Daniel Hannan Explains How Democracy Died In Europe

Tyler Durden's picture

With Greece on the edge of being kicked out of the Eurozone , either voluntarily or otherwise, with an anti-austerity party on the verge of taking over the reins of power in Spain, with Beppe Grillo waiting in the corridors for his chance to pounce in Italy and with Marine le Pen and her nationalist party on the verge of becoming the biggest shocker of Europe over the coming years, here, according to Daniel Hannan, is what killed democracy in Europe. Europe itself.

Here are the punchlines, which are all based documented fact:

We were told the Euro would be an antidote to extremism, that it would make countries get on better, and make moderate politics more mainstream. Well, how's that working out for you. Look at the elections in Greece - a Trotskyist party came first, a Nazi party came third. And as for the national animosities read the way the German newspaper now refer to the Greeks and vice versa. Would you say this is soothing or stoking national rivalries in Europe?

 

But worst of all is the impact on democratic accountability. After the Greek election results came in, the German finance minister said "elections change nothing." He was talking specifically about Greece but this could be a watchword describing the entire Brussels racket. As Jean Claude Juncker put it the next day, "there can be no democratic choice against the European treaties." This is the same European Commission that in late 2011 in Italy and Greece engaged in practice in civilian coups, toppling elected prime ministers and replacing them with former technocrats.

 

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As the former president of the European Commission Barroso puts it, "democratic governments are often wrong. If you trust them too much they make bad decisions." And so we have this syste,min Europe where power is deliberately vested in the hands of people who are invulnerable to public opinion. Being against that shouldn't make you anti-Europe, it doesn't make you Euroskeptic, it makes you pro-democracy. What a tragedy that in the country where democracy was born, in the part of the world that evolved this sublime idea, that our rulers should be accountable to the rest of us, in that same country that wonderful idea that laws should not be passed nor taxes raised except by our own representatives, has been abandoned."

Tragedy indeed, and while nobody else is willing to admit it, only a violent overthrow of this unelected group of self-serving oligarchs is the only probably outcome.

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HonkyShogun's picture
HonkyShogun (not verified) Mar 12, 2015 3:37 PM

So it's called Democracy when big money Hebrew bankers buy off your leadership and make laws enforcing their outright theft of your treasure, blood and freedoms.

 

Noted.

TruxtonSpangler's picture

They wont grexit and they wont be kicked out. THey will default within the EuroZone. Thats the plan.

101 years and counting's picture

what killed democracy in europe:  GS fudging Greek numbers or Troika fucking over the entire continent so DB never faces a loss on greek debt?

pods's picture

I think going back to clans might even be worth it. 

Everyone clamors about democracy, then out come the old adages about wolves and sheep. It's tiring.  Like stories to put little kids to sleep at night. See, you are free, now shhhhhh.

Truth is we are all slaves in one way or another.

Slaves to the bankers, to our representative governments who in turn are slaves to the bankers.

I laugh when people puff their chests out to talk about how free they are.  As soon as I say something that rains on their little worldview, the violence comes out.

pods

Wolferl's picture

Pretty stupid, even for a moron like D. Hannan. Usually Farrage at least has has some whit in his nationalistic British rants.

Anusocracy's picture

The trick is to kill off government. Everything else is just reloading psychopaths.

buyingsterling's picture

When the Eurosatists say that democracy can't be trusted, isn't that saying that they won't be peacefully removed from power?

 

Bendromeda Strain's picture

In America we admire the passion and the balls of some of the European protests, but it will take plowshares into swords to undo this evil power takeover. A disarmed populace unfortunately will only watch. Do you really think Juncker's army is for the Russians? Hah! It only takes a cursory reading of some ancient texts to know that the ultimate evil is birthed from the womb of the EU. When it finally is apparent to all, TOO LATE - the army will crush the rebellion. IT WILL BE TELEVISED.

froze25's picture

I have had this discussion with my cousin (total Neo-Con programmed Pleb, still love him) many times.  First I ask are we a free country?  He answers "Yes".  Than I say do you own your house? He replies "Yes".  Than I say do you intend to cause harm to your neighbors?  He says, "of coarse not".  Than I say can you build a Deck in your yard over 6 inches off the ground without getting permission?  He's says "No".  Than I ask, is this a free country and laugh at him.

Anusocracy's picture

It would make about as much sense to talk to an ant about freedom.

buyingsterling's picture

Born with your knowledge, were you?

Anusocracy's picture

No, and an ant isn't born with the knowledge I possess either. The difference being that the ant is incapable of learning it. So your point is?

I suppose you are one of the types who think that with enough education, anyone could be Albert Einstein. Or Ron Paul. Not so.

Sorry to burst your bubble on that.

DFCtomm's picture

Why do you imagine your cousin who seems to care about freedom not mind the building codes? Why do you think he's willing to sacrifice that small bit of freedom, and what does he think he's gaining?

DFCtomm's picture

That's not shocking. What is shocking is that the majority of the population doesn't mind the slavery, and is more than willing to exchange their freedom for their comfort and security. You see freedom is terrifying because it's the freedom to fail.

froze25's picture

Can't succeed if you can't fail.

buyingsterling's picture

They aren't tolerating slavery in their minds, and neither were you before you woke up. Was it quick and easy for you? Let's stop denigrating everyone who doesn't 'get it' yet.

And people are not disconnected from failure. It's still quite possible to fail in virtually every regard unless you are an insulated minion or a dependent. They aren't allowed to 'fail'. The rest of us are still on our own.

Anusocracy's picture

They aren't tolerating slavery, they are embracing it.

And they will follow that up with imprisoning or killing you if you don't go along.

Those 'denigrated' people willingly enable governments to kill hundreds of millions. They deserve what they condone.

DFCtomm's picture

Food stamps

section 8 housing

unemployment

Social Security disability...................................................................

 

tarabel's picture

 

 

No, it's called democracy when the masses discover that they can vote for a living rather than work for a living.

In a limited republic, they can buy everyone they want, but it does them no good since elected officials do not have the power bestowed by an unfettered democracy.

If you grant wide power to the government, it will be used by somebody-- to their own advantage first.

The cure is not a new set of scoundrels more to your personal liking but a government that lacks the ability to execute the grand designs of any set of scoundrels.

pods's picture

Okay, in full disclosure I am in a pissy mood.

Taking your argument, the US was once this great place where all this was found.

The government had no ability to execute all these grand designs.

What happened?

At this point in my life, I do not think you can have a governement (representative one) at all without going down this same road.

No matter what happens, the unstoppable progression to tyranny continues.

pods

BLOTTO's picture

USA was just an experiment for them on us and the new found land.

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Mission accomplished. For the most part we are brainwashed and brain dead while 'enjoying' our servitude.

Harbanger's picture

"No matter what happens, the unstoppable progression to tyranny continues."

 

It's called PROGRESS, Pods.  What do you mean you don't know what happened?  The boiling frog is coooked.

Edit:  You want a real eye opener?    When the Progressive Socialists in America abandoned the Constitution by giving us the FED bankers, that gave them the ability to grow the gov and bribe the population with goodies and promises to be paid for in the future.
This is the future.

City_Of_Champyinz's picture

Pods,

I think this sums it up well as many of the founders assumed that there would multiple revolutions as the government took the natural and inevitable course into tyranny:

 

"And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure."

-Thomas Jefferson

“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”

-Benjamin Franklin

tumblemore's picture

All forms of government eventually become corrupted so you go through a cycle

monarchy

aristocracy

democracy

then back to monarchy again.

 

Each time the corruption is burned out temporarily but grows back over time.

TheReplacement's picture

Pretty much agree with what you said but regardless of what you call the stages, our early republic was one of the best examples of how things could be done right.  If we were to relive those days with our knowledge of things today there is no doubt we could make vast improvements in the application of the ideals they put to paper.  Up to this day, there has never been a fine example set.  That time, men, and our constitution will be remembered for centuries to come no matter how badly we have ruined the experiment. 

Somewhere, someday somebody will re-enact the spirit of '76 but with vastly superior points of reference to learn from.  Thus is real progress made.

cherry picker's picture

In this world is it all about selfishness?  I can get Moar if I vote Dem or Rep?

If that is the case, it really doens't matter who or what governs does it?

All they are doing is representing the leech voter.

The biggest problem is they are stealing from those who are productive and are not leeches.

TheReplacement's picture

You miss the point.  They are stealing for themselves and buying off the leeches for whatever is costs to keep a leech on a leash.  Whatsmore, the productive are letting it happen and/or actively encouraging, aiding, and abetting it.

Harbanger's picture

"The cure is not a new set of scoundrels more to your personal liking but a government that lacks the ability to execute the grand designs of any set of scoundrels."

 

Good point.  That was the whole problem with the US Constitution when it was being implemented.  It limited Gov power so it needed to be slowly abandoned until now it's completely trashed.  No other Constitution has ever declared limited Gov as it's sole purpose.  It's always been the struggle between individual liberty and gov tyranny.

amadeus39's picture

I agree. Democracy does not work. Time to breakup large democracies and large governments in general.  Lets break up "big" and go back to "small." Small republics might be the answer. The Internet might actually help to achieve this. What we are dicovering is that "Growth" sometimes sucks, especially when applied to governments.

 

BLOTTO's picture

Democracy died when the satanic Zionists infiltrated Europe a few 1,000 years ago.

 

 

TheReplacement's picture

It was not that long ago by a long shot.  The US Constitution was actually influenced by an outsized degree by the example of certain indian tribes in North America.  The Iroquois had a representative confederation spanning a good many later US states and Canadian provinces well before the colonies followed suit.

Your statement is more generally true when applied to Europe alone.

DFCtomm's picture

Actually, except for the Jew hate that is exactly how Democracy works, and that's why the U.S. wasn't created as a Democracy, but a Republic.

jldpc's picture

some men have morals, some don’t

some men are honest, some are crooks

some men work, some don’t

some workers save, some don’t

some savers invest, some don’t

some go to school, some don’t

same go into politics, some don’t

some go into banking or brokerage, some don’t

some rig the system, and some don’t (but wish they could learn how)

all the politicians and bankers live off of the labor and savings of those who do work

and those blood-sucking cockroaches, bedbugs, lice, nits, weevils, mice, rats, sons and daughters of  incubus and succubus, and scum sucking viruses are supported and encouraged, and their tactics hidden from view by world-class bought and sold windbag media types

and it has gone so far that the America of our fathers has no chance

men with courage, conviction, integrity and the backbone of self-reliance on honest principles are in short supply

such men stand no chance against cheating, greedy, self-indulgent, conscienceless politicians, public officials, appeasers, capitulators, and phony regulators, and scumbag banksters

an honest man in Washington DC, or any state capital, or on Wall Street would never stand a chance

Those Banksters and their Politicians have fewer morals and a lower conscience than even the non-dues paying delinquent Auschwitz Human Ornamental Sewers & Stitchers Lamp Shade Makers Union combined with the full-fledged and highly regarded members of the Buchenwald Medical Experimentation Technicians & Labor Assembly, and the Dachau and Lublin Amalgamated Oven & Incinerator Operators Maintenance and Repair Union members.

And we thought you couldn’t go any lower than that until ZIRP:

If you really wanted to financially ass rape the most people you would set interest rates negative, the only way to make money is to borrow it (Politician) and have them (the folks) pay you through the Banksters for it. Credit/debt would get extended enormously. You would broadcast to the people your intentions of things going on like this forever. Then, with no warning, you would reverse course and buy up all the bankrupt people's stuff for pennies on the dollar.

When the negative deposit rate reaches unbelievable proportions – it will soon be -3% in the EU - on the woe begotten theory that you must force the savers to use their money – spend it you old dumb fucks who voted us into power and who have destroyed your lifetime of prudent and responsible savings – and shut up and die. What did you think when we took over the state governments and ran gigantic negative funded retirement plans, and how stupid could you be re-electing us over and over while the unfunded liabilities of Social Security and Medicare rose every year.

I look for the next Robespierre*, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, nothing less will fix this mess:

*“Terror is only justice: prompt, severe and inflexible; it is then an emanation of virtue; it is less a distinct principle than a natural consequence of the general principle of democracy, applied to the most pressing wants of the country.”

I bet voodoo dolls of Greenspan, Bernanke, Draghi, Abe, and Yellen, etc., would fly off the shelves and possibly even revive the economy!!!

NeedtoSecede's picture

Nice rant jldcp.

Reminds me of some RUSH lyrics from one of their albums from a couple decades back:

"The most endangered species. ..  The honest man"

True when the song was written, even truthier today. 

We are screwed.

wendigo's picture
wendigo (not verified) Mar 12, 2015 3:39 PM

European history is a tale stretching back centuries, one of war, slavery, and general barbarism. They've managed to surpress that for the last several decades, but they'll revert back to the mean eventually. 

Rainman's picture

precisely .... and the common euro currency was adopted 16 years ago to ' unite ' them economically and, eventually, politically. It'll backfire bigtime, me thinx.

tired1's picture

The entire concept was beyond stupid.

Imagine giving your hated ex spouse access to your finances. What could possibly go wrong? That there were very well educated people in favor of this financial union is incredible. I had discussions with a retired Spanish ambassador who argued that it would put an end to the long history of European wars.

Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

LibertarianMenace's picture

It was beyond "beyond stupid". The "concept" was motivated by French envy of "the exorbitant privilege". DeGaulle was of course absolutely correct, but an alternative required German participation. The Germans agreed nonetheless, no doubt with full knowledge of the French angle. Why? To be nice guys? No good deed goes unpunished. As we can see.

TheReplacement's picture

Human history.  This isn't a European affliction.  They have simply refined it with the use of modern technology and the study of psychology, amongst other things.

JustObserving's picture

You can have democracy or you can have your banksters - but you cannot have both.  Banksters run all the major Western economies save, perhaps, Iceland.