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New Yorkers Consider Secession After Cuomo's Permanent Ban On Fracking
Submitted by Thomas Miller via Oilprice.com,
One could argue America was conceived from intense frustration that ultimately led to separation. Fed up with what they perceived as excessive control by the Crown, colonists to the “New England”, in essence, seceded in 1776, and thus the United States was born.
Now, there is a renewed and growing secession conversation brewing in the New England region, this time fueled by a commodity: Natural gas. Infuriated by Governor Andrew Cuomo’s December decision to permanently instill a ban against hydraulic fracture stimulation, or fracking, residents in 15 communities in the Southern Tier of New York are discussing the possibility of redrawing the border between New York and Pennsylvania.
Most affected are communities that lie along the east-west line between the Empire and Keystone states. Dairy farms dot the landscape, and in Pennsylvania, where fracking is encouraged, farmers are building new barns, buying new equipment and communities are adding schools and hospitals. In contrast, only a few miles to the north, farms that have been in families for generations lie dilapidated. Equipment is old, and there are few signs of construction.
Karen Moreau is the Executive Director of the New York State Petroleum Council and is passionate about the plight of these residents. “He (Governor Cuomo) wiped out the hopes, the dreams, the opportunity for economic salvation for thousands and thousands of struggling farm families, rural communities and others who have stood by, civilly waiting, expecting the government to do the right thing, to do the honest thing, and instead this is what they were given,” she said.
Moreau characterizes the stark difference on either side of the state line as “East Berlin and West Berlin,” citing added burdens of excessive property taxes and some of the most expensive natural gas in the country. “For a 200 acre dairy farm with a modest home and buildings that aren’t so great, the property taxes are $20,000 a year,” she says. “Even though they have all this natural gas in the ground, they really don’t have any infrastructure, so their energy costs are among the highest in the nation as well,” Moreau added, saying it’s not unusual for families to burn wood to provide heat.
Cuomo instilled the permanent ban on December 17, 2014 following comments by acting health commissioner, Dr. Howard Zucker who said, “I consider the people of the state of New York as my patients. We cannot afford to make a mistake. The potential risks are too great, in fact they are not fully known.”
A recent Quinnipiac University poll indicated most New York voters agree with the Governor’s decision by a 55-25 percent margin.
In a double-blow to Southern Tier residents, on the same day Cuomo instilled the permanent fracking ban, the state also shot down two applications for casinos in the region.
Although acknowledged as a long shot, state legislator, Republican Tom Libous of Binghamton, mailed a survey to his constituents asking if they were interested in secession. Realigning state lines would require coordinated efforts from both state legislatures and the federal government. Meanwhile, these New Yorkers will continue to look across the border and will observe continued economic prosperity through the years, realizing the only thing separating them are a few very long miles.
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Good luck with that...NO ONE LEAVES THE UNION!....
They don't want to leave the union. They just want to be part of Pennsylvania. I have some personal experience with this nat gas PA/NY line stuff. One family farm on the PA side... big bucks flowing in from the drilling companies extracting from under their land. Meanwhile, their 2nd cousins with land the other side of the border in NY.... subsistence farming.
Its surreal.
By the way, there's mafia money involved in this stuff, too, from what I heard. NY guys knew about this nat gas drilling stuff YEARS ago, went around buying up land in God's country in NE PA.
Now, NY is never gonna let a handfull of counties join another state. That's ridiculous. Getting rid of Cuomo would be a lot less ridiculous.
I have distant family that used to work the salt mines in Livingston County. Fracking would be a lot worse for that area.
Fracking is bad for everyone except the companies profiting from it, but Cuomo is worse.
That area needs everything it can get. Economy is in tatters, and people left in droves. They were building a pipeline (Millenium IIRC) that would handle gas transport and then Cuomo (what is it with nepotism?) crawfished on drilling.
Man that place is fucked.
Good place to grow up, terrible place to live now.
pods
Good place to grow up, terrible place to live now.
Sad but true. There is a reason I don't live in upstate NY anymore.
Everytime we go back we see it get just a bit older. Most of the people there are immune to seeing things as they are. Must be a defense mechanism. Drove down the main business street in Endicott last time we were there (Endicott of EJs and IBM fame) and it was awful. Most shops closed and rif raf everywhere. Everyone has a beaten down look about them. Can't tell if people are homeless or just loitering because they have little to do.
pods
I blame Howard Kunstler.
I supposed we just move to bigger and better things, but will always remember where we came from. (Upstate new yorker too)
Pods, it wasn't all that long ago that they had a senator named Hillary Clinton who promised unicorns and rainbows for upstate NY. Glad she delivered for the good people of western NY...
I travel to Rochester several times a year for business, and I used to pity the people up there who are slaves to the deviants from downstate. But they just keep taking it up the ass and they continue to do nothing.
Not getting into the red v. blue thing, just LMAO about how corrupt the political class really is, and how stupid the people who still "believe" in them. I am not particularly a fan of fracking, but I am a fan of secession, so I will take this as net positive if it will get people talking about the alternatives to the current path into certain destruction.
When I was living there we had an equally worthless Senator named Daniel Patrick Moynihan. Been a long time since anyone in NYC made decisions that were in the best interest of upstate.
NYC, only exist because they dominate the State Assembly. Because they dominate the State Assembly they suck the life from Long Island and Upstate to subsidize the city's infrastructure and "benefits". NYC would cease to exist if Upstate and especially LI succeeded. Eastern Suffolk and the rest of Suffolk have talked about succession for years but again no action because the general population doesn't understand how it would help. The common talk on long island is 3 dollars go up to Albany and one dollar comes back.
Long Island needs New York City to survive as well. Money does not grow on trees in Long Island last I heard.
Syracuse U., where I studied
Isn't that where all the jews that don't get into Cornell go?
That is SUNY B, better known now as "Binghamton University."
pods
Founded by "The Captain" of McHale's Navy I presume...
"We demand the right to spoil our ground water" seems a dubious rallying cry.
This is EXACTLY the attitude driving the factions apart. Taking your 'spoiled water' comment at face value, a farmer choosing between a $2 million payday and a useless backyard well is going to opt for the payday. They can buy bottled water with the money (plus a whole lot more).
If you were a rational envio-freak, you'd admit that the farmer deserved compensation for NOT pulling the oil/gas out of the ground, and you'd raise the taxes to compensate that farmer with a vast re-distribution scheme on the banksters in NYC.
But instead, you rely on brute force . . . until another force says 'Come and Take It'.
Those folks might want to review what the psychopaths did to people who had similar motivations in eastern Ukraine.
It seems to me that there doesn’t seem to be much philosophical difference between Albany and Kiev.
"Taking your 'spoiled water' comment at face value, a farmer choosing between a $2 million payday and a useless backyard well is going to opt for the payday"
gotta love that all American short sighted selfish fuck all & else thinking.
"fuck the commons", if the price is right, is JUST as bad as "from each according to his ability...".
you will pay for water soon a fucking insane money
Take the payday and sacrifice your future. You think any of the people whose water supply was spoiled by fracking really are looking into their kids inheriting the land now?
Your inheritance will now be $2,000,000 at a time when the country is at its least productive and stagflation eats away at your inheritance. Just don't drink the water son/daughter.
We demand the right to watch those that can't afford bottled water and expensive water filtration systems to die spitting blood!
Yea! And not just spit blood because of fracing - watch em get really warm too! Like even uncomfortable, because of Global Warming! Hehe, I bet they're boiling in that area right now. I think that I heard its the warmest time that has ever been recorded there, ever! HaHa how do you want them medium rare or well done?
no, the previous poster is correct.. the 1% stole the resources and now what's left (the populace) arescrambling for ways to subdivide the crumbs even if it means destroying the very critical life giving resources - be advised i beliieve in capitalism and competition, just that competition was murdered with the legal tender laws in the 1850s, thank Salmon Chase and his buddies. I'm sure several wrote dissenting opinions to create plausible deniability. It's sick - the inheritance that God gave all, and the productivity gains that man created (scientists and engineers) has been stolen using false weights and measures (fake currency system).
Nobody can frack you like the Govt. If NY State would increase it's taxes on groundwater use, they may put off defaulting a little longer.
The cry of "polluted groundwater" from fracing is how people can recognize someone who is simply a parrot.
There are a couple of reasons why fracing should face scrutiny, but groundwater pollution isn't one of them. Farming, road salt, and municipal waste should headline that conversation. However, if you care about the amount of fresh water then the fracing discussion is a perfectly valid one. Fracing involves pumping a bunch of sand and water down the wellbore to crack open the rock. To my mind, the biggest problem is that ~80% of the water stays down there, never to return. Think about that. We are effectively dissapearing water to gain oil and gas. As a human population, we have put ourselves in a tough spot. Aside from crop modification, the green revolution doesn't happen without fossil fuels and a whole lot of water. The population doesn't explode without food to feed it. So, here we sit with 7.3 billion people who need both water and fossil fuels (food) to survive and we need to use one half of the equation to supply the other. Bummer.
More on the topic of this article; the vast majority of upstate citizens of New York wish the city would fall off into the ocean and go away. I think most of the world wishes the same thing.
I think the same applies to Illinois and Chicago. The differences in politics between the city and state are day and night. Hell, Pat Quinn won the governor's race in 2010 by basically campaigning almost exclusively in the Chicago metro area b/c with the sheer numbers of people there that were in his generally leaning in his favor, he just had to get "enough," which he did by the thinest of margins.
When the city slips under Lake Michigan, just give me a head's up so I can take that vacation somewhere. Which would be tragic, b/c it would take the good with the filth.
give one document case of this? Mot of the caases I have seen...the water was polluted long before fracking. I do think it should be monitored.....but you must be reading the DailyKOS or Huffington Post for your infor
It's better than that. It's a hilarious combination "we will never admit that this place is economically dead as can be and, like sensible people, get the fuck out - like all the smart people did 2-4 decades ago, so instead we want handouts cause this is unfair" with "it is our god-given right to squander every last resource this land has, what happens when the oil/gas runs out in a few decades and all that's left is an even-more-poisoned ecosystem but now with lovely mcmansions and shopping amenities? WHO CARES, WE'LL BE DEAD BEFORE THAT!"
This latest "let's become Pennsylvanian" is "if you don't let me have my way I'll hold my breath 'til I turn blue". So they're blaming Cuomo for what might be the only good thing he'll ever do.
can't matter that waiting for everyone there to sell out cheap may just be the plan.
Now, NY is never gonna let a handfull of counties join another state. That's ridiculous. Getting rid of Cuomo would be a lot less ridiculous.
Agreed!
Impossibility when you are living under the boot heel of the Communists in NYC and surrounding environs. In fact, you would think Cuomo would want them out so his percentage of the vote is even closer to that of Saddam Husseins.
"Government isn't the solution to our problem. Government is the problem." R.Reagan
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The greater the tyranny, the harder the push for separation.
Of all the reason to secede, that would be one of the dumber ones.
So economic livelihood or lack thereof is not existential enough for those in the southern tier? What would your reasons be to secede from an entity?
The counties should hire former Assembly Speaker Sheldon Silver to represent them in their bid for fracking rights. But they better do it fast before Silver's license to practice law gets lifted in response to his indictment.
Can the Governor just declare a ban without the Legislature passing it?
As much as I hate Cuomo...sorry...but fracking is just plain stupid. Only idiots poison their land and water supply. Fracking is gay sex to the earth.
It doesn't have to be, and some more responsible operators are better than others. Seems to me it would be helpful for government to encourage operators to operate in ways that do not wreck the environment. Banning fracking altogether seems like a blunt instrument. Government by Hulk, as it were.
Then the government would have to double its subsidization of this totally state-created farce industry, or the stuff would remain underground and there would be no shale miracle.
"It doesn't have to be, and some more responsible operators are better than others. Seems to me it would be helpful for government to encourage operators to operate in ways that do not wreck the environment. Banning fracking altogether seems like a blunt instrument. Government by Hulk, as it were."
Too much work, not enough payouts..
Are you basing that fracking statement on Matt Damon's scientific credentials?
Semiotically speaking,....
This was the tip off.
http://www.nbcnews.com/health/cancer/pink-drill-bits-bring-complaints-ko...
haha gay sex to the earth, well if you put it that way...
3 Regiments from Richmond VA arrived to support in curiously quick fashion.
how pathetic.
LOL!!! Now Yankees want to seceed? Fuck, maybe it is the end of the world????
Hell no, you take New York with you and keep it or no deal.
Actually a good thing for NYC & Long Island, become a kind of "Reverse Hong Kong or Singapore", full of the scum of the Earth. NY state could get back to being a normal place without having the domineering appendage.
The article lacks any information why fracking in this area would make sense at current oil prices.
This article lacks any information why fracking would make sense.
There, fixed it for ya.
Just a hit piece on Cuomo along the lines of 'he took our jobs' meme. What a shit cause to promote secession.
Is better than the cause of slavery, I mean states' rights.
Even at $110/bbl it almost certainly does not make sense from a net-energy perspective or a financial perspective considering a horizon more than at most 10 years out. No one cares, they just want their gimmedats NOW.
Because it is THEIR property and they should be able to do with it as they wish. Isn't this reason enough? Plus, they pay 'rent' (aka taxes) on the property to the .gov. If the .gov wants to dictate what they can do with the property then the .gov needs to start paying the landowners 'rent'.
Wolf,,, America's latest communist governor.
If you like your fracking, you can keep your fracking. On a serious note, if your dumb enough to allow fracking under your property, i dont care if you secede. What a bunch of babies, dont complain when the constitution is steped on, whine when they cant pollute their land.
Let 'em go. They could rename their state "Quaketopia" or "Newdumbshitland". It'll be fun to watch.
They're not creating a new state. Try reading next time.
Frakistan has a familiar ring to it.
Chemcadia sounds "forward looking." (Cascadia without all the damn trees).
Cretinstan. This will take a generation to become evident but watch the foreheads on the "little ones" in Kindergarten at Halliburton Elementary School: their foreheads will start sloping by third grade and they will drool when they try to think. Next generation will need to be reminded to breathe through their noses and to pick their knuckles up when they walk.
Frackylvania. A sylvan setting with soft breezes bearing a slight whiff of chemicals and benzene.
We already have a town called Frackville.
Just a quick ride down 81 from Shamokin.
Cuomo was a diaster at HUD, now he is working his magic in NY
Cuomo is the magic himself
americans are done, they are too stupid...((((
It takes Fracking for this. After over the top gun laws passed. They want their ground busted up and polluted. Then they will bitch about earthquakes.
We dont want those morons down here. In addition, we in N PA realize what a sham fracking is. However, we're a pretty toothless bunch, like the Beverly Hillbillies.
This is so stupid, it's pathetic even. Fracking will die it's death here, too. One can only hope it comes quickly. Libous and his cohorts are scam artists, aka politicians. He's fattned up his friends and families on cushy .gov jobs and gorged himself at the public trough all the while watching the destruction of the Southern Tier. I have family just across the broder. The stories they tell.
Sadly, NY is where it all began...the Revolutionaries...250 years ago. This is what we have now: Libous laughing at his constituents with a survey. What has he done for his people? What have any of them done? IBM disintegrated. They replace it with a state office in a former IBM building.
Boston holds the distinction of being the home of the American Revolution starting in 1770 with the Boston Massacre, but fully armed conflict began in April 1775 with the Redcoats ill-fated march to Concord to seize Colonial powder and weapons which culminated with the miltias blocking Charlestown Neck and instigating the Seige of Boston.
Washington's first command almost a year later, was to oversee the captured guns from Fort Ticonderoga in NY being placed on Dorchester Heights which overlooked Boston Harbor and the British troopships anchored there. The Brits skedaddled to Halifax, Nova Scotia.
The Green Mountain Boys, Nathan Hale and Benedict Arnold didn't take the English Fort until May 1775 in reaction to the earlier events in Boston.
While Boston was kicking ass, New York was still kissing ass as it was the home of the Loyalists. Those are the facts of the matter as any Boston Yankee will be happy to point out to any New Yorker who would claim otherwise.
Isn't the fracking industry going bankrupt anyway? What's the point?
What a sad, desperate, and pathetic place the US has become..people are this desperate for any kind of job or money where they are willing to poison their land and water supplies in order for a very short lived burst of income (maybe) and then permanent decline.
We're Amuricans and we reserve the god given right to poison ourselves gawd darrnit.
I made the case on another post that it all goes back to population control. I went to a rally once, a Greenpeace sponsored thing about global warming (which I don't buy, reliable data disproves it), but there was this old lady there, and she said the problem wasn't global warming, it was "global swarming". I would say now, looking back, she was totally right. Imagine the problems that would disappear if the world population was only 10% of what it is now. The fault lies with government policies and models of economic growth. If we really want to move forward and save the planet, the easiest way is through planned, slow population reduction until we hit a point where the pressure on natural resources comes into balance with demand. This requires some planning and smarts, to sustain a viable economy that can contract with minimal pain. Don't, however, expect it from the guys in power now.
Say, that's a good idea. How come nobody has thought of this before? You're a freaking genious. So what, around 500,000 people? That should do. Maybe we should get a club together and discuss the ways in which we can reduce the population. You know, the proper eugenics mechanism. Say we meet in Rome and we can invite John Holdren and Maurice Strong and David Rockefellah, you know, people with some clout that can make some things happen. Oh, I know, we can call it the Club of Rome! What should we call the agenda though? Hmmmmm. Well, I have 21 ideas for that......
And we can start by eliminating you. Then your ilk. By the time we get rid of all the people calling for population reduction it should be under control.
It is interesting to see non-indigenous entities fight over stolen land.
I say 'entities' because there is something very non-human about 'them'.
Once in the land now called 'North America', before any evil entities, or 'white' entities infested the land,
one could have drank pure clean water from any river or stream, and breathed air so pure, it would tingle your nostrils.
These non-indigenous entities claim to have brought 'advancement' to the land they infested and destroyed:
"[I]n contrast, only a few miles to the north, farms that have been in families for generations lie dilapidated.".
That is not 'advanced'.
It took 'advanced' technology and wisdom to make the land pure in the first place.
The true indigenous human population of the land now called 'America' were offered the same so-called 'advanced' technology and ideology that the non-indigenous entities use currently, but declined because the true indigenous humans had the 'wisdom' to see the dangers of the use of these evil technologies.
Sorry dude, but that's bullshit. Indians routinely burned their surroundings if a wildfire didn't natually occur.
Please feel free to drink from and "pure" stream. Have fun with giardia....I sure did.
Indians had areas that they controlled. Just like we do today. If Indians had figured out how to work iron before the Europeans arrived, the outcome wouldn't have been a whole lot different.
You said:
"[I]ndians routinely burned their surroundings if a wildfire didn't natually occur." (You spelled 'naturally' incorrect.)
That's called 'sanitizing' the ground. It made the seeds pop out and the grasses grow.
The SAME way the rye grass growers DO currently. Take a drive up I-5 in the Willamette Valley in the 'field burning season' and see the 15 car pile-ups because of choking smoke from acres of 'field burning'.
You can thank your non-indigenous 'white' entities for bringing your giardia to the land now called 'America':
Giardia lives inside the intestines of infected humans or other animals. Individuals become infected through ingesting or coming into contact with contaminated food, soil, or water.
So, this land now called 'America' was not contaminated either in water or soil to make the human indigenous population sick.
Sickness was 'imported' to the land now called 'America' by the non-indigenous 'white' entities.
This 'control' you mention was to keep out the evil 'non-indigenous entities', see this:
http://a.disquscdn.com/uploads/mediaembed/images/981/9782/original.jpg
By the way, are you afraid of wasps? Would you ever let a wasp just land on you with no reaction?
Dude, I'm an engineer. Misspelling shit comes with the territory. You understood the intent anyways.
You seem to be ascribing some metaphysical protocol to Indians on their day to day life and their interaction with their environment. Which Indians are we talking about specifically? I have first hand knowledge of a few tribes from family interactions (Chickasaw primarily), and a few more through friendships (Creek, Kiowa, etc). They can be as different as night and day. If you think Indians somehow monopolized the market on interacting with their environment on a sustainable level, you've missed the boat entirely. The problem is the rate at which things are done now (directly correlated with population). Indians crashed their local environments too (Mayans, Cahokia). They don't get a pass on this.
North America is a pretty resilient environment. If the Indians had learned to work iron, the dominant tribe would have quickly rose to the top, much like anywhere else. There eventually would have been a clearly defined division of labor, etc. (the SE tribes had this anyways) and industrialized. Indians are just people like everybody else. They are no better, or worse, no more wise, or idiotic than anybody else.
"I'm an engineer. Misspelling shit comes with the territory. "
only if you are a dumb engineer.
Meh. Nice strawman... Back on topic now.
Re: Sickness was 'imported' to the land now called 'America' by the non-indigenous 'white' entities.
And what was that STD that the early Spanish explorers brought back to Europe?
And the whole concept of "indigenous entities" is bogus anyway. Throughout recorded history migrations of vast numbers of people have occurred, usually displacing the people who already lived there. What happened in the Americas happened all over Europe, Asia and Africa in earlier millenia. You can complain all you want, but the fact is that humans always have done that sort of thing. By limiting your complaint to N. America you're making yourself look like an anti-Caucasian racist.
You do know what a controlled burn is, yes?
Oh, the Indians had Fire Departments and brush pumpers? Who knew?
You should maybe read some real anthropology rather than that Nobel Savage Zinnophilia crap.
How about the Mound-builders that grew a city-state beyond the size that a landscape could support and died out and left the area. Indians regularly altered the landscape to suit their needs by slash and burn techniques to encourage hardwood nut bearing trees to grow more numerous than the local flora and created grasslands to draw the prairie buffalo further eastward out of it's natural habitat as just a couple of examples.
Mans activities always alter the course of his natural surroundings and more times than not create ecological disasters that force them to move on. It's just a question of degree and speed of the demise or his subsequent actions to mitigate a ecological collapse that will sustain a population.
It was the primary reason for mass immigrations among ancient people whose societies grew large enough to exhaust their landscapes.
Ah yes, the perfectly angelic indigenous peoples meme. You might want to crack (frack?) open an actual history book.
So you don't subscribe to the noble savage ideal? That's ok, I'm sure you have your reasons. A clearer distinction would be between a leaver culture versus a taker one. Why aren't those family farms thriving anymore? That is the question.
Slant Drill.
you guys keep believing your Saudi funded greenpeace "research" on fracking.
Apparently they do. Not to mention the last movie funded by the Saudi's. Just for the ignorant Methane gas is common in certain areas. It was even there before fracking...
Russia elites and U.S. love fracking
Russia’s Roman Abramovich Invests $15M In Texas Propell Technologies (Fracking)
this is RAW comedy, here
do I like nanny state? no. but do i want morons to destroy my country for a few quick bernakebux now? FUCK NO
idiots.
What is a Secession? Do they even teach that in publik skool?
Limousine liberals trying to tell the Common Folk how they can live (yet again). What the hell do a bunch of shitheads in NYC/Albany care about fracking in the southern tier?!
All of NY south of the thruway should go to PA, not because of fracking but because of NYC and Cuomo
Most of the residents of NYS will tell you they feel like they pay too much taxes. 'Propping up the city', as they say.
Does someone checks the products of the shiny new farms for radioactivity and toxin levels... you know, fracking releases huge quantities of polluted waters which, somehow, ends up in the aquifers (as noted by this very site, btw: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-11-17/3-billion-gallons-fracking-wast...)
Oh, and let's conveniently forget the little detail of fracking related heartquakes (http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-02-21/usgs-confirms-oklahoma-quakes-a...)
After all, it's totally for honest reasons that the Executive Director of the New York State PETROLEUM Council cares for teh farmers. Good heart!
It's hilarious you morons think that hydro fracturing causes earth quakes.
You probably actually think oil comes from dinosaurs and that pangea was an actual continent.
You are in the same league as creationists.
Right. Silly belief. Except: http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2...
And it must be sad to have an akin to creationist government: http://earthquake.usgs.gov/research/induced/
Notoriously, creationist-like people publish on peer-reviewed journals: http://www.sciencemag.org/content/341/6142/1225942
Also
- Anthropogenic Seismicity Rates and Operational Parameters at the Salton Sea Geothermal Field (Emily E. Brodsky and Lia J. Lajoie)
- Enhanced Remote Earthquake Triggering at Fluid-Injection Sites in the Midwestern United States (Nicholas J. van der Elst, Heather M. Savage, Katie M. Keranen, and Geoffrey A. Abers)
Get lost.
Get lost. How quaint.
This is (still?) fight club. Try:
Fuck you, asshole.
Stick it up your ass, fuckwad.
Essentially the same meaning, just delivered with more force and passion. Plus, all the pro-fracking clowns deserve it and you will feel better.
Fight club: the story of a schizophrenic man, frustrated by his job and lack of meaningful relationships, losing grip with reality, with an acute self-harm tendency bordering to masochism mediated by external associations and overall delusion of grandeur.
Pretty much the everyday retail investor and not really something I identify with. I'll keep using the "get lost", if you don't mind.
Btw, quaint goes well with old-fashioned and conservative, so I'll take it as a compliment, thank you.
Uh Actually the air force proved this after doing testing in the 1950's.... Fracking does cause earthquakes
At least they are producing something they can point to as tangible. The rest of it (the revenue) seems to just disappear...
and you dear sir are in the same league as the idiots wake up outofcontrol.
I find it curious that the environmentalists have convinced nearly everyone that fracking kills but there is next to zero evidence that anyone has been harmed by fracking. Yes, in California the state allowed frackers to pump their wastewater into wells - typical government retard bureaucrats. But fracking itself is not done in aquifers. If they could get a handle on what to do with the fracking wastewater, fracking itself is not a public health hazard.
Sounds like you have a 5 year old's understanding of how fracking actually works.
shhhhh. stop making sense. anti- frackers dont like it.
Just like they figured out what to do with all the fuel rods from the reactors for the last 60 years.
"If they could get a handle on what to do with the fracking wastewater, "
see, even you are going to get it sooner or later. miniscule kanoli
Why is everyone on this thread repeating the "poison water" meme? Are these all the people that bought tickets to Matt Damon's debunked movie?
Matt Damon is an Obama voting asshole.
I find it unfortunate that all those who complain about various forms of energy generation - fracking, nuclear energy, coal p[lants, etc. - don't align their actions with their beliefs: Stop driving. Stop using electricity. Grow your own food and pump your own water.
Hypocrites. All of us. It's just a matter of degree.
You idiots in south NY don't remember the Love Canal?
Was it right near Sodomy Alley?
I can't understand why they think they'll be any better off in Pennsylvania. People here have already doomed fracking by hiring their new governor Wolf, who has promised to tax the bejesus out of fracking operations to go on a state spending spree (you know, "vote for me and get free stuff"). So once again, you will do all the work, and get none of the money. That stuff in the ground is for the government, not the people. And remember, it used to be 'government by the people, for the people'. Now it's two distinct classes: The government, and the ruled.
americans are living in dreamland
It is a confused state induced by various chemical adulterants. Eat, breathe, drink and there it is.
I don't know where this fits, but I'll put it here. Zero Hedge in the 2008-2009 time frame provided deep background insight into the financial crisis that was shocking. The financial crisis is well along and at this point as one might expect, the story is known and understood and the daily articles are so much like a description of moving one more deck chair around on the Titanic.
I think it is a time for ZH to create for lack of a better term, a "clean slate" section. Taking a cue from the Founders of the country, they did not attempt to tweak here and tweak there on British rule, but wrote a document of government as it should be called the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution.
Today, there are other voices, many other voices who write to a "clean slate". How things should be for the greater good of society. Ellen Brown's insight on her book, The Public Bank Solution reveals workable solutions for the benefit of ordinary people and the real economy.Others speak for justice: Michael Hudson and Bill Black, Jim Grant comes to mind, and David Stockman. How long are intelligent voices going to be crushed by a system clearly run by psychopaths?
This "Clean Slate" section would not tweak on the current system, but would define a more equitable system and practical ways for implementing it, even if it means wholesale arrest, prosecution and jailing of all of those in the current financial system and how that could be accomplished.
system is dead, what are you talking about? they can't fix it, period.
That's precisely the point. There is no point in trying to fix it. It must be erased.
i know, im smart=) That's why it's stupid to talk to much about dead system.
I don't see how this is any of the federal government's business. The New Yorkers should not need the approval of the feds or New York to secede. They should only need Pennsylvania's approval to join Pennsylvania.
You rebel scum, I shall inform Gen. Cornwallis of your seditious language and surely His Grace will reward me with tracts in Ohio!
Most of Upstate and rural NY vote Republican and they will not be allowed to prosper under any circumstances by a Democratic administration in Albany.
secede so you can destroy what is left of the environment.
these amis are f*ckin' crazy.
never have so many known so little about anything.
is the world ever going to wake up to their insanity.
if they are not destroying someone else's country, they are destroying their own.
such exceptional people they are.
born and bloodied in genocide.
they have now turned on themselves.
dod eat dog lol
The babies don't need pristine water and voc-free air?
We're so fucking doomed. Family farms in NY are being CRUSHED by things like $20,000 in annual property taxes, which in itself is reason enough to put thieving government heads on pikes.....but NO. The cause that gets NYers riled up is the right to get in on the FRACKING train....so they can better afford to pay the aforementioned taxes.
Fuck, fuck, fucketty-fuckensteinenbergerfuck.
Someone has to pay for that delightfully diverse 'urban culture' that the city dwellers enjoy.
Dear Mr. Cuomo: End My Fracking Agony!: http://prestonclive.whotrades.com/blog/43437779047
What, the guy finally makes a sound decision, and now the populace wants to castrate him? I'm in the business, and fracking has always been a nightmarish Pandora's box-prospect. Enjoy your condensate, drones.
My TV said secession is crazy and a crackpot scheme and we should stop celebrating it every July 4th.
OK, I have to weigh in, since I've lived in upstate NY (Rochester) most of my 61 years.
First, the ban on fracking was the ONLY thing the guv has done that I agree with.
Second, a few years back, a friend of mine had an energy person visit him to explain the details of a fracking "partnership." Basically, they come in, destroy a huge swath of land and, if they hit gas, you get a whopping 1% of the gross. As usual, a fuck job by the people with the money and connections.
Third, if you've even been to some of those southern NY counties, like Allegheny and Steuben, the natural beauty of the place is astounding (unless you don't like snow in the winter, then, it's just depressing). Teeming with flora and fauna, it's one of the more pristine and gorgeous places in the country.
The BS about the taxes - and, yeah, they are high and out of line - if you can't make good on 200 acres and the $20k tax bill is too much to take, I'd suggest selling off some of that land, or, at the least, leasing it, either to farmers or hunters, trappers. And, BTW, if it's raw, undeveloped land, the taxes are a lot lower than $20K. Closer to maybe $50 an acre. I suspect most of that $20K quoted is on "improvements," like a house, barn, etc.
I hope some of these people get really distressed about not being able to destroy their property with a bunch of CAT equipment, drills, pipes and assorted pollutants for their big payday. I'd like about 20 acres for myself, thank you. And keep the fuck off it once I own it, assholes.
As far as food and the number of people on this planet is concerned, I suggest more lazy, fat-assed Americans get out in their back yards and grow some stuff. Not that hard once you get the basics down. I have a tiny 20x30 plot and I have to give stuff away in the summer. As a matter of fact, I still have a huge (9 lbs) spaghetti squash that I'm thinking of opening up later today. Set it on my unheated stairwell with a few others and they kept from October until just a few weeks ago.
Seriously, during the summer, my food bill is about $10-15 a week, just for meat. The rest, I grow.
Forgot to mention that the economy up here is dreadful, but, that's why I run my business on the internet. If more people would like to leave, please, don't let the beautiful springs, summers and autumns deter you. I personally despise winter, but, it does help to recharge the environment and gives me an adequate excuse not to go anywhere or have to see people for a few months.
If people can't hack it here, please, go. But, make sure half of you are useless eaters, which includes kids in school and welfare recipients. Old farts can stay, especially the ones who hire me to do shit they're unable to do. The day I can't rake leaves, climb ladders or shovel snow, put a fork in me. Until then, cash only, fuckwads.
why frack when you can just sell your kids. More money for less work. then you can get that remodel you've been dreaming about.
Evidence suggests patriots and truth seekers are being subjected to insidious means of mind control—and crowd control—through a covert campaign now being orchestrated across the Internet. - See more at: http://americanfreepress.net/?p=13571#sthash.gq635ARB.dpuf
Disinformation has been around a long time. There has never been any doubt in my mind that much of what I rea or see on the internet is suspect. Any suggestions on how to differentiate?
Stop poisoning the earth, the babies and each other!
Nothing else makes any sense.
Gov "how many bullets do ya need ta killa dea" Cuomo is a fascist thru and thru. May he rot in Hell.