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NATO's Not Enough! President Juncker Calls For Creation Of European Army To "React Credibly" To Russia

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No lessor official than European Commission President (and liar-when-it's-serious) Jean-Claude Juncker has called for the creation of an EU army... in order to show Russia "that [The EU is] serious about defending European values." Juncker explained an EU army would "help us fulfil Europe's responsibilities in the world," arguing that NATO was not enough since not all EU members are part of the alliance. As one stunned euro-skeptic exclaimed, "we have all seen the utter mess the EU has made of the economy, so how can we even think of trusting them with its defence."

 

The EU is divided on how to deal with an increasingly forthright Russia, but as The FT reports,

The president of the European Commission has called for the creation of an EU army in order to show Russia “that we are serious about defending European values”.

 

In an interview with German newspaper Die Welt, Jean-Claude Juncker, who leads the EU’s executive arm, said an EU army would let the continent “react credibly to threats to peace in a member state or a neighbour of the EU”.

 

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Mr Juncker said an EU army would “help us to develop a common foreign and security policy, and to fulfil Europe’s responsibilities in the world”. Nato was not a sufficient protection for the EU as not all EU members are part of the alliance, according to Mr Juncker.

 

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Some member states, including the Baltic countries of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, are calling for the bloc to take a much stricter line on its eastern neighbour. Large member states are also split over the idea of an EU army, with the proposals being cautiously welcomed by many senior German politicians but repeatedly dismissed outright by a succession of British governments.

The Brits are out...

British prime minister David Cameron - who argued against Juncker's appointment, claiming that Mr Juncker was too much of a federalist for the position - has repeatedly reassured eurosceptic MPs in his own party that Britain would “never support” any form of EU army.

 

Responding to Mr Juncker’s comments on Sunday, a government spokeswoman said: “Our position is crystal clear that defence is a national, not an EU responsibility and that there is no prospect of that position changing and no prospect of a European army.”

The Germans are in...

“I support Juncker in building an EU army, if it means the termination of all EU member states’ armies and is controlled by the European Parliament,” tweeted Jan Philipp Albrecht, a German Green MEP.

 

Furthermore, German Defense Minister von der Leyen went so far as to note, "I think what is most important, it shows up in Europe, 70 years after the Second World War - and 70 years ago we were mortal enemies - that today the peace in Europe, in the European Union stands on firm footing, and we Step by step, more and more firmly establish our alliances, especially in the security policy. This interweaving of armies with a view to provide also have a European army one day, in my opinion, is the future."

Well of course the Germans would prefer this as it is a move towards federalization. But we leave it to a euroskeptic to conclude...

Mike Hookem, a defence spokesman for the anti-EU UK Independence Party, said: “A European army would be a tragedy for the UK. We have all seen the utter mess the EU has made of the eurozone economy, so how can we even think of trusting them with this island’s defence.”

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Finally, one quick question - what happens to the 'unified EU army' if Greece gets kicked out (or decides to leave) the EU? Do the Greek 'conscripts' get to leave the looming battlefield with Russia?

 

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Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:22 | 5867526 Dre4dwolf
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All Russia has to do is start all its tanks, put them in drive, and point them in the direction of Europe, and nothing short of nuclear weapons would stop it.

Russia has no intention of invading Europe. . . it just wants a little slice of the edges . . . parts it used to have.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:33 | 5867556 cossack55
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Europe has values.  When the fuck did that happen?

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:38 | 5867559 jaap
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As a european I must say, Juncker, you are not talking on my behalf.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:38 | 5867564 SoilMyselfRotten
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Moar sanctions

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:41 | 5867572 kliguy38
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Yes MOAR that should save us from those Ruskies..........

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:43 | 5867582 pendragon
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the thing is it will. just a bit of patience required.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:50 | 5867597 SoilMyselfRotten
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And be an example by sendng your kids, ya prick

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:52 | 5867608 Pinto Currency
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This is the standard formula for these clown central planners.

First they mess up completely then they come up with the solution of "we need more consolidated power to prevent these screw ups from happening again."

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:54 | 5867613 Haus-Targaryen
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GHORDO!!!!

Explain to me why a customs union of peer states needs an Army.  

Then when you are done with that you can explain to me why it needs a parliment and an anothem too. 

FUCK the EU.  

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:13 | 5867658 piratepiet
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The EU is much more than a customs union, I thought that was obvious.

And as a European, I am in favour of a European army. 

Of course the USA  ( and the Brits ) will oppose it, they would lose power in such a scenario. 

 

 

 

 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:27 | 5867693 negative rates
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This is no longer kindergarden on a sunday buddy, it's real lifes consequences for real lifes actions. 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:35 | 5867710 piratepiet
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with all due respect, what is your point exactly ?

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:41 | 5867734 Self-enslavement
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The Jews are acting like their afraid of something. We know what they did. And what their doing. Be afraid Jews. Be very afraid.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:44 | 5867736 Anusocracy
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Anyone remotely human would for abolishing all militaries.

Of course, we do live on the Planet of the Subhumans.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:01 | 5867774 piratepiet
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funny that for your point to hold, it requires declaring the people of this earth subhuman.

Maybe something is wrong with your statement instead ? 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:29 | 5867827 Think for yourself
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The potential for humanity is a harmonious whole, where sensuality, emotions and intellect are integrated into the core Self of higher consciousness. Such an integral being directly perceives the nature of illusion and suffering, allowing for proper discernment to manifest through actions of wisdom, compassion and creativity.

 

The vast majority of humans do not realize this lotential, nay, they are repelled by it, due to factors both internal and external, momentary and transgenerational. Many do not even rise to the level of healthy (hence harmonious) animals.

 

Hence, subhuman.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:34 | 5867840 knukles
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The Belgian Army already has more barbers than infantrymen.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:39 | 5867856 TahoeBilly2012
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Eurotrash values? Debt ridden socialist nightmare. Maybe Putin should invade and impose Russia values like an 8% debt to GDP ratio.

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 04:57 | 5868727 winchester
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they have no balls to sink lampeduza boats coming to italy from lybia, making   hundreds thousand people per year to absorb, but they want to make an army .... ok but... with what fucking money you gonna pay em ?

 

world is out of cash ....

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 01:57 | 5868604 edotabin
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I've said many times in the past that we are not a properly evolved species. If you kick back and think what could be and compare it to what we have, you simply do not know whether to laugh or cry.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:31 | 5867831 Self-enslavement
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Those that belive that they're superior and "chosen" are seen as being genetically insane, subhuman, parasitic, etc. By the rest of the world. We look at you selfishites as if were looking into a fishbowl at you.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 20:31 | 5868077 Anusocracy
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So, exactly how human are the 98+% of the people that condone or practice killing, stealing, and enslaving like animals? I see little difference in behavior, only appearance, so they're still animals.

If 98+% of the people were human the world wouldn't be the shithole people have made it.

Therefore, I'd guess that you qualify to be a subhuman.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:50 | 5867753 piratepiet
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"We know what they did. "

What are you refering to ?

who is "we" ?

 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:35 | 5867845 Self-enslavement
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If you haven't already figured it out, I sure as hell am not going to waste my time trying to explain it to you. Hint: use a non-Google search engine or other non-Jewish source to look up Berln child prostitution, Weimar hyperinflation, good German people being starved to death in their own country as the Parasites enjoyed every decadence and deprivation known to man.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:59 | 5867772 pendragon
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try they're instead of their fuckwit

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:36 | 5867848 Self-enslavement
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Stick it up your ass, parasite.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:37 | 5867722 Shad_ow
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You planing tp enlist or send your son?

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:10 | 5867788 TeaClipper
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Dont expect the UK to fight for your European Army, we wont. We only ever signed up to a trade agreement in the 70s, not this shit. Putin can have Eastern Europe back, and its inhabitants, that way we might just get our country back here in the UK

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:27 | 5867824 Bay Area Guy
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To use a Nulandism.....fuck the EU. Let them form their army and get their collectives asses handed to them. But do NOT, under any circumstances come whining to the US to intervene. You clowns want to play soldier boys ( and girls), go right ahead.

But of course the fuckwits in the US would intervene. God, I wish we had leaders that actually looked out for us. I'm so sick of this shit. Fuck each and every one of these so called leaders, including Obama, Putin, Junkman and all the toadies that enable them.

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 05:29 | 5868737 Ghordius
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to use a Nulandism.... fuck this bullshit. is American supply of defense matched by European demand for it?

if there is anything that the Nuland tapes show is that the EU, for all it's faults, had a completely different approach to the troubles of Ukraine, and that Nuland's crew sidetracked them for completely different national goals, which include Hunter Biden's interests there. meanwhile Russia has a completely different set of national plans with Ukraine, and the annexation of Crimea is part of it

as a reminder, two countries pushed hard for NATO expansion. The US and the UK. the same two countries that pushed hard for EU expansion, often used as sweetener for the deals

but I don't care. now the eastern european countries are our treaty peers, to be treated as such, by us. and this, yes, is also part of our european values

Juncker has all the rights to make such a proposal for an european army. this is also part of our values. and I (and many others) have all the rights to oppose such a move. also part of those values

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 02:12 | 5868594 edotabin
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Piratepiet,

Somebody in the EU jumped the shark or the missile/airplane/tank etc.

The formation of a proper military with any credibility will require a lot of money and a lot of time. It will also require the full faith and trust of all participants.  Sure, you can get a van Rompuy to sit there and talk about nebulous goals that everyone can clap for even if half of the essence was lost in the translation. Once you start talking war, things are a bit different.

Look at NATO. Even if we assume the US dominates it because it would resent another country challenging its power, have you seen the breakdown of the contributions? Even if we eliminate the MIC hocus pocus and black money, do you have any idea how much such a mechanism would cost? Who is going to pay? Greece? Spain? Portugal?

This is nothing more than another troika plan. It started with the finacial leg, now the military leg and eventually the political leg will fall into place. Well, that appears to be the plan in any case.

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 06:39 | 5868766 piratepiet
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Yes the formation of an army would take a lot of money and time, so let's get on with it. 

Financial constraints are a bit of a non-argument.  There could be huge efficiency gains by integrating the armies of 27 or so nations.  Imagine how much wasteful duplication there is at the moment :  27 infantries, 27 air forces, ...

Some Europeans are not willing to accept US domination anymore.  I for one envision a partnership of equals between the US and EU.  The UK could really come out much stronger by taking up the role of mediator between the two.  London could become the administrative and political center of this new transatlantic partnership. 

 

 

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 02:00 | 5868608 jaxville
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  The Americans and British would love it as long as the army was created to fight the war(s) they engineer. 

  Proposing the creation of an army to oppose a specific nation is bound to be a self fulfilling prophesy.

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 05:47 | 5868732 Ghordius
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Haus, stop putting words in my mouth

here you have piratepiet that answers it for you: there is support for a EU army, and there is support for the EU as such. those are facts. by trying to drown this with an avalance of "ZH opinion" you just lose sight of realities, the very first step of becoming an echo chamber of opinions

note piratepiet's "Of course the USA  ( and the Brits ) will oppose it, they would lose power in such a scenario."

nope, I do not support such a scheme, and I have often written here on ZH that a modern army has a treasury and a tax base as foundation... something that I, and many others, prefer to keep national

hence my opposition to EuroBonds, if you did read what I was writing about them

meanwhile, yes, the EU does need a parliament. an elected parliament based on multi-party electoral systems. yes, this is part of our european values

do bring a non-childish, non-anarchist-living-in-lala-land reason why a parliament overseeing power isn't better then no parliament overseeing power, if you can

as a reminder, the EU parliament allows people like Nigel Farage and his UKIP to be... heard, on the political scene. something Westminster did not

as a further reminder, european federalists like Juncker will continue to try to make the EU parliament more powerful, and european confederationalists like me will continue to follow the treaty-based approach, where the Council is the premier body of a treaty organization, and the EU parliament has no right to make autonomous proposals, something that is reserved to the sovereign countries that are members of the club

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:43 | 5867735 SWRichmond
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Why does a customs unit need an army?

SO THEY DONT NEED NATO ANYMORE.  Bye bye Americans and Brits.

 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:38 | 5867855 knukles
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Last time round (Libya) the French alone ran out of air munitions (bombs) after day 2 and had to be resupplied from NATO (read US) stores.
Last time around the Frenchies invaded an African country (Mali) they had to be transported by USAF.
Last time around ..... 

Neverthefuckmind.

Please.  Make your EU Army and I'll take all my guys and material and go home.
Thanks ever so much for the escargot, spaghetti and brews.

PS  You can have Vickie Nuland, too.  And Rosie O'Donnell.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 22:08 | 5868304 cheech_wizard
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Remember this...

http://defensetech.org/2011/04/29/france-using-concrete-bombs-in-libya/

Forget the United States’ low-collateral damage Small Diameter Bomb, France has begun using concrete filled training bombs to literally crush Gadhafi’s tanks without causing massive explosions that can harm nearby civilians.

Apparently, the 660-pound “training bombs” have not been pressed into combat due to a lack of explosive munitions, as was reported earlier this month.

From AFP:

Military spokesman Thierry Burkhard denied rumors the use of the 300-kilogram (660-pound) training devices was prompted by a shortage of real bombs. He said the first such strike crushed an armored vehicle April 26

 

Standard Disclaimer: "Liar"

 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:59 | 5867621 pendragon
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sanctions. your kids would be far better sacrificed anyway.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:52 | 5867857 Self-enslavement
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Are you one of those Israeli snipers that shoots innocent Palestinian children off of roof tops IN THEIR OWN COUNTRY?

You're depraved. Did I spell everything right for you dear?

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:50 | 5867598 SoilMyselfRotten
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And be an example by sendng your kids, ya prick

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:51 | 5867601 Manthong
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Any doubts I had that these morons are dangerously insane have been completely erased.

 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:40 | 5867860 Self-enslavement
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Amen.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:53 | 5867607 Pinto Currency
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Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:41 | 5867570 Winston Churchill
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This toad never had an original idea in his life.

Someone is prepping for NATO fracturing.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:57 | 5867771 agent default
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Or trying to create the impression of further EU integration despite/after Grexit and other exits for that matter.  Moar perception management from the guy who has to lie when things get serious.  It could be both, but the European armed forces are a joke that mostly exists on paper and their economy and public opinion is not up for rearmament of that scale.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:25 | 5867820 angel_of_joy
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Juncker might never have had an original idea in his life, but he does bear a wonderfully appropriate name (at least for us, English speakers...)

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:43 | 5867578 Wolferl
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Most of the Dutch land army is part of the German 1. Panzer division. This is true for a polish tank corps equiped with German leopard 2 tanks too. Germany and France have a combined French-German corps. Italy, Slovenia and Hungary have a army corps together. Most armies of the EU are cooperating so closely that a EU army is not far away today anyway.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:50 | 5867589 McMolotov
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Hopefully they can come up with some awesome slogans to woo Europeans into fighting and dying for the banks.

"Be All You Can Be," "Be an Army of One," and "Army Strong" have already been taken. "Be a Bankster's Bitch" is still available, though.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:53 | 5867761 Anusocracy
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Sounds promising. An entire army of Conchita Wursts.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:27 | 5867823 ThirdWorldDude
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Seeing how most of European youth have been brought up to be environmentalist faggot libtards, you actually nailed it.

Funny shit!

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 19:51 | 5867988 TeaClipper
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Take it youve not been to the west coast lately? Or spoken to any young Americans at all? Watch out for the ones with that weird upward inflection in their voices, sure sign of an environmentalist libtard faggot

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 21:05 | 5868148 sumo
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" "Be a Bankster's Bitch" is still available, though."

LOL. I logged in just to upvote this.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:15 | 5867655 XitSam
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But in EUArmy, they won't be allowed to serve in or near their home country.  This is so EUArmy can force disobedient member countries that don't want to pay their debts to knuckle under.

Russia is just an excuse to get it formed. Internal problems will be the focus.

Update: Oh, and waiting for the EU draft in 3, 2, 1 ...

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:16 | 5867665 agent default
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And this multinational clusterfuck will react credibly to Russia? Let's see the EU bring back conscription in order to raise an army that can credibly stand up to the numerical superiority of Russia.  Also, go find yourselves some nukes, the heavy type.  Good luck with that one you will get slapped down by both the US and the Russians.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:31 | 5867830 Bay Area Guy
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I'd agree with you except the insane assholes in DC would very likely give them both tactical nukes and blow up the world nukes.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 19:49 | 5867987 Laurent K
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Europe already have nukes (France)

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 19:54 | 5867994 TeaClipper
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France and UK

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:59 | 5867907 Redneck Hippy
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It's just a power grab by the Eurocrats with Russia the convenient excuse.  If not Russia, then ISIS, or whoever.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:50 | 5867594 booboo
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I vote that they use the tried and true Swastika as their coalition flag in a show of unutty.

für das Vaterland und gegen das Mutterland

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:45 | 5867876 Self-enslavement
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Is it anti-Semitic to say "Heil Hitler"?

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 00:11 | 5868504 COSMOS
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Well apparently you are not considered anti-Gentile if you support Rabbi Ovadia Yoseff or if you kill millions of Gentiles.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:24 | 5867684 Al Tinfoil
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Europe has good, strong values.  Like political correctness, feminism, and bureaucratic meddling in every aspect of life and thought.  These values have led Europe to a disappearing birth rate, demographic calamity, sclerotic development and investment rates, labor market rigidity, and financial armageddon (and rampant corruption and bankster fraud).

Imagine the terror in Russia if the EU let loose an army of political correctness monitors, employment equality police, Eurocrats and feminists on the Russian nation.  

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 20:29 | 5868071 The Wizard
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That was my question, exactly what values does he refer to? I thought Russia is part of Europa.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 20:31 | 5868075 The Wizard
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That was my question, exactly what values does Europe espouse that he refers to? I thought Russia is part of Europa.

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 04:30 | 5868703 researchfix
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Values like printed paper, sucking out new members, home of US-torture, uncaring for its people.

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 08:37 | 5868926 sam i am
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cossack55

There're two main European values: starting wars with Russia and loosing wars with Russia. The lesser ones are looting Africa, supporting Israel and giving the US blowjobs. 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:45 | 5867583 Salah
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Russia under many excuses, is easily Planet Earth's largest land-grabber....besides, think of all the military hardware that could be sold.  It's orgasmic, Idex could rotate 3-ways (hey, a 3-way!): Abu Dhabi, Essen, and KL.  

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:55 | 5867892 Self-enslavement
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You're thinking of the Israeli's...

You know, those Jews way the fuck over there, that we're fight those wars for.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:02 | 5867628 daveO
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Who wants war? We Do!

Where can I sign up?/sarc

http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/german-intel-us-nato-commander-bre...

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 02:03 | 5868610 Jstanley011
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Insane.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:20 | 5867676 piratepiet
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"it just wants a little slice of the edges"

Who are you to say what Russia wants.  You represent nobody but yourself, unless and until you provide proof to the contrary.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:03 | 5867778 pendragon
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just a little slab

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:31 | 5867829 ThirdWorldDude
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Russia wants the same as everyone else - some pussy.

Looks like you're in trouble...

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 20:35 | 5868082 williambanzai7
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Mon, 03/09/2015 - 06:50 | 5868769 WVO Biker
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Proof that MH17 was downed by ukrainian SU 25. The real target was Putin. "West" must apologise to Putin and immediately lift all santions. How long will it take the MSM to report this?

German language report:

 

http://www.anderweltonline.com/wissenschaft-und-technik/luftfahrt-2015/m...

 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:23 | 5867527 MarketAnarchist
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NICE

We can borrow the money from Germany to pay for it...

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:23 | 5867528 Duc888
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Excellent.  Send NATO packing.

 

No foriegn entanglments and all that............

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:24 | 5867536 Sir SpeaksALot
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NATO is of American origin, so since EU policy makers want to split from American policies, it s only natural.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:28 | 5867545 chunga
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Yes so don't be surprised if NATO wants to attack this thing too.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:29 | 5867547 wisefool
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NATO takes about a trillion per year in tax revenue. They are not going to like entrepenuers/competetion for the monopoly munny.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:57 | 5867897 max2205
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But will the US get a refund on what it paid to occupy and protect the EU for the last 70 Fucking years?   Didn't think so....

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:25 | 5867539 TideFighter
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Too late to cry for help, the Putin Boa Constrictor would crush that JV team like Grant took Richmond.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:26 | 5867542 justmy2cents
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But, but ,but they told the Irish to get a 'Yes' vote in the second referendum on Lisbon treaty there would be no EU army.

Not looking too bright now are you Ireland?

 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:29 | 5867548 no more banksters
Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:50 | 5867550 Dr. Engali
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I'm sorry, but is Russia doing something that I wasn't aware of? These fucktard scare mongers all need to be shot.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:41 | 5867731 BuddyEffed
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Their business model is morphing badly, and this shows it.  (The mongers, I mean)

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:57 | 5867896 Self-enslavement
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According to CNN, there are 10 ISIS members and 1 Russian hiding behind every tree.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:31 | 5867553 Atomizer
Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:34 | 5867557 Johnbrown
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The EU has values?

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:39 | 5867561 franciscopendergrass
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We need a Cold War 2.0 because the Middle East Theater is winding down.  The War on Terror picked up where the Cold War left off.   History repeating itself.   Fuck my Life!  We will never learn

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:38 | 5867563 geno-econ
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Armies are good at conquering territory but lousey at occupying territory, especially in a nation with different language, customs and religion.   As far as preserving values, armies are totally ineffective.  Perhaps Juncker intends to use new army to keep EU together including Greece, Italy, Spain, Portugal, etc.  Hitler tried that, now Juncker 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:39 | 5867565 Soul Glow
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European army?  Versus Russia?  Does this guy know what happens when Europe attacks Russia?  

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:47 | 5867587 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Run away!! Run away!!

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:51 | 5867604 Beam Me Up Scotty
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Run away!! Run away!!

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 04:36 | 5868710 researchfix
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There is also truth spoken. They said, it is because Europe lost credibility to Russia (and i think to 150 more nations)

If you are self-isolated - by pretending to isolate Russia - the next thing is you feel threatened and endangered.

It´s all in the little psychopath´s handbook.

 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:40 | 5867566 FieldingMellish
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... and put a French general in charge... that should scare the Russians...

Only a career politician could come up with such a brilliant plan... or a banker.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:43 | 5867567 XRAYD
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Yah, sure ... they can't run a bank! And now want another bureaucratic (expense account meeting forum) to run a European Army to kill other people's children in wars, because they are more equal and important than other they consider their inferiors! Also, another wet dream for the defense industry - (to create jobs, you dontchaknow)!

They can put their existing armies under one command (which it already is, America'a) just as they have put all their banks' under the ECBs - which has done such a fantastic job for bankers and oligarchs. Why would the army be any different?

Of course, the last NATO "army" did a great job bringing down the USSR! They need a new one to bring down Putin ... to recereate a new Russia in thier image, after their miserable show in Ukraine!

Just like Central Bankers ... it is impossible for them to admit defeat.  Doubling down on failed policy is the best protection they have for their jobs.

This is rich coming from "you have to lie when things get serious" Junk_man!

 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:03 | 5867568 CHX
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Paging Junker, paging Junker. Ukraine is NOT in the EU, and NOT part of Nato, and is NOT attacked by Russia. WTF? Need a bloody shooting war to divert of all the things you f-ed up, aye ?

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:41 | 5867571 heywood2
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What are "European values" exactly?  So far, I can only think of two:

   1.) Don't wear anything from last season's collection

   2.) Always wear condoms during anal sex.

What might the others be? Can somebody fill me in?

 

 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:50 | 5867593 Surging Chaos
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3) War. Lots and lots of war.

It's sort of been the European thing to do going back as far back as the Thirty Years' War.

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 04:39 | 5868713 researchfix
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4) think of something dirty

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:41 | 5867573 Barry Freed
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Because the EU has so much extra money they don't know with.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:45 | 5867584 David Wooten
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So why don't they just kick the US and Britain out of NATO and keep the rest?  Or perhaps the EU army, if it gets going, will replace NATO and NATO will be sent packing.  That ought to be just fine with US.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:17 | 5867801 Berspankme
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The Italians can be in charge of uniforms- probably Armani and the French can prepare the meals. The brits can just molest all the other soldiers cuz buggering is all they're good for. Fuck You Cameron

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:49 | 5867590 mastersnark
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"All that [Russian] hate's gunna burn you up, kid." - Col. Andy Tanner

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:49 | 5867591 THE DORK OF CORK
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Europe values usury and little else.

It has no moral values.

It is a empty shell and therefore a wild success using banking metrics

 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:50 | 5867596 Joe Tierney
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What a bunch of mindless euro-buttholes!

 

Their whole socialistic bankrupt euro-system is collapsing, and what are they doing? They're talkiing about creating an army to take on Russia!!!!

 

MUHAHHAHAHA!

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:21 | 5867680 agent default
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As a staunch EU Federalist I think that invading Russia is the most brilliant move one can make.  History has proven my point again and again.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:34 | 5867843 wolfnipplechips
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/Sarc

There....fixed it for you.

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 04:41 | 5868714 researchfix
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Stop it. The losses are socialistic. The wins are not.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:51 | 5867600 walcott
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Truth is?

 

Every one of these mother fuckers are fags period. They like boys too all are 

 

Jerry Sandusky fudgepackers. It's endemic at the top they're all fags.

 

The guns are pointed at the wrong people. Maybe sooner than later the armies will realize 

 

how pathetic and weak the empty suit fudge packers or so called leaders are.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:51 | 5867602 Quinvarius
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Great.  Another foreign power for Obama to start a war with.

According to John Titor, we all get nuked Wed at 3:45am.  I don't think this incident is going to happen.  But his major themes have all mostly happened.  

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:51 | 5867605 10mm
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This buisness is really getting Biblical. 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:53 | 5867609 walcott
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Spicoli's Surfer Dream - Fast Times at Ridgemont High (6/10) Movie CLIP (1982) HD

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKrpl-KBTzQ

 

Those guys are fags!

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:53 | 5867612 will ling
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notion sounds like tower of babel to me.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:55 | 5867618 JenkinsLane
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What a cunt.

 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 16:58 | 5867620 Spungo
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I'll back this idea after I mortgage my house to buy shares of Northrop and Lockheed.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:03 | 5867629 Inthemix96
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I will tell you one thing Mr Junker, and cameron, and hollande, and merkle, and the rest of you child molesting covering up bastards,

I will serve time for doing my best to mutilate any one of you fucking cunts before I would harm a fellow man of any country just trying to get by in the fucking shit show you call our countries.

And this one isnt on his own.  You fucking filthy pathetic child molesting bastards.

I am fucking burning with rage for these utter cunts.  When are we, as people, going to stop these cunts?

The day cannot come soon enough.

Cunts

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:31 | 5867719 justmy2cents
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edit: crude joke - comment deleted

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:04 | 5867631 wesson
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Re-arming the reconstructed German empire, a wonderful idea !

 

What could possibly go wrong with that ?

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:06 | 5867641 JimmyRainbow
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at  least a scapegoat is found before trouble starts,

one must watch for the bright spots ourdays

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:38 | 5867725 justmy2cents
Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:04 | 5867632 JimmyRainbow
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the even bigger big plan may be to add the eu as another state to the us in 10-50 years.

and then we finally have our so beloved block world orwell style 100% genuine.

i mean after all that interweaving pre lehmann european cities already sold everything to wall street and leased it back. the eu as the greece of america comes to me mind :)

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 21:21 | 5868194 andrewp111
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No. The EU will be a rival empire. The UK (or the 4 parts of it) will be added as States of the US. Possibly Ireland too.

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 04:44 | 5868717 researchfix
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Not Scotland you bet.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:04 | 5867634 Niall Of The Ni...
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Jean-Claude wants a pack of toy soldiers so he can show Putin who's boss? And who, pray, will serve in this band of merry men who has any choice, knowing full well they'll be massacred by anything resembling a real army?

If someone has to be the last to die for the Fourth Reich, let it be Jean-Claude himself. 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 21:18 | 5868191 andrewp111
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The EU Army will be commanded by Germans, but conscripted Greeks, Spaniards and Italians will be sent into the meat grinder.  Irish too, although they are likely to fight much better than Greeks and Italians.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:04 | 5867636 Yttrium Gold Ni...
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You don't wanna know how sad this looks from Russian side. It's like looking at an asylum where patients have taken over. European politicians even keep talking about some 'values' they or the EU has. What a load of crap. They need a good spank and be sent to their room, doing several days of pent-up homework. Or a dose of antipsychotic.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:06 | 5867642 Batman11
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The cold war stayed cold for thirty years due to nuclear weapons and MAD (mutually assured destruction).

There are still enough nukes for the MAD scenario to play out, stop worrying about Russia.

 

 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:13 | 5867656 Batman11
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North Korea is safe because it is has nuclear weapons.

Saddam is toast because he didn't have any WMDs.

Russia is as safe as houses.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:44 | 5867870 krage_man
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No, they are not safe. It is not enough to have WMD, you must have means to deliver WMD to the enemy home state. Only Russia and somewhat China can do it.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 19:24 | 5867949 Winston Churchill
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And France,UK,India and possibly Pakisthan.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 19:37 | 5867968 krage_man
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They have very limited capabilities in the sense that antimissile system can protect agaimst them.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:09 | 5867648 krage_man
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This is a shot against USA and NATO. It becomes obvious that blindly following USA/NATO will lead to a new war in Europe. And that USA will be happy with it! So, EU just wants to remove its forces from US control. That is it.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:15 | 5867662 Bioscale
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No, this is certainly not. The assholes in Brussels know that common Europeans will NEVER fight for NATO against Russia. So they try to push the notion of EU army thinking that EU folks are complete idiots and will buy that idea. No way. Brussels and this Juckhead is out of reality.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:42 | 5867866 krage_man
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They will not but their army will.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:45 | 5867874 ThirdWorldDude
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+1  

A good portion of Europeans are losing their temper at Uncle Sugar's constant fuck-ups around the world and are getting sceptical at every mentioning of ZATO's "humanitarian missions".

This is but an attempt to get support for a legitimate indigenous European army protecting "EU values", while in reality those armed forces will remain the same Vichy errand boys receiving orders from the Pentagram.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:10 | 5867649 f16hoser
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Hey Juncer, stick a Patato Masher in your Pie-Hole and pull the pin! Brilliant

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:10 | 5867650 Tracerfan
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"EU values" are Nazi values

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 20:13 | 5868042 Bunga Bunga
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Juncker's going to try again where Hitler failed. 

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:11 | 5867652 rationale
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Handy for occupying Greece when it's time to collect.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:32 | 5867699 booboo
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Well that's the ticket right there, EU goes full retard military, moves against Russia, China double crosses Putin for the resources in a deal with the U.S. as the U.S. has to invade Europe to rid the continent of the EU fascist and divey up the spoils with China ala Yalta. Send the script out to Goldstein at Warner Brothers and start the war movie machine, get Harrison Ford on the line and Willis, call in that little Bolshevik David Axelrod to get the propaganda machine up and running.

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 18:35 | 5867846 cwsuisse
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Forget it - there is nothing to collect

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 20:08 | 5868030 Bunga Bunga
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Slaves are always there to "collect".

Mon, 03/09/2015 - 04:48 | 5868718 researchfix
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Greece will call in NATO...

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:17 | 5867667 dizzyfingers
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NATO the advance force of invasion wherever....

WHO'S NEXT?!

Sun, 03/08/2015 - 17:17 | 5867668 DutchBoy2015
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We are going to teach those Russkies and their crazy ideas about heterosexuality and show them that GAY is the WAY.

 

 

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