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Apple Watch May Be DOA As Cook Admits Battery Life As Low As 3 Hours
The Apple Watch may be pretty... but you are going to need up to 8 of them to make it through a full day. While Tim Cook proclaimed 18 hours of "all-day battery-life" - itself not particularly impressive compared to competing products, hidden deep in Apple Watch's product page is a little admission that battery life (in use) could be as low as 3 hours...
The admissions are significantly less than the 18 hours that Apple chief executive Tim Cook announced in the glitzy launch on Monday.
They could prove a major problem for users who will have to charge up multiple times in a day using the magnetic clip-on charger.
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He claimed it would be "revolutionary", but now it seems that the battery might be what one tech website described as its "Achilles Heel".
On its website, Apple gave figures for battery life based on the smaller 38mm (1.4 inch) version. The 42mm (1.7 inch) version will last longer, though no figures were given.
Leaving it in reserve mode will last up to 72 hours, and leaving it in "Watch Test" mode will last up to 48 hours.
But should you use any of the features Mr Cook talked about in his press conference, it will last significantly less.
Apple tried to make the figures more impressive by giving an example of a typical user chewing up their 18 hours of battery life as follows: 90 time checks (five per hour), 90 notifications, 45 minutes of app use, and a 30-minute workout with music playback via Bluetooth.
But on the product page of the watch website, it also gave the lower figures for talking or using it to workout.
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Remember Google Glass?
Battery life had been an issue with Google’s Glass eyewear - now discontinued - and when connected to the Internet it lasted just 30 minutes.
And here's Bloomberg to explain the problems with the $10,000 edition...
There has been no mention yet at all of the biggest elephant in the room: what do you do with a solid gold watch when it becomes obsolete? One would hope for some kind of trade-in or recycling program that prevents all that gold from sitting unused in a drawer, but it will likely be a while before we know of anything real. (Many $10,000 mechanical watches actually rise in value after you purchase as the years go by.)
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Can last up to one week if powered off.
Remember when NASA augured that probe into the surface of Mars?
It's something like that.
I-RipOff!
I must be missing something. I already have a watch powered by a battery which lasts for, oh, about 2 years.....although I admit that I cannot recharge it and must then replace it at a cost of about 5 bucks.
Well, that is also an indication of time.
And with 4 watches on every arm, You will make it around the clock too... (and be very very hipster as a bonus).
Dupe
Who the fuck looks at thier watch every 12 minutes for 18 hours?
The same people who look at their smartphone every 5 minutes for 18 hours per day. You can tell them by their distended necks.
Cook'n the books.
This is hilarious people. I have on my wrist a watch of a design that might as well be 100 years old. It is analog, and self-winding... and as long as I wear it every day, it winds itself up.
Yet Apple... the worlds highest valued technology company... couldn't find a way to build a watch that self-charges to some degree? Amateurs, the lot of them. It's like their engineers have never heard of electromagnetism.
Battery technology was always going to be the limiting factor in putting a computer on your wrist. I see the Apple strategy is to ignore the issue completely, resulting in a product that works only if it isn't used.
In their favor is the fact that consumers have not proven themselves to be too terribly bright.
That's true, battery life is always going to be the limiting factor... But consider how much motion a wrist makes each day, I'll bet you could squeeze another 3 hours out of the device with a counterweight-spun generator, or more than one. AFAIK they're already considering doing something similar with some other wearable electronics.
LOL that nigga is tryin to sell a watch. What a fag!
Nubee hit it on the nose. The iwatch (and android equivs) won't take hold till they become self winding.....if I wear such a beast, I don't want to EVER have to charge it.
Also (point 2)...why the hell did they constrain themselves to make it look like a watch? They could have a strap on wrist gizmo about 3-4 times the size that don't need a phone in your pocket....full phone functionality and iphone size screen.
My prediction: in 5-10 years, most cell phones will be worn on wrist, have screens closer to present cell phone size than to watch size, be flexible and comfortable, and be self-powering (by wrist motion).
Regarding the quetion on why did they constrained it to look like a watch, I think another question is why they did not utilize the entire form factor for battery.
I look at the wrist band as wasted space, they could have turned the wrist band into a larger battery to have all day battery life. But that would be real innovation.
zaphod - sounds like you and i need to talk about forming a startup.....
or have a built-in mini-nuke, a la the Predator watch.
Kind of like, TSLA?
The watch may be DOA, but that seemed obvious from the first i heard about this a week ago.
Just the price point alone showed it wasnt worth it.
What i think is that it was actually a loss leader type excuse to justify buying over 700 tons of phyzz gold and they probably got it fairly cheap.
They just scooped up more gold than most countries own.
I think Apple is hedging themselves w/ phyzz against the imminent collapse of the dollar and the stock market.
heh. I don't think they're that smart but maybe you'll right. What'll that mean? In 10 years after society has collapsed into warlordism, it'll be the gold-funded hordes of hipsters and metrosexuals ravaging the landscape under Lord Humungus.
I am selling solar power recharger hats......that's the ticket....
No Tyler, he said the extension cord was 18 YARDS
You could also cater to the wind power community with a propeller-beanie version.
They could "body mould" the battery for a convenient cavity location...with a 6 foot cord the possibilities are limitless !
It would be funny to "find the cord" or need to go to a water-closet to swap-out your battery.
(this situation goes there)
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and this is the worst part IMO - you have to have an iPhone within 10' to make the damned watch work!
http://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=229909
fuck all iCrap.
There's a version of the iWatch that runs on propane. You need to run a hose from a tank but you can easily get about three days of use before having to refill the tank. That's in the fine print.
Maybe Christy Turlington-Burns can give out handjobs with each watch.
This thing is a iClusterf**k.
They need to clone Jobs or reanimate him.
It's clear that the Gay One is no Steve
Jobs.
But the battery is easily replaceable, right?
Right?!?
oh..no
You must be Genius certified to touch the battery.
iPass.
I plan on wearing a normal watch so I can tell time when my apple watch and phone run out of juice. This isn't a silly idea at all. I already look like a techno dork for even having apple products, and walking around staring down at my hand all day.
I've never been laid in my life. I'm sure it's because all the ladies are jealous that I'm so hip with my apple products.
If I can't service the battery - I won't buy it. Period.
Fuck Apple products.
the first itouch, iphones and ipads were visionary revolutionary Steve Jobs products.
The apple watch not innovative, revolutionary or great in any way, it's gay and awkward looking. Go figure.
Timmy Cook will run [is running] Apple into the ground like every other CEO except Jobs did.
NOW we know why there was a $17 billion dollar drop in AAPL on announcement.
All the insiders were bailing out like crazy taking advantage of the run up the previous day (and the run up from the gold iMac)
If it only gets 18 hours charge, that means you must charge it TWICE a day, not once! MASSIVE fail!
Even the fanbois will get tired of that... they'll only wear it when they go out on a date with other fanbois...
Hmm...unless the watch actually told you it was same gender attracted it's all just speculation.
Dont really want to get myself into a iSheeple argument, but I cant resist!
Please tell me in what way iPhones where revolutionary! As far as I know the only new invention in it was the inability to multitask and the blocking of non apple bluetooth devices. And oh i forgot, it was also released with only a GSM antenna, thats a really cool feature. Why put 3G in a smartphone?
But yeah, ur right they did a good job comes to helping the FED/ECB push for inflation by raising the overall pricerang for cellphones!
I upvoted and I hate apple products. Apple didn't 'invent' anything. They took existing products and either through their fanbase and / or improvements in the previous design they became popular items.
The pocketPC was around, but the ipod touch made it easy to use by getting rid of the stylus and going to a thumb based, simplistic OS that was easy to use and functional.
mp3 players were around, but apple made it easier to download songs. Their massive marketing campaign compared to other companies and their fanbase made it 'cool' to own one.
Apple never really does sell innovation, but sells the sizzle.
Apple finally jumped the shark. Only a couple gay hipster douche bags will buy that POS.
They'll be the only ones able to afford the $10,000 price tag (even though hipsters are suposed to be poor).
The watches will still somehow wind up on the wrist (perhaps in multiples) of every EBT user you see at the corner grocery.
Nah, I bet you that they are pretty popular at Starbucks and in college libraries though.
pods
OOO iwatch bringing the watch back. I thought actual time would come back in style one day.
Sarc
I'll stick to my Luminox 200m carbon case. I tend to break cheap ass shit
Does your Luminox have a sapphire crystal? Try IWC for an upgrade.
KingGenius sez: 'I'll stick to my Luminox 200m carbon case. I tend to break cheap ass shit'
As for me, I'll stick to my old Longines wind-up watch...
4 Edition editions on each arm... It's a good idea to have a couple of ounces of phyzz "on hand", but there's other options with much less premium involved...
My 1940's Hamilton wind up watch works just fine and quite a classy watch. :-)
The older ones are nice watches.
DavidC
Yeah, but did Christy Turlington advertise it?
DavidC
Better yet...my mother. Was given to her by my father when they got married. Priceless. Seeing the icrap model in gold has nothing on the gold Hamilton.
And my bicycle never needs gas.
My Ecodrive has never needed a battery replacement, nor a "windup case" to keep it going.
Assholes need to stick to their market niche. Does toyota sell hammers?? Wanna be corporate takeover of the entire market in general.
New Oxford Dictionary terms - 2016 edition:
iDouche - person who purchased an iWatch in 2015
iRichDouche - person who purchased the gold iWatch in 2015
iPoor - person who invested in AAPL in 2015
iHomeless - person who worked at APPL in 2015
Who cares if it works?
As long as the AAPL wearer looks cool, I'm guessing.
It probably says in the manual not to turn it on.
There will be an app that turns it on when you come into close proximity to someone you want to impress.
pods
That's the thing, it probably won't look cool the moment everyone has one.
URight!
Mmmmm, Tang, drink of the astronauts
Hey, I like Tang.
:)
Poon flavored is the best...
pootang
Hmm, Joules vs Ergs??
For this to be an effective personal tracking device, they are going to need to improve on that battery life. Keep working on it fellas... You'll get there!
Either that or drone tech has improved dramatically; i.e. it can achieve missile lock in less time than the iWatch has battery.
I just purchased a chinese lookalike apple watch knockoff at the flea market for 5 bucks. It actually tells time without pushing or touching (it can read my freakin' MIND!) and the battery lasts for three years. PLus, I am kool.
Hmmmm. This AAPL product has a rotten core.
They should make an Apple lapel pin like on Star Trek.
"Kirk here."
"He's dead Jim."
That trinket has no staying power...if it cuts out at the bar how will it "save a life."
Help me somebody.
(Eno/Byrne)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxeO0LBR6GY
Exactly. If he weren't dead, this product would never have seen the light of day.
Why pay several hundred bucks when you can grab a 'genuine' one online with 'Free Shipping' from Wuhan for $6.82 ....
My thought also. My last apple product was an apple II clone, so I'm no fanboy, but there is no way in hell Steve would have let this piece of crap get near a product launch.
A few years ago I was browsing through TV channels when I landed on QVC or something like that.
They were selling a (cheap ass) laptop. One of the selling points was battery life. Regular use would have given you 2-3 hours. No mention of that but they kept on saying that in stand-by it will last a week!
Someone must have been sold on that
The low battery alarm fixes everthing ?
The battery died, or someone lied.
Dead in the water ? (heh)
Patient(ly) died.
bring in that tesla boy, he has government funded battery factory in fantasyland
So, you can re-charge it at a Costco, and requires an extension cord ? (heh.)
I now have to vaccum my Girl Scout cookie breakfast off of my keyboard.
5 points for O&O
Can't they just capture all that unused energy from Fukushima?
micro-RTG containing a few milligrams of plutonium, powers the watch for 100,000 years. Warning: for safe use, keep at least a meter of water or cement between the wearer and the device ...
"Can last up to one week if powered off."
The best possible state it could be left in.
Apple watch = "we're out of good ideas"
Get a 60's stainless Rolex Submariner....be happier, own an indestructable appreciating asset, and have more dates too.
What people seem to be forgetting is that Apple is not a tech company. Their product is not the phone or the watch but the consumer himself. They design mindset that you can throw any kind of glittering overpriced junk at and they'll swallow without hesitation. They are a personal status manufacturer. Quoting a comedian - they're a firm that sells personality to those who have none.
Apple watch has one main feature that guarantees its success - it's designed to work with an iPhone and nothing else. Meaning - it's catered to people who had already proven themselves as worthy Apple consumers. It's not designed to attract new users, but to milk the existing crowd, temporarily restoring profit margins that had been steadily eroding over the years. It's designed to be a 1st generation mcguffin. Something that like the collector version can contain less than a troy oz of undiluted gold and be priced at 10.
Apple iWatch is the Tesla Roadster of wearables. If you think people buy electric cars to save money on gas, you're missing it.
WOW! Just fucking WOW!
A 30 minute workout would kill 90% of the people in this country
...and Apple will have the data to prove it. How long does the battery last while collecting all that health data on its users for sale to big pharma?
It's called the Apple Watch instead of the iWatch because they were afraid that would be too close to the truth! (NSA)
iTarget, iProbe, iTyrant.
iProbe? Is Apple getting into the medical device field? iBOHICA?
iWontownanappleproduct
No wonder they used the hot chic in the launch.
Probably were hoping this news broke AFTER the initial wave of sales...
Oops.
Bad news for you - the hot chick was to attract Lesbians, those who Apple marketing have identified as the most likely buyers since the male poofters will likely see the iWatch as not feminine enough...
Where was the hot chick? I thought they just had Christie Turlington Burns, an ugly ex model who thinks someone wants to hear her talk.
No problem! Three hours will likely exceed the average customer's interest in the product.
You can visit the Genius Bar and get plenty of lotion for your emotion.
Does this watch have any Mood settings ? What about a f-off-Mood ?
Very interesting that despite the multi-billions invested in battery R&D (both big and small) over the last 10-20 years they're still basically crap.
If they would release all the inventions/patents sucked up by the big oil just maybe we'd have a better battery
And our cars would run on water instead of requiring gasoline or diesel.
copy them. nobody can enforce a patent in today's IP landscape.
That is VERY interesting. This entire Apple subject reads like excellent fiction.
OK...put a small solar panel on your roof for $5000 (total price and install) that will have a battery system and DC/AC converter, so when you get home at night you can re-charge...green.
The company should offer that as an accessory.
Of course the battery system would be lead-free and impact neutral.
duplicate.
There may never be a better battery, either. There is a problem with very energy-dense electrochemical cells. Beyond a certain point, the item is just a fire-bomb looking for a place to happen.
That is not a shortcoming but a selling ploy. Apple faithful can buy two watches - one for each wrist
So they can blow their wad ambidexterially?
I keep picturing the old Dudley Moore movie, "Crazy People", and the one nut that loved SAABs... It won't start - that's just how this model is, I love it!... It will sell an assload of units, and I will buy another Garmin for running.
Volvo — they're boxy but they're good
There will still be a surge of idiots who "need" this and will purchase it. After that it is dead for anything other than a conversation piece. Or a $350 dollar ipod you wear on your wrist.
I could be wrong though. I don't understand narcissism that well.
pods
Conspicuous_consumption. most humans have an innate need of showing their socioeconomic status. in this, the super-cheap credit available to all throws a spanner in the working
so instead of enjoying bragging rights of having spent hundreds of credit units - something nearly every warm body can do in the "first world" - you enjoy bragging rights about having waited for hours in a line and to be among the first to achieve the buy
from the above wiki article:
"Sociologically, conspicuous consumption was previously thought to comprise social and economic behaviours primarily practiced by rich people. Yet the research of economists, (…), indicated a different understanding: that conspicuous consumption is a socio-economic behaviour very common to the poor social classes and economic groups, and common to the societies of countries with emerging economies.
Among such people, the displays of wealth are used to psychologically combat the impression of poverty, often because such men and women belong to a social class or to an economic group whom his or her society perceives as poor.
Similarly, in The Millionaire Next Door: The Surprising Secrets of America’s Wealthy (1996) the authors reported that Americans with a net worth of more than one million dollars are likely to avoid conspicuous consumption. In contrast, millionaires tend to practice frugality (e.g., they don't finance the purchase of new cars to avoid both the rapid depreciation of new vehicles and paying interest on loans, and instead pay cash for high quality used cars)."
in my experience, there is also a thing about a "hunger" for status behind this. hence the differences in conspicuos consumption between "New Money" and "Old Money"
It is not unheard of to see a new Dodge Charger outside a trailer down here. CC is alive and well.
idk, I never understood CC or more commonly "little man syndrome." Too many "look at me" types running around.
Kudos for using "spanner," I try to work that into my lexicon but on my side of the pond it doesn't go over that well.
pods
Amazing when $350 amounts to "conspicuous consumption," it's a sign of the times, I suppose. A basic quality quartz movement in stainless steel, with a sapphire crystal, is 1500 dollars retail. On that basis, $350 for a watch sort of screams EBT/Visa.
Don't forget the $500-1000 phone in the pocket for the watch to work.
Death to Apple!!
iWatch = Apple deathcross.
(crossed over the event-horizon with Spock)
I Gona wait for the I cheese straightener. It will be carbon fiber , made in a windmill powered factory by gay transgendered black germans
If I had a garage full of never driven Edsels I'd be rich. Just sit back for 50 years.
The anti-apple obsession of ZH is totally misplaced. In fact, if anyone invested based upon ZH, you would have lost a fortune. Then there was the brief moment of promoting Google over Apple by Reggie. HA! I laid down a bet about a year or so ago to him. Where are they now? Battery tech is an achilles heal with every product including cars.
Anyway, blast away all you Apple Haters, and when your clock is finally right again, after a big index wide drop, go celebrate. By keeping your eyes and hate on the watch, you are missing all the tech that Apple is providing to us developers. Look around and see what all the cool kids are using to build the Internet as you know it; Mac Laptops.
Just the software (open source) for medical is opening up new markets, and yet all you see is the watch. A watch that once the rumors mills hit about three years ago many tied to come out first with truly useless undesirable products. You think of Fashion as stupid. Really? Well it is fashionable to hate on the Fed, the rising stock market, Janet Yellen, BenBux, etc., who are the sheep around here?
Cheers
you are so smart--you must be a billionaire by now riding this bull market--why do you waste your time coming to this site--you should be on your yaht with many ladies- or maybe dudes with your love of apple
I have made money on Apple, yes. But actually I enjoy collecting Silver Rounds from the various private mints in the USA. Am I rich, far from it, but I prefer not to hate and do enjoy developing software.
"I prefer not to hate" = multikult lingo for "I've given in".
>and do enjoy developing software.
I've written more throw-away code (perl, c, assembly) as an engineer than most sotware programmers. I never "enjoyed" it.
What I enjoyed was breaking microprocessor designs with my assembly code, forcing the designers to have to pour back through their system verilog code to find out where they fucked up. (and then getting a huge bonus/w executive level stock options because I managed to prevent releasing a buggy product into the marketplace...)
Most code these days is shit. Made by people who "enjoy" developing software.
ZH loves to hate success, SOME of these folks have mexican crab disease, one tries to get out of the bucket and the others reach up and pull it back down. Go back and look at all of the comments by ZH on Apple products. Tyler looks absolutley foolish, Reggie even worse. I've been screaming at the top of my lungs that Apple is a great investment several hundred percent ago. Fucking red arrows all over the place. Not a one will admit that they were wrong, just throw out "fanboi" like they've never had an original thought in their life. Everybody thinks they are so fucking smart but missed the easiest investment in the history of the fucking world. The stock drops 3% from its all time highs and ZH does a story on it. After it's gone up 70 percent in a year, several hundred percent in 5 years, etc. I mean, is it fucking possible to take a step back and look at the big picture and say to yourself, boy I fucking got that one wrong. Not with this fucking crowd. This is fight club and from where I am sitting (on the toilet), ZH and some of you folks need to tighten the fuck up. Rant not off, just taking a break.
Could care less about the price of Apple stock. I could have worked there, but at the time I was approached by them I was golden handcuffed to Sun Microsystems to the tune of over $2.5 million in stock options. Admittedly those were great times until the first Internet bubble burst. (And I did come up with the most reasonable and rational idea as to why it all fell apart...namely if you are sitting on a pile of stock options and making paper gains in a day what it took you a month to work for, you simply don't work that hard. You are waiting to just cash out, and call it quits. And once that mind set spread to everyone in Silicon Valley, then the implosion happened.) Owned some Apple stock, sold it, made a profit. Owned Sun stock, sold it, made a lot more. Didn't get my $2.5 million. But I got enough, and I was deemed much smarter than many of my colleagues who didn't make any money because they thought it would just go higher forever.
Back to the topic at hand...
Ooooh, aaaah, a digital watch with a touch screen and an 18 hour battery life. Clue, this is a worthless toy. I normally don't rant about Apple products because they stuck Unix under the hood of their pc's. However, this is a large step backwards. Will it kill them? No, but this was a completely worthless endeavor on Apple's part. The fact that some group got the funding to bring this product to light speaks volumes about the direction of the company. My suggestion at this point in time to Apple... Find a ball busting CFO that can actually do cost-analysis and refuses to fund projects like this.
Thanks for the input Timmy.
Zombified prick.
Rest my case.
Looks like market gets final word today. Couldn't help myself. Sorry.
AAPL $123 now. I was away, assuming there was a stock-split post Watch announcement?
Don't recall ZH suggesting shorting AAPL, but sure, Apple has clocked Google. Doesn't change the fact that AAPL is still mainly dependent on one commodity product, a phone, with features that are similar to a lot of other manufacturers.
Keeping an eye on AAPL margins, probably a fools game in market that hasn't traded on fundamentals since 2009.
As far as the "clock finally being right" is concerned, yeah fundamentals can get you out WAY too early. But they do get you out. Thats the point, isn't it. Every trade I ever made serious money on looked really really stupid at first.
Agree that the "3 hour" thing could be over-blown, and 18 hours for the first version seems ok.
Rock on.
Apple is based on hype, and one would be a fool to trust the permanency of its revenues, as well as one would be a fool to trust its imminent demise. I am almost certain it will go down to $10-$20 at one point in the future, and may be lower, but I am not sure it won't go to $200 before that. I won't risk any money on something like this, either way...
>18 hours for the first version seems ok.
First rule of those smarter than you... Never buy the first release of a product.
Sounds like every iPhone release to me.
"The anti-apple obsession of ZH is totally misplaced."
I guess that's why ZH crazies like Tim Cook have been selling their shares off like hotcakes.
6 month change in insider ownership:
Insider Trans -38.35%what's the supposed technological advantage of Apple, again ?
It historically has a large market share in the US, so developpers in the US prefer to begin with iOS before porting to other platforms. As far as I can tell, developpers and consumers in Europe (outside the UK, of course) prefer Android. Every discussion I have on this topics boils down to : better price for the hardware, don't want to overpay for the hype:
- my SO replaced her Samsung galaxy note screen for less than 50€ (I guess 35€, but I am not sure)
- her sister paid 150€ to replace the screen of her iphone
Who do you think looks smart, and who looks dumb, in family discussions over Apple vs. Android ? The hype Apple sells is for brainwashed teenagers in the global village. Android is for adults.
ps: and I use nokia/MS, because of the screen, the battery, and the antenna. Don't care about apps
Major benefit of Android is that it's easily forkable. I love the shit out of my xiaomi... i can modify anything on it, i can root it easily, i can load custom roms if i want to, and it's entirely stripped of google everything.
That's the weird thing about apple shit, there are no real options. the morons see their apps as "investments" which is why they are resistant to switching. my phone... i have spent $0 on apps, there is no need to do so. i have rooted it and block all ads. I have gone into each app and individually set permissions. my phone is relatively secure. i can do a full audit of all data as well, and further lock it down.
it cost me like $120 new. and in the us, most who saw it were shocked, liked it, and wanted to know how to get one. apple is a fucking joke.
Xiaomi, Huawei, ZTE & Lenovo/Motorola etc will eventually eat Apple's lunch, and likely Samsung and LG's as well.
Commodity product margins are a bitch.
Just think about how well things would sell if they came set-up without you having to go in and do all that shit in the first place.
its actually really easy. i deny everything by default and then selectively allow as needed
My favorite rom is aokp patched to run PDroid.
Keep jimmi_ing your jon_son. Bitch.
Yeah, I think I'll stick with TAG Heuer. ;-)
Oh, and FU (cr)apple.
I wonder what the actual per item manufacturing cost might be?
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Next to nothing.
the biggest elephant in the room: what do you do with a solid gold watch when it becomes obsolete?
Gives new meaning to the term "goldbrick".
The company made junk in the 80s and they still do. I am proud to own no apple products. The Q99X2 use Linux.
Epic fail..
Does that bracelet come with Yoga instructions ?
Hoping to stretch it out...
The watch that comes with a giant dongle - needs the iPhony to operate.
Does it have a hand-crank version ?
lmao
but isn't that when the next upgrade cycle. I love how with each apple product you have to have....6 month later it must be replaced as the new iphone/ipod is so much better and has a few more features that android(or other) products have had for like 2 years. How long can people be stupid?
since 1984