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Germany Has Had Enough With US Neocons: Berlin "Stunned" At US Desire For War In Ukraine
While Russia's envoy to NATO notes that statements by the deputy head of NATO testify to the fact that the leaders of the bloc want to intervene in Russia’s internal politics, and are "dreaming of Russian Maidan," Washington has a bigger problem... Germany. As Der Spiegel reports, while US President Obama 'supports' Chancellor Merkel's efforts at finding a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis, hawks in Washington seem determined to torpedo Berlin's approach. And NATO's top commander in Europe hasn't been helping either with sources in the Chancellery have referred to Breedlove's comments as "dangerous propaganda."
This is the view of Russia’s permanent envoy to NATO:
“The speech in Riga demonstrates the concern about Russia’s democracy and internal policy. At last, now we know that NATO has a dream, and this dream is a Maidan in Russia,” Aleksandr Grushko said in comment that was tweeted through the Russian representation office in the alliance.
Grushko referred to the words of NATO's deputy secretary general, Alexander Vershbow, who had told a conference in the Latvian capital Riga that President Vladimir Putin's "aim seems to be to turn Ukraine into a failed state and to suppress and discredit alternative voices in Russia, so as to prevent a Russian 'Maidan.'" Both officials used the Ukrainian word ‘Maidan’ to describe a string of protest actions that eventually turned into mass unrest and the ousting of the legally elected president and parliament.
And as Der Spiegel reports, The Germans are not happy.
Breedlove's Bellicosity: Berlin Alarmed by Aggressive NATO Stance on Ukraine
US President Obama supports Chancellor Merkel's efforts at finding a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis. But hawks in Washington seem determined to torpedo Berlin's approach. And NATO's top commander in Europe hasn't been helping either.
It was quiet in eastern Ukraine last Wednesday. Indeed, it was another quiet day in an extended stretch of relative calm. The battles between the Ukrainian army and the pro-Russian separatists had largely stopped and heavy weaponry was being withdrawn. The Minsk cease-fire wasn't holding perfectly, but it was holding.
On that same day, General Philip Breedlove, the top NATO commander in Europe, stepped before the press in Washington. Putin, the 59-year-old said, had once again "upped the ante" in eastern Ukraine -- with "well over a thousand combat vehicles, Russian combat forces, some of their most sophisticated air defense, battalions of artillery" having been sent to the Donbass. "What is clear," Breedlove said, "is that right now, it is not getting better. It is getting worse every day."
German leaders in Berlin were stunned. They didn't understand what Breedlove was talking about. And it wasn't the first time. Once again, the German government, supported by intelligence gathered by the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Germany's foreign intelligence agency, did not share the view of NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR).
The pattern has become a familiar one. For months, Breedlove has been commenting on Russian activities in eastern Ukraine, speaking of troop advances on the border, the amassing of munitions and alleged columns of Russian tanks. Over and over again, Breedlove's numbers have been significantly higher than those in the possession of America's NATO allies in Europe. As such, he is playing directly into the hands of the hardliners in the US Congress and in NATO.
The German government is alarmed. Are the Americans trying to thwart European efforts at mediation led by Chancellor Angela Merkel? Sources in the Chancellery have referred to Breedlove's comments as "dangerous propaganda." Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier even found it necessary recently to bring up Breedlove's comments with NATO General Secretary Jens Stoltenberg.
The 'Super Hawk'
But Breedlove hasn't been the only source of friction. Europeans have also begun to see others as hindrances in their search for a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine conflict. First and foremost among them is Victoria Nuland, head of European affairs at the US State Department. She and others would like to see Washington deliver arms to Ukraine and are supported by Congressional Republicans as well as many powerful Democrats.
Indeed, US President Barack Obama seems almost isolated. He has thrown his support behind Merkel's diplomatic efforts for the time being, but he has also done little to quiet those who would seek to increase tensions with Russia and deliver weapons to Ukraine. Sources in Washington say that Breedlove's bellicose comments are first cleared with the White House and the Pentagon. The general, they say, has the role of the "super hawk," whose role is that of increasing the pressure on America's more reserved trans-Atlantic partners.
A mixture of political argumentation and military propaganda is necessary. But for months now, many in the Chancellery simply shake their heads each time NATO, under Breedlove's leadership, goes public with striking announcements about Russian troop or tank movements. To be sure, neither Berlin's Russia experts nor BND intelligence analysts doubt that Moscow is supporting the pro-Russian separatists. The BND even has proof of such support.
But it is the tone of Breedlove's announcements that makes Berlin uneasy. False claims and exaggerated accounts, warned a top German official during a recent meeting on Ukraine, have put NATO -- and by extension, the entire West -- in danger of losing its credibility.
There are plenty of examples. Just over three weeks ago, during the cease-fire talks in Minsk, the Ukrainian military warned that the Russians -- even as the diplomatic marathon was ongoing -- had moved 50 tanks and dozens of rockets across the border into Luhansk. Just one day earlier, US Lieutenant General Ben Hodges had announced "direct Russian military intervention."
Senior officials in Berlin immediately asked the BND for an assessment, but the intelligence agency's satellite images showed just a few armored vehicles. Even those American intelligence officials who supply the BND with daily situation reports were much more reserved about the incident than Hodges was in his public statements. One intelligence agent says it "remains a riddle until today" how the general reached his conclusions.
Much More Cautious
"The German intelligence services generally appraise the threat level much more cautiously than the Americans do," an international military expert in Kiev confirmed.
At the beginning of the crisis, General Breedlove announced that the Russians had assembled 40,000 troops on the Ukrainian border and warned that an invasion could take place at any moment. The situation, he said, was "incredibly concerning." But intelligence officials from NATO member states had already excluded the possibility of a Russian invasion. They believed that neither the composition nor the equipment of the troops was consistent with an imminent invasion.
The experts contradicted Breedlove's view in almost every respect. There weren't 40,000 soldiers on the border, they believed, rather there were much less than 30,000 and perhaps even fewer than 20,000. Furthermore, most of the military equipment had not been brought to the border for a possible invasion, but had already been there prior to the beginning of the conflict. Furthermore, there was no evidence of logistical preparation for an invasion, such as a field headquarters.
Breedlove, though, repeatedly made inexact, contradictory or even flat-out inaccurate statements. On Nov. 18, 2014, he told the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that there were "regular Russian army units in eastern Ukraine." One day later, he told the website of the German newsmagazine Stern that they weren't fighting units, but "mostly trainers and advisors."
He initially said there were "between 250 and 300" of them, and then "between 300 and 500." For a time, NATO was even saying there were 1,000 of them.
The fact that NATO has no intelligence agency of its own plays into Breedlove's hands. The alliance relies on intelligence gathered by agents from the US, Britain, Germany and other member states. As such, SACEUR has a wide range of information to choose from.
Influencing Breedlove
On Nov. 12, during a visit to Sofia, Bulgaria, Breedlove reported that "we have seen columns of Russian equipment -- primarily Russian tanks, Russian artillery, Russian air defense systems and Russian combat troops -- entering into Ukraine." It was, he noted, "the same thing that OSCE is reporting." But the OSCE had only observed military convoys within eastern Ukraine. OSCE observers had said nothing about troops marching in from Russia.
Breedlove sees no reason to revise his approach. "I stand by all the public statements I have made during the Ukraine crisis," he wrote to SPIEGEL in response to a request for a statement accompanied by a list of his controversial claims. He wrote that it was to be expected that assessments of NATO's intelligence center, which receives information from all 33 alliance members in addition to partner states, doesn't always match assessments made by individual nations. "It is normal that not everyone agrees with the assessments that I provide," he wrote.
He says that NATO's strategy is to "release clear, accurate and timely information regarding ongoing events." He also wrote that: "As an alliance based on the fundamental values of freedom and democracy, our response to propaganda cannot be more propaganda. It can only be the truth."
The German government, meanwhile, is doing what it can to influence Breedlove. Sources in Berlin say that conversations to this end have taken place in recent weeks. But there are many at NATO headquarters in Brussels who are likewise concerned about Breedlove's statements. On Tuesday of last week, Breedlove's public appearances were an official item on the agenda of the North Atlantic Council's weekly lunch meeting. Several ambassadors present criticized Breedlove and expressed their incredulity at some of the commander's statements.
The government in Berlin is concerned that Breedlove's statements could harm the West's credibility. The West can't counter Russian propaganda with its own propaganda, "rather it must use arguments that are worthy of a constitutional state." Berlin sources also say that it has become conspicuous that Breedlove's controversial statements are often made just as a step forward has been made in the difficult negotiations aimed at a political resolution. Berlin sources say that Germany should be able to depend on its allies to support its efforts at peace.
Pressure on Obama
German foreign policy experts are united in their view of Breedlove as a hawk. "I would prefer that Breedlove's comments on political questions be intelligent and reserved," says Social Democrat parliamentarian Niels Annen, for example. "Instead, NATO in the past has always announced a new Russian offensive just as, from our point of view, the time had come for cautious optimism." Annen, who has long specialized in foreign policy, has also been frequently dissatisfied with the information provided by NATO headquarters. "We parliamentarians were often confused by information regarding alleged troop movements that were inconsistent with the information we had," he says.
The pressure on Obama from the Republicans, but also from his own political camp, is intense. Should the ceasefire in eastern Ukraine not hold, it will likely be difficult to continue refusing Kiev's requests for shipments of so-called "defensive weapons." And that would represent a dramatic escalation of the crisis. Moscow has already begun issuing threats in anticipation of such deliveries. "Any weapons deliveries to Kiev will escalate the tensions and would unhinge European security," Nikolai Patrushev, secretary of Russia's national security council, told the Russian newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda on Wednesday.
Although President Obama has decided for the time being to give European diplomacy a chance, hawks like Breedlove or Victoria Nuland are doing what they can to pave the way for weapons deliveries. "We can fight against the Europeans, fight against them rhetorically," Nuland said during a private meeting of American officials on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference at the beginning of February.
In reporting on the meeting later, the German tabloid Bild reported that Nuland referred to the chancellor's early February trip to Moscow for talks with Putin as "Merkel's Moscow stuff." No wonder, then, that people in Berlin have the impression that important power brokers in Washington are working against the Europeans. Berlin officials have noticed that, following the visit of American politicians or military leaders in Kiev, Ukrainian officials are much more bellicose and optimistic about the Ukrainian military's ability to win the conflict on the battlefield. "We then have to laboriously bring the Ukrainians back onto the course of negotiations," said one Berlin official.
Nuland Diplomacy
Nuland, who is seen as a possible secretary of state should the Republicans win back the White House in next year's presidential election, is an important voice in US policy concerning Ukraine and Russia. She has never sought to hide her emotional bond to Russia, even saying "I love Russia." Her grandparents immigrated to the US from Bessarabia, which belonged to the Russian empire at the time. Nuland speaks Russian fluently.
She is also very direct. She can be very keen and entertaining, but has been known to take on an undiplomatic tone -- and has not always been wrong to do so. Mykola Asarov, who was prime minister under toppled Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, recalls that Nuland basically blackmailed Yanukovych in order to prevent greater bloodshed in Kiev during the Maidan protests. "No violence against the protesters or you'll fall," Nuland told him according to Asarov. She also, he said, threatened tough economic and political sanctions against both Ukraine and the country's leaders. According to Asarov, Nuland said that, were violence used against the protesters on Maidan Square, information about the money he and his cronies had taken out of the country would be made public.
Nuland has also been open -- at least internally -- about her contempt for European weakness and is famous for having said "Fuck the EU" during the initial days of the Ukraine crisis in February of 2014. Her husband, the neo-conservative Robert Kagan, is, after all, the originator of the idea that Americans are from Mars and Europeans, unwilling as they are to realize that true security depends on military power, are from Venus.
When it comes to the goal of delivering weapons to Ukraine, Nuland and Breedlove work hand-in-hand. On the first day of the Munich Security Conference, the two gathered the US delegation behind closed doors to discuss their strategy for breaking Europe's resistance to arming Ukraine.
On the seventh floor of the Bayerischer Hof hotel in the heart of Munich, it was Nuland who began coaching. "While talking to the Europeans this weekend, you need to make the case that Russia is putting in more and more offensive stuff while we want to help the Ukrainians defend against these systems," Nuland said. "It is defensive in nature although some of it has lethality."
Training Troops?
Breedlove complemented that with the military details, saying that moderate weapons aid was inevitable -- otherwise neither sanctions nor diplomatic pressure would have any effect. "If we can increase the cost for Russia on the battlefield, the other tools will become more effective," he said. "That's what we should do here."
In Berlin, top politicians have always considered a common position vis-a-vis Russia as a necessary prerequisite for success in peace efforts. For the time being, that common front is still holding, but the dispute is a fundamental one -- and hinges on the question of whether diplomacy can be successful without the threat of military action. Additionally, the trans-Atlantic partners also have differing goals. Whereas the aim of the Franco-German initiative is to stabilize the situation in Ukraine, it is Russia that concerns hawks within the US administration. They want to drive back Moscow's influence in the region and destabilize Putin's power. For them, the dream outcome would be regime change in Moscow.
A massive troop training range is located in Yavoriv in western Ukraine near the Polish border. During Soviet times, it served as the westernmost military district in the Soviet Union. Since 1998, though, it has been used for joint exercises by Ukrainian forces together with the United States and NATO. Yavoriv is also the site where US soldiers want to train members of the Ukrainian National Guard for their future battle against the separatists. According to the Pentagon's plans, American officers would train the Ukrainians on how to use American artillery-locating radar devices. At least that's what US Army in Europe commander Lt. Gen. Hodges announced in January.
The training was actually supposed to start at the beginning of March. Before it began, however, President Obama temporarily put it on hold in order to give the ceasefire agreement reached in Minsk a chance. Still, the hawks remain confident that they will soon come a step closer to their goal. On Tuesday, Hodges said during an appearance in Berlin that he expects the training will still begin at some point this month.
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Nuclear false flag attack against major German city in 3, 2, 1......
http://www.governmentattic.org/14docs/USNORTHCOM-CONPLAN3505.pdf
I'm thinking a US city is more likely.
Plenty of Soviet era enriched plutonium and uranium was shipped stateside for
destruction. Russian 'fingerprints' can be traced to it, after the event.
A false flag in europe probably just won't get the desired result.Won't pass the smell test
with the european populace, whereas the American public is exceptionally dumb,and would buy it.
Putin is just not going to be suckered into making a move.The neo cons must be getting
as mad as hell ,and more irrational by the minute. This german 'leak' will put
the wind rigtht up them, and panic them into something hasty.
Shitty world we are living in right now.
These guys are batshit fucking crazy.
The psychopaths/sociopaths I know have a certain logic in their thinking.Might be
twisted ,and convoluted, but you can sort of follow it.
But these neocons: You're right, batshit crazy.
Is it the fools or the fools who follow them.
Well, Sir Winstons I am ready for the Luftwaffe. We now have off-grid radio for staying in touch with friends. Next week, the fallout shelter supplies arrive.
The question is will you be expected to file a tax return from that bunker. Oh and who do you call when the pipes back up. Bring a plunger.
is healthcare.gov available in the bunker?
He already told you: bring a plunger.
Do you know why the Internet was created?
DARPA created the Internet so the IRS had a mechanism to collect taxes after a nuclear war
I upvoted you, but strongly doubt that chosenites are -that- crazy, especially with a distinct possibility (a certitude) that a regiment or two of Topols are dedicaced to a certain very small country in ME.
Opening this pandora box would place the ru missile forces on the highest alert and send the bomber regiments into air...then it would suffice of a small misunderstanding, mere misinterpretation of intent in the theater or even a wrongly interpreted order by some patriotic sub driver, and homo sapiens sapiens would leave the scene for good...
I mean, they must know it, any general officer can tell them.
They've been shuffling the sane ones out for the last couple of years.
All thats left are yes men, and the nutjobs like Breedlove.
No salvation from that quarter I'm afraid.
The troops might refuse to act on unlawful orders. That's why they want to automate everything. Machines don't reason why.
The red phone hotline has been disconnected too.
Winston, speaking of German leaks - The Guardian having no credibility on the topic of Ukraine due to its cringeworthy russophobia, continues to stick to this ridiculous claim that a little over five thousand people have been killed in the conflict in E.Ukraine, making it a smallish conflict so the populace can go back to sleep.
b's a report that German intelligence estimates 50,000 deaths as of January.
Well it won't be Chiraq now, not with what that Romanian hacker said (if it can be believed). I wish I didn't live in the Twilight Zone.
"Out of my face please...out of my face."
The Nobel Prize Winner and the Neocons have always wanted to put Russia in its place and the destabilization of Ukraine was the starting point. It was payback for Putin protecting Assad and granting asylum to Snowden. USA wants Russia on its knees and complete full spectrum domination with no one to question US hegemony and infinite spying. Unfortunately Putin stands in the way and he must be demonized and destroyed.
Victoria Nuland Lied to US Congress about Phantom Russian Hoards in UkraineOn March 4, Nuland addressed House Foreign Affairs Committee members.
She called murdered US-funded, Boris Nemtsov a “freedom fighter, Russian patriot and friend.”
She absurdly called Ukraine “central to our 25 year Transatlantic quest for a ‘Europe whole, free and at peace.’ ”
Fact: Washington wants Ukraine used as a dagger against Russia’s heartland – with menacing US bases on its borders threatening is sovereign independence.
Nuland called US planned and implements year ago Maidan violence using well-trained Nazi thugs “peaceful protest(s) by ordinary Ukrainians.”
Fact: US-deposed President Viktor Yanukovych’s police showed remarkable restraint.
Fact: Washington-supported Nazi thugs bore full responsibility for beatings, sniper killings and other violence.
Fact: Ukrainian parliamentary and presidential elections were farcical – with no legitimacy whatever.
Fact: So-called economic reforms involve crushing hardships on already impoverished Ukrainians in return for loan-shark-of-last-resort IMF blood money.
Fact: No responsible political reforms exist. None are planned. It bears repeating. Ukraine is a US-installed fascist dictatorship.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/victoria-nuland-lied-to-us-congress-about-p...
The Neocons have killed millions in Iraq and got away scot-free:
US Sponsored Genocide Against Iraq 1990-2012. Killed 3.3 Million, Including 750,000 Childrenhttp://www.globalresearch.ca/us-sponsored-genocide-against-iraq-1990-201...
The basis of neocon philosophy is a LIE, that if you don't have a real enemy just make shit up.
How then can one "debate" a neocon with anything other than a baseball bat?
Their starting point is that neocons will lie if they have to and probably also just for the fun of it.
Psychopaths.
The Nobel Prize Winner has bombed 7 Muslim countries, destabilized Ukraine, attempted a coup in Venezuela, lied about sarin use in Syria to almost start a war, assassinated US citizens without a trial, regularly drones women and children and wedding parties and yet is the most admired man in the world in a Gallup poll in 2014. I would cry at humanity's stupidity, cruelty and corruption but I prefer to laugh. You love your lying war criminals then you will get lot more war.
"Does not play well with others."
except reggie
Add to Obama's Butcher's Bill
Coups in Egypt and Thailand
Horseface Kerry Pulled the chain on Morsi from his yacht on the Mediterranean while on Holiday
Definition of Oligarchy if you ask me
Why don't you look up what a Neocon is. He's a leftist that gave himself a new name for cover. Like all progressives.
They're all progressive leftists. After their humiliating defeat in the 1934 mid-term elections, the Republicans adopted progressivism lock, stock and barrel.
NeoCon and NeoLib are the two sides of the same coin - Zionism.
Judea uber alles
I hear General Breedlove also made a speech recently about "How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb"
Meet Neocon “Doughnut Dolly” Victoria Nuland
http://www.strategic-culture.org/news/2013/12/18/meet-neocon-doughnut-do...
Nuland’s career has been one of ensuring that the underpinnings of the Cold War never completely died out in Europe. Her State Department career began as the chief of staff to President Bill Clinton’s Deputy Secretary of State and close friend, Strobe Talbott. It was under Talbott that Nuland helped completely fracture Yugoslavia and ensured that the U.S. slanted against the interests of Russia’s ally, Serbia.
Nulant and Clinton - yes, those 2 go way back.
http://s24.postimg.org/hblfrs8ad/2g1c.jpg
That sort of looked pornographic! Nice catch.
So, her experience for the Uke job came from Slick's blowout of Yugoslavia...
More pieces fall into place.
The female bitch brigade began to infilitrate State under Clinton .. Nulan, Barbara Bodine who is piece of work .. from hell.. Susan Powers, Susan Rice to name a couple of the notable players ... actually the IMF went into the Balkans after the end of the Cold War .. brokered some loans . or what they called shock therapies.. which is simply rape and pillage with a twist . high interest rates and give us your first born as collateral. The Balkans was a IMF cluster fuck from the get go.. the imposition of harsh economic policies on the former Yugoslavia helped push it towards ethnic and religious break up .. I know for a fact . having seen it up close and personal .. that Clinton took money out of the special ops .. black ops budget to use to pay mercs to drive 150,000 Christians out of Kosovo . the NATO BOMBING of Serbia . now that is a crime against humanity and did far more damage to the Balkans than the Serbs ever did. Throw in special envoy Richard Holbrooke.. ever seen the pictures of him hanging with KLA jihadies . its priceless... what they left behind is a hell hole. Madeline Albright and Wesley Clark had dibs on various economic concessions at the end of the war . Dyncorp went in and turned it into a playground for sex trafficking . the UN added its bit. Suffice to say . the BALKANS is a shambles.. and that is the way UKRAINE will end up .. from a few years ago . New English Review... Bill Clinton's Bastard Army .. short read but informative.. http://www.newenglishreview.org/custpage.cfm/frm/31943/sec_id/31943
Angie needs to end her triangulating charade and choose sides. Keeping a foot in the Russian door while appeasing her Neocon masters in the West won't work much longer. She knows Obama is a spineless puppet who won't back her and Ukraine is a failed state run riot by neo Nazi thugs and oligarchs.
What's it going to be Angie, an act of heroism or taking Germany down with the Western ship?
Angie like Obama, Nuland, et al, is another political puppet/spokesperson for the power behind the money.
Which means her puppet masters are changing horses mid race.
No honor amongst thieves and/or psychopaths.
I wonder what on earth the CIA/NSA has on her that keeps her putting the interests of the US above her own country.
Come on Germany tell the USA to fuck right off............................. won't happen.
35 US military bases in Germany say you are absolutely correct.
My fantasy. Germany bolts the EU and joins BRICS
Cuts their losses and goes with the potential rather than down with the Anglozion ship
Simply look at the quality of our State dept -- Nuland, etc -- The average IQ and emotional intelligence there has to be at an all-time low.
Gone are the days when you had brillant statespeople in the state dept who were thorougly versed in history, politics, economics and debate.
"Gone are the days when you had brillant statespeople in the state dept who were thorougly versed in history, politics, economics and debate."
People are used to dumb and dumber DC. It matches the rest of the country.
Actually, the ordinary Jane and Joe are under no illusions of being able to control/rule the world....the idiots in charge on the other hand....
The statespeople may have been more intelligent at one time but their actions (covert murders, regime change, wars, etc.) have always been the same.
I hear ya Stumpy; cant argue with you either about that.
....oh and look who Nuland is married to.
I don't know man, they have that Marie Harf bitch. Now there is a brilliant bitch
Did they get their gold back yet?
Fuck the EU
"Fuck the EU" Hey, that's a Doughnut Dolly line.
NATO has been a shovel ready organization since the end of the cold war. They need a war to justify there existance.
Venn vill das Tchermance haff der fill uff dis sheisst, und tro der OOOO-SS-AY ofver?
Vir haben das grosse problemm mit Amerika. Verr are das ballce uff vee Tchermance? Vee muss haben der ballce!
{“WW3 WILL BE THE Reptiles & Psychopath VS. Human”}
…And Civilization
will change face for Ever
Hey!...Humans, we need luck!...These neocons do not care how many innocent people die or how many lives they ruin.
Greetings professor Falken.
A strange game.
The only winning move is not to play.
I think Germany went along with the actions in Uke for too long. Germany supported the sanctions and issued it's own propoganda against Russia. Including supporting the criminals who overthrew the elected govt and recognizing them as the legitimate leaders. Now the ball/NATO is ready to roll into Uke for real and Germany wants to stop it. Well, Germany you could have derailed this or seperated yourself from it long ago. Germany, did you ever vote against the sanctions, call the WUke's out as war criminals or demand the WUke's leave EUke?
Something appears to be already in motion and if so it is too late for Germany to change it. Once NATO forces are involved or even directly supporting the WUke forces then Germany falls into line.
Germany, issue a notice that no US or NATO forces will be allowed to strike EUke from Germany nor will they be allowed to move military supplies through Germany.
You can't start an offense w/o an unanimous vote by ZATO member-states. Supposedly.
That is my understanding as well. But I would not expect a vote to begin the events. I would envision NATO troops from key nations (Poland) to be put in place and then "shooting" to be occur. Of course the NATO troops would just be defending themselves, then the mission is push forward and fully engaged quickly.
The other option is to get US troops shot at and a few killed. Then while the response is occuring I would expect the US to demand official NATO support.
This is being pushed so strongly that only preemptive and absolute refusals to particiipate in any manner is going to derail it. IMO
I'm sure the Ukrainians would be more than happy to false flag a few US soldiers if that's what it takes to get a war with Russia rolling. Geez, they are so incompetent, they may do it by accident anyway.
Obama is a fudgepacking ISIS loving NEO-CON, who gives away free phones, ACA, and net neutrality to inbound illegals to cut grass and clean your pool.
/comedy
"Using my pen and phone, I am repatriating all YTs to Europe."
It is a Big Plus the Euros have their own individual G2 (Intel) Brigade HQ. Everyone keeps everyone else straight.
Now, This Breedlove guy should audition for a Baghdad Bob PR job.
Der Spiegel wakes to see no glory for Germany from neocon servitude.
The entire world hates Washington D.C. and Lloyd Blankfein.
Regime change in Berlin soon?
You think an "Illness"?
In the resource wars, Europe and America are competitors. Another war in Europe suits America just fine.
"No wonder, then, that people in Berlin have the impression that important power brokers in Washington are working against the Europeans."
FUCK THE EU
At this point giving the Ukraine army more weaponry amounts to them actually delivering it to the NAF. And I'd love to know what 'they' have on Breedlove. I'll bet it's really juicy. How many of your kids are you sending over there Breedlove?
When Emperor "Uncle Sam" has no clothes and is sporting the smallest Zionist dick!...
Time for Germany to make a some new resolution(s)... Starting with throwing out Merkel and the U.S. military from it's Country along with the Euro and replacing it with the Deutschmark!!!
nuland, breedlove , hodges and others have been engaged in what can only be described as treasonous activity endangerin' the lives of hundreds of millions (maybe billions). they belong in front of a firing squad right now.
Note to Germany: YOU are the fucking idiots who humped obama's leg, you fucking apologist pricks.
* not that McCain would have been better, but still.
Now they need to wakeup to the holohoax scam that was roped around their necks, join with Putin and purge the ziocons once and for all.
Stunned? It's what we do best (which aint saying much)
Nuland, Secretary of State in 2016, President in 2020.
Let's just Article V this Washington, D.C. problem out of existence and then figure out what to do with the 10 square miles of property called Washington, D.C. afterward.
She is also favored to be Sec'y of War in a Clinton Cabinet as well
I have a riddle for you to answer:
{ "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors … and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do." }..
Guess Who was..
i'll give you a hint...White European at his Best!...
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The USSA is fckin I-N-S-A-N-E.
For starters: FEMA-Camp those SCUMBAG NeoCons and rubber-room A$$HOLE Breedlove.
Iraqi Special Forces said they have arrested several ISIL’s foreign military advisors, including American, Israeli and Arab nationals in an operation in Mosul in the Northern parts of the country.
The Iraqi forces said they have retrieved four foreign passports, including those that belonged to American and Israeli nationals and one that belonged to the national of a Persian Gulf Cooperation Council (PGCC) member-state, from ISIL’s military advisors.
The foreign advisors were arrested in a military operation in Tal Abta desert near Mosul city.
Last year, a senior aide to Russian President Vladimir Putin accused Mossad of training ISIL terrorists operating in Iraq and Syria.
Alexander Prokhanov said that Mossad is also likely to have transferred some of its spying experiences to the ISIL leadership, adding that Israel’s military advisors could be assisting the Takfiri terrorists.
Prokhanov said ISIL is a byproduct of US policies in the Middle East.
ISIL is a tool at the hands of the United States. They tell the Europeans that if we (the Americans) do not intervene, ISIL will cause you harm,” he said, adding that Iran and Russia are the prime targets of the ISIL.
http://thesaker.is/iraq-arrests-isils-us-israeli-military-advisors-in-mo...
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/5/inside-the-beltway-al-gor...
Just call it Goretopia: While Hillary Rodham Clinton addresses multiple political challenges, the press continues to spiral off into speculation. Who is the Democratic standard bearer should she decide against running for president?
In the last 24 hours, Al Gore has made the list. Now 66, the former vice president remains stubbornly active in global warming issues; he is, in fact, going to Iowa — but not for campaign reasons. He’s teaching a climate “leadership” workshop in Cedar Rapids. All that aside, there is momentum building here as Mrs. Clinton’s complications increase. More succinct are these headlines: “With Hillary imploding, could Al Gore ride to the rescue?” (HotAir); “As Hillary Clinton wallows in scandal, desperate eyes turn to — Al Gore?” (Examiner.com); Rush Limbaugh even warned his listeners that Mr. Gore could now be “the Democratic savior of 2016.”
Yes, well. Mr. Gore has done many things since he left the White House. He’s been the climate alarmist for better or worse, a now and then media mogul, and lately, a music producer. He became a vegan. He’s been out of office longer than Jeb Bush, though he has remained in the public eye, authoring a new book and making multiple, cause-driven appearances. Yes, the hashtag #RunAlRun has now appeared on Twitter.
Read more: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/5/inside-the-beltway-al-gore-on-presidential-radar/#ixzz3TkIlGaML
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Algore got Clintonized once when Bill didn't resign at the end of his term giving him the easy win in 2000.
He's going to get it again Vince Foster style if he doesn't back away from Hillary.
Well, he is soulless, craven, full of shit, hypocrite, and inventor of the internet, so seems qualified enough.
Washington Times? Please.
No way Gore does this. 8 years of Obama Fatigue. Dems going down. They know this.
What? Was Mondale unavailable?
Right. And so why did this pop up now? Trying to stampede the Democratic herd somwhere...
(Reuters) - Britain said Friday it planned to supply Ukraine's army with a package of non-lethal military equipment to help it defend itself against what Defense Secretary Michael Fallon called "Russia's aggression."
The equipment, worth £850,000 ($1.3 million), will be gifted to Ukraine in the coming weeks in response to a request from Kiev. The package includes first aid kits, night vision goggles, laptops, helmets and GPS units.
http://russia-insider.com/en/2015/03/07/4188
Soon to appear on Kiev's Craigslist. Soon after that, to appear in the possession of the east Ukraine separatists.
What an insolence!
Neither Putin is amused about the fact that US boys are trying to build a military basis in his front yard nor he want to help to do so!
And the ultimate barfacedness: Miss Merkel does comprehend him!
March 5, 2015
Rusvesna
Translated by Kristina Rus
In less than two weeks the militia has completed renovations, which the command of ATO believed impossible in principle.
"Debaltsevo railway junction is restored. On March 3rd unloading of ammunition from the trains was recorded at the station," - said the speaker of the Ukrainian security forces, Andrei Lysenko.
It should be noted that on February 19, the same Andrei Lysenko claimed that the railway junction is completely destroyed:
http://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/03/kiev-junta-puzzled-by-diligence-of....
If you like to read like me!..This is very good!..
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Saludos...
This same guy has a blog that someone here provided the link for.
http://cluborlov.blogspot.com.br/2015/01/peculiarities-of-russian-nation...
His article gives some historic perspective about the Russian peoples' attitudes.
The US is NOT being run by "Neocons" but by socialists who, by definition, hate America. I personally don't understand US policy in Ukraine, or anywhere else for that matter. If it is not incoherent, as Obomber would suggest, then it is deliberately alienating allies and encouraging foes.
A bit of historical perspective: Communism and the USSR in particular IMHO were created not so much as "a socialist/marxist experiment", but rather as "affirmative action" platforms for the Zionists, who quickly ascended into positions of power in the Party and all the major sectors of the Soviet state. They wanted full control of the USSR and came close to getting it with chosenite Trotsky, but were derailed by the cunning street thug from Georgia.
So, they kept the consolation prize of being part of the Nomenklatura and kept on as best they could for as long as they could, consolidating their power all the while. By the early 1990's it was apparent that the Soviet economy wheels were about to come off, so the chosenite Nomenklatura realized they were leeching off a dying body and decided to bail out, in a huge diaspora just before the fall of the USSR, many went to Israel, many went to the West, and some stayed to raid the assets of the former USSR and so become oligarchs in Ukraine and Russia thanks to the value created from the sweat off the brow of millions of Russians, Ukrainians, etc for over 70 years. Losing a large portion of the Nomenklatura (which did help keep things running after a fashion) was too much and the whole Soviet ediface collapsed.
Interesting, but the "neo-cons" didn't really come into play much until about the time of this collapse. Also interesting is that almost ALL of them are dual-passport chosenites. To say they are "ex-leftists" who are now "conservative" is off the mark. What they are is Israeli agents. Ascribing to them a political philosophy on the "right-left" axis is a major success story in misdirection. Its *ALL* about Greater Israel, the center of the NWO.
They are Zionists, and now that they have pretty much taken over the United States (MSM, Finance, Hollywood, Academia, Government through AIPAC and Obama), since the fall of the USSR, along with the EU, they are ready to head back to Russia and take it over again - after all, that and China is just about all that has escaped their control. They would prefer another color revolution, but WWIII will do...
Obama has tried with some degree of success to dismantle Neocons.
He has been vetoing wars and has been withdrawing troops and cutting down military budgets.
Bank lobby tried with Obama to control neocons. Up until now they did.
However now Neocons are now coming back and no longer care about bank lobby and Obama
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/234948-defense-officials-get-ahead-of-...
Bank lobby is losing power day by day. Military Complex and Neocons are now in full come back mode.
Nuland, Carter, even Dempsey are now speaking their own mind without caring about the president. No punishment any longer.
The tide has turned in favor of neocons and against bank lobby.
Things are looking good.
We need neocons back into power and bank lobby totally demolished as it was from 1960 till 1990 when soviets collapsed.
Bank lobby rule from 1991 until now has been disastrous.
Bring bank neocons.
You are as batshit crazy as thhe neocons EKM.
Somewhere a padded cell has your name on it.
Hopefully, you can share it with Nuland.
If you want your bank lobby, you can keep your bank lobby.
You have two choices. Either bank lobby or military complex.
Pick one
downvote for false dichotomy, similar to red/blue 'choice' for voting public
What other options do you have right now?
Well, here's one, for example:
1) The USD falls as "reserve currency", and under a new monetary system Fort Knox is audited and found to be gold-free. North America turns into a global slave state supplying resources to the ROW, returning to the cultural backwater it was prior to Bretton Woods. Both MIC and Bankster government become irrelevant in North American terms, since their locus of operations shifts to other places in the world. North America becomes ruled by some other country, or rather, its owners who live in some other country.
That's my first option... not the one I like, but the one I expect to happen.
Here's another:
2) USA balkanises into several countries, either via civil war (hope not) or evolving into a quasi-EU economic association sharing a common north american trading currency. (This is the dream scenario I personally hope for but don't expect.) Some governments would have more power than others, but all would have different and localised priorities. Survival and sustainability would become much bigger domestic priorities, than war.
Here's another:
3) Some third party forms a legitimate (poss. coalition) government formed in the conventional way, which rejects both financial engineering and military adventures in favour of productivity as an economic base. Via co-operative transition work between the USA and ROW, the current bankster/MIC crop of criminals is publicly discredited and brought to trial in international court.
Here's another:
4) A majority of the population refrains from voting or supporting any of the criminals currently in power, rendering elections meaningless. Meanwhile a minority participates in a coup that escalates into civil war. Scarcity and bloody chaos reign until some organised coalition finally takes power, whether from within the country or without (outside) it.
I would welcome more informed scenarios, but my point is, there are many, MANY possibilities beyond the simple Bretton-Woods status quo you've specified, of either bank lobby or MIC rule. What I can see for sure, is that Bretton Woods is failing, broken beyond repair. It has been failing obviously since the '90s but now even its illusion of success is shattered due to internet debunking. To my eyes, it is looking less likely than ever that EITHER America's banksters or its MIC (if they are different) will have global relevance much longer. The failure of American governance in either form (bank or MIC), is becoming far too obvious. When you say that the only 2 choices available are bankster or MIC, you forget that they are BOTH reliant on a failing World Reserve Currency system. So it seems unlikely at best that bankster or MIC will remain in charge, but even if they do, you have to consider what happens if the failure that's already occurring, continues to occur in just the same way it is now. Obviously it will likely end up at some point removed from the bankster or MIC status quo.
I'm not very smart and maybe none of the things I've thought of has a chance of occurring. But even I can see that no matter whether the bank lobby or the MIC is in charge, the USD is failing quickly. (Not as a currency 'trade', but as a trading currency - which is the heart and soul of 'reserve'.) The IMF will have to decide either to go down with the US, or turn away from it to become a truly 'global' organisation. Unless your bank lobby or MIC has clout beyond the US, I think they are as doomed as any group that relies on 20th-century realities to exist. (Hello, NATO....) The US government will either have to change its character drastically, or be crushed.
It's kind of hilarious to me that they've gone so far as to trot out Kissinger, Brezinski, McCain, etc. from whatever coffins they normally sleep in. Western governments seem to have their heads stuck in the 20th century, which is why they're resorting to that senile set of fossils to 'advise' them. Whether bankster or military, the US badly needs some fresh thinking and some new blood.
It is my wet dream that the country breaks up into groups of states, with no central gov. All they need to do that is have a free trade, open borders agreement. A mutual defense pact is scary though, because again, one war monger state could false flag the rest into wars of aggression.
end the Fed, get back to sound money, and defund warmongers
"End the Fed"
Careful. That may be the penultimate plan along with ending the central banking system as we think we know it. Someone's already planned for it. I can see the MSM memes parroting how we were too short-sighted to understand that what we had wished for would be our own undoing.
The ultimate goal may be the final false flag event. Ending the CB System would allow the seamless transfer of wealth from a debt-based system of fiat over to an asset-backed global currency few of us would have the unpledged equity to participate in. They need enough time to CYA - erase any possibility of direct evidence while they systematically go about rubbing out the paper gold and rehypothecation trails leading back to their underlings.
Invest in fork trucks. They'll be at a premium as they're needed to drive pallets of commodities across adjacent property lines between public and private commodities warehouses.
Sooner or later it's inevitable given all of the monopoly money they've been injecting into the stocks and commodities markets. My guess is they're quietly converting as much paper gold as they can into hard assets.
They're way ahead of us. They invented Doomsday Prepping.
dumb sheeple will never get it ... that they have long been sold and enslaved
if grandma had wheels she would have been a ferrari
A classic case of False Dichotomy.
Don't they teach any new techniques in Troll School?
I agree with him to the extent that Pres Barky seems very vulnerable these days. I thought Bibi speaking to Congress was a big tell. I'll be surprised if Scooter gets thru his term (or even the rest of this year) without being removed from power.
I fervently hope this doesn't happen, since I bet they will install someone smarter and more competent. If it's Hilldawg, Warren, or a Bush criminal, I wouldn't be too concerned (except for those unfortunate souls living inside the borders of the United States), since they are also incompetent and we'd just get more of the same: bad governance as obvious as it is dangerous. We'd have to continue trying to stay out of its way until it inevitably fails.
If OTOH Barky is replaced by another 'virtual unknown', then the whole world better watch out.
No. There is a long history of israel prezes speaking to congress. This does not have any of the meaning you imagine.
What in the fuck are you talking about. The bank lobby and MIC are one in the same. When the banksters can create money out of nothing to be 'lent' to the government/military that means the banksters OWN them. You present a false choice, you can't have one or the other, one begets the other. And the obama vs neocon crap is bullshit too. The banksters, via funding, also own the politicians including Obama. He is more of a neocon than Bush is you look at his provocations. He just hasn't been able to pull off the false flag - yet - that draws un in to the Ukraine conflict.
"Things are looking good"
Your approach has some merit imho, though you heavily overestimate the power of the current so-called US prez.
He' s a face on an ensemble of interests and power groups, which express their -official- stance through him.He has no power at all, as he does not have his own power base in D.C. , he is here to read whatever text the consensus between said power centres gives him to read.
Having said this, it is possible that he managed to avert, or rather retard some wars yet to come; Iran and Ukr comes to mind,but only by the virtue of being black, and thats not something that will get you very far in the real power plays.
Though a man that hates netanyahu cannot be entirely evil.
Now, you wish the MIC to rule over the western world...can you develop, as it sounds like the raving of a lunatic?
If you want your bank lobby, you can keep your bank lobby
As you probably imagine, neither I or anyone else without direct interest in it, wants either of those powers to rule the west.
We have no other options.
Only these two choices are presented
Just how I was going to respond myself. You're obviously a smart guy!
Just how I was going to respond myself. You're obviously a smart guy!
Obama is an ambitious 1/2 negro that has no moral compass or soul. Perfect stooge for TPTB. Listen to the assclown, he sounds semi literate. This guy is just the face, the prince of fools.
Why not get rid of both, and just have the representational constitutional government our founding fathers intended?
that train left the station after ww2 when US became a superpower.
Or earlier when the Federal Reserve and IRS were created.
Most wishful thinking of the year.
If grandma had wheels ...
Sorry, but did you mean Dr Strangelove, not Breedlove?
Not much difference, is there?
THE USA needs a Maidan in DC, but there aren't enough people who want to do it.
A lot seem pleased they can go to other countries, sell arms, bomb and drone them so they can nation build, and that is a joke too.
Maidans don't just "happen". They are funded and organised by NGOs. Now what NGO in the u.s. is going to organise a revolt against the establishment, and pay protesters/rioters to hang around d.c. for the time required to effect change?
AINT. GONNA. HAPPEN.
I don't doubt the German people want a diplomatic solution, having learned the hard way that it never pays to piss off the Russian bear and that it'll be their throats torn out when its patience runs out.
Berlin? Pull the other one, it plays "Islam Is Peace."
The difference between the American banksters and German banksters is mostly tactical. The Germans still hope Putin will let them have part of Ukraine, if they kiss his ass thoroughly enough. (Putin, of course, has no reason not to insist on less than unconditional surrender of the Kiev junta and the re-unification of Great and Little Russia.)
The Americans have much less to lose from all-out war. Their attitude is that as long as they're cashed out of Europe (thanks, Mario, Goldman will richly reward you when the time comes to retire) and separated from the chaos by an ocean, life will go on on Wall Street come what may. Consequences? Those are for proles---in this case the European refugees who'll be New York's next batch of cheap waiters and white slaves, after the Americans are done destroying Europe's capital stock to keep it out of the hands of a future Eurasian Union (and blaming the Russians).
Not buying it. EU & Merkel a Commie from way back knows that Ukraine has fertile famland that IMF / ECB / German investors are buying all the large swaths of land they can now.. Appox. 1/3 of all of EU is in Ukraine Farmland. New Ukraine puppet state can plant GMO for profits, food to feed the EU & themselves & all part of the CON. Ramstein Air Base has the big US MIL Drone base where many Drone Killings are done. Germany is doubtful to leave. Bread & Circuses folks.
surely vlad is aware of this and a great deal more. am quite confident he'll impartially administer "justice" in due course.
That "fertile farmland" will be alot less interesting when it soil is full of spent Uranium rounds - those parts that haven't been turned to glass by tactical nukes!
I don't know. The CDU received 15.9% election return in Hamburg, a CDU stronghold. Someone might be reversing course to hang on to their job and benies.
"US President Obama supports Chancellor Merkel's efforts at finding a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis."
I got a good laugh out of that one!
That f*cker isn't Breeding much Love, is he?
About time. Enough of this US proxy war shit because their government cannot function without the privilege of a reserve currency status. The US government is broke, the FED is broke. Go fuck yourselves. Eastern Europe needs an American led invasion like Africans need Ebola.
Iraq is to the Neocons as the Ukraine is to the War Democrats.
Just put Angela Obama and Putin and the rest of these powerhungry psychopaths a cagefight and leave us people alone.
We all just want peace, we normal people.
just spent a hour composing a comment and 'POOF"
wtf
Good article, Tyler.
Next time can you do one on the source of Nuland's power?
She was appointed by Kerry who was appointed by Obama.
And now she's butt fucking both of them and Breedlove and Hodges and all of NATO.
Was there a Silent Coup by this Zenobia of Bessarabia?
Icky Vicky has been at State since Clinton. She was a foreign policy advisor to Cheney and an ambassador to Nato. Her father was nuts, and I personally do not think that the apple fell far from the tree.
I never seek to be amazed by man's potential for creating hell here on earth.
There is only one thing that might put a stop to this situation and that is a Russian base armed to the teeth with nukes on Cuba.
Personally, I think that is a MAD idea.
Yes Tyler...more Russian Propaganda....keep on keepin on...cept we are ll on to ya now
The Unfortunate truth is that your Government is a crooked Mafia
wow
Tyler is Russian? I never suspected it
A Durdensky. The lumber and logging oligarchs.
My list of "down vote and keep moving" is growing.
Sounds good to me.
here's another up for ya.
You mean US government? I agree
Once again, with feeling...
Yes Tyler...more Russian Propaganda....keep on keepin on...cept we are ll on to ya now
The Unfortunate truth is that your Government is a crooked Mafia
short and sweet version:
ref: http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/europe/ukraine/uatimeln.htm
Note: The year was 1991 on timeline and Ukraine independence from soviets. Shortly, an I mean get shorty[?]... Ukraine ask to join NATO {must meet protocol , think Turkey?}. All NATO country's are flying F-16D's over Ukraine testing-visits by NATO attack planes.
Note2: Turkey was building F-16's for USSA, no longer a strict agricultural economy with the ME largest military base and second largest army in NATO.
Note3: Orange Revolution 11/2004-1/2005 mucks-up NATO. Ukraine would rather build F-16's rather than MIG's? But enjoy making 'state-of-the-art' Russian Missiles.
Note4: Germany is in a 'big prison' geographically wanting out since the 19th & 20th century with only expansion via East or West. North and South are waterlogged with insurmountable mountains. Please realize that by the mid-80's the Post Cold-War had actually begun, long before the collapse of the 'Berlin Wall', with the globalist celebrating their new-world order term-- Central Europe, salivating a redux of the Marshall Plan? *** Think $Trillion$ Syrian/ Levant/ Mesopotamia Clean-up Fund once USSA gets Assad DOA! Marshall Plan grandiose!!!
Germany will be sandwiched, thus the Heart-and-Soul of the EU created in 1992 when the USSR dissolved has gone full circle... and now ~quarter century later the EUC is teetering on the threshold[precipice] of disunity?
Lastly, Germany can't survive without Asia, and that's China, Period! {and Russia is no 'Stalin', butt the joke is on the USSA's sick Foreign Policy ramsacked by Bush'ites and Cheney [the True-Darth-Vadar!], Rumsfeld, Gonzales, etel,[so many chicken-hawks willing to send yours and mine into harm's way --
Quote: "It is a very great poverty to decide that a child must die that you might live as you wish" Mother teresa of Calcutta
jmo
sorry dup2x
:-(
Hillary for president!
Sarc, right? She's a good choice if you prefer mushroom over cirrus clouds.
I upvoted you for the implied sarc tag.