commit perjury — the swearing of a false oath to tell the truth in a legal proceeding, be it spoken or written. The term subornation of perjury further describes the circumstance wherein an attorney at law causes a client to lie under oath, or allows another party to lie under oath.[1][2]"

In American federal law, Title 18 U.S.C. § 1622 provides that:

Whoever procures another to commit any perjury is guilty of subornation of perjury, and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:29 | 5860376 BandGap
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The first step is having them. There are no balls to use them without step 1.

It will not be I who will decide or not decide to use a gun.  It will be the person I am pointing the weapon at.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:48 | 5860403 SilverRhino
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Don't be so certain that retaliations aren't happening.   You just aren't hearing about them. 

 

http://www.policeone.com/ambush/articles/8385101-Ga-officer-shot-and-kil...

Ga. officer shot and killed in ambush Police were responding to reports of someone shooting a gun and were ambushed while trying to protect the residents
Fri, 03/06/2015 - 11:17 | 5861272 Abaco
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That isn't retaliation that is murder. The perps had no idea which cop would respond.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 11:53 | 5861417 XitSam
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Do you have information about the perps?  How do you know they didn't go to this officer's patrol area, initiate an incident, and wait for him to show up? If he doesn't show then calmly drive away.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:10 | 5860150 cigarEngineer
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It's safer to have a safe room than engage anyone from a position of surprise.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:11 | 5860155 NidStyles
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Christopher Dorner.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:18 | 5860290 A Nanny Moose
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Is your Big Bear cabin/criminal lair on fire? Would you like a bucket brigade?

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:35 | 5860387 Consuelo
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Boy did that story get mopped up and put away fast...

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:49 | 5860404 Tall Tom
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But we do not forget...NOT HERE.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:48 | 5860243 joego1
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What if you have to go poop and ALKIDA comes from inside the pooper and grabs you by the nuts?

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:19 | 5860293 A Nanny Moose
Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:50 | 5860252 Miffed Microbio...
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Well, I hope your safe room is sufficiently supplied for an extensive time because if you must venture out at some point for something, I suggest you run evasively to the Quikimart.

Miffed

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:54 | 5860257 Anusocracy
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Unfortunately, I was ejected from my safe womb.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:00 | 5860268 Monetas
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In Mexico .... when a child favors the father a lot .... especially if it's a daughter .... they say: "El Papa la cago !" .... the father shit her .... as opposed to vaginal birth !

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:52 | 5860412 Tall Tom
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Twenty cans of canned Salmon cost Twenty Bucks at Dollar Tree.

 

I will eat in style.

 

As for Mountain Dew??? That is a problem.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 05:11 | 5860514 raywolf
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yeah the easy solution to private police is simply make it legal to shoot at them.... then they better be doing a good job... fair is fair... free market place.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 09:20 | 5860760 rubiconsolutions
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Private and public partnerships....sounds a bit like fascism to me.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:08 | 5860144 cigarEngineer
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I don't disagree, but this article is very light on evidence and is not very convincing. I still think private is better. Private don't have immunity.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:05 | 5860272 TheMeatTrapper
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Private Security can be fired.

Try firing the local cops.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:21 | 5860297 A Nanny Moose
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Fuck...just try sending them on unpaid leave before they declare disabiity....tax free.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 03:43 | 5860450 El Vaquero
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What's the over/under on there being private security guard unions that make it impossible to fire them too?

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:58 | 5860330 JuliaS
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When I see an armed guard carry bags of money from a business to a parked truck, I don't feel threatened. I know that as long as I pose no threat to him, he poses no threat to me. He's not going to start point his gun at strangers for lack of compliance with an order he just made up. I stay out of his way, he'll stay out of my way.

Police - a totally different matter. They perceive everyone as guilty until proven innocent. I've witnessed cops power trip over all sorts of reasons. I've been nearly knocked off my bicycle once for riding on the sidewalk. I'm not a criminal (at least that's what most of us think), but I'm quite honestly afraid of cops.

A security guard is a person first and paid employee of a company second. Cops act like they're cops - like they don't even have names. Like their profession is all they are and it is you - sub-human, who must feel inferior to them, short of kneeling each time enter vicinity.

When I look at cops all I see is high school bullies with a license to do professionally what they used to do illegally - mostly rejects whose grades kept them from getting into college.

And yes, it is a blanket statement. To the contrary I'll say that I've met some wonderful policemen - small town cops and very polite rookies eager to help and provide stability. I've had pleasant encounters and seen many exceptions to the stated rule. Not everyone is the same, but I see fewer and fewer good cops as the years go by. More and more of them are replaced with angry psychotic attack hounds that act like they're paid through commission (and maybe they are). I have almost no trust left in the legal system.

Private security? I have no trouble with it. It's market priced and demand regulated. They're not hired killers and actually do what the title says - provide security, as oppose to government sponsored contract killers and mobile tax collectors known as police.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 10:11 | 5860993 cherokeepilot
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Julia, loved you statement "When I look at cops all I see is high school bullies".  I joined the Chicago Fire Dept. when I was  a young lad.  Some of my high school associates joined the police.  The folks I worked with on the department, for the most part, truely wanted to help people.  Most of the folks I knew that joined the police matched your descriptioin of "high school bullies".  Years ago, I asked a fellow, who had resently joined the fire department, why he gave up a successful career in private industry.  He stated that he wanted a more secure job and had the choice of either the police dept. or fire dept.  He said that he chose the fire department because most members wanted to help people whereas the police dept. members wanted to hurt people.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 16:49 | 5862604 TeethVillage88s
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Well to continue the Thread I see private security in Latin American Countries for the big corporations or the Wealthy.

Sometimes you visit a 5 Star Hotel and see where conference rooms are guarded by private security. These guys are edgy and feels like I don't want to be near them or approach them. It can be a little intimidating to go shopping or walk by an Electronics Department store and see body armor and shotgun in hand at the front door.

But on the other hand I have visited banks where the Security Guard comes over to help you find the right place to stand in line or office to visit. Nice guys with some English Skills who seem to be part of Customer Service. Kind of a wow.

- "This is the growing dilemma we now face as private police officers outnumber public officers (more than two to one), and the corporate elite transforms the face of policing in America into a privatized affair that operates beyond the reach of the Fourth Amendment."

As we lose the Middle Class and the USA becomes very much like a third world country with masses of poor, low-wage people... Classism Will Increase and become Very Much Obvious. You will feel different and separate from the Elites traveling with security in private limos and private planes. Being white in Latin Countries helps since you are a different class to some people like security. But in the USA this is not really the case. The Meme of who is a threat has morphed. White people are just as much a threat in Modern 21st Century USA. It is a class War.

It is a Class War. Diplomats, Wealthy, and Elites have staffs, lawyers, political protection, court protection, insurance protection, and private security protections.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:12 | 5860164 leveler001
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Power comes out of the barrel of a gun. People see state security breaking down, and want their own protection

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:24 | 5860367 Radical Marijuana
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leveler001:

That is an old-fashioned notion after weapons of mass destruction have made the barrels of gunpowder weapons become relatively trivial in comparison. Power is based on the death controls. Militarism is the supreme ideology. HOWEVER, none of that has adapted to the development of technologies which have become trillions of times more powerful.

Paradoxically, the dismal failures of people to understand death control systems and militarism is leading towards greater and greater overall insecurity. Indeed, America is now dominated by two State Religions, which most people do not recognized have become psychotic absurdities. Those two State Religions are the monetary system and national security. Both are integrated into globalized systems of electronic frauds, enforced by the threat of force from atomic bombs. That is what the American Dollar and American Military have become, runaway triumphs of frauds and deceits, which are MAD Money As Debt, backed by MAD Mutual Assured Destruction.

Due to that MADNESS, there is no longer any security coming out of the barrels of gunpowder weapons. Instead, there is only worsening psychosis, in the sense of being utterly out of touch with the realities of electronic frauds, backed by atomic bombs. Since people continue to believe in bullshit regarding their State Religions, the American Dollar and American Military have become runaway forms of collect criminal insanity.

The only thing that an overwhelming abundance of old-fashioned gunpowder weapons adds to the more advanced weapons of mass destruction is another layer on the cake of craziness. To develop genuinely better security would require radically transforming the ways that people think about death controls. However, by and large, given that the established systems are runaway debt insanities headed towards provoking death insanities, it is not likely that enough people are going to go through the kinds of paradigm shifts it would take to develop militarism as an ideology of a murder system which was reconciled with the existence of weapons of mass destruction.

At present, most people want to continue to indulge in nostalgic nonsense about how more weapons could make them more secure, while actually the opposition is happening, faster and faster. The great paradox is that the history of successful warfare based on deceits and treacheries never had to adapt to weapons of mass destruction before, and has NOT done so now, other than by developing policies which got MADDER and MADDER!

Theoretically, people would have to go through radical paradigm shifts in the ways that they perceive death control systems, in order to perhaps survive the development of weapons of mass destruction. However, the default is the much more probable scenarios of various increasing severe death insanities ... More and more effectively privatized and militarized police is NOT going to work in the longer term for anybody. Democidal martial law is going to make things get worse, and cause even more crazy collapses into chaos. The chain of command over privatized, militarized, police forces is surely going to eventually fragment, because its foundation is psychotic in nature. Mercenaries will jump the rails that they were originally guided to run along ... I REPEAT MY COMMENT BELOW, DESTROYING THE RULE OF LAW FEEDS A MONSTER THAT WILL GO OUT OF CONTROL, AND ALSO DESTROY THOSE WHO ORIGINALLY FED THAT MONSTER!

Ideally, what we need are intellectual scientific revolutions applied through militarism, as the ideology of the murder systems, which would be able to adapt to surviving through a technological civilization developing weapons that became many orders of magnitude greater than at any previous time in known human history. However, the established social habits of death controls most successfully having been done through the maximum possible deceits and treacheries is making that be practically impossible.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 07:34 | 5860613 GCT
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Radical security on the ground will always be thru the barrel of a gun for now.  Why?  All the technological toys  the MIC deploys cannot hold the real estate.  This is clearly demonstrated daily with this administration using the newest toys of destruction to eliminate the enemy.  These toys actually create more enemies because we no longer have eyes on the ground or on target and collateral damage killing innocent people creates more enemies.  Ron Paul is correct in his assumptions.

Now developing a small weapon an individual can carry that replaces rifles with bullets may be a game changer but currently nothing is even close. ISIS is running amok because the Navy and the Air Force have sold the politicians a bill of goods that cannot contrl anything.  Yet their cost is astronomical.  The MIC wants to turn war into a video game and they seem to be doing a great job of it.  But in the end ground forces control real estate and it will not change.  I have seen the use of these weapons first hand and most ground forces simply hide or hunker under ground and wait it out only to return when the bombs, drones or missiles are complete. 

Try walking into an area to clear of enemy forces once the Air Force and Navy drop their cluster bombs.  They are every where and will kill you just as fast.  Why?  Because many of these so-called bomblets do not explode. 

We are no where close to being able to control real estate with the MIC latest and greatest killing machines.  So those fighters on the ground will continue to controll their area regardless of what we do.  Nowif you want to nuke someone well the ground is not productive for anyone then. 

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 15:28 | 5862313 Radical Marijuana
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GTC, I think you are underestimating the range of weapons which could kill hundreds of millions or billions of people, if only there were those criminally insane enough to start using those kinds of weapons. I also think you are underestimating the degree to which the ground forces could become robotic, within the foreseeable future, while the nightmare science fiction of those becoming more autonomous is quite likely in that event!

The basic problems are that the weapons are now orders of magnitude BIGGER than people, and so, the people would be exhausted long before the weapons were. Furthermore, the BIG PROBLEM is that old-fashioned fantasies about full spectrum dominance have become full spectrum psychosis, due to the ways that social successes were based on some people being able to be the most dishonest and violence, in order to prevail within that human world, which priorities have driven attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards everything outside of that little human world.

Since the human world operates it death controls through the maximum possible deceits, and its economy through the maximum possible frauds, while almost everyone has adapted to having roles inside those systems of organized crime surrounded by controlled opposition, that human world has overall developed the maximum possible attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards its own human ecology, which then enables the same deliberate ignorance towards industrial ecology and natural ecology.

Thousands of years of old-fashioned warfare, with old-fashioned weapons, has developed what are now morbid psychological and political habits which are stuck in the ruts of NOT adapting to progress in physical sciences. Just one super-duper biological weapon by itself could be enough to change everything else beyond our ability to imagine, if there was anyone criminally insane enough to effectively deploy that kind of weapon.

The point I made above is one that the vast majority of people do not understand, because they do not want to understand, that profound paradigm shifts in physical sciences HAVE enabled the development of technologies which ARE STILL on exponential growth curves, which developments are, so far, doing nothing more than providing fantastic special effects to repeat the same old increasingly stupid and insane social stories.

Almost everyone is attached to religions and ideologies that are thousands or hundred of years old. That is even relatively common on Zero Hedge, and way more common generally. Our politics is becoming more and more psychotically out of touch with progress in physical sciences, especially since most people had attitudes which deliberately want to keep it that way.

That is the context in which I regard old-fashioned notions about having gunpowder weapons. In the end, the only things that those will really do is feed the craziness of our kind of civilization. There is nothing else which is theoretically sufficient than radical shifts in the ways that we perceive death controls, which should be consistent with the radical shifts in the paradigms of physical science which have enabled weapons to become trillions of times more powerful and capable. However, what is ACTUALLY happening is that our society is becoming trillions of times more criminally insane, because most people keep on thinking like those weapons do not exist ... since those never existed before, and those have barely ever be deployed ... YET!

Those kinds of weapons EXIST, but our politics is based on personalities which do not accept that, but rather continue to indulge in the nostalgic nonsense that they want to indulge in. Therefore, eventually, it appears that only the demonstration of the uses of those weapons might begin to force people to face the facts that those weapons EXIST.

We have already gone deep into the domain where everyone loses, while nobody wins, BUT, most people continue to still believe in the old-fashioned ideas that somebody can emerge the winners after violent conflicts. That FACTS that the people would be exhausted long before the weapons were does not figure in the imagination of the vast majority of people, who tend to more be looking backward than forward.

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 16:05 | 5870680 GCT
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There is n doubt in my mind ORI we have the weapons to destroy the planet.  Still does not control the real estate as we will be extinct.  I am not naive and served in the military.  I am going to look for the site forge the name on how many nukes it takes to throw the world into another Ice AGe or at least global cooling for a time.  Here is a cluse it does not take too many of the big nukes to do this.

Having siad all of that it still takes people to control real estate no weapon is going to do that.  Nuke something and you do not control a damn thing.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:15 | 5860172 XqWretch
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What time is Dancing with the Stars on?

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:23 | 5860189 VWAndy
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More dumb people with guns. Great?

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:44 | 5860230 Monetas
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Bad dumb .... is much worse than .... good dumb !

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:34 | 5860384 BandGap
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But this side of dirt dumb is the best of all.

Guns and ammo are very good barter, too.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:23 | 5860192 FreedomGuy
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Yeah...I do not buy the whole premise or alarmism of this article. I did not read or hear about lots of people being beat up and killed by private security cops. I have never been pulled over for revenue by a private security guard and ordered to go to court or pay a fine. I do not see them with SWAT teams throwing stun grenades and injuring babies.

Walmart does not have any private army that I fear with the power of the law on its side.

Nonissue here.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:50 | 5860250 Monetas
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I love Walmart greeters .... I always return their good cheer and courtesy .... the snot nosed liberals outside .... trying to register illegal voters .... not so much !

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 03:47 | 5860451 El Vaquero
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You know how it is common for shit that a country does overseas to eventually make its way back home?  Think Blackwater/Xi/Academi.  I'm suspicious of all forms of authority, real or perceived, period. 

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 07:33 | 5860612 Motasaurus
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This town seems to be doing just fine having replaced their PD with PSCs. 

http://www.inquisitr.com/1895442/texas-town-fires-police-hires-private-s...

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:24 | 5860194 Exponere Mendaces
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Just watch, next up on the forfeiture list will be all the preppers that have "excessive ammo" in the eyes of the government.

Think I'm kidding? Keep munching that popcorn, all of ya are on a list for this shit.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:41 | 5860226 joego1
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So if a rent-a-cop pulls me over and I ask for Id and he gives me shit and no ID and we get in a shoot out and I blow his brains out. I have a right to defend myself right? How do I know he isn't ALKIDA in disguise?

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:47 | 5860236 q99x2
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Everyone is a contractor. Governments no longer exist. Even the Q99X2 is/are (a) contractor(s). Weaponization of everything except my teeth is occuring. The needles from hell have been unleashed upon the earth. And, on top of everything else, a mini ice age has begun. So even if people could get through the financial and societal problems as they are now, civilization will be doomed by the weather. The neat thing happened during the 1650s is that the people that survived created laws and forms of governments that held things together for the next 300 or so years. On the other side of this there will be governments but they will be open source software and anyone or any entity that controls more than 10,000,000 will be placed in prison and forced to start over.  It is not possible to avert what is about to happen but with luck you might survive it. Having wealth during the reset could be worse than having nothing. Long live the bitchez.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:46 | 5860238 Monetas
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Well .... let's outlaw video cam security .... that's private policing ?

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:50 | 5860253 cherry picker
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What a bullshit article.  Gun or no gun, a private cop has no authority over me.  I can tell him to take a hike and there is nothing he can do.

 

A real cop, that is a different matter.  Allhe has to claim is resisting authority or something like that and that is all they need to throw you behind bars.  There is very little defense against a cop, that is what is scary.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:52 | 5860333 Augustus
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The private security, hired by the private company which owns the operation. has all of the rights of the property owner.

They can send you out the door if they don't like your presence.  They can also detain your ass for stealing or damaging people or property.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:16 | 5860357 cherry picker
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That makes sense for private property such as a home, but a mall or a store is not considered "private" property.

If someone steals or damages, detaining them until police get there or citizen's arrest is doable.  That is still a far cry from the powers of real police.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 00:53 | 5860255 Monetas
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We supposedly have the right to make citizen's arrest .... I believe in exercising your rights .... to the full extent of the law !

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:03 | 5860258 Monetas
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Outlaw Tasers and Pepper Spray .... no problemo .... muriatic acid and gasoline .... work pretty good !

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:29 | 5860307 Ignatius
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Corporations/private interests, but often under color or .gov and the law, waging war on the rest of us.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:52 | 5860331 laughing_swordfish
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For all of you thinking "this can't happen here" I have just two words:

Treyvon Martin.

Killed by a private cop for the crime of being black in the wrong place at the wrong time. Private cop: Not guilty, and not civilly liable either. 

The article is right.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 01:56 | 5860336 Augustus
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Treyvon Martin was shot while attacking someone on a public sidewalk.  Handguns are well suited for close range self defense.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 06:41 | 5860579 didthatreallyhappen
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treyvon was commiting a felony at the time of his death.  nothing to do with the article

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:38 | 5860337 Radical Marijuana
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This is the historical

line of descent here:

Privatizing 'God,' leading to

privatizing the Environment.

Privatized public "money" system, leading to

privatization of the public "murder" systems.

Privatization was always based on backing up lies with violence, which became more sophisticated systems of legalized lies backed by legalized violence. Backing up deceits with destruction led to enforcing frauds. The runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut needed to develop a fascist police state to protect itself and advance its agenda.

Organized crime surrounded by controlled opposition, whose primary manifestations were debt slavery, backed by wars based on deceits. There is no private property outside of some system of public violence. All private property is based upon backing up claims with coercions, with the most abstract for of that being "money" as measurement backed by murder.

The American political system allowed the best organized gang of criminals, the biggest gangsters, the banksters, to effectively privatize the public "supply" as frauds by private banks which were enforced by governments, through various cartels and monopolies. The supreme achievement of the banksters was to control the branches of government in order to have "legal fictions" become entrenched, as the banks and the corporations that grew up around those banks. The banksters supreme achievement was legalized counterfeiting, as a fraud that was enforced by the government. Thereby, the powers of "We the People" were effectively privatized, and used to systematically defraud them, until now almost everything that could be robbed already has been robbed.

The so-called "owners" do not actually "own" anything, outside of being able to back up claims with coercions. However, to the degree that the best organized gangs of criminals were able to apply the methods of organized crime to the political processes, their entire system of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, has created the financial oligarchy on the historical basis of those runaway triumphant enforced frauds, which have already resulted in the public "money" supply being about 99% privatized. That is now be followed by the privatization of the public murder system, which I guesstimate at being about 75% accomplished at the present time.

Philosophically, that is all the biggest bullies' bullshit, which can be traced back to the Privatization of God, which then expanded at an exponential rate to become the privatization of the planet. Since that privatization is based on being able to back up lies with violence, the runaway privatization of the planet is headed towards killing off most of the life on planet Earth, since that privatization cuts the world up into pieces, in ways which destroy life as a whole.

Theoretically speaking, the solutions to the problems presented by a runaway fascist police state, effectively privatizing the public powers to murder, to back up a privatized rule of law, is to go back through the false ways that the Environment was privatized, and before that, how God was privatized, as social systems based on being able to back up lies with violence, which developed to become legalized lies, whose most important forms were the effective privatization of the monetary and taxation systems, as government enforced frauds by various corporate cartels and monopolies, wherein the legal fictions that those corporations were "persons" became ever more deeply entrenched ...

The path we are on now is towards phases of NeoFeudalism, where the biggest banks and corporations become like a new royalty, which are above the rule of law, because they effectively control the way that the rule of law works. The path we are on now is for the privatization of the public murder systems to catch up to the privatization of the public money systems. That path is towards a fascist police state protecting and advancing the agenda of a runaway fascist plutocracy juggernaut, which is going to turn most of the American people into its road kill, through the imposition of democidal martial law.

The longer term problem with doing it is that a monster is being fed, in the form of a combined money/murder system which will continue to grow out of control. The people who originally destroy the rule of law will eventually also be destroyed by that monster that they made, and maintained, and fed to grow larger and larger. Eventually, that monster may well cause the extinction of the human species.

It is nice to day dream about a series of political miracles, which could reverse the lies regarding the privatization of God, and then reverse the lies regarding the privatization of the Environment, so that there could be a better basis to reverse the privatization of the public money system, and to reverse the privatization of the public murder system. However, more realistically speaking the privatization of the public monetary system has already been almost totally accomplished, like a totally metastasized cancer, which has spread throughout a terminally sick and insane society. Given those social facts, there is no reasonable doubt that the privatization of the public murder systems will continue to automatically get worse faster in the foreseeable future.

Back in 1992, John Kenneth Galbraith pointed out that "We now in the United States have more security guards for the rich than we have police services for the poor districts." The social facts that this article above outlines have continued to get worse, faster, and there are no good grounds to doubt that deterioration will not continue at an exponentially accelerating rate.

Too bad, so sad, but too few people are able and willing to understand the fundamentals behind the runaway enforced frauds, which are have already been amplified to astronomical sizes. Those debt slavery systems have already generated numbers which have become debt insanities. Since those debt controls are backed by the death controls, we are now headed towards the manifestation of much, much worse death insanities in the foreseeable future, due to the paradoxical final failure from too much social success based on being able to back up systems of legalized lies with legalized violence, driving its own madness towards self-destruction.

The only theoretically possible better resolutions would require enough people understand the deeper nature of government, in ways which enabled them to become more competent citizens. However, the vast majority of Americans have already become incompetent political idiots that act like Zombie Sheeple. They have already been mostly fleeced to exhaustion, and so, were thereby also being set up to be slaughtered.

Without enough of a series of political miracles, to develop a better death control system, to back up a better debt control system, then the established systems of enforced frauds must necessarily continue to automatically get worse faster, with the runaway debt insanities provoking death insanities. Indeed, the only remotely possible thing I can barely image is that after there has been some significant manifestations of death insanities, then perhaps the survivors will have learned something, in order to develop better political systems in the future. However, currently that seems extremely improbable, since all of the established systems of legalized lies backed by legalized violence are already too psychotic to be fixed by anything within those systems. The privatizing of the public money supply, leading to the privatization of the public murder system, does not appear possible to stop at the present time, especially that would take enough people understanding the root causes, which were the privatization of God, and the privatization of the Environment.

   
Fri, 03/06/2015 - 03:56 | 5860461 MEAN BUSINESS
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"And the men who hold high places..."

Sorry Rad. (LULZ!) At the end of the 'today' you've even out-done yourself. h/t.GOOD WORK! Thank you!

(GUSH)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDRPtg0kmJU

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:21 | 5860361 Kreditanstalt
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Yes...but you conveniently omit the fact that private police act on private property.  That helps protect the right to hold private property.  You and I are also entirely free to hire our own force too...

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:27 | 5860371 snblitz
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Hire you own police force?  Be You Own Police Force.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 03:51 | 5860456 El Vaquero
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+1000 

 

You get it.  You're responsible for your own shit.  The only reason to call the police in most situations is to cover your own ass, and even that can be a risky proposition. 

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 06:17 | 5860559 pparalegal
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I like it. Off to the uniform, badge and leather gun belt store as we speak

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 04:16 | 5860473 KickIce
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Good point except the majority are probably using bailout funds, either directly or indirectly, to provide that protection.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 07:05 | 5860589 Accounting101
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Well, if we are sure of the veracity of this piece, then the New Orleans and California examples disprove your comment.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:25 | 5860363 mrpxsytin
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So we're back in the times of Knight's Guilds. It starts with the Knight offering his services for hire and ends with him offering not to kill your whole family if you relinquish your claims to your estate. 

You think fiat will keep them satisfied forever?

Give me a handful of loyal men over an army of mercenaries any day.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:31 | 5860381 Radical Marijuana
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An excellent point, mrpxsytin!

Mercenaries are problematic.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 09:25 | 5860774 Ginsengbull
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That Mack-uh-velli guy wrote about mercenaries taking over in that book The Prince.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 09:38 | 5860813 IridiumRebel
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This has been repeated through history from Shoguns to Pinkertons. 

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:25 | 5860370 snblitz
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Gestapo, Sipo, SD, SS, where do you suppose AH got all those people and the organizations from?  Built them himself?  SD yes, but the rest?  Built from the local and state police.  AH had trouble getting the military to carry out some of his proposed solutions.  So what did he do?  He attached SS and other units to the military units to carry out the needed tasks.  The "police" units where much better at following orders.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:32 | 5860383 Rusty Diggins
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Here in Albuquerque there are numerous private armies, it appears as though former sherriffs are becoming warlords just like afghanistan.  Some have vehicles that look just like the real police, uniforms that look just like the local police, wear full plate, loaded with gear, ARs, benellis etc.  Even the logos are incredibally similar.  Crafty marketing and branding provide namesthat differ from apd, by single letter, ipd (international protective deterents).  Anyone would have a hard time telling the difference between the two should they decide to light you up and pull you over.

I could go on and on but i am out of rum.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 04:00 | 5860459 El Vaquero
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I haven't seen the IPD ones.  If private security ligits me up, I'll ignore them if I know they're private security, or I'll make sure they don't know they have a gun pointed at them when I figure it out.  I'm all about fighting unfair.  I have a friend that got lit up by private security, and when he figured it out, well, lets just say that the 44 mag would have gone through his door like nothing. 

 

Unless you're talking IPS - International Protective Services?

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 07:53 | 5860625 Rusty Diggins
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El Vaquero, you are right it is IPS, way too close to the APS cops you see all over the place, sorry my vision blurs with rage whenever i see those legal impersonators.  Since i am unconstitutionally disarmed by my work place in abq, i never feel safe until i can beat feet back to my east mount-an hidey hole.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 06:14 | 5860555 pparalegal
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Not so sure which gang is worse. Don't be a homeless camper in Albuquerque.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 02:44 | 5860396 Consuelo
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The bottom line is that everyone knows where this is all headed.   Pick your favorite quote - end result is the same.   Mine?  

"You know the score pal, if you're not cop, you're little people..."    

In the end - unfortunately, the very end, there exists a 'silver lining' for those who truly value freedom - even if at that point it only exists in memory:  

The taskmasters and their dutiful servants alike, value their paycheck, their pension, their promotions and their overall creature comforts, Much More than you do...   

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 03:08 | 5860428 mog
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The accepted definition of fascism - the merging of the political and corporate.

Backed up by a police state.

USA - thats YOU.

And this is the 'democracy' you are bombing the world to promote?

Well you have really succeeded in the Ukraine.

Well done.

And now like Hitler and Mussolini you seek complete domination of the globe and its people even to the extent of another world war.

Lets hope Russia can stop you and win against you as they did Adolf Hitler - because frankly the USA makes Nazi Germany look like kindergarten.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 03:23 | 5860435 man of Wool
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Russia is the same. One facist state fighting another. I guess Obama and Vlad reckon they can do facism more PC than Adolph.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 04:03 | 5860465 El Vaquero
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It doesn't matter.  Obama is a dumbshit in the country with the world reserve currency and the US MIC, and Putin is anything but a dumbshit with a currency that nobody trusts and a roughly equivalent nuclear force to the US.  It's the dumbshit and nuclear parts that kinda scare me.  A lot.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 04:13 | 5860470 KickIce
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I think that's the rub, at least the people in Russia know they're getting bent over a log while most Americans still believe we live in a democracy operating with a capitalist economy.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 04:04 | 5860466 KickIce
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Beck once gave an explanation of the blueprint Soros used to overthrow the Czech Republic, which basically comes down to creating a crisis / chaos and using the fear of the people to provide more and more “protection” until freedoms are completely eliminated.  I believe TPTB are using basically the same plan against us with a few tweaks and adjustments with 911 being the final nail in the coffin.   (The prison system is a joke as well as has been discussed numerous times)

We are quite simply a nation for lawyers created by lawyers.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 04:51 | 5860498 European American
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Armed Citizens and a Fascist Police State cannot COEXIST. Evenually, one has to give way to the other.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 06:10 | 5860549 pparalegal
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Reads like Neil Stephenson's futuristic novel Snow Crash. Choose your clan early to get the best seats comrades.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 07:28 | 5860607 f16hoser
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Follow these fuckers home and cap 'em while they sleep. Asymmetric warfare works. Just ask the State Dept & CIA.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 08:03 | 5860635 overmedicatedun...
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go to washington DC..I went there along with a million or so, press said a few thousand..lol ..security everywhere, capitol police, SS (secret serv),DC police, road barriers that pop up (see video of police car hitting one)..access to pols limited, why would americans want to see the congress? I came away learning mass protests are ignored by MSM and .gov if they are mostly white middle class. 2. pols need massive security, I guess somebody must hate them real bad, what did they do to deserve to fear the people??..connecting dots I now think they work for something other than the American people, and they do things that make them fear US.

Mr H FORD, once said about the Federal reserve that if American people understood the money system they would revolt..I think he could of added todays .gov security state..cops will always have jobs, as congress works for elite NWO. and conservatives are shocked the GOP never does anything they promise, but support this current president who they say they hate..what a game. there is only those with power and those with none.

"it's a big club and you and I are not in it."

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 09:09 | 5860742 gcjohns1971
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BS,

A private COP can be fired.

A private COP can be excluded from unions such that the hiring company can either let go a misbehaving police-officer, or lose the contract.

A private COP faces competition.  If too many people complain, they lose the contract to a competitor.

A private COP is not protected by 'qualified immunity' wherein any illegal activities they engage in would be considered to be in furtherance of their government position.  If a public COP shoots you in the head in the middle of a prosperous area in broad daylight, there won't even be a criminal investigation unless the public forces one, just an administrative hearing to justify it, with anything he says taken as evidence, and anything anyone else says taken as circumstantial.

Private police are superior to public police because their future is tied to public satisfaction...so long as the entity they work for is sufficiently close to the people (which most are).

Most of the population of the US doesn't live in large cities.  They live in suburbs.  Both the cities and suburbs are incorporated.  But the ratio of public authorities to citizens is greater in smaller incorporated areas. 

In the smaller entities you can show up at your councilman's house, or office without an appointment...and he'll pretty much have to see you or have a good reason not to.

TRY THAT IN A BIG CITY!

Smaller areas are the ones hiring private police...because they can hold them accountable.

Police power must be held at the lowest possible level, or they become abusive.   Police must have greater consequences for misbehavior than ordinary people because they are in a position of trust.  Private police in smaller communities, or subdivisions of metro areas do that.

Keep police forces small.  Keep them local.  Keep them responsible to those they police.  This is a recipe for effective policing.

 

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 09:48 | 5860873 Itinerant
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A B S U R D

All acts by private police should lead to charges of assault, and many of those by the current public police should also lead ot charges of assault, reckless endangerment and hosts of other felonies.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 09:55 | 5860907 Bearwagon
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Maybe it's appropriate to spend a moment or two in remembrance  of the "moment of freedom", in which you will be asked and your answer will be accepted. You gotta realise when it happens, under all circumstances, because when it's over, it'll be over forever and never come back. You will never be asked again, and nothing you say will ever be accepted again.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 10:36 | 5861100 Who was that ma...
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So, you're saying that, if I own a small business, say, a small breakfast restaurant, and I determine that a customer is causing a disturbance in my restaurant I can assume the duties of a police officer, demand to see his identification, detain him, issue him a summons, arrest him and, if he should resist arrest, I can wrestle him to the ground, taze him or even shoot him?  And beyond that, I can authorize my waitress and my grill cook to become my "private police force", and do the same?   Somehow, that doesn't quite ring true.  I think there is a grain of truth to the above article but it is mostly rabble-rousing bullshit.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 14:58 | 5862217 TeethVillage88s
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Makes me want to repeat my Rant that the USA, New York City and Ferguson, MO are proof of British Style Colonialism. And like getting blacks indoctrinated into the Police force to police other blacks in big cities. And like how wealthy and Capitalists are assumed to be respectable and honorable, but the Peons in the Street are not.

Use Limo, have armed guards, live in exclusive apartments and compounds... and you are above the law. Your lawyer army can take all comers in court over 3-4 years of expensive maneuvers.

- Special Courts for poor, no, you face armies of lawyers
- Small Business faces big corporation in court, who wins? the Big wealthy Guy

- House of Lords
- No representation for commoners since we have Lobbying and No Limit Campaign Contributions thru PACs, and McCain Feingold, and free lunches, plane rides, weekend vacations, seminars, conferences

- Royal US Congress? Royal Bloomberg? Royal Chicago Mayer?

- Oh and we have complicated rules to keep you studying since leisure time is not a right any more

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 10:44 | 5861135 freakscene
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Which is worse, this, or the expansion of Federal Agencies that are acquiring weapons and armored vehicles along with Police Power? How many have their own friggin SWAT teams?? The Railroad Retirement Board has one. NOAA has its own law enforcement division!

I fear those fuckers much worse than the guy making $13 bucks an hour keeping food on his family's table hired as a Security Guard for Company X

 

 

 

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 11:31 | 5861320 nah
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in my experiences with career criminals I have found that the criminals want information much more than victims or law enforcement

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you can have wives, children, husbands all petition one another and the community with witness testimony and private investigators

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but it seems the felons are the ones who act on the information, allowed free reign to visit the scene of the crime with their freinds busting the locks to crank out some burglary while they are at it making the victims pay for everything, even the lawyers to set them free again.

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monsters feed on the sickness and weakness of society.  They actually think they are calling the shots like we are their puppets worshipping at their organized crime temple, when gangs are really just a support group for people who dont respect honest relationships and prvate property.  Sociopaths are intimidated by long term commitment, personal identity, and strong relationships and so seek to cause harm.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 12:10 | 5861483 flacorps
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Florida for one regulates security guards through the Secretary of State's office. Perhaps not thoroughly. But the framework is in place.

Fri, 03/06/2015 - 14:49 | 5862171 TeethVillage88s
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Expanded duties greatly like in other states. wow.

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"The Secretary of State of Florida is a constitutional officer of the state government of the U.S. state of Florida, established by the original 1838 state constitution.[1]"

"Like the corresponding officials in other states, the original charge of the Secretary of State — to be the "Keeper of the Great Seal" — has expanded greatly since the office was first created. According to the state website, "Today, the Secretary of State is Florida's Chief of Elections, Chief Cultural Officer, the State Protocol Officer and the head of the Department of State."[1]"

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