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Greece Folds (Again); Ready To Propose "New" Reforms Immediately
Following earlier comments from various Eurogroup members - after yesterday's dismissal of Greece's proposed "reforms" - ranging from Slovakia's "Greece needs to face the naked truth," to Dijsselbloem's "we seem to be losing time on Greece," and Schaeuble's "not a lot has happened on Greece," it appears Greece has quickly folded once again and acquiesced to EU's demands for harsher cuts. With cash unlikely to last more than 3 weeks and being unlikely to get the EU1.9bn in bond profits from the ECB (according to EU officials), Greek officials have stated that they are "willing to enrich" the list of reforms.
Some helpful comments as leaders arrived at today's Eurogroup meeting:
- *GREECE NEEDS TO FACE NAKED TRUTH, KAZIMIR SAYS
- *SAPIN: GREECE NEEDS TO WORK `SERIOUSLY' ON ECONOMY PLAN
- *IFO'S SINN DON'T SEE PROGRESS IN GREECE SITUATION
- *SCICLUNA SAYS EXPECTS MORE COMMITMENT FROM GREECE
- *DIJSSELBLOEM SAYS `SEEM TO BE LOSING TIME' ON GREECE
- *SCHAEUBLE SAYS NOT A LOT HAS HAPPENED ON GREECE
- *SCHAEUBLE SAYS GREECE MUST REFRAIN FROM ONE-SIDED MEASURES
And this...
- *GREECE UNLIKELY TO GET EU1.9B FROM BOND PROFITS: EU OFFICIAL
- *GREECE'S CASH MAY LAST UP TO 3 WEEKS, EU OFFICIAL SAYS
As Bloomberg notes,Greece is willing to add more reforms to proposed list...
Eurogroup must remain political body, shouldn’t discuss technical details, a Greek govt official, who asked not to be named in line with policy said by e-mail.
Greece seeks political progress in today’s meeting; govt willing to enrich list with other reforms, some of which will be directly submitted to technical delegation: govt official
Reforms suggested concern govt’s 2015 budget: govt official
Greece is working in best possible way to meet commitments to its euro-area peers, while respecting Greek people’s dignity: govt official
3 reforms that will be submitted to technical delegation, not included in first list are reviewing past income tax declarations, cross-checking triangular transactions, incentives for collecting receipts: govt official
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Syriza turned out to be assholes like the rest of 'em.
Fuck Greece.
On an aside, I don't see this government lasting too long.
That has got to be humiliating. First they have to dance, then give the EU what money they have left, and now they have to find a way to try harder?
This is like the social worker disbursing funds to The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo.
pods
This union crap.....sure seems like a pain in the ass.
The future of "elected" governments is clear: Civil unrest. They all say one thing during the campaign and do something completely different sucking bankster balls when in power.
The future is discord, guaranteed. The snapping point of the people will come.
cross-checking triangular transactions ... ??? OPA!! Is that some Vulcan Live-Long and Prosper (on the fiat) thingy ? there must be massive mind-melds between Greece and EU these days.
Somebody please food or bomb Greece, so we have a few weeks without news from Greece!
If you want real change you need to stop electing lefties (that includes nazis).
Meh, anyone who gets elected in Greece will either play ball out of the gate or wake up with a horse's head in their bed. Followed by a gentleman who will invite himself for lunch one day to make it clear that he's confident that they will come around to the plans that the ECB, IMF and EU have for Greece.
agreed. wonder who kicked Harry Reid's ass by the bye........
No kidding. Him and Hillary Clinton's unfortunate fall that broke her arm and has left her with headaches/dizziness. One can hope that renders her unfit for further public office...
Greece will soon get their Ass "enriched" by the EU !
During a campaign, they tell people all they want to hear, otherwise they wouldn't get elected. When in power they realize they can't afford any of it. Socialist govs are bankrupt folks. Anything they promise to "give" you, only comes from your own hides. There's no "future" to keep borrowing from, it's over.
+1, great analogy pods.
Paul Craig Roberts: http://itsourmoney.podbean.com/e/the-whole-story-022515/
Greece should exit the Euro and give the finger to the bankster criminals.
That's the way Zionists like it. Once they see you grovelling, that's when the pressure really starts.
Deadbeats going to be dead.
It always happens eventually.
pods, if the girl with the dragon tatoo was played by Melissa McCarthy
Next up: Golden Dawn. It will be fun watching the Eurocrats try to make vassals of them. They would have to do it with human compromise. I bet Brussels is bringing in some hot trannies to augment their usual stable of pimped-out little boys.
At least SYRIZA willingly drank the Keynesian-socialist-PC koolaid which the Eurocrats peddle to useful idiots. Golden Dawn will need their drinks spiked. Something stronger. Something which can lead to spectacular perversions, all caught on tape. A tanker of scopolamine from the CIA?
Nah --
I bet you cash GD will fold faster than Syriza. An openly corrupt neo-fascist organization looking out for the people first -- before themselves? Nice thought but would never happen.
Greece would probably stimulate the German weapons industry though.
This.
I give them a 50-50 chance.
Will Golden Dawn ally itself with the Ukrainian Nazi's? Does Fascism work when you're broke? Maybe Golden Dawn can get NATO contracts for Greece to build weapons for the Ukraine Nazi's. Solves the US, Greek and Ukrainian problems in one action right?
"openly corrupt"
Care to prove that with actual evidence?
Maybe they'll use Gottfried Feder's model for economic recovery. Worked the last time someone tried to implement it.
Must have used a fair amount of lube to get your head up your ass.
Greek politicians my friend.
If you get a far right government in France, a far right government in Greece and a far right governent in Spain - what do you have then?
A clear and imminent threat to the ECB and most of the EU cabal. You have a formidable opposition to the Euro bullshit.
Like it or not, but the only viable road to freedom in Europe is with a strong far right coalition that spans the entire continent.
The Euroweenies are scared shitless for that reason. This is Europe, my friend. There is a whole lot more going on than they're willing to address or admit.
European money is not all betting on the same horse either hence the push back to US led aggression in Ukraine.
@New World Chaos, it should pose little problem to make Golden Dawn the new EU vassals. Remember, they're more than willing to make deals with fascists in Kiev in order to promote their socialist 'wealth distribution' agenda.
Tsipras and Yanis Varoufakis are furiously working to pillage Greece on behalf of the bankers and to put Greece into a position where it is even less capable to fight back. If the Greeks do not boot Syriza within weeks, no months, all pools of cash will have been moved (pensions among others) to the EU and bankers. The two fooled everyone as to who they were aligned with.
Golden Dawn may even be in some way outlawed to delay any real challange.
Then the Greeks can spend money they do not have buying arms from Germany and France for the new EU army. The benefit being that that new army takes residence within Greece and acts as an enforcer that is only responsible to Brussels. You can see it coming.
so Victoria Nuland has rubbed off you? a country, a nation-state with it's own history, culture and language, a european sovereign... that does not behave the way you want, and you are already saying "Fuck Greece"?
Ew -- why would you put such an image in my mind? Thats horrible Ghrodo. Seriously not cool.
That aside, I say fuck Greece because of the constant "hin und zu" of this Dreek Grama.
I wish they would have an honest government. Just ones, one that either says
"Hey guys, we are really screwed. The way things sit today are as good as they are going to get for a while. Sorry" and not offer a false sense of hope to a group of people.
or
"Hey guys, we are really screwed. We are leaving the EU and EMZ."
But the odds of honest politicians -- especially in Greece is slim to none, thus I agree with the above and extreme violence in public is likely the only option now. The rest of the West should take notes. If anyone thinks they are going to change anything at the ballot box (given Greece as an Beispiel) they are sadly mistaken.
yes, and Victoria Nuland has the same patience for political processes. and increasingly, many Nulanders are repeating the mantra that "democracy does not work the way we want, here and now, ergo democracy works... nowhere"
on the center-right of the Greek political spectrum you have some 60-65% of Greeks that do not want to exit the EUR or the EU
on the center-left of the Greek political spectrum you have a near-majority that elected Syriza because of the debt and austerity
there is a cross section of those two group, but it's probably around less then half of both camps. that's a circle that Greeks have to square off
meanwhile, your "...extreme violence in public is likely the only option now..." is Nulandesque, too. if the world does not behave the way we want it to behave... engage extreme violence
beware of becoming a Nulander yourself
60%-65% -- how sad.
I shudder to think what that place will look like post-next Lehman financial apocalypse.
@ Ghordius
"A European Sovereign" I spit out my coffee on that one G. Have you looked at the defintion of sovereign lately, in my opinion they could not be any farther from sovereign if they tried and it seems they are trying quite hard.
Know your enemy
AD
that's very, very American of you, I fear. you equate sovereignty with raw power
a sovereign can be occupied, it's government in exile, and still be a sovereign. further, sovereigns are often in financial troubles, and sometimes they even default, or suffer a hyperinflation
I'm sorry, I'm using the word the way it's defined and used in the rest of the world, where sovereigns abound. your definition is way narrower and tied to a specific American internal discussion
"a sovereign can be occupied, it's government in exile, and still be a sovereign"
From the Montevideo Convention on the Rights and Duties of States :
Article 1 :
The state as a person of international law should possess the following qualifications: a ) a permanent population; b ) a defined territory; c ) government; and d) capacity to enter into relations with the other states.
I think you put too much... whatever, on conventions like Montevideo instead of conventions in the sense of how humans behave
history is a better teacher. Belgium, for example, was occupied twice in the last 100 years, and in both cases it kept being a sovereign
it's the same as for the strange ideas you have about "international law". certain things do prop up all the times independently from the international written conventions
one example is how prisoners of war are treated
Cato did not need a Geneva Convention to accuse Caesar in the Senate of having committed genocide on two Peoples that had surrendered to him in this campaign in Gaul
the general assumption of all ages is that if you surrender, then the occupier cannot do whatever it wants without any respect of anything, period. you end up on the wrong side of history if you do that too often, and too much
"it kept being a sovereign"
Not according to the Germans. And if the Germans had won the war...And then we are back at ... RAW POWER ?
Would you not agree that sovereignty is always taken, never given ?
Sovereignty = a country's independent authority and the right to govern itself
That's only Merriam-Webster. Don't make me come back with Encyclopedia of Philosophy...
Where are you from, dude ?
I was born in a country in the Balkans that no longer exists; currently residing in a NIRP land in N. Europe.
How about yourself?
Balkans, was that third world ? Maybe if you equate third world with non-allied countries and we are talking Yugoslavia.
NIRP land in Northern Europe...that would be Denmark I guess.
I am from Belgium.
But as they say, what actually matters is not where you are from, but where you are going.
I grew up in an industrialized country that was turned into a 3rd world one overnight, so you can say I've already been where you are headed to...
Ok, sorry to hear that. But frankly, the foundations of industrialized countries are much deeper than the factories that meet your eye. Look at Germany, largely devastated during WW2, again one of the major industrial powers as we speak. It is imho more about the human factor than anything else.
And for myself : I think you haven 't got the faintest clue where I am heading to, dude.
Sorry for my lousy expression, was primarily referring to your country/ society as a whole.
And you're probably right, the foundations of industrialized nations lie deep beneath the Marshall Plans and cheap abundant credits of this world...
We have to be grateful for the Marshall plan, yes. As for cheap credits...not so sure about that. I somehow suspect Americans profited mightily from Europe after 1945. A while ago I read only 49 percent of shares in Deutsche bank are in German hands. Large part owned by non-Europeans ? Supposedly we do not know who owns Belgian government bonds. Should do some research on the financial flows between Europe and America since 1945. Have you got any good sources ?
Semantics.
Fuck all Zionist "democracies"
Fuck you and the kike horse you rode in on.
And idiots.
They really are. They used wishful thinking and big talk to win an election, but had no idea what to do if they won.
Does Syrzia remind anyone else of the Russian revolution's Kerensky provisional government?
"Yes, yes, yes, we know the citizens want change, and we will... eventually... but we just can't end the war RIGHT this instant!!!"
They didn't realize they had a provisional mandate. They lasted about 4 months.
It was the Bolskeviks who eventually ended the war, AT ANY COST.
Maybe the Golden Dawn will deliver the goods?
At the end of the day Greeks are scared shirtless of not being called Europeans, and will do anything, including give up their sovereignty for it.
And like the rest of the EU, they will destroy everything to be Europeans, including the entire continent when they are forced into war with Russia by the USA.
Sometimes, I understand why world wars and total destruction begin there.
I totally agree. Being a member of the euro club is a status symbol for Greeks and probably for others. The euros think they are superior to everyone else.
In my opinion, a Europeanist is another name for a racist who knows how to use pc terms to hide it.
thanks for the good laugh. that is humour, isn't it?
Yep.
Usually, for maintaining a tight position, one needs to believe in what one says.
This is not the case.
Yessir. Yessir. I step and fetch it fo' you directly, sir.
Greece better hustle up and reform through austerity so they can add some of their citizens to that fancy new EuroArmy to take on evil Russia.
That's right Greece, bend over and be dominated by the NWO. Enjoy your humiliation. It is what you have choosen.
Metastar:
"That's right Greece, bend over and be dominated by the NWO. Enjoy your humiliation. It is what you have choosen."
Well, we are doing the same thing in a round about way....
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/mar/8/mitch-mcconnell-vows-to-r...
Please don't' include ZH'ers in "We", though I fully understand your point. +1
Most Greeks are probably getting a woody about bending over and being dominated.
If Greece hadn't started the EU's collapse, another country would have been next in line...
Actually they are probably happy it was only Greece. Gives them a trial run on responses.
Spain, Italy, and eventually France are all jockeying for next position, and they will be more material to the EU
what a pussies
HAHAHAHAHAHA! I hope he at least got a ball gag out of the deal...
Reminds me of Charlie Brown asking Lucy if she's gonna pull the foot ball away as he runs up to kick it. Over and over and over.
I've been seeing more contradicting statements - expect the usual confusion re grexit l8r today
The WHOLE FUCKING THING needs to crash! I can't believe how in just my lifetime the worlds people were hijacked by TOTALLY FUCKING INSANE "leaders"!!
Be ready people...
EzelsReet besloot na de opkomst van FortuynlijkePim om het standpunt in de StatenGeneraal te verkondigen dat de wiskundige definitie van de absolute waarheid niet bestaat. Al werd via de @*IVD wel gelekt over ...?!?!?
http://www.ftm.nl/zichtbare-hand-banken-handelsonderhandelingen/#comment...
Saudi Arabia blocks Swedish FM from speech at Arab League in Cairo!
http://www.dailynewsegypt.com/2015/03/09/saudi-arabia-blocks-swedish-fm-...
Het LOWI (Landelijk Orgaan Wetenschappelijke Integriteit) kent nog niet de normen van een cultuur van waarheiddelen, maar verwijt VU-hoogleraar Peter Nijkamp wel van 'verwijtbaar onzorgvuldig handelen'.
http://nos.nl/artikel/2023694-vu-econoom-schond-wetenschappelijke-integr...
Wanneer het 'recht op waarheid' in het 'openbaar bestuur' wordt geïntroduceerd moeten ook politieke partijen hun teksten verdedigen door de bron te vermelden. Netwerk @GuusjA verwacht dat binnenkort een politicus de context van de 'wiskundige definitie van de absolute waarheid' gaat gebruiken voor eigen gewin.
De Zweedse minister van buitenlandse zaken Margot Wallström heeft al gezegd dat Saudi-Arabië heeft verhinderd dat zij een vergadering van de Arabische Liga in Caïro zou toespreken, omdat er sprake zou zijn van 'illegaal' waarheiddelen. In de optiek van oud-gedeputeerde HooijmaijersHooijmaijers de manier om te kunnen functioneren in het systeem 'Liegen om te Leven'.
I can understand about every 4th or 5th word, if I read it phoneticaly. Dutch is a pretty language...
I think your missing your /sarc tag...
Well, my base line is Arabic. So, yeah, Dutch is pretty by comparison.
So it isn't "Molan Labe", but "Kommen Sie es nehmen!"
You cannot really translate that into German.
the closest I could come up with is;
"Versuchst du mal es von mir wegnehmen du Arschkopf"
"Try and take it from me you shithead"
Although I am sure a native German speaker somewhere on the forum could give you a better translation than that.
HAHAHA. Awesome! My German is not even basic, and I'm even hadicapped in English thanks to my dialect. My apologies. I should have said "Kommen Sie und lehmen sie schulden". Is that right? Not that the Greek are shying away from taking money, though the Germans seem to (inexplicably) be loaning them money.
I forgot the comma between wegnehmen und du.
Ich entschuldige mich.
The more I think about it -- the more I think wegnehmen should be wegzunehmen ("to take away" as opposed to "take away") but we need a natives help on this one.
wegZUnehmen is correct, comma irrelevant in this context
Bullish for stocks and to records we go. Wtf was friday about. We the people of America are just as stupid as the Greeks the numbers are true shit we believe the lies
Pussies.
I demand a recount! Turn those machines back on. Check for hanging chads! This isn't over!
There's no one you can elect that can't be intimidated.
At least make the fight look unstaged. Though I guess they've run out of reasons to even pretend to care about appearances anymore.
Enjoy the Dawn, Yurop. You earned it.
I'm guessing the suicide situation is about to get alot worse.
Like Mr. Tyson says, "everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face."
Varouvakis the "Vacilator"
Varouvakis, Varoufakis, DO-RE-ME,,,DO-RE-ME, YOU ARW SUCH A DOUCHE-BAG, YOU ARE SUCH A DOUCHE-BAG, DO-RE-ME, DO-RE-ME
Politicians acting like politicians, gee whiz Mr. Wilson!
Turn up the austerity screws? Are they asking for a revolution? It's coming, in one form or another. We are watching the beginning of the end of neoliberalism in the West.
I'm never reading another story about Greece, they always fold flatter than cheap lawn chairs.
It's like a whole nation of Boehners
Meet the new reforms, same as the old reforms.
PUSSSSIESSS
PUSSSSIESSS
The Greeks are obviously just gaming the system; defaulting in fact, while merely pretending that they intend to comply --someday soon!-- with the absurd austerity reform demands of the EU.
And good for them!
From Reuters: Va-roufa-kis Agrees to Jizz'n Blow'm Strategy
The Greek citizens lived under the illusion that an election would change things. Electing a new party or candidate changes nothing.
Politicians are always controlled by the bankers. After all, the type of deception known as the illusion of choice is a specialty of the banksters.
They then build on that deception by creating the illusion of free markets and the illusion of economic growth. In actuality, the markets are rigged casinos where the house always wins and the economy is a form of debt enslavement whose chains are wrapped around the population.
You people are so negative. Syriza has discovered the key to the entire deal -- they are going to cross-check triangular transactions.
Default looks like it's inevitable.
Stick it to the idiots who lent you money you could never afford to pay back.
Very shortly you will have reinforcements for your stance in the shape of Podemos and Front National.
They should have voted for Golden Dawn, the only men in Greece, and not these sickening leftist bastards who put the EU and illegal immigrant invader vermin ahead of Greek citizens. It's time for men to lead once again and for "democracy" and universal sufferage to be abolished. The protection of the peoples' rights, land, and culture is the only job any government should be involved in. It's time for those who can't see beyond the bottom line and for those who seek to destroy our nations, rights, and culture be severely punished.
And that's why they're being dismissed as EEEEVIL NAZIS.
As long as the EU collapses, the why and when are unimportant...
So quickly they join the political class, and trade their convictions for a 4 star hotel room and breakfast buffet. Hunger games, again.
Why does anyone pay attention/waste time on Greece news anymore? It is and has been a vassal state of the larger EU Feudal Society. What more is there to tell?
Guess who was shown the nailgun in the Zapruder film!
Is the "technical delegation" mentioned in the article the infamous Troika the institutions?
Who would they shoot first to coerce tax payments.... those who signed for the debt?..... or those who did not?
I think the Greek people should vote to dissolve their nation and thus shuck off all the odious debt
their politicians have dumped on their backs. Call the Troika bluff and make them turn their
piddling pair over for the whole world to seel.
Just rename the country and then determine that all documents with the word "Greece" in them are invalid.
All Europe has to do is withhold the funds...then Greece will have to chose who will get paid and who will not....harsh but true.....as they will be out of cash and only living on their inflows....
What we are talking about is will the banks get repaid?
If this process including Greece and the other Bankster players were being up front, they would admit that either way Greece is getting severe state cutbacks in services. The bailouts are for the banksters not the olive farmers...
In other news, sales of Rolaids, Tums, Advil and Preparation H has gone through the roof in Greece.
Now, we show you what it means "Greek Style".
Greek FinMin to EU banker: "And you are...?"
EU Banker: "Ben Dover"
Greek FinMin: "Bendover?"
EU Banker: "Yes, Ben Dover"
Greek FinMin: "Pleased to meet you"
EU Banker: "Oh, the pleasure is all mine" [smiles]
To the folks who never read Tsipras open letter to Germany... it's never too late.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-29/alexis-tsipras-open-letter-germ...
They are trying to work out a compromise but it's becoming increasingly clear that 1) there is no compromise to be had and 2) the purpose of the four month window is to replace the existing government with anyone who will "play ball".
I will be very surprised if Greece does not choose to exit the EU in short order and default on it's debt. Of course this will create a contagion via derivatives and the central bankers will have their scape goat for the next economic collapse (Greece). Germany and Great Britain will be the next to leave the Euro and this will likely lead to a military confrontation on several fronts (in addition to the conflicts we have currently in the Middle East and Ukraine).
When I think about the tremendous human suffering that lies ahead, it's hard not to be overwhelmed with sadness. Be thankful for every day folks. Because there is no guarantee that there will be a tomorrow for any of us.
Always remember Socialists & Marxists love wealth & $$$ way more than free-market capitalists - especially other peoples assets!
Let's hope you were just as outraged when the bankers came cap in hand............?
Banks are very important 'conduits' for Socialist governments! They help to montetize tax-payer debt for them! Bankers partner with government & do look for repayment of loans. Governemts do everything in their power to make sure payment arrangements are made so they can continue to use the banks for further use. Bankers without government access & approval are toothless! Look to infected keynesian government CENTRAL BANKING deficit debt strategy if you are looking for the REAL culprit!
The Syriza government is actually in the driving seat. When a partner owes another partner an unpayable debt, he actually has a much better negotiating position because of the potential losses involved. Syriza knows full well what the impact on the EU as a whole will be if Greece defaults. So do the Germans. Therefore what we have is a game of bluff and counter bluff. An exit is very likely, but the Germans would like it to be at a time of their choosing. They are desperate to avoid a domino effect as other countries line up fro special treatment. It looks like death by a thousand cuts for the EU.
Socialism kills!
Yep, but let's not forget the biggest Socialist of them all were the Multinational banks that came begging for tax payer funds. When the SHTF, the money men cry babies couldn't face the music.
Socialism for the the Banking class, and free market capitalism for the rest of us......laughable.
Simply looking for repayment of shareholders capital that was ititiated & approved & GUARANTEED by the socialist visionaries! This has nothing to do with 'free-market capitalism! Have a peek at what the ECB is up to now! A lot more of the same & the Greeks sure want to be part of it! Expect the same miserable result & only the 'bankers' will be blamed!
HAHAHAHAHA
Like waiting for Bullwinkle to actually pull that rabbit out his hat.
"THAT TRICK NEVER WORKS!"
My ? is how long will the EU give Greece when the 4 months runs out?
It's always $$$ first for the Socialist! Forget all about the 'caring & sharing' thing they hype! Never happens! Misery ALWAYS follows those delusional dudes!!
No Guts, No Glory!
Syriza leaders should have been prepared for the worst; and should have anticipated that it would come to that. Obviously, they didn't.
Had Syriza imposed strict controls on deposits, on financial transactions, and on foreign exchanges at the very first day, It would have prevented the massive vacuuming of Greece's financial sector. With all the money removed from the system, they faced starvation.
I wish that they had gone ahead with the referendum. It would be a true measure of democracy. It is a testament to the cowardice and deceit at the root of all political parties, who "champion" democracy leading up to the polls, but reject it while in office.
The EU strategy: dismantle Syriza government.
Yeh, but do they expect the Nea Demokratia and PASOK to return to power?
I bet on Golden Dawn.
They know the pathetic Marxists lust for cash & assets! Their 'precious & unique' Ideology gets 'temporarily' suspended until the cheque clears! Lol!
Even with his new made-in-America Cyalis prescription in hand, Vlad's going to fold just like the Greeks.
Sub $50/bl oil for a year might do it!
'Socialism is a philosophy of ignorance & gospel of envy. Its inherent value is the equal sharing of misery.' - Sir Winston Churchill
He voted for the Balfour declaration and initiated the Gallipoli disaster as Lord of the Admiralty.
Then, in the winter of his discontent at seeing Pax Britannica fade into oblivion, during the 1930s when he couldn't prevent his "rule Britannia" knee jerk from disappearing from the annals of history, based of a two hundred year time line of Malborough's and Clive's combined legacy, he found his finest hour when Hitler out-did the scions of Pax Britannica by heralding in the age of Aryan purity and natoinal socialism.
Phew! When an Oligarchy clown finds a fascist turd who is more rancid than his own claim to being world hegemon you know you are saved for posterity as, in the race to bottom, there is someone who is more IGNOBLE than yourself! (Between you and me, I wouldn't quote Churchill as a scion of Enlightenment).
How humanity lurches from Charybdis to Scylla!
Yur too smart for here. Go away!
When you're a broke Third-World Socialist Hellhole you have no choice but to go begging or reform - or Both. But this lazy ass country doesn't want to reform, what they want is what they ain't gonna get - a never ending supply of money from the other countries in Europe. So fuggedaboutit!
Icelandic reform would make Greece prosper but the have a zionist mole hiding in their system!
It makes you think of the war reparation after world war i which were also impossible to pay for Germany and they also tried to squeeze blood out of stone, even occupy the Rheinland to collect it. Maybe that is what Juncker's army is for: occupying Greece to collect.