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Tsipras Slams “Crimes Of Third Reich And Hitler’s Hordes", Threatens Seizure Of German Assets
Earlier today, despite fears that it may not find enough cash to fund its latest T-Bill rollover, Greece was able to sell €1.3 billion of three-month Treasury bills, covering the amount it wanted to refinance a maturing issue, in what Reuters dubbed was an "auction that tested its ability to raise funds amid a cash crunch." The paper came at a higher cost as the T-bills were priced to yield 2.70 percent, up 20 basis points from 2.50 percent in a previous sale in February, the country's debt agency PDMA said.
However, this latest funding appears to have brought Greek funds to a critical low level because roughly at the same time news broke that Greek Justice Minister Nikos Paraskevopoulos said he is ready to sign an older court ruling that will enable the foreclosure of German assets in Greece in order to compensate the relatives of victims of Nazi crimes during the Second World War.
As Kathimerini reports, Greece's Supreme Court ruled in favor of Distomo survivors in 2000, but the decision has not been enforced. Distomo, a small village in central Greece, lost 218 lives in a Nazi massacre in 1944.
“The law states that in order to implement the ruling of the Supreme Court, the minister of justice has to order it. I believe this permission should be given and I’m ready to give it, notwithstanding any obstacles," Paraskevopoulos told Antenna TV on Wednesday.
“There must probably be some negotiation with Germany,” said Paraskevopoulos, who first announced his intention Tuesday during a Parliament debate on the creation of a committee to seek war reparations, the repayment of a forced loan and the return of antiquities.
Some background on the story from Keep Talking Greece:
On Tuesday, Greek Justice Minister Nikos Paraskevopoulos said that he was ready to sign an older decision issued in year 2000 by Greece’s Highest Court Areios Pagos that enables confiscation of German state property in Greece. The court decision confirmed the First Instance Court decision of 1997 that had ruled that Germany had to pay €28 million to descendants of the Distomo massacre.
On 10 June 1944, Waffen SS killed 218 men, women and children of Distomo village, in reprisal for attacks by resistance fighters.
“The confiscation of German property in Greece would affect the Goethe Institute and the German Schools in Athens and Thessaloniki,” Greek media report.
Speaking to ANT1 TV this morning, Paraskevopoulos said that the court decision needs only the signature of the Justice Minister in order to go in effect. However he implied that this will not be done immediately.
According to Greek media, already in 2000, PASOK Justice Minister had signed the court decision and a justicial clerk appeared at the door of Goethe Institute in Athens.
“However, the Justice minister withdrew his signature. after a couple of days later Germany approved the entrance of Greece to the Euro zone,” notes Proto Thema.
But the Justice Minister and every Justice Minister has to take into consideration the impact on bilateral relations.
Also on Tuesday, deputy Defense Minister Kostas Ysichos said that the ministry has the so-called Wehrmacht- Archive, an archive of 400,000 records of the German occupation, that is currently in the process of digitilization.
Clearly this would not set a favorable precedent for wealth redistribution within the European "Union."
As KTG succinctly observes, "The decision comes amid a frozen atmosphere between Greece and Germany over bailout reforms and a series of insults spoken by German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble against his couPnterpart Yanis Varoufakis."
During the same debate, Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras expressed his government’s firm intention to seek war reparations from Germany, noting that Athens would show sensitivity that it hoped to see reciprocated from Berlin.
Then again, "sensitive" is hardly how one would characterize his speech: when speaking before Parliament, Tsipras accused Germany of using legal tricks to avoid paying reparations for the Nazi occupation of Greece and said he would support parliamentary efforts to review the matter.
“After the reunification of Germany in 1990, the legal and political conditions were created for this issue to be solved. But since then, German governments chose silence, legal tricks and delay. And I wonder, because there is a lot of talk at the European level these days about moral issues: is this stance moral?” Tsipras said and added that "despite the crimes of the Third Reich and Hitler’s hordes, the German debt was written off".
Germany has repeatedly rejected Greek calls for WWII reparations claiming that “war compensations to individuals was settled with the Agreement of 1960? and the “Agreement of 1990.”
However, “the Agreement of 1960 covered only compensation for the individual victims of Nazi horrors, not the destruction wrought on Greece during the 1941-1944 occupation and the enforced loan,” Tsipras said.
Why is Greece pushing for any recovery on the reparations front? Because the amount for the cash-strapped, and now desperate, country could be substantial: "according to some sources, the Greek claims from Germany are estimated €269 – €332 billion. In April 2013, after the investigation committee concluded its work, newspaper To Vima reported that the Greek claim was 162 billion euro."
To Vima stressed to have seen the findings and reports that the experts found that Germany should pay Greece 108 billion euros for damage to infrastructure and 54 billion euros for a loan that the Nazi occupation forces obliged Greece to take in order to pay Berlin during the war.
In other words, the reparations are equivalent to about 80 percent of Greek gross domestic product.
Clearly this is merely the initial Greek ask. It would settle for anything. However, judging by the less than frosty German response, it will get exactly nothing: as Bloomberg reports, Germany views Greek reparations claims related to World War II as closed, Chancellor Angela Merkel’s spokesman Steffen Seibert says. "Germany has made its stance known and is sticking with it." FinMin spokesman Martin Jaeger added that Germany "won’t negotiate on Greek claims because “this chapter is legally and politically closed as far as we’re concerned" adding that "Germany is very aware” of “moral responsibility” for legacy of Nazi era but that doesn’t change govt’s legal and political assessment."
This is ironic considering just two days ago...
German Chancellor #AngelaMerkel reminds Japan to face its wartime past during her two-day visit. pic.twitter.com/0fTM72xFs8
— CCTVNEWS (@cctvnews) March 10, 2015
Sarcasm aside, digging up old wounds will merely accelerate the (less than) amicable parting of ways, especially after a speech earlier by ECB's Draghi in which he said that ECB bond buying "may be shielding countries in the euro zone from any knock-on effect from events in Greece, ECB President Mario Draghi said on Wednesday."
Which simply means that just because European government bond yields are on their way to 0% or below, the ECB is now convinced that any Greek leverage has been lost, and the more Greece pushes, the more likely the divorce finally takes place, even if a Grexit ultimately does open up a whole new can of worms because as Italy's Padoan said yesterday, a "Euro exit would show that the Euro is not irreversible." But we'll cross that particular bridge once we get to it.
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The Fed needs to pay 18 trillion in repatriations to Americans.
Sorry Greece.
At least you got a Nick Cage movie out of the deal. The bad news was that he played the mandolin as bad as he acted.
By the end of the movie I was rooting for the Germans.
Lol!
No drachmas will be printed until GS says 'Go'.
Oh, here's is another one (Shill) - Mr. Shovelhead - which is probably apt. Another MK idiot. I wonder if they are arriving in force on this thread because of me???? They are sooooooo transparent, aren't they? Look, he is soooo ignorant, he takes a pop at a MOVIE made in the late 1990s (I am not sure when it was made) based on a 1994 book which, actually, was about an Italian soldier during the Italian occupation of Greece which ended with the Italians actually fighting the Germans after Italy surrendered in 1943! The Germans, by the way, sent military units to Greece because they didn't really trust the Italians.
So this pathetic little WORM, SHITHEAD, tries to smear Greece (yes, pun was intended) with his pathetic pop at Nick Cage. Yes, Cage was mis-cast as Captain Corelli but what has that to do with anything I have told you in previous posts here? AS I SAID: UTTERLY AND TRULY PATHETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Yes.
I'm sure it's all about you. I get email messages that remind me to SMEAR GREECE when you show up at ZH.
Good luck with your new panhandling project. It may seem to be a Sisyphus like effort to snatch a few more Euros from German hands but you have the emotional fervor to carry you onward to glory.
Opa!
Check your meds.
Psychotic breaks can happen at any time.
Delusions, paranoia. and a persecution complex all in one post.
Have a happy Day!
Try to remove the grannie panties from your vagina before you get all verklempt.
Sheesh, if this is what Greeks are like, then shovel them all into gas chambers. Then in another 75 years they'll really have something to demand reparations for. /s
I thought this was out of the Onion for a moment. Greece is demanding war reparations from World War II? You expect people to believe it isn't a desperate and political move, given the state of Greece's finances? At the very least, they can drop the act that this is for "remembering those who were killed" during the war, if anything Syriza should be absolutely ashamed for exploiting the tragedies of WW2 for an economic handout.
Stop dicking around, and do what you were elected to do. Grexit time.
This is exactly what they were elected to do. The people voted for an end to austerity. They won't/can't pay more taxes. So they voted for more free shit that someone else pays for.
The new gov, panhandling around europe is exactly what the voter asked for. But wait -- I thought they had PRIDE.
RARE VIDEO OF THE GERMAN OCCUPATION OF ATHENS GREECE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DRCigieoOYs
I nominate those Greek Syriza dudes all for the Best Actor Oscar - those dudes are good!
And for the Best Drama Oscar.
Gotta hand it to them - that was, and continues to be, one of the best performances in quite a long time.
Bravo!
RARE VIDEO OF THE GERMAN OCCUPATION OF ATHENS GREECE PART 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eslVB34UswQ
THE NAZI CRIMES IN GREECE
http://youtu.be/XgT5lLTKWP0
"German Chancellor #AngelaMerkel reminds Japan to face its wartime past during her two-day visit". ......
I wonder where Germany would be today if there debt wasnt forgiven!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
HYPOCRITE!!!!!
Entire Western Europe should thank USSR for the express rebuilding after WW2.
Marshall Plans and easy-peasy credit lines, you know the rest...
And once he seizes German assets, the Germans will promptly send all the Greeks packing. Then we can all enjoy another round of Greek whining over the evil Germans.
Can they seize a bunch 0f bonds"
Germanic people built the Acropolis, the Towers of Babylon and the Pyramids of Giza .... who else could have done it .... the Mudslimes ?
...and then the Italians took over the Construction Unions leaving Greece in history.
I believe "blood libel" is the legal theory for holding the current population of Germans accountable for something none of them did 71 years ago, amirite?
Er...No
Not even close.
Published rare records for the German occupation
A rare archival material arises from today in support of its cross-party parliamentary committee for claiming German reparations and debts. These are 400,000 documents that enrich a few months ago the historical records of the Armed Forces. The files come from the US, concerning the calendars of the Wehrmacht and the occupying forces in the period 1941-1944 in Greece.
Published rare records for the German occupation
The Deputy Minister of Defence Costas Quiet, announced tonight on national delegation that these files are already in the process of digitization, it is now open to all academic institutes, universities, students, schools and all citizens who will have free access to this valuable historical material.
These documents are recorded illegal archaeological excavations in the period 1941-1944, extraction, and exploitation of precious metal minerals in the Territory also recorded disasters historical monuments and desecration, airports disasters, ports, roads, bridges and houses.
It is noteworthy that these documents are not only part of the historical archives and the occupying troops. Ie recorded data by themselves conquerors and hence no doubt fit into them.
http://www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?catid=22767&subid=2&pubid=64153573
Published rare records for the German occupation
A rare archival material arises from today in support of its cross-party parliamentary committee for claiming German reparations and debts. These are 400,000 documents that enrich a few months ago the historical records of the Armed Forces. The files come from the US, concerning the calendars of the Wehrmacht and the occupying forces in the period 1941-1944 in Greece.
Published rare records for the German occupation
The Deputy Minister of Defence Costas Quiet, announced tonight on national delegation that these files are already in the process of digitization, it is now open to all academic institutes, universities, students, schools and all citizens who will have free access to this valuable historical material.
These documents are recorded illegal archaeological excavations in the period 1941-1944, extraction, and exploitation of precious metal minerals in the Territory also recorded disasters historical monuments and desecration, airports disasters, ports, roads, bridges and houses.
It is noteworthy that these documents are not only part of the historical archives and the occupying troops. Ie recorded data by themselves conquerors and hence no doubt fit into them.
http://www.ethnos.gr/article.asp?catid=22767&subid=2&pubid=64153573
Fucking great. If you can find the living person that harmed you, by all means sue them. However, you cannot sue the son for the father's crimes.
Now piss off and get a job, you useless wanker. Produce something of value and get back that pride you claim to have. I will think of greece every time some panhandler asks me for spare change. If I see that he has 2 healthy arms and legs the answer is a polite "no".
EXPELL THE GREEK VERMIN FROM THE EU !!!!
Despite the unending tsunami of propaganda to the contrary the behaviour of the Wehrmacht was no different to that of most occupation armies and better than that of many (e.g. Soviet Army). But a lot of people have done well out of portraying them as the Devil Incarnate.
While we are at it... how 'bout reparations for Serbia in '99?
@22winmag,
++1000
1917
Finally, Greeks go commie and seize assets!
hahaha!
seizing assets is one thing, monetizing them is another (ideally you get the germans to buy them back)
PATHETIC
While cauldron bubbles in Eurozone all around Greece and Ukraine, here is what is in store for Chaosistan ME :
The Empire of Chaos that the GWB Crusade prolonged in ME to neutralise the Sunni fundamentalist revolt; fall out of US's oil patch plays, after failure of Saddam's incursion into Ayatollah Iran (at the behest of Saud/US axis); ---and as the logical spread of the empire of chaos that was initiated by Pax Americana's Nam rage to launch the asymmetric war games of global "arms bazaar" MIC oligarchy age--, is now looking like coming to an end (at least in its current form) in the ME; especially if the Israeli elections EJECT Netty yahoo from his intransigent perch and control of Zionist, apartheid inclined, uncompromising, warmongering Israel.
Here is why :
1° The current Admin will swing sides by signing a peace with Iran and concentrating its efforts on ISIS cleaning. If Netty yahoo wins this strategy will be more difficult (as the Repub alignment to Netty's views in current Senate stand-off has proven).
2° The new Saud King is aligned to this position of now considering ISIS as main enemy and relegating Assad's regime's removal as a SECONDARY ISSUE.
This is an awesome reversal of past Saudi strategy concocted by Bandar with backing of defunct king. Assad is now Kosher to Obama admin and will be more so to Saud, especially if Iran is part of new ME team and Netty's rage is now a page that will be turned in Israel.
3° All US allies, including France and Turkey--both rabidly ANTI ASSAD-- will be asked to kow tow to this new Pax Americana/Saud line which will obviously be backed by Iran.
4° The new regional coalition will then go after ISIS big time and the Daesh Caliphate should be history by end of 2015 if this plays out.
5° The Jihadists--who currently act like a Conquistador/Condotorri breed fighting for rabid Sunni creed-- will then be exported (as some of them are from that origin) to the Caucasus region, as the shooting match between the US and Putin is NOT OVER; far from it.
But that requires for the Syrac problem to be laid to rest for the US to concentrate on its new COld war challenge vs the eventual Russia-China axis.
ME will then become a less dangerous zone and Central Asia the new cauldron.
Prince Alweed bin Talal is the largest individual shareholder of Citigroup, according to the Guardian. Citibank penned HB37, passed with Res. 27, relieving the banks of responsibility for their derivative debt, according to Sputnik News. My guess is that ISIS and company are the "bankers' army."
If Greece doesn't dance when the banking elite shoot at their feet, ISIS will soon be in Greece.
Great grandsons are not responsible for the sins of their great grandfathers.
Um, kemo sabe. Me want land back.
The Krauts are really something !!!!!!
So shortsighted they are with their little interest over debt issued for their own industry's sake (in a concealed dumping move for that matter), that they gave away the real prize.
So long for being the european hegemons !!!!!
Now you will taste your own medicine when the real Leaders -Russians et all- take over.
As soon as the chinese learn how to build your machinery (and they will, be sure of it), get to the bottom of the soup line... behind the greeks, of course !
Fuck the Troika, sorry. "institutions".
Default, stop messing about.
Tell the banksters and other assorted scamsters to eat their bloody stupid, ruinous bonds and derivatives.
Bust the bloody lot of them, let's see some proper capitalism at work.
It's called "Fuck the TIFKAT (The institution formerly known as Troika)
Fuckin' A, Mr. Panos approves.
And by the way the Vikings raided my ancestors village and stole my future. I too want reparations.
Go back in time until you find one of the bastards still alive. Sue him, or get what ever justice was available then. Easy.
How can they forget, and we not mention it here, that it was the Italians that invaded Greece in 1941 and the Wehrmacht only helped out when things went wrong? Me bad, Italy doesn't have any money.
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http://www.deutsche-finanzagentur.de/foot-navigation/impressum/So....does this mean everyone in the world should be demanding "reparations" for every war? After all, every conflict saw loss of life and theft of property and land. Perhaps a world wide redistribution is in order. As I remember it the Greeks did a fair of bit rape, theft, and pillage in their time, albeit a fair number of years back. Too far back you say? OK...what is the Statue of Limitations. Which wars qualify. The Russians caused a fair amount of damage, as did the Serbs, and a host of middle European countries. Let us also not forget Napoleon, or for that matter good old England. In the USA, some groups still want pre-Civil War reparations.
.....(before I get flamed, I am not defending Nazis).... Just thinking this 'historical reparations' stuff is starting to get old.
You're all over the place and not in perspective
Do not conflate Soviet USSR with Russians all that revolutions was never a Russian construct
Worldwide British Loundon would be at top
until recent US brake records...
serbs?
Different war....Middle ages...before they were really known as Serbia. Just pointing out that if the world insists on reliving every old conflict, we will never move on.
Me starting to think that this whole new greek govt thing is just another Soros op to misdirect the people against the ZWO criminals.
We all do what we can.
If jews can get compensation from Germany, they will.
If Chinese can get compensation from Japanese they will.
What's wrong with Greece trying to get some compensation? Good try.
My best wishes. Go for it dear Greeks. Germans have the money to pay.
Germans have been working hard making quality goods and accumulating a lot of resources. Go get it.
Pathetic. Where is the self pride to stand up on your own damn two feet and get your country working again. Greece could be given free billions and they would still be in a big vat of shit...oh wait you mean billions have already been scooped into that vat of shit already... And now they are blaming the ghosts of a different generation's war?
Gteece has to understand, Two wrongs don't make a right........unless your a central bank.
Heyya go Pilgrim. The Germans dont want to be responsible for what a previous govt did. That is richstig. But neither do the Greeks, and that is right too. It is is one way or the other.
I guess the next step will be to go after the Persians for Thermopylae....
Now that would be a true Marathon!
That's pretty desperate. Bet they'll blame the nazi's again in 30 years from now when they are still have their finances ass over head.
This schtick is getting old. What's the ACTUAL plan to save the Greek economy? You know, besides begging for more money from those evil Germans.
plan would be no parasite leader class...
precedent has been set and billions paid out already
greece has less rights?
Could it be that Tsipras has just now discovered that he is jewish?
Just a diversion to make the greeks think their new leader didn't let Germany "slide it in all the way"
I think you guys are being a bit too critical; "wait and see" seems to be a better watchword on this. The Greeks are constructing a legal framework for saying "fuck you ain't gonna pay," now let's see if they can do it.
It took the Nazi's to default on German debts in 1933.
Perhaps, it will take Golden Dawn to default on Greek debt.
Veroufakis has too much of the champagne, socialist about him.
Touche mofos!
I like this guy.
"What's good for the goose is good for the gander". Unless, of course, if the central bankers lose money, then it's fuck off and pay up.
www.traderzoo.mobi
I saw a young guy in George street today on all fours with a plastic cup, begging for money -
on a bright sunny day....disgusting shit...
fucking bludgers !
those Greek leeches are just the same - fucking useless ....
looking for free lunches and hand-outs.
Arseholes.
the world is full of useless Idiots and scammers who feel entitled to a life of luxury
sitting on their fat arses surfing social media sites talking shit, while waiting for their next welfare check.
useless fucks!
(go and do some volunteer work or help your old Mum and Dad or recycle some garbage)
WR;)
They couldn't be worse :
...into consideration the impact on bilateral relations.....
Greeks, go for it!
if Khazars get along with it, you should as well.
They need money to fund their caviar-leftist gay pride parades and mass immigration.
Your great great great grandfather was a thief & a murderer ..... are you personally responsible?
You, personally, have recieved proceeds of his theft ...... are you liable to repay?
Time to cut off money supply and bring those ungrateful early retired pensioners back to productive work on olives plantations & Drachme. Donkey carts will bring them back to reverent modesty.
Why doesn't the US give Greece the money like they did to get them into the EU in the first place? Greece and other weaker countries did not qualify in the first place. The UK wanted nothing to do with all that nonsense did they?
However, a one world currency cannot exist if the Euro sticks around and every country goes back to its own currencies.
Is part of the end game to collapse the Euro and replace it with the USD and ultimately attempt toward a one world electronic currency?
China does not play in this game, so it appears these aims are still a bit far off.
Is this all just a method to get countries to collapse and take them over through economic warfare? It appears Greece is just done and it may be a matter of which country takes them over? Maybe Germany wants what the US no longer needs, or who knows maybe they make it part of Europe and each country has a ownership interest in the country. Oh...that is the EU already, never mind.
Let's hope we never have to pay reparations for the Obama Chronicles.
at the same time greek girls are the real motor of greek economy!
http://www.xvideos.com/video10222581/sexy_greek_students_doing_porn_to_s...
(sniff) I'm getting all teary eyed. Ah, those were the days, no?
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Sorry, newscloaca, not even remotely on topic.
No potato for you.
TSIPRAS TURNING INTO PAPANDREOU? (Berenberg)
"While we continue to see Prime Minister Tsipras performing the remaining U-turns on his impossible election promises to secure the necessary funding as the most likely scenario (50% chance), a change in the government (25%) or Grexit (25%) remain alternative outcomes with substantial probabilities.”
One can just imagine who the Greeks are going to blame next.
These cocksuckers are not going to repay any loan or debt and are going to scrape the bottom of any barrel to come up with an excuse or reason not to.
FUCK UM.
This is not going to "fix" Greece.
"Luhansk People's Republics" terrorist mocks people in Luhansk, because man doesn't want to take part in these terorist activities. Only soldiers from russia and some local criminals are there. Normal people leave them behind.
http://youtu.be/S6YtRjdwbmo
Russia Federation representative after slip of the word admits Russia Federation army = pro-russian terrorists in Ukraine:
http://youtu.be/aRKqcQ2aEio
"...Ukraine army forces was located in region encircled. WE (he is speaking as Russian Federation representative in UN) OFFERED THEM TO GO OUT ... EEE... REBELS OFFERED THEM GO OUT QUITLY and... and... so .. eeee (confused about fact that he just admitted whole world was saying and Russia was denying)"
It's like this guy who’s word slipped that Pentagon was attacked by missile not by plane:
http://youtu.be/cUmr9dFbf2c
Some times slip of the word happens and truth comes out from liar mouth.
.
Still waiting on that to happen with you.
The debts everyone has taken on will not be repaid. They can't be.
All the pain everyone has caused everyone over the course of human history also, clearly, will not be repaid. It can't be.
When the CDSs get triggered, there will not be enough money in reserves to cover what is going to be requested.
The whole system is unsustainable.
The bickering about the details is going to kill us.
I really see the debt jubillee point of view (though I have no personal debt). Holding on to this sesne of being owed is the problem.
The whole thing is absurd. Everyone is going to selfishly squawk about what they are owed because THIS is how hell will be unleashed.
We are all small furry organisms on the face of earth. We are owed nothing. We all need to suck this up. This shit is going down if we don't.
I am okay with some bankers eating some shit, you understand. They are owed, after all...
Fine, then. Let Attila the Hun cut 'em all a check.
Bankers only have one product, debt (loans).
National leaders only have a short time in office.
National leaders and bankers can enable grand projects with debt.
National taxpayers pick up this debt in the future, when that leader has long gone.
Let's face it it's not just Greece, national leaders have their grand plans and bankers can provide the money to carry them out.
Tax payers have to foot the bill in the future as the repayments on the debt become due.
When national leaders want to go to war, bankers have the money to allow them to do it.
Tax payers can pay for it later.
When a government is dependent upon bankers for money, they and not the leaders of the government control the situation, since the hand that gives is above the hand that takes… Money has no motherland; financiers are without patriotism and without decency; their sole object is gain.” – Napoleon Bonaparte, Emperor of France, 1815
If you occupy our holiday homes we will boycott tzatziki. Let's try who stands longer! ;-)
Socialists/Marxists welshing on debts? Say it ain't so! (.)(.)
What debt?....if it's created from fuck all?
Greece should concentrate its effort on demanding the return of the money loaned to Germany during Occupation (which now is worth billions). When they ask for reparations for war crimes so many years after the fact, people don't take them seriously. But a demand for repayment of the loan is something fewer people would question.
There are two types of debt.
1. Real debt resulting from trade of effort & talent.
2. Artificial debt created from fuck all.
Which did the Greek borrow?
You signed the contract ..... YOU pay it back.
Why should a young Greek person repay?..... he didn't sign for it.
It's the Roman Empire's fault - Not Germany.
I would have agreed with you if Germany hadn't stuck its fingers into the Roman Empire's pie. Just one pie follows: http://www.dw.de/greece-indicts-13-germans-over-siemens-bribery-scandal/...
all you fucktards are calling tspiras a clown. somehow you fucktards have forgotten that this clowning around is in anticpiation of something very serious, a full scale impoverishment of a country.
what does this mean? CIVIL STRIFE AND CIVIL WAR IS WHAT IT MEANS.
IT MEANS THAT LIKE WITH THE POST SOVIET UNION-----------BANKSTER FUNDED OLIGARCHS IN GREECE WILL FUCK THEIR OWN PEOPLE OVER.
WHO WILL FUND GOLDEN DAWN? WHO WILL FUNDED THE SOCIALISTS?
WHAT IF THE SAME PEOPLE FUND BOTH-------AS THEY ATTEMPT TO PLUNDER GREECE THROUGH CONTROLLED CHAOS LIKE THE SRI LANKA MODEL.
THAT IS WHY MR TSIPRAS IS DOING WHAT HE IS DOING. HE IS ANTICIPATING A CIVIL DIVIDE ERUPTING IN POST DRACHMA GREECE. ONE WHERE VAST AMOUNTS OF POVERTY PUSH PEOPLE TO THE NAZI GOLDEN DAWN PARTY THAT IS WILLING TO KILL THEIR OWN -----AND TAKE MONEY FROM THE WEST TO DO IT.
A little negative Nazi sentiment is useful, about now, interesting observation.
If we see them as sincere in trying to do the will of the Greek people (and I understand why people doubt, we see pols say anything to get elected and do fuck all when they get in) this is truly balls to the wall, a rock and hardspot they have stepped into. If they are still playing out their hand, they are heroes for even stepping up to bat to try to do it. But to try to steer things so that Golden Dawn is not where things degenerate to is an important move. And with so much else on their plate. If they are sincere it sure would be nice for everyone to get their backs. If you are right, divisiveness is killing their chances for improving the outcome.
Thanks for your post.
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