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Germany Has Had Enough With US Neocons: Berlin "Stunned" At US Desire For War In Ukraine
While Russia's envoy to NATO notes that statements by the deputy head of NATO testify to the fact that the leaders of the bloc want to intervene in Russia’s internal politics, and are "dreaming of Russian Maidan," Washington has a bigger problem... Germany. As Der Spiegel reports, while US President Obama 'supports' Chancellor Merkel's efforts at finding a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis, hawks in Washington seem determined to torpedo Berlin's approach. And NATO's top commander in Europe hasn't been helping either with sources in the Chancellery have referred to Breedlove's comments as "dangerous propaganda."
This is the view of Russia’s permanent envoy to NATO:
“The speech in Riga demonstrates the concern about Russia’s democracy and internal policy. At last, now we know that NATO has a dream, and this dream is a Maidan in Russia,” Aleksandr Grushko said in comment that was tweeted through the Russian representation office in the alliance.
Grushko referred to the words of NATO's deputy secretary general, Alexander Vershbow, who had told a conference in the Latvian capital Riga that President Vladimir Putin's "aim seems to be to turn Ukraine into a failed state and to suppress and discredit alternative voices in Russia, so as to prevent a Russian 'Maidan.'" Both officials used the Ukrainian word ‘Maidan’ to describe a string of protest actions that eventually turned into mass unrest and the ousting of the legally elected president and parliament.
And as Der Spiegel reports, The Germans are not happy.
Breedlove's Bellicosity: Berlin Alarmed by Aggressive NATO Stance on Ukraine
US President Obama supports Chancellor Merkel's efforts at finding a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis. But hawks in Washington seem determined to torpedo Berlin's approach. And NATO's top commander in Europe hasn't been helping either.
It was quiet in eastern Ukraine last Wednesday. Indeed, it was another quiet day in an extended stretch of relative calm. The battles between the Ukrainian army and the pro-Russian separatists had largely stopped and heavy weaponry was being withdrawn. The Minsk cease-fire wasn't holding perfectly, but it was holding.
On that same day, General Philip Breedlove, the top NATO commander in Europe, stepped before the press in Washington. Putin, the 59-year-old said, had once again "upped the ante" in eastern Ukraine -- with "well over a thousand combat vehicles, Russian combat forces, some of their most sophisticated air defense, battalions of artillery" having been sent to the Donbass. "What is clear," Breedlove said, "is that right now, it is not getting better. It is getting worse every day."
German leaders in Berlin were stunned. They didn't understand what Breedlove was talking about. And it wasn't the first time. Once again, the German government, supported by intelligence gathered by the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Germany's foreign intelligence agency, did not share the view of NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR).
The pattern has become a familiar one. For months, Breedlove has been commenting on Russian activities in eastern Ukraine, speaking of troop advances on the border, the amassing of munitions and alleged columns of Russian tanks. Over and over again, Breedlove's numbers have been significantly higher than those in the possession of America's NATO allies in Europe. As such, he is playing directly into the hands of the hardliners in the US Congress and in NATO.
The German government is alarmed. Are the Americans trying to thwart European efforts at mediation led by Chancellor Angela Merkel? Sources in the Chancellery have referred to Breedlove's comments as "dangerous propaganda." Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier even found it necessary recently to bring up Breedlove's comments with NATO General Secretary Jens Stoltenberg.
The 'Super Hawk'
But Breedlove hasn't been the only source of friction. Europeans have also begun to see others as hindrances in their search for a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine conflict. First and foremost among them is Victoria Nuland, head of European affairs at the US State Department. She and others would like to see Washington deliver arms to Ukraine and are supported by Congressional Republicans as well as many powerful Democrats.
Indeed, US President Barack Obama seems almost isolated. He has thrown his support behind Merkel's diplomatic efforts for the time being, but he has also done little to quiet those who would seek to increase tensions with Russia and deliver weapons to Ukraine. Sources in Washington say that Breedlove's bellicose comments are first cleared with the White House and the Pentagon. The general, they say, has the role of the "super hawk," whose role is that of increasing the pressure on America's more reserved trans-Atlantic partners.
A mixture of political argumentation and military propaganda is necessary. But for months now, many in the Chancellery simply shake their heads each time NATO, under Breedlove's leadership, goes public with striking announcements about Russian troop or tank movements. To be sure, neither Berlin's Russia experts nor BND intelligence analysts doubt that Moscow is supporting the pro-Russian separatists. The BND even has proof of such support.
But it is the tone of Breedlove's announcements that makes Berlin uneasy. False claims and exaggerated accounts, warned a top German official during a recent meeting on Ukraine, have put NATO -- and by extension, the entire West -- in danger of losing its credibility.
There are plenty of examples. Just over three weeks ago, during the cease-fire talks in Minsk, the Ukrainian military warned that the Russians -- even as the diplomatic marathon was ongoing -- had moved 50 tanks and dozens of rockets across the border into Luhansk. Just one day earlier, US Lieutenant General Ben Hodges had announced "direct Russian military intervention."
Senior officials in Berlin immediately asked the BND for an assessment, but the intelligence agency's satellite images showed just a few armored vehicles. Even those American intelligence officials who supply the BND with daily situation reports were much more reserved about the incident than Hodges was in his public statements. One intelligence agent says it "remains a riddle until today" how the general reached his conclusions.
Much More Cautious
"The German intelligence services generally appraise the threat level much more cautiously than the Americans do," an international military expert in Kiev confirmed.
At the beginning of the crisis, General Breedlove announced that the Russians had assembled 40,000 troops on the Ukrainian border and warned that an invasion could take place at any moment. The situation, he said, was "incredibly concerning." But intelligence officials from NATO member states had already excluded the possibility of a Russian invasion. They believed that neither the composition nor the equipment of the troops was consistent with an imminent invasion.
The experts contradicted Breedlove's view in almost every respect. There weren't 40,000 soldiers on the border, they believed, rather there were much less than 30,000 and perhaps even fewer than 20,000. Furthermore, most of the military equipment had not been brought to the border for a possible invasion, but had already been there prior to the beginning of the conflict. Furthermore, there was no evidence of logistical preparation for an invasion, such as a field headquarters.
Breedlove, though, repeatedly made inexact, contradictory or even flat-out inaccurate statements. On Nov. 18, 2014, he told the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that there were "regular Russian army units in eastern Ukraine." One day later, he told the website of the German newsmagazine Stern that they weren't fighting units, but "mostly trainers and advisors."
He initially said there were "between 250 and 300" of them, and then "between 300 and 500." For a time, NATO was even saying there were 1,000 of them.
The fact that NATO has no intelligence agency of its own plays into Breedlove's hands. The alliance relies on intelligence gathered by agents from the US, Britain, Germany and other member states. As such, SACEUR has a wide range of information to choose from.
Influencing Breedlove
On Nov. 12, during a visit to Sofia, Bulgaria, Breedlove reported that "we have seen columns of Russian equipment -- primarily Russian tanks, Russian artillery, Russian air defense systems and Russian combat troops -- entering into Ukraine." It was, he noted, "the same thing that OSCE is reporting." But the OSCE had only observed military convoys within eastern Ukraine. OSCE observers had said nothing about troops marching in from Russia.
Breedlove sees no reason to revise his approach. "I stand by all the public statements I have made during the Ukraine crisis," he wrote to SPIEGEL in response to a request for a statement accompanied by a list of his controversial claims. He wrote that it was to be expected that assessments of NATO's intelligence center, which receives information from all 33 alliance members in addition to partner states, doesn't always match assessments made by individual nations. "It is normal that not everyone agrees with the assessments that I provide," he wrote.
He says that NATO's strategy is to "release clear, accurate and timely information regarding ongoing events." He also wrote that: "As an alliance based on the fundamental values of freedom and democracy, our response to propaganda cannot be more propaganda. It can only be the truth."
The German government, meanwhile, is doing what it can to influence Breedlove. Sources in Berlin say that conversations to this end have taken place in recent weeks. But there are many at NATO headquarters in Brussels who are likewise concerned about Breedlove's statements. On Tuesday of last week, Breedlove's public appearances were an official item on the agenda of the North Atlantic Council's weekly lunch meeting. Several ambassadors present criticized Breedlove and expressed their incredulity at some of the commander's statements.
The government in Berlin is concerned that Breedlove's statements could harm the West's credibility. The West can't counter Russian propaganda with its own propaganda, "rather it must use arguments that are worthy of a constitutional state." Berlin sources also say that it has become conspicuous that Breedlove's controversial statements are often made just as a step forward has been made in the difficult negotiations aimed at a political resolution. Berlin sources say that Germany should be able to depend on its allies to support its efforts at peace.
Pressure on Obama
German foreign policy experts are united in their view of Breedlove as a hawk. "I would prefer that Breedlove's comments on political questions be intelligent and reserved," says Social Democrat parliamentarian Niels Annen, for example. "Instead, NATO in the past has always announced a new Russian offensive just as, from our point of view, the time had come for cautious optimism." Annen, who has long specialized in foreign policy, has also been frequently dissatisfied with the information provided by NATO headquarters. "We parliamentarians were often confused by information regarding alleged troop movements that were inconsistent with the information we had," he says.
The pressure on Obama from the Republicans, but also from his own political camp, is intense. Should the ceasefire in eastern Ukraine not hold, it will likely be difficult to continue refusing Kiev's requests for shipments of so-called "defensive weapons." And that would represent a dramatic escalation of the crisis. Moscow has already begun issuing threats in anticipation of such deliveries. "Any weapons deliveries to Kiev will escalate the tensions and would unhinge European security," Nikolai Patrushev, secretary of Russia's national security council, told the Russian newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda on Wednesday.
Although President Obama has decided for the time being to give European diplomacy a chance, hawks like Breedlove or Victoria Nuland are doing what they can to pave the way for weapons deliveries. "We can fight against the Europeans, fight against them rhetorically," Nuland said during a private meeting of American officials on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference at the beginning of February.
In reporting on the meeting later, the German tabloid Bild reported that Nuland referred to the chancellor's early February trip to Moscow for talks with Putin as "Merkel's Moscow stuff." No wonder, then, that people in Berlin have the impression that important power brokers in Washington are working against the Europeans. Berlin officials have noticed that, following the visit of American politicians or military leaders in Kiev, Ukrainian officials are much more bellicose and optimistic about the Ukrainian military's ability to win the conflict on the battlefield. "We then have to laboriously bring the Ukrainians back onto the course of negotiations," said one Berlin official.
Nuland Diplomacy
Nuland, who is seen as a possible secretary of state should the Republicans win back the White House in next year's presidential election, is an important voice in US policy concerning Ukraine and Russia. She has never sought to hide her emotional bond to Russia, even saying "I love Russia." Her grandparents immigrated to the US from Bessarabia, which belonged to the Russian empire at the time. Nuland speaks Russian fluently.
She is also very direct. She can be very keen and entertaining, but has been known to take on an undiplomatic tone -- and has not always been wrong to do so. Mykola Asarov, who was prime minister under toppled Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, recalls that Nuland basically blackmailed Yanukovych in order to prevent greater bloodshed in Kiev during the Maidan protests. "No violence against the protesters or you'll fall," Nuland told him according to Asarov. She also, he said, threatened tough economic and political sanctions against both Ukraine and the country's leaders. According to Asarov, Nuland said that, were violence used against the protesters on Maidan Square, information about the money he and his cronies had taken out of the country would be made public.
Nuland has also been open -- at least internally -- about her contempt for European weakness and is famous for having said "Fuck the EU" during the initial days of the Ukraine crisis in February of 2014. Her husband, the neo-conservative Robert Kagan, is, after all, the originator of the idea that Americans are from Mars and Europeans, unwilling as they are to realize that true security depends on military power, are from Venus.
When it comes to the goal of delivering weapons to Ukraine, Nuland and Breedlove work hand-in-hand. On the first day of the Munich Security Conference, the two gathered the US delegation behind closed doors to discuss their strategy for breaking Europe's resistance to arming Ukraine.
On the seventh floor of the Bayerischer Hof hotel in the heart of Munich, it was Nuland who began coaching. "While talking to the Europeans this weekend, you need to make the case that Russia is putting in more and more offensive stuff while we want to help the Ukrainians defend against these systems," Nuland said. "It is defensive in nature although some of it has lethality."
Training Troops?
Breedlove complemented that with the military details, saying that moderate weapons aid was inevitable -- otherwise neither sanctions nor diplomatic pressure would have any effect. "If we can increase the cost for Russia on the battlefield, the other tools will become more effective," he said. "That's what we should do here."
In Berlin, top politicians have always considered a common position vis-a-vis Russia as a necessary prerequisite for success in peace efforts. For the time being, that common front is still holding, but the dispute is a fundamental one -- and hinges on the question of whether diplomacy can be successful without the threat of military action. Additionally, the trans-Atlantic partners also have differing goals. Whereas the aim of the Franco-German initiative is to stabilize the situation in Ukraine, it is Russia that concerns hawks within the US administration. They want to drive back Moscow's influence in the region and destabilize Putin's power. For them, the dream outcome would be regime change in Moscow.
A massive troop training range is located in Yavoriv in western Ukraine near the Polish border. During Soviet times, it served as the westernmost military district in the Soviet Union. Since 1998, though, it has been used for joint exercises by Ukrainian forces together with the United States and NATO. Yavoriv is also the site where US soldiers want to train members of the Ukrainian National Guard for their future battle against the separatists. According to the Pentagon's plans, American officers would train the Ukrainians on how to use American artillery-locating radar devices. At least that's what US Army in Europe commander Lt. Gen. Hodges announced in January.
The training was actually supposed to start at the beginning of March. Before it began, however, President Obama temporarily put it on hold in order to give the ceasefire agreement reached in Minsk a chance. Still, the hawks remain confident that they will soon come a step closer to their goal. On Tuesday, Hodges said during an appearance in Berlin that he expects the training will still begin at some point this month.
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We don't want them either.
Geez, you’d think they would know all about how that dictatorial psychopathic government thing works.
general Breedwar or Breedhatred? Hes war maniac!
Typical wingnut general. Notice you don't hear the grunts talkin' shit. Gotta go. Dr. Strangelove is about to start.
Nuland knows how to handle you weenies......F%^K You EU......hehhehehe...you don't have the balls to mess with her......
I've seen this movie before.
Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.
Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.
Breedlove? Heading up an army? Can't make this stuff up!!!
Hmmm...Nudelman and Kagan aren't from Mars or Venus are they?
Time for Gemany to kick NATO out of it's territories.
If the EU doesn't get blown up by the financial world, it will get destroyed when the US attacks Russia.
It's my understanding that no state in the US has ever been attacked by another nation. It looks like that's going to change soon.
Pearl Harbour?
Also, why would Europe be destroyed when the USA attacks Russia?
Don't Americans have maps?
Whilst we're on that point you do realise that it is the Arctic which lies between USA and Russia? Europe is a 3,500 mile detour.
The key to it all is stupid brainwwashed American's, but we all know that.
Breedlove sounds eerily like Brigadier General Jack D. Ripper from Dr Strangelove.
"He (Clemenceau) said war was too important to be left to the generals. When he said that, 50 years ago, he might have been right. But today, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids."
great stuff. stanley kubrick was a genius.
"It's my understanding that no state in the US has ever been attacked by another nation. It looks like that's going to change soon."
not only pearl harbor. britain burned the white house in the war of 1812.
not to mention pancho villa who killed eighteen in new mexico in 1916. although the u.s. siding with his rival in the mexican revolution was the main cause, the precepitating event for columbus, n.m. is said to have been an american merchant selling weapons but refusing to deliver even after "Villa . . . paid several thousand dollars in cash for the weapons, but the merchant refused to deliver them unless he was paid in gold, giving "cause" for the raid.[3][5]" (wiki)
People are missing what is going on here - the reason that they are openly talking about this General playing his role as a super-hawk, and openly displaying their policy plans in Brookings Institute papers is psychological - that is psychological control of Russia.They want a controlled predictive response from Russia, the way to get this is to simply telegraph what you are going to do ahead of time - then do it. From this Russia will behave as well in a predictable controlled manner, because they are not operating in a information vacuum, but from a set of variables you provided them.
Look at the movie 'The Interview' There was no comparable psychological tool you could have used on a foreign countries leader to screw with his head - now Kim will be very hesitant to ever shake someone's hand. It will instill paranoia in all his activities, crippling his ability to conduct business. Unknown variables, ghosts in the closet were sent to Kim, Kim is containable. Known variables were sent to Russia as they do not have control of that nation yet. Known actions are sent to Russia to make a contained response that NATO can deal with.
It is a Game Theory analysis - you simply tell your enemy what you are going to do, and by doing so you control them, by controlling the information about you that they have.
They don't realze that Putin, by doing exactly what they don't want, is exploiting their predictable behavior to drive them into a corner, so things then fall apart from internal inconsistencies.
Jews in Germany, Israel, United States are trying to tell the Russian Jews to follow orders. Putin and the rest of his tribe there just want autonomy.
Oh FFS, go play with your little green army guys. You think that was a masterful exercise in PSYOP? Reread the money graf over and over until it sinks in:
Using bluster while looking like a fool does not negate the foolishness of the remarks. Any sentient person with access to YouTube can see the truth. Putin doesn't have to do a thing in response to Breedlove, as intelligent people see the Maidan for the fascist Trojan Horse that it was. Russian people observe people like Ukie MP Iryna Farion making genocidal comments and know that supporting their ethnic brothers and sisters is the right thing to do.
This scene "world's guilt" from judgement at Nuremberg is also enlightening as you read this article.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AjCGpBUCOOM
"not only pearl harbor. britain burned the white house in the war of 1812."
- Hawaii was not a US State in 1941
- The District of Columbia is not a state. [However, the battle of Ft. McHenry would qualify ~ & whereby, yet another illustration of 'bankers' starting wars because the 20 year Charter of the 1st Bank of the United States had expired].
Columbus, New Mexico. You can't make that shit up either.
And Hawaii was not a state in 1941.
But could we bring the British back for just one little mission?
Because the USA stores nuclear weapons in Europe and NATO has operational plans to "share" them with non-nuclear armed countries. In essence by basing nuclear weapons in countries such as Italy where my wife lives, all of Europe is now a target for Russia's nuclear weapons.
So without a strategic nuclear deterrent of their own, Europe has made itself an American aircraft carrier open to tactical nuke strikes from Russia.
Bingo!!
Nuland talks trash while Europe takes all the risk of annihilation.
Somebody should Interview her, I hear her thoughts are fascinating.
Someone should tie the bitch down and let a gang or two have their way with her.
Nudelskank also speaks fluent Russian. Her pestilent family originated there. She claims she loves Russia but what she really loves is the possibility of being appointed SecState so she can go to Moscow and annoy them to their faces by stirring up unrest. And passing out her moldy bread.
There will be no fight in Europe against Russia they will let Russia roll through as they do not want to get bombed to shit again , wnen the war starts France and Germany will go to Russia's side . This war is not about America winning it is about getting rid of the armed American people after all it is easyer to kill 350 million people then control them.
"So without a strategic nuclear deterrent of their own, Europe has made itself an American aircraft carrier open to tactical nuke strikes from Russia."
There are two countries in Europe who have their own nuclear deterrent (France and UK).
Canada lies between the ussa and Russia.
Next up, these batshits start ranting about precious bodily fluids.
So does Alaska
Never been to Alaska? or easier still, look at a map.
hopefully sarah palin will be okay
Japan hit Oregon with a fire balloons in 1944.
http://mentalfloss.com/article/30536/1945-japanese-bomb-exploded-oregon-...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_balloon
Thanks, forgot that one, and I went to highschool in Brookings.33
Thanks, forgot that one, and I went to high school in Brookings.
Virginia was invaded by Lincoln. What the hell is wrong with you?
Just what we need a Zoomie who thinks the Air Force is invincible... They are not Breedlove their not...
General Breedlove, paging General Breedlove, Raytheon public relations on line 2
Come on SW, Lincoln Burned Richmond Hisself !!!
(or in song form)
The night ole Lincoln burned Richmond down
and all the people was saying...
Perhaps here is the spot to raise the current invasion of the US plans:
1. Southern border invasion of Hispanic and complicit operatives.
2. Negro insurrection instigated by commie influence, coming soon.
3. Active recruitment of Jihadi warriors for domestic deployment.
4. Recruitment of Knot head Nationals that feel that total chaos is progressive reform.
Any one thinks that the 57 states are currently free of invasion threat should be sidelined quickly to the FEMA camps for their own security.
Presented with some hyperbole.
57 States? I'll bet you forgot British Columbia.
addendum,and probably the greatest threat,
5. The Free Shit Army, the largest standi..........er .......Army in the world . It would take very small foreign influenced , domestic action to mobilize the generally lethargic to a rabid, rapid overwhelming force.
It sure doesn't help that the evidence is pretty much in on MH17 either...
(Spoiler alert... it was downed by an Su-25)
http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-the-malaysian-airlines-mh17-boeing-was-...
wow...you gotta figure that a bunch of these govt's know exactly what happened to that flight but pretend they don't.
They pretend they don’t know because now the sheep think that Russia did it – mission accomplished.
saddam hussein was behind 9-11.
victoria nuland worked "for" (more like "over") g.w. bush and dick cheney and now she works "for" clinton and obama. the more things change, the more they stay the same.
It's what happens when people are urged or else are urging people to pick sides to fight Jeff, the mentality of the school ground where people yell, "fight-fight-fight!".
That's all that's happening, whether in NATO HQ or in zh threads. Can you remember a time at school when a crowd of people doing that did not result in a fight, or at least a beating?
Ukraine Arms Deal ... er Peace Deal
State deptt troll operating from pacific penal colony
This is some good advice.
http://original.antiwar.com/Michael_Pesek/2015/03/06/an-open-letter-to-p...
Awesome! Thanks!
Isn't it interesting how the MSM always withhold the important information if people belong to the tribe? The Zio-media even turn Nuland into a Russia loving woman, and therefore turning things upside down: a warmongering Jew keen to destroy Russia.
More precisely to avenge the insult of seeing those who were serfs in the Pale of the Settlement ascend to middle class status.
With her fellow tribesmen in charge of domestic policy we are seeing the U.S. population reduced to the status of serfs in the Pale of the Settlement 200 years ago.
It's instinctive with these people. They will not rest until the entire world is reduced to serfdom.
Putin isn't cooperating.
Naw, they're from the Trailer Park Trash and Three Chin Judas Tribes, respectively.
They
@ Chunga--Nudelman and Kagan are both vermin from the parasitic Bolshevik swamp.
Frau Ferkel is just a muppet cocktease, and so is the "concern". It's nothing but political cover for the political whores. If they were seriously alarmed, they would simply revoke General Ripper's diplomatic credentials and issue an arrest warrant for the psychopath.
Riddle me this: How does an occupied country revoke diplomatic credentials of the aggressor's military chief of staff?
The same way a non-occupied country does. The farce MUST be maintained.
Breedlove Strangelove
Tomato Tamato
Lol. Should've scrolled down further. Sorry.
Strangelove maybe?
General Philatio Manlove
I can't wait to see Bath House Barry's uniform.
Goring had some doozies in pastels. I'm sure BHB can find the right color.
But, he will have SIX stars, not 5 or 4.
Idi Amin on stearoids.
Read this:
The Obscenely Easy Exile of Idi Aminhttps://www.globalpolicy.org/component/content/article/164/28440.html
On a reporting trip to Saudi Arabia seven years ago, I went to Idi Amin's house. I had heard that Mr. Amin, the former Ugandan dictator who died last weekend at the age of 78, was living in Jidda, the Red Sea port, and I wanted to see for myself. Was it possible that a man who, in the 1970's, had ordered the deaths of 300,000 of his countrymen, raped and robbed his nation into endless misery and admitted to having eaten human flesh was whiling away his time as a guest of the Saudi government?
It was. There, in a spacious villa behind a white gate, Mr. Amin made his home with a half-dozen of his 30 or so children. He was not there the day I rang (a son said he was out of town), but locals said he could often be seen pushing his cart along the frozen food section of the supermarket, being massaged at the health club, praying at the mosque. He had long ago abandoned his British-style military uniform for the white robe of the Saudi man, but as an African measuring 6-foot-3 and nearly 300 pounds, he did not exactly blend in.
A former Sudanese colonel who worked as a manager at the local supermarket said, "People greet him and say, `Hello, Mr. President.' " Why? Wasn't he a savage dictator?
"Oh yes — he used to eat people," the manager replied, laughing. "But this is our nature. We forget."
But what would prompt the Saudi government to play host to such a man?
The answer, when the question was posed to Saudi officials, was an excursion into the desert habits of hospitality, and Mr. Amin's conversion to Islam. His support for the Arab boycott of Israel in the 1970's certainly also endeared him to his hosts.
During the nearly quarter-century of his soft exile, no nation tried to bring Mr. Amin to justice. A few years ago, after Spain's government went after Chile's former dictator, Augusto Pinochet, Human Rights Watch did bring up Mr. Amin's case to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, but to no avail. Under international law, any nation, including Saudi Arabia, could have and should have prosecuted Mr. Amin.
But, as Reed Brody, special counsel for prosecutions at Human Rights Watch, says, "If you kill one person, you go to jail; if you kill 20, you go to an institution for the insane; if you kill 20,000, you get political asylum." Mr. Brody keeps a melancholy map on his wall of other tyrants gone free: Alfredo Stroessner, dictator of Paraguay, lives in Brazil; Haiti's Raoúl Cedras is in Panama; Mengistu Haile Mariam of Ethiopia is in Zimbabwe; Hissí¨ne Habré of Chad lives in Senegal. Today there is the International Criminal Court, which can bring a future Amin to justice, although the United States is among 100 countries that have shortsightedly declined to participate in the court.
I was sorry not to have had a chance to talk to Mr. Amin directly. But those who did speak with him suggest that I missed little. An Italian journalist, Riccardo Orizio, asked him in 1999 whether he felt remorse. No, Mr. Amin replied, only nostalgia. Six years earlier, a British writer, Tom Stacey, saw him. At one point, Mr. Amin pulled from his pocket a paraphrase of Psalm 22 and commented: "Remember we are special to God. He sees a beauty in us few see."
CHEK THIS OUT: (The ECB assets declined about 1/3, to 2 tn. Gold: (1900 / 3) x 2 = 1267)!!!
http://inflation.us/gold-continues-to-follow-ecb-balance-sheet-extremely...
"I can't wait to see Bath House Barry's uniform."
Here you go
http://www.dezinfo.net/images4/image/09.2013/usa_military/usa_military_0...
First big lie was that Germany declared war, And the lies just flow from that. FAR as USA goes they rewrite history and brainwash that they saved the world. WAS actually the Red Army that defeated Hitler.
Who cares about Europe, just another sacrificial lamb at this point. Which side does China actually fight with?
Is it easier for China to invade Russia or North America? Kinda scary when you think about that isn't it?
Nuland is a true PROGRESSIVE. Let me remind you folks, PROGRESSIVES are in charge and apparently in charge of ZH. How many of you believe obama and his state dept are neocons? Really?
As for the military, what has obama been doing for the last 7 years? Did you miss the big big marxist in chiefs neo-stalinist PURGE? Same thing with all .gov agencies under his control. Duh.
A more correct title for the people orchestrating this tyranny would be NEO-STALINIST but noooooooooooooo progressive here at ZH and the MSMM(main stream marxist media) beleive can't quite come to terms with the bollody reality of being the murdering tyrannical thieves they really are so they must blame something with "conservative" in it.
What blatant damage control sleaze propaganda! Maybe if the ZH MSMM neo-stalinists say the word "neocon" often enough the muppets will believe?
How thoroughly disgusting.
Those of you that have half a brain know there is not a single constitutional conservative in the obombya regime's State Dept. And this warmongering would not even exist if that was the case. Boody progressive own this shit. Embrace your neo-stalinist progressive criminal suck then FOAD.
Grimaldus
Yes! Start protecting your precious bodily fluids right now!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY
I'm drinking Gentleman Jack to support that effort!
Neocon is the new word that former progressive liberals hide behind.
"The term "neoconservative" refers to those who made the ideological journey from the anti-Stalinist LEFT to the camp of American conservatism."
-Straight from the definition for the morons that don't know how to do research..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neoconservatism
Maybe a change is in order:
NeoMcCain or better NeoCain
You don't let the enemy change your vocabulary. Like it's climate change now only because the term global warming wasn't working for them. They are Progressive leftists, period.
Would you be nice to explain why these leftists don't allow Keystone XL pipeline?
maybe the fact that "progressive leftist" is an oxymoron has something to do with it...?
See how oil rail car are crashings off the rails lately? Gotta make the serfs accept the pipeline by any means necessary.
Money and control. They have control. Right now the money from transporting oil goes to their ally Warren Buffet. If they were to change this the money would go to other businessmen not in their camp.
Let's cut through the BS and summarize it all in one word, shall we?
Corporatocracy, a.k.a. Fascism.
Neo-Cons were only Anti-Stalinist because Stalin sent the bankster stooge Trotsky packing (eventually with an ice pick) preventing him, despite many assassination attempts, from inheriting the mantle from Lenin (also a bankster stooge-see the Gold Train) They have been shape-shifting ever since.
http://www.alternativeinsight.com/Neocons.html
The public, and probably those in national power, have become distrustful of the Neoconservatives. Characterized as former liberals turned conservative, the Neocons have diminished their credibility by sponsoring an ill-conceived and disastrous Iraq war that expanded terrorism, caused a loss of American lives and invited a decline in U.S. prestige. Neocons survive by not being directly allied to a particular political party and not being responsive to the demands of the general public. They are more allied to an agenda that presumes global stability can be achieved by aggressively eliminating governments they consider antithetical to their concept of liberal democracy. An ideological bent allows them to constantly transform their allegiances and modus operandi. Buffeted by the vagaries of history, they shift their operations to re-guide history.
Where Did they Come From?
The Neocons are not new. They have tried to influence U.S. foreign policy since the1930's. They are not conservative. If conservatism means maintaining the status quo, then the Neocons, who advocate broad changes, are just the opposite. Furthermore, if the early pioneers of neoconservatism are those who eventually sought global stability through use of American power and promotion of its values, then the pioneers of neoconservatiam were radical leftists The more prominent devotees were followers of Leon Trotsky:
You are babbling. The Rothchilds have backed both communism and progressivism as simple tools of control. These tools work by destroying orthodox cultures, like say Christian cultures. They teach the constructive side (of these systems) in school then they attack the moral (orthodox) side in the media, game set match.
What part of bankster don't you understand? History much?
Oh...and the top of the pyramid is occupied by death cultists who love to destroy all religions and cultures...speaking of Babylon...
http://vigilantcitizen.com/sinistersites/sinister-sites-israel-supreme-c...
Dictionary and refernence book is not going to help you here. USA has warmongers/liars/crooks and very nasty folks at the helm. Pardon but all your analysis will not move your family or society forward,
USA is today (and for decades) been violating the Nuremberg definitions of "crimes against humanity" and international law,
Deeds speak. And your point is?
You call wikipedia research?
You dumb fuck. Who's the moron?
Sir dumb fuck objector, Sir 47 weeks. Sir?
Please propose to me a different resource for some unbiased fact? Mr. Hidden Hand? Fox news? Your bosses? What exactly do you find fault with which fact? And I want citations.
You object? Well give me one unbiased source of fact. Humbly I ask, ( what ya doin?. it is Saturday an ya must be on overtime off your flippin burger job?)
Yep, all those left wing liberals/hippies/commies that infested the Bush administration were just neocons.
Nice job on LOSING the war there. Nice, cute litte "surge." Nice way to pay off the Iranian cleric al Sadr to control half of Iraq as well when US military couldn't do it.
We never once saw a neocon succeed at war nor establish a long lasting "regime change" anywhere...and you'll never see it either.
Neocon=Fascist.
That is the political arc of American Jews. All those 60's Liberalis became r2p Likudists 25 years later
actually, the more accurate term may be
"NEOliberal".
The prefix "NEO" connoting the aggressive pro-imperial stance,
whether referencing former alleged "conservatives" or "liberals".
NeoCon and NeoLib are the two sides of the same coin - Zionism.
Neoconservatism + Neoliberalism = Neocolonialism
I continue to believe that the US goal in the Ukraine is to distract and bedevil Russia merely by expending a few billion zio-dollars, and thousands of Ukrainian lives, both of which are truly dirt cheap in Washington's calculus. This is to be followed by the USA's ultimately just walking away, leaving a broken Ukraine for its neighbors, chiefly Russia, to reconstruct.
Every now and then, though, some US spokes-toady makes statements that imply that the USA actually wants a major war... with Russia. I hope and pray that this is merely Grand Chessboard Theatre, but I am starting to have doubts. For a taste of the motivational fare now offered to US "conservatives", you might want to take a look at the recently posted anit-Russia piece posted at National Review, which openly calls for regime change in Moscow. It's a well-written polemic which makes some sense... provided that you accept that Washington and Brussels are citadels of freedom and human rights, Russians are ignorant, drunken blockheads, and Putin is evil incarnate.
In your estimation is the second part of this Kansas City Shuffle being Syria and pipelines to Europe, or are they also symptoms of some greater neocon fear, ie. Russian oil dominance in a petrodollar world?
>>>In your estimation is the second part of this Kansas City Shuffle being Syria and pipelines to Europe, or are they also symptoms of some greater neocon fear, ie. Russian oil dominance in a petrodollar world?
I don't move in the right circles to know the priorities of The Powers.
I think America is eager to stoke the Ukraine conflict, chiefly as a means to give relevance to NATO for the next few decades, and thereby prevent Germany from slipping into bed with the emerging Eurasian Bloc. If USA were to "lose Germany" (i.e. a largely subservient Germany), the New American Century is over, and it's never coming back.
I would try to find a safe zone locale for my famiily, This may not go well. New York city or any urban area may not be the place to be; that is is you have any doubt.
You have 72 hours before marauding gangs come for your stuff. Your only hope is a regional defense network with your neighbors. Militarized neighborhood watch.
The cops will be protecting the wealth assests. You are on your own
If you don't own a gun with plenty of bullets, well then....
Good luck!
Breedlove is talking his book. His glory and promotions would increase and his power would expand the more he can talk the NATO into war. Breedlove will be secure in the command bunker, and like the Iraq war command, be fully secure while his men faced possible death and mutilation.
The text book for this is Yugoslavia. Europe had brokered a few peace deals, but the USA stepped in and undercut them all with lies and flase intelligence, leading to several bloody wars. Right now Washington seeks the Yugoslavia solution, a long bloody war.
Hes defending his useless job. That or to flip burgers.
"According to Asarov, Nuland said that, were violence used against the protesters on Maidan Square, information about the money he and his cronies had taken out of the country would be made public."
Did Nuland also say that about Occupy to the Obummer administation?
/s
Ohh Boy.
The US military industrial complex doesn’t care about European press, or America press, for that matter. US military industrial complex doesn't’ even care who the President is.
Do you think the US military complex cares if the US government bails out lots of big lemons—banks, insurance, auto makers, airlines, and food stamps to the working poor? No, they could care less, because US military industrial complex is immune to budget constraints and they are the biggest supporters of failing industries and projects.
Do you think that the US military complex cares for what industries the analysts and brokers at an investment firms such as JP Morgan, Goldman, or Rothschild’s picks as winners for government contracts or a stock market bubble? Hell no, because they are the biggest winners.
So, the Germans are stunned about NATO? Are you kidding me?
Germany and NATO are branches of the US military industrial complex.
Hitler said Austrian troops were massing at the border in 1939, when do we just acknowledge the US is Hitler in this farce
I heard awhile back that ISIS has more franchises than Burger King... They have relocated their Corporate HQ (For tax inversion purposes) to an address located at Langley, Va.
Ukraine is occupied by NATO-Israel coalition. Kiev junta members are citizens of Israel, Canada and/or USA.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/07/neo-ukraine-fighting-the-spin/
European mercenaries have been arresting, kidnapping and killing ordinary Ukrainians in Kiev, Lvov and Odessa.
NATO forces are fighting with citizens of Ukraine who disagree with the occupation.
It's all fun and games until it happens on your doorstep. Americans don't care much for the safety and security of Europe, let alone Russia. American interests will be hit asymmetrically as the stakes get raised. I pray to God that Nudelman/Breedlove, and the rest of these neocons get ass-cancer and die... painfully, before this gets competely out of hand.
love them 2 down votes! /s
Nudelman and Breedlove read ZH... it is known.
Of course we Americans care for the safety and security of Europe. It's where most of us have our origins, as well as, in many instances, our relatives, as well as our cultural framework. Unfortunately, this repulsive govt has no interest in what we think.
...people who are azzhoes never seem to get the crab.... witness the fudgepacker in chief..
Obama is a Neocon?
Who'dathunkit!??!!?
In reality, the world is sick of this bullshit. I'm sick of it. Rand Paul's approach is 1000% correct; quit meddling!
Germany is correct to object to this because if we get involved in the Ukraine with Poland then Russia will be outside of Berlin with several brigades of tanks in days. The US nor NATO are ready for a major multi-front conflict unless they use nukes.
Which wouldn't be all that bad because some of the US cities we would lose are a major part of the economic drag and societal/political problems we have at this time....
Never mind. Fire away boys.
The instutute of US presidency is shockingly weak.
Basically, very little can Obama do if all career burocrats continue doing what they always doing.
Obama is not able to get control of the goverment staff which demonstrate how weak leader he is and how unimportant any political office change is for foregn policy.
Dems or Reps - no matter who is there will always be criminal actions on the world scine.
Wall Street paid Obama's way through the U.S. political process into the White House for the main purpose of keeping the financial fraudsters who threw the world into a depression out of jail.
He is a shill for Wall Street which owns the Democratic Party.
If he were motivated, and also were not a coward, he could do a lot more to reign in the fascist bent on world domination who run U.S. foreign / military policy.
Nein.
Germany needs to wake up NOW to the fact that this country is commanded by psychopathic, warmongering neocons, mitigated only by a willfully cluless and gutless president. NATO will prove a deathtrap for Germany.
Don't expect a lot of help from the old axis countries, Germany Italy Japan......neutered
Good point...but let's elaborate further: The US wrote the constitutions of Japan and Germany after the end of WWll. It also continues to occupy, militarily, both countries with approximately 50,000 military personnel in each and a huge naval presence in Japan. Neither conquered country has been able to recover a shred of its former sovereignty for 70 years! They are vassal states subject to the most ruthless hegemonic power since the Roman empire.
Nein.
Da
If Germany were really concerned about NATO they'd kick the U.S. Armed Forces out.
This is political banter; the Germans need Russian NatGas and are playing both sides.
They have guilt over the death of 20+ million Russians in WWII, but Russia is en export market - and they don't want their Eastern flank open.
Just like Greece; they feel bad about WWII, but they want a downtrodden island to vacation on too.
And Neocons? Both the Left and the Right are war happy pumpers of the M.I.C. here in the U.S.A.
Nein.
@EB
I agree to a point. What many fail to realize is Europe does not spend much on their MIC. Why? The USA stations our young men and women there to be fodder. What a deal free defense without spending money. They can spend more money on social programs. The price they pay is putting up with our war mongers for now. The USA spends a significant amount of money in the countries where the USA is stationed.
Germany I believe truly does not want war on their continent again. They do not support NATO when we intervened into Libya and other countries. In fact they were criticized for not joining.
France is not really playing any role in these negoiations. France is just being dragged along to cover up the real power broker Germany. Germany cannot be seen as the real broker of the deal as they are already being demonized in many countries in Europe because they are prosperous where many European countries do not base their economies on production. Germany was turning East long before the Euro problems.
Britain and the USA were not invited to this peace conference because we basically want to expand our sphere of influence and control the old silk road of trade. We are walking a very tight wire here with trying to ignite a conflict and being kicked out of Europe altogether if we do not behave. Obama and for that matter the War hawks are pissed right now being left out of these negoiations.
We goofed and thought China would not ally with Russia, but China sees this survival. If the western powers led by the USA thru NATO sucessfully contain and neuter Russia they are next in the game of Risk. Many European countries also know it is their populations that will feel the brunt of the sanctions and a conflict once again and they are not liking it.
That thar is darn right scary...a crazy criminal terrorist like that has a pellet gun?
Don't feed it al-kill-hol...gonna be another dork cheney oopps...shot my friend in face!
And in other news Andrew Maguire reports via KWN that HSBC is closing all its vgold vaults. The custodian of GLD.. Tyler are you snoozing?
General Strangelove.
Writes the German magazine:
[F]or months now, many in the Chancellery simply shake their heads each time NATO, under Breedlove’s leadership, goes public with striking announcements about Russian troop or tank movements. … False claims and exaggerated accounts, warned a top German official during a recent meeting on Ukraine, have put NATO — and by extension, the entire West — in danger of losing its credibility.
Giving arms to Ukraine would not change the outcome of a Russian invasion. It might only increase the Russian body count, but not by enough to deter Putin.
"Russia invasion".? "Deter Putin? Care to elaborate? Or just toss shit against the wall to see if it will stick?
WTF do you think is the point of sending arms to Ukraine? The neo-cons know it will provoke Putin.
I have a personal stake in this and the last thing I want is for the U.S. to provoke a full-blown war in Ukraine. I have two very good friends there, one is Kiev and another who is thankfully in far western Ukraine.
Booboo has sand up his ass, what with the colon-rammings of the elite you can prolly excuse him.
He was too caught up to notice or understand that you didn't state anything about putin's direct intent, but rather that if such were his intent, nato smuggling ops would not suffice.
Hate to put a dent in your thesis there buzzy but I am the most disconnected from the long arm of the "elite" than most anyone on this board. I owe no man anything, quite the contrary, you and your mom are most likely paying rent to me so you best get your ass outside and pick up some tin cans, rents due in 23 days.
Dammit do we have to spell out everything?
You have sand up your butt i.e. you are irritable
because of the ass-ramming of the elite i.e. we're all getting fucked
I didn't imply you were a sheep, instrument to the US, just that you were caught in your own emotional view of an argument.
But you might be in argument mode but I'm not. That strawman you're beating your chest at is in your head.
Re-read that initial post you reacted to. Rather, here it is:
"Giving arms to Ukraine would not change the outcome of a Russian invasion. It might only increase the Russian body count, but not by enough to deter Putin."
And here was your answer:
""Russia invasion".? "Deter Putin? Care to elaborate? Or just toss shit against the wall to see if it will stick?"
A basic geostrategic fact was offered: "US interference and arm supply would not suffice to alter the outcome, should Russia decide the time has come to defend the integrity of their borderlands" [whatever your opinion is about whether that is a legitimate option for russia, or not]
take the time to take a breath and actually grok what is being communicated rather than getting your panties in a bunch and spewing vitriol on these boards. Our collective time is a precious ressource.
Dude.... it's US hegemony at risk here. Pipelines and what not. Read up, pull your head out of the sand, and watch US foreign policy implode on itself. After all, WTF is the US meddling in Europe for anyway? Why are they there? What does the Ukraine have that the US or Russia needs?
It's all about energy and how it flows to customers. The US has the most to lose, which is why they created the coup to overthrow the previously elected government in Ukraine.
They are, without question, the most hypocritical government to ever grace God's green earth. They say one thing publicly and do the opposite in practice. And it appears they've got you sucked in too.
Yeah, I know all of that.
Who exactly do you think has me sucked in? The Obama administration? If so, you are out of your mind.
...And, Biden thought it would be well enough along to send Jr. to an oil company after he got kicked out of the Navy Reserves. Give the kid a chance to make a few mil.
Red arrow not because I disagree with you, rather because you were too sucked in yourself to notice you're arguing against an imaginary position which grandparent post never even stated.
hope they've read up on Napoleon and Hitler.
Nein.
I'm SHOCKED to see that there is gambling going on in this casino!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Gf8NK1WAOc
Louis... I think this is the beginning of a beautiful friendship
The US is becoming the most dangerous country in the world. It's absolutely necessary to get rid of its influence to minimum. This should be the common goal of Europe, Asia and the rest of the world.
Not exactly. The US is simply the enforcement arm for a group of new world order elites, who wish to rule the world. Many think they are headquartered in Israel, and that might be true. Their goal is to topple every opposing gov in the world.
They derive their power from the ability to print the reserve currency. We should all do our small part in ending their power by starving the beast as much as we can. Stop being a consumer, watching tv, doing business with large banks, taking on debt, and working and paying taxes as little as possible. If possible quit working and become a FSA participant that sucks blood from the beast.
Indeed we are exceptional. /s.
Two points:
1. The headline to me seems to indicate the path for the usual whitewash towards the "Democrats": currently a few US Neocons came to head the "Democratic" party like wolves in sheep clothing, but overall the leftists still hold the moral highground!
2. It is curious German magazine Der Spiegel doesn't mention it's own role in this, posting a headline STOP PUTIN NOW on it's frontpage after MH-17 had been shot down.
I bet the krauts have slacked off on all their military maintenance and do not want to sacrifice themselves for Vickie or Soros.
Oh, and all the heavy armor is gone from the ZATO side of the Fulda Gap. Vlad could be in Berlin in 3 days. If he chooses a Mercedes, he could get there faster.
How do you say "Blitzkrieg" in Russian?
Blitzkrieg
Speaking of which... nemtsov killers are found and arrested and cooperating with the authorities.
Is this blitzkrieg enough for you?
http://news.yandex.ru/yandsearch?cl4url=www.aif.ru/society/law/1462609&l...