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Why Westerners Are Flocking To Al Qaeda And ISIS: The Documentary
On the fourth anniversary of the Syrian War, Al Jazeera is out with a new documentary that explores why young, Western Muslims feel increasingly compelled to join the fight and also looks at the ideological divide between al-Qaeda’s Syrian arm, al-Nusra and ISIS. For those interested in a first-hand account from those on the ground, the full video is below, along with commentary from the filmmaker, Nagieb Khaja.
Via Al Jazeera:
In May 2014, I met a group of foreign fighters in northern Syria who introduced me to members of Jabhat al-Nusra, the local al-Qaeda franchise. I immediately began to negotiate access to film with them. Nusra is one of the most powerful, and certainly the most secretive rebel group in Syria. It shares its roots with ISIL.
Key members of both groups fought in the brutal Iraqi insurgency of the 2000's, and ISIL and Nusra were initially close allies, fighting under the al-Qaeda banner. But then in mid-2013, a violent conflict over territory and ideology erupted between the two groups. This local dispute has huge implications for global security, with different jihadist groups around the world pledging allegiance either to al-Qaeda or ISIL. The footage I shot with Nusra provides a fascinating insight into al-Qaeda's vision for the future of Syria, and its strategy for beating ISIL in the battle for hearts and minds in the region and beyond…
Some analysts believe that Jabhat al-Nusra and ISIL are essentially the same, but my experience on the ground, and my conversations with Nusra members, from foot-soldiers to those in leadership positions, convinced me that there are profound differences between them. Both ISIL and Nusra subscribe to a fundamental version of Islamic law, but it is in the interpretation and implementation that they vary…
When the US began targeting ISIL with airstrikes in September 2014 they also hit Nusra units. The US denied attacking Jabhat al-Nusra, however, claiming they had only hit the so-called Khorasan Group - an al-Qaeda cell which the White House alleged was dedicated to planning attacks on US soil. Abu Sulayman refused to comment on this, however, citing security reasons.
Whatever the truth about the Khorasan Group, immediately after the strikes, Nusra moved against the US' last remaining allies in region - two relatively secular rebel groups which the US has armed and trained, the Syrian Revolutionary Front and Harakat Hazm. The Syrian Revolutionary Front was quickly defeated and expelled from Syria, and just a few days ago Nusra declared victory over Harakat Hazm, taking over their territory and seizing their US supplied weapons.
It is yet another setback for US strategy in the region. Nusra have further consolidated their hold over northwest Syria, and plan to be there for the long-term.
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Don't fucking come back please.
Because they are brainwashed...they dont realize it isnt real.
Well it is real, they probably just dont know who is paying the bill.
The entire world is tired of the parasitic Israelis.
"...Why Westerners Are Flocking To Al Qaeda And ISIS:..."
Because that's who gets the best weapons air-delivered on demand and and that's where the best advisors are training!
Iraq Arrests ISIL's US, Israeli Military Advisors in Mosul
It's from Fars News Agency, so take it with a grain of salt. But wouldn't that be a bitch if it was true? How the hell would the U.S. explain that one?
thanks
love your comments
ps. 'a grain of salt is surely tiny, as is a seed of mustard, but their is always a grain of truth hidden in the weeds?'
The enemy of my enemy is my friend or my enemy, or my friend my friend which makes him the enemy of my enemy, or maybe the friend of my enemy, or the enemy of my friends' friend, which makes him........wait, let's start over, where were we???
Are you confused? Me too.
But that was the whole purpose.
The EU considers the US propanda on Russia absurd. So I repeat line 1 above and let you figure it out.
Then add Ukraine into the mix, then Syria, then Iran.
It's unfigurable - but whatever BS comes out of DC, I take the 180 degree look.
Sure makes gambling in the casino difficult in this Alice in Wonderland fantacy
But I repeat line 2 & 3.
PLEASE, get real. Besides a few morons, those so-called "Western Muslims" are no Westerners/Europeans at all, but Arabs or Turks. Just because they were born in Europe doesn´t make them Europeans. Islam is a culture that is fundamentally different and opposed to European culture. Those guys just return home to the territories they belong to in the first place. Just let them go and make sure they never come back.
I stay away from the media, because it's all Jewish propaganda. But just for fun, once a month I hit up Google News. Sure enough, right at the top of the page is the same old main stream media Jewish garbage propaganda about isis or al queda or Afghanistan rebels OR SOME FUCKING HATE CRIME IS BEING SPEILED OUT BY THE JEWS.
Its a jobby job
They're undercover operatives, duh. There's a state-approved explanation for everything.
Bullshit. IF they had them they would parade them out for all to see.
I will take 15 million highly productive, creative, intelligent Jews over 1.5 billion sloven, slothful, ignorant mussies any day. The world would be a far better place without the latter.
Red Shirts needed, good benefits [40 virgins]
I await the grand battle (announced months ahead of time) to "retake" Mosul, as if the Sunnis want to be back under Shit/Iranian rule. Massive civilian casualties and the destruction of Iraq's second largest city, all for freedom. What a disaster and the blood is on "our" hands.
They need jobs?
When I received the glossy ad flyer in the mail promising a new Toyota, an assault rifle and a cause as holy as driving out the infidel I have to admit I was tempted. When I realized that the Toyotas only come in white and that I'd have to share it, I politely but firmly declined.
"The idle mind is the devil's workshop," Sister Sasparella used to say. I think she's right.
That and midnight soccer to keep their minds off terrorism
It is not hard for me to understand why westerners are attracted to ISIS and to radical Islam--radical Islam is TRUE conservatism. I would LOVE to live in that world.
They keep their women in line.
Radical Islam keeps the corporations and their multiculturalism OUT.
Their cultural institutions rule the roost in radical Islam.
That is a TRUE MAN'S world.
Plus you get to wear a dress and screw camels whenever you want........
It's a man's world, baby, at least it is in Islam world.
But you are an american, and therefore you have been psychologically castrated. And you have envy the muslim for his testicles, which you no longer have. Testicle envy. That is why you will allow your neocon leaders to war eternal war on Islam and their testicles. Which you no longer have.
You should go, dude. Sounds like you'd be happier there.
you cannot even imagine what it would be like to have a mind free from corporate propaganda.
They own you.
Why do women need to be kept in line? Educate me.
I think that tough guy is afraid of you
besides, your not wearing a burka.
The muzzie women at my school walk around in burkas, while talking on cellphones, driving cars, out walking without men folk family members, yet the burka is a must have. Got to follow that ol' Koran though. Attention whore much?
I've never understood that concept. I spin around in random circles all day long while my man walks the straight and narrow. He never has expressed an interest I change. Personally, I think he finds it rather entertaining when he is not gazing skyward and sighing. Maybe cloaked in a black sheet and submissive is an acquired taste.
Miffed
Line dancing can be very square. I see what you mean.
Whirling dervishes get to wear white sheets. Nothing klannish though.
I have a student who wears a burka. She wears turquoise with magenta, and white polka dot leggings. And emerald green. She is considered quite rowdy!
Black sheet is bullsheet! Women do not need to be cowed. Though I could see where it would be a game of peek-a-boo all day long. You get to spy and fulfill all the stereotypes about women being conniving and scheming. Where there are relations of domination and subordination, there will be relations of resistance. Everytime. And the greater the need for the public display of subordination, the greater will be the level of covert resistance. Notice I did not say rebellion. Different animal.
I work with a persian woman who organizes a " remove your Burka" event in Tehran. She barely escaped there at 17. Last year I came to work and found her in tears. Apparently a woman was planning on doing the event again. When she did it last year she was beaten so severely over three days she was now wheelchair bound with palsy.
My friend turned to me with tear filled eyes horrified she was unable to deter her from participating again. " Why don't Americans have courage?" She asked me. I could find nothing to say to her. I was embarrassed at her frankness.
Miffed
Why do women need to be kept in line? Educate me.
Because when the 12 year old wife is pissy because you've been spending too much time with the 8 year old wife and the 2 10 year old wives are nagging at you because you didn't bring home the right flavor of tobac some sort of order needs to be maintained.
LOL! I'm dying.
Start by turning off your tv and read books or/and if you really think you will find happiness in hate-filled theocracy, do us all a favour and get the fuck out the West and go.
Staring at my hairy bubble gum right now.
Only wish we were rid of all of Islam (or really any religion).
Have fun!
FYI:
Americans have testes. Lots of em'. The problem is they blow that energy out yelling at Football, Basketball, and to a minor extent, Hockey teams. Those that don't vent via sports have about 999 cable channels to vent through. If you could pull a Rowdy Roddy Piper and simultaneously pull down all the broadcasts, there would be a fresh pile of ears come sunrise in D.C.
"testicles"
I'll give you a greenie just for coming out about your adoration of the male balls. Unless you are a woman in which case it's alright. Not that there is anything wrong with man on man action or man on goat/camel if you are a muzzie man. The PC stuff confuses me so if I offended any men, women, ruminants, single celled organisms, rocks, etc... Sorry. I'll enter rehab right away.
You just described black rappers and hip hop "artists"- especially keeping the bioches and whoes in line and they want no whitey culture interfering with their hood cultural institutions
TO SERVE MAN
It's a fucking cookbook you idiot.
From the makers of Quicken comes, CookedBooks.
Financial fraud is only one-click away!
I lived and worked in an area that was 75% mussie tho the country was not mussie overall. 75% of the mussie woman, single or married were willing to do the dirty with me. These woman were so lonely, so sad that it made me want to cry. Your women hate you and would do anything if they could get away from you and your dirty religion. Islam and adherents such as yourself are pathetic, not worthy of the love of a woman. Camels and goats are the best you could or will ever do.
For the U.S. tax payer funded high salaries great training, equipment and all the photo ops with John McCain?
Oh all most forgot and getting blown by Lindsay Graham
You win.... anything to keep the $1 trillion MIC alive while enriching yourself with all those votes! Hey look a Boogeyman! Give us $5 billion and we will eradicate it!
WTF?!?!? Dear Leader Obama "extended his hand." But they didn't "unclench their fists." Is Dear Leader really not all his worshipers say that he is?
Why does anyone join Al Qaeda and ISIS? For the same reason they join the Federal Reserve, the NSA, Congress, Goldman Sachs and the rest. All these groups hand out rewards large and small and in the process they serve the beast without fully realizing it.
'Westerners' are flocking to ISIS because western governments are fully supportive of ISIS, even if western media has (mostly) changed its tune in the last six months or so.
Is this really a surprise?
Just because someone is young and "Muslim" in the West (west of what, btw..) does not mean he/she is immediately exempt from being attracted to ideas supposedly non-Western..
hell, the CIA recruits from all over and there's no compass point to place it on, now is there?
stupid fucking bullshit this is.
divisive and stupid
WE COULD:
Stop whoring for Wall Street.
http://www.showrealhist.com/yTRIAL.html
http://patrick.net/?p=1223928
Why are camels called the Ships of the Desert?
Because they are full of Arab semen.
badump-bump, tssshhh
I have nothing against Islam as long as it leaves my country.
You know it's utter bullshit as soon as you see the word "flocking".
The girls are after "Jihadi John's" body; they got tired of Justin Beeper.
Pay their way outta here and don't let them come back if they work for US neocons.
lets see, they think the jews are behind everything and need to go, don't believe in fiat money but prefer gold, think America and its pals are always meddling in other countries for their own good and don't like mega corporations.
Seems to me that other than the pedophilia, goat sex, be headings and women so ugly they need to wear a potato sack that they are almost stereotypical ZH readers.
Maybe the recruits want to follow in that man of action - Mohammad's foot steps who was a swashbuckler (decapitator) from the beginning. Maybe they need more ritalin to counteract that puerile impulse to do something other than play video games. Obama was never proud to be an American like a JFK so why should young Westerners?
They should all go over there and then give me the big red button, I'll do it.
...too export the tolerance of Christianity as described by POTUS? http://www.breitbart.com/national-security/2015/03/07/syrian-christians-...
....to get their "ObamaTOW"? http://levantreport.com/2015/01/01/isis-is-now-deploying-us-supplied-tow...
...to increase their food stamp limits? http://www.ibtimes.com/un-deeply-concerned-over-reports-isis-stealing-re...
....Ukrainian Mail Order Brides are just too damned stubborn http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2984237/Creepy-ISIS-jihadi-groom...
...they know Peak Oil is here and they are scared of it http://english.alarabiya.net/en/business/energy/2015/01/31/ISIS-seizes-o...
....dude, i thought you said "Mardi Gras" not the "Great Madhi is here"! http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2014/June18/184.html
This video will get removed from youtube soon enough.
everything these young men said is true.
as a Jewish person..it pains me that I agree with these people.
I dont like them ,but I see where they're coming from and understand why they hate jews and israel
....dude, pull up your ball sack, man up, and go join the IDF. Otherwise, you may as well put a gun in your mouth now, fall asleep and hope you have a bad dream and twitch your hand and blow your brains out. Are you a soft serve American Jew Princess or what? Dude, if you are in the tribe at least standup for yourself cuz no one else is (Sure as shit not here that is fur sure).
I would have no problem putting all of the people in this video down in cold blood to defend myself. i do not hate them though.
im an objective/empiracal person, not a zionst.
but let me tell you, my friend.
all the anti-zionism that is on here is being tracked and the IDF/Mossad know who all of you are.
You are going to get slaughtered!
Do you down-vote comments that speak poorly of your religion?
I know it is not right to condemn a people based on the actions of a few.
If I were to hold myself to my own standard, every single American who is sitting on a couch at 7pm is guilty of facilitating world-wide imperialism. I have to wonder how quickly things would change if just a few million people shut off the TV and demand change, every single night, until it happens. Real change in policy, and not pocket change.
im an atheist, i dont view it from a religous stance..more of an ethnic one
i do not down vote anything here unless its obvious shilling and i certainly dont get offended.
i welcome the truth and do everything in my power to seek it
Not a blade of grass moves without the will of God. Of course. Hare Krishna.
ISIS is a Western creation.
Stop the funding of it.
This is simply an observation. Why are we called "Westerners"? From a logical standpoint you would think that there would be "Easterners, Southerners and Northerners." I object to being classified that way. I am not a "Westerner". It is pretty loose on calling me a Merican. They can keep their labels and go fuck themselves. I do not want to be associated with the idiots that think they run the place. They can go fuck themselves. If I am anything it is that I am an asshole.
To anybody here who thinks propaganda only goes one way: you're fucking naive.
This reminds me of the movie Four Lions.
Not the greatest movie, but certaily good for a few laughs. It is a little dry in the center, but picks up speed near the end. Overall an enjoyable escape.