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Germany Has Had Enough With US Neocons: Berlin "Stunned" At US Desire For War In Ukraine
While Russia's envoy to NATO notes that statements by the deputy head of NATO testify to the fact that the leaders of the bloc want to intervene in Russia’s internal politics, and are "dreaming of Russian Maidan," Washington has a bigger problem... Germany. As Der Spiegel reports, while US President Obama 'supports' Chancellor Merkel's efforts at finding a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis, hawks in Washington seem determined to torpedo Berlin's approach. And NATO's top commander in Europe hasn't been helping either with sources in the Chancellery have referred to Breedlove's comments as "dangerous propaganda."
This is the view of Russia’s permanent envoy to NATO:
“The speech in Riga demonstrates the concern about Russia’s democracy and internal policy. At last, now we know that NATO has a dream, and this dream is a Maidan in Russia,” Aleksandr Grushko said in comment that was tweeted through the Russian representation office in the alliance.
Grushko referred to the words of NATO's deputy secretary general, Alexander Vershbow, who had told a conference in the Latvian capital Riga that President Vladimir Putin's "aim seems to be to turn Ukraine into a failed state and to suppress and discredit alternative voices in Russia, so as to prevent a Russian 'Maidan.'" Both officials used the Ukrainian word ‘Maidan’ to describe a string of protest actions that eventually turned into mass unrest and the ousting of the legally elected president and parliament.
And as Der Spiegel reports, The Germans are not happy.
Breedlove's Bellicosity: Berlin Alarmed by Aggressive NATO Stance on Ukraine
US President Obama supports Chancellor Merkel's efforts at finding a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine crisis. But hawks in Washington seem determined to torpedo Berlin's approach. And NATO's top commander in Europe hasn't been helping either.
It was quiet in eastern Ukraine last Wednesday. Indeed, it was another quiet day in an extended stretch of relative calm. The battles between the Ukrainian army and the pro-Russian separatists had largely stopped and heavy weaponry was being withdrawn. The Minsk cease-fire wasn't holding perfectly, but it was holding.
On that same day, General Philip Breedlove, the top NATO commander in Europe, stepped before the press in Washington. Putin, the 59-year-old said, had once again "upped the ante" in eastern Ukraine -- with "well over a thousand combat vehicles, Russian combat forces, some of their most sophisticated air defense, battalions of artillery" having been sent to the Donbass. "What is clear," Breedlove said, "is that right now, it is not getting better. It is getting worse every day."
German leaders in Berlin were stunned. They didn't understand what Breedlove was talking about. And it wasn't the first time. Once again, the German government, supported by intelligence gathered by the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Germany's foreign intelligence agency, did not share the view of NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR).
The pattern has become a familiar one. For months, Breedlove has been commenting on Russian activities in eastern Ukraine, speaking of troop advances on the border, the amassing of munitions and alleged columns of Russian tanks. Over and over again, Breedlove's numbers have been significantly higher than those in the possession of America's NATO allies in Europe. As such, he is playing directly into the hands of the hardliners in the US Congress and in NATO.
The German government is alarmed. Are the Americans trying to thwart European efforts at mediation led by Chancellor Angela Merkel? Sources in the Chancellery have referred to Breedlove's comments as "dangerous propaganda." Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier even found it necessary recently to bring up Breedlove's comments with NATO General Secretary Jens Stoltenberg.
The 'Super Hawk'
But Breedlove hasn't been the only source of friction. Europeans have also begun to see others as hindrances in their search for a diplomatic solution to the Ukraine conflict. First and foremost among them is Victoria Nuland, head of European affairs at the US State Department. She and others would like to see Washington deliver arms to Ukraine and are supported by Congressional Republicans as well as many powerful Democrats.
Indeed, US President Barack Obama seems almost isolated. He has thrown his support behind Merkel's diplomatic efforts for the time being, but he has also done little to quiet those who would seek to increase tensions with Russia and deliver weapons to Ukraine. Sources in Washington say that Breedlove's bellicose comments are first cleared with the White House and the Pentagon. The general, they say, has the role of the "super hawk," whose role is that of increasing the pressure on America's more reserved trans-Atlantic partners.
A mixture of political argumentation and military propaganda is necessary. But for months now, many in the Chancellery simply shake their heads each time NATO, under Breedlove's leadership, goes public with striking announcements about Russian troop or tank movements. To be sure, neither Berlin's Russia experts nor BND intelligence analysts doubt that Moscow is supporting the pro-Russian separatists. The BND even has proof of such support.
But it is the tone of Breedlove's announcements that makes Berlin uneasy. False claims and exaggerated accounts, warned a top German official during a recent meeting on Ukraine, have put NATO -- and by extension, the entire West -- in danger of losing its credibility.
There are plenty of examples. Just over three weeks ago, during the cease-fire talks in Minsk, the Ukrainian military warned that the Russians -- even as the diplomatic marathon was ongoing -- had moved 50 tanks and dozens of rockets across the border into Luhansk. Just one day earlier, US Lieutenant General Ben Hodges had announced "direct Russian military intervention."
Senior officials in Berlin immediately asked the BND for an assessment, but the intelligence agency's satellite images showed just a few armored vehicles. Even those American intelligence officials who supply the BND with daily situation reports were much more reserved about the incident than Hodges was in his public statements. One intelligence agent says it "remains a riddle until today" how the general reached his conclusions.
Much More Cautious
"The German intelligence services generally appraise the threat level much more cautiously than the Americans do," an international military expert in Kiev confirmed.
At the beginning of the crisis, General Breedlove announced that the Russians had assembled 40,000 troops on the Ukrainian border and warned that an invasion could take place at any moment. The situation, he said, was "incredibly concerning." But intelligence officials from NATO member states had already excluded the possibility of a Russian invasion. They believed that neither the composition nor the equipment of the troops was consistent with an imminent invasion.
The experts contradicted Breedlove's view in almost every respect. There weren't 40,000 soldiers on the border, they believed, rather there were much less than 30,000 and perhaps even fewer than 20,000. Furthermore, most of the military equipment had not been brought to the border for a possible invasion, but had already been there prior to the beginning of the conflict. Furthermore, there was no evidence of logistical preparation for an invasion, such as a field headquarters.
Breedlove, though, repeatedly made inexact, contradictory or even flat-out inaccurate statements. On Nov. 18, 2014, he told the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that there were "regular Russian army units in eastern Ukraine." One day later, he told the website of the German newsmagazine Stern that they weren't fighting units, but "mostly trainers and advisors."
He initially said there were "between 250 and 300" of them, and then "between 300 and 500." For a time, NATO was even saying there were 1,000 of them.
The fact that NATO has no intelligence agency of its own plays into Breedlove's hands. The alliance relies on intelligence gathered by agents from the US, Britain, Germany and other member states. As such, SACEUR has a wide range of information to choose from.
Influencing Breedlove
On Nov. 12, during a visit to Sofia, Bulgaria, Breedlove reported that "we have seen columns of Russian equipment -- primarily Russian tanks, Russian artillery, Russian air defense systems and Russian combat troops -- entering into Ukraine." It was, he noted, "the same thing that OSCE is reporting." But the OSCE had only observed military convoys within eastern Ukraine. OSCE observers had said nothing about troops marching in from Russia.
Breedlove sees no reason to revise his approach. "I stand by all the public statements I have made during the Ukraine crisis," he wrote to SPIEGEL in response to a request for a statement accompanied by a list of his controversial claims. He wrote that it was to be expected that assessments of NATO's intelligence center, which receives information from all 33 alliance members in addition to partner states, doesn't always match assessments made by individual nations. "It is normal that not everyone agrees with the assessments that I provide," he wrote.
He says that NATO's strategy is to "release clear, accurate and timely information regarding ongoing events." He also wrote that: "As an alliance based on the fundamental values of freedom and democracy, our response to propaganda cannot be more propaganda. It can only be the truth."
The German government, meanwhile, is doing what it can to influence Breedlove. Sources in Berlin say that conversations to this end have taken place in recent weeks. But there are many at NATO headquarters in Brussels who are likewise concerned about Breedlove's statements. On Tuesday of last week, Breedlove's public appearances were an official item on the agenda of the North Atlantic Council's weekly lunch meeting. Several ambassadors present criticized Breedlove and expressed their incredulity at some of the commander's statements.
The government in Berlin is concerned that Breedlove's statements could harm the West's credibility. The West can't counter Russian propaganda with its own propaganda, "rather it must use arguments that are worthy of a constitutional state." Berlin sources also say that it has become conspicuous that Breedlove's controversial statements are often made just as a step forward has been made in the difficult negotiations aimed at a political resolution. Berlin sources say that Germany should be able to depend on its allies to support its efforts at peace.
Pressure on Obama
German foreign policy experts are united in their view of Breedlove as a hawk. "I would prefer that Breedlove's comments on political questions be intelligent and reserved," says Social Democrat parliamentarian Niels Annen, for example. "Instead, NATO in the past has always announced a new Russian offensive just as, from our point of view, the time had come for cautious optimism." Annen, who has long specialized in foreign policy, has also been frequently dissatisfied with the information provided by NATO headquarters. "We parliamentarians were often confused by information regarding alleged troop movements that were inconsistent with the information we had," he says.
The pressure on Obama from the Republicans, but also from his own political camp, is intense. Should the ceasefire in eastern Ukraine not hold, it will likely be difficult to continue refusing Kiev's requests for shipments of so-called "defensive weapons." And that would represent a dramatic escalation of the crisis. Moscow has already begun issuing threats in anticipation of such deliveries. "Any weapons deliveries to Kiev will escalate the tensions and would unhinge European security," Nikolai Patrushev, secretary of Russia's national security council, told the Russian newspaper Komsomolskaya Pravda on Wednesday.
Although President Obama has decided for the time being to give European diplomacy a chance, hawks like Breedlove or Victoria Nuland are doing what they can to pave the way for weapons deliveries. "We can fight against the Europeans, fight against them rhetorically," Nuland said during a private meeting of American officials on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference at the beginning of February.
In reporting on the meeting later, the German tabloid Bild reported that Nuland referred to the chancellor's early February trip to Moscow for talks with Putin as "Merkel's Moscow stuff." No wonder, then, that people in Berlin have the impression that important power brokers in Washington are working against the Europeans. Berlin officials have noticed that, following the visit of American politicians or military leaders in Kiev, Ukrainian officials are much more bellicose and optimistic about the Ukrainian military's ability to win the conflict on the battlefield. "We then have to laboriously bring the Ukrainians back onto the course of negotiations," said one Berlin official.
Nuland Diplomacy
Nuland, who is seen as a possible secretary of state should the Republicans win back the White House in next year's presidential election, is an important voice in US policy concerning Ukraine and Russia. She has never sought to hide her emotional bond to Russia, even saying "I love Russia." Her grandparents immigrated to the US from Bessarabia, which belonged to the Russian empire at the time. Nuland speaks Russian fluently.
She is also very direct. She can be very keen and entertaining, but has been known to take on an undiplomatic tone -- and has not always been wrong to do so. Mykola Asarov, who was prime minister under toppled Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych, recalls that Nuland basically blackmailed Yanukovych in order to prevent greater bloodshed in Kiev during the Maidan protests. "No violence against the protesters or you'll fall," Nuland told him according to Asarov. She also, he said, threatened tough economic and political sanctions against both Ukraine and the country's leaders. According to Asarov, Nuland said that, were violence used against the protesters on Maidan Square, information about the money he and his cronies had taken out of the country would be made public.
Nuland has also been open -- at least internally -- about her contempt for European weakness and is famous for having said "Fuck the EU" during the initial days of the Ukraine crisis in February of 2014. Her husband, the neo-conservative Robert Kagan, is, after all, the originator of the idea that Americans are from Mars and Europeans, unwilling as they are to realize that true security depends on military power, are from Venus.
When it comes to the goal of delivering weapons to Ukraine, Nuland and Breedlove work hand-in-hand. On the first day of the Munich Security Conference, the two gathered the US delegation behind closed doors to discuss their strategy for breaking Europe's resistance to arming Ukraine.
On the seventh floor of the Bayerischer Hof hotel in the heart of Munich, it was Nuland who began coaching. "While talking to the Europeans this weekend, you need to make the case that Russia is putting in more and more offensive stuff while we want to help the Ukrainians defend against these systems," Nuland said. "It is defensive in nature although some of it has lethality."
Training Troops?
Breedlove complemented that with the military details, saying that moderate weapons aid was inevitable -- otherwise neither sanctions nor diplomatic pressure would have any effect. "If we can increase the cost for Russia on the battlefield, the other tools will become more effective," he said. "That's what we should do here."
In Berlin, top politicians have always considered a common position vis-a-vis Russia as a necessary prerequisite for success in peace efforts. For the time being, that common front is still holding, but the dispute is a fundamental one -- and hinges on the question of whether diplomacy can be successful without the threat of military action. Additionally, the trans-Atlantic partners also have differing goals. Whereas the aim of the Franco-German initiative is to stabilize the situation in Ukraine, it is Russia that concerns hawks within the US administration. They want to drive back Moscow's influence in the region and destabilize Putin's power. For them, the dream outcome would be regime change in Moscow.
A massive troop training range is located in Yavoriv in western Ukraine near the Polish border. During Soviet times, it served as the westernmost military district in the Soviet Union. Since 1998, though, it has been used for joint exercises by Ukrainian forces together with the United States and NATO. Yavoriv is also the site where US soldiers want to train members of the Ukrainian National Guard for their future battle against the separatists. According to the Pentagon's plans, American officers would train the Ukrainians on how to use American artillery-locating radar devices. At least that's what US Army in Europe commander Lt. Gen. Hodges announced in January.
The training was actually supposed to start at the beginning of March. Before it began, however, President Obama temporarily put it on hold in order to give the ceasefire agreement reached in Minsk a chance. Still, the hawks remain confident that they will soon come a step closer to their goal. On Tuesday, Hodges said during an appearance in Berlin that he expects the training will still begin at some point this month.
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If war happens between USSA and FUSSR, we Canooks would have reason to be very nervous. Seeing as we're right in the middle and border both countries.
Yes, but the real division will still be between the warmongers in office and the people.
don't worrsy about it, that a**hole harper will make sure you are duly represented on the side of the zionists.
I thought Obama was the Commander and Chief of the US armed forces? I guess I was mistaken.
Truth is just a little speedbump on the Obama Junta's lust for WWIII
Obama hates that Europe is working for peace
I hope the ZATO fools do give lethal weapons to the Neo Nazis in Kiev. Then we will see what Lemonhead has under the hood
Superfly wil piss himself in his mom Jeans
The brainwashing and confusion of the drudgies is unbelieveable. You people keep thinking ww3 is just days, weeks or months away. We are not even close. All you hear is collapse this and insolvent that. As if the "readers" whom currently flock to this website know something that everyone else doesnt. Do you really think you know more about the state of our money than the FED? Its funny how last year everyone was saying that inflation was right around the corner and we al need bullets and food. And here we are today with oil cut in half and the dollar strong as hell. Now the new fad is deflation and we are all dead from that too. It just kills me how much people dont think nowadays. Whats going on in Ukraine was the same thing we did in the 80's in Afghanistan. Did we get ww3 out of that? Probably the closest the world has been to ww3 was in 1989 with the collapse of the Soviet Union-- history shows big wars either precede or follow such events-- and guess what we are all still here. This kind of stuff is the way of the world and it always has been. So those of you with fantasies of living post apocalyptic earth, just quit wasting your time and get a job and stay the hell off of zerohedge. I used to love this site till the drudge showed up.
Ukraine is just another Afghanistan? Are you nuts?
Yeah, and Afghanistan gave Pakistan, with Reagan's financial help, the Nuclear Bomb! A Q Khan proliferates nuclear know-how for $$$'s!!!
Soviet demise opens up free for all for muslim terrorist in the ME. Nice! USSA creates monster?, for divide and conquer 'Captain Chaos Exceptionalism'1
Most major wars start with events such as the Ukraine. Although it takes years of simmering for all sides to choose their best alternative for existence. Russia has Hydrogen Bombs in the hundreds or several hundreds last count never mind atomic bombs, all combined!
Remember this; a Hydrogen Bomb is the most destructive weapon in the universe. When the atomic-bomb inside is used as the detonator it is quite similar to a mini-nova.
Nuclear bombs are not nearly as destructive but great for taking out a rogue-state temporarily?
Note: The Russian Empire was imploding as the last of the *Bolshevik's died out {* Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko, with Gorbachev signing a new union treaty, and with that most recent [young blood for real change?] leadership was indeed glad to see it gone, even with a failed coup d`etat, Period!
When and if Russia is backed into this ridiculous-corner you so-call hogwash is just war-mongering rubbish,... be prepared that in a seconds tyme the world as we know it will be a 'White dwarf'!!!
So please don't cry Wolf on zerohedge against, Tyler as he is perhaps the only true bonifide 'Cassandra!?!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abdul_Qadeer_Khan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_coup_d%27%C3%A9tat_attempt
Lastly, 'Mr. Know-it-All',... those of us show up on ZH to learn and debate, keeping the thread weaving and pulling in all direction to find the needle somewhere missing in your lead'd`cranium, that gives us cause to keep on questioning... authority [as cartman would say]!
cheers
"I used to love this site till the drudge showed up."
And yet you keep coming back...and clogging it up w/verbosity
He says that NATO's strategy is to "release clear, accurate and timely information regarding ongoing events."
Failed Strategy.....
Breedlove quote "...sapping our vital bodily fluids"....Really this is all about the private for profit Fed Reserve Note or its proxies like Tresuries and US bonds falling out of favor as acceptable equity in balance of payment settlements in trade. No one wants the stinkin' Fed dollar or its representatives like T bills and bonds because they're all going to go to zero sooner than later. Nations refusing are acting in their own rational best interests but the BIS system wants to declare war on anyone who opts out of the Fourth Riech as resurected in America.
Not going to miss Saudi Arabia at all........ .
Or America.
First Neocons are nothing but the chosen tool of the Mega Kapital at the moment. Secondly Germany is still a slave for and an occupied country by the Mega Kapital at the moment. Lastly to keep fucking the world financially forever unavoidable warz with Russia and China are inevitable and drop all your unrealistic hopes.
The cancer is not on Main Street.
It's on Pennsylvania Avenue, Wall Street, and Capitol Hill.
Breedlove, Strangelove, too much love. A good ol' nuclear war will be good for the economy and will cool off the planet with all the dust and ash, a nuclear winter will put to a stop to that global warming shit once and for all. ;-)
Bush wins he'll get the gang back together again. Nuland will get a possible Sec of State of position and Kagan will get to push an entirely new war somewhere including his old favorite, Iran.
For all of the people on here that criticize Obama in foreign policy (and rightfully so at times), another Bush in the White House is a horrifying thought in terms of what it will almost certainly mean for the chances of a major and possibility widespread foreign conflict. Right lots it is lots of minor fires in several places.
We've all had this happen to us at least once in Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jWmyGKfwdI
whn i went to germany you eat like a guy subjected to oliver syndrome, no i dont wat a small cube of meat, a small leaf of a rabbit chewed lettuce either, they eat a single egg for breakfast. im past 6 foot suck a dick.i eat 50 cows and ill chop them up myself, germans should just give me all their women, call it a day.
cant carry guns, carry knives, or whatever, grab a kronenburg french beer and bash some albanian refugees, i did, germans are as efficient as i let them
I upvoted you because I'm shitfaced too.
it's amazing, how do you get the kb up your ass to tip shit like this. lmao
Don't both of these people serve at the Presidents pleasure? Why not just fire them? If Barry was against them the solution seems clear.
Banned AR-15 bullets will have to be purchased thru Germany. Wet dream.
/sarc
This hate filled lying warmonger is named Breedlove...that is funny.
It is clear why Berlin would like to ignore Putins aggression. When the massive Russian maneuver in the Black Sea will end in April, they will have the troops and equipment in place for the "separatists" to open a second front and they will connect the Crimea with Donbas. That event should silence all those daydreamers who believe Putin's Russia is the victim. The parallels to 1939 are obvious, but who needs history books when you have Facebook.
"but who needs history books when you have Facebook. "
you do, fool. but then you'd have to know how to read. lol
So you would prefer a Uke "solution" that did not engage Russia in negotiations and discusssions? REALLLLY????
Yes the parallels to 1939 are uncanny and the U.S. is playing Nazi Germany this time. I guess that makes Breedlove Herman Göering?
""No violence against the protesters or you'll fall," Nuland told him according to Asarov."
Then she gave the snipers orders to shoot protesters.
With this kind of leadership, the US looks exactly like Israel, or is it the other way around? I hear there is a big heated debate about which country controls which, when in reality there is a shared influence between them.
we need to do a lot of target practice it seems in Congress mostly on NeoCON-artists
No free press, killing independent journalists, propaganda and lies instead of information, political trials - I think that the concerns about Russia’s democracy and internal policy are fully justified. Democracy in Russia doesn't exist.
neither in usa dickhead .
ha! nice description of the Ukraine-ya paid shill-you think democracy exists in the USA? lol
you don't even know the meaning of the word. lmao
Did you see congress grovel to Netanyahu? They're all bought. The only ones who aren't bought are the pedophile politicians filmed with children on billionaire's private islands who betray their fellow citizens for free because of the blackmail. Democracy in America exists but only for the oligarchs.
I'm sorry if you're Ukrainian as it's not your fault you're caught up in the neocons latest round of evil but Washington is 100% neocon and banking mafia controlled and that makes them the bad guy.
down vote; move on
"No free press, killing independent journalists, propaganda and lies instead of information, political trials - I think that the concerns about Russia’s democracy and internal policy are fully justified. Democracy in Russia doesn't exist."
The pot calling the kettle black? Here is how the democracy in Poland exists when a prominent figure steps out of line. I think, in body count, Poland may actually be more efficient than Russia or E.U. (car "accidented" Heider) in getting rid of political dissenters.
http://www.ceeinsight.net/2013/09/23/mysterious-deaths-high-profile-indi...
Some quotes:
More on the subject
Where is a Richard Holbrooke when you need him.
Just the type of thing he could've sorted out.
SPOILER ALERT ! THIS IS POLITICAL THEATER !
..."The pressure on Obama from the Republicans, but also from his own political camp, is intense"!
I mean, COME ON !!! Suddenly, some fucker in Germany wakes up and realizes...OH MIEN GOT ! USSA ARE HAWKS !
Sorry, this pleb isn't falling for it. And as for painting Obama as being dovish on woar...
Whatevers....
Ah, yes! Politicians practicing the art of of deception. Thank goodness those pesky Krauts are all over it.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=STlBnCePeNQ
Germany saying NEIN to any more sanctins. That is the point of this
Can't the downtrodden, disgruntled, unwashed and just plain gun crazy get Mercan un-Civil War 2 finally going....? Jeez the rest of the planet wants to see Merca going Afghan, Iraq, Libya, Syria with all those slums on fire and heavy weapons race war on teeeeveeeee.
The US needs a world war to survive - and that's all the theater is about.
The banking mafia need a world war to survive. What the US needs is to throw the banking mafia into the sea and rebuild the US economy so it doesn't rely solely on the dollar.
It's not our fight. We don't need any more war period. We had no business going into Iraq or Afghanistan and we sure as hell have no business going into Ukraine. Truly Inspriration's comment is probably correct. They don't care who dies; they only care about profit. I love my guns don't get me wrong but I would use them for defense only. Let's start calling the cards as they are. Department of Defense? Bullshit, these fuckers are the Department of Offense and the decision makers all have huge fat asses and they want to sent our children into their banker battles to die. My son will not participate in this foolishness. I will make sure of that.
What about the Christmas truce of WW1? They did not want to kill each other after all. Hating is a waste of time. If I don't like someone then I ignore them. If you kick in my door and attempt to steal from or hurt myself and/or my children in any way then it all changes. Now I will kill you. I will defend. But I will never go on offense. It is a pretty easy thing to figure out the deal of life, what it is, and it works. I have lived more than half of my life now and I have no interest in hearing progagandist bullshit. I am raising them to question authority and even myself. I encourage my children to question me because I am not always correct and when I am not correct it due a lack of pertinent information. Mostly I am correct though.(that is debatable of course) That is what will make the difference for the future. A great deal that I know comes from ZH and mostly from other posters. I am raising ZH type kids who will question everthing. The first English word my son learned was "bullshit". So it goes.
One thing is for sure, I am not raising our children to be cannon fodder for some banker war. There is no reason for doing that and you can shove patriotism right your up asshole. I have already buried my parents but I will not bury my children for some fucking banker. Do you fuckers that are bankers understand what I just said? If I was not clear enough then I will be clear now. I owe you leeches nothing. If you want to have fight get off your fat McDonalds ass go do it yourself. And for good measure your "bullet proof vests" are useless against what you will get if you come in my door. The best idea is to leave alone. I will not bother anyone. Leave me be as I am. That is reasonable. I say this so that it is understood. Keep calm and carry on.
"We had no business going into Iraq or Afghanistan and we sure as hell have no business going into Ukraine."
It is about the business of war and those who profit. Great post.
You have it Iridium Rebel. You are a good man yourself. It is people like you who I don't have worry about. Peace.
I'm with you brother. Its patriotic to fight to be free from tyranny at home or abroad.
The American people may be willing to defend themselves, but I'm sick and goddamned tired of the miscreants in Washington dragging our asses around the world to defend others. Especially when most of those others don't want us there, or on some bald faced lie (we can recall what these have been over the years too) needed to justify our troop's involvement.
Much of what we have done since Vietnam mocks the valiant sacrifices made in WWII. We are not today what we were then. The world doesn't think so either. Too many lies and unjustified deployments of damned good men and women in uniform for mostly dubious or exaggerated rationales.
Watch NATO. It is a menace to peace, especially, in Europe...
If Europe actually needs a collective military defense or deterrent force, then let IT construct, equip, and maintain it. There hasn't been any justification for an American participation, let alone leadership, in that organization since the end of the Warsaw Pact. Our involvement needs to end. If the American people rise, and demand it, it will happen.
This president does not have what it takes to terminate American participation in that scheming Cold War relic, but Americans had better demand that the next one pulls us OUT.
If we don't, eventual war with Russia or China is all but assured.
The fewer the tools at the miscreant's disposal, the less harm they can cause all of us.
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Did you see The Spies Who Fooled the World? The history is always the same...
http://youtu.be/p3K9twuuU7g
neocons getting crazier and crazier the longer they don't get their way
Appears your negro is a crazy man.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/issues/service
Of course considering Obomber got a peace prize, it should be no surprise he wants to go to war...
Er, hmmmm....
"As an alliance based on the fundamental values of freedom and democracy, our response to propaganda cannot be more propaganda. It can only be the truth."
This dude should sign up as Jon Stewart's replacement on The Comedy Channel.
I wonder if he smells what he's shoveling; probably an impossibility of the job.
It’s Nato that’s empire-building, not Putin.
http://www.spectator.co.uk/features/9459602/its-nato-thats-empire-buildi...
Contrary to myth, the expansion of the EU into the former communist world has not magically brought universal peace, love and prosperity. Croatia’s economy has actually gone backwards since it joined. Corruption still exists in large parts of the EU’s new south-eastern territories, and I am not sure that the rule of law could be said to have been properly established there. So the idea that the recruitment of Ukraine to the ‘West’ will magically turn that troubled nation into a sunny paradise of freedom, probity and wealth is perhaps a little idealistic, not to say mistaken.
Nice book: The Best System Money Can Buy: Corruption in the European Union
War with Russia would be a welcome development .... for awhile, as the american aggressions advance, it will seem like they are winning and Russia is retreating, retreating, retreating ... and the media will continually minimize the losses of life, the losses of resources, the losses of trade with former allies, the sacrifices and rationing at home, the reduction of benefits to "ordinary" americans ... and then one fine day the entire shell of what was once referred to as "forteress america" will simply collapse and disappear ...
http://www.missmoss.co.za/2009/07/06/popping-bubbles/
Deutschland, Deutschland ueber Alles, ueber Alles in der Welt. ;-)
Judea Judea ueber alles in der welt....
The country that hosts the most U.S military bases in Europe is stunned at U.S imperalism, lol.
u mean the occupied territory of Germany, still at war with Amerika, still no peace treaty, since 1945?
What can they do?
Shoot every US soldier i n Karlsruhe? In my opinion, yes, they should kill them all.
The American soldiers are just serfs paid to be there. the blame does not lie with them.
Just as world jewry declared war on Germany in the 1930's, they have now declared war on Russia. Why? In the first case they wanted to move jews to populate Palestine, in the second, they wanted to punish Russia for it's inability to glorify Marxism.
Russians have never admired Marxizm (birth name of Marx: Mordechai Moses Levi).
Marxizm has been imported to Russia from USA (Bronstein-Trotzkij) and from UK/Germany (Lenin-Uljanov, grandson of Israel Blank).
We, Slavic people, do not like Marxizm at all.
And the Bolshevik Revolution in 1917 was financed by American Jewish bankers Warburg and Schiff. Strange but true.
And the American Revolution was financed by a Jew!
Haym Salomon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haym_Salomon
I would think most Americans would appreciate that.
But no, not here.
Jew tribe nonsense.
Realy?
How many people have suffered and enslaved in Russia because they opposed Marxism
A virtual slaughterhouse.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNAs0Dq_IDM&feature=iv&src_vid=eDlfAH9l1...
Here's the group who's behind the Russian Opposition Leaders murder.They're ISIS-backed terrorists allied with Chechens and backing them against Russia.The same gang that Victoria Nuland is secretly funding and far right-wing NATO leaders like Stephen Harper from Canada are also supporting and funding and sending weapons to.The Germans now think these leaders that are backing these terrorists are psychopaths.
http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/washingtons-unsavory-ukrainian-all...
They are neo progressives. I don't think we have had a conservative since George Washington. And he didn't want to be President.
Obama in his dress blues ...http://i.imgur.com/tNyvu5y.jpg
Obama in his dress blues ...http://i.imgur.com/tNyvu5y.jpg
And what a hoot if the vile Ms. Jewland is in fact a russian asset? Not to mention the frightening General Strangelove...Think about it: Putin has gotten more 'ganas' out of this absurd assault on the integrity of Russia's east european sphere than anything else to date. Additionally, Ms. Jewland's background is highly suspect: fluent in russian, family are recent immmigrants from Bessarabia. She might as well wear a fucking sandwich board on the sidewalk ouside of Langley.....Not to mention the trotskyite origins of the american neocon movement....
Toilet paper in Russia
Sanctions make it only single ply.
"Obama-Paper...When you just want to spread some shit around."
Iraqi Special Forces said they have arrested several ISIL’s foreign military advisors, including American, Israeli and Arab nationals in an operation in Mosul in the Northern parts of the country.
The Iraqi forces said they have retrieved four foreign passports, including those that belonged to American and Israeli nationals and one that belonged to the national of a Persian Gulf Cooperation Council (PGCC) member-state, from ISIL’s military advisors.
The foreign advisors were arrested in a military operation in Tal Abta desert near Mosul city.
Last year, a senior aide to Russian President Vladimir Putin accused Mossad of training ISIL terrorists operating in Iraq and Syria.
Alexander Prokhanov said that Mossad is also likely to have transferred some of its spying experiences to the ISIL leadership, adding that Israel’s military advisors could be assisting the Takfiri terrorists.
Prokhanov said ISIL is a byproduct of US policies in the Middle East.
ISIL is a tool at the hands of the United States. They tell the Europeans that if we (the Americans) do not intervene, ISIL will cause you harm,” he said, adding that Iran and Russia are the prime targets of the ISIL.
http://thesaker.is/iraq-arrests-isils-us-israeli-military-advisors-in-mo...
Germany is at risk of receiving some Nukes . The traitor Merkel should have opposed the coup' d'etat in Kiev , now thing are getting out of hands and Germany could be too close for confort to the frontline . the neocons are skating on thin ice sending troops to Ukraine , that would be the escuse for Novorussian troops to go to Kiev ......... If they go there , things could get very interesting .....possible use of tanks to demolish the USA embassy by cannon fire ........or even better , capture the USA ambassador and the CIA criminals and line them up against the wall ...... no trial is necessary .
While promoting war with Russia, dear leader is disarming Americans. Care to guess why?
It's interesting that even on alternative media sites like ZH, the articles can't use plain English. For Example:
Breedlove, though, repeatedly lied.
Tried to upvote you but your green triangle's out of order.
http://www.theautomaticearth.com/2015/03/europe-the-morally-bankrupt-union/ Europe, The Morally Bankrupt Union
http://www.darkmoon.me/2015/germany-plans-to-put-bush-and-cheney-on-tria...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-WfqdcnjvlA
He's a POS, And will write a POS book. Not on the book list. And I hope neither are you. Just ignore.