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Germany Has Had Enough With US Neocons: Berlin "Stunned" At US Desire For War In Ukraine

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While Russia's envoy to NATO notes that statements by the deputy head of NATO testify to the fact that the leaders of the bloc want to intervene in Russia’s internal politics, and are "dreaming of Russian Maidan," Washington has a bigger problem... Germany. As Der Spiegel reports, while US President Obama 'supports' Chancellor Merkel's efforts at finding a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis, hawks in Washington seem determined to torpedo Berlin's approach. And NATO's top commander in Europe hasn't been helping either with sources in the Chancellery have referred to Breedlove's comments as "dangerous propaganda."

This is the view of Russia’s permanent envoy to NATO:

“The speech in Riga demonstrates the concern about Russia’s democracy and internal policy. At last, now we know that NATO has a dream, and this dream is a Maidan in Russia,” Aleksandr Grushko said in comment that was tweeted through the Russian representation office in the alliance.

 

Grushko referred to the words of NATO's deputy secretary general, Alexander Vershbow, who had told a conference in the Latvian capital Riga that President Vladimir Putin's "aim seems to be to turn Ukraine into a failed state and to suppress and discredit alternative voices in Russia, so as to prevent a Russian 'Maidan.'" Both officials used the Ukrainian word ‘Maidan’ to describe a string of protest actions that eventually turned into mass unrest and the ousting of the legally elected president and parliament.

And as Der Spiegel reports, The Germans are not happy.

Breedlove's Bellicosity: Berlin Alarmed by Aggressive NATO Stance on Ukraine

US President Obama supports Chancellor Merkel's efforts at finding a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis. But hawks in Washington seem determined to torpedo Berlin's approach. And NATO's top commander in Europe hasn't been helping either.

It was quiet in eastern Ukraine last Wednesday. Indeed, it was another quiet day in an extended stretch of relative calm. The battles between the Ukrainian army and the pro-Russian separatists had largely stopped and heavy weaponry was being withdrawn. The Minsk cease-fire wasn't holding perfectly, but it was holding.

On that same day, General Philip Breedlove, the top NATO commander in Europe, stepped before the press in Washington. Putin, the 59-year-old said, had once again "upped the ante" in eastern Ukraine -- with "well over a thousand combat vehicles, Russian combat forces, some of their most sophisticated air defense, battalions of artillery" having been sent to the Donbass. "What is clear," Breedlove said, "is that right now, it is not getting better. It is getting worse every day."

German leaders in Berlin were stunned. They didn't understand what Breedlove was talking about. And it wasn't the first time. Once again, the German government, supported by intelligence gathered by the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Germany's foreign intelligence agency, did not share the view of NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR).

The pattern has become a familiar one. For months, Breedlove has been commenting on Russian activities in eastern Ukraine, speaking of troop advances on the border, the amassing of munitions and alleged columns of Russian tanks. Over and over again, Breedlove's numbers have been significantly higher than those in the possession of America's NATO allies in Europe. As such, he is playing directly into the hands of the hardliners in the US Congress and in NATO.

The German government is alarmed. Are the Americans trying to thwart European efforts at mediation led by Chancellor Angela Merkel? Sources in the Chancellery have referred to Breedlove's comments as "dangerous propaganda." Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier even found it necessary recently to bring up Breedlove's comments with NATO General Secretary Jens Stoltenberg.

The 'Super Hawk'

But Breedlove hasn't been the only source of friction. Europeans have also begun to see others as hindrances in their search for a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine conflict. First and foremost among them is Victoria Nuland, head of European affairs at the US State Department. She and others would like to see Washington deliver arms to Ukraine and are supported by Congressional Republicans as well as many powerful Democrats.

Indeed, US President Barack Obama seems almost isolated. He has thrown his support behind Merkel's diplomatic efforts for the time being, but he has also done little to quiet those who would seek to increase tensions with Russia and deliver weapons to Ukraine. Sources in Washington say that Breedlove's bellicose comments are first cleared with the White House and the Pentagon. The general, they say, has the role of the "super hawk," whose role is that of increasing the pressure on America's more reserved trans-Atlantic partners.

A mixture of political argumentation and military propaganda is necessary. But for months now, many in the Chancellery simply shake their heads each time NATO, under Breedlove's leadership, goes public with striking announcements about Russian troop or tank movements. To be sure, neither Berlin's Russia experts nor BND intelligence analysts doubt that Moscow is supporting the pro-Russian separatists. The BND even has proof of such support.

But it is the tone of Breedlove's announcements that makes Berlin uneasy. False claims and exaggerated accounts, warned a top German official during a recent meeting on Ukraine, have put NATO -- and by extension, the entire West -- in danger of losing its credibility.

There are plenty of examples. Just over three weeks ago, during the cease-fire talks in Minsk, the Ukrainian military warned that the Russians -- even as the diplomatic marathon was ongoing -- had moved 50 tanks and dozens of rockets across the border into Luhansk. Just one day earlier, US Lieutenant General Ben Hodges had announced "direct Russian military intervention."

Senior officials in Berlin immediately asked the BND for an assessment, but the intelligence agency's satellite images showed just a few armored vehicles. Even those American intelligence officials who supply the BND with daily situation reports were much more reserved about the incident than Hodges was in his public statements. One intelligence agent says it "remains a riddle until today" how the general reached his conclusions.

Much More Cautious

"The German intelligence services generally appraise the threat level much more cautiously than the Americans do," an international military expert in Kiev confirmed.

At the beginning of the crisis, General Breedlove announced that the Russians had assembled 40,000 troops on the Ukrainian border and warned that an invasion could take place at any moment. The situation, he said, was "incredibly concerning." But intelligence officials from NATO member states had already excluded the possibility of a Russian invasion. They believed that neither the composition nor the equipment of the troops was consistent with an imminent invasion.

The experts contradicted Breedlove's view in almost every respect. There weren't 40,000 soldiers on the border, they believed, rather there were much less than 30,000 and perhaps even fewer than 20,000. Furthermore, most of the military equipment had not been brought to the border for a possible invasion, but had already been there prior to the beginning of the conflict. Furthermore, there was no evidence of logistical preparation for an invasion, such as a field headquarters.

Breedlove, though, repeatedly made inexact, contradictory or even flat-out inaccurate statements. On Nov. 18, 2014, he told the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that there were "regular Russian army units in eastern Ukraine." One day later, he told the website of the German newsmagazine Stern that they weren't fighting units, but "mostly trainers and advisors."

He initially said there were "between 250 and 300" of them, and then "between 300 and 500." For a time, NATO was even saying there were 1,000 of them.

The fact that NATO has no intelligence agency of its own plays into Breedlove's hands. The alliance relies on intelligence gathered by agents from the US, Britain, Germany and other member states. As such, SACEUR has a wide range of information to choose from.

Influencing Breedlove

On Nov. 12, during a visit to Sofia, Bulgaria, Breedlove reported that "we have seen columns of Russian equipment -- primarily Russian tanks, Russian artillery, Russian air defense systems and Russian combat troops -- entering into Ukraine." It was, he noted, "the same thing that OSCE is reporting." But the OSCE had only observed military convoys within eastern Ukraine. OSCE observers had said nothing about troops marching in from Russia.

Breedlove sees no reason to revise his approach. "I stand by all the public statements I have made during the Ukraine crisis," he wrote to SPIEGEL in response to a request for a statement accompanied by a list of his controversial claims. He wrote that it was to be expected that assessments of NATO's intelligence center, which receives information from all 33 alliance members in addition to partner states, doesn't always match assessments made by individual nations. "It is normal that not everyone agrees with the assessments that I provide," he wrote.

He says that NATO's strategy is to "release clear, accurate and timely information regarding ongoing events." He also wrote that: "As an alliance based on the fundamental values of freedom and democracy, our response to propaganda cannot be more propaganda. It can only be the truth."

The German government, meanwhile, is doing what it can to influence Breedlove. Sources in Berlin say that conversations to this end have taken place in recent weeks. But there are many at NATO headquarters in Brussels who are likewise concerned about Breedlove's statements. On Tuesday of last week, Breedlove's public appearances were an official item on the agenda of the North Atlantic Council's weekly lunch meeting. Several ambassadors present criticized Breedlove and expressed their incredulity at some of the commander's statements.

The government in Berlin is concerned that Breedlove's statements could harm the West's credibility. The West can't counter Russian propaganda with its own propaganda, "rather it must use arguments that are worthy of a constitutional state." Berlin sources also say that it has become conspicuous that Breedlove's controversial statements are often made just as a step forward has been made in the difficult negotiations aimed at a political resolution. Berlin sources say that Germany should be able to depend on its allies to support its efforts at peace.

Pressure on Obama

German foreign policy experts are united in their view of Breedlove as a hawk. "I would prefer that Breedlove's comments on political questions be intelligent and reserved," says Social Democrat parliamentarian Niels Annen, for example. "Instead, NATO in the past has always announced a new Russian offensive just as, from our point of view, the time had come for cautious optimism." Annen, who has long specialized in foreign policy, has also been frequently dissatisfied with the information provided by NATO headquarters. "We parliamentarians were often confused by information regarding alleged troop movements that were inconsistent with the information we had," he says.

The pressure on Obama from the Republicans, but also from his own political camp, is intense. Should the ceasefire in eastern Ukraine not hold, it will likely be difficult to continue refusing Kiev's requests for shipments of so-called "defensive weapons." And that would represent a dramatic escalation of the crisis. Moscow has already begun issuing threats in anticipation of such deliveries. "Any weapons deliveries to Kiev will escalate the tensions and would unhinge European security," Nikolai Patrushev, secretary of Russia's national security council, told the Russian newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda on Wednesday.

Although President Obama has decided for the time being to give European diplomacy a chance, hawks like Breedlove or Victoria Nuland are doing what they can to pave the way for weapons deliveries. "We can fight against the Europeans, fight against them rhetorically," Nuland said during a private meeting of American officials on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference at the beginning of February.

In reporting on the meeting later, the German tabloid Bild reported that Nuland referred to the chancellor's early February trip to Moscow for talks with Putin as "Merkel's Moscow stuff." No wonder, then, that people in Berlin have the impression that important power brokers in Washington are working against the Europeans. Berlin officials have noticed that, following the visit of American politicians or military leaders in Kiev, Ukrainian officials are much more bellicose and optimistic about the Ukrainian military's ability to win the conflict on the battlefield. "We then have to laboriously bring the Ukrainians back onto the course of negotiations," said one Berlin official.

Nuland Diplomacy

Nuland, who is seen as a possible secretary of state should the Republicans win back the White House in next year's presidential election, is an important voice in US policy concerning Ukraine and Russia. She has never sought to hide her emotional bond to Russia, even saying "I love Russia." Her grandparents immigrated to the US from Bessarabia, which belonged to the Russian empire at the time. Nuland speaks Russian fluently.

She is also very direct. She can be very keen and entertaining, but has been known to take on an undiplomatic tone -- and has not always been wrong to do so. Mykola Asarov, who was prime minister under toppled Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, recalls that Nuland basically blackmailed Yanukovych in order to prevent greater bloodshed in Kiev during the Maidan protests. "No violence against the protesters or you'll fall," Nuland told him according to Asarov. She also, he said, threatened tough economic and political sanctions against both Ukraine and the country's leaders. According to Asarov, Nuland said that, were violence used against the protesters on Maidan Square, information about the money he and his cronies had taken out of the country would be made public.

Nuland has also been open -- at least internally -- about her contempt for European weakness and is famous for having said "Fuck the EU" during the initial days of the Ukraine crisis in February of 2014. Her husband, the neo-conservative Robert Kagan, is, after all, the originator of the idea that Americans are from Mars and Europeans, unwilling as they are to realize that true security depends on military power, are from Venus.

When it comes to the goal of delivering weapons to Ukraine, Nuland and Breedlove work hand-in-hand. On the first day of the Munich Security Conference, the two gathered the US delegation behind closed doors to discuss their strategy for breaking Europe's resistance to arming Ukraine.

On the seventh floor of the Bayerischer Hof hotel in the heart of Munich, it was Nuland who began coaching. "While talking to the Europeans this weekend, you need to make the case that Russia is putting in more and more offensive stuff while we want to help the Ukrainians defend against these systems," Nuland said. "It is defensive in nature although some of it has lethality."

Training Troops?

Breedlove complemented that with the military details, saying that moderate weapons aid was inevitable -- otherwise neither sanctions nor diplomatic pressure would have any effect. "If we can increase the cost for Russia on the battlefield, the other tools will become more effective," he said. "That's what we should do here."

In Berlin, top politicians have always considered a common position vis-a-vis Russia as a necessary prerequisite for success in peace efforts. For the time being, that common front is still holding, but the dispute is a fundamental one -- and hinges on the question of whether diplomacy can be successful without the threat of military action. Additionally, the trans-Atlantic partners also have differing goals. Whereas the aim of the Franco-German initiative is to stabilize the situation in Ukraine, it is Russia that concerns hawks within the US administration. They want to drive back Moscow's influence in the region and destabilize Putin's power. For them, the dream outcome would be regime change in Moscow.

A massive troop training range is located in Yavoriv in western Ukraine near the Polish border. During Soviet times, it served as the westernmost military district in the Soviet Union. Since 1998, though, it has been used for joint exercises by Ukrainian forces together with the United States and NATO. Yavoriv is also the site where US soldiers want to train members of the Ukrainian National Guard for their future battle against the separatists. According to the Pentagon's plans, American officers would train the Ukrainians on how to use American artillery-locating radar devices. At least that's what US Army in Europe commander Lt. Gen. Hodges announced in January.

The training was actually supposed to start at the beginning of March. Before it began, however, President Obama temporarily put it on hold in order to give the ceasefire agreement reached in Minsk a chance. Still, the hawks remain confident that they will soon come a step closer to their goal. On Tuesday, Hodges said during an appearance in Berlin that he expects the training will still begin at some point this month.

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Sat, 03/07/2015 - 18:20 | 5865441 HonkyShogun
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We don't want them either.

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 18:24 | 5865453 Manthong
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Geez, you’d think they would know all about how that dictatorial psychopathic government thing works.

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 18:27 | 5865457 Jurassic
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general Breedwar or Breedhatred? Hes war maniac!

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 18:31 | 5865473 cossack55
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Typical wingnut general. Notice you don't hear the grunts talkin' shit. Gotta go. Dr. Strangelove is about to start.

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 18:33 | 5865480 kliguy38
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Nuland knows how to handle you weenies......F%^K You EU......hehhehehe...you don't have the balls to mess with her......

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 18:51 | 5865519 mickeyman
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I've seen this movie before.

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 18:54 | 5865527 XqWretch
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Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece? Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia nor in England nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy or a fascist dictatorship or a Parliament or a Communist dictatorship.
Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy, the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.
Göring: Oh, that is all well and good, but, voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country.

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 18:57 | 5865537 bania
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Breedlove? Heading up an army?  Can't make this stuff up!!!

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 19:00 | 5865545 Took Red Pill
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"Berlin Alarmed by Aggressive NATO Stance on Ukraine." We all are!
Sat, 03/07/2015 - 19:06 | 5865570 chunga
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Hmmm...Nudelman and Kagan aren't from Mars or Venus are they?

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 19:21 | 5865606 Publicus
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Time for Gemany to kick NATO out of it's territories.

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 19:42 | 5865676 toys for tits
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If the EU doesn't get blown up by the financial world, it will get destroyed when the US attacks Russia.

 

It's my understanding that no state in the US has ever been attacked by another nation.  It looks like that's going to change soon.

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 19:56 | 5865716 Occident Mortal
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Pearl Harbour?

Also, why would Europe be destroyed when the USA attacks Russia?

Don't Americans have maps?

Whilst we're on that point you do realise that it is the Arctic which lies between USA and Russia? Europe is a 3,500 mile detour.

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 20:12 | 5865760 TahoeBilly2012
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The key to it all is stupid brainwwashed American's, but we all know that.

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 20:27 | 5865802 AlaricBalth
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Breedlove sounds eerily like Brigadier General Jack D. Ripper from Dr Strangelove.

"He (Clemenceau) said war was too important to be left to the generals. When he said that, 50 years ago, he might have been right. But today, war is too important to be left to politicians. They have neither the time, the training, nor the inclination for strategic thought. I can no longer sit back and allow Communist infiltration, Communist indoctrination, Communist subversion and the international Communist conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids."

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 23:12 | 5866073 jeff montanye
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great stuff. stanley kubrick was a genius.

"It's my understanding that no state in the US has ever been attacked by another nation.  It looks like that's going to change soon."

not only pearl harbor.  britain burned the white house in the war of 1812.

not to mention pancho villa who killed eighteen in new mexico in 1916. although the u.s. siding with his rival in the mexican revolution was the main cause, the precepitating event for columbus, n.m. is said to have been an american merchant selling weapons but refusing to deliver even after "Villa . . . paid several thousand dollars in cash for the weapons, but the merchant refused to deliver them unless he was paid in gold, giving "cause" for the raid.[3][5]" (wiki)

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 05:53 | 5866484 cnmcdee
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People are missing what is going on here - the reason that they are openly talking about this General playing his role as a super-hawk, and openly displaying their policy plans in Brookings Institute papers is psychological - that is psychological control of Russia.They want a controlled predictive response from Russia, the way to get this is to simply telegraph what you are going to do ahead of time - then do it. From this Russia will behave as well in a predictable controlled manner, because they are not operating in a information vacuum, but from a set of variables you provided them.

Look at the movie 'The Interview'  There was no comparable psychological tool you could have used on a foreign countries leader to screw with his head - now Kim will be very hesitant to ever shake someone's hand. It will instill paranoia in all his activities, crippling his ability to conduct business.  Unknown variables, ghosts in the closet were sent to Kim, Kim is containable.  Known variables were sent to Russia as they do not have control of that nation yet. Known actions are sent to Russia to make a contained response that NATO can deal with.

It is a Game Theory analysis - you simply tell your enemy what you are going to do, and by doing so you control them, by controlling the information about you that they have.

 

 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 09:11 | 5866634 HowdyDoody
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They don't realze that Putin, by doing exactly what they don't want, is exploiting their predictable behavior to drive them into a corner, so things then fall apart from internal inconsistencies.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 10:37 | 5866766 Self-enslavement
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Jews in Germany, Israel, United States are trying to tell the Russian Jews to follow orders. Putin and the rest of his tribe there just want autonomy.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 09:24 | 5866652 Bendromeda Strain
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Oh FFS, go play with your little green army guys. You think that was a masterful exercise in PSYOP? Reread the money graf over and over until it sinks in:

But it is the tone of Breedlove's announcements that makes Berlin uneasy. False claims and exaggerated accounts, warned a top German official during a recent meeting on Ukraine, have put NATO -- and by extension, the entire West -- in danger of losing its credibility.

Using bluster while looking like a fool does not negate the foolishness of the remarks. Any sentient person with access to YouTube can see the truth. Putin doesn't have to do a thing in response to Breedlove, as intelligent people see the Maidan for the fascist Trojan Horse that it was. Russian people observe people like Ukie MP Iryna Farion making genocidal comments and know that supporting their ethnic brothers and sisters is the right thing to do.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 10:28 | 5866754 ThirteenthFloor
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This scene "world's guilt" from judgement at Nuremberg is also enlightening as you read this article.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=AjCGpBUCOOM

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 11:09 | 5866809 Thirst Mutilator
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 "not only pearl harbor.  britain burned the white house in the war of 1812."

 

- Hawaii was not a US State in 1941

- The District of Columbia is not a state. [However, the battle of Ft. McHenry would qualify ~ & whereby, yet another illustration of 'bankers' starting wars because the 20 year Charter of the 1st Bank of the United States had expired].

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 14:25 | 5867266 Nobody For President
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Columbus, New Mexico. You can't make that shit up either.

And Hawaii was not a state in 1941.

But could we bring the British back for just one little mission?

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 21:15 | 5865890 ersatzteil
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Because the USA stores nuclear weapons in Europe and NATO has operational plans to "share" them with non-nuclear armed countries. In essence by basing nuclear weapons in countries such as Italy where my wife lives, all of Europe is now a target for Russia's nuclear weapons.

So without a strategic nuclear deterrent of their own, Europe has made itself an American aircraft carrier open to tactical nuke strikes from Russia.

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 23:27 | 5866099 MrPalladium
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Bingo!!

Nuland talks trash while Europe takes all the risk of annihilation.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 09:27 | 5866654 Bendromeda Strain
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Somebody should Interview her, I hear her thoughts are fascinating.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 10:40 | 5866771 Self-enslavement
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Someone should tie the bitch down and let a gang or two have their way with her.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 09:51 | 5866681 fleur de lis
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Nudelskank also speaks fluent Russian. Her pestilent family originated there. She claims she loves Russia but what she really loves is the possibility of being appointed SecState so she can go to Moscow and annoy them to their faces by stirring up unrest. And passing out her moldy bread. 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 10:24 | 5866749 Abitdodgie
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There will be no fight in Europe against Russia they will let Russia roll through as they do not want to get bombed to shit again , wnen the war starts France and Germany will go to Russia's side . This war is not about America winning it is about getting rid of the armed American people after all it is easyer to kill 350 million people then control them.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 10:33 | 5866760 Laurent K
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"So without a strategic nuclear deterrent of their own, Europe has made itself an American aircraft carrier open to tactical nuke strikes from Russia."

There are two countries in Europe who have their own nuclear deterrent (France and UK).

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 23:29 | 5866104 brokenspoke
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Canada lies between the ussa and Russia.

 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 06:59 | 5866534 mkkby
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Next up, these batshits start ranting about precious bodily fluids.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 10:13 | 5866739 Ignorance is bliss
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So does Alaska

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 10:30 | 5866756 TeaClipper
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Never been to Alaska? or easier still, look at a map.

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 23:30 | 5866109 Berspankme
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hopefully sarah palin will be okay

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 14:31 | 5867285 Nobody For President
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Thanks, forgot that one, and I went to highschool in Brookings.33

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 14:32 | 5867288 Nobody For President
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Thanks, forgot that one, and I went to high school in Brookings.

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 20:13 | 5865763 SWRichmond
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Virginia was invaded by Lincoln.  What the hell is wrong with you?

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 21:24 | 5865898 Calmyourself
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Just what we need a Zoomie who thinks the Air Force is invincible...  They are not Breedlove their not...

General Breedlove, paging General Breedlove,  Raytheon public relations on line 2

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 23:53 | 5866145 Hulk
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Come on SW, Lincoln Burned Richmond Hisself !!!

(or in song form)

The night ole Lincoln burned Richmond down

and all the people was saying...

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 13:42 | 5867155 Arnold
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Perhaps here is the spot to raise the current invasion of the US plans:

1. Southern border invasion of Hispanic and complicit operatives.

2.  Negro insurrection instigated by commie influence, coming soon.

3. Active recruitment of Jihadi warriors for domestic deployment.

4. Recruitment of Knot head Nationals that feel that total chaos is progressive reform.

Any one thinks that the 57 states are currently free of invasion threat should be sidelined quickly to the FEMA camps for their own security.

Presented with some hyperbole.

 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 14:35 | 5867295 Nobody For President
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57 States? I'll bet you forgot British Columbia.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 14:49 | 5867338 Arnold
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addendum,and probably the greatest threat,

5. The Free Shit Army, the largest standi..........er .......Army in the world . It would take very small foreign influenced , domestic action to mobilize the generally lethargic to a rabid, rapid overwhelming force.

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 19:22 | 5865613 ZerOhead
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It sure doesn't help that the evidence is pretty much in on MH17 either...

(Spoiler alert... it was downed by an Su-25)

http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-the-malaysian-airlines-mh17-boeing-was-...

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 19:52 | 5865704 chunga
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wow...you gotta figure that a bunch of these govt's know exactly what happened to that flight but pretend they don't.

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 20:14 | 5865756 Taint Boil
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They pretend they don’t know because now the sheep think that Russia did it – mission accomplished.

 

Sat, 03/07/2015 - 23:28 | 5866102 jeff montanye
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saddam hussein was behind 9-11.

victoria nuland worked "for" (more like "over") g.w. bush and dick cheney and now she works "for" clinton and obama.  the more things change, the more they stay the same.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 01:04 | 5866246 Element
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It's what happens when people are urged or else are urging people to pick sides to fight Jeff, the mentality of the school ground where people yell, "fight-fight-fight!".

That's all that's happening, whether in NATO HQ or in zh threads. Can you remember a time at school when a crowd of people doing that did not result in a fight, or at least a beating?

 

Ukraine Arms Deal ... er Peace Deal

 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 05:00 | 5866443 Max Steel
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State deptt troll operating from pacific penal colony 

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