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US Sends Over 100 US Tanks, Armor To Latvia As Nuland "Confirms" Russia Delivering Weapons

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No lesser trustworthy character than Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland explained this morning that the US can "confirm" new Russian weapons delivery to Ukraine and that they "can tell" when Russia sends in new weapons (though offering no explanation of this statement). This comment to the Senate Committee comes a day after the US delivered 'lethal aid' to Latvia - 120 armored units (including tanks) - with US Army General John O’Conner who witnessed the tanks arriving on Latvian soil said, "Freedom must be fought for, freedom must be defended." And finally, one more shot in the eye of the germans, deputy under-secretary of Defense Brian McKeon said the US is "actively considering more weapons for Ukraine," seemingly implying they alreadt sent some?

The rhetoric is heating up

  • *ASSISTANT SEC. OF STATE NULAND SPEAKS BEFORE SENATE COMMITTEE
  • *U.S. CAN CONFIRM NEW RUSSIAN WEAPONS DELIVERY TO UKRAINE:NULAND
  • *NULAND SAYS U.S. CAN TELL IF RUSSIA SENDS IN NEW WEAPONS
  • *NULAND SAYS UKRAINE LEADERS KNOW IN RACE TO REFORM GOVERNMENT
  • *DEPUTY UNDER SECRETARY OF DEFENSE BRIAN MCKEON SPEAKS TO SENATE
  • *U.S. 'ACTIVELY' CONSIDERING MORE WEAPONS FOR UKRAINE: MCKEON

And this comes a day after the US delivered lethal aid to Latvia...

As RT reports,

Latvia has confirmed more than 120 armored units, including tanks, have been delivered by the US. According to the Latvian Ministry of Defense, these include M1A2 Abrams tanks and M2A3 Bradley armored vehicles.

 

The move to deploy yet more tanks and armored vehicles was welcomed by Latvian Minister of Defense Raymond Vejonis."The presence of our allies (US and NATO) in Latvia is a confirmation of solidarity and security in the region," Vejonis said in a statement on Twitter.

 

The tanks were delivered to Latvia via Riga Freeport after being offloaded from the carrier ship Liberty Promise on Monday. US Army General John O’Conner who witnessed the tanks arriving on Latvian soil said, “Freedom must be fought for, freedom must be defended," as reported by the US Embassy Riga Twitter feed.

 

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He also added their delivery would "demonstrate resolve to President Putin and Russia that collectively we can come together," while General O’Connor also mentioned, they would stay "for as long as required to deter Russian aggression,” as reported by AFP.

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Leaving the situation ever more dangerous...

 

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But Nuland wasn't done yet. As Sputnik news reports,

The United States government is applying pressure to European countries that oppose sanctions against Russia, US Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland said at a US Senate hearing on Tuesday.

 

“We continue to talk to them bilaterally about these issues,” Nuland said of Hungary, Greece, and Cyprus, whose leaders have opposed anti-Russian sanctions. “I will make another trip out to some of those countries in the coming days and weeks.”

 

Nuland noted that “despite some publically stated concerns, those countries have supported sanctions” in the European Union Council.

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Tue, 03/10/2015 - 19:04 | 5875554 king leon
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The US want to export their Monsanto GMO shit into Europe from Ukraine. 

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:38 | 5874988 casfoto
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If it drags into the winter we will see what our stuff is made of. Nuland needs to be replaced. Are we wanting to take the Ukraine because of the fact that Californias Central Valley is finished. It is turning into a dust bowl. FOOD. The Ukraine is the largest bread basket. This will not turn out well.

 

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 17:57 | 5875267 Wile-E-Coyote
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Latest NATO intelligence photos of Russian troops crossing the Ukraine border............................ Oh wait.

 

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 23:04 | 5876403 COSMOS
Tue, 03/10/2015 - 18:40 | 5875421 Cirth42
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I don't really understand the angst / surprise / vitriol that we are sending armor to a NATO ally.  If the alliance is tested there and our word as a participant in the defense of the alliance is shown to be weak or false then there are serious global consequenses.  If the NATO alliance is just a bunch of weakly defended nations that are suddenly afraid they will dramatically shift spending priorities for defense.  The European utopia of socialized everything falls apart as they can't afford all that stuff.  Then our trade with them dumps our economy down, we get even more into debt and suddenly we can't afford war.  Everyone fighting for their own prioities and pecking order would be the WWIII.  There is also the knock-on effects if Japan believes our nuclear deterent umbrella is not really there.  Them pursing their own nukes as deterrent to China will just make the Pacific the definition of $&!*storm.

Basically I don't want war, we have had enough of it.  I am tired of playing cop, but hegemony, as much as people hate imperialism / colonialism / sticking our nose in, promotes stability.  I hate the money masters that use credit to control and ruin societies over decades of playing God, but our promise of military support keeps a lot of smaller states peacefully fulfilling their social and economic goals (using that easy credit unfortunately for some).

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:31 | 5874590 InjectTheVenom
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MOAR WEAPONS YAY !!

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:52 | 5874708 blabam
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So when do you "armed" Americans start shooting some of these double nationality Neocon warmongers?... start using that second amendment you guys are always jabbering on about.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:08 | 5874802 McMolotov
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You kiddin' me? It's almost time for March Madness! Can't do anything that would disrupt that.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 17:24 | 5875163 MansaMusa
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John McCain just had an accident in his pants...

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:38 | 5874625 1000yrdstare
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The United States government is applying pressure to European countries that oppose sanctions against Russia, US Assistant Secretary of State for European Affairs Victoria Nuland said at a US Senate hearing on Tuesday.

 

“We continue to talk to them bilaterally about these issues,” Nuland said of Hungary, Greece, and Cyprus, whose leaders have opposed anti-Russian sanctions. “I will make another trip out to some of those countries in the coming days and weeks.”

 

Translation: THE US is gonna twist some arms.... sad to say, but the thugs in the room are US  (U.S. and her allies).. if anyone cannot see it for what it is, you are blind, and I hope you will not see your children die in another war. but remember when it starts...who shoved who.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:20 | 5874887 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Greece is the guy who's about to be evicted from his home. No stability there. Cyprus, hell, it's divided between Greek and Turkish interests. It's a poor money haven (and not much of that either). Nudelman is just looking for more golf claps, 'cos these two couldn't help on anything. Hungary, another matter. I'm sure that things are looking better for them, why would they want to screw it up. They probably get lots of gas from Gazprom too.

As a latvian, I can say this is not good. It's enough of a deal to be provocative, but not enough to be a deterrent. The ideal scene involves *no* militaries or imperial interests, but sadly we've been wedged in the middle for hundreds of years. It was mostly a back and forth between German and Russian interests, but now Americans. I had heard a recent musing that the US was going to slowly go away from western european bases and move things further east. It appears they really are going to go ahead with that. I will be curious to see if the swedish banking interests, which own some 90% of baltic-based banks, will be muscled out in favor of american ones (not that I want to eat from that shit pot either). To me, the real solution is real free trade--not these f***** EU rules, and a recognition of Russia as a member of Europe, as a minimum. 

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 17:41 | 5875218 Escrava Isaura
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Greece, Cyprus, Latvia. Who cares.

 

These are the real reasons why US Empire is worried

 

http://www.gazprom.com/f/posts/69/808097/2014-06-20-eastern-program-map-en.jpg

 

http://www.gazprom.com/f/posts/74/805991/2014-06-26-map-sila-sib-en.jpg

 

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 21:53 | 5876159 Anunnaki
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Color Revolution waiting in the wings for Hungary

I hear it will be the Chartreuse or Burnt Sienna Revolution

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:39 | 5874627 Perimetr
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How many NATO tanks does it take to stop a Russian ICBM?

 

F*cking crazy neocons are going to get us all killed.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:03 | 5874777 Berspankme
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My first reaction was those are nice targets

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:58 | 5875068 NeedtoSecede
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And I was wondering why the fuck would they want armored vehicles that are painted for desert operations.  Going to be hard to miss.  Maybe they will bring in some of those Kurds who have improvised there "armor" and painted them all by hand.

 

This is getting so screwed up I can no longer even wrap my brain around it.  Probably what they want happen...

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 18:58 | 5875529 Volkodav
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Armor has limits.

Seperatists killed very many Ukr tanks with WWII anti tank rifle their Grandfathers stored away.

 

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:55 | 5874715 Kirk2NCC1701
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"Russia has some nerve having a country parked so close to our tanks."

That's right, they must want war, given how close they put their country to our military bases. Clearly this cannot be tolerated. http://thesaker.is/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/Russia_wants_war_look_how_...

OTOH... if they put their bases near our border, like in Cuba for example, then this would not be an issue. Oh, wait...

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:10 | 5874814 JLee2027
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Stupid Fucks. What the hell does that mean? We have no business in the Ukraine or Latvia.

"Freedom must be fought for, freedom must be defended."

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:29 | 5874934 Ferrari
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If we're all about fighting for freedom, when do we blast Fort Meade to Mars? I'd at least like to see the NSA evaporate before the rest of our planet glows. Call me a dreamer.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:28 | 5874926 BaghdadBob
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Calm down everyone, this is actually good news. Soon, Putin may set off one of these Woar inducing trip wires that the U.S. is planting all over Europe and the Middle East. Then it's on. Personally I hope there is a (limited) Thermo-Nuclear response by Russia and that the entire U.S., it's military bases, and all overseas interests (including Israel) get wiped off the face of the globe. Yep, this includes all you fat fake-food eating TV watching red neck exceptional citizens as well. Good riddance I say (and I'd bet most of the world would agree).

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 18:59 | 5875533 Cirth42
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Seriously should check your rage.  Wishing tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands to die to nukes shows how unbalanced you are.  Odd that at one end you hate those would-be red-neck war mongers but want them all dead at the same time, even those that honorably serve in the military.  Very disgusting human being that sits on their computer enjoying the full protection of other peoples use of force and want them dead.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 20:39 | 5875898 Taint Boil
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Ok …. 7 billion people and limited resources - think about it. The only real solution is war. Big reset already in the works. Cut population in half, better world, eliminate a lot of the “eaters”, on, and on and on. The Oligarchs you ask? No worries they’ll be just fine ……

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 21:25 | 5876051 Aaron Hillel
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The chosenites are indeed salivating at the perspective of a limited nuclear exchange in europe, but VV Putin did not oblige them in ukr, and he very probably wont follow their scenario in this case.

I can imagine something along the lines;

-Unknown parties fire a low yield nuclear theatre weapon (ie a Scud in 5-7kT range) from ukr territory at lets say Rostov.

The chosenites imagine that VV Putin will at long last react by either invading with full conventional might( and obligingly stop in Lvov, of course) , or even better nuke Kiev.

They are in for a big surprise, methinks.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:40 | 5874999 BullyBearish
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Perhaps if Germany weren't an occupied country they'd start acting in their own interests

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 20:12 | 5875814 angel_of_joy
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It would be helpful if the Krauts would at least try to un-occupy themselves for a start...

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 18:45 | 5875450 iofera
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Ukraine has some nerve "parking" itself right next to Russia. :-)

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 18:55 | 5875507 Van Halen
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At least we got rid of that warmonger Bush and those Neocons and put smart power into place.

Hey, wait!

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 19:25 | 5875653 KingGenius
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Hey Europe impose sanctions on them then you can not have any natural gas!

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:30 | 5874573 Gringo Viejo
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Earth to D.C.! This ain't your daddies' Grenada baby! Watch your ass.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 17:18 | 5875139 geno-econ
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Poland was Hitler's Granada which emboldened him to open up two fronts---Western Europe and USSR.  Now with US victorious in Granada, and mired in Middle East , Victorious Nuland is starting another war front in Ukraine/Europe---Brilliant Nazi thinking which will end same way.  Obviously if Europe/Russia escalates into a hot war, Middle East with strategic oil reserves will become a hot war zone immediatly, drawing China into Middle East as well.  Washington is going Bonkers for all the wrong reasons! 

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 18:11 | 5875312 walküre
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Wasn't much of a war effort for Germany to roll over the West straight to the Atlantic. Fortifying and holding the Atlantic coastline for so many years was incredible when you think of it. Russia was a much more formidable enemy in the East. Without help from the Americans though, the Germans would have taken Moscow. Then the Americans launched their allied attack on Germany from the West after securing the flow of spice from the Arabs and the Med.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 18:52 | 5875490 Volkodav
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Better learn real history..what Poland was doing to Germans..

Pollacks are own worst enemy...

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:31 | 5874583 ebworthen
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What the Military Industrial Complex wants, it gets.

Nevermind it's a suicide mission if things get hot.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:31 | 5874584 Bay of Pigs
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This is very bad news for everyone on the planet.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:36 | 5874614 Headbanger
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Which one?

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 17:26 | 5875171 MansaMusa
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More like bad news for those who signed up for military checks and benefits!

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:31 | 5874585 Winston Churchill
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One loud fart and its on like donkey kong.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 17:06 | 5875096 NeedtoSecede
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Look of for the FMP!  Flatulant Magnetic Pulse is serious business.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:31 | 5874593 NoDebt
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Financial corruption?  Always look to London.

World Wars?  Always in Europe.

 

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:33 | 5874599 Winston Churchill
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Did they move Japan when I wasn't looking.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:45 | 5874649 NoDebt
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Japan is a vassal state of the US now.  And weren't heavily involved in WW1 (and were on our side).  To be honest, we almost forced them into attacking us in WWII.  So I'm a little reluctant to say the Japanese have a strong history of starting world wars.

Europe?  No problem.  They get themselves in these little joint locks and little things turn into big things very quickly.

 

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:04 | 5874780 angel_of_joy
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And WHO exactly is going to fight this war on our side, if I may ask ?

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:34 | 5874920 ZerOhead
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Canada has some French Canadians they don't need and Cameron says the Scots are real keen to fight now that they have formally joined the UK.

Add the Australian aboriginees and the New Zealand Maoris and the Russians don't stand a chance...

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:47 | 5875030 angel_of_joy
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The French Canadians would rather kick out their federal gov up there in Ottawa, and then have a beer with the Anglos in Ontario. More than half of their federal employees live in QC anyway (for tax purposes). Nobody would miss their feds too much, and besides it would be much closer to home and infinitely less troublesome... I'm pretty sure that the Scots are aching to fight the Russians though, especially under British or American command... ;)

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:22 | 5874896 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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I think those folks in Nanking and the Philippines may beg to differ with you.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:42 | 5874654 Ondoron
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No! The next war will see each US -city destroyed! Every single one! Tell this your US-Neocons!

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:03 | 5874772 escapeefromOZ
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But this time nukes will fall on the empire of Chaos .

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:56 | 5875055 Lea
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To NoDebt,

"Financial corruption?  Always look to London."

The Fed is in London?

"World Wars?  Always in Europe."

The Washington neocons are in Europe?
Psst... about WW2... you are not very well informed, are you? Hint: The real WW2 catalysts were the major investments showered upon Hitler's war machine, allowing that madman-ruled Germany to become a major threat. Check where that money came from.
Not Europe.

 

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:33 | 5874598 Chupacabra-322
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Anyone else notice how this PsyOp is on the coat tail of the Swift Transaction Alternative announcement by China that its speeding up turn out by September?

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:44 | 5874663 Winston Churchill
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August seems to be the traditional month for kicking these soiree's off.

Lets face it, Uncle Scam is fast running out of time to act.

Still going with a nuke FF on a US city.If it can wait that long, July 4th would

be optimum.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:38 | 5874990 ZerOhead
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The nuke FF will occur once hostilites against Russia are started to give it cover. It won't be Detroit because that's way to obvious.

As I have said before... it's a race to get it started BEFORE the entire financial system collapses.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:43 | 5875015 drdolittle
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August seems a poor time to start wit Russia. You get until Nov before winter. Why wait til october?

Agree with the nuke FF on US city. Been programming us to fear it "the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud". Plus, the lumpenprole will never believe our "own guys" would do that to us. Eastern seaboard please (perhaps DC, making government continuity paramount, the small group of survivors being led by Dickhead Cheney?)

Wed, 03/11/2015 - 13:44 | 5878280 Victory_Garden
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DING..DING...DING!!!

Do not forget dickhead's stolen nukes!

Where will he set one off at to cause the above to happen? It's anyone’s guess, but what did Guccifer say in the hacked emails?

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 20:21 | 5875841 booboo
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May and June. I don't think we get to September

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:33 | 5874600 dimwitted economist
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sounds like WW III is gearing up to me...

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:36 | 5874601 TNTARG
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US Army General John O’Conner who witnessed the tanks arriving on Latvian soil said, “Freedom must be fought for, freedom must be defended,"

As in Afghanistan, Irak, Lybia, Ucrania? Some freedom!

 

Is the US gonna send tanks around Venezuela too? (Say... Colombia?)

Does your Nobel Peace Prize want total war against everybody?

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:38 | 5874621 Headbanger
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Yeah baby!

Rumble in the jungle time again!

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:58 | 5874739 Kirk2NCC1701
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We fight for Freedom by recruiting Free Dumbs.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:58 | 5874741 JohninMK
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You got it in one. First sanctions then................. Hold on, not a Russia ally again? Quick fire up those TU-160s again for a 'cultural' visit.

Cuba promised its support to Venezuela after US President Barack Obama imposed new sanctions against several individuals in Caracas.

The measures are aimed at Venezuelan officials who were accused of human rights violations by the United States, including a crackdown on anti-government protests, which led to 43 casualties in 2014.

"Cuba again reiterates its unconditional support and that of our people for the Bolivarian Revolution, the legitimate government of President Nicolas Maduro, and the heroic brotherly people of Venezuela," an official statement made by Cuban state-run media said.

Cuba’s response to Obama’s “arbitrary and aggressive” sanctions expressed its first public confrontation, since December, when the two countries started to discuss their diplomatic relations restoration.

President Nicolas Maduro described US actions as "the most aggressive, unjust and harmful blow against Venezuela."

"No one has the right to intervene in the internal affairs of a sovereign state or to declare, without foundation, someone a threat to national security," Cuba claimed.

Fidel Castro, Cuba’s leader, in his turn complimented Nicolas Maduro on his reasonable position against the US, calling it ‘brilliant and brave” in the letter published Tuesday by the Cuban press.

"Your words will go down in history as proof that humanity can and must know the truth," Castro stressed.

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/latam/20150310/1019314197.html#ixzz3U0xrg4vB
Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:34 | 5874966 TheReplacement
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That quote is 100% correct.  The application is a little insane but hey, the rest of us aren't using it so what the hay!

Wed, 03/11/2015 - 11:27 | 5877603 ScorpionDeathLock
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Their definition of freedom is not the same as ours. Once you figure this out then it makes perfect sense.

Their freedom to attack who they want, rob who they want, bomb who they want, blackmail who they want, regime change who they want, print money when they want, spy on who they want, feed gmo to who they want, healthcare racket who they want.

If you don't like those freedoms then the terrorists will win.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:36 | 5874611 i_call_you_my_base
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Try Nuland for treason.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:01 | 5874764 Jethro
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Just sell her to the Russian mafia after she's found guilty.  They'll get a quick ROI.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 18:47 | 5875463 Volkodav
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Obvious you don't know who Russian Mafia is...

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:38 | 5874618 One And Only
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This has Nobel Peace Prize written all over it for Obama.

If we don't have full on global thermonuclear war then strip him of it.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:37 | 5874619 btdt
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wow, 5 posts and not a single hasbara.

habara must be huddling: should we crow or bark? one by one or all together?

 

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US Army General John O’Conner who witnessed the tanks arriving on Latvian soil said, "Freedom must be fought for, freedom must be defended."

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Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:47 | 5874680 serotonindumptruck
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Give them some time. It's still quite early in Tel Aviv.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 18:15 | 5875322 walküre
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Maybe they're already in their bunkers because the propaganda battle is no longer relevant to winning the war.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:39 | 5874630 Chupacabra-322
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General John O’Conner who witnessed the tanks arriving on Latvian soil said, "Freedom must be fought for, freedom must be defended."

General John O’Conner who witnessed the tanks arriving on Latvian soil said, "Fascism must be fought for, Fascism must be defended."

There you go General O'Dickhead, fixed it for you.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:39 | 5874633 Falling Down
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Peace prize, bitches!

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:40 | 5874635 Real Estate Geek
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Enjoying Cheney's fourth term, folks? (Nuland was his chief national security adviser.)

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:44 | 5874665 Bastiat
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Soros, Rockerfeller, Brzynski at the helm.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:10 | 5874817 The Joker
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You spelled Berzerkzioninski wrong.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:49 | 5874645 cherry picker
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Washington DC you can go to hell and take Nuland with you.

I hope the CIA and NSA finally get what they deserve.

Making war where there was no reason to, backing the assholes in the Ukraine who did not want peacekeepers, they wanted weapons and conscripting all from ages 20 to 60.  Does that sound like freedom you are fighting for?

Don't think the USA is free.  There are at least a dozen countries that could show America what free means for its citizens.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:43 | 5874657 Kirk2NCC1701
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SO, the MIC is doubling down?

US Weapons to Latvian 'We Pawns'. I'm sure that these toys are not free.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:43 | 5874658 Two dogs
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So the USA believes that the Russians are sending tanks to East Ukraine and so sends their tanks to Latvia. Don't they teach map reading any more?

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:05 | 5874769 Kirk2NCC1701
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"So the USA believes that the Russians are sending tanks to East Ukraine and so sends their tanks to Latvia. Don't they teach map reading any more?"

I've been thinking about that for some time now, and it occurs to me that... eventually those NATO assets could come in handy to be moved overnight into Ukraine, should the opportunity present itself, or be made to present itself.

I simply used the mindset of "What devious things could I do, if I were a Neocon/Nulander?"

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:24 | 5874907 Two dogs
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Well it's about a thousand miles from Riga to Donetsk so it would certainly be a long night, that's for sure

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:26 | 5874919 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Yeah 520 miles apart. Shit, send it to Poland, it's a lot closer. And have the US forgotten about Russia's Kaliningrad?

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:38 | 5874985 Two dogs
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Though even eastern Poland is about 700 miles from Donetsk. Still essentially REMFs.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 17:15 | 5875128 NeedtoSecede
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And Dear Leader will learn about the thermo-nuclear exchange via the newpapers, just like the rest of the folks.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:45 | 5874661 JustObserving
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Americans have to be the stupidest people in this world to let Neocons hijack their foreign policy.

And you have to be severely retarded to not know that 9/11 was a false flag.

How many more Americans have to die or be crippled in Neocon wars before people wake up?

The Neocon wars in Iraq and Afghanistan cost more than $6 trillion compared to only $738 billion for the Vietnam in equivalent dollars.  Your country is being looted, your brothers are dying and suffering, and no one gives a damn.  Wake the fuck up before it's too late.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:46 | 5874676 Kirk2NCC1701
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"Creature Comforts is one of the Devil's greatest weapons", it is said.

The average 'Merican has lots of Creature Comforts. Hedge accordingly, and use the Greeks as a Benchmark of inaction. TPTB do.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:53 | 5874711 Bastiat
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". . . brothers are dying"  not to mention orders of magnitude scope of death, muitlation and utter multi-generational hell and havoc wrought on the civilian populations.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:53 | 5874712 Omen IV
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Look Americans may be imbeciles but what does that make the Latvians and Poles?

they are the first line cannon fodder plus their country gets blown up besides....for what?

 

The Germans, Italians and French will distance themselves from this debacle but the rest will be fried via a US staged flase flag

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 19:55 | 5875766 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Look Americans may be imbeciles but what does that make the Latvians and Poles?

Sacrifices.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:56 | 5874723 cherry picker
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It is time to march on DC and show them you are willing to fight for freedom not to get involved with conflicts within other countries, the freedom to be neutral.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:58 | 5874737 Atticus Finch
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Foreign Policy was hijacked from the Government the day JFK was assassinated and has not been in control of the government since that day. That's what the assassination was all about.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:44 | 5874668 Jonesy
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Lyin' sack o shit Nuland said Russia did it, so it must be true.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:46 | 5874674 Gringo Viejo
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With due respect to those that serve in the military, however misguided any sense of "patriotism" today may seem......

if this comes down to the American, politically correct, sensitivity trained Army vs. Russian boots on the ground.......

we're going to be wearin' our ass for a hat.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:50 | 5874698 Two dogs
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Maybe that's why they are keeping out of the way in Poland, Latvia etc

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:49 | 5874689 Jethro
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I was starting to wonder where Vicki went off to.  We need a GPS tracking device for that cunt.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:49 | 5874694 Caleb Abell
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"Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland explained this morning that the US can "confirm" new Russian weapons delivery to Ukraine"

 

Well, if Vickie Nudelman said it, you can take it to the bank.  This respectable lady would never lie.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:58 | 5874742 Berspankme
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Pictures or it never happened Nuland and not youtube videos either

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:04 | 5874778 Bunghole
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Will those Digital Globe satellite photos work for you or are you going to demand real spy satellite photos this time.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 17:05 | 5875092 Mike Masr
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Here is a good youtube to see how this all got started. Don't see Russia's hand in any of this. BTW, fuck the EU!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&x-yt-ts=1422503916...

 

 

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:55 | 5874709 Mike Masr
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When we are at one minute to midnight on the nuclear war clock the sheeple will ask, how did we get here? We can all thank the damn neocons who brought us here and the neocon bastards who have reservations in an underground nuclear bunker.      

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 19:30 | 5875675 X_Weatherman
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Neocons = Fascists = Psychopaths

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:56 | 5874725 StupidEarthlings
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So..when do we hear Putins response to this nonsense? 

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 18:41 | 5875427 Volkodav
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You have not been listening

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:57 | 5874732 TheObsoleteMan
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They won't be satisfied until they have us in WW3. They have to realize that Putin is not going to blink, and he has the vast majority of Slavic people on his side, even most Ukrainians. They know Putin has no intentions on seizing the Baltics, so why send military assistance there unless it is from there that they plan on launching their first leg of attacks. Study 1941. Field Marshal Von Leeb swept through the Baltics to within sight of Leningrad in the course of just three months, even with divisions being siphoned off his command to be attached to other fronts. My guess is that they are trying to deny the Russian Navy any direct ports outside of their Arctic bases.The one base they have in old Konigsberg should be over run in short order.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:40 | 5874998 Steaming_Wookie_Doo
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Konigsberg would likely be bloody. What we lacked in WW2 (subs w/guided missiles), satellite surveillance, undisclosed space-based weapons, weather disruptors, etc would probably be in full force. Or the other alternative is that it's given up w/o a big fight, but then bombed flat once the US occupies.

Plus, we will have an epic argument between Germany, Poland and Lithuania as to who should own the land. No more imperial Prussia to hand it back to...

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 18:29 | 5875376 tarabel
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Starvation fells all fortresses that cannot be relieved.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:58 | 5874740 Radical Marijuana
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"Freedom must be fought for,

freedom must be defended."

The international banksters' frauds must be fought for.

The international banksters' frauds must be defended!

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:09 | 5874804 escapeefromOZ
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When you armed USA freddom lovers are going to start chasing off the " chosenites " with dual passport and the Aipac scumbags ? Don't  wait too long becasue if WW3 starts you might not get any more opportunities....

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 17:23 | 5875103 Radical Marijuana
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I cannot image any practically possible political ways to prevent nor prepare for the consequences of the world being an insane asylum dominated by the most criminally insane inmates.

I have always found that the more one learns about politics, the worse it gets! Therefore, I expect that the Anglo-American (Zionist) Empire is going to commit collective suicide for the human species. There are no realistic ways that I can imagine regarding how to arrest those who are the best organized gangs of criminals from being able to continue to control civilization.

There is almost nothing but organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition. I am not aware of any publicly significant opposition groups that are able and willing to provide better death control systems to back up better debt control systems. Therefore, I have become resigned to the apparent facts that the most criminally insane people will continue to control civilization, in ways which finally result in the collective suicide of the human species.

For several decades I have been worrying about that, and I have done my best to try to understand that. However, my current conclusions are that the situation is hopeless. While I agreed with the gist of your reply, escapeefromOZ, I would ask this rhetorical question: "How far up the tornado does Dorothy go?" As far as I can tell, there are infinite tunnels of deceits, and most of the controlled opposition groups to the core organized crime groups spout the same basic bullshit social stories. Meanwhile, the vast majority of people continue to be incompetent political idiots, or Zombie Sheeple, being fleeced to exhaustion, while being set up to be slaughtered. I am not aware of any good grounds to doubt that will continue to get worse, faster, in the foreseeable future.

I WISH that there was some significant public opposition group that I could join. However, I am NOT aware of anything that is remotely close to being like that. After learning about these political problems as much as I could for several decades, I have concluded that there is almost nothing but organized crime surrounded by controlled opposition. I am NOT aware of any sane and effective opposition groups which have any publicly significant presence. By and large, all of the alleged opposition groups that I am aware of are dominated by reactionary revolutionaries, who are followed by mainstream morons. The few who do recognize that their society is dominated by organized crime tend to continue to stay within the same old-fashioned frame of reference of false fundamental dichotomies and related impossible ideals.

In my view, the only way to have better government is to have better organized crime. The only way to displace the currently ruling classes is to develop a better ruling class. However, the basic dilemma that the ruling classes rule on the basis of being able to back up lies with violence, and those they ruled over adapted to accept that, continues to be the political problems that we face. Against those real problems, there are almost nothing but controlled opposition groups, who promote the same basic bullshit world view, and so, propose bogus "solutions" to problems based on impossible ideals, which actually make the opposite happen in the real world.

The international banksters are going for broke to try to consolidate their global hegemony over the monetary system, which controls the whole planet's natural resources, (including Russia's) through globalized systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence. The Russians are somewhat of an obstacle in the way of the international banksters being able to achieve that agenda. Therefore, the banksters are able and willing to play a possibly fatal game of chicken, to try to accomplish their goals.

However, in the bigger picture, all of the various other dominant organized crime gangs that the international banksters are competing with (such as Islamic countries) are similarly insane, only not quite the most previously successful, biggest and best organized gangsters, the international banksters, which have already captured effective control over all NATO countries. Those international banksters made and maintained the globalized systems of electronic monkey money frauds, backed by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs.

I believe that the international banksters have lost control over those systems, although they still have their entrenched social habits. (The emergence of alleged "alternatives" to those systems only look like alternative forms of the same basic insanities to me.) Those morbid psychological and political habits of the international banksters are driving them towards attempting to force everyone else to agree to operate within their frauds. As I said, those are runaway criminal insanities, BUT, there is NO coherent opposition to that which I am aware of having any publicly significant presence. (Obviously, I could not support Russian and Chinese "alternatives," and even less could I support the Islamic "alternatives," nor any others which I am aware of being publicly significant at the present time.)

There is practically nobody who proposes genuine solutions which are consistent with a better analysis of the problems, because of the degree to which there is already almost nothing but organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition. Collectively, that basic kind of society is terminally sick and insane. There are no plausible reasons to think otherwise that I am aware of. No sorts of more rational evidence or logical arguments appear to be actually able to make any difference to the ALREADY established systems based on backing up lies with violence, which are primarily the international banksters' triumphantly enforced frauds, but which also include all of the other organized crime gangs, all around the world.

The only thing that might stop the established systems is for their madness to destroy themselves, which will simultaneously destroy almost everyone else, and quite possibly speed up the extinction of the human species, along with many other life forms. In my view, after one more fully understands the astronomically amplified magnitude of those problems, there are NO ways to either prevent that, nor be prepared for that.

By and large, my personal response is to cling to irrational hopes for some series of political miracles, as well as some transcendental hope beyond any finite outcomes. However, I recognize that is being irrational ... In every way, every day, the globalized systems of electronic monkey money frauds, backed by the threat of force from apes with atomic bombs, automatically becomes more criminally insane. However, those systems continue to be dominated by the most criminally insane people, while they have also been able to control their opposition so much, for so long, that there is no publicly significant opposition that I am aware of actually existing.

Therefore, I expect that the runaway criminal insanities that currently control civilization WILL start an utterly irrational and criminally insane World War, which will spin out of control, and kill the vast majority of the human species, if not cause there to not even be any survivors whatsoever, after a few more centuries of the full consequences of having done that ... I repeat that I WISH that there was some coherent opposition to that, which I could join and support, but I am not aware of any, nor can I imagine any practical ways that any such coherent opposition could actually exist, given the degree to which the real world is ALREADY almost nothing but an insane asylum controlled by the most criminally insane people.

Rather, I mostly waste my time posting some practically useless comments on Zero Hedge, while I indulge in my other registered political activities, on a scale which is so trivial and insignificant as to be practically pointless to bother with ... As far as I can tell, I have wasted my life attempting to understand the political problems created by the development of weapons of mass destruction. I have endeavoured to develop a theory of artificial selection which could cope with that ... However, I believe that we have run out of time to adapt to the development of weapons of mass destruction ... We ARE headed towards committing collective suicide, while there are NO ways to effectively prevent nor prepare for that ...

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 18:27 | 5875364 usednabused
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Wow RM, If you are wasting time, keep it to a couple paragraphs anyways. lol. Seriously though, you say you could never accept Russia, or China, or Islam, yet you state the US is run by organized crime. Well just how much worse could it get? Did it ever occur to you that 90% of the bad things you "hear" about Russia, China, and all the rest could possibly be lies and propaganda right out of the worlds largest propaganda machine? Thats the MSM if you didn't know. Pravda  couldn't hold a fucking candle to it. So before you go completely nuts jump the ship or just go fishing and don't think about the ship going down.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 19:24 | 5876290 Radical Marijuana
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Well, usedandabused, the BIGGEST PROBLEM IN THE BACKGROUND is that human economic activities, powered up by the industrial revolution, have primarily been based on strip-mining the planet's natural resources. Although it is theoretically possible that human beings could develop better integrated systems of human ecology, industrial ecology, and natural ecology, the ACTUALLY EXISTING SYSTEMS are turning natural resources into garbage and pollution as fast as possible, BECAUSE, the world IS controlled by the people who are the "best" at backing up lies with violence, REGARDLESS of the longer term consequences, that is what ACTUALLY HAPPENS in each short-term increment.

That is how and why the international banksters already dominate most of the world with their ENFORCED FRAUDS. The only groups that can somewhat resist them have to do that same things that they do, in order to be able to compete. So all the other social pyramid systems are driven towards maximization of the short-term benefits, while disregarding the longer term consequences.

While I agree with you that the "best" professional liars and immaculate hypocrites are the international banksters, and the political puppets that they control in the Western countries, and therefore, NATO countries tell BIGGER LIES than others, there is nobody else that I am aware of presenting more radical truths, and even IF they did, the human species would overall continue to maximize their short-term abilities to strip-mine the planet, regardless of the longer term consequences.

What war would do quickly, the established systems that were made by the long history of warfare are doing anyway, only in slightly slower ways. The human species, through civilization controlled by backing up lies with violence, is pretty well totally able to destroy the natural environment, more and more, faster and faster, while pretending that is a good thing. The two most important FACTS are the irreconcilable social polarization, and the irreparable destruction of the natural world. Developing anything else than political systems based on a core of organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition groups, appears to be practically impossible. Therefore, the relatively quicker ways to commit suicide through out of control warfare using weapons of mass destruction are merely the most extreme ways that civilization would commit suicide. Just more "business as usual" would do that too, only more slowly.

Since the established systems based on backing up lies with violence do not care, because in each short-term increment they do not have to care about the longer term consequences of what they are really doing, the paths we are on are able to persist through attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance. More rational evidence and logical arguments make NO DIFFERENCE to social systems based on being able to back up lies with violence. The only things those systems care about is continuing to be able to back up their lies with violence.

Therefore, the ONLY ways to change a civilization based on backing up lies with violence are MORE lies backed by violence, which will actually make things get worse faster. I WISH that presenting rational evidence and logical arguments made any difference, but, OBVIOUSLY, that is not so! The established systems of enforced frauds are controlling civilization, in ways which merely manifest the threat of world war with weapons of mass destruction become the most obvious symptom of what is generally a terminal social sickness and insanity.

The most important political problem is the history of successful warfare, based on backing up deceits with destruction, that was the foundation for a political economy based on enforced frauds. Those have driven the strip-mining of the planet's natural resources, in the most criminally insane ways possible, from the perspective of the longer term future of the human species. However, there was never any practical ways to stop that from happening. The best organized gangs of criminals control the world, in the most criminally insane ways, and that is automatically getting worse, faster, every day ...

I WISH that my research had been able to result in different conclusions. I WISH that all of my work on attempting to understand things better had resulted in something other than that there is nothing to do but indulge in individual amusements, while overall the human species is preparing to commit suicide ... However, nothing I have learned has ever changed that view that the more one knows, the worse it gets, especially since indulging in some individual amusements within the established systems is about the only things which are practically possible to actually do.

We run our human ecology on the basis of the maximum possible deceits about how the real death control systems operate, which enables us to run our political economy on the basis of enforcing the maximum possible frauds. Overall, those central social facts drive us towards destroying the natural environment, and to high-grade ourselves to hell, because strip-mining the planet's natural resources as much as possible, as fast as possible, has been presented as a good thing to do, by all of the people who were doing that.

The deeper reasons driving warfare are all automatically getting worse, faster, building up greater and greater pressures, as the limits of being able to strip-mine the planet at an exponential rate are being reached. We have already grossly overshot what might have otherwise been sustainable. We never got even remotely close to developing any less insane human ecology, or industrial ecology, while the natural ecologies were degraded and destroyed at an exponentially accelerating rate.

Given all those facts, the runaway debt slavery systems driving debt insanities towards provoking death insanities have already been baked into that cake. IF there is anything left to do, then MAYBE that will be to attempt to catalyze the on-coming conditions of death insanities, and human mass murders into something which would otherwise be even worse. I continue to regard militarism as the supreme ideology. I continue to promote the notions that the only genuine solutions are to develop better death control systems, which are based on radical paradigm shifts in the ways that we perceive the death control issues, which SHOULD BE the ways that we change how we think, AFTER the development of weapons of mass destruction.

HOWEVER, in the real world, civilization continues to be dominated by the best organized gangs of criminals, which are surrounded by practically nothing but opposition groups that those criminals also control. Therefore, all the fundamental factors driving us towards suicidal wars are automatically getting worse, faster, while there is practically zero chances of any more rational public debates about that.

Every time that there is yet another social success based on backing up lies with violence, or enforcing frauds, the overall real problems underneath that get even worse, and those worsening problems are driving us towards much worse military conflicts. I am attempting to promote better militarism, to a world so totally drowning in its own bullshit, that routinely makes utterly inane, lying statements, like when "US Army General John O’Conner who witnessed the tanks arriving on Latvian soil said, “Freedom must be fought for, freedom must be defended."

THE SOCIAL FACTS ARE THAT THE INTERNATIONAL BANKSTERS CONTROL NATO COUNTRIES, AND THEREFORE, THEIR ARMED FORCES' ACTIONS AMOUNT TO: "The international banksters' frauds must be fought for. The international banksters' frauds must be defended!"

Generals like John O'Connor promote ridiculously old-fashioned theories of successful militarism, based on being able to back up deceits with destruction, mediated through bullshit-based speeches, because the banksters were able to apply the methods of organized crime to the political processes, so that the REAL systems were based on enforced frauds. O'Connor was promoted to become a general because he was a good professional liar and immaculate hypocrites, who could make such suicidally insane statements with a straight face. 

The international banksters have been able to control governments to enforce the banksters' frauds. They are able and willing to risk world war, in order to promote their agenda. Moreover, there is pretty well nothing else that is publicly present that addresses the deeper reasons regarding how and why that situation has developed. Therefore, all of the underlying causes for insane wars are building up their pressures. Nothing gets done otherwise that would decrease those pressures.

No better death control systems are being developed. The only things that are actually happening are that the runaway debt slavery systems HAVE created debt insanities, which are headed towards provoking death insanities on an astronomically amplified scale. Meanwhile, it continues to be practically impossible to have any saner public debates about those problems, since there is almost nothing but controlled opposition groups surrounding the core of the organized crime of the banksters.

Although I do my best to still try to enjoy my own individual amusements, that gets harder and harder to do as the facts that the human species is headed towards tragic self-annihilation automatically become more blatantly obvious. I am personally stuck in my own insane rut of WISHING that there was something I could do to change that ... while events keep on proving that is a delusionally unrealistic thing to expect ... But nevertheless, despite that I can do nothing practical to stop that from happening, I continue to find that future too tragic to accept, without bitching about it, and still wishing that I could do something to change that ...

 

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 21:29 | 5876049 The Joker
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Hopeless as it may seem I don't view enlightenment as a waste of time.  Knowledge and all that...

Irrational hope:  Propaganda is more than just lies.  It is an attempt to acclimate us to a reality the propagandists wish to bring forth.  One message at a time throught the majik box (war), through music (sex slavery and mind control), through movies (dystopia and alien progeniters - new religion).  Now, obviously the criminally insane do see a future where not everyone has perished since this is the future they are trying to acclimate us to.  Ok, ok, so maybe slavery isn't your bag....but still. 

Changing the economy through the climate agenda envisions a future, yet the same insane control that.

Every fucked up thing they are doing still envisions a future with some sort of population and a "ruling" class.

I don't think they have lost control.  I think Russia is part of it.  I can be more flexible after the election.

A significant population reduction will most likely come but I don't think it will be a global suicide.  This is planned. 

 

Here is some artificial selection for you that even still envisions a future, as fucked up as it is and believe it or not:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5y1WorkLJw

Purple Haze

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 23:19 | 5876364 Radical Marijuana
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I agree, The Joker, that the criminally insane ruling classes are somehow presuming that they can continue to still be socially successful, despite that backing up lies with violence now involves using weapons of mass destruction that are trillions of times more powerful than ever before in human history. However, their apparent beliefs that they could still control the final consequence of what they are doing is just more proof of the degree to which they have become criminally insane.

I would LIKE to still believe that it was possible that your view was correct, that: "A significant population reduction will most likely come but I don't think it will be a global suicide." However, I am no longer able to believe that ... As I said, the more I have learned, the worse it has always gotten, while I have spent most of the previous several decades learning about this stuff, to the point where I am completely convinced that the ruling classes are so criminally insane, that they are NOT in control ...

Yes, they are carrying out their agenda. However, that agenda has become criminally insane! I can NOT believe that they understand and control the globalized systems of electronic monkey money frauds, backed by the threat of the force from apes with atomic bombs! Sure, they originally made and maintained those systems. However, the human ruling classes no longer comprehend what they have created. Meanwhile, the vast majority of the people who are ruled over have been reduced way too much to become incompetent political idiots, to be able to resist their rulers' agenda ... HOWEVER, that kind of social success based on being able to continue to back up lies with violence, within human civilization, does NOT stop that civilization from being runaway criminal insanities.

In my view, no matter how bad the irreconcilable social polarization becomes, the irreparable destruction of the natural world trumps that. Monkeys with electronics, or apes with atomic bombs, does not look survivable to me, especially since those are primarily applied in order to magnify by many orders of magnitude the ability to enforce frauds, WITHIN human societies, in ways which are thereby even more able to get away with attitudes of evil deliberate ignorance towards everything that is beyond human control.

I WISH that I could still believe that the ruling classes were NOT as criminally insane and madly self-destructive as I currently believe them to actually be. However, everything that I have learned has more and more convinced me that is the case ... especially since I still see nothing but controlled opposition surrounding those criminally insane ruling classes, while the vast majority of those who are ruled over appear to be brain-dead Zombie Sheeple, on whom even less reasonable hope for the future could be placed.

The only irrational hope that I am able to still slightly entertain is that, after things get way worse, then, perhaps a new ruling class may emerge, which was not so totally insane. Indeed, that is the vain hope, as a kind of political science fiction and fantasy story, that I have been attempting to develop for several decades, since I first learned, back when I was teenager, that I had been born into a situation where there was exponential growth backed by weapons of mass destruction ... whose prospects were extremely terrible to contemplate being extrapolated.

That is why I have spent most of my time thinking about those problems, and attempting to communicate my conclusions. However, to be honest about that, I have to face the facts that, so far, that has been proven to have been worthless to bother to do, since the same old-fashioned systems of organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition groups, STILL dominate the society that I was born into, and those are STILL automatically getting worse, faster, with no end in sight ...


The Disintegrating Empire Of "Controlled" Chaos

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 23:32 | 5876485 The Joker
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It is artificial selection that has when we are.  When the insane rule and sane drool, so to speak.  Humans have been intervening in natural selection for quite some time.  Directional selection.  Perhaps this is the root of the issue.  So to devise a theory of artificial selection to cope with the problem of directional selection seems counter-intuitive to me.  What we really need is a return to natural selection.  Alas, time is short.

 

Wed, 03/11/2015 - 02:32 | 5876663 Radical Marijuana
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Hah! Great sentence:

"When the insane rule and sane drool, so to speak."

In my view, intelligence was the internalization of natural selection. The problem with cultural systems of artificial selection was that the social successes of warfare were based on deceits and treacheries. Therefore, the kind of artificial selection which was developed was based on the history of warfare, so that the real death controls were done through the maximum possible deceits. That kind of human ecology became the foundation for the political economy based on enforced frauds, which evolved through fake "democracies" to become hyper-complicated crazy cultures, overflowing with counter-intuitive results.

As long as human beings continue to be able to build a mental model of the world, with a mental model of themselves within their mental model of the world, then they will end up recreating the kinds of natural selection that they perceive as forms of artificial selection. I can not see any way to return to natural selection, without the human species, and every other self-aware life form, going extinct.

In my view, when people euphemistically talk about a divine or natural selection, they are ignoring that the main responses to severely increased selection pressures will end up being channeled through human systems as runaway mass murders. I too think we have run out of time for the better kinds of artificial selection to be developed. Therefore, I expect us to collapse into more drastic back-up systems of relatively more natural selection, but that those will actually still primarily manifest as death insanities, since the stresses will likely cause people to regress, and result in worse mass murders than ever before in human history.

My view is that we should develop better death control systems, through radical paradigm shifts in militarism However, I do not expect that to happen within my life time ... But nevertheless, I continue to develop the theory of artificial selection, as I have been doing for several decades.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 01:37 | 5880508 MEAN BUSINESS
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It comes as no surprise that The Joker would be calling for a return to natural selection because she is banking that her children, grandchildren and so on would continue to be be socially successful. The Joker is going to be proud that her children will be Chelsea Clinton's bitches, maybe commander of the ship that launches the atomic bomb once Ms. Clinton gives the order.

 The Joker refuses to consider that the road back to natural selection, with greater death insanities every step of the way as artificial selection unwinds, is leading us to the 6th mass extinction. The Joker  deliberately ignores the findings of AR5 (cause, ya know, the greenhouse gas mechanisms are not real) and points to haarp and chemtrails instead.

The Joker cruises Zero Hedge threads looking for opportunities to declare AGW a NWO monstrous myth hoping to ingratiate herself with those who will be controlling the human systems that will be operating the Neolithic death controls as the "severely increased selection pressures" rise at an exponential rate. 

The Joker is NOT interested in developing better death controls shifting the paradigm of militarism. Au contraire.

Ask The Joker  how she feels about the one-child policy of China, Roe vs. Wade, birth control technology.

The Joker capitalizes on your comments RM because you are the only one on ZH that can offer a good argument to question the findings published in the AR5. Notice The Joker didn't respond to being called IGNORANT.

 The Joker's agenda is strictly personal. Just another cunt that wants to be part of the in-group running the world.

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Contrary to the "conquering hero" hollywood script, humanity is actually the cornered beast. We did make some effort while we were still free to develop better death controls (one-child policy, birth control technology) but those failed to keep pace with the problem. We have backed ourselves into a corner. We are incapable of enforcing a zero-child policy now, and that would be a minimum requirement at this 3 minute to midnight moment. That would have to be a universal policy enforced by militarism, employing the NSA, the "internet of things", and "community watch". The disruption in the economy from the zero-child policy would have to be addressed before stepping away from the strict policy. The first step could be a global lottery for the right to have a child.

Of course this will not happen. However, the continued destruction of the environment over the next several decades will, as you correctly perceive, result in worse mass murders than ever before in human history. The net effect of that is that the female population will largely become terrified of having children. The result will be that only the elite will continue to have children. This is the "natural selection" people like The Joker wish for. Unfortunately, at no time during this process has the criminal insanity of the death insanities magically disappeared.

Unfortunately, the toll of the continued ecological destruction during this process is ALMOST GUARANTEED to bring about a radical change in climate that will precipitate the 6th mass extinction. This is an horrendous realization when societies are already collapsing in epic fashion, which will bring about the TOTAL insanity and thus the complete end of civilization. Then the migration of the remaining tribes towards the Arctic Circle where the children grow wild until the day the atmosphere is finally unbreathable.

One way or another, there will be a zero-child policy. If we artificially created it tomorrow, there would be disruption. If it comes naturally 200-500 or even 1000 years from now, it will be game over.

 

ALL ROADS LEAD TO PARIS 2015

 

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 19:13 | 5887247 Radical Marijuana
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MEAN BUSINESS, I had previously not noticed the pattern that you proclaim regarding The Joker's posts ...

P.S.

Did you watch this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ew05sRDAcU

Top 6 Climate Change Problems

Another excellent summary by Ben Davidson.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 04:31 | 5893455 MEAN BUSINESS
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15MAR15

What Suspicious Observers ("SO") is telling us about their funding in that video is dwarfed by what they are NOT telling us about their funding.Their 'disclosure' does not REALLY disclose anything, like maybe a suspicious spike in their bank deposit one day?. They could volunteer better info, yes, but then we're forced to 'trust' the source. A court order similarly could yield some results but likewise may not necessarily be definitive. Maybe a savvy journalist could provide insight...

Given the rapidly approaching UNFCCC meeting in Paris, rooting out some peculiarities in SO's funding two, three, or five years from now would be less than headline news...

Are we so sure "private" funding is bulletproof? No. Perhaps public funding does have an advantage, as demonstrated in fine fashion just this year as a result of the 'freedom of information request' regarding Dr. Soon made by Greenpeace.

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Moments after SO talks funding, they're showing a screenshot of ClimateDepot.com from 07SEP14 featuring an article that shows there have been no significant spikes in temperature of the lower blahblahsphere in 18 years.

This repeats the pattern of the info being presented being dwarfed by the info not presented: The part of the atmosphere mentioned above when combined with the other parts of the atmosphere, the entire cryosphere, and all land... pales in comparison to the quantity of heat being absorbed by the ocean's top layer down to 700 feet and the next layer going from 700 down to 2000 feet.

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It is also worth noting that Monckton's article takes AR1 predictions of 1oC by 2025 to task ten years early... AR1 in 2015 SO?

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so dualities? "Pause!" "No Pause!" Suspicious Observers! World Meteorological Organization! Private! Public! (MEAN BUSINESS'S head explodes LOL!)

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chemtrails and haarp: I've never really doubted that inquiries and experiments have been undertaken, probably also on many things we've never ever heard of! However, there would be legitimate complaints given international law if any geoengineering efforts were being undertaken that violate other country's sovereignty. These complaints would have to be backed up with evidence sufficient to be able to proceed with indictments and therefore any evidence would be vigorously sought out to protect a nation's sovereignty. If chemtrails/haarp were the ALL FEARSOME GLOBAL THREAT TO EVERYTHING!!!!! that some claim, then where are the lawsuits?

My opinion is that the term "geoengineering" has been bastardized and conflated with chemtrails/haarp when in fact "geoengineering" projects would have to be undertaken on a massive scale, as for example the 'space mirror at L1', then they are thereby correctly identified, by virtue of the scale of the projects, as "geoengineering". At what point does me flying an ultra-light over a farm field  with a spray bottle of mysterious liquids become "geoengineering"?!?

My 80+yo Dad always thought that the planet was to big for us to have any noticeable effect...

As regards chemtrails specifically, how has passenger/cargo traffic changed in the areas where these photographs are taken? Where are the photos of these amazing scenes taken in relatively underpopulated places... that can be independently verified? What is the logic in conducting secret experiments in high-pop areas like California where people are encouraged by bloggers  to "just look up"?

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The Joker will tell you global warming is a fraud then point you to chemtrails/haarp and Morpheus will "publish" articles on Zero Hedge on chemtrails/haarp but fail to mention AR5 and now you're suggesting to me that I watch a Suspicious Observers video?

You are walking a fine line Rad and I have thanked you profusely for your contributions not only to me personally but for eye-popping comments to the blogosphere and beyond!

But PLEASE be careful. Remember: "30 years from now governments, but not only governments, decision makers at every level can be held accountable..." - Michelle Jarraud, WMO, 2014

There is zerp (that's ZH for zero) violence involved when Jarraud talks about accountability. What he means    is that should our names ever come up later in the century , or beyond!, in relation to words spoken and decisions taken in 2015, humanity may likely shed a tear for the silly things we talked about in 2015. Would-be parents were kept in the dark and fed bullshit for generations! But by 2015 we knEw enough; all roads were leading to Paris"".

 

 

 

 

crushing insanities. like now only worse : (          

 

"the Human chain leaves a bloody stain, washed away in the pounding waves" - not bizarrely it was motionless Canfield Oceans in the end. 

 

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:58 | 5874743 samsara
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Is she another dual passport holder?

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:01 | 5874760 Kirk2NCC1701
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A: Do bears shit in the woods?

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:06 | 5874792 Omega_Man
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sure is

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 15:59 | 5874745 serotonindumptruck
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Does USSA have "dead hand" nuclear launch capabilities like Russia?

I'm waiting for a massive preemptive "decapitation strike" on DC, Tampa Bay, and Minot to eliminate this threat of global thermonuclear destruction.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:00 | 5874754 Omega_Man
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When are Americans going to overthrow this regime in Washington and get rid of both democrats and republicans and restore the constitution?

Arrest them all and deport the dual citizens now!!

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 17:44 | 5875227 will ling
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arrested, tried, convicted and off to the gallows or firing squads.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:04 | 5874768 seataka
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Cornered RAT Syndrome

Rats will leave humans alone unless cornered, then there is nothing quite as ferocious to deal with

and Hell hath no fury as a sociopath who is being exposed..

WWIII is the psychopath's solution to having their crimes exposed..

So I am ROOTIN' FOR PUTIN.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 18:25 | 5875355 tarabel
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Well, calling him a rat is certainly a step in the right direction towards eventual enlightenment.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:03 | 5874770 czarangelus
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What's the point? 100 extra Grad targets. Russian artillery didn't have any difficulties making mincemeat of the Ukrainian Army, and frankly, I'm not sure the US Army's Apple Watch Edition style gizmos are a serious improvement over the slack-jawed local Ukies.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 18:24 | 5875352 tarabel
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Ukraine has artillery as well, but artillery is all about communication with the FOs.

I'm all in favor of a fair fight, so let's give Ukraine the miltary grade communications equipment they are begging for so they are not jammed by all the top shelf Russian scrambling gear that is oh-so-easy for former miners and tractor drivers to operate successfully.

 

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:05 | 5874784 Omega_Man
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Did you know that Lenin, Trotsky, Nuland, Poroshencko, Yats, Oligarchs, most elected members of the Ukraine Rada all have something in common  - their religion.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 21:40 | 5876109 Anunnaki
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Ferret face Yat the Rat is a Scientologist

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:06 | 5874785 astoriajoe
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I'm getting old.

The new kid in the next office is coo-ing about some trade for some sports team. That's all I ever hear him react to.

He's living the young guy in nyc or whatever city life.

Maybe its better he has no idea what the world brings.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:07 | 5874795 Icelandicsaga.....
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Nuland goes back to Strobe Talbot and Clinton era.. although she served as a top adviser to Cheney . .all neocons are progresssive .. she is above all a neocon .. a war for power type .. as long as they hold the power they have no moral conscience or grip on reality ..they are stuck in an era when the US could afford mulitple wars on many fronts.. they have not grasped that era is OVER  .. they only want to maintain US hegemon status in Europe ... please tell NATO .. its over .. the PTB want war and will get it one wy or the other ..and we are in no way shape or form READY for it. 

Victoria Nuland, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, is a holdover from the administration of George W. Bush, where she served as Dick Cheney’s chief foreign policy advisor and subsequently US ambassador to NATO. She goes farther back than that, however, having served under Strobe Talbott at the State Department during the Clinton years – yes, the same Strobe Talbott who, only the other day, tweeted:

“It’s time to heed a common Russian phrase that #Putin violates with every breath: ‘Call things by their own name.’ We’re in a new cold,,,,,,,Here the continuity of US foreign policy since the end of the cold war is dramatized, and Nuland’s career trajectory epitomizes this consistency. The Clinton regime was implacably hostile to the Russians, as the Kosovo intervention demonstrated, but it didn’t end there: Clintonian incursions into Russia’s “near abroad” in Central Asia were formalized by the creation of a special US agency to promote US oil interests in the region, and the regime change operation in Kosovo and Serbia only served to underscore the seriousness with which they approached this project.http://davidstockmanscontracorner.com/washingtons-ukrainian-policy-liars...

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 18:15 | 5875324 combatsnoopy
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nuland just wants to violate putin.  it's gin and tonic all the way to cougarville!

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:12 | 5874805 atthelake
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Pushing for war with Russia while he disarms Americans. Care to guess why?

I've been trying to come up with a real plan but I can't figure out how you and I can survive this..

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:39 | 5874995 Ferrari
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Don't blame yourself. Humans can't survive what's coming down the pipe.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:09 | 5874809 Omega_Man
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We need our Army to resign and take over washington. Get rid of this evil. Let the states rule while we sort out a new federal gov. 

 

Call to Arms!! Arrest Nuland and all elected Fed Gov Officials now. 

 

All Forces to resign their commands and return to the USA as once! 

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:10 | 5874819 wmbz
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If/when WW3 gets started (and it may already have) then they (the USSR and whomever else) have picked the right time.

Obozo and his cast of pussy boys will hoist up the white flag!

It does appear the shit is getting ready to be tossed into the fan! Won't be pretty!

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:16 | 5874832 Omega_Man
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If you could go back in time and take out Stalin or Hitler they say that would be a good thing....so how does this apply to today?

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:13 | 5874835 joego1
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The Latvians hate Russians.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 18:19 | 5875334 tarabel
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Hmmm. I wonder why?

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 18:57 | 5875526 corsair
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To wonder is healthy. It might lead to enlightenment.

Let me try to assist you in that endeavour. Who do you hate?

Germans? Japanese?

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 21:37 | 5876095 Anunnaki
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Catholic bigotry vs Orthodx Russia

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:14 | 5874844 TalkToLind
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Send them cookies.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:36 | 5874974 Ordalium
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We choose better potatoes

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:14 | 5874845 rejected
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Some things America never runs out of,,, bullshit, bravado and arrogance.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:15 | 5874850 large_wooden_badger
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In NATO-held Ukraine, war starts you

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:15 | 5874852 Duc888
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Someone explain to me why the fuck I should care if Russia is protecting Russians in Crimea which has been part of Russia since Catherine the Great?

 

Bueller?

 

Bueller?

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:17 | 5874857 mastersnark
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Like most Americans, I can't locate Latvia on a map but I'm deeply concerned about who runs that particular country.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:16 | 5874859 adonisdemilo
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Freedom from US interference would be an excellent starting point.

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:17 | 5874864 markar
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“I will make another trip out to some of those countries in the coming days and weeks.”

Dear Greece, Cyprus, & Hungary,

Please do not return. Dispose of accordingly

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:19 | 5874879 Joe Tierney
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State Dept. said this move will "demonstrate resolve to President Putin and Russia that collectively we can come together,"

 

Uhm, well, yeah - but isn't "cuming together" what any circle-jerk can do?

Tue, 03/10/2015 - 16:24 | 5874903 lakecity55
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This can only mean the Financial Ponzi is close to collapse!

I mean, this means war before too long....

I have to go put some gold in my tank.

-Oddball.

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