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First Hillary, Now Chuck Hagel: Former Secretary Of Defense Also Used Private Email
For all the administration's scaremongering about hackers hacking into every possible electronic source that is connected to the internet (and in the case of StuxNet, those that aren't as Iran found out the hard way), it appears that the biggest culprit when it comes to lax communication security was the administration itself. And not just Hillary: moments ago NBC revealed that none other than former Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel, who as a reminder resigned in November following intense scapegoating by Obama who needed to a sacrificial calf following the disastrous midterm elections, also used a personal, non-supervised email address.
According to an NBC investigation, the White House emailed former Secretary of Defense Chuck Hagel at a private email address during his time in charge of the Pentagon, according to an investigation by the News-4 I-Team.
Hagel used two separate BlackBerrys, one of which accessed a private email account and was used for at least a “limited number” of government emails, a Pentagon aide told the I-Team.
On at least one occasion, in October 2013, White House Chief of Staff Denis McDonough wrote to a group of US Cabinet Secretaries and copied a private address: cthsd24@gmail.com – an email that is believed to belong to Hagel.
McDonough wrote to the official, “.gov” email addresses of other Cabinet members. Hagel’s official, “.mil” email address is not seen, but "cthsd24@gmail.com" is listed as a recipient.
When asked about the Gmail account, a Pentagon spokesman said Hagel used two separate phones while serving as Secretary of Defense, including both a governmental and private email account.
“He understood the need to keep the two separate and to keep government business on his official e-mail," the spokesman said. "On some limited occasions an email may have been sent to or from the wrong account.”
Why two accounts? So that when a FOIA request comes knocking, the appropriate response team can legitimately claim all appropriate emails have been tendered. Of course this only refers to emails under a government account; Hegel's account on his personal email are untouchable under FOIA unless explicitly released.
A Pentagon spokesman says Hagel’s successor, Defense Secretary Ash Carter, also had separate personal and governmental email accounts.
A White House spokeswoman declined to comment on why McDonough used a private email address for a government email to a Cabinet member. She referred the I-Team to a prior statement from the White House press secretary about email practices.
The statement reads, “It’s the responsibility of the agencies to maintain their own records management plan, if you will, but they certainly do that in close coordination with the experts at NARA, at the National Archives and Records Administration.”
The Pentagon spokesman told the I-Team said personal email correspondence with other official accounts “would also be retained per policy.”
He said, “Emails received and created by the Secretary of Defense on official e-mail are maintained in accordance with the Federal Records Act (44 USC 3301), DoD and OSD policy and regulations."
For those confused, a pattern has emerged: the Obama administration has turned a blind eye, and in fact may have encouraged, its members to use one or more email accounts for a very simple reason: to avoid the potential humiliation of a FOIA-based or legal discovery request, and limit public accountability. Because once the public demands transparency via FOIA, the only discoverable information would be limited to whatever did not take place on the private account. And there, as Hillary Clinton would like the idiot public to believe, one should just trust these people's judgment that whatever they deleted was very much private, non-confidential, and not in any way a matter of public record.
The most transparent administration ever, indeed.
Of course, all that it would take is for someone on the other side of cthsd24@gmail.com (hegel wasn't as tricky as Hillary to set up his own email server) or hdr22@clintonemail.com, to show that they are in possession of an email that should have been sent via a traceable, government route, and let the civil litigiation commence. Or rather, it would commence if all the judges in the US didn't happen to have "two accounts" themselves...
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Amazing. And all in an effort to avoid those embarrassing 'discovered' emails when in front of Congress. The US leadership should just go to the tried and true art of smoke signals and drums. Or how about hand signals when giving speeches. Oh.....wait....
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But I thought gmail was state-approved...
Gmail is CIA approved, Petraeus was using his account to contact his biographer gal toy. She had access to the account, they would reuse the same email saved as a draft. Once they read the message they would erase the text and write a reply. This way there is no email sending trail.
Which when you think about it, the way Petraus was operating wasn't all that "unsecure" since it took a password to access unsent emails which were then erased. The way Hillary was operating, any hacker in the known universe could tap into state secrects! She should hang for this. Talk about hubris!
If they're using Gmail, it's got nothing to do with security at all, because Google Apps for Business (and a seperate one for government) allow people to set up a Gmail server and webmail instance for their own domain name, giving the US Gov the full security suite of Google at their disposal directly. They chose not to set that up however, so clearly they must have felt Gmail was inferior to their existing infrastructure. Therefore, any use of Gmail for state business is CLEARLY about escaping public disclosure.
< Two wrongs don't make a right.
< Three right turns make a left (turn).
If everybody in government jumped off a cliff would Hillary jump off too? Well we can always hope...
3 Right turns is the government way to make a left.
The only question that remains in my mind is whether these strange folks with the D after their names will be raised to Seraphims or Cherubims at the Rapture.
http://www.angelfocus.com/dionysius%20hierarchy.htm
Many of them are seemingly in training now.
I'm going to email bhopotus44@gmail.com with pics of the golf clubs I'm selling and see if he bites.
Be sure to also attach a pic of some balls for fast response.
....hairy ones, too.
are they left-handed?
I'll mention that in the subject line.
Rules and regulations be damned- those are only for the little people. These sons of bitches don't want ANYBODY to know what they're really up to. I can just about guarantee you they won't stop this practice, even now that it's hitting the news.
the DEEP STATE has many secrets to hide.........
This is SOP - standard operating procedure. The Bush White House had YEARS of e-mails disappear into the memory hole.
Doesn't matter who's in the White House or a majority in Congress.... our 'elected' officials are beholden to nobody (well except the truly powerful and wealthy that actually DO control everything)
Don't worr,y they're already working that angle. http://mediamatters.org/blog/2015/03/10/flashback-when-millions-of-lost-... .
It didn't matter when they did it so it doesn't matter now either. And if you don't like that, you're a hypocrite AND a bigot AND a bitter clinger.
Maybe those emails went to the same places as the Trillion bucks lost by the Pentagram?
I can just about guarantee you they won't stop this practice, even now that it's hitting the news.
Of course they won't. The principle has been in place at least for decades, and in truth for thousands of years of human history: They are to know everything about those They are the shepherds for, and the sheep cannot know anything about Them. This is not new. What's interesting is that even the concept of this relationship is being discussed. I'd say this represents progress, but when the collapse reaches the next level, all the information gained through the rapid intra-sheep communication on the web will likely be lost, and the concept of elite insulation from the masses will be restored. This was a hell of a time to witness, though. We're lucky to have seen this.
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Don't forget the mirrors too. As I have said before, they are out of control and batshit fucking crazy.
I considered mirrors and realized they wouldn't work. At this level the vast majority are narcissistic sociopaths, so they could never turn the mirror away from themselves to send or receive a signal. :-)
Like a vampire, when they look in the mirror...
Vampires have no reflection.
neither do psychopaths.
Pfft. This is not a scandal. Hitlery running her own server is a scandal. Don't you people realize that Google started as a Darpa project and continues to this day as an CIA and NSA asset? Chuck was using government accounts on both phones. Everything he saw or wrote was logged.
This is a tempest in a teacup to keep the red-vs-blue types busy chasing shadows.
Obama has Prosecuted More Whistleblowers than All Other Presidents COMBINEDhttp://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/04/obama-has-prosecuted-more-whistle...
Obama Has Sentenced Whistleblowers to 25 TIMES the Jail Time of All Prior U.S. Presidents COMBINEDhttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-01-23/obama-has-sentenced-whistleblow...
a few people have vlaimed that Obama was the ultimate 'Manchurian Candidate' - vetted and shaped by the CIA/NSA and run to make sure no truly 'populist' candidate could get elected after the outrage following the Bush Presidency - perhaps the last chance to stop the runaway Executive Presidency/Oligarcht/Intelligence Dictatorship. Look into Obama's family background - lots of questions... maternal grandmother worked for a firm used by the CIA as a front for Pacific financial opertions. Grndfather looks like he was a field op. Mother wirked for AID in Indonesia when the US was working to overthrow the government there and using AID as a cover. Seems like Obama really wasn't at Columbia but what was he REALLY doing at the time? working for the Company?
Of course the Bush family are the ultimate CIA insiders.
Obama's first job out of college was working for a CIA front company, Business International Corporation. But he conveniently forgot to mention that is his 450 page autobiography "Dreams from My Father."
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2012/07/05/barack-obama-his-mother-and-t...
.....cut the guy some slack man...... definition of confusion had to be fathers day at the the Dunham/Obama(FM Davis)/Sotero household...... and to befriend Indonesian folks by day and betray them by night..... gotta take a toll man..... gotta take a toll....... now bend over and pay for it..
Unfuckingbelievable !!!! It's way past time to end this. This POS government doesn't Speak for Us.
How does someone get millions of dollars to run then win? I believe that voting is rigged, I know there are stupid people out there who need to wake the fuck up, and I know based on the evidence, that the best interest of the population, here and elsewhere are not being served. That was their job...
I think they are the most transparent administration ever. I think it's obvious they want to destroy the country.
The plan to destroy it was done years ago. Barry is instructed to put it on steroids.
Destroy or remake in another's image?
good that the United States has friends all over the world /sacr
Our only friends are the helpless Euros. This is good. They are defanged.
My hope is that Russia and China really are ticked off at the western world and especially DC. They will be less likely to send millions of troops to put down any uprising that may occur. If my hope is forlorn then we are gonna need more bullets.
Let's not jump to consclusions here, I'm sure there is a simple explanation....the offical accounts are so riddled with porn subscriptions, it was impossible to get anything done, so had to switch to the personal account...uh yeah that's it.
The porn was just a cover for the embedded hidden messages.
Hilary is a porn star?
Yes, the Dominatrix category. In real life, she's a lesbo.
......you say that like you read it in Tranceformation of America".....
" Hillary was fully clothed and stretched out on the bed sleeping when Hall's
wife and I arrived. "Hillary, I brought you something you'll really enjoy.
Kind of an unexpected surprise. Bill ordered her out of the meeting and I look
her to my bedroom and made an interesting discovery. She is literally a twofaced
(referring to my vaginal mutilation carving) bitch,"
"Hmm?" Hillary opened her eyes and sleepily roused herself "Show me."
Hall's wife ordered me to take my clothes off while Hillary watched. "Is
she clean?" Hillary asked, meaning disease free.
"Of course, she's Byrd's," she responded, continuing the conversation as
though I were not there, "Plus, I heard Houston say something about her being
a Presidential Model, whatever the hell that's supposed to mean."
"It means she's clean," Hillary said matter-of-factly as she stood up.
I was not capable of giving thought to such things back then, but I am aware
in retrospect that all Presidential Model slaves I knew seemed to have an
immunity to social diseases. It was a well known fact in the circles I was
sexually passed around in that government level mind-controlled sex slaves were
"clean" to the degree that none of my abusers took precautions such as wearing
condoms.
Hall's wife patted the bed and instructed me to display the mutilation.
Hillary exclaimed, "God!" and immediately began performing oral sex on me.
Apparently aroused by the carving in my vagina,2 Hillary stood up and quickly
peeled out of her matronly nylon panties and pantyhose. Uninhibited despite a
long day in the hot sun, she gasped, "Eat me, oh, god, eat me now". I had no
choice but to comply with her orders, and Bill Hall's wife made no move to join
me in my distasteful task. Hillary had resumed examining my hideous mutilation
and performing oral sex on me when Bill Clinton walked in. Hillary
lifted her head to ask, "How'd it go?" ......... just the deranged ramblings of a very disturbed woman I'm sure........ well pretty sure..... by that I mean maybe.....
QUICK! find me a republican that did it too!
who has the #23?
Michael Jordan?
so hillary and chuck could plot the destruction of libya outside of gov't email because she DID not only use .gov addresses as she mumbled today from huma's cue card....
It would be funny if Chucky and Hillary were emailing each other. Oh wait...
Why didn't they both just post everything on Facebook?
God forbid they just follow the spirit of the law and conduct themselves in a forthright manner. I think there were times and people that were leaders who did that - but maybe that's an illusion too. This is why I don't have a problem with Snowden He didn't give out the encryption codes to whatever - he outed a surveillance system that is illegal or at least not known by the US citizens. From appearances - he got no monetary gain
There's a need for private communications of government officials - Hill circumvented the system and should pay the price.
I doubt it will happen but there you go- no one will ever rid us of these parasites plus the Bush clan and the banksters without a violent process
Back to the bunker - over and out
Actually, this Hagel piece has a distinctly different flavor than the Hillary scandal. Having a separate phone/email, for private matters, is, at least on paper, reasonable. In fact, using a government email account for personal business would just as soon be jumped on. The question is, did a handful of emails slip through the public / private email cracks? With Hagel, there is not enough information at this point to know. Yet, many assume that now that a fox has appeared on the radar (Hillary), that all forest animals are foxes, and ripe for shooting.
There is enough background on Hillary, however, to bet a nickel that she was consciously subverting the process.
It's OK, NSA has copies of all gmail.
If google turns private emails over to the govt at request, can the public request govt emails from Google?
Any one here of Zero Hedge a lawyer? A supeona to Google/NSA in a national class action lawsuit?
Our county is run by complete douchbags. Nothing will change until it goes off the rails. Sad.
Big difference though - Hagel did not run his own server. Google ran it for him. Google keeps archived backups of everything, not allowing him to alter, delete, erase or otherwise tamper with those backups. Clinton on the other hand, had full control and could do whatever she wanted.
I would guess that Hillary Clinton hired someone to run her email server. I doubt she has the brains to actually set up and run one, although once it's set up it wouldn't take much to keep it going. Maybe someone should find out who her techie is...or was.
It could be completely coincidental, but I find it interesting that both had a two digit number (both in the 20s) after something similar to their initials.
Perhaps just a matter of the available names on gmail, but that would not be true for Hillary who had her own personal server.
Could it indicate a policy in place in the Administration? Maybe the 20s (initial2x@...com) indicate a cabinet level member?
nice catch---+1
(Wayback machine, January, 2009:)
"Welcome to my first cabinet meeting!"
"Hello sir!"
"Sir, what's the email address on these cards we have? They all have a 24 in them."
"Ah! Those are your secret email accounts if you ever need to send something, err, uhh, off the record. It was, err, Hillary's idea."
Guys, this is simple to understand..... Lawyers pass laws for the peasants...The Laws do not apply to the Lawyers.... The Lawyers are the Politicians...That's right, 50-55% of the House and Senate are Lawyers/Trial Lawyers, highest ever in the history of the United States..... Lawyers protect Lawyers regardless of Party with few exceptions...The corruption in the Law profession is mind numbing....Look at Hillary's babbling today....no regard for the Rule of Law, it simply doesn't apply....is John Corzine in jail? Isn't Eric Holder in contempt of Congress? Why have laws or a Constitution? Will another George Washington emerge? Please Lord help us and the Grubbers for they know not what they do..........
google systemic corruption
Could be my system but it comes up as Google
You cannot lose your job over incompetence , that's obvious. You can only fall from grace if you don't toe/tow the cabal's red line. They who must be obeyed pick the winners and losers and mediocrity reigns supreme; as witness John Ketchup Kerry lurching from one fiasco to another and in the process making even Obama look semi-competent.
Overly smart folks do not make good leaders or more likely, refuse to participate in the current Freak Show.
And let's not let it slip by that Kerry - the soldier fraud- married the Heinz heiress. The late Sen Heinz is no doubt spinning John the 3 purple hearts WTF Given his injuries - my 3 year old is a war veteran
Why would a public official have anything private while in office?
Chuck Hagel held out to the Goyim as a big anti-Israel guy to get him in office, a real voice of reason that made it through only after having his name dragged through the dirt, turns out to do all of Israel's bidding. Imagine that, what are the odds?
More theater for the Goyim, just don't look behind the curtain of the JWO.
Are there no patriots left in the capital police, marine detail, or SS? People should be executed for these crimes.
Help me out - how the hell are these foot soldiers to be held for executable crimes? is this after the politicians and bankers are they just as culpable?
I think he is suggesting the foot soldiers be the trigger men---
Oh - LMAO - just accidently deleted an add on that had to do with legless marines doing unspeakable things. I think my anger issues are not resolved Will now go to my quiet corner
Your cravenness is acknowledged.
Add Holder to that list:
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2015/03/10/holder-used-secret-em...
Obama said something about student loans today. Instead he could have announced an executive order unequivocally banning the use of personal email addresses in official correspondence and officially disallowing personal email accounts on official devices.
I thought the NSA had everyones everything? The average citizen dosen't have any privacy why can't they cough up Hitlarys emails?
Because she and Hagel are still useful to them.
Attempts to keep what off the stored official record?
Evidence of war crimes or other foul deeds ?
Corruption, bribes,
or pejorative remarks which reveal their true feelings about other peoples, citizens, races, nations, freedoms, etc.