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Ukraine, Neocons And Neonazis
Submitted by Raul Ilargi Meijer via The Automatic Earth blog,
See, by now you would think that anyone who reads that all 31 US banks that were tested have passed the Fed stress test, knows this says absolutely nothing about the banks, but all the more about the test. You would think. But the media try – and succeed – to cram it down the public’s throat as a success story anyway.
There’s simply a very strong feeling, if not conviction, in the western media, that they’ve won the propaganda battle. They have no adversary other than the blogosphere, and since they reach a thousand times more people, who are to a (wo)man more complacent and gullible than any of your typical interwebs readers, Bob’s their uncle.
But come on guys, are we really going to let this happen without raising our voices or even batting as much as one of our eyes? We’re drowning in nonsense here, and we’re prepared to just die without even trying to swim?
Look, I find real fun in reading that the UK House of Lords issues a report that claims 150,000 jobs will be created by 2050 in the ‘drone industry’, and at the same time clamors for a ‘personal drone registry’. I mean, these guys are way too old to even know how to spell ‘drone’. But that’s just mindless ‘journalism’, and to a point innocent.
What is not is the two portraits of US girl power in Ukraine from the Guardian and Bloomberg that appeared over the past two days. That’s not innocent, that’s vile and bastardly lies. Victoria Nuland and Natalie Jaresko should not be praised by the western media, they should be taken apart bone by bone, because the roles they play are far too shady to stand up to our alleged democratic principles.
Bloomberg is, well, Bloomberg, but why the Guardian gets involved in this sort of apologetic feel-good ‘reporting’ is beyond me. Other than: how much does it pay?! I mean, who needs a brain when you have a keyboard? Nuland and her hubby Robert Kagan – and don’t you even try and make me picture them in bed together plotting fresh invasions – are the flashing neon signs for everything neocon in America today.
She has – more or less voluntarily – admitted to staging the year-old Kiev coup and installing US puppet Yatsenyuk as Ukraine PM, as well as pushing $5 billion in US taxpayer funds to various Ukraine ‘charities’ to make it happen.
And then the Guardian has the gall to present her as your average American girl next door? Nuland creates wars, and misery, and bloodshed, and she does so fully convinced she’s serving some deity’s purpose. She should have long since been removed from any and all offices, but she’s still in place, which paints a damning enough picture of US politics all by itself.
Yeah, sure, let’s make Victoria look normal, right, Guardian?
Victoria Nuland: Russia’s Actions In Ukraine Conflict An ‘Invasion’
Assistant secretary of state Victoria Nuland has admitted the US considers Russia’s actions in Ukraine “an invasion”, in what may be the first time a senior American official has used the term to describe a conflict that has killed more than 6,000 people. Speaking before the House committee on foreign affairs, Nuland was asked by representative Brian Higgins about Russia’s support of rebels in eastern Ukraine, through weapons, heavy armor, money and soldiers: “In practical terms does that constitute an invasion?”
Nuland at first replied that “we have made clear that Russia is responsible for fielding this war,” until pressed by Higgins to answer “yes or no” whether it constitutes an invasion. “We have used that word in the past, yes,” Nuland said, apparently marking the first time a senior official has allowed the term in reference to Russia’s interference in eastern Ukraine, and not simply its continued occupation of the Crimean peninsula.
Obama administration officials across departments have strenuously avoided calling the conflict an invasion for months, instead performing verbal contortions to describe an “incursion”, “violation of territorial sovereignty” and an “escalation of aggression”. In November Vice-President Joe Biden, who has acted as one of Obama’s primary liaisons with the Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, rapidly corrected himself after breaking from the White House’s careful language on CNN, saying “When the Russians invaded – crossed the border – into Ukraine, it was, ‘My god. It’s over.’”
But that’s nothing compared to today’s Bloomberg portrait of Natalie Jaresko, the US stooge installed late last year to run Ukraine’s economy into the ground as finance minister. This is something else altogether. The first thing that comes to mind is: ‘have you no shame?’, but then you realize it’s Bloomberg. The subtitle is: Why Natalie Jaresko Is As Important As The Country’s Generals. I kid you not. In days of old, the CIA would have had to look through the Yellow Pages, but this time around I’m pretty sure they used Facebook to find Americans with Ukie blood ties. They then pumped her full of dollars, 100s of millions of them, and then she was ready to go. Mind you, she was picked way ahead of the regime change a year ago. The whole thing was planned well in advance. 10 years or so in advance.
C’mon, the first paragraph alone should be profoundly sickening to any functioning neuron:
The American Woman Who Stands Between Putin and Ukraine
Ukraine is a nation at war, which is why Natalie Jaresko, the minister of finance, has traveled 20 miles from Kiev to the town of Irpin, a settlement of 40,000 on the edge of a pine forest. She’s here to visit a rearguard army hospital and to console convalescing veterans of recent battles against Russian forces and their proxies in the Ukrainian east. “Where did you serve?” she asks, moving slowly from room to room. “How were you wounded?” She may be from Chicago’s West Side, but she speaks Ukrainian fluently, and if anyone notices her American accent, no one seems to care. Jaresko tells the soldiers they’re heroes, the country’s national accountant handling a job for generals. The crisis has thrust people into unlikely roles.
Three months ago, Jaresko, 49, left the private equity firm that she co-founded in Ukraine in 2006 to join the government of Petro Poroshenko. At the time, Jaresko didn’t even have Ukrainian citizenship. Now, as the country’s top economic official, she’s Ukraine’s liaison to the World Bank, the IMF, and the European Bank for Reconstruction and Development. Tax reform is hers. So is the treasury.
The country’s bankrupt. So much so that no amount of IMF funding can change that. Besides, a substantial amount of whatever funding will be made available, will need to go to what is still called an army, lest Kiev loses out completely against the rebels it has tried to annihilate for a year now. But it can get worse, just read this bit:
[..].. whether Ukraine succeeds as an independent democratic nation arguably depends as much on the efforts of Jaresko and her colleagues as it does on the military battles. Together they must rebuild a shattered economy and restore international confidence in Ukraine while confronting the corruption and cronyism that have haunted the country since the fall of communism. And they must somehow do so as state-owned banks teeter on the brink of collapse, the national treasury counts its last foreign notes, and inflation is at 28% and rising. The longer the war carries on and reforms are delayed, the more hostile Ukrainians will become to their government and its Western supporters, leaving the country even more vulnerable to Vladimir Putin.
Uh-uh. The people will turn against the US and EU, but they don’t really know what’s good for them do they? Even if they hate the heebees out of us, we must still protect them from Vlad the Impaler. Sorry, it’s for your own good…
Jaresko, 5 feet 6 inches tall, wears her dark hair at chin length. As she continues through the Irpin hospital, she’s solemn, respectful. More soldiers receive her, cramped two and three to closetlike rooms, jammed into beds sized for children. They discuss their lack of firepower in the field: Why don’t we have modern weapons? How does the enemy know where we are all the time? Jaresko listens. She knows better than any general that Ukraine doesn’t have the funds to better arm itself. She asks the soldiers what they plan to do once they’ve recovered. To a man, they say they’ll return to the front lines.
Ex-f##king-cuse me, but since I know anywhere between half a million to over a full million men have fled the country just to escape serving in the Kiev army, I’m wondering what lengths Bloomberg’s Brett Forrest and his new-found Mother Teresa went through to find a hospital where defeated soldiers, to a man no less, claimed they’d go back if only they could. Who believes this shit? And who needs it to begin with?
Yada yada, Jaresko life story, Ellis Island, Chicago, yada yada, and then this:
In the mid-1990s, Ukraine endured hyperinflation of 10,000%. A few years later came the shock waves of Russia’s financial crisis. The Ukrainian economy showed its first signs of growth only in 2000, after almost a decade of decline. Then, in 2004, came the Orange Revolution. While the country entered a new period of uncertainty, international institutional investors began to arrive. Two years later, Jaresko and three partners opened investment management firm Horizon Capital. It managed the Western NIS Enterprise Fund and eventually raised two more. When she left last December, it had roughly $600 million of Ukrainian investments under management.
I don’t think that’s Ukrainian investments, I’m thinking it’s western investments in Ukraine. Jaresko was set up very well, financially. From the $5 billion VIctoria Nuland admitted the US had spent to change the regime. She’s a well paid stooge. You do have to wonder what’s left of Jaresko’s riches now that Kiev’s as broke as a wino in the dead of winter.
Last year’s regime change, Jaresko says, represented a real turning point—a chance to finally end kleptocratic rule. “Anyone close to Ukraine understood that this was an incredible moment to take Ukraine forward in a way that it hadn’t gone quickly enough over the past 22 years,” she says. “That there had been a radical change in civil society, and that civil society’s expectations could no longer be put on the back burner by anyone.”
‘Forward’ in this case apparently means into war and bankruptcy, that’s all that’s been accomplished. Yeah, sure, Nuland’s neocons understood that ‘this was an incredible moment to take Ukraine forward in a way that it hadn’t gone quickly enough over the past 22 years..’ Just read that sentence again knowing it comes from that woman, and knowing she’s helped bring down the entire nation. It gives it a whole other meaning.
Yada yada, headhunting firm happenstanced upon an American CEO in Kiev (there’s so many of them it’s hard to keep track ;-)). “They played hard on my patriotism..” “I sometimes wonder what my father would think..” Please hand me a bucket!
Then some to and fro about how the state is too weak to fight Russia – which they’re not, they’re fighting their own citizens -, and paragraphs of financial blubber and outright lies, culminating in:
…economics minister Abromavicius saying his office projects a 5.5% reduction in the economy this year. That doesn’t take into account Putin’s future actions in the east. We work under the assumption that there will be peace very soon, he says. This conflict is misguided. The Russian leadership is misguided about Ukraine in general. They just don’t understand Ukraine. This country wants to be left alone. This country wants to make its own decisions.
‘This country wants to make its own decisions?’ Well, you should have made sure you didn’t go broke then. Because from here on in, you’ll never again make any decision you can call your own, and that includes choosing the color of toilet paper in your government offices. The US will do that for you. That’s why Jaresko is where she is. Ukraine had a lot more freedom before Maidan.
As the young government’s leaders and supporters tirelessly point out, the war with Russia has so far been contained to less than 10% of Ukraine’s territory.
First, there is no war with Russia, only with Ukrainian citizens. And if it’s less than 10% of the territory, that’s only because the rebels have no claim on anything but their own land. They don’t want Kiev, they just want Kiev to leave them alone and stop killing their women and children. But if it won’t, the rebels will take more territory, just so Kiev can’t use it to attack them anymore.
But it must be convenient to be able to hang an entire country’s demise on one person, no matter what happens. I just read that US House Speaker Boehner sent a letter to Obama claiming that Russia’s actions in Ukraine are a ‘grotesque violation of international law’. If that is so, what does that say about America’s actions in Ukraine?
The US must withdraw Nuland and Jaresko from their respective positions starting yesterday morning. But they won’t, they have achieved exactly what they were aiming for: a nation so shattered it’s dependent on US and IMF money just to survive, just to pay for the ink needed to draw its borders on a map.
From here on, it’s just a matter of waiting for Putin to get so sick of all this he decides he can’t let Kiev go down any further, lest all that’s left is neonazis and neocons, and they start aiming their US and/or UAE supplied ‘lethal defensive’ weapons eastward. And then they’ll get what they’ve wanted all along, Yatsenyuk and Poroshenko and Nuland and Jaresko: They’ll get War. But it won’t come the way they envisioned it. Putin’s way too smart for that.
Anyway, what a shameless depiction of Ukraine we get here. It’s all-out propaganda, no prisoners taken. I’m getting tired of getting angry about it, but someone has to.
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And who owns the media spewing propaganda?? The tribe.
... Russian Military Unveils Revolutionary Electronic Warfare System
… The Richag-AV system, mounted on the Mi-8MTPR1 (a variant of the Mi-8MTB5-1 helicopter) is said to have no global equivalent. Its electronic countermeasures system is designed to jam radar, sonar and other detection systems in the aims of defending aircraft, helicopters, drones, ground and naval forces against air-to-air and surface-to-air defense systems within a radius of several hundred kilometers. It can be mounted on units from any branch of the armed forces, including helicopters and airplanes, as well as ground and ship-based forces…
It seems the story about Donald Cook’s Aegis missile defense system being jammed in the Black Sea was not THAT outlandish after all. ;-)
Looney
http://sputniknews.com/military/20150304/1019042643.html
"But come on guys, are we really going to let this happen without raising our voices or even batting as much as one of our eyes? We’re drowning in nonsense here, and we’re prepared to just die without even trying to swim?"
Frustrating, isn't it? You'll get past that.
Easy NoDebt, it's a phase we all go through.
Jews invade each country, one at a time, get a hold of the money printing press and the media, and presto, the Jews win. The entire planet has been taken over by the Jewish virus. They have global power to counterfeit currency for themselves while at the same time they tax us to death. We are sentenced and enslaved to usurious loans and a mountain of unending taxes. Parasitic pricks. They aren't out-smarting us, they're out-EVILing us.
Most I talk with accept their incineration mostly sighing and saying "Oh well, Not much one can do about it,,, smile and walk off.
IMHO if it comes to that, those bastards are the most deserving....
I prefer flying above the bullshit over swimming in it if I can help it; however, like a famous fictitious Captain once said, you need wings it piles up so fast.
It's like tribbles.
Tribbles of bullshit spilling everywhere.
When it comes to weapons technology that is simple but extremely effective, Russia is second to none… The US does make wonderful weaponry, as well, but it requires amazing amounts of upkeep, and is mostly for show. Stealth is all BS, the infrared signature left by the engines cannot be concealed or made “stealthy” and the infrared detection systems currently used by various countries are extremely effective in detecting such infrared.
Yeah . like the F-35 the built that won't take bombs that were suipposed to carry .. we sure are good at building CRAP so LM or Boeing can make out .. but what it is puting out in aircraft sucks moldy gym socks. http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.com/2014/12/f-35-news-plane-will-be-declar...
F-35 News. The plane will be declared IOC but its gun won't work?The Pentagon’s newest stealth jet, the nearly $400 billion Joint Strike Fighter, won’t be able to fire its gun during operational missions until 2019, three to four years after it becomes operational.Even though the Joint Strike Fighter, or F-35, is supposed to join frontline U.S. Marine Corps fighter squadrons next year and Air Force units in 2016, the jet’s software does not yet have the ability to shoot its 25mm cannon.
They don't like guns on jets because it relies too much on the pilot. They like fire and forget. If I remember right, the Phantoms in Viet Nam did not have gones - didn't need them anymore in modern warefare. So whoever was flying those NV Migs, just got close. Too close for the fire-and-forget to work and wasted a lot of American hardware. Filled up the Hanoi Hilton as well.
Fire and forget was a term that emerged in the early 1980s in regard to the development of the active-homing AMRAAM seeker. It was theoretical, it never really existed in tactical practice, until the AESA Superhornet and omni-directional networked secure links made it finally possible to literally fire and forget the missile and have high expectations of getting a kill in that way.
The term has subsequently been applied to any missile (A2A or A2G) a pilot could launch and allow to autonomously track to targets, even moving targets.
Many bombs are now 'drop and forget' as well. You can fire on many more targets, much quicker, and evade and egress the engagement zone sooner, and faster, thus greatly increasing aircraft survivability and surprise.
All missile engagements in Vietnam were hardly fire and forget!
Even the short range IR missiles required you to be close and following a maneuvering jet, and it may need a follow-up shot. So there was zero fire and forget. Even the Sparrow BVR missile of that era was semi-active radar-homing and took signals from the launch aircraft's radar to update its path to the target (hence engagements that way often failed). So fire and forget did not exist at all in the Vietnam era.
All current generation missiles are genuine fire and forget, and all are very effective, at all aspect engagements.
The Hanoi Hilton was mostly populated by people shot down by SAMs, and especially by AAA, and not by fighters.
Despite the myth and perception, the reality was that there were proportionately very few air to air fights against the North Vietnamese, during the ten year course of the war compared to massive numbers of ground based air defense engagement, which were very effective indeed. The vast majority of US losses came from low-level fight over enormous numbers of AAA cannon and heavy machine gun fire.
Early laser guided bombs were developed specifically, back then, to get above the fierce ground fire, with the required precision to still hit targets reliably. Then heavy SAMs became the remaining threat for the fast LGB-launching F-111 (the first type to routinely use LGBs) because they were both faster and had much longer legs than any fighter the North Vietnamese had.
So the lesson of attack paradigm was learned hard, precision stand-off was essential, plus speed, plus effective self-defense missile capabilities.
So the modern multirole attack strikefighter concept began with the F/A-18A, from Nov 1978. The initial F-16A was a pure fighter, with no attack capability. But even then, neither of those was designed to utilize fire and forget missiles. That came about over ten years latter, with the AMRAAM introduction in Sept 1991, and more capable all-aspect true fire and forget IR missiles followed. Now there are many.
So 'fire and forget' emerged as a technology during the mid to late 1980s AMRAAM development, and came into service in useful numbers for combat in the mid-1990s. Many Western air forces didn't get fire and forget BVR missiles until about 2000 to 2005 time frame.
i.e. it emerged in the west 20 to 30 years after Vietnam had ended.
That is silly nonsense.
The cannon is a very low priority weapon compared to all others it will carry. In most mission roles it will not even be loaded with ammunition. You don't fill bomb racks with weapons you don't intend to use, and will not need, and the same applies to the gun. F/A-18/F and F-15E attack jets are not always loaded with gun ammunition. It is a tactical choice to do a job, like any other weapon. If it's not needed it won't be used. Given the Marines are in the F-35B and it already has tight payload weight limitations when operating STOL, it is doubly likely that ammunition will not be loaded for the gun if it is not going to be needed for a mission role.
The number of cannon duels between US strike fighters and opposing aircraft during the past 20 years is less than one. The last time the US killed an aircraft with the gun was on 15th October 1972. And during the entire Vietnam war there were only 39 US gun fight kills, all the rest were with missiles.
Since 1972 all Western 'dogfights' and 'furballs' that resulted in shoot downs were executed with missiles. So guns fights have not re-occurred in 43 years!
I remember reading about an F-15 using its air to air gun to strafe and protect a downed helicopter crew in Afghanistan a few years back where there were zero air defenses involved and there was no other option left. The gun was the last choice, not the first.
But as time has gone on the distance between jets fighting has also increased and guns have fallen into total disuse. I think the last time guns were widely used between aircraft, internationally, was during the 1981-82 Israeli-Syrian air war. I can't remember a single instance internationally since except an instance between Israeli and Greek F-16s last decade over the Med, something no one wanted to talk about, but something that occurs very often (an Israeli jet fired using guns on a Greek F-16).
In the case of the F-35, the whole point of low-observability of the spectral signature and deep high-res sensor integrations, into a wide-field image, is to limit exposures and maintain and manage radius to an enemy flight, to thus manage the pace and tactical choices of the flight, and maximize flanking opportunities with the least exposure, and maintain the best geometry and distance for kinematic defense against missiles.
As that's the fight the F-35 was specifically designed to make, in air combat (i.e. present the geometric aspect that provides the best possible low-observable signature, by design, from that range of angles) it is a pretty safe bet that merging for a knife fight in a phone booth, will not be occurring again, deliberately, nor by tactical choice, any time soon.
In fact it is known western air forces train to fly to not allow degradation of radius to merger, but to see first, and manoeuvr first (not shoot first), to control the fight, and to be seen last, when the opponent has not had time to be ready for the fight, and already is compromised from several different directions.
The advantages of the F-35 and F-22signature dramatically increases with radial distance increase, so distance management to the aircraft they chose to engage, is critical, deliberately maximized and maintained, to reduce signature and detection opportunities.
That in a nutshell is the whole point and aim of 5th-gen air-to-air combat paradigm, be sneaky, don't be seen, setup so all advantages are your, then kill.
Plus anywhere the F-35 is attacking there will be F-22A nearby as cover and a regional AWACs picture piped direct into cockpits, showing all unidentified airborne contacts to be seen and located in the pilots field of view on the sky, then sensors cued and prioritized to find and target it.
This has never been possible prior. So there is in fact no option available to sneak up on either F-35, F-22A or F/A-18E/F/Gs undetected, during any full-scale air campaign. High altitude drones with long-range multispectral telescopic sensors will remotely identify the source of unidentified airborne contacts from hundreds of km away which removes the problem of previously needing to close-in to identify a contact, and classify it as friend, foe or neutral, which required entering its engagement envelop.
The 5th-gen system of systems no longer needs to get in close enough for them to see you, and give them an opportunity to fire, before you can identify them.
So the prior vulnerability created by the need to identify contacts at close range before firing is essentially managed into non-existence or a low level impediment with low risks, and the opportunity for an enemy to engage first has been systematically eliminated.
So now it's a tactical question of do we want to engage here, or wait half an hour for better conditions, until this guy is low on fuel, first, and then get an easy kill as he's returning to base and unable to fight back, or run away.
i.e. don't get close, don't get seen, manage distance, wait, set up the ambush, reveal to distract, then kill with a missile from another direction. i.e. STEALTH!
That's what 'stealth' fighter really means.
Using guns is the diametric of the stealth engagement concept. And there are no current air combat roles that would require engagement with guns! Use of guns would automatically be deemed a tactical air-combat manoeuvring failure.
There is an issue with regard to the SDBII racks fitting internally, and that will be addressed in upgrades to that weapon, not to the F-35 (although it is also is being altered, as required, as occurs also on the B1 and B2 every time a new weapon is integrated internally on them, i.e. nothing unusual). But the F-35 can carry SDBIIs externally.
Indeed the RAAF just finished a series of fight tests of the new JDAM-ER, that will be used on the F-35A and Superhornets, and will no doubt be adopted widely by Allies:
So not only with the F-35 have the signature advantage, its standoff distance with a powerful glide bomb just tippled making successful SAM engagement very unlikely (not to mention the many other tricks it has to play if it is engaged).
So it's the whole package that makes the aircraft so effective at both air combat and strike/attack roles. People wanting to nit-pick a certain aspect, and pretend that amounts to something, that it does not, are simply reveling in pointless foolish confirmation-bias.
Whatever.
The reality is this is going to be an extremely dangerous and incredibly effective attack aircraft, and only a fool would ignore the obvious implications of its unmatched abilities and survivability, which is far greater than anything else flying at the moment.
And they are flying, several countries are taking delivery of initial aircraft lots, and are training with them in the US.
See also:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-17/japan-preparing-war#comment-579...
Your link said: "Sorry, the page you were looking for in this blog does not exist."
But as you were quoting an Australian website, the full-rate block production will be in the order of $105 mill USD, per stand-alone plane, last I checked, and Australia budgeted up to $15 billion for up to 100 of them. At the current exchange rate that's enough money to buy approximately 111 F-35A in AUD. Only 72 have been ordered so far, pending later block development. So the ticket cost is about where it was predicted to come-in at. It's an imaginary political figure anyway, as the real costs are in support facilities, parts, logistics, training, direct and indirect operating costs over the operational life-cycle, plus weapons and mid-life upgrades.
That is not in the ticket price but that is the cost of ownership and operational readiness. So the total cost over 30-years is MUCH higher than that ticket price, in the same way it was MUCH higher for every jet that was ever owned, or operated, by the air force.
Same - same ... no change there.
F-35 is an expensive shit . Aussie nato fanboy . The F35 is a piece of shit. They only wanted 1 but had to buy 6 just to have a non-zero chance of getting one in the air at any given time.
Because everything you say is totally believable, makes complete sense and is like, never 100% wholesale garbage, it's all super-duper truthy, renascence man incarnates as child's cartoon character and bares light of banal insentience to darkened wastes.
Yeah . like the F-35 the built that won't take bombs that were suipposed to carry .. we sure are good at building CRAP so LM or Boeing can make out .. but what it is puting out in aircraft sucks moldy gym socks. http://snafu-solomon.blogspot.com/2014/12/f-35-news-plane-will-be-declar...
F-35 News. The plane will be declared IOC but its gun won't work?The Pentagon’s newest stealth jet, the nearly $400 billion Joint Strike Fighter, won’t be able to fire its gun during operational missions until 2019, three to four years after it becomes operational.Even though the Joint Strike Fighter, or F-35, is supposed to join frontline U.S. Marine Corps fighter squadrons next year and Air Force units in 2016, the jet’s software does not yet have the ability to shoot its 25mm cannon.
The problem with US (and Western systems in general) is lack of component interchangeability. There is a sense of "Re-Invention of the Wheel" for each module / component (I'm referring to fully-formed "components" such as aircraft, not "nuts'n'bolts", obviously! :-) ).
Most (if not ALL) Russian systems share common core design standards, significant inter-operability, and significant component commonality. This is reflected in the ability to "chop and change" warheads over a wide range of delivery systems, either with no modification, or with minimal modification fully amenable to "battlefield" operations.
As to IR signature, you've got to wonder who thought up the "Stealth" BS in the first case, especially in view of the pretty high "Standard" thermal resolution of all those "Weather Satellites" operated by nearly every advanced economy. If "public domain" thermal data is published showing a 0.1C resolution (IR thermometry), it'll be hardly the surprise of the century to realise that "just, maybe" Military involvement in the spec. of these ostensibly "Peacetime" satellites might just have provided them ALL with the fine (sub-metre) resolution to act as an effective high-altitude IR tracking station network, if only to provide targeting data for ground-based high-power fine beam radars.
Don't think this is possible? http://www.dx.com/p/keyi-dt-380-non-contact-digital-infrared-ir-thermometer-w-laser-sight-black-yellow-2-x-aaa-266864#.VPomJU39l9A
"Cheap and Nasty" acc. to the Sinophobes that frequent ZH, but actually works just fine. This $20 off-the shelf, very much "bottom of the market" mass-produced device can "tell the difference" between a sky image, and a modern jet aircraft flying through that sky (about 0.2 - 0.3C on a thermal background of around -70 - -75C). The models that use a 9v power source have a better (thermal) resolution, for literally "only a few dollars more" . . . . .
Now consider the billions spent Globally by the Global MIC on development of "Mil. Spec." IR guidance and tracking systems . . . . . .
Entirely technically right Parrotile, as usual.
The reality of speed = airframe heating is why the US went with transonic F-117A and B2, to reduce thermal detectability and remain low(er)-observable.
Utilizing ceramics and epoxy compounds to improve thermal signature of leading edges helps too. They lose heat fast if you suddenly slow down so you can go from easy to detect to much harder to detect. Engine output reduces in parallel as you slow, plus a light ceramic coated engine core cools down real fast too, and air mixed with in with exhaust gasses (as per typical turbofan bypass air mixing after the hot section) greatly reduces the heat spike in the emissions that would quickly give away even a point source transient at a distance.
And radiation's inverse square law with radius increase still means that the emission detectability foot-print will shrink as you slow.
One of the often given alleged 'problems' with the F-35 is it is too 'slow' compared to older fighters, and that is entirely deliberate. Those fast fighters are like a welders torch blazing in the sky, who the hell would want to be in that.
It's the same reason why the US has cancelled the supersonic versions of recent new stealthy missile developments and gone with the subsonic versions - much more effective. an keep in mind, these are being tested against the top shelf sensors.
The point is always signature reduction and its radial detectability footprint reduction. And you know how area scales with radius, so halve the detection footprint radius, and you've quartered the potential for detectors to see it (assuming homogenous distribution of sensors, which is not to be unexpected, if you want to cover the whole area).
There's nothing to stop an F-35A from infiltrating an airspace at 250 knots and that's why is has 2.7 times the internal fuel load of an F-16C. It can cruise slowly in, at a very efficient range-extending low power fuel-burn setting, providing extra time (remember, its a very clean low drag design) so making minimal heat, then strike, then leave the area, slowly, quietly.
But if seen, either attack, or, and hit the burners and vamoose as fast as its leading-edge treatments will allow, before they thermally de-laminate. And I'm sure its war-time dash speed for egress will be much higher than what's advertised.
You never tell the truth about that stuff.
And if you burn-up a squadron's leading edges, they can be replaced. Burned out 14 engines in war setting power, you can rebuild them to zero-hour. You've just sneaked-in and killed the air defense system's core defense capacities! You have probably save 50 to 100 aircraft being lost in the first 24 hours. You've got out alive. So who cares if 10 F-35s were abused getting you out?
The need for stealth attack tactics rapidly declines once the first sorties of strikes hit the core of the air defense network and systems, then you can load them up with double of triple the bombs and fuel and go in as fast as you like. Then all the non-stealthy fighters can line up to go in on the third wave.
Keep in mind, the F-22A was designed to be able to do that too, and both jets have the power to weight to accelerate very quickly in clean (stealth) config. People just assume the F-22A = speed, without looking at that big scalloped wing and fuel loading and vectored thrust for pitch and realize it can do slower and much lower thermal and noise signature infiltration as well.
If you knock out the comms nodes that the sensors use, and jam radio comms, the sensors still can't tell an IADs what they can see.
It still comes down to who can sneak in and get the first coordinated hits. And keep in mind, the small cruise missiles are now 400 to 1000 km (min) range, with stealth, plus will use radar clutter and terrain to mask the approach. Small equals lower signature. F-35 is small for that reason too, as was the F-117A. So the even smaller missiles can go in first, highly coordinated for time over target, with weapon hits within a few seconds, to pluck out the eyes and pull off the ears.
And take note in some videos of JASSM that even with the swept wing it can fly with a high-angle of attack to the airstream, i.e. it can fly at a very slow controlled speed when it needs to, or even just glide in slowly and quietly, with engine off, from high altitude. Which is why JSOW C1 works and is about to go into USN service as its primary offensive stealth glide bomb (the C1 version of JSOW has been in development since May 2007 btw, so not just a minor tweak of the old version). Highly swept wings result in a nose-high attitude when an aircraft is slow, so when you see a nose-high JASSM in the 'cruise' phase, that tells you it's moving very slowly on purpose. That's a part of its ingress flight possibilities, it can sneak in slowly.
Take note also of the lower rear shape and its extension on a JASSM, it is designed to both assist flight at high-angle of attack and to shield the hot exhaust from below and side as it cruises slowly past. So imagine what a JASSM-ER with so much more fuel can do with that slow style of approach. Maybe you now understand how the 'ER' version can have the same external dimensions as the normal version, but has well over double its range. It isn't just a smaller lighter warhead with a higher velocity explosive.
It doesn't matter if it cruises in at 150 knots as it's most likely going to go unseen and unheard. And why expect to see it on the sky's background? It can fly in the bushes and has autonomous navigation in terminal phase for that reason, supplemented with an autonomous IR sensor to find its way in electronic jamming (probably an embedded TERCOM derivative system).
As soon as the pre infiltrated F-35 and F-22 pilots see distant fireballs they can execute their strike and then have a very good chance of success. It's the system of systems that makes stealth work and it only has to work for about an hour.
The Russians spent 25 years straight telling themselves that stealth won't work, doesn't work, and they're about that far behind, as a result. They have neither the aircraft, technology, comms or weapons for it, and they do not have the systems of systems that will allow it to work. The Chinese are far from it too but further along than Russia. Yes, Russia has relatively good passive IRST systems but their jets were made to go fast, and to make lots of thermal heat as they do so. The airframes and engines remain hot as they slow, plus the hot engines basically hang outside of the airframe on all their their top-tier fighters, and maritime strike aircraft. Which is kinda nuts. Plus they exhibit strong radar returns and obvious comms and sensor emission. Plus their weapons are even worse, nothing remotely subtle there!
But to top it all off, their T50 'answer' to the F-22A is pretty much just as bad within all those areas. So I can understand why Putin blew his stack in 2013, about the lack of Russian high-tech development in the Russian defense industry to develop new and competitive fighter designs.
So people can and do claim that "it won't work, its all bullshit", etc., ... but if I can detect an opponent long before they can detect me, because I've raised the bar for detection thresholds and/or also increased the noise floor level, and they haven't to a competitive level, then it's them who are going to be fucked.
So no problem and good luck to them, there are many ways to skin a cat. ;-)
The problem is that the British clearly demonstrated the ability to track a "Stealth" aircraft via IR alone, and over a useful range a few decades ago. "Weather Satellites" (' cause we suspect they may have "added capability" :-) ) will definitely have a look-down role, and this will be a problem for high-mounted engines, even if the bypass ratio is very high (which incidentally conserves fuel as you know), so, with a "Public Domain" thermal resolution of about 0.1C, the efflux temperature differential (even if running at flight idle) will be readily discernible. Add on the high probablity of IR optics with a spatial resolution comparable to present surveillance visual - spectrum optics, and the balance may not be so well tilted in favour of the US / Coalition ('cause that'll be what it will be called) Forces.
Going by the many very clear statements from within the Russian military, if any attack on Russia (which now includes Sevastopol / Crimea) is "successful", the risk of nuclear retaliation is right up there in the Russian suite of "tools we are prepared to use", and if that happens air superiority might turn out to be not as great a thing as the West might have hoped for.
Although I live on the south coast of Australia, I have no doubt as to the effect on us of even a "modest" Nuclear conflict between the US and anyone else with the means to retaliate in kind. All those "hopes" of "fallout being constrained to the Northern Hemisphere" are just that, since the short term and medium term effects on atmospheric circulation patterns are unknown, and probably unknowable. Add in the loss of transnational disaster response capability, and the future becomes very unpleasant indeed, for everyone.
Yeah, all comparative supposition. I'm sure you're familiar with active constellations of satellites tracking reflective wake turbulence that allows both aircraft and missiles to be detected and tracked by proxy (OTHR can do it too). The LO aircraft or missile becomes conspicuous by wake turbulence minus a return from an airframe, or a return disproportionately small compared to the wake.
The trick would be to reduce the turbulence, but wake turbulence is a proportionate bi-product of lift created to counter weight and drag. So there's no solution to it but to make less lift, via less weight, and less drag and speed, hence less down-wash off the wings, from less angle of attack used to counter sink. Hence small, slow, light but long-range armed UCAVs have the best chance of escaping such detection. Point is, there are always ways around deterction. You can be clever or blunt, ASAT hard-kill, or just hack it and burn it up.
I made the above points because such a stealth battle would not be fought totally unlike the silly comparisons we often see published as 'serious' analytical efforts of air to air capabilities, etc. Hopefully the remarks made at least hint at what the real comparative situation, and the sort of tactics that would be used. It would be nothing like a head-to-head BVR missile duel by lines of opposing fighters facing off and closing and firing at each other. i.e like some absurd 17th century line-up to take turns shooting each other. I can't believe anyone actually writes shit like that today, but they do, and foolish people read it and buy into 100% of it, believing every word, and zero capacity to question it.
So if pointing out the above in detail helps them to not be so gullible or daft, it's a start.
Thanks for all your commentary, and as usual it's pretty solid and devoid of hearsay, so a change from the hype and hyperbole seen "elsewhere"! Any thoughts on this? http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2014/04/28/new-u-s-stealth-jet-can...
One of my Registrars is Chinese, with family "in the Military", specifically high up in ELINT / ECM / ECCM development. Seems the Chinese sweatshop electronics industry is running it's own "Disseminated Skunk Works", along with Russia, with a lot of very "no-one knows what's going on" activities in such big names as Uni-Trend, OWON and Rigol, all of whom have a very good reputation in developing test / measurement systems. Certainly Uni-Trend are getting a LOT of Military money for definitely "non-Civilian" projects, but there the information stops. Complete and total dead end, with nada even on the more "fringe" internet fora!
Certainly, all these "Stealth Companies within Companies" are highly compartmentalised, all fully independent of the "host" Companies, all with very carefully vetted staff (various Nationalities, not just Chinese), but again, nothing else, not even "wild speculation".
"Something is afoot", and no doubt we'll find out in due course (as usual)
A large aperture VHF antenna emitter is even more visible and precisely locatable than a jammer, and this is the gaping hole in the logic of VHF active detectability arguments.
As soon as it pops up its done - as with any other EW radar.
VHF is still primarily line of sight, so geometrically must be close (within standoff anti-radiation missile range). RWRs will detect it adn triangulate it before the radar can locate the F-35, and line of sight can be evaded via terrain-masking and clutter.
The B2 is not designed to be tactical, it only came to be used that way, via the end of the cold war, so the design imperative was for maximized stealth. Ailerons are enough, as it's job is to never be seen even once, except maybe when the bomb bay is opened to release nukes. But if seeding cruise missiles that can be done out of range of SAMs. The point of the design was getting to launch point and launching, not necessarily for surviving a launch detection.
F-35 requires managing being seen, not prevent being seen. Tactical aircraft do that all the time now as a matter of course. The F-35 will just be seen a lot less, when present. F-111s were also specifically designed to fly low to evade radar detections via terrain masking, so low-observability was implicit in their terrain following radar and internal weapons carriage, and speed. So low observability was tactically achieved in the F-111 via manoeuvreing.
As fighter radars got better this became less ideal but still worked well in close terrain but would not work well over open water any more, and there was a lot of that to the north. And that was the F-111's downfall, a loss of tactical stealth required a fighter that could do the same job, with similar range, and be able to defend itself against top-tier fighters and kill them (plus have better standoff weapons to increase evasion options).
Enter the Superhornet which has a long list of low-observability optimizations, that most people don't know about, but it still can't operate actually stealthily, it just reduces the detection and tracking range footprint some. The F-35 will simply regain the full ability to get into firing or launch positions without being detected and get out as fast as the F-111 once could.
But the F-35 can also operate in the open at high-altitude with better fuel-burn, so better range performance while low observable, plus better weapon launch-toss, and better escape options via converting altitude to speed and sustained manoeuvre. Plus F-35s (and Hornets) have an order of magnitude improved standoff range. So F-35 exposure to effective SAM or fighter interception can be chosen to be nearly zero and still kill assigned targets.
Consequently VHF EW amounts to no effective threat or defendable difference in practice, just another target to kill with LO missiles that SAMs would struggle to find, let lone track and successfully engage. SAMs lighting up would just turn them into a target. They would have to move immediately to survive thereafter.
This VHF story is a part of the Russian's trying to convincing themselves that stealth capability doesn't matter but the radars and SAMs are toast. They only take that line because they don't have tactical stealth, almost at all, they remain totally exposed to it.
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EDIT: after some sleep, RE your other comments:
ECCM, as you would know, is generally missile and support system oriented to defend against a counter missiles or electronic defeat. I'm sure the Chinese are looking for recourse to try and defeat autonomous multispectral sensors and unjammable precision nav systems, plus ways to interrupt secure 'uninteruptable' duplex net comms, and things like weapon antenna orientation and noise degradation.
At the moment fibre optic lasers are also everywhere in the West, and the US has issued two contacts to develop actual tactical laser add-ons to current fighters and bombers (pod-based or conformable I expect) presumably to kill missile seekers and fighter sensors and take the other guy's mind off firing.
The US is also busy adding 5th-gen tech and comms to the 4th gen systems (mostly with two new pod-based network comms systems and sensors) to provide the same two-way battle picture flow as the F-35 and Superhornets will have. Plus late-build F-15s, finally ending production in 2019, and newer F-16s, will be flying to 2030 due to the lack of F-22A numbers, which will have to be addressed, and the delays in F-35 production. So those all have to be bought up to the standard of the superhornet's ability to integrate with the F-35 in battle, and communicate with it as a peer, and see its battle picture and data, as the F-35 will also become a netwrok of defacto ISR platforms, like nothing seen before.
The Chinese are well behind and trying to bridge more urgent gaps, so reverse engineering hardware and concepts is going to be a big deal. The Russians wanted to sell them 48 Su-35s (minimum) as they figured 48 covers the development cost before the Chinese reverse-engineer the good bits. The radar is really the only hardware it's got they need (but no code, but can copy software function in time, if they have the jet itself). But the Chinese insisted they'll buy only 24, knowing the Russians would give in, because Russia's desperate for any new-build foreign fighter sales. Even their best stuff is really old hat now. So the Russians are desperate and massively behind and only now fielding convincing precision strike aircraft in useful numbers (with very questionable survivability btw), about 30 years after the West (convincingly) did it in large numbers.
And the Chinese need to accelerate development (steal and RE) the things that make fifth-gen work, competitively. They're of course looking for the ways to degrade or disrupt key systems, making a coordinated first-strike ineffective, which is key to everything else and to IADS continuing to work.
So for the West, continued development of secure stealthy comms and unjammable precision strike tech is key, and that occurs unseen, so is impossible to gauge by looking at hardware. It can only be inferred, and all clues will be made dubious and misleading. What is known is westrn forces are rapidly moving away from GPS, and from active systems where possible. Hence the billions spent in passive and autonomous nav systems (UK Taranis bomber for instance). It seems the West has solved the alternate precision navigation and weapon guidance sans GPS, within JASSM / LRASM / NGLAW. And that approach is being applied to all other munitions kits, and drone nav, and fighter and bomber avionics, rendering satellite jamming, or their destruction, ineffective and merely a redundant system degrading with little tactical and data picture effect.
As the West was (and much still is) everything the Chinese and Russians have is largely stove-piped and mismatched. It's great to have new hardware but if it's not talking to and seeing everything else securely, fast and uninterruptably, and can cope with escalating systematic degradation ... .
everything the Chinese and Russians have is largely stove-piped and mismatched . Yup now your ignorance and fanboyism has been justified . F-15 s were shot down by Indian AF . They were shot down in Syria ( jordanian f-15s) . They were shot down in yemen ( 2 saudi f-15's ) . But you know we muricans are invincible and tech is superior and flawless . Your rabble is a rhapsody of quantitative irrelevance . Good luck with living in such an arrognace and ignorance .
Yeah, our hundreds of billion dollar air force can blow rusty old f-4's out of the sky like in Iraq, and hell, Afghanistan didnt even have an air force to speak of.
But how well these forces would do against up-to-date Russian or Chincom air forces is a very uncertain thing.
Iraq in 1990 had zip F4s, they never operated that jet. Iran and Turkey do though.
It was equipped primarily with French and Russian fighters with a sprinkling of MiG29s but the Iraqis more recent fighter purchases were Mirages and they much preferred them, and were trying to buy more. News reports of the era ignored and hid the inconvenient fact that Saddam's best top-tier fighter force against the western aircraft were recently supplied western F1 Mirages (83 of them). They instead pumped the cock-'n-bull story that it was all about some of the MiG29s (41 in total operational at the start) running away to Iran to survive the airfield attacks. But you will find nothing in the MSM about what happened to the twice as many Mirages that were the backbone of the Iraqi air combat force.
It was not such a small air force either and the air combat was fairly continuous. Here are the known F1 mirage shoot-downs from A2A extracted:
Complete list of air combat by Saddam's air force here: (note that the intro text states Saddam's air force was the world's fourth largest, which is of course BS, but it was not small or incapable):
Air engagements of the Gulf War
But in 2003 Iraq basically had no effective air force left and they also offered no fight. MiG-21s and MiG-23s were the mainstay with a handful of Su25s and MiG25 recon aircraft. The number totaled about 90 still barely operational aircraft and similar number cannibalized for parts. It was in no condition to fight the Kabul glider club.
I agree exactly man with your views and it proves you're just another fanboy who know nothing about Rus or Chink military hardware and just keep boasting on US hardware and tech and how superior unmatched and unparalled they are lol . You're a complete twisted sick pea-brain fool ! and an utterly sick WANKER besides. If you believe US can invade and win over eurasia you must get your brain checked . US can wave its dick globally by stretching its military globally which isn't required by either china or russia to do so . I wish my words had the same impact as a bat upside the head, because that's what is needed you puke.
Double post.
Another "Connection Reset" thingy.... getting a lot of those.
Exactly my thoughts when I read that yesterday.
Your info/disinformation comes from sputnicinternational.
PS
Rossiya Segodnya is an international news agency founded by a decree of the Russian President on 9 December 2013. "Rossiya Segodnya" directly translates from Russian into English as "Russia Today", but should not be confused with the TV network RT, which was known as Russia Today prior to 2009.[1] However, the station is sometimes referred to as "Russia Today" or the "New Russia Today" in foreign media.[2][3][4]
Rossiya Segodnya incorporates the former RIA Novosti news service and the international radio service Voice of Russia (formerly Radio Moscow). According to the Decree of the President of Russia, the mandate of the new agency is to "provide information on Russian state policy and Russian life and society for audiences abroad."[1] Putin's chief of staff, Sergei Ivanov, said that Rossiya Segodnya was being created in order to increase the cost efficiency in Russian state media.[5] However, RIA Novosti's report about the move speculated it was an attempt to consolidate control over said media,[6] and Western news outlets stated that this was also a move by Putin to propagate a more pleasant image of Russia abroad.[4]
According to a report on the RT news channel, Rossiya Segodnya is "in no way related" to the RT news channel despite the similarity in name (RT was known as Russia Today prior to its rebranding in 2009).[1] However, a report by the BBC states that it "seems likely [...] that [Rossiya Segodnya] will complement the work of the state-funded foreign-language TV station, RT."[7] On 31 December 2013, Margarita Simonyan was appointed editor-in-chief of the news agency, as well as being RT's news channel editor-in-chief. She will serve in both positions concurrently.[8]
On 10 November 2014, the agency launched the Sputnik multimedia platform with Radio Sputnik as its audio component, replacing the Voice of Russia.
So what is your point?
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Where does your info/disinformation come from, Bob?
It is always a good thing to note where your news comes from, and who is paying for the reporters.
This is how you will know what they are not permitted to say.
Ah...the "Fuck Democracy, bitchz!!"
Fucking bitches...
double post
triple post
Men with power are bad, but women usually are MUCH worse.
It seems mankind will only learn it the hard way, that there were some very good reasons WHY women had no right to vote.
Only 100 years after women's right to vote, the West is morally, socially and biologically finished.
Hmmm
..hadn’t thought of it that way before, but they did pretty much give up protecting the nest and civilizing men for some progressive/liberal notion of freedom and equality.
And now that being homo is in fashion, many women can be looked at as just another set of warm, moist orifices - particularly psychos like Noodleman.
Oh, wait a minute.. she, like Hillary, Valerie, Chewie, et al are the refrigerated exceptions.
(Boy, this ought to earm me some junks. :-) )
cunts are still running the world - Jarvis Cocker (featured in the film Children Of Men)
It's double entendre...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=monyiOsoKxg
where is Mix96 these days? LOL
"It seems mankind will only learn it the hard way, that there were some very good reasons WHY women had no right to vote. Only 100 years after women's right to vote, the West is morally, socially and biologically finished."
How much did she take you for? Tissue?
Sounds like you're gonna need the whole box.
Yeah, patriarchy was supposedly such a drag, but historically it does compare well against what occurs on the savannah, and the savannah is what we've got now. I wonder if the promoters/agitators for the women's lip movement now consider their handiwork an unqualified success.
And who is running Ukraine now ,The tribe
so according to you rupert murdoch , ted turner, and a host of other major conglomerate owners are jewish.
Ummm...
http://zionismsucks.com/2014/07/11/jewishzionist-media-domination/
The Guardian sucks neo-con dog dick when it "covers" Russia.
But Bob, you don't complain about Russia Today being controlled lock, stock and barrel by the Russian government.
Now why is that?
It's because you're a silly goose!
Larry!
RT news is balanced. The shows feature both sides fairly. Cross Talk especially but also Thom Hartmann, who approves of the president and defends the democratics. Larry King is there now as well, alimony is a bitch, huh Larry? Abby Martin and a few other shows, (Lauren Lister was wonderful; but this gal is good) are top of the line and worth listening to if you want to hear both sides of the discussion rather than taking sides. This very true fact was used as material in late night comedy shows (small spiels regarding the same introductions, description and content on all 3 major networks, from local level on up. like parrots. Come on. Competition is the only thing which will keep a person honest because no one wants to do business with a dishonest person.
Yeah, the days of "it's better here than Russia" have been replaced by "we're not that much worse than Russia, quit complaining." Happy days.
ZH became no different that RT (Russia Today=Voice of Zionist controlled Russia. Do you know that Medvedev=Mendel, the present Prime Minister and the former Russia President is a Jew?)
There are no NAZIs in Ukraine. It is Putin and Poroshenko propaganda. There are nationalists in Ukraine who would like to liberate Ukraine from Zionist invaders.
Unfortunately, Putin's groupies and sympathizers have too little brains to understand that there is a war in Ukraine and Russia between different Zionist-controlled oligarch-crime syndicates. It is like a struggle between the North Side Irish gang led by Bugs Moran and the South Side Italian gang led by Al Capone to take control of organized crime in Chicago. The US government supports the present Ukraine Zionist-oligarch crime syndicate and ZH idiots support the Zionist-controlled Putin oligarch crime syndicate (Putin, Medvedev, Vekselberg, Abramovitch, Rottenbergs, etc.,). Remember that after becoming the Russia President, the first Putin foreign trip was to Israel?
ZH for whatever reasons is very quiet about Zionist Putin-led crime syndicate. It is just disgusting!
Get used to it, this is Cult of Putin HQ. and according to ZH the only people with no agenda in the world is Putin and Ron Paul.
Fuck you and the donkey ass you rode in on. Give me a fucking break, "Putin HQ". How about "let's state the obvious HQ": US says Putin shot down the Malaysian airliner, then the "investigation" and the cockpit tapes disappear without a trace. Kerry says Putin is sending tanks, oh look zero proof of that either. Goose-stepping Nazis shoot peaceful people in Maidan Square, lots of proof of that, oh let's ignore that. Nuland on the phone talking about which puppet to put in after the latest CIA coup, oh let's bury that.
And as for Ron Paul, fuck you. America would be in 100 times better shape today had the Republican Party not stolen the primaries from him.
Go back to Fox News you fucking fascist.
I didn't down vote you, you aren't worth the effort. Run that lip out, son.
Well you and your bullshit are worth the down vote. For posterity's sake, [Votes are stripped out of the archives.] you are down 12 to nothing at this point.
The truth being said so blunt and all was like cold water in the face, huh Bob? :-)
Truth hurts kool-aiders .
Here you go, roadhazard - a future ZHer Andrey Grachev and current unfortunate member of the regular Ukraine Army (hardly a Cult of Putin member):
Ukraine Soldiers Name Their Worst Enemy: "The A**holes in Kiev Who Sent Us Here to Die" (Video)
This isn't Russian Insider reporting on second-hand information - they just translated what Grachev said. This soldier is on facebook and posted this YouTube video (English subtitled version here). Five million views so far. Are there that many Cult of Putin members that watch Ukrainian videos??
Some highlights courtesy of the RI translation:
Since this is a UAF soldier in the ATO, I'm guessing he's not a big Putin fan. At what point in the video does he blame Putin? Ukrainian media is the most censored and controlled in the world. The only thing this guy could have possibly heard in the last year on Ukraine TV or read in Ukraine newspapers is how evil Putin is. Yet this guy has no words for Putin and instead blames Porky? Now what does that tell you?
The trouble with framing your opinion within the boundaries defined by Western media is you sound as assinine as they do - they are trying to influence simple minds with TV-commerical psychology. It's targeted to the Big-Gulp, Hot Pockets scooter crowd at Wal*Mart. You can't polish up their logic to make it sound like critical thinking.
Thank you Paveway IV, and excellent comment yesterday on Syria. Podium of UN General Assembly grade material !!!
Laser-guided and deadly destruction of his pathetic propaganda. Well done. Your avatar was an excellent choice.
You seem to be stuck in some kind of false dichotomy. It's not that we don't think Putin and Ron Paul have agendas of their own, it's just that we prefer their agenda to the agenda of everyone else.
It is possible to not like Putin but still find him preferable to Netanyahu, for example.
There's no doubt that Putin has the Tribe all around him. Whether this is his own wish or that he just cannot get rid of them I don't know.
caconhma illustrates the degree of denial of reality required to be a part of the Kiev Kartofel Korps:
Amazing. Next you'll tell that this week alone the Russians have invaded Ukraine three times.
Propagandists, delusional people like to oppose a political ideology to a form of government. A sure win in confusion land. And a clear attempt to avoid discussing the reality.
Correct, Bob, there are no nazis in Ukraine. Here's Merriam Webster's definition of Nazi [which may conflict with Bob's definition]:
1 : a member of a German fascist party controlling Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler 2 often not capitalized a : one who espouses the beliefs and policies of the German Nazis : fascist b : one who is likened to a German Nazi : a harshly domineering, dictatorial, or intolerant person. Folks like Bob love the word 'nazi' for the strong negative association it conjures. Unfortunately, it's not applicable to contemporary Ukraine.Unfortunately, It seems like alot of ZH posters are naive twits, who are emotionally invested in the idea that the enemy of your enemy is ALWAYS your friend. Putin is a lying, sociopath, tyrant. Just like the lying, sociopath, tyrants who rule the west. That and the FSB trolls this page like the bunch of lurking snakes that they are.
Eat a fucking dick... During Yeltsin years the Russian Mafia ran the nation... poverty was at 30%... After Putin the mafia is gone and "In the last eight years, real incomes in Russia more than doubled while poverty halved. The proportion of population living below the poverty line decreased from 30% in 2000 to 14% now. The average wage increased from 2,200 rubles ($90) to 12,500 rubles ($500) over the past eight years, and the average pension, from 823 rubles ($33) to 3,500 rubles ($140). Most importantly, wages and benefits have been growing faster than inflation (by 20%-25% in 2007)." this is as of 2008.
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20080301/100381963.html#ixzz3Te7o6Jwr
Again eat a dick... any leader that can do this for his nation whethers he is from US, Russian, China, German,etc. deserves some praise. However, it doesnt mean that he is an angel.
3500 rubles!...what do they call the 1,000 ruble note?
Seems it would be much easier to carry around ;-)
Downvoted you for your misuse of 'alot'.
Oh,yeah, and for the idiotic comment.
I downvoted you for being a raging cunt. Maybe if you meet up with the other FSB lapdogs patrolling this forum, you can have a syntax secret police gangbang.
Jizpot .
https://larussophobe.wordpress.com/putinmurders/
*p.s. worst forum posting format in the history of worst posting formats.
If you dont like it you can simply fuck off
You sound rather angry, Bob. :-)
Amerikan patriot how many multiple accounts you have made hasbara cheeky cunt ?
Nah, I think I'll hang around and continue to mix it up with intellectual giants such as yourself. Oh, and while you're at it visualize Yourself blowing a bag of fat baby dicks you pretentious fuck.
so who is Paruiby? Fascist & Security Head for the present government last October
Victoria Nuland, former policy advisor to Dick Cheney, married to the founding member of PNAC, Robert Kagan.
Alfreda Bikowsky of the CIA, who sat on the data which could have prevented 9/11 from taking place, then lied to Congress about their illegal torture program.
Maureen Baginski, the SIGINT Director at NSA: "9/11 is a gift to NSA"
Hillary Clinton, who kept classified and highly senstive data on her unsecured private email server.
What exactly is wrong with this Grrll Power Picture?
Strongly recomended reading:
They Know Everything About You, by Robert Scheer
Open Secret, by Erin Arvedlund
Everything's a conspiracy! :-)
At least Hillary won't be pushing an nuke buttons in the next four years.
Truly terrifying thinking about that witch with her claws on the lauch switch.
When everyone is dead, will it really matter who's hand pressed the launch button? One way or another everyone will be dead too, including the rich fools who think they can survive on their yachts or private islands. After all the bombs go off, all of the nuclear reactors melt, and all the used fuel in the pools at all the reactors spew into the biosphere, there won't be anywhere to hide.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xvhBoF_pCHo
Not to worry, TPTB will find some other sociopath to do their dirty work. And then the Amerikan sheople will vote for the candidates.
Don't ever bet on that outcome.
Most of the Western populace seem to have a memory that would make the average goldfish borderline MENSA material (by comparison), AND there's the tricky issue of the Diebold system, and who (or what) "counts" the votes . . . . .
If those "pulling the strings" decide that Hitlery is the best "candidate" for tham, Hitlery will be the first female US President. Absolutely safe bet.
Some people still believe Obie has plans to vacate the office?
Nuland at just the right level in the fiasco for a hot cup of plonium tea; and deservedly so.
She should avoid London, then.
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2014/07/31/theresa-may-raises-an-o...
They need Nuland talking about threats and presented as a 'Good Guy' because they need to pound the table yelling "DEFENSE!" when the debt limit debate gets serious in a few days.
I'm sorry. I hate the things I say too. But I call it like I see it.
Ukraine's the "best crisis they've see in years" as far as the MIC is concerned! With East-West tensions being ratcheted-up to "beyond Cold War Hysteria" levels (the MIC can now add in "The Chinese are coming" to the anti-Russian hysteria), this is truly a "once in a lifetime" opportunity for pork-barreling on a grand scale.
All that "Defence" Spending is good for GDP too . . . . . . . (hence the meteoric rise in purchases of top-end luxury cars / boats / planes / property).
It is impossible to know what is really going on with an entire ocean of deceit just by watching tides rise and fall on opposing coast lines. And that is what we are given to watch, tides rising and falling.
I suspect the ocean currents that are swirling hidden away may intend to drown us all.
Man i keep getting booted from zh when im on my shitty iphone. There must be some malicious code on the site now
"Man i keep getting booted from zh when im on my shitty iphone. There must be some malicious code on the site now"
You might consider replacing your iPhone with YotaPhone or GranitePhone.
Or the smartphone (sic) that Micro$oft just came out with:
The Lumia, Version NSA
They are puppets of the old guard.
Nothing new under the sun.
The old guard will always be miserable while old men.
maybe
Nuland.Fuck this bitch Nuland. What a low-life piece of shit. I hope this cunt has to fuck Henry Kissinger in hell for all eternity.
No, I'm not a fan of Victoria Nuland or what the US neocons have done to Ukraine.
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Then you probably won't like what she's been up to in Georgia.
http://journal-neo.org/2015/03/04/victoria-nuland-s-secret-coup-d-etat-i...
This is sick. I hope Putin shows no mercy when these fucks push his last button.
Vlad's just going to soil himself, Bob. Sorry to burst your bubble.
This supports my theory that the Zionists, now accepting of the fact that 90% of them do not have any semitic DNA in them and are in fact descendants of the ancient khazarian kingdom which just so happens to be where eastern Ukraine, the caucuses and Russia now occupy, want to create Israel 2.0
Putin needs to nip this shit in the bud.
Victoria nuland is such a dirty cunt. Now I sound like Inthemix 96.
The American Valkyries - Hillary Clinton, Susan Rice, Samantha Power, Victoria Nuland, Anne-Marie Slaughter . These warmongering bimbos are all hell bent on dragging us in WWIII.
I'm not saying that she deserves a Death Sentence - I prefer we lay out "all" the facts that we can first; and we need a Criminal Court/Parliament/Military Panel Hearing / War Tribunal (hosted by Congress_USA, UKR, NovoRossyian, Crimea_RUS, or Multilateral) for that - but considering all that she's allegedly involved with, I'm surprised she hasn't been nailed by Maidan Victims and East/Crimean Residents who suffered from her handiwork.
That being said, I'm leaning on presuming that any injuries and deaths that are brought about by the Coup-mongers with Team_USA (Active Duty or Contractor) advisors onhand would qualify the aforementioned as Enemy Combatants - therefore "free game" for any counterstrike/eradication operations. We learned a tough lesson in Beirut decades ago - unnecessarily sending in our Troops to intervene in other Peoples' Conflicts - I'd rather not see our DoD run that gambit again.
re Nuland creates wars, and misery, and bloodshed, and she does so fully convinced she’s serving some deity’s purpose.
ZIO-HAG Nudleman IS "serving some diety's purpose": SATAN's
Every thing about VICHY DC including these two FILTHY CUNTS stinks of SHIT.
They'll be on stand-by to evacuate once the lunatics of the Right Sector begin baying for Blood in the realisation that Ukraine is FUCKED.
If a foreign entity took out Vichy DC my only sadness would be that there were not enough patriots left to do it ourselves
I cry for my historic homeland.
My Grandfather left Ukraine in 1915, his ship was stop by a vessel of the German imperial navy in the Baltic Sea. They very efficiently (as Germans are) examined all the passports, and declared every man aged 18 or older as a citizen of the Austro-Hungarian Empire, fresh Navy recruits and removed them from the ship! My Grandfather being around 14 years old, was allowed to continue to Montreal where he joined some Uncles, eventually settling on 40 acres of tundra in Manitoba.
About ten years ago I brought the son of a freind to be inducted into the Ukraine army. I figured it would be good for him: get some dicipline ad some exercise. The mother was very worried about it but I thought it would be OK. I mean, what were the chances of war? Relations with Poland and Romania were good and who would be stupid enough to start a war with Russia.
What a nieve fool I was.
I would love to salute the Bloomberg article about the heroes of the Ukrainian Volkland but in some place raising the right arm with a straightened hand upward is still frowned upon. Not much longer apparently.
Yeah, you see it in Moscow alot... heck, they even call themselves NASHIES.
does anyone really think vlad will let himself/russia be subjugated by the west? bye, bye, western hemisphere before that gets anywhere near off the ground.
It will likely get to be a hot war real fast when it re-ignites.
It will likely have some very bright flashes...
Not like we haven't seen them already. How many 'meteorites' have to buzz Chelyabinsk, or even Florida, before we see the level that this conflict is at? Military satellites exploding after 20 years from a heat spike? Each side is making a clear statement that they have the necessary tools, and are prepared to use them.
Yeah but the flashes only last a nanosecond before you are part of the universe dust.
The ultimate recycling programme. After all, we are all composed of elements forged in supernovae from aeons before the birth of "our" small star system, and no doubt our "component parts" will someday be resurrected as parts of other forms of life, maybe life we'd recognise, maybe not.
Then the cycle will continue, possibly until the very "end" of time as we recognise it, maybe in 10e100 years' time?? http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/128807-the-end-of-the-universe
Watched a 30 for 30 film called Of Miracles and Men last night about the 1980 US v USSR hockey game from the point of view from the Soviet's national team. The surrealest part for me was the american jingoism in dealing with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. They had a news clip of Brokaw saying "the Soviet Union has invaded the small, sovereign nation of Afghanistan" and people were handing out flyers "Free Afghanistan". To think 20 some years later, we'd be invading that same exact country and carrying ourselves in the same horrible way as the "evil" Soviets did back in the day. Glad to see the torch of totalitarianism has been passed so subtly.
Soviet was already there, building infrastucture and schools. Educating. Civilization.
Many Soviet citizens there, Moderate Afghans who were against radicals.
It was in USSR interests to stabilize Afghanistan and support the moderate government.
Girls could attend school protected from radicals. Later many were killed for wanting
education, even by their own Fathers and realatives.
President was murdered by radicals during overthrow enabled by forces outside the country.
Soviets entered more forces after this overthrow only.
Afghan fighter whose Father was killed by the radicals
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xc2KeSkl5H0
understand close, and know that Afghanistan different than you were told.
Thanks for add the historical truth here, Volkodav!
Lest anyone forget:
We know this now from the published memoirs of Secretary of Defense, Robert Gates (about his C.I.A. career and titled From the Shadows) and an interview between Brzezinski (at that time President Carter's national security advisor) and French news magazine, Le Nouvel Observateur. (Major thanks to globalresearch.ca site and the French news magazine.)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html
http://economicpopulist.com/content/exploitation-inc-david-rockefeller-and-adventures-global-finance
"whether Ukraine succeeds as an independent democratic nation arguably depends as much on the efforts of Jaresko and her colleagues as it does on the military battles. Together they must rebuild a shattered economy and restore international confidence in Ukraine while confronting the corruption and cronyism that have haunted the country since the fall of communism.
Good luck with that, as long as Nazis will hold the reins of the country. Or bankers, it's the same.
And please stop calling Putin "Vlad".
VLAD IS NOT THE DIMINUTIVE OF VLADIMIR. The short form of Vladimir is Volodia.
Vlad is a name in itself.
http://www.behindthename.com/name/vlad
You are corrent, Vlad stands as a name separate from Vladimir. When decent people hear that name, it usually reminds them of the evil blood-sucking vampires Vlad Blankfein and Vlad Dimon.
The Guardian is chipping in because of the way Russia treats it's fags, this is their chance to piss Putin off for "casually dismissing"(ahem) progressive western norms; and for it, they'll be jumping all over Putin every chance they get. Plus when you bring powerful women into the equation they'll be chomping at the bit to champion them, whoever they are, whatever they are doing - if Hitler had of been female he would never have been out of the Guardian (he was a male fascist though, hence he was never out of the Daily Mail instead).
lol, so true
Fags are weak and western govs rely on having weak citizens. Easily manipulated feminine men don't push back
If you had a dick in your ass you wouldn't push back either.
*belly snort*
That was funny.
She's also spreading her love in Georgia. With as many "colored revolutions" the US foments, we're going to run out of colors to name them all.
"Victoria Nuland’s “Secret” Coup D’etat In Georgia"
http://thenewsdoctors.com/victoria-nulands-secret-coup-detat-in-georgia/
Heorgia's previous Government had as many dual-citizens as the Ukrainian and American ones have now.
My head is still in the gutter when Ukraine is mentioned, ever since the article on Janika Merilo.
[ But the media try – and succeed – to cram it down the public’s throat as a success story anyway.]
It's not 'crammed' down their throats! Just like the fish that take the bait from the fisherman not because it's forced on them, but because it's their nature.
Gullible Americans are gullible because it's the easy way and the easy way is their nature.
They have been lied to about everything, they are down to mowing each others yards and suckling on their governments teat.....
There is nothing left for them except the delusional "we're number one",,, and come hell or high water they will readily accept any line of bullshit that reenforces that image.
http://thenewsdoctors.com/neocon-nuland-lies-about-ukraine-before-congress/
We must help the Ukraine so we can run that pipeline through Syria, and cut of the Russian supply of gas/oil to European Union.
Does anybody really believe that the US, European and my favorite Saudi Arabian oligarchy gives a shit about the Ukrainian people?
Yep and Iran according to Bibi in 1996 is just about to get a nuclear weapon, and if we take out Saddam 2002 the Middle East will be a paradise.
Now bring on Paul wolfowitz, Don Rumsfeld, Richard Perle and Jeb Bush.
well said. I forgot the qatari natgas has to flow through ukraine to get to europe.
thankfully the chinese are more than willing to buy russian gas, and pay for it outside of the dollar.
I've mentioned this before: Southern gaz will not be able to compete with Russian gaz, as the Rusdsian infrastructure in in place and paid for. Plus, remember the three rules: Location, location, location. Southern gaz for Europe is a pipe dream. (I suppose Russian gaz could be embargoed, it being ordained that the patriotic duty of Europeans is to purchase their energy from a bunch of diaper heads, regardless of price.
Let the Qataris build their gas line, along with all the infrastructure needed to maintain flow / pressure, and reliable delivery . . . . .
Then, let's see how easy it'll be to (covertly) fund an anti-regime ISIL lookalike, whose aim is to disrupt this gas line and so diminish Qatari influence. After all there's a lot of dissatisfaction with the Qatari status quo, especially in view of Qatar's activism in destabilising others - http://china.org.cn/opinion/2012-10/19/content_26845336.htm
I'm not sure get all these 20th century playground games. In this era of war by mouse click, Russia is not going to invade Europe through Ukraine. Russia is far too dependent upon European gaz money to blow it off, even though the customers are mostly a bunch of assholes. And I doubt that anybody in NATO believes invading Russia through anybody would be a particularly good idea either. Just ask around.
It also occurs to me that this all really heated up when Russia refused to extradite Edward Snowden after May of 2013 when he flew the coup. (Just forget that the US also refuses Russian extradition requests.) There might be bronze statues of that kid some day, as there should be, not only for what he did but for what he has inspired.
Been saing that too. Russia giving asylum to Snowden absolutely enraged Obunghole
The Nobel Prize winner's precious ego was pricked so thousands have to die for his vengeance
I agree about Snowden.
You have to wonder if Muscleman could get the whole Ukrainian thing arranged in 6 months.
The US had been heading in that direction since 2002.
I actually quite liked the Jaresko article, if only for the picture of a group of banksters blinded by dreams of untold wealth on the proceeds from sale of everything they can steal in Ukraine. Most of them were not raised in Little Russia, they know nearly nothing about the place, they clearly have no idea what they are doing, and they are in complete denial about the seriousness of their situation if they don't get out and stay out, today.
Jaresko herself seems to be your typical first-generation American princess who is convinced she can rescue the old country from itself, and winds up having to be rescued herself. She's every dingbat journalist with jilloff fantasies of tall dark strangers in the mysterious East who goes to a sandnigger-infested hole to make her name and quickly gets gangraped, killed, or both---only older and not nearly as attractive.
Natalie's father, a Little Russian survivor of a Nazi labour camp, never returned to Little Russia after the war and didn't understand why anybody in his right mind would return to post-Soviet "Ukraine"---and was sure he'd raised his daughter to have more sense than to get involved in politics at all, never mind help the same people take over Little Russia who'd hauled her own father off to be a slave in Germany.
I also see her husband came to his senses and ran back to the States years ago, leaving the bitch and her pups behind. I doubt Igor will be in a hurry to pay for Natalie's lawyer when the time comes for her to face Russian justice---and it will.
I kid you not. In days of old, the CIA would have had to look through the Yellow Pages, but this time around I’m pretty sure they used Facebook to find Americans with Ukie blood ties.
Is this becomming the standard level of bullshit from Meijer? The woman has been in Ukraine for years operating the investment fund. She certainly has the understanding of the country to make her an acceptable candidate for the office. And some dumbass writes that she has been there with her family as a CIA plant?
When did this fellow become a Puutie shill? And why?
Ukraine has been a seperate country since the USSR disolved. Puutie went into acquisition mode, paid off the last corrupt leader to keep him from carrying out the country's wishes to join EU, then provide him safe harbor when he ran away. Puutie would not accept failure on the expansion plan so the Russians invaded. Of course the Puutie lappers are responding to the dog whistles screaming from Kremlin. Puutie can share the plunder with them.
So lets see.
Bidens son was made a Director of Ukraines largest natgas company what, 2 days after the coup?
Soros is drooling over privatized assets to come.
Monsanto and all the other mega corps are buying up farmland in Ukraine - the breadbasket of Europe.
Shall I continue noecon/corporatist shill?
Continue all you want, you communist cabbage head.
Soros drools over everything. Privatized assets function more efficiently and pay taxes to the state. Good for Ukraine.
Monsanto has invested in farm land in many countries. Ukraine has always been known as having some very productive areas. The government however would just screw the investors. An associate tried to set up a farming op there 20 years ago. At harvest time his equipment was taken to use on state farms and only returned for repair when it finally failed due to no maintenance.
So what about Biden's idiot son? His presence on a BoD is meaningess and simply an attempt to dress up the letterhead.
Puutie's paid plunderer was recognized by the population a entirely corrupt. He reniged on his election promises. The population needed no instigation to get rid of him. Rather than simply leave office, he ran to his master to enjoy continued luxury living. Will Puutie treat you as well?
Yep the people of Ukraine are very happy now. Tickled pink. They had the best revolution in the history of mankind.
Too bad they never heard the word "counterrevolution."
If you are against the neocon/CIA invasion of Ukraine, you are a communist.
Getting pretty desperate, aren't you? Just imagine if Hollywood did an accurate depiction of the crazy disfunctional retards at Langley?
You are being PARANOID, these toys are for exploration only in Antarctica, but somehow ended up here
/sarc
Natalie Jaresko: currently a US citizen, ex-US State Dept, ex US Embassy in Kiev and former fund manager (US-funded development agency). So obviously not a CIA plant, then.
I used to treat the Guardian as a decent and trustworthy source on most of their articles I have read over the years. But ever since the Snowden revelations I see The Guardian is just another Governement controlled mouthpiece.
The change has been tangible.
Any long time Guardian readers here agree or not?
Completely agree. It's as though someone read the Guardian's senior management their horoscopes after Snowden: I see bad things happening to those who don't go along with the State Department's narrative.
With you bro, Used to read it 9 years ago, but something did bother me.
I got the hump way back, with the demonisation of Serbia.
An old "friend" and ally of the Western Powers.
With friends like these who needs the Gerries.
why is there no mention of religion here, and who is it that wanted to control russia with lenin and trotsky?
Putin has his hands full as Russia is full of this element even controlling the media in Russia! Also PM and Pres of Ukraine and oligarchs are the of the same group.
We should help Putin rather than hinder him. He is one of the few holding up the fort from the onslaught of this evil!
For the record Ukraine does not allow dual citizenship. This never stopped two thirds of the MPs and likely 100% of cabinet ministers and other high officials including the President to hold one other passport. The one with the menorah imprint on the cover. Peculiarly Mme Jaresko was asked about her citizenship status shortly after her appointment. The question was rather pointed: if she denounced her US citizenship, to which she relied in affirmative. That's a pity really considering that government reshuffles are not unheard of in Kiev, and her retirement prospects would now put her within the reach of Kassam rockets.