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Caught On Tape: Greek Student Confronts Dijsselbloem, "Loan Sharking"
Following a speech at Delft University in Holland, Eurogrpup head Jeroen Dijsselbloem was confronted by a calmly-spoken, rational-thinking Greek student, who explained the misery and insanity of what the EU is doing to Greece... "1000s of Greek have committed suicide because of your policies... you keep on giving loans to Greece to pay back the same loans... its like going one loan shark to another loan shark to get more loans to pay back another loan shark."
“You continue to give loans to Greece to pay other loans. You know the situation very well. For the last five years you promote austerity here and in Holland. […] And at the same time, you allow the press to claim that every Dutchman has given 700 euros directly to the Greeks through the bailout packages, ” said the student
Dijsselbloem replied that “Brussels is not responsible for the problems of Greece, the responsibility is up to the society and the Greek government. Europe is trying to help,” and added: “You blame us. In Greece there was a corruption problem before the crisis. If the new government wants to fight tax evasion I will support it.”
Full clip below...
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The re-enactment of the infamous Varoufakis handshake...
and while we are on the topic of the Greek FinMin, we have one question... is there a Plan B or not?
What a difference 3 weeks makes.
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Many successful businesses in America are owned and operated by Greeks.
Let them buy the old country, and manage it properly.
LOL, the greek oligrachs managed it to death.
Monitors are landscape. Maybe hold your phone similar. Just a suggestion.
The whole cell-phone landscape vs. portriat mode is a modern example of cognitive dissonance where the phone tells the person which way is right (portrait mode), but the monitor disagrees (landscape mode). Many people do not know how to process this in their minds because if they caputre the video in landacape mode their phone screams out that what they are doing is wrong (phones hate landscape mode), when in fact the human is correct (humans hate portriat mode) but the phone is wrong.
That aside, I enjoyed the "handshake" moment at the end.
Yes, mobile phone cameras should have landscape as default, even when holding the phone upright in portait.
p.s. I wonder if Jeroen's handshake is that secretive Freemasons handshake.
As much as I dislike Jeroen and his socialist Keynesian buddies, I have to agree to a large extend to what he says. It's the corrupt Greek society that created many of it's own problems.
However, as Jeroen also admitted, Greece has a LONG history of corruption, nepotism and inefficiency, so my two questions to that 'template' scumbag is: JEROEN, YOU LYING SOCIALIST FUCK, WHY THE FUCK DID 'WE' (read: EU politicians, because the European people were never consulted) LET THE GREEKS INTO THE EU AND EURO IN THE FIRST PLACE, and second, WHY THE FUCK DID 'WE' (i.e. bonus loving banksters that always will be bailed out by the taxpayers and corrupt EU politicians!) LEND THEM SO MUCH FUCKING MONEY?!?
There you have it.
Good point, the corrupt EU Politicians like JERON have been brokering deals between banks and nations, to hand over well collateralized resource rich drug soveriegns/addicts (a la Greece) to well funded banks (Drug Dealers money changer scum), well funded by free/fraudulent Central Bank printed money enabled by said corrupt politicians. It's really a very sophisticated and stealthy political fascist takeover worse to Adolph Hitler. The people behind these soveriegn takeovers should be hung in the streets. I swear to God its only the fact that these crimes are so hard for the average dumbed down fuck to work out that there isn't revolutionary blood flowing through the streets across the EU and parts of the US.
Listen to this interview, Greece was "allowed" in because the EU was worried that if Greece did not go into the EU fold, it would turn towards the East.
Afterall Greece was nearly communist after WW2 until there was a military coup.
Very interesting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_rgtKzKrPw
The #1 problem Greece is Debt Money Tyranny. They borrow money from a private international banking cartel at interest. If they borrow $20 billion @ 5%, they owe $21 billion in a year's time and the banks control the $1 billion needed to pay the loan. When the government can't pay the banks, the banks get paid with bailout monery and other governments are put on the hook for the debt - erssentially raiding German pension funds to make sure the Banksters get paid.
Common people are ignorant fools for allowing this to happen right under their noses.
Bankster shills talking about corrupt governments is really rich since government corruption is mostly at the behest of the criminal supra-national banking cartel!
Smile and nod DJB. Your Masters well pleased. You will be aptly rewarded for your service.
Reminds me when Maddie Albrecht blithely determined half a million dead Iraqi children were acceptable collateral damage.
Liars, every single one of them...
This guy looks like obama:http://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/gallery/2012/sep/13/punk-graphic...
Half the animals in a zoo's primate exhibit look like Obie.
? Eddie Arcero? from the Santa Anita in my past.
Taxes are a policy measure to inflict pain upon the non-ordained outside of the ordinance hierarchy within a controlled economy. Governments do not fund their operations via taxes in a central-bank-fiat-currency-issuance-monopoly scenario. The Government spends as much as physical resource i.e. REAL RESOURCE constraints dictate they can possible spend and the currency is provided by the central bank. All propaganda that is designed for "class" warfare will promote the deception that taxes fund Government. They do not. Taxes are push-down measure to addle the prosperous, to force them to behave in any manner that fulfills the calculations of the central planners.
This is what happens when you do not have sound currency, when you have a pirate-parasite-financialized economy rather than one based on value-add-by-labor-fulfilling-real-demand.
But what's the plan for the day after?
After you kill a banker, I guess you bury him.
Only after you've put a stake through his fucking heart.
It's the only way to be sure.
classic...
thanks for that.
Through his what?
Touché
CE, banker/heart is a bit of an oxymoron...doancha think?
What a waste of a really cool name!
Collection agencies now? LOL
the bankers wont be happy until many greeks are dead. if they put me in a corner i would not be going alone. im certain i didnt invent this idea. if my life is cheap, yours will be, too.
Bankers, like drug dealers don't care if you are dead. You are easily replaced by another addict. Their happiness is not about death, but of control, power. Death of serfs is just a side effect to them.
But that again is the symptom. It originates with progressive government. Government endorses, creates and regulates these banks. It is government that wants that power over you and I. Banking is just a means to and end, a way to achieve that goal.
With all due respect I think that banking is not merely a means to the end of government control. Rather governments worldwide are instruments of the international banks and their funding arms, the multinational corporations. Governments are merely those instruments that can use force if necessary to ensure banker domination.
When bankers have found a government no longer useful they have not hesitated to tear it down. Witness JP Morgan's bribing of Obama and his acolytes, George Soros stopping Britain from entering the Euro, and (historically) the Spanish empire being ruined through its borrowing from Genoese banks to finance European wars. As you correctly identify, they don't care for people, but they don't care for the institutions of government either: they richly reward those who work to tear them down.
One has to conclude that humans on the planet are mostly unconscience because we allow this fiat insanity/slavery to contnue without hardly a peep.
It's a sanctioned Ponzi scheme. The only beneficaries are German Industrialists, Bankers, and Hedgefunds.The losers are European Taxpayers. The Geeks are not blameless. They have indulged themselves with welfare largesse at the expense of reality. There's no free lunch -- at least not anymore. What needs to happen now, is for the Greek Government to take a trip to Iceland, and see how it's done. At stake is their their very freedom -- Serfdom or Democracy.
True indeed. Greece should issue a Drachma along the model of Lincoln's greenback currency, free of debt, created by an independent agency of government, and spent into circulation as part of the budget. In order to allow trade with the rest of the world, the currency should be convertible, one-for-one, with the Euro for all legitimate trade needs. Within ten years Greece will be prosperous and a model for how the world can break free of debt-backed banker currency and the debt slavery it brings.
Within ten years Greece would be smoldering ruins due to another spring.
Dijsselbloem actually andled himself far better than I would have expected. Most of his ilk would have ignored or dismissed the young man with an arrogant wave of a hand.
Yes +1 for the serfs, +18,000,000,000,000 for the kleptocrats.
Progress!
c what i mean...fucking Greeks just dont get it...
words r a waste of fucking time...
he had the opportunity to kick that mother fucker in his balls but instead once again resorted to "please oh please Mr. Banker owned bitch - stop hurting us....!"
waste of fucking time...
DEATH TO THE MONEYCHANGERS.
"You keep on giving loans to Greece to pay back the same loans"
Well then stop taking the damn loans!
Seriously. There seem to be lot of narcissist aye-hole types who believe that they should VOLUNTARILY take out loans (nobody is forcing them), VOLUNTARILY promising to pay said loans back, then not bother paying them back. Is the problem that they are stupid - they don't understand what a loan is - or that they are morally bankrupt liars?
If you don't want to pay the loan back don't take out the loan.
If your socialist/fascist government has made life impossible without taking out loans then revolt against the government. But don't take out loans that you refuse to pay back.
Money can only enter into circulation as a debt from a private bank, or when a central bank buys bank debt on the secondary market and replaces it with currency. The only money that originates debt-free are coins which constitute such a miniscule part of the money supply that they are barely worth mentioning. In order to pay interest on the private bank money we must borrow yet more private bank money; the banks themselves are only restricted in what they can lend out (create) by their ability to settle debts between themselves in currency.
Currency (still backed by debt) has never constituted less than 7.5% of the American money supply, and although at that relatively low level banks failed in 2007 due to lack of currency, that was due to their own stupidity and hubris regarding derivatives and inter-bank debts. Now with QE currency constitutes 35% of the money supply, meaning that banks can basically create money without limit. In fact, that was the goal of quantitative easing.
Interesting writeup on currency vs money but it has nothing to do with people taking personal loans in order to spend irresponsibly.
Creepy:
Really20's point has everything to do with it!
My reply below outlines the deeper issues, which you and your ilk are deliberately ignoring, because you are primarily interested in feeling morally superior, rather than understanding the bigger picture, that THE FISH ROTS FROM THE HEAD!
Creepy Arse Crack...the situation has already devolved well past your 'well don't take the loan' synopsis. Whether right if wrong...the current oppressive situation exists.
You can't uncooked an omelette.
And this is just as the usury-inflicting money-changers intended.
William S Burroughs — 'in the magical universe there are no coincidences and there are no accidents. nothing happens unless someone wills it to happen'
The Greeks are victims to be sure. Fucking stupid victims, but victims none-the-less. And their stupidity does not lessen the crime of their assailants.
The world is full of such mindless peasants.
Yes .. like USSA has revolted against some of the worst crooks and corruption in human history ..Greek oligarchs took the money . kept the money .. and are still living large on that money mostly outside Greece.. with protection of the bankster technocrats... .. its easy for people to sit on Mt. High Horse and tell the peasants what to do .. when the peasants are starving .. .. sooner or later they will fight back .. because they will have nothing left to lose and the political parties will have all been shown for what they are .. incompetent and corrupt. SAME AS IN US.
sessinpo, in a MAD Money As Debt system, the ONLY "money" that exists must be based on debts. To have no more debts is to have no more money. Although the vast majority of people do NOT want to understand it, money is measurement backed by murder. A lot of individuals understand things from their superficial situation, that they can personally try to avoid debts, however, a society as a whole within MAD Money As Debt systems can NOT avoid debts, without destroying its public "money" supply.
The international banksters dominate the global monetary system because they were the best organized gangs of criminals, that were persistently able to apply the methods of organized crime through the political processes, in order to effectively control the biggest form of organized crime, which is governments. Thereby, the banksters were effectively able to privatize the power of governments to rob and to kill to back that robbery up, in the form of taxation and enforcement of rule of law regarding taxation, so that fiat "money" made out out nothing as debts was enforced as the legal tender, so that everyone was forced to operate INSIDE ENFORCED FRAUDS.
The Greek government is stuck INSIDE of the situation that the debt slavery systems have generated numbers which have become debt insanities, which are provoking death insanities. Since the vast majority of people do not want to face the basic facts that the debt controls are backed by death controls, the new Greek government is merely another group of reactionary revolutionaries, struggling to stay INSIDE of the established systems.
Calling the banksters "loan sharks" is an insult to sharks, which were one of the most successful life forms in the ocean for a long, long time. The banksters have degenerated from being the top predators into being parasites that are killing off their host. However, since their hosts are societies overflowing with mainstream morons, that act like incompetent political idiots, or Zombie Sheeple, there are no ways to go through enough of a series of intellectual scientific revolutions, which would be necessary to develop better understanding of the death controls, that back up the debt controls, so that there could develop better combined money/murder systems ... Instead, we are on the path from debt insanities to death insanities ... while we have not seen anything yet in that regard ...
The "solution" that you propose, sessinpo, is typically what lots of other Black Sheeple recommend to the Zombie Sheeple, regarding how to resolve the problems, which recommendations are profoundly ignorant of the deeper nature of those problems.
There is almost nothing but organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition groups. The new government of Greece was another kind of controlled opposition group. At the present time, and for the foreseeable future, there could not be any other practically possible government, because not enough Greeks would be able and willing to face the facts regarding how the political economy fits inside of the human ecology. The only way to have better government is to have better organized crime, because that is the only basis upon which to realistically deal with the banksters, which are the best organized gangsters, that have dominated Greece, as well as the deeper levels of chronic political problems, which are inherent in the nature of life.
Meanwhile, I sympathize with that "1000s of Greek have committed suicide." The established MAD Money As Debt system is almost inconceivably crazy and corrupt. The society that system dominates is terminally sick and insane. For most individuals, there are NO good solutions to their problems which are practically possible. The devolution of debt slavery into debt insanities, into death insanities is why "1000s of Greek have committed suicide."
While a few individuals might be able to appear like they have personally gotten out of debt (while the pyramidion people are the bond holders that benefit from indebtedness), as a whole it is NOT possible to Greece to get out of debt, because then they would have no more "money," and no more way to participate in the globalized economy.
Overall, the human species as a whole is preparing to commit collective suicide, due to the ways that civilization is controlled by integrated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, wherein there is practically nothing but controlled opposition groups to apparently resist that core of organized crime. While the Greek student's statements above were a correct summary of the debt insanity situation, there is nothing presented in that level of analysis which could respond to the deeper problem that the only way to change the debt controls is to change the death controls that back them up.
We ARE headed towards that happening, but by going through times of Peak Insanities, as the psychotic breakdowns of systems based on enforcing frauds, which are reaching the limits of their abilities to enforce those frauds never having been able to stop those frauds from still being fundamentally false. However, while more and more people may be perceiving how blatantly absurd the debt insanities have become, there is still practically no public awareness of why it would take better death controls to back up better debt controls.
Indeed, without such radical truths, then no government is able to do anything but continue to promote slightly different brands of the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories, which is what the new government of Greece is still doing. "Loan Sharks" can not operate without their loans being enforced. However, the lower levels of such Loan Sharks are relatively trivial compared to the international banksters, which are collectively a group of trillionaire mass murderers.
Greece is merely one of the leading edges of the Western World's debt slavery systems generating numbers which have become debt insanities. There are NO solutions within the established systems. The Greek economy as whole would be committing suicide to "stop taking the damn loans!" However, of course, to continue to take out loans to pay back previous loans simply drives the basic debt insanity situations to get WORSE!
There are NO genuinely better resolutions to these problems that can exist outside of the basic ways that money is measurement backed by murder. Any Greek government that dealt with its real problems effectively would have to face that multifaceted fact. However, NEITHER the ruling classes, NOR those they rule over, want to face that fact. The established systems of enforced frauds require that society as a whole maintain the maximum possible attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards itself ... which makes more radical truths be as unpopular as possible!
Radical Ganja...that's some sharp shooting there fella. More power to you.
Now pass the bong...it's not a microphone ;)
"...money is measurement backed by murder."
Not bad; close but I don't think that's quite accurate. How about "Money is debt backed by violence" instead?
Given the currently dominant monetary system, your definition is essentially correct, EE. However, I continue to regard my alliterative summary as the best overall succinct summary which covers ALL of the social facts related to money. E.g., any form of money backed by some commodity or commodities is then the measurement of those commodities, backed by murder.
Furthermore, my articulation of that definition takes into consideration the fundamentals that human realities are always organized lies operating robberies, because human realities are always operating as entropic pumps of energy flow. What I am saying can be traced back through the basic concepts of general energy systems, as well as how human beings live by building a mental model of their world, with a mental model of themselves within their mental model of themselves. While such models are basically dreaming with data, the feedback of that data, especially regarding whether the model assists sufficiently with surviving, results in those symbolic measurements being given more meaning by being enforced. The ultimate form of enforcement is killing, as the most extreme form of robbery.
My distillation of my definition of the word "money" has been developing for a long time, which I have recorded in this forum thread: Some Monetary System articles.
Of course, after one recognizes that human realities are always organized lies operating robberies, the paradox follows that those who deliberately deny and ignore those radical truths were the most socially successful. The great irony with respect to appreciating more radical truths about the nature of money is that those tend to NOT facilitate and enable operating those systems of organized lies, operating robberies, in socially successful ways, since their degree of social success is based on being able to trick and fool themselves and others. In a tragic sense, more radical truth about the nature of money does NOT provide actionable intelligence, except in the same oxymoronic ways that success in warfare was based on deceits and treacheries, while success in finance was based on enforcing frauds.
Generally, people do NOT want to know that money is measurement backed by murder. Those who are making "money" within that system want to believe in bullshit about that "money." With understandable irony, those who make the most "money" within the established systems are the best professional liars and immaculate hypocrites regarding what they are actually doing.
The history of successful war based on backing up deceits with destruction, and then successful finance based on enforcing frauds makes good sense, as manifestation of human civilization as energy systems, which apply the principles and methods of organized crime, and thereby, surround themselves with controlled opposition groups that stay within the same basically deceitful and fraudulent frame of reference.
Since people are most socially successful by being liars and robbers, or in the case of the banksters, having governments enforce their frauds, there are no politically practical ways for more radical truth to provide any good actionable intelligence, in order to make more "money" within the established systems. Therefore, overall, our society has become terminally sick and insane, since social successes are paradoxically based on being able to be back up dishonesty with violence, which, of course, also being so regarding attitudes to how the political economy actually works.
Human realities must necessarily be organized systems of lies, operating robberies, in which context, money is necessarily measurements backed by murders. However, those who do that in the most socially successful ways tend to get away with the greatest attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards more radical truths about what they are doing. Moreover, since those people then command control of natural resources, inside of systems where private property is based on backing up claims with coercions, everything that everyone wants or needs operates inside of fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems, where the sublime paradoxes manifest that people exercise and enjoy proportional social successes within those systems by lying about what they are really doing. Moreover, since the most wealthy people inside of those systems control things that other people also want or need, there is a constantly repeating pattern that people are rewarded for agreeing with bullshit, while they are punished for not agreeing with bullshit.
Overall, the result is that civilization dominated by entrenched systems of enforced frauds automatically becomes more and more psychotically insane. People make "money" inside of the necessarily existing systems of organized lies operating robberies, in proportion to the degree that they can deliberately ignore or deny that. Money must exist because measurement and murder must exist. However, both are drowning in their own bullshit, with no end in sight to how much worse that is going to get, since what provides good actionable intelligence within the established monetary systems always operates through being able to enforce frauds, while pretending that those are somehow not enforced frauds.
At the present time, I see no way out of the cultural cul de sac that socially successful people tend to be liars and hypocrites. In my view, we are doomed to drive ourselves towards committing collective suicide, because not only do the runaway systems of enforced frauds drive irreconcilable social polarization, more importantly, fundamentally fraudulent financial accounting systems facilitate the irreparable destruction of the natural world.
NOTE, I am not suggesting that we should, or even could, stop money being measurement backed by murder. Rather, I am recommending that we ought to develop better dynamic equilibria between the different systems of organized lies operating robberies. However, one of the appropriately consistent levels of more radical truths is that the people who are most socially successful are liars and hypocrites, and thus, there is almost nothing but organized crime surrounded by controlled opposition groups, all of which promote basically similar sorts of bullshit, and none of which want to face any more radical truths.
Banksters are the biggest gangsters, who are extremely wealthy and powerful because of their previous degree of success at operating inside systems of enforced frauds, which levels of power and influence continues to provide them with every possible social and political advantage within the established systems. Therefore, they do NOT want to face any of the facts about what they are really doing, while it also tends to be that the people who they are paying, such as the economists who act as their intellectual mercenaries, do not want to face any of the more radical truths about what they were really doing either.
It is quite the extreme paradox that understanding how and why money is measurement backed by murder also provides an understanding of how and why the vast majority of people do not want to understand that! Hence, the eventual resolutions of the profound problems (that being able to enforce frauds never stops those frauds from being false) is for that to eventually cause society as a whole to go through some series of psychotic breakdowns ... However, even then, most people will probably continue to not want to understand those processes.
Discovering and demonstrating more radical truths about human realities is sublimely paradoxical, due to the ways that one can also thereby appreciate that the vast majority of people, and especially the ruling classes, do NOT want to face the facts about those more radical truths. At the present time, I believe that we will run out of time for better paradigm shifts, before those are enabled to sufficiently transpire. Hence, I believe that the human species is more probably going to commit collective suicide, rather than go through the severe cognitive dissonance it would take for enough human beings to understand deeper levels of human realities being organized lies operating robberies.
So far, the prodigious progress in physical sciences has nothing like that to be found in political science, because neither the ruling classes, nor those they rule over want to understand that they are necessarily living as systems of organized lies and robberies. Instead, the more socially successful people are those who are the best at being professional hypocrites about that, which was the way that we ended up with globalized systems of electronic monkey money frauds, backed up with the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs.
The intellectual scientific revolutions which are necessary to better understand that money is measurement backed by murder are things that the vast majority of people, and especially the ruling classes, do NOT want to be better understood. More radical truths about human realities continues to be the most unpopular, and therefore, most socially unsuccessful, strategies. The biggest bullies promote their kind of bullshit, because it works, inside of the social systems of lies backed by violence, while those they ruled over adapted to live inside of that context. None of them want to face more radical truths about themselves.
I'd have told the student his parents generation is at fault. They didn't pay their taxes and they lived beyond their means.
They did,nt pay their tribute/extortion er sorry taxes to bankers politicians military etc. Maybe they are not mentally enslaved muppets and consider their sweat equity to be their own ?
It's just regular part of the very dark, $ based, WW enslaving system. No nationalism, no religion, no spiritual life. Simply working like a modern slave and paying heavy taxes to the dark NY/London money mobsters and their dark allies.
15% of all annual economic output in the US goes into interest on banker currency, while an additional 5% go into dividends on corporate stock. Another couple percent go into share buybacks, inflating the value of the capital markets to put them out of reach for most people who live outside the casino economy. In total over 20% of our GDP goes to paying the bankers the costs of our own slavery. In 2007 the figure reached a high of 37%: expect similar values to be reached once the Fed raises rates.
Meh...43% of tax revenue in Japan goes towards interest payments on national debt and something like 100% of the BoJ debt issued is purchased by the state.
that'll end well.
So if I understand correctly, Dijsselbloem admitted that the Troika knowingly loaned money to corrupt governments. Why should such loans be paid back by the Greek people? A corrupt government is an illegitimate government and as such does not represent the Greek people. This point needs to really be hammered home more.
Please turn off your light. It is too bright!
To repudiate odious debts takes being able to resist those Loan Sharks' goons, and other enforcement techniques. Given that the banksters have been successfully applying the methods of organized crime to the political processes for a very long time, that is extremely difficult to imagine being practically possible.
All they have to do is admit the principle on loans to any government will never be paid back and then it will all make perfect sense.
"Blame the supplier". Worked for the War On Drugs(TM) (which is nearing its 5th decade). Funny how so many commenters on a supposedly pro-free-market website conveniently forget that one of the eternal truths of real economics is that, until a commodity or asset is physically extinct and gone, there will always be supply so long as there is demand. Just more (self-proclaimed) helpless victims - remember how valiantly they fought accession to the EMU, and how bravely they resisted the establishment of a welfare state, and how nobly they rejected all the (elected government's) promises of free shit? Oops. Now the bill has come due, the beggar refuses to default and declare bankruptcy. Somehow none of this is the fault of the supposedly intelligent, (ethically and politcally) responsible, concerned electorate, who just happen to have been the major beneficiaries of all this (now) allegedly "onerous" debt they were only too happy to take on a few short years ago.
"Nothing is my fault, ever."
If you grow up within a system where your schools and mass media brainwash you to believe in bullshit your whole life, and there is practically no other source of information that was ever available to you, then, in what ways were those kinds of ignorance your fault?
P.S.
"Blame the supplier".
Worked for the War On Drugs(TM)
Again, I ask, who is going to provide better organized crime to resist governments which are the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals?
The War On Drugs(TM) was fantastically successful in enabling organized crime to flourish ... The ONLY way to have better government is to have better organized crime. Consider how difficult and dangerous that really is, before blaming people who were born, lived, and died, for generation after generation, INSIDE systems of organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition groups, operating through debt slavery backed by wars based on deceits.
It is cruel joke to assert that the electorate was ever anything more than masses of muppets. They STILL are mostly Zombie Sheeple. Therefore, one expects that they will continue to get fleeced to exhaustion, and then slaughtered.
In a Casino Capitalist system the buyer is always adhering to the concept of 'caveat emptor' "buyer beware". Moreover, the Corporatists that helm the Ponzi do so knowing that the Global village understands the dictum of Wall Street in that Bears always eat, and Bulls always eat, but Pigs always get slaughtered. The same applies to the cohorts of serfs that use the concept of Free Will to avoid thinking about the responsibility they have to their own personal finances, and that of the state. Neocons and neolibs only need a modicum of 'plausible deniability' in order to justify sleeping at night without worrying about their own personal consciousness getting in the way. Predator Politicians count on plausible deniability as do Corporatists. In brief, the man on the Omnibus knows the game is rigged under the big tent of Corporatism proper. Asking Predator Politicians to be fair is analogous to asking Murder Inc. to take a haircut, or lighten up a bit.
Wall Street has NO consciousness, or conscience, Radical Marijuana.
Exactly what do Greeks get for being in the Euro again, or any country for that matter?
Nothing. It's all just the JWO's march towards total control.
“Gold is the currency of Kings.
Silver is the currency of Gentlemen.
Barter is the currency of Peasants.
Debt is the currency of Slaves.” -Norm Franz
A slave is somebody who waits for someone else to free them. Wake up Greece!!!!
Only little people pay taxes. Any culture that arbitrarily takes your earnings for whatever purpose is a thieving one. If, i come to a bridge and want to get across, i pay the ferryman for a service. Fine. I'd prefer not too pay for some un known asshole with an arcane endeavor--in fact i stopped doing so after having been "radicalised" by my allies at ZH.
In austerity-era communist Romania, the occasional naive soul honoured with a visit to his town by Nicolae Ceau?escu would try to pass a note to the Conducator, trying to inform him about what austerity was doing to normal people, not realizing that "He" knew exactly what was going on and simply didn't care.
"He" would pass the note to the Securitate at an appropriate time. Generally, the impudent prole quickly disappeared, never to be seen or heard from again.
who's at fault, the addict or the dealer?
Greece (the people) are not even addicted to the euros, none of the Euros that are being loaned out are going to the Greek people anyway . . . so if Greece stays in the Euro or leaves . . . the net effect on the population is pretty much the same.
The only people benefiting from continually bailing out the Greek Government is foreign banks and politicians.
These people are not dealing for better terms for the future of Greece, they are bargaining so they can keep their high paying govt job . . . because if they were forced to live under the economic conditions they are perpetrating on the Greek people through continuing the farce . . . they would be in a worse situation financially than most Greeks.
So you are stuck in a catch 22, the people in the Greek govt will continue to sell out the Greek people in order to keep living the high life. . . . the bankers abroad will keep proping up this defacto govt in order to keep the circle jerk loan mill "working". . . so they can keep laundering fake money to themselves . . . and the Greek people will not get any change until they go and "burn this bitch down" for a fresh start.
The proper course of action is for all Greek students to default on any student debt they have as a statement. . . . whats the point of even getting an education when your politicians and bankers have destroyed all prospects of career advancement, besides, nowadays you get a youtube education . . . you learn more in 20 minutes on youtube than you do in an entire fucking semester in a classroom.
Those who specialized in being dishonest and violent set the situation up, that the rest adapted to survive inside, or else they went extinct. Therefore, the "dealer," in the sense of organized crime, was first, while the "addicts" were those who survived by becoming controlled opposition within the established systems of organized crime.
If one looks at the source of the word "addict" one can trace that back to the language about debts. People who went so far into debt that they could not get out became "addicted."
"If history shows anything, it is that there’s no better way to justify relations founded on violence, to make such relations seem moral, than by reframing them in the language of debt — above all, because it immediately makes it seem that it’s the victim who’s doing something wrong."
-- David Graeber in his insightful book Debt: The First 5,000 Years, also put it this way (while admitting that his description is “a bit of a cartoon version”):
"Say a king wishes to support a standing army of fifty thousand men. Under ancient or medieval conditions, feeding such a force was an enormous problem – unless they were on the march, one would need to employ almost as many men and animals just to locate, acquire, and transport the necessary provisions. On the other hand, if one simply hands out coins to the soldiers and demands that every family in the kingdom was obliged to pay one of those coins back to you, one would, in one blow, turn one’s entire national economy into a vast machine for the provisioning of soldiers, since now every family, in order to get their hands on the coins, must find some way to contribute to the general effort to provide soldiers with things they want."
Human beings, and thus human civilizations, operate as entropic pumps of energy flows. The ultimate package deal is that ENERGY IS SPIRIT. The best and the worst is that human beings can not create energy out of nothing, nor destroy energy to nothing. However, human beings can perceive that in vastly different ways, using different languages. Our society is dominated by the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories, which have inverted everything as much as possible (including the basic concept of entropy).
The vast majority of people living today are those who survived inside of social slavery systems. That has been going on and on, so much, for so long, that is practically impossible to imagine them getting out of believing in bullshit, while wanting to continue to believe in bullshit. But nevertheless, the answer to your question, in my opinion, is that organized crime came first, and then, everything else in the structure of our civilization followed after that.
Easy peasey , the addict is responsible for his/her addiction, the dealer is providing an asked for service in the face of government(criminally enforced) prohibition. All the major drugs on the "Black market" today used to be cheaply and freely available at your local pharmacy in your great grandaddy,s day. Society did not fall apart
Follow-up question to Dijsselbloem:
So you're saying it's all the borrower's fault, and none at all by the lender?
No need to be polite - he represents the orange forces of usury I.E. Pure fascist evil.
Ps - we are witnessing capitalistic growth in Ireland ( almost all of the rise in demand is because of car sales) but continual declines in real end use purchasing power.
"1000s of Greek have committed suicide because of your policies..."
Something similar happened in 1990 ~
After the first euro depression of the 80s we witnessed a capital and labour dump they called growth.
Growth was of course a total disaster for the society.
Provision for depreciation (of previous capital goods overproduced) is currently estimated at 23 billion and interest on the national debt is running north of 10 billion......we were a small country a now a even smaller jurisdiction.
The model country of Europe has the pox
Euro type growth dynamics only introduces costs on society
The population act as conduits for the products of the connected super companies.
Very much like the florentine supecompaniessrr of themedevial era but obviously on a much grander scale.
Banks business model is based on the extraction of purchasing power.
That is all that they do.
The lack of "growth" in Europe is exposing this now very old business model.
I called Yanis V as a stooge of the banks.
I am afraid the rabbit hole goes very deep.
Only a awareness of Ch Douglas social credit writings can make the populace aware of the various bank extraction tactics.
http://hilobrow.com/2014/01/02/king-goshawk-1/
http://hilobrow.com/2014/01/02/king-goshawk-1/
That guy does not give a shit
Trying to help my arse. They are bunch of opportunists taking advantage of deprived people.
talking to a banker is a waste of time. talk time is over. the new government lied to the people and promised bigger pensions etc. so they are a fucking fraud. the people need to hear the truth , they are going to suffer but if they cut the cord now 2 to 3 years from now they will be free, freed of debt free of europe free of the whole fucking bullshit. will that happen, only if things get bad enough no body wants hard times but right now i would go with something that gives my grandkids a future of freedom not of being fucking debt slaves to the eu banks
The G-spot remains the focal point. It continues to be exciting...
The Troika, like Loan Sharks elude Fiduciary Responsibility. The loans were foisted upon the Greeks by deceptive measures, by Trojan agents in order to fleece them; not what responsible Banks do to their clients. A planned attack on their sovereignty.
The loans were an act of war. Default. Don't play their charade in recognizing the loans as legitimate.
At last a wise European
Thumps up to you
& cheers