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Daniel Hannan Explains How Democracy Died In Europe
With Greece on the edge of being kicked out of the Eurozone , either voluntarily or otherwise, with an anti-austerity party on the verge of taking over the reins of power in Spain, with Beppe Grillo waiting in the corridors for his chance to pounce in Italy and with Marine le Pen and her nationalist party on the verge of becoming the biggest shocker of Europe over the coming years, here, according to Daniel Hannan, is what killed democracy in Europe. Europe itself.
Here are the punchlines, which are all based documented fact:
We were told the Euro would be an antidote to extremism, that it would make countries get on better, and make moderate politics more mainstream. Well, how's that working out for you. Look at the elections in Greece - a Trotskyist party came first, a Nazi party came third. And as for the national animosities read the way the German newspaper now refer to the Greeks and vice versa. Would you say this is soothing or stoking national rivalries in Europe?
But worst of all is the impact on democratic accountability. After the Greek election results came in, the German finance minister said "elections change nothing." He was talking specifically about Greece but this could be a watchword describing the entire Brussels racket. As Jean Claude Juncker put it the next day, "there can be no democratic choice against the European treaties." This is the same European Commission that in late 2011 in Italy and Greece engaged in practice in civilian coups, toppling elected prime ministers and replacing them with former technocrats.
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As the former president of the European Commission Barroso puts it, "democratic governments are often wrong. If you trust them too much they make bad decisions." And so we have this syste,min Europe where power is deliberately vested in the hands of people who are invulnerable to public opinion. Being against that shouldn't make you anti-Europe, it doesn't make you Euroskeptic, it makes you pro-democracy. What a tragedy that in the country where democracy was born, in the part of the world that evolved this sublime idea, that our rulers should be accountable to the rest of us, in that same country that wonderful idea that laws should not be passed nor taxes raised except by our own representatives, has been abandoned."
Tragedy indeed, and while nobody else is willing to admit it, only a violent overthrow of this unelected group of self-serving oligarchs is the only probably outcome.
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So it's called Democracy when big money Hebrew bankers buy off your leadership and make laws enforcing their outright theft of your treasure, blood and freedoms.
Noted.
Demoncracy.
They wont grexit and they wont be kicked out. THey will default within the EuroZone. Thats the plan.
what killed democracy in europe: GS fudging Greek numbers or Troika fucking over the entire continent so DB never faces a loss on greek debt?
I think going back to clans might even be worth it.
Everyone clamors about democracy, then out come the old adages about wolves and sheep. It's tiring. Like stories to put little kids to sleep at night. See, you are free, now shhhhhh.
Truth is we are all slaves in one way or another.
Slaves to the bankers, to our representative governments who in turn are slaves to the bankers.
I laugh when people puff their chests out to talk about how free they are. As soon as I say something that rains on their little worldview, the violence comes out.
pods
Pretty stupid, even for a moron like D. Hannan. Usually Farrage at least has has some whit in his nationalistic British rants.
The trick is to kill off government. Everything else is just reloading psychopaths.
When the Eurosatists say that democracy can't be trusted, isn't that saying that they won't be peacefully removed from power?
In America we admire the passion and the balls of some of the European protests, but it will take plowshares into swords to undo this evil power takeover. A disarmed populace unfortunately will only watch. Do you really think Juncker's army is for the Russians? Hah! It only takes a cursory reading of some ancient texts to know that the ultimate evil is birthed from the womb of the EU. When it finally is apparent to all, TOO LATE - the army will crush the rebellion. IT WILL BE TELEVISED.
I have had this discussion with my cousin (total Neo-Con programmed Pleb, still love him) many times. First I ask are we a free country? He answers "Yes". Than I say do you own your house? He replies "Yes". Than I say do you intend to cause harm to your neighbors? He says, "of coarse not". Than I say can you build a Deck in your yard over 6 inches off the ground without getting permission? He's says "No". Than I ask, is this a free country and laugh at him.
It would make about as much sense to talk to an ant about freedom.
Born with your knowledge, were you?
#YodaSlapdown
No, and an ant isn't born with the knowledge I possess either. The difference being that the ant is incapable of learning it. So your point is?
I suppose you are one of the types who think that with enough education, anyone could be Albert Einstein. Or Ron Paul. Not so.
Sorry to burst your bubble on that.
Why do you imagine your cousin who seems to care about freedom not mind the building codes? Why do you think he's willing to sacrifice that small bit of freedom, and what does he think he's gaining?
That's not shocking. What is shocking is that the majority of the population doesn't mind the slavery, and is more than willing to exchange their freedom for their comfort and security. You see freedom is terrifying because it's the freedom to fail.
Can't succeed if you can't fail.
They aren't tolerating slavery in their minds, and neither were you before you woke up. Was it quick and easy for you? Let's stop denigrating everyone who doesn't 'get it' yet.
And people are not disconnected from failure. It's still quite possible to fail in virtually every regard unless you are an insulated minion or a dependent. They aren't allowed to 'fail'. The rest of us are still on our own.
They aren't tolerating slavery, they are embracing it.
And they will follow that up with imprisoning or killing you if you don't go along.
Those 'denigrated' people willingly enable governments to kill hundreds of millions. They deserve what they condone.
Food stamps
section 8 housing
unemployment
Social Security disability...................................................................
Just for you, pods-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gc11mJGre10
(TruxtonSpangler) would you care to elaborate?
Democrazy, you mean?
No, it's called democracy when the masses discover that they can vote for a living rather than work for a living.
In a limited republic, they can buy everyone they want, but it does them no good since elected officials do not have the power bestowed by an unfettered democracy.
If you grant wide power to the government, it will be used by somebody-- to their own advantage first.
The cure is not a new set of scoundrels more to your personal liking but a government that lacks the ability to execute the grand designs of any set of scoundrels.
Okay, in full disclosure I am in a pissy mood.
Taking your argument, the US was once this great place where all this was found.
The government had no ability to execute all these grand designs.
What happened?
At this point in my life, I do not think you can have a governement (representative one) at all without going down this same road.
No matter what happens, the unstoppable progression to tyranny continues.
pods
USA was just an experiment for them on us and the new found land.
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Mission accomplished. For the most part we are brainwashed and brain dead while 'enjoying' our servitude.
"No matter what happens, the unstoppable progression to tyranny continues."
It's called PROGRESS, Pods. What do you mean you don't know what happened? The boiling frog is coooked.
Edit: You want a real eye opener? When the Progressive Socialists in America abandoned the Constitution by giving us the FED bankers, that gave them the ability to grow the gov and bribe the population with goodies and promises to be paid for in the future.
This is the future.
Pods,
I think this sums it up well as many of the founders assumed that there would multiple revolutions as the government took the natural and inevitable course into tyranny:
"And what country can preserve it's liberties if their rulers are not warned from time to time that their people preserve the spirit of resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as to facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it's natural manure."
-Thomas Jefferson
“Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.”
-Benjamin Franklin
All forms of government eventually become corrupted so you go through a cycle
monarchy
aristocracy
democracy
then back to monarchy again.
Each time the corruption is burned out temporarily but grows back over time.
Pretty much agree with what you said but regardless of what you call the stages, our early republic was one of the best examples of how things could be done right. If we were to relive those days with our knowledge of things today there is no doubt we could make vast improvements in the application of the ideals they put to paper. Up to this day, there has never been a fine example set. That time, men, and our constitution will be remembered for centuries to come no matter how badly we have ruined the experiment.
Somewhere, someday somebody will re-enact the spirit of '76 but with vastly superior points of reference to learn from. Thus is real progress made.
In this world is it all about selfishness? I can get Moar if I vote Dem or Rep?
If that is the case, it really doens't matter who or what governs does it?
All they are doing is representing the leech voter.
The biggest problem is they are stealing from those who are productive and are not leeches.
You miss the point. They are stealing for themselves and buying off the leeches for whatever is costs to keep a leech on a leash. Whatsmore, the productive are letting it happen and/or actively encouraging, aiding, and abetting it.
"The cure is not a new set of scoundrels more to your personal liking but a government that lacks the ability to execute the grand designs of any set of scoundrels."
Good point. That was the whole problem with the US Constitution when it was being implemented. It limited Gov power so it needed to be slowly abandoned until now it's completely trashed. No other Constitution has ever declared limited Gov as it's sole purpose. It's always been the struggle between individual liberty and gov tyranny.
I agree. Democracy does not work. Time to breakup large democracies and large governments in general. Lets break up "big" and go back to "small." Small republics might be the answer. The Internet might actually help to achieve this. What we are dicovering is that "Growth" sometimes sucks, especially when applied to governments.
One of your best posts.
Democracy died when the satanic Zionists infiltrated Europe a few 1,000 years ago.
It was not that long ago by a long shot. The US Constitution was actually influenced by an outsized degree by the example of certain indian tribes in North America. The Iroquois had a representative confederation spanning a good many later US states and Canadian provinces well before the colonies followed suit.
Your statement is more generally true when applied to Europe alone.
Actually, except for the Jew hate that is exactly how Democracy works, and that's why the U.S. wasn't created as a Democracy, but a Republic.
Vote UKIP or perish!
some men have morals, some don’t
some men are honest, some are crooks
some men work, some don’t
some workers save, some don’t
some savers invest, some don’t
some go to school, some don’t
same go into politics, some don’t
some go into banking or brokerage, some don’t
some rig the system, and some don’t (but wish they could learn how)
all the politicians and bankers live off of the labor and savings of those who do work
and those blood-sucking cockroaches, bedbugs, lice, nits, weevils, mice, rats, sons and daughters of incubus and succubus, and scum sucking viruses are supported and encouraged, and their tactics hidden from view by world-class bought and sold windbag media types
and it has gone so far that the America of our fathers has no chance
men with courage, conviction, integrity and the backbone of self-reliance on honest principles are in short supply
such men stand no chance against cheating, greedy, self-indulgent, conscienceless politicians, public officials, appeasers, capitulators, and phony regulators, and scumbag banksters
an honest man in Washington DC, or any state capital, or on Wall Street would never stand a chance
Those Banksters and their Politicians have fewer morals and a lower conscience than even the non-dues paying delinquent Auschwitz Human Ornamental Sewers & Stitchers Lamp Shade Makers Union combined with the full-fledged and highly regarded members of the Buchenwald Medical Experimentation Technicians & Labor Assembly, and the Dachau and Lublin Amalgamated Oven & Incinerator Operators Maintenance and Repair Union members.
And we thought you couldn’t go any lower than that until ZIRP:
If you really wanted to financially ass rape the most people you would set interest rates negative, the only way to make money is to borrow it (Politician) and have them (the folks) pay you through the Banksters for it. Credit/debt would get extended enormously. You would broadcast to the people your intentions of things going on like this forever. Then, with no warning, you would reverse course and buy up all the bankrupt people's stuff for pennies on the dollar.
When the negative deposit rate reaches unbelievable proportions – it will soon be -3% in the EU - on the woe begotten theory that you must force the savers to use their money – spend it you old dumb fucks who voted us into power and who have destroyed your lifetime of prudent and responsible savings – and shut up and die. What did you think when we took over the state governments and ran gigantic negative funded retirement plans, and how stupid could you be re-electing us over and over while the unfunded liabilities of Social Security and Medicare rose every year.
I look for the next Robespierre*, Lenin, Hitler, Stalin, Mao Zedong, nothing less will fix this mess:
*“Terror is only justice: prompt, severe and inflexible; it is then an emanation of virtue; it is less a distinct principle than a natural consequence of the general principle of democracy, applied to the most pressing wants of the country.”
I bet voodoo dolls of Greenspan, Bernanke, Draghi, Abe, and Yellen, etc., would fly off the shelves and possibly even revive the economy!!!
Well done.
Nice rant jldcp.
Reminds me of some RUSH lyrics from one of their albums from a couple decades back:
"The most endangered species. .. The honest man"
True when the song was written, even truthier today.
We are screwed.
Please give this a lesson.
http://www.therealistreport.com/2014/03/the-realist-report-richard-tedor...
European history is a tale stretching back centuries, one of war, slavery, and general barbarism. They've managed to surpress that for the last several decades, but they'll revert back to the mean eventually.
precisely .... and the common euro currency was adopted 16 years ago to ' unite ' them economically and, eventually, politically. It'll backfire bigtime, me thinx.
The entire concept was beyond stupid.
Imagine giving your hated ex spouse access to your finances. What could possibly go wrong? That there were very well educated people in favor of this financial union is incredible. I had discussions with a retired Spanish ambassador who argued that it would put an end to the long history of European wars.
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
It was beyond "beyond stupid". The "concept" was motivated by French envy of "the exorbitant privilege". DeGaulle was of course absolutely correct, but an alternative required German participation. The Germans agreed nonetheless, no doubt with full knowledge of the French angle. Why? To be nice guys? No good deed goes unpunished. As we can see.
Human history. This isn't a European affliction. They have simply refined it with the use of modern technology and the study of psychology, amongst other things.
Plutocrats tighten siege around Europe
You can have democracy or you can have your banksters - but you cannot have both. Banksters run all the major Western economies save, perhaps, Iceland.
Sure you can have both. Majority rules in a democracy and when a majority elect to turn their affairs over to experts, they get what they deserve even if it is not what they imagine.
You cannot have a limited republic and rule by the bankers. It is first necessary to destroy the protective walls that prevent degeneration into a democracy which enables such things to happen.
The best system of government we have is democracy, but i think that the current system is very flawed.
In Iceland we have 3 types of politicians in parliament. The first type and the most influential are the farm grown. They are produced by the parties like Orcs, when fully formed, they serve their masters with great loyalty.
Then we have the idiots, they are in parliament for them selves and to sell their asses for a promise of some kind of compensation when they get booted out of politics, usually a job at some large company or something similar.
The last type are the rebels. They usually get a flying start, charge the cesspit of politics aggressively, for a little while, then they slowly realize that there i not much room for fairness or anything that can be associated with good qualities.
After a little while the system that they tried to fight recycles them into dirt, so the weed we call oligarchs can grow without any problems.
We need a improved system of democracy so that not any idiot can get into a position of power. Maybe some kind of a filter, like a maze.
Something you would only get trough if you are worthy of the trust put in you by the public.
WTF is it with this democracy bullshit. The US founders created a representative republic (if you an keep it), they were well aware of the dangers posed by democracies.
What we have now is a democracy and the likes of Hillary and Nulad bringing such to the rest of the world, one bomb at a time.
What if we all vote in favor of having our banksters medium rare? Can we have our democracy and eat our banksters too?
Nigel Farrage is my new hero
He IS great. But I'm convinced he'll cave in, or be made cave in, at the first whiff of power.
Or die in a fill-in-the-blank accident? Oh, or better yet! He could have a fill-in-the-blank accident that leaves him in completely immobile and unable to care for himself much less write or speak while kiddie porn is found on his computer so the government MUST take everthing he has to punish him AND provide him medical care in some state institution for the rest of his not-able-to-speak life. Because, we have to care for even the worst among us.
Now, about those welfare check for jihadis...
Democracy requires a population who are educated and engaged. Unfortunately the mean average population tends toward the opposite and when it comes down to voting for bread and circus outcomes, society devolves to the lowest common denominator and I can see the bottom of the barrel from here.
Based on anecdotal evidence when I've been over there, the European population (across all countries, Greece, France, Germany, etc...) are actually well informed educated, and engaged (unlike here) and yet they're still getting fucked by the politicians and the bankers. That's the problem when the generally moral and civilized population has to deal with a collection of sociopaths running the show.
The issue is not that a population is educated or not educated, but how education is defined. A population that is well-versed in continental philosophy is far more lost than one which knows nothing at all.
I would like to suggest the book "The Ominous Parallels" for an incredibly thought-provoking primer on the difference between continental philosophy and the true ideals of the Enlightenment.
It is all a matter of redefining things so that words have altered meanings. It is not illegal to say the word liberty in North Korea, for example, but the meaning has been cynically altered so that what it means to a graduate of the North Korean school system is different from what a scholar of the American Revolutionary era would understand it to mean and yet basically in step with what a graduate of a European, American, Russian, or Chinese university would think of it.
Disarm people philosophically and it hardly matters where they keep their money.
educated and indoctrinated are not mutually exclusive, and are key components of mandatory prussian based public education
garbage in, garbage out
just try home schooling in germany and see what it gets you.
+100
http://www.therealistreport.com/2014/03/the-realist-report-richard-tedor...
Gotta quote Jefferson:
"When government fears the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny."
When US congressmen actually feared getting shot in their constituencies for their behavior, they behaved. Now they fear nothing and they act like it.
The second amendment is there for a reason.
Squid.
When everything is controlled by the Free Shit Army,
Effort for education and personal improvement becomes not worth the energy requirement.
"Burn This Bitch Down" will keep the population warm for a short while.
So true.
Says the well presented and well spoken Mr Hannan that hangs on the teat of the failed experiment of the EU, the very definition of un-accountability has never been surpassed by this failed, nation destroying construct, all the while mouthpieces like Mr Hannan rail against the machine that pays them some 100,000 euros a year and unlimited expenses, enough in some cases for a fucking giraffe, go-ogle it.
The surge right here in the favour of both the UKIP and the SNP has the two established parties fucking shitting themselves, so much so, the conservatives will even consider going into co-alition with the labourites, now fucking square that circle then.
And alas, three times alas, indeed as the end of this article so clearly puts it, there can be no political solution to our collective problems, this will end in violence, just like it always has.
And you had better fucking remember that Mr Hannan, because you dont look like much of an effeminate fighter to me son. There is a reckoning coming you work shy little cunt, and its got the likes of your name written all over it.
Bank the fuck on that.
Cunt
;-)
I have no fucking idea who downvoted you, Mate, but your words are oh so true, ITM.
Cheers Chief, must be this little cunt Hannan and his mates, I had no idea we are all on the Hedge.
;-)
Downvotes??? Easy. No doubt all the fingertapping flypaper metros at NSA.
If the theves succeed in walking away with their plunder how can it be called a 'failed experiment'?
for Jefferson it is a failure. For Hamilton it is a success.
Hannan is also a great fan of multiculturalism and diversity. But when his own neighborhood became too enriched for his liking he fled for the leafy suburbs, still protesting his ethusiasm for the vibrancy he left behind.
Europe is made up of two words.....EU and. ROPE.
0) Doesn't qualify as news to anyone with a double-digit or better IQ
1) "You can't kill what's already dead"
2) You can't kill what does not exist
3) You can't kill what never existed
4) The only people who should be angered by this (obvious) revelation that European democracy is (always was) a (very convenient) phantom are the power elite who created said phantom (in order to hide behind it). Every charade eventually ends; good riddance.
So why does the rise of the Front National and other contrarian parties in Europe represent the downfall of democracy in Europe? You could just as easiy say democracy is finaly taking root there. Wish the same were true of the dear, old USA, where an unaccountable, self-serving duopoly continues to lord it over us.
"Brilliant documentary on Yugoslavia!"
The Weight of Chains | Težina lanaca (2010)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=waEYQ46gH08 (2:01:49)
Sounds like the EU needs a civil war, North vs South.
Hey why not?
that's what's been happening (PIIGS) - and the north won - with syriza, podemos et al it looked like the beginning of insurrection but...
Ok here's a bit of truthiness. The "educated", well informed, well engaged leftist do not have the power of the reserve currency to keep the welfare scam going. And who didn't know that Europe is it's own problem? I'm sure the arab and brown soupy immigrants will lift the guilty caucasians from the consequences of thier scam.
Funny why folks place Ms Le Pen under the extreme right wing banner when she is one of the leading politicians in Europe to decry the EU's/ Vichy DC's war against Russia.
I'm not a right winger but have every sympathy for countries being flooded by immigrants although the UK & France are responsible along with Vichy DC in creating this situation by continuously bombing fuck out of ordinary folks and causing their displacement.
Any party or politician that opposes the EU and mass Third World immigration (the two go hand-in-hand) is automatically dubbed 'far Right' or even 'neo-Nazi'.
The EU project was a Bankers and Financiers project. Corporate Europe also played their role as seekers of labor mobility and downward pressure on wages and elimination of benefits tied to employment.
But the major push for the EU was the financial services sector, seeking to become the landlord to all of Europe, seeking rents for everything once held in public trust.
NATO too had a deep desire to get all it's armies into one economic block. Since the USA commanded NATO, then that meant Europe was commanded by an American Army. Full occupation.
The media sphere was used as the propaganda tool to dupe Europeans into believing the string of lies about benfits and jobs. This was a total lie by corporations seeking landlord status and bankers seeking the end of regulations.
We see how it has all turned out, the the big depression has not even begun yet! Flailing around like a beach whale, Europe is compelling hard pressed EU peoples to cough up money to give to non-EU member Ukraine, a totally failed state caught up in civil war and economi collapse. The desire to expand the failing EU shows how out of touch the Soviet Commissars in Brussels are.
Welcome to the Babylonina - Talmudic continum, same as ever before.
I had dinner with a Spanish banker some years ago. His solution to the real estate problem was to maintain payments on interest. The bank even encouraged employees to buy property at current evaluations. Terms like Mark to Market were just inconceivable as that would lead to immediate insolvency. I had dealings with a guy who audited south american banks; he had no idea of fractional reserve policy.
This banking problem is far beyond stupidity.
On a lighter note, and since you're a fan:
http://fishki.net/video/1462201-natalja-poklonskaja.html?mode=recent
So says the proud member of the 'cast-iron' EU-loving socialist-leaning U.K. Conservative party! Baloney sliced nice and thick just like we luv it!
Let us recall the EU wide votes about Lisbon treaty.
Ireland voted 3x until the results could be manipulated to fit the Brussels nomenclature.
The votes in France and Holland have been repeated until the results have been in line with the EU commision intents.
How can anybody talk about democracy in context of EU????
How can an EU led by unelected former communists, leninists, marxists, maoists, facists & environmentalists possibly go wrong?
Democracy was freedom from the rule the elites had over the masses. For a brief time in history, man's capital was enough to have his own say in government. Now, people wonder why only a massive base of floating capital is enough to sustain what was once thought to be the best political paradigm. Well, we weren't the only ones to advance. It's elites vs plebs, and if we don't learn to take up the pitchforks now, they'll screw us until we do.
The euro killed democracy? What a joke. I defy you to name me one European country where the elites have shown any sign of giving a flying franc what the proles think about anything important in modern times, barring those countries on the verge of violent revolution.
You want your country to be democratic? A people serious about freedom and democracy could do worse than the following.
But at least they're not lead by a Kenyan Muslim Hawaiian gay choomhead commie pretender golfing in mom jeans.
Democracy needs educated citizens.
BUT:
Fake "education" is essential to a fake "democracy."
Obviously, the European Union, and its Euro currency, were implementations of the international banksters' agenda. We have already reached the point where about 99% of the people have been reduced to Zombie Sheeple, as indicated by the ways that the public "money" supply has been about 99% privatized.
IT SHOULD BE OBVIOUS THAT PRIVATELY CONTROLLED BANKS MAKING THE PUBLIC "MONEY" SUPPLY OUT OF NOTHING AS DEBTS IS AN INSANE SYSTEM.
HOWEVER, DUE TO THE TRIUMPHANT APPLICATION OF ORGANIZED CRIME TO THE POLITICAL PROCESSES, THAT SOCIAL INSANITY HAS BECOME SO OVERWHELMINGLY SUCCESSFUL THAT THE MONETARY SYSTEM HAS BECOME LIKE A THOROUGHLY METASTASIZED CANCER ...
It is sublimely paradoxical to try to imagine how there could possibly be any better public education, since doing so would have to based on teaching that there was almost nothing but organized crime surrounded by controlled opposition. HAH! The currently established educational institutions are deeply integrated as controlled opposition inside the systems whereby governments are the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals.
How in the world can one imagine a genuine education system actually teaching people to think critically? It would takes teachers with a profound sense of humour to be able to communicate to their students that human realities were always organized lies operating robberies, and that the established social pyramid systems were based on thousands of years of backing up lies with violence, which gradually became integrated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, whose most important forms were that the public monetary and taxation systems were ENFORCED FRAUDS.
A genuine education of enough people would necessarily drive a real, radical revolution. However, there is no practical way to imagine that happening, since the established systems are already almost totally based on triumphant organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition groups, such as that the vast majority of teachers MUST continue to be professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, or else they would not be employed by the institutions that currently employ them.
At the present time, the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories almost totally dominate everything, to the degree that their world view is built into the dominant natural languages and philosophy of science. The most significant forms of the biggest bullies' bullshit are those currently promoted by the international bankers, and their intellectual mercenaries. Through the vicious spirals of the funding of the political processes, the profits from frauds have been reinvested in more frauds. Over time, that has resulted in almost all of the successful politicians being the banksters' puppets, who are voted for by enough of the masses of muppets, who were already brainwashed so much to believe in bullshit that they can not think straight, and do not want to.
The development of the European Union was merely the most recent development of Neolithic Civilization social pyramid systems based on being able to back up lies with violence, becoming more sophisticated social madness, due to the paradoxical ways that enforcing frauds never stops those frauds from being false. The Euro Currency was a bigger and better way for the international banksters to dominate society, in ways which drove the previously established systems of debt slavery to generate numbers which became ever increasing debt insanities, which are headed towards provoking death insanities.
IN THEORY, human beings would have to understand themselves as general energy systems better, in order to reconcile their roles in their real environment. HOWEVER, that would take facing the basic social facts that governments are necessarily the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals. The only way that real democracy could work is if enough citizens were rightly educated to understand that they were members of an organized crime gang.
Of course, IN PRACTICE, that is NOT POSSIBLE. The vast majority of people have already been brainwashed to believe in bullshit to the degree that they want to continue to believe in bullshit. There are no good reasons to expect that the majority of people will stop acting like incompetent political idiots, or Zombie Sheeple, being fleeced to exhaustion, while they are set up to be slaughtered.
Social pyramid systems can be
regarded via these metaphors:
A relatively small group of people, who act like Vicious Wolves, are the pyramidion people. (However, they appear in public in sheep's clothing, in sense that the language they use is their bullshit.) They control a much larger groups of people who act more like Domesticated Dogs. (Those also promote the same sort of bullshit.) Together, they herd the masses of people who act like Zombie Sheeple, while that is protested by the Black Sheeple, (both of which also tend to stay within the same bullshit world view too.)
THE BASICS:
Totally triumphant organized crimes,
surrounded by controlled opposition.
Most of the articles and comments published on Zero Hedge continue to illustrate the ways that there is almost nothing but controlled opposition, as demonstrated by how the various sorts of reactionary revolutionaries, or Black Sheeple, follow relatively good analysis of the historical facts with bullshit "solutions" that collapse back to false fundamental dichotomies, and the related impossible ideals. It is typical to blame "democracy" for what fake democracy does. It is typical to use the bullies' bullshit language to discuss what is wrong with the real results of those bullies' social systems.
There tends to be persistent overwhelming failures to understand the deeper nature of the political problems that there is almost nothing but organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition. It is NOT possible for human beings to NOT have organized crime gangs. It is NOT possible for the biggest and best of those organized crime gangs to assert that they are governments, and to control those governments. The only way to have better government is have better organized crime. That is what a genuine education that taught people the real facts of life would prepare them to understand and participate in through real democratic control over the government.
A real democracy would require more democratization of the death controls, that backed up the debt controls. A real democracy would require more real education of citizens so that they could better understand and participate in the political processes. A real democracy would require enough critical thinking in enough people, so that it would not be so easy for the best professional liars and immaculate hypocrites to routinely trick and fool them.
However, OBVIOUSLY, that appears to be some kind of wild day dream of political science fiction and fantasy, because what actually exists is almost totally the triumph of organized crime gangs, surrounded by controlled opposition, that are, EVERY DAY, getting away with more LEGALIZED COUNTERFEITING of the public "money" supply by privately controlled banks, while the vast majority of the people do not understand that, because they have already been conditioned to feel that they not want to understand that.
Too bad, so sad, but the most probable future for Europeans, and the rest of the world's population, are for the vast majority of them to continue being Zombie Sheeple, being fleeced to exhaustion, until they are slaughtered ... While the chances of enough of them recognizing that, and responding in realistic and effective ways seem practically NIL. In many ways, the articles and comments published on Zero Hedge are a sad reminder of the degree to which people are controlled by the ways that they automatically rely upon the natural languages that they take for granted, and the philosophy of science that they presume is correct. Of course, the more mainstream, mass media, material is even more dismally depressing, due to the ways that it parrots the biggest bullies' bullshit. But nevertheless, Zero Hedge is primarily a parade of controlled opposition, that mostly does not even seem to be aware of the degree to which it is still controlled opposition.
So far, only a tiny minority of the population recognizes that governments are the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gang of criminals. Furthermore, most of those who do recognize that continue to rely upon false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals, after they somewhat face the facts regarding the degree to which the best organized gangs of criminals have made and maintained governments to be the biggest form of organized crime.
A genuine democracy, based on a genuine education of citizens, would have to be based on enough of the people understanding enough about the principles and methods of organized crime to be able to comprehend what government actually IS ... As long as that continues to be practically impossible, then we will continue to observe a runaway fake democracy getting worse, faster ...
By and large, those who promote "democracy" are promoting the biggest bullies' bullshit versions of fake "democracy," which are based upon impossible ideals, that actually make the opposite happen in the real world. I would certainly include the speaker in the video embedded above in that category, as well as most of those who are published on Zero Hedge. The only way that a more real democratic republic, or constitutional monarchy, operating through the rule of law, could actually work is IF enough people understood at least two basic things, which are that, first, governments are forms of organized crime, and second, some sort of organized crime must necessarily exist. A genuine democracy would involve more people participating, using more information, regarding how their collective forms of organized crime actually operated.
HOWEVER, the actually existing systems work by a tiny minority being deceitful and fraudulent, while the vast majority do not understand that, because they do not want to understand that, or at least, not understand that in a way which would enable them to effectively participate, rather than continue to promote impossible ideals, which necessarily continue to backfire badly.
The essential problem with democracy has been that the history of creating sovereign states was primarily the history of warfare, where successes were based on backing up deceits with destruction. Mostly, the fake education in the existing fake democracies does NOT teach that. Instead, the methods of organized crime have been covertly applied through the political processes to result in the best organized gangsters, the banksters, capturing control over governments, so that the powers of governments have been mostly privatized.
Almost all of the language which dominates discussions of political problems is the bullies' bullshit. Of course, the ruling classes, and the social institutions that they control, use that kind of language in public. It is also true that almost all varieties of controlled opposition groups use the same sort of language.
Pretty well all the articles and comments published on Zero Hedge are the work of the various kinds of Black Sheeple. Most of what they present as an analysis of the problems is superficially correct, BUT, their bogus "solutions" reveal that their understanding was still too shallow, because they collapse back to false fundamental dichotomies and the related impossible ideals, when the switch gears from talking about the problems, to talking about the solutions.
The ONLY things that exist are the dynamic equilibria of different systems of organized lies operating robberies. Politics is about how human beings work out those relationships. The degree to which the best organized gangs of criminals have been able to brainwash almost everyone else to repeat their bullshit language is the degree to which there is almost nothing but organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition, which is actually more than 99% the case.
Governments are basically military organizations, because they were made by the history of warfare. Citizens are therefore members of those military organizations. The military is organized crime on a larger scale, which continues to follow the same principles and methods of organized crime, as repeating fractal patterns. In order to make democracy work, enough citizens would have to understand those basic facts. However, the established systems are based upon successfully brainwashing enough people to believe in the bullies' bullshit so much that they do not want to understand.
There is nothing wrong with the theory of a democratic republic, operating through the rule of law, to resolve the chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life. What is WRONG is that the best organized criminals have been able to capture almost total control over the public "money" supply, and then leverage that up and up to dominate the funding of all other social institutions, such as the schools and the mass media. That enables the "elections" to be almost totally rigged before they are called, while those "elections" end up being nothing more that puppet shows put on by the mass media, for the masses of muppets, i.e, FAKE DEMOCRACY.
Most of those who mistakenly blame "democracy" or blame "government" tend to not understand that there is almost nothing but organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition, throughout those. Furthermore, the few who do recognize that still tend to promote the impossible ideals that there ought not be those things existing, which is like saying that organized crime ought not exist. Real democracy ought to be understood as checks and balances upon the ways that governments necessarily operate as organized crime. However, since the vast majority of citizens do not understand that, and do not want to understand that, fake "democracy" gets blamed for that social situation.
The European Union, with its Euro currency, was due to the international banksters' advancing their agenda, in ways which continued to fool and trick enough of the people, so that was possible. The history of the USA was basically the same, as was the history of pretty well everywhere else, where the systems of lies backed by violence, becoming systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, promoted by professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, almost totally dominated, through systems of organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition.
That continues to automatically get worse, faster, especially because there is almost no genuine opposition. Indeed, almost all of the content on Zero Hedge demonstrates, over and over again, the pattern of relatively good analysis of the problems still being too superficial, and therefore, collapsing back to bullshit "solutions." Unfortunately, it is almost impossible to have any rational public debates regarding political issues, due to the degree that the biggest bullies' bullshit language and world view almost totally dominates everything. Hence, most of the content on Zero Hedge demonstrates how even those few that have a better understanding, on some superficial levels, tend to not have any better understanding on deeper levels.
Two comments above hit the nail on the head:
KnuckleDragger-X:
"Democracy requires a population who are educated and engaged."
Al Huxley:
"... the European population (across all countries, Greece, France, Germany, etc...) are actually well informed educated, and engaged (unlike here) and yet they're still getting fucked by the politicians and the bankers. That's the problem when the generally moral and civilized population has to deal with a collection of sociopaths running the show."
THE POLITICAL PROBLEM IS THE ABILITY TO BACK UP LIES WITH VIOLENCE, whose successes have resulted in there being almost nothing but organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition.
"The generally moral and civilized population" is dismally failing to deal with the ways that the best professional liars and immaculate hypocrites continue to be the most socially successful, such that the pyramidion people tend to be sociopathic psychopaths. Therefore, over and over again, projects like the European Union, and its Euro currency, have actually DONE the opposite to everything that those were promised they would do. (Which is the same as how, in the USA, the Federal Reserve Board has actually DONE the opposite to everything that they promised they would do.)
There are at least TWO levels to that problem:
FIRST, in the short-term, being able to continue to back up systems of legalized lies with legalized violence has every advantage, while it is also possible for the dominant organized crime gangs to be most able to get away with resorting to illegal methods beyond that.
SECOND, in the longer term, "the generally moral and civilized population" tends to NOT be willing and able to accept that there MUST be some death controls to back up the debt controls. They do NOT want to understand that money is measurement backed by murder.
The best organized gangs of criminals, the banksters, and their political puppets, continue to too easily get away with being sociopathic psychopaths, while the vast majority of people refuse to recognize that they should take more responsibility more democratic control of the death control systems. The long history of the most successful death controls being done through the maximum possible deceits has resulted in there being almost nothing but controlled opposition to the established systems, which opposition continues to operate inside of the same frame of reference as those deceitful death controls.
The same problem repeats itself in the political economy, as it originally did in the human ecology. There has been so much financial success based on enforcing frauds for so long, that almost all of the alleged opposition to that tends to stay within the same fundamentally fraudulent frame of reference. Overall, the established systems are based on the maximum possible deceits and frauds, whose successes have resulted in the only publicly significant opposition being controlled to stay within the same frame of reference of those deceits and frauds.
More real democracy would take more radical truths being understood by enough people on BOTH of those TWO levels of the basic political problems, due to the history of the successful backing up of lies with violence being the foundation of civilization. As long as the majority of people continue to believe in bullshit, and want to continue to believe in bullshit, then we can expect the resulting fake democracy to deteriorate. Indeed, given how extremely degraded that has already become, it appears correct to assert that "democracy" looks like it is already practically dead!
Democracy has died in Europe and in North America for the same basic reasons, which can be understood if one follows the money through the political processes to its source. However, since the vast majority of people do not want to do that, it is practically impossible to imagine how those problems could be fixed, rather than that they will automatically get worse, faster, until the resulting runaway debt insanities provoke death insanities ...
This thing you call democracy . . . shouldnt be called the tyranny of the majority? Doesn't this turn into the Free Shit Army, Bread and Circus, over taxation and bloated bureaucracy?
Yes.
And the devilish beauty of it once its all said and done is, the ones appointed to implement it all can turn on a dime with no remorse, point the accusatory finger and say "Hey! You voted for us!"
Some really smart MIT professor named Gruber came up with that ;-)
Someone has a very very shiny new PR firm. Quite brilliant. Reminds me of Tony and New Labour. (Hint: it's called the Overton Window)
UKIP serves a useful purpose - it's enlightening to spot where the links between the left and the right and the up and the down are. But never make the mistake in believing they'll get into power, that's not why they're there. [Still: beats having a two party nonsense system, yes?]
Then again, Spain is backing into Fascism again, not a good sign:
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/20/spain-protests-security-law...
http://roarmag.org/2015/01/gag-law-spain-anti-protest/
http://www.amnesty.org.uk/sites/default/files/spain_-the_right_to_protes...
Meta: I find it amusing that you let ideology ruin your God Zone. It's about making shining happy singers, not who is right and wrong.
The pedophile politburo in BrUSsels only needs to rubber stamp USSA and Urupp together with the infamous corpofascist TTIP while NATO stokes WW3 against Russia in order to convince the unwashed Mercan masses that their toliet paper dollahs are secure and NWO currency re-set salvation is on the horizon (the salvation of the zero 1% psychopaths that own US).
Onward with the Third World Fourth Reich!