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Is It Time To Prepare For War?

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Submitted by Chris Martenson via PeakProsperity.com,

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From my perspective, the made-for-public Western news copy regarding Ukraine and Russia is childishly slanted and one-sided. The level of so-called aggression by Russia cannot even remotely be compared to the United States' naked aggression against Iraq – a country that had not attacked the US, threatened the US, or had any WMD program (which even if it did, would still have not constituted a legitimate reason for invasion by another nation under existing international law.)

So there’s a heavy dose of “Do as we say, not as we do” when it comes to US pronouncements of ‘unacceptable aggression’ on the part of Russia. Predictably, Russia is less than pleased -- as in the way they would be if routinely lectured in the press by Captain Hazelwood on the importance of boating safety.

Despite Western claims, it is highly unlikely Russia has yet moved heavy equipment and troop concentrations across the Ukraine border  -- because if they had, you’d for sure  have seen pictures.  Endless pictures of those troops and equipment on TV, morning, noon and night.  You haven’t seen any pictures, so none likely exist, which means no Russian army troops or military armaments are yet in Ukraine.

But that has not stopped the US and NATO from accusing Russia of exactly those transgressions in nearly every single announcement and press release.

The latest hawkish salvo by General Breedlove was so over-the-top that Germany expressed public alarm:

Breedlove's Bellicosity: Berlin Alarmed by Aggressive NATO Stance on Ukraine

Mar 6, 2015

 

It was quiet in eastern Ukraine last Wednesday. Indeed, it was another quiet day in an extended stretch of relative calm. The battles between the Ukrainian army and the pro-Russian separatists had largely stopped and heavy weaponry was being withdrawn. The Minsk cease-fire wasn't holding perfectly, but it was holding.

 

On that same day, General Philip Breedlove, the top NATO commander in Europe, stepped before the press in Washington. Putin, the 59-year-old said, had once again "upped the ante" in eastern Ukraine -- with "well over a thousand combat vehicles, Russian combat forces, some of their most sophisticated air defense, battalions of artillery" having been sent to the Donbass.

 

"What is clear," Breedlove said, "is that right now, it is not getting better. It is getting worse every day."

 

German leaders in Berlin were stunned. They didn't understand what Breedlove was talking about. And it wasn't the first time. Once again, the German government, supported by intelligence gathered by the Bundesnachrichtendienst (BND), Germany's foreign intelligence agency, did not share the view of NATO's Supreme Allied Commander Europe (SACEUR).

 

The pattern has become a familiar one. For months, Breedlove has been commenting on Russian activities in eastern Ukraine, speaking of troop advances on the border, the amassing of munitions and alleged columns of Russian tanks. Over and over again, Breedlove's numbers have been significantly higher than those in the possession of America's NATO allies in Europe. As such, he is playing directly into the hands of the hardliners in the US Congress and in NATO.

 

The German government is alarmed. Are the Americans trying to thwart European efforts at mediation led by Chancellor Angela Merkel? Sources in the Chancellery have referred to Breedlove's comments as "dangerous propaganda." Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier even found it necessary recently to bring up Breedlove's comments with NATO General Secretary Jens Stoltenberg.

(Source)

Think about how truly and utterly bizarre this all is.  It is literally not possible to hide “well over a thousand” combat vehicles from air and satellite surveillance, and everybody who knows anything at all knows this.  How can Breedlove make such outlandish claims and expect anybody to think he’s anything other than daft?

What are reasonable intelligence analysts and diplomats in Germany, or anywhere for that matter, to make of any of this? 

One uncomfortable pattern that fits is that the US has gotten used to lying overtly to get its way.  All reasonable analysts who read the UNSCOM report on Iraq’s defunct WMD program back in 2002 (as I did) knew that Iraq did not have any such program as claimed by Colin Powell, Rumsfeld, Perle, Feith and the rest of the unbalanced individuals who rushed the world to a war of choice.  The spin doctors of today will say that “bad intelligence” was to blame, but that too is a lie.

There was no bad intelligence, only bad people who made up false ‘intelligence’ and then foisted it upon the world. And it’s happening again.

To my mind, there’s no other way to interpret Breedlove’s comments; they are just too far outside of the bounds of what is a possible misinterpretation of data.  Again, ‘more than a thousand’ pieces of heavy armor cannot be hidden from satellites, especially not in the open, flat country that is eastern Ukraine. 

From a bit further in the Der Spiegel article we have this:

The experts contradicted Breedlove's view in almost every respect. There weren't 40,000 soldiers on the border, they believed, rather there were much less than 30,000 and perhaps even fewer than 20,000. Furthermore, most of the military equipment had not been brought to the border for a possible invasion, but had already been there prior to the beginning of the conflict. Furthermore, there was no evidence of logistical preparation for an invasion, such as a field headquarters.

 

Breedlove, though, repeatedly made inexact, contradictory or even flat-out inaccurate statements. On Nov. 18, 2014, he told the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung that there were "regular Russian army units in eastern Ukraine." One day later, he told the website of the German newsmagazine Stern that they weren't fighting units, but "mostly trainers and advisors."

 

He initially said there were "between 250 and 300" of them, and then "between 300 and 500." For a time, NATO was even saying there were 1,000 of them.

A short word for the phrase “flat out inaccurate statements” is lie.  We might as well get used to calling things by their correct terms, it makes things easier to follow and understand.

The reason I bring all this up is because the bellicosity of a small band of war hawks in the US seem to be driving policy for the entire nation.  Back in 2002, it was a very small group operating out of the Office of Special Plans from a small corner of the pentagon under the direction of Donald Rumsfeld to generate the false intelligence used to ‘justify’ a truly unnecessary and ill-advised war.

This time it seems to be Vitoria Nuland, General Breedlove, and the usual assemblage of war hawks in the Senate and Congress. 

But the risk cannot be denied.  2002 taught us all that the momentum of war can be initiated by obvious lies and a few dedicated people.  That same risk is afoot today.

Will it come to pass?  For the people of Ukraine it already has.  For the people of Syria and Iraq, it already has. 

The question is, will this spill over into a wider conflict that involves Europe and the US against Russia and whoever sides with Russia (*cough*cough* I’m looking at you, China).

As I predicted in the fall of 2014, things would continue to escalate before they deescalate.  The moves are coming fast and furious now.  The US has moved heavy armor into the region, right on Russia’s border:

US sends heavy armour to Baltic states to 'deter' Russia

Mar 9, 2015

 

Riga (AFP) - The United States on Monday delivered more than 100 pieces of military equipment to vulnerable NATO-allied Baltic states in a move designed to provide them with the ability to deter potential Russian threats.

 

The deliveries are intended to "demonstrate resolve to President (Vladimir) Putin and Russia that collectively we can come together," US Major General John R. O'Connor told AFP as he oversaw the delivery of the equipment in the port of Riga.

 

The delivery included Abrams tanks, Bradley fighting vehicles, Scout Humvees as well as support equipment and O'Connor said the armour would stay "for as long as required to deter Russian aggression".

 

The three former Soviet-ruled Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, all NATO and European Union members since 2004, have very little military hardware of their own.

(Source)

Because the Western press seems unable to understand these things from a neutral perspective, let’s imagine how the US might react if Russia were to move heavy armor into Mexico to help “deter US aggression.”

I think we all know the answer to that: the US would immediately react in a very threatened manner. 

It needs to be pointed out that this is precisely the reason that NATO expansion was undertaken so aggressively back in the 1995–2005 period. The potential for military action became much greater than if the foreign affairs of individual countries were managed independently by their own governments.  Now, because of the NATO treaty, Europe and the US are obligated to military action if ever and whenever a perceived threat arises against any NATO member.

Of course, the chances of starting a conflict are immeasurably better if you taunt and parade yourself as close as possible to your intended adversary:

U.S. military vehicles paraded 300 yards from the Russian border

Feb 24, 2015

 

MOSCOW — U.S. military combat vehicles paraded Wednesday through an Estonian city that juts into Russia, a symbolic act that highlighted the stakes for both sides amid the worst tensions between the West and Russia since the Cold War.

 

The armored personnel carriers and other U.S. Army vehicles that rolled through the streets of Narva, a border city separated by a narrow frontier from Russia, were a dramatic reminder of the new military confrontation in Eastern Europe.

 

The soldiers from the U.S. Army’s Second Cavalry Regiment were taking part in a military parade to mark Estonia’s Independence Day. 

(Source)

It's obvious that there are factions within the US military establishment that are not just preparing for war with Russia, but actively provoking tensions. 

Which makes today’s news out of the EU all the more concerning because it shows a degree of coordination that now spans the Atlantic, and has jumped outside of the usual NATO military alliance and into the civilian bureaucracy of the EU:

Juncker calls for EU army, says would deter Russia

Mar 9, 2015

 

(Reuters) - The European Union needs its own army to face up to Russia and other threats as well as restore the bloc's foreign policy standing around the world, EU Commission President Jean-Claude Juncker told a German newspaper on Sunday.

 

Arguing that NATO was not enough because not all members of the transatlantic defense alliance are in the EU, Juncker said a common EU army would also send important signals to the world.

 

"A joint EU army would show the world that there would never again be a war between EU countries," Juncker told the Welt am Sonntag newspaper. "Such an army would also help us to form common foreign and security policies and allow Europe to take on responsibility in the world."

 

German Defence Minister Ursula von der Leyen welcomed Juncker's proposal: "Our future as Europeans will at some point be with a European army," she told German radio.

(Source)

It's telling that Juncker trotted out his proposal and immediately a German defense minister was at the ready to lend support.  This means it's a serious proposal, and has already been circulated and vetted.

While we might disagree as to whether a common military would prevent future wars between EU countries, the thing about armies is that once you have one, there’s a tendency to want to use it.

They are very expensive to just have lying about. In times past, no country would think of keeping one assembled after a war because they have a bad habit of needing something to do, and if nothing is available externally, they have been known to turn their power inwards (see: Egyptian military coup. Also: US military industrial complex).

And how has Russia reacted to all this?  In an escalate-y, predicable sort of way:

Russian legislator: EU’s common army, if created, to play provocative role

 

MOSCOW, 9 March. /TASS/. The European Union’s common armed forces, if they are ever created, may play a provocative role, first deputy chairman of the United Russia faction in the State Duma, Frants Klintsevich, told the media on Sunday.

 

"In the nuclear age extra armies do not provide any additional security. But they surely can play a provocative role," Klintsevich said, adding it was regrettable that such ideas had already met with some support.

 

"One should presume that a European army is seen as an addendum to NATO. And in this kind of situation Western politicians are not shy to accuse Russia of some aggressiveness," Klintsevich said.

(Source)

Russia went right for the nuclear trump card, noting that conventional forces do not really have a clearly defined role when nukes are on the table.  That is, Russia has said (again!) very clearly that they have nukes, might use them, and do not appreciate being constantly threatened.  And yet here we are. 

I mean, it was barely a week ago that a Russian military chief said this:

Russia says ready to reciprocate nuclear strike

Mar 1, 2015

 

A Russian military chief says the country's Strategic Missile Forces (SMF) are ready to defend the country against any possible “lightning-speed” nuclear strike.

 

If we have to accomplish a task of repelling a ‘lightning-speed’ nuclear strike, this objective will be attained within a prescribed period,” Andrei Burbin, the SMF Central Command’s chief, was quoted by Russian media as saying on Saturday.

 

He voiced the SMF preparedness to deliver a retaliatory nuclear strike “unhesitatingly” if Russia comes under any assault.

 

Referring to the geographic position of Russia’s missile units, the major general said it will protect them from demolition by “any global strike,” adding that 98 percent of the SMF systems would be new in 2020.

 

The comments come against the backdrop of a recent boost in NATO’s military presence near Russia’s borders. In 2014, NATO forces held some 200 military exercises with the Western military block’s Secretary-General Jens Stoltenberg promising that such maneuvers would continue.

(Source)

You’d think that with the stakes being so high that there would be obvious diplomatic efforts underway to try and defuse the situation and prevent any accidents from happening. But instead, we see the West consistently accusing Russia of aggressiveness while holding hundreds of military exercises and positioning its NATO equipment closer and closer to Russia’s borders.

Meanwhile Russia is busy saying to the world, Hey look: we still have a bunch of working nukes over here and we think you should keep that in mind.

Conclusion

I fear that I will have to issue an ALERT at some point over this entire matter. Again, an ALERT happens when I come into possession of information that causes me to personally take new or different actions.

I am seriously entertaining preparing for war, and as I’ve written before, the nature of this next war could involve everything from trade battles, to cyber attacks, to financial system assaults,  a downing of the US electrical grid, to an actual shooting war  -- perhaps one that escalates to a nuclear exchange.

When things are this obviously crazy, anything is possible.

It is my contention that the next shooting war will change the geopolitical landscape permanently and irrevocably for the US and the US dollar’s reserve currency status. Much of the weight carried by the US is because of its dominant military.  But a military is only as powerful as its ability to project force; and that requires that you either walk to the conflict via a land bridge or you ship your heavy equipment over the seas.

Light skirmishes can be accomplished via air, but nothing too serious because it’s just not possible to fly in everything you need.  Tanks are heavy.  So is food and fuel.  Ammunition too.  Moving a hundred thousand troops requires ships. Of which, clearly, the USA has many.

But ships are no longer useful in the modern world, as France rather embarrassingly proved to the US recently:

US supercarrier ‘sunk’ by French submarine in wargames

Mar 6, 2015

 

The French Ministry of Defence has revealed one of its attack submarines pulled of an astounding upset during recent war-games in the North Atlantic.

 

The Aviationist blog spotted an article on the French defence force’s website — quickly withdrawn — which told how one of their submarines, the “Saphir” tackled the might of the United States’ navy off the coast of Florida.

 

At the core of the surface force was the enormous aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt and its powerful strike wing of 90 combat aircraft and helicopters.

 

Clustered protectively about it was several advanced cruisers and destroyers, and its own guardian submarine.

 

In one element of the war games, the Saphir was tasked with the role of being the “bad guy”.

 

Its mission: To seek, locate and exterminate the US naval force.

 

The exact details of how it achieved this embarrassing outcome is not known.

 

Somehow, the French submarine must have been able to slip between the defensive sensor patchwork of patrol aircraft, helicopters, warships and submarines to line up a shot on the $13 billion monstrosity.

 

There she lurked as a fictitious political crisis evolved in the world above.

 

On the final day of the exercise, the order finally came.

 

Sink the Theodore Roosevelt.

 

This 30-year-old Saphir proceeded to do. Along with most of the escorting warships.

(Source)

Yes, a single 39-year old submarine managed to sneak into the protective ring of an entire aircraft carrier group and go through a mock firing of its entire complement of torpedoes against the entire set of targets.

Oops.

Besides the embarrassment for the US crews involved, this proves an important point: ships are no match for submarines. And there are a lot of submarines out there on both sides. Offensive anti-ship technology in the form of advanced submarine torpedoes, as well as missiles fired from land or aircraft, have advanced by enormous leaps and bounds since WWII.

The US has never faced an adversary with such technology in open warfare. But Russia and China (and even Iran) are stocked to the gills with such weapons.

By provoking Russia, the US risks exposing the fact that it cannot really project power all across the globe anymore because it cannot possibly ship things to and fro with impunity.  Once that calculus changes, everything changes -- with King Dollar right at the top of the list.

Whether that comes to pass, I am finding the risk of a major conflict between NATO/EU and Russia to be high and seemingly growing higher with every passing week.  Such are the times in which we live.

It leaves me asking if it’s time to begin preparing for war, which means being ready for the worst.

I truly wish that this were not how things were unfolding, but seeing General Breedlove and Victoria Nuland get away unchallenged with their blatant falsehoods is giving me a serious case of déjà vu.

We’ve been here before. And we know that the war hawks seem to get their way, for reasons that remain murky at best. Only this time they have a real, legitimate and dangerous foe in their sights.

In Part 2: How To Prepare For War, we investigate the risks associated with the most likely forms of conflict should things escalate from here: trade war, energy war, financial war, cyberwar, grid-down sabotage, shooting war and nuclear war.

While any of these developments will be grim at best, there are a surprising number of steps you can take today that will reduce your vulnerability to each off these. And in most cases, the investment of material and time will have persisting value even if (hopefully) the current global tensions de-escalate.

But as we often say, the time to prepare for crisis is in advance. Given the risks, why wouldn't you start taking at least a few precautions now?

Click here to read Part 2 of this report (free executive summary, enrollment required for full access)

 

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Thu, 03/12/2015 - 20:35 | 5883714 LetThemEatRand
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I remember reading Chris Martenson with great interest in 2008.  Good for him making a cottage industry out of it.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 20:57 | 5883755 knukles
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Prepare?  I thought that we were already at war!

BTW, domestic war, check out Broadcastify, Police, Ferguson MO.  Whole lotta shakin' goin' on tonight.  Crowds gathering, shots fired. 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:01 | 5883768 LetThemEatRand
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Back in the late 1800's, early 1900's there were real conflicts between police and everyone else (back when corporations did not need to pussy foot around who owned the police).  In the '60's, there were real race riots.  Even in our adulthood, we had the King riots.  Today, we need to look to a suburb of St. Louis where a few shots have been fired.  Yes, it's the end of the world.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:12 | 5883797 DeadFred
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China is ready for war. Iron ore stockpiled at the foundries, coal at the power plants and God only knows how much gold. Does anyone see any overhead power lines in those 'ghost' cities? Betcha they're built with emp level surge protectors. America on the other hand is expected (government estimates) to lose 50-90% of it's population if the grid is down for a year. I wonder if China stays nuetral if the Russia thing turns south?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 22:00 | 5883840 SMG
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"Is It Time To Prepare For War?"

I'm sorry to say, yes it is.  And I hope I'm wrong, but save as many as you love as you can.

The ICBM's and bio-weapons are real, and are in the hands of some very evil people, on all sides.

Here's what's coming and why in case you're interested:

http://www.worldaffairsbrief.com/keytopics/threats.html

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 22:40 | 5884050 weburke
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plan for the sdr. 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 23:02 | 5884103 Anusocracy
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"I wonder if China stays nuetral if the Russia thing turns south?"

The question is: Will the US do the dance of death with Russia and leave China standing?

Maybe in a parallel universe.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 23:38 | 5884159 Slave
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God be with you dumbasses that haven't been preparing for years already.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 02:18 | 5884322 OldPhart
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I have four cans of tuna.  I'm all set.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 05:49 | 5884422 readyforit
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You'll be fine.  Don't forget the can opener. 

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 08:33 | 5884626 shovelhead
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Was he seen walking barefoot across Abbey Road?

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 09:33 | 5884836 Bendromeda Strain
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I    buried    Vlad

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 08:56 | 5884720 Nexus789
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Damn, I forgot the can opener.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 09:42 | 5884873 tocointhephrase
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Just use your teeth!

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 10:08 | 5884936 Rock and Hard Space
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'tis okay.  Find a hard, flat, spot like a politician or banster's head, or your driveway, even a tile or cement floor. Turn can upside down (top and bottom are no longer usually the same) and lay flat and rub vigorously back and forth for a few minutes.  Turn can upriight, squeeze sides and top should pop off.

Or buy cans with ring-tabs.

You're welcome.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 14:18 | 5886103 PTR
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The best time to plant a tree is 15 years ago.  The second best time is today.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 14:19 | 5886105 PTR
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Make your hay while the sun shines.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 02:18 | 5884321 Paveway IV
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"Is It Time To Prepare For War?"

Not only no, but FUCK NO. In fact, it's time to prepare for mysterious, self-inflicted nail-gun suicides for the MIC cronies and government oligarchs that advocate war. I think more than enough little people have died for them in the last century or two. We're on vacation now (like the Greeks). It's time the chickenhawks start becoming terribly self-conflicted and paranoid about their roles and seriously consider making the voices in their heads go away with a hollow-point.

But I really can't promote suicide - even for the chickenhawks[sigh]. As an alternative, I propose that the only members of congress that are ever allowed to vote on any matters of war - like supplying lethal arms to Ukraine - must first become qualified by working hands-on for three days in the Mortuary Affairs (Graves and Registration) unit of, say, the Ukraine Army. If you can last that long, I will consider you fully qualified to vote on issues potentially involving dead Ukrainians and/or dead soldiers in general. If you can't last three days or choose not to show up, then you have no right whatsoever to vote in those matters while in congress. 

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 06:02 | 5884426 winchester
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you dream, you will get killed for such words.

 

you do not change the world as it is by fighting elites and govs, you change it by letting elites nuke each others and get cockroache'd under the dome waiting dust fall down.

 

it is too late for any mass of the world to get things change,  only insanity fight insanity to get balance back,  at any cost. your job for yourself is anticipating, preparing, waiting. do not be fool enought thinking you gonna join micro army and remove  bad guy from the top, coz there will always be swaps, someone else take the seat, the only solution, is the final solution, wait until everything need to be rebuilt.

 

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 07:03 | 5884471 Paveway IV
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"...you dream, you will get killed for such words..."

Some words are worth dying for.

"...you do not change the world as it is by fighting elites and govs..."

My country wouldn't have existed if it wasn't for some old, dead guys fighting the elites and govs of their day. That's exactly how they changed their world.

"...you change it by letting elites nuke each others and get cockroache'd under the dome waiting dust fall down..."

Bad idea - you and I live in that same dome, winchester. How about we just cockroach a few elites, instead?

"...it is too late for any mass of the world to get things change,  only insanity fight insanity to get balance back,  at any cost..."

I'm sure someone said that same thing to all the old, dead guys that founded my country. I guess a lot of us are kind of insane like that here.

"...do not be fool enought thinking you gonna join micro army and remove  bad guy from the top, coz there will always be swaps, someone else take the seat..."

I have no plans to remove any bad guys 'from the top' for the reasons you just said. I just want to drive the elite class back in their secret underground lairs after they've soiled their expensive pants. Containment, not extermination. They're just not allowed anywhere near my government ever again. If they persist, then more extreme measures might be called for. 

"...the only solution, is the final solution, wait until everything need to be rebuilt..."

No - that's the solution of an irresponsible, lazy, helpless cowards with the luxury of all the time in the world to wait. I'm better than that and I owe people. Besides, I'll be dead in another twenty or thirty years. I don't have time to wait around for some theoretical post-WWIII reconstruction that may never happen before I get off my ass and do something.  

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 07:46 | 5884538 HowdyDoody
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"I just want to drive the elite class back in their secret underground lairs after they've soiled their expensive pants"

Like "pay your taxes and stay out of politics, or your ill-gotten gains will be confiscated and you will go to jail"?

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 15:04 | 5886328 Paveway IV
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King George said something like that.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 10:18 | 5884977 2handband
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You're missing a few things:

1) Most of what you know about the American revolution is propoganda. Basically local oligarchs siezed power from oligarchs back in england and duped a bunch of the locals into fighting for them. The average colonist wasn't really any better off after the power changed hands... they just weren't colonists anymore. Oh, and more of them were dead. This isn't even tinfoil hat stuff; you can confirm it in a couple hours of internet time. Remember, the true purpose of primary school history is to promote patriotism, NOT to teach you how things actually happened.

2) The situation today is in no way analogous to the situation then; it's a false dichotomy which a lot of people unfortunately buy off on and sooner or later is going to get a lot of people killed. The deep state is much deeper, much more international, and much more powerful.

3) Even ignoring that and breaking it down to the simple shit, there are two reasons why armed revolution is impossible in the modern world. First off, the tehnological disparity between what is available to the populace and what is available to governments has never been greater. A bunch of untrained people with hunting rifles are going to do fuck-all against tanks and drones manned by trained professionals. And if you really think the armed forces will stand down or take your side, you'd better check your history. The second reason is the complete dependence the modern human has on the system. You really think you can stage a successful revolution without causing breakdowns in the flow of commerce? When that happens, all the people you need on your side are going to be opposing you because they need food. Remember the demonstations in france a few years ago? It was impressive... those folks damn near shut the country down (I never want to hear another American call the french pussies again, BTW). Until they came close to disrupting the flow of goods and services and lost their popular support.

4) Look into history and show me a single revolutionary government that hasn't been coopted by the vested interests before it got into power. I'll wait.

Bottom line: we're fucked.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 14:56 | 5886282 Paveway IV
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'...Most of what you know about the American revolution is propaganda..." 

You have no idea what I think I know about the revolution. Don't judge me by your interpretation.

"...Basically local oligarchs seized power from oligarchs back in England and duped a bunch of the locals into fighting for them..."

Oligarch means belonging to the ruling class, not being relatively wealthy or successful. There was not a class of people in the colonies that made their entire living by being professional politicians or rulers - the founding fathers had farms, businesses and jobs. 'The locals' didn't care much for British rule or being forced to obey British orders at gunpoint. Nobody 'duped' then into fighting - they were pissed off enough to fight an arrogant power to rid themselves of it. 

"...The average colonist wasn't really any better off after the power changed hands... they just weren't colonists anymore.  Oh, and more of them were dead..."

They had rights relative to their new, limited government that citizens in other countries didn't have with their existing governments. You make it sound like those rights were trivial to the average person back then. People don't like living on their knees. Didn't you learn that in primary school history?

"...The situation today is in no way analogous to the situation then; it's a false dichotomy which a lot of people unfortunately buy off on and sooner or later is going to get a lot of people killed..."

It is analogous in the only way that matters: The government is run by and for the benefit of wealthy oligarchs. It 1) assigns itself rights and privileges it should not have in order to benefit itself and the wealthy and perpetuate their power, and 2) sees its citizens as labor and revenue-generators. Adversaries that need to be kept on a short leash - placated rather than served. And in case you haven't noticed, the U.S. government has already resulted in the needless deaths of millions in the last few decades and has no plans to change it's course in the near future. It can order your sons and daughters to their deaths for outright lies and kill millions of others with impunity, today. You don't see that as a seriously fucked-up problem?

"...The deep state is much deeper, much more international, and much more powerful..." "...Even ignoring that and breaking it down to the simple shit, there are two reasons why armed revolution is impossible in the modern world..."

I'm not looking for replacement psychopaths by killing the current ones - that's the revolution you keep talking about. I'm looking to sever all links between any sort of 'deep state' and my government - permanently. Remove their influence. That takes a little more thought than running up and down the street with a shotgun looking for politicians. In fact, those spineless bastards are the least of my worries. It would probably be more productive to cull the lobbyists, PACs and wealthy oligarchs until the surviving ones understood that they are not allowed near my government. I sincerely think there must be a better way than 'culling' - I'm just not smart enough to know the answer today. That doesn't mean the problem doesn't exist nor does it mean a solution doesn't exist. 

"...You really think you can stage a successful revolution without causing breakdowns in the flow of commerce?..."

No, but I think I can remove a lot of the incentive my government seems to have to do the wrong things. Removing the inordinate influence of wealthy interests on my government isn't going to shut down ANY legitimate commerce. It will just make the wealthy bitchy about how horrible life is for them if they can't bribe the government or have access to profitable inside information. 

"...Look into history and show me a single revolutionary government that hasn't been coopted by the vested interests before it got into power. I'll wait...."

Wait away - you're the one that threw up the straw-man of armed revolution. I can accept every last idiot in government today without a single change if I was sure that they were not influenced by or acting on behalf of other wealthy oligarchs. I can handle stupid and/or ideological but sincere. I can't tolerate secretly bought and paid-for stooges or anyone bringing home the bacon to their state for the benefit of their little clan of local wealthy oligarchs.

"...Bottom line: we're fucked..."

You certainly ARE the perfect slave. What's your name, boy? SAY IT!

We're only fucked if we're looking for quick, easy, ethical answers because there are none. Culling the rich oligarchs is quick and easy, but not terribly ethical.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 22:57 | 5887839 2handband
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So what's your plan?

Sun, 03/15/2015 - 22:28 | 5893082 Paveway IV
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I'm not smart enough to think up of a good plan - I'm hoping someone else can. 

One of two things are going to happen: either someone does come up with a good enough plan, or nobody ever does and we eventually resort to running up and down the streets with shotguns.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 08:00 | 5884552 Shropshire Lad
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re SMG "World Affairs Report"

 

< p>Skousen's report is about as insightful as high school homework.  A portentious timewaster ....

 

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 09:39 | 5884861 Bendromeda Strain
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Yup - checked it out before, and smh at its reappearance. Poor analysis leads to false conclusions. Hey, did you all see where ZBig said that the EU should come out and unequivocally state that "newest member of Europe, Ukraine, will not be joining NATO." Some balls on that reptile, I wonder if he offered up his daughter to the circle?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:51 | 5883907 btdt
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what makes you think burying power lines protects from EMP?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 23:29 | 5884146 angel_of_joy
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They are if you bury them inside metallic pipelines.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 03:07 | 5884344 Wile-E-Coyote
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Have you ever heard of armoured cables, they have a steel braid between the insulated conductors and outer plastic sheath along the entire length, that is earthed at both ends.  Aka Faraday’s cage. The steel braid is primarily there to protect the cable from mechanical damage but................................

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 11:02 | 5885175 Urban Redneck
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Not really, because even if (which is another diuscussion) the shielding on the conduit achieves the correct signal attenuation to block an EMP, any power line is useless if it does not connect a funtioning power plant to consuming power consumers, and since we are talking about induced EMPs (as opposed to naturally occurring EMPs due to extra-terrestrial radiation) all the shit at both ends would have to properly shielded too.  Otherwise, you just have a more expensive damage delivery system.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 10:56 | 5885164 DeadFred
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Buried lines are immune to the worst part, the E1 pulse which amounts to low grade lightning coming down from the sky everywhere. The E2 and especially the E3 pulses can affect them but they can be protected by fairly simple surge protectors. The E3 pulse, which is similar to the geomagnetic storm from a solar flare is the biggest danger to them but since it produces a slow (several seconds at least) build up of DC voltage on the line, simple control systems can be effective. Plus the E3 pulse won't affect equipment that isn't on the grid so mothballed cities should/might emerge unscathed. It's untested engineering so I wouldn't want to bet my life on it but the real queastion is would the Chinese bet their lives on it?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 23:09 | 5884119 Gold is money -...
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maybe those ghost cities have a purpose after all.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 00:10 | 5884195 MontgomeryScott
Fri, 03/13/2015 - 04:18 | 5884376 cheech_wizard
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decoys...

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 06:07 | 5884429 winchester
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in russia army selecting target, i would choose N.Y and D.C...

 

but that is too obvious, and you know what, i would not be so surprised if detroit was a hidden place for us gov on WW3.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 08:57 | 5884727 Nexus789
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Detroit has already been nuked but no one has noticed.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 09:41 | 5884870 Bendromeda Strain
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It's Denver - haven't you been paying attention?

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 10:11 | 5884946 Rock and Hard Space
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Dear gawd no, not De'toilet.

Depending on which conspiracy you tend to, the reality of the humongous Muslim/MiddleEast population could either solidify, or deny, the claim.

Things that make you go, 'mmm?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 23:10 | 5884118 TheMeatTrapper
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@LTER:

Back in the day, we were a far more resilient nation, populated by a far more self reliant people. That is, white people who put men on the moon rather than black people who, well, I can't really think of anything they've done lately other than riot, steal, catch footballs and make rap "music" about bitches and hoes. But remember - black lives matter. I'm sure somebody like you can come up with a reason why. Perhaps you'll chime in with a response that documents exactly what they've contributed in the last 50 years.

Thanks to people like you, we are now an incredibly helpless nation, far more dependent on an ever shrinking number of competent white men to maintain the national infrastructure so that tens of millions of morbidly obese, government educated, unemployable "Americans" can sit at home watching Jerry Springer and collect disability checks because they're too fat, lazy and stupid to work.

This is why in the past big riots were an anomaly. They were breaks between periods of normalcy. Now even a few shots fired can have huge repercussions, depending upon who fired them and at who.  

It's not the end of the world. But when you're nigger buddies get their hands on you - you'll wish it had been.

 

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 00:44 | 5884231 Toronto Kid
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It wasn't always this way. Read https://t160k.org/campaign/libraries-in-exile/

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 00:51 | 5884239 Jam
Jam's picture

You could add the Tribe as a unproductive class as well.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 01:37 | 5884278 Paveway IV
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Fri, 03/13/2015 - 04:11 | 5884364 Lore
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That's right, focus your hatred and grievances on other enslaved groups that are marketed to you for your convenience, just like you're programmed to.  "Nasty black people!" you say, and the black people look back at you and say: "Nasty white people!"  Or "Nasty Islamists!"  Or "Chicoms" or "Russkies" or "Kapitalist Dogs" or whatever.  Each group has their worldview packaged and delivered to them through years of methodical acculturation complete with scapegoats, and while you're opening fire on each other like Hatfields and McCoys, the real con men slip away quietly to prey another day.  Wash, rinse, repeat. 

Political Ponerology:  A Science on the Nature of Evil Adjusted for Political Purposes

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 10:17 | 5884966 Rock and Hard Space
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Thank you @Lore.

Preordained strife and us "smart" guys fall into line to do our master's dirty work.

It is US vs THEM, but most have the true players wrong.

The Us is all of us, including the physically and mentally destroyed in the cities and the productive, and the Them is our true masters and the governments they use to enslave us and pit us against ourselves.

@MeatTrapper I bet you still believe in morality laws and Red vs. Blue too.

The aware that remain ignorant are one of the biggest enemies of personal sovereignty.  In this and in the past.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 07:16 | 5884487 unrulian
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Are you talking about the White exceptional men like the ones that occupy washington?

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 07:19 | 5884491 Grimaldus
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Progressives like LTER have put many many blacks BACK ON THE PLANTATION. Oh yeah Slaves again my brothers but this time they got a bunch of whites there with 'em. Progressives will have everybody on the plantation again if they get their big government criminal way.

When were the first gun laws written? After the civil war, to keep guns out of the hands of free blacks. Now the progressives froth at the mouth to be able to take guns away from blacks and everyone else. Obozo and dickHolder are working overtime to take guns away from free blacks again. They are some twisted motherfuckers.

Constitutional conservatism will give blacks and everyone else their freedom back, if they want it. You won't get personal liberty from criminal big government mafia progressives, that's for fucking sure.

Ironic, isn't it? Most blacks support the progressives that make them slaves.

Grimaldus

 

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 11:45 | 5885351 mercy
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On a fundamental level, what is the difference between you and TPTB. Both you and TPTB see your "race" as superior while others are to be thought of as trash.

 

You are but a useful fool. In a way, I almost pity you. Almost, but not really as you will deserve what is coming your way.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:25 | 5883829 Perimetr
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How to prepare for nuclear war with Russia:

(1) Bend over

( 2) Put your head between your legs

(3) Kiss your ass goodbye

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 22:09 | 5883958 SMG
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No...

(1) Build a shelter, you can use a car or truck air filter to stop the fallout, survive.

(2) After the fallout disapates, find some bankster and use them to help destroy their evil control system.

(3) Build a better world without all of that.

Well that's my plan at least.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 22:30 | 5884015 EHM
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Fri, 03/13/2015 - 00:31 | 5884221 gdogus erectus
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An air filter and a bankster. Dammit, man. Two things I didn't think to put on my list!

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 00:53 | 5884240 Perimetr
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good luck using your truck air filter on 1000+ rads per hour

the banksters will be leaving with the rest of us

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 07:59 | 5884563 lakecity55
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Pre-build your shelter.

When Big Boy goes off, calculate the time before the fallout arrives.

Shoot Banksters, then retreat to shelter.

After fallout washes away, emerge from shelter and shoot surviving banksters.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 22:26 | 5884017 pupdog1
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... and buy a school desk so you can duck and cover.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 22:33 | 5884032 Harbanger
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Thanks for telling me about what's going on in Feguson tonight.  Why no ZH story?

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 03:09 | 5884346 TheRideNeverEnds
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Yea we have been at constant war forever but at this article illustrates things are ramping up a bit yet again.

I think the question on everyone's mind is this; though we seem to be preparing for war is this equal to or grater than the previous levels or preparedness we have experienced since the collapse of Lehman?

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 06:49 | 5884460 Cloud9.5
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This is nothing compared to the summer of 1968.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 11:31 | 5885304 JRobby
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Espionage

Cyber Wars

Covert Ops

 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:03 | 5883775 Harbanger
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Someone should interview him about peak oil again.  That and the fact that he's been a global warming advocate make him a little shady to me.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:05 | 5883784 LetThemEatRand
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Yes, but it's complicated.  Like your sexuality.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:11 | 5883798 Harbanger
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We ain't hanging out till you're off the rag.  On a sidenote, I thought you would have liked Martenson.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:31 | 5883850 Robinhood
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It is temporary. We all live in a world of finite resources. You can deny it if you choose. resources are currency and the currency war is in full battle mode. Next up, real war.   

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 23:16 | 5884130 jaxville
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  Heck....everything in the universe is finite on some level.  Having said that, mankind has not even scratched the surface as far as this planets' resources are concerned. 

  It is power games that keep most resources in short supply.  In the years ahead we will see shortages of gold and silver.  It's not that there is no decent ore left.  The problem is market manipulation and politics have eviscerated the exploration industry. 

   The few resources that are truly in decline cannot be replaced by discoveries of alternatives when politicians interfere by legislation,  bureaucratic strangulation,  corrupt subsidies to pet projects,  draconian environmental regulations, wars, and tonnes of other nonsense that our statist rulers have yet to dream up.

  Without real economic freedom (capitalism, not fascism) there will be more and more shortages of resources.  You will notice those easy enough but what you don't see on the flip side is waste of resources on a scale that only governments can create.

  There is going to be peak oil someday, if we haven't already seen it.  The price of oil will rise to levels that lead to the viable exploitation of other hydrocarbon fuels or alternate energy sources. That's the way it is supposed to work.

  I can't help but think that oil prices were artificially high in order to make fracking and shale oil seem viable.  I suspect that those industries will be wiped out and that when regular crude is truly in short supply they will not be around to make up for the shortfall. 

  There is one resource that is truly in short supply.  That is people with common sense, decency and integrity in the halls of global governance.

 

 

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 00:20 | 5884209 bid the soldier...
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darn

 I can't help but think that oil prices were artificially high in order to make fracking and shale oil seem viable.

It certainly wasn't to make a handsome profit for decade after decade.  Fer Sure..

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 00:35 | 5884225 Harbanger
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Democrats: Let's Ban Profits!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07fTsF5BiSM


Fri, 03/13/2015 - 09:51 | 5884894 Bendromeda Strain
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Down arrowed by a proglodyte I see...

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 10:44 | 5885112 Consuelo
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If there is any 'stock' you can rely on to consistently bring solid returns, it is the 'Fear trade'...

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 20:36 | 5883715 Crash Overide
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Must have war, profit, keep machine going...

Sick of it... enough

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 00:13 | 5884198 e_goldstein
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 Call the cops on the Breedloves, bring a bible and a rope,

 and a whole box of rebel and a bar of soap,

make a pile of trunk tires and burn em on down...

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:19 | 5883717 European American
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I don't know, but maybe the Psychos need an anthem...

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UqLRqzTp6Rk&feature=youtu.be&eml=2015March12/2213413/6120837&etsubid=38025372

This song dedicated to all the courageous US fighting men and women spreading their infectious form of freedom and democracy across the globe.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 20:39 | 5883723 A_latvian
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WAR WER DECLARED!

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 00:15 | 5884201 bid the soldier...
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WAR FOR POTATO TWO 

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 04:38 | 5884387 TheFourthStooge-ing
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Great Potatriotic War

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 06:24 | 5884442 Random
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The Great Patriotic Kartupelis* War (thanks google translate).

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 20:41 | 5883728 CunnyFunt
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...

"Click here to read Part II of this report (free executive summary, enrollment required for full access)"

...

 

Here's my executive summary ... Fuck Off.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 00:35 | 5884226 gdogus erectus
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Yeah man! We like to read the shit you spent 100s of hours on researching, writing and editing for free, man! So fuck you, I'll go read free stuff over on MSNBC!

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 07:08 | 5884477 CunnyFunt
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If he spent hundereds of hours researching this article, then he must be quite challenged. There is NO new information here. I would bet that part II is recycled from Joel Skousen. I have better uses for my fiat.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 10:05 | 5884926 Bendromeda Strain
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I like Martenson, but I would have to agree. I told my wife "Wife, I could have written a better article". So much to comment on that he is either ignorant of or neglected. Let's go back to the false flag on the Maidan, the "death of Mommy Odessa", or the torchlight parades with the portrait of Stepan Bandera. I have the photo ops of both insane war monger McCain and neocon supreme Nudelman posing with Oleh Tyahnybok (sp) right after he celebrated his reelection to Svoboda with a fascist salute. How about the evil hag Iryna Farion corrupting poor little kindergartners? Here is a bonus question I have for all of you, and this is critical to understanding how bad the situation in Ukraine is.

"In what country is the marker to commemorate the victims of Stepan Bandera's attempted genocide?"

When you can answer that, then learn that polonium boy Yushchenko from the Orange Revolution also awarded Bandera the "Hero of Ukraine" medal posthumously (later rescinded - now reinstated) the the utter horror of Europe. This is a shitfest and the West has smelly brown teeth. I am disgusted and ashamed that I voted for McCain to keep the other lying luciferian loser out of office.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 20:47 | 5883740 serotonindumptruck
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In the WWWIII poker championship, the USSA/NATO has gone "all in" with a pair of deuces and a pair of fours.

Once you go "all in", you gotta ride it out, no matter how the cards fall.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 20:52 | 5883746 Son of Captain Nemo
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Is It Time To Prepare For War?

Or?...

Is the Pope a Catholic?....

And...

Will the majority of the sheep that fell for the last one 70 years ago that wiped out 60 million souls be brain dead enough to rally behind the next one that will effectively end life as we know it with "nuclear war"?!!!

Like I've said many times here before. I wouldn't want to be Lord "douchebag" Rothschild and Mr. Rockefeller in the 3 mile deep penthouse with many angry servants that the joint top side doesn't exist anymore because of the orders they followed this time around!

Whole lotta very dead"1%" will be going on even in the bowels of the most expensive fallout shelter!!!

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 20:59 | 5883763 will ling
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can anyone, anywhere tell me where the luxury of "time" will come from in the context of acute urgency the nuke scenario connotes.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:28 | 5883842 Philo Beddoe
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The bay of pigs incident was over 50 years ago and here we are. Nobody is going to blow up anybody to that extenet that it disrupts overall business. 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:33 | 5883856 Harbanger
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I dont know, Is the Pope Catholic? 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 23:39 | 5884162 jaxville
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  I am hearing too much about a recent pope whose mom was Jewish.  How can that be?

 

 

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 10:10 | 5884945 Bendromeda Strain
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Yeah? Both the current Pope's parents happen to be Italian which makes him Italian, which makes some interesting predictions (prophecies if you will) come into play. Interesting times indeed.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 01:24 | 5884267 jaxville
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  Not sure about the pope being Catholic, but; I do know that over 500 nuclear weapons have already been set off above ground.  The military forces who set them off know what they can do and their limitations as well. Many of those were huge yielding devices that were essentially undeliverable as bombs.  For a few years there was a competition to see who could detonate the largest yielding device.

  The warheads now are smaller but more accurate.  I am sure they have a few multi megaton warheads for hardened targets but far too few to even come close to ending life on earth.  Still, an unrestrained nuclear war could lead to well over a billion people perishing as a result. Never mind how many billions will be put to a sustenance level of survival as well.

   And yes, in recent years the US has adopted a first strike option.  Sleep well.

 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 20:56 | 5883759 Usurious
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as Mako would say.....liquidation of the walking unfunded liabilities.....

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 20:59 | 5883766 Irishcyclist
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Don't let the lack of a declaration, fool ye.

 

War is ongoing.

 

War without end, amen.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 04:06 | 5884367 disabledvet
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The question could be whether or not this "saber rattling" calls for a very serious realignment into a very aggressive offensive force posture.

 

In other words a statisically significant move of say 3-5 thousand heavy and mobile units directly into Ukraine proper with the intent to deal with perhaps dramatic contingencies of a highly uncertain ...if not fluid and dynamic...plan for "control."

 

Setting up checkpoints, issuing out proper "documents"... Beginning the dismantlement as it were of " rogue elements."

 

The follow on force to such a continency would be truly massive.  15-2000 vehicle fleet, 3/4 to half a million "force protection element."

 

The bulk of the Russian military is bottled up in the caucuses right now.

 

This whole "land bridge" thing looks like a disaster to me.  They could be pinned to the shoreline with both flanks totally exposed.  Be like that Clint Eastwood movie where he has to get the witness to the court house....meanwhile the entire State Police force is turning his bus into Swiss cheese as he "runs the gauntlet."

 

This railroad thing looks like a total debacle to me.  Tactically the Ukrainians were defeated....but that was no rout...and the entire Russian strategy looks patently obvious now.

 

If the Ukrainian Army gives way this go around....

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:00 | 5883767 casfoto
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Get rid of the Neocons. Get rid of the neocons. Get rid of the Neocons. Then get rid of Aipac. Then get rid of Nuttyahoo and then all these things will calm down and we will deal with human beings as we should....no one wants any of this absurdity. Only those that can make enormous profits from these things and we all know who they are and where they live. If this starts the world should concentrate on looking them up and executing them as soon as possible. It would give the world at least a hundred years of peace.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:30 | 5883845 Harbanger
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Which Neocon do you prefer?  Obama, Hillary, Bush or Pocahontas?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 22:13 | 5883972 California Nigh...
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O, H, an B just follow orders,  Of Warren, she would, too. And if she didn't, she would be side stepped or replaced.

 

Indeed, get rid of the neocons. 

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 00:19 | 5884207 Harbanger
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That means you want to get rid of liberals.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 12:15 | 5885480 Savyindallas
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Neocons are just the agents of the Banksters  -they control both parties  -the Demoblicans and the Republocrats. 

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 15:27 | 5886430 darteaus
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Faux-cahontas?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:03 | 5883770 10mm
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Anybody glance or look at tonight's Dateline propaganda.  Bashing the hell out of Putin and so forth. 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:06 | 5883786 chubbar
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Wouldn't be a bit surprised to learn the cocksuckers at the WH want the whole fleet sunk to top off their subversion of the US constitution.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:07 | 5883788 Chuck Knoblauch
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Did the Moscow shooting inspire the Ferguson shooting?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:57 | 5883790 Taint Boil
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I have said before - 50 bad guys with 50 calibers could probably bring the USA to its knees by taking down refineries, the power grid, etc.

Hold on a sec – a knock at the door. [talking in the back ground] no thanks, not interested in any nail guns at this ti……[snap, snap, snap].

 

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 05:07 | 5884403 Parrotile
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Like this you mean? http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB10001424052702304851104579359141941621778

If this was a "practice run" then it was surprisingly well-planned. Takes knowledge and effort to do all those "right things", then literally disappear into the night - no trail left behind.

Maybe "next time" it'll be more than a few high-powered rifles, and the damage may be rather more "permanent" . . . .

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:09 | 5883792 lolmao500
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Latest in the Putin mystery...

Just spoke with a collegue of mine with RUssian embassy connections in London. Shit is hitting the proverbial fan as we speak. Vladimir Puchkov was in a meeting with Medvedev a few hours ago in Moscow... all the defence attaches didn't turn up yesterday and EMERCOM are supposedly going to run an exercise later in the morning.

I've just got off the phone. We've got a few hours until an announcement is made. All of the people from the military and defence attache office in the london embassy left the country over the last couple of days...

WW3???? Or Putin dead??

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:20 | 5883821 will ling
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the only message the west will get is this:

1) the russians for some reason have ordered the evacuation of all cites.

2)   "       "         "      "        "        "   cut off all communications w/the west.

3)    "       "         "       "       "       "  ordered all males 16+ to 65 to active duty within 24 hrs, and all armed forces to defcon max.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 22:13 | 5883976 inevitablecollapse
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3rd party,  or you personally?

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 04:11 | 5884370 disabledvet
disabledvet's picture

Yes, me personally.

 

I am General Antietam and I am in control now.

 

 

You will obey me....or die.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 15:22 | 5886415 darteaus
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General, I am obeying you.

I'm just doing it very, very slowly.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:11 | 5883799 BaghdadBob
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Every generation there seems to be a shift in global power. Then, Gold is collected by a different regime on a regular basis. Once enough gold has been collected the Lizards arrive in their flying saucers, load up, fly away and then leave behind a huge genocidal mess in their wake. We should try and discover where abouts in the solar system their base is. Then nuke it from orbit...

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:14 | 5883806 nuke ISIS now
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More promotion of Russian propaganda, nothing new to see from the Tylers here, just the same old party line...right Tyler?

Its actually hilarious, once you start reading these posts, realizing they are nothing bt advancing propaganda, from a disgruntled Bulgarian who got nabbed by the SEC 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:47 | 5883895 btdt
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28 weeks with us hasbara.

do hasbara give birth in 9 months like humans?

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 06:46 | 5884458 Winston Churchill
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They hatch, like most reptiles.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:30 | 5883848 darteaus
Fri, 03/13/2015 - 12:01 | 5885420 The Joker
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It's Sirius.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:11 | 5883801 darteaus
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I don't think Peace is possible, as politicians will exploit the impovershment they caused (e.g. Venezuela), and blame some foreign devil.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:18 | 5883818 DOGGONE
Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:20 | 5883819 IridiumRebel
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We are at war. Neocons are trying to act like it....I'd get to stocking and stacking but that goes without saying. I think summer it goes hot. We are currently in the currency war part and Econ war. Hot war will follow.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:25 | 5883830 Atomizer
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A Perfect Circle - Counting Bodies Like Sheep to the Rhythm of the War Drums http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=93ByMEx50Zc
Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:26 | 5883834 rsnoble
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How to prepare for war w Russia?  LOL.  Have food and weapons.  The remaining 95% will be pure luck.

Furthermore, the US reminds me of a retarded kid in grade school that kept trying to pet a really mean dog.  Eventually the dog bit the shit out of him.  True story.  Sad thing is, I bet if it were possible for the two to be reunited he'd try it again.  There's some stupid motherfuckers in the US that are playing with millions of lives.   We are just a side distraction, a tool to be used, in case you haven't noticed they do whatever they want whenever they want.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:27 | 5883837 rsnoble
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I'd like to rename ww3 to Shitstorm.  I've been using that phrase a lot lately for some reason.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:27 | 5883839 Vinividivinci
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well this coming week would be good as any for something to pop!
just read on BIN, possibly no fly zone called over Syria...
Elections in Israel on the 17th
Super moon on the 19th
Total solar eclipse on the 20th
Spring equinox on the 21st
CERN getting ready to unleash "whatever" in the coming week...
yada, yada, yada....
Got my popcorn, got my smokes, ready for some fireworks !

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 01:00 | 5884250 August
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The odds that CERN will accidentally destroy the planet are, like, really, really low.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 08:53 | 5884705 shovelhead
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No Swiss Melts?

Bummer.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:31 | 5883851 q99x2
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7 billion people about to rise up and go after every billionaire and concentration of wealth to stop the insanity and redistribute the stolen wealth. Bring it on bitchez.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 22:20 | 5883993 pupdog1
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They're too stoned on statin drugs, high fructose corn syrup, and the 18 ingredients in McDonald's french fries.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 01:51 | 5884290 Alvin Fernald
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No.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:33 | 5883855 Jack Burton
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"the French submarine must have been able to slip between the defensive sensor patchwork of patrol aircraft, helicopters, warships and submarines to line up a shot on the $13 billion monstrosity"

Our own submarines have done this routinely during naval exercises. It has been done from at least the early 1960's.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 06:11 | 5884433 winchester
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but i do not think the 1960 sensors as accurate at the 2000' ones, if you know what i mean....

 

 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:34 | 5883857 shankster
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After 8 years of Bush and now Obama..anything can and will happen. Bush and Obama the one-two knockout punch for the USA... http://www.prepsite.org/2015/03/bush-and-obama-one-two-knockout-punch.ht...

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:35 | 5883864 Chad_the_short_...
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long and strong RUSS baby!!! go obama go!!!! go kerry go!!! go biden go!!! go hillary go!!! go nuland go!!! go rahm go!! go yellen go!!! go america!!! home of the free, home of the brave!!! home of the proud!!

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:58 | 5883896 Caleb Abell
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It's astounding that so many people ridicule General Breedlove based on a single interview.  Especially since they took his comments out of context.

For example, according to the dishonest quote in the article, General Breedlove was alleged to have said:

"What is clear," Breedlove said, "is that right now, it is not getting better. It is getting worse every day."

What General Breedlove actually said was:

"What is clear," Breedlove said, "is that right now, it is not getting better. It is getting worse every day because the Russians are planning to steal our Precious Bodily Fluids."


Thu, 03/12/2015 - 23:12 | 5884124 Equality 7-25-1
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General Breedlove was a great patriot. All he wanted was a place to cook Coca Cola, original formula. The damn heathens just don't realize what they're giving up. 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:48 | 5883897 ch25061
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The fact that this pulling the nuclear war tiger by the tail has not evoked massive street demonstrations against it

just proves how utterly insane Americans have become.  They are so distracted by their iThings that they are

about to walk into an open manhole cover that sealed a shaft straight to Hell.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:50 | 5883905 Obersturmbannführer
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The  best would be to arrest all the Rothschilds ' s neocons or mandatory draft all their18 years' old intoo every single military war around the world!

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 22:00 | 5883933 Fun Facts
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In a nuclear war, think of the launching of the nukes as the grand finale which lasts maybe 12 hours at most and contains more BTU's than all of WWII combined.

So one provocation after another, one poke after another from Nuland and the PNAC ZWO ZATO revolutionaries, and sooner or later we see the 12 hour finale as a result of their self idignation, exceptionalism and clear intellectual superiority over the rest of mankind.

Then it's time to think about what Einstein said regarding WWIV.

It will be fought with sticks and stones.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 23:39 | 5884163 pickupthatcan
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One Russian Tsar Bomba was more powerful than all the bombs dropped during WWII put together.  1500 times more powerful than Hiroshimo and Nagasaki combined.  And they neutered it down by half its potential.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsar_Bomba

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 06:11 | 5884432 JustUsChickensHere
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The resulting safety failures of the approx 460 Nuclear power plants in that global 12 hours, will unlease all the stored radioactive material at those plants into the biosphere.  End Of Life event for earth ... almost all species extinct.

We will certainly not have WWIV - with any sort of weapons. We will not exist.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 08:50 | 5884688 Calmyourself
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They always forget that don't they hundreds of white hot uranium spewing fukushimas all over and in close proximity to pop. centers..

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 07:26 | 5884503 RaceToTheBottom
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Liberate the BTUs!!!!

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 22:00 | 5883934 Reaper
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The modern sheeple are no different from the earlier sheeple. They trust their leaders, their military, their superiority fantasies. The USA has challenged incompetent foes and, at best, has reached a draw. The USA believes its superiority delusion.
What happened to to the Japanese and German battleships? The great error of Empires is their hubris. The great error of generals is their presumptuousness. The great error of admirals is their unsinkable fantasies. The great error of neo-cons is their self-righteousness. The great error of engaging in war is to presume ultimate victory.
Nothing has changed for the righteously deluded. "Pride goes before destruction, a haughty spirit before a fall." ~ Proverbs 16:18

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 02:47 | 5884333 scatha
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No american  aircraft carrier was ever attacked after WWII. No gulf of Tonkin.

They are siting ducks, tracked via satellites and global electronic surveillance centers, waiting to be incinerated, 160 airplanes, thousands of sailors a pop. It will prove aircraft carrier global reach a fallacy in XXI century, relic of old days, a boat diplomacy. New war will be fought in Earth's orbit to knock out communication systems and military GPS navigation systems before big guns are unleashed.

Already at least 300 american fools died in Ukraine. But before we are asked to die for Soros, we have right to know why we have die for him as well as for another Nobel peace price winner. See link below.

https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/2015/01/18/ukraine-no-country-fo...

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 22:12 | 5883965 Duc888
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How about we let all the people who WANT MOAR WOAR go directly to the front line.  Do not pass "Go" do not collect $200.  Just step right up and go for it.  Let the Bushe's, Cheney's, Clintons, all pf PINAC, Nutty-yahoo and his whole crew, NATO and the other mercenary riff raff have at it.

 

 

All those who do NOT want MOAR WOAR can just kick back with family and friends and have some incredible BBQ's and watch the assholes who WANT MOAR WOAR immplate themselves.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 23:31 | 5884154 dexter_morgan
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+ 10000000

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 08:53 | 5884703 Calmyourself
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They would talk their way into the rear with the gear, lets round up their children and send them 18-45, front line..

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 22:39 | 5884049 zen0
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There will not be a war. That is not how things work now.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 23:11 | 5884123 Bighorn_100b
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Respectfully disagree. USA is and wants more war, anything to keep the Ponzi Scheme and industrial war complex going if you ask me. Not only that but a war on USA soil is not out of the question either.

Having said that, call me already ready for the worse case SHTF.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 23:49 | 5884178 FreeShitter
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They want agenda 21, they want it all. Nuclear war is more closer now than ever. The MSM/hollywood/music industry is doing its job to keep people's emotions subdued and the pharmaceutical industry is doing its job to keep the sheeple chemically subdued. We are fucked simple as that.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 00:11 | 5884197 Dancing Disraeli
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Well, this only works if the war is conventional.  Obviously, nuclear war is baby AND bathwater.

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 01:15 | 5884262 August
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Don't worry.  There may in fact be a war, but in this era of enlightened self-interest and global communication, any conflict will not be allowed to get out of hand. 

It'll be over before Christmas.

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