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US "Urges" Vietnam To Stop Helping Russian Bombers Re-Fuel

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It appears Washington is losing some control among its allies. Amid a flurry of high-level visits to Vietnam last year, the US has been pouring in aid and assistance in health, education, landmines clearance, scholarships and nuclear energy. The reason is now becoming clear. As Reuters reports, Vietnam has been allowing Russia to use a former US military base to refuel nuclear-capable bombers as it rattles its sabre over the Asia-Pac region.. and America would like that to stop: "we have urged Vietnamese officials to ensure that Russia is not able to use its access to Cam Ranh Bay to conduct activities that could raise tensions in the region." All that was missing was the "or else."

 

As Reuters reports, the United States has asked Vietnam to stop letting Russia use a former U.S. base to refuel nuclear-capable bombers engaged in shows of strength over the Asia-Pacific region, exposing strains in Washington's steadily warming relations with Hanoi...

It is the first time that U.S. officials have confirmed the role of Cam Ranh Bay, a natural deep-water harbor, in Russian bomber plane activity that has increased globally.

 

 

Brooks said the planes that circled Guam were refueled by Russian tankers flying from the strategic bay, which was transformed by the Americans during the Vietnam War into a massive air and naval base.

 

Vietnam's willingness to allow Russia to use Cam Ranh Bay reflects Hanoi's complex position in a geopolitical tug-of-war that frequently pits China and Russia on one side and the United States, Japan and much of Southeast Asia on the other.

 

Washington is keen to secure greater access itself to Cam Ranh Bay as part of its strategic "pivot" to Asia to counter China's growing strength in the region. U.S. ships have visited for repairs in recent years.

 

Vietnam, in turn, has sought closer U.S. ties as a hedge against what it sees as China's aggression, but remains close to Russia in both defense and energy cooperation.

 

Cam Ranh Bay is now host to three submarines bought by Vietnam's navy from Russia to counter Chinese expansion in the South China Sea, with two more expected by early next year.

 

Brooks said in an interview the flights indicated that Vietnam's Cold War-era ally Russia was acting as "a spoiler to our interests and the interests of others."

 

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Asked about the Russian flights in the region, the State Department official, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said Washington respected Hanoi's right to enter agreements with other countries.

 

But the official added: "We have urged Vietnamese officials to ensure that Russia is not able to use its access to Cam Ranh Bay to conduct activities that could raise tensions in the region."

 

The Vietnamese government did not immediately respond to a request for comment on the U.S. request.

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And how will the US 'ensure' this happens...

U.S. Ambassador to Vietnam Ted Osius said on Friday it was understandable Hanoi would look to "historic partners" when it came to security, but the United States had "much to offer... to enhance Vietnam's security in the short, medium and long term."

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It seems not everyone sees Russia as the isolated nation The West would prefer.

 

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Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:14 | 5881773 JustObserving
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Or there will be another false-flag Gulf of Tonkin incident?

Gulf of Tonkin incident

The Gulf of Tonkin incident (or the USS Maddox incident) is the name given to two separate confrontations involving North Vietnam and the United States in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. The first event occurred on August 2, 1964, between the destroyer USS Maddox and three North Vietnamese Navy torpedo boats of the 135th Torpedo Squadron. The second was originally claimed by the U.S. National Security Agency to have occurred on August 4, 1964, as another sea battle, but instead may have involved "Tonkin Ghosts" (false radar images) and not actual NVN torpedo boat attacks.

The outcome of these two incidents was the passage by Congress of the Gulf of Tonkin Resolution, which granted President Lyndon B. Johnson the authority to assist any Southeast Asian country whose government was considered to be jeopardized by "communist aggression." The resolution served as Johnson's legal justification for deploying U.S. conventional forces and the commencement of open warfare against North Vietnam.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-05/these-false-flags-were-used-sta...

US is well qualified to ask Vietnam to do that after killing 3.8 million Vietnamese in the Vietnam war.  And a million Vietnamese today still suffer the ill-effects of Agent Orange per the Vietnamese Red Cross

https://mattsteinglass.wordpress.com/2008/06/20/vietnam-war-killed-38-mi...

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:17 | 5881832 Latina Lover
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The USSA's number one export is federal reserve notes, backed by bullets, bombs, banks and threats. 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:22 | 5881860 Silky Johnson
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A lot of fucking balls dictating what actions to take to a nation that we invaded and curb stomped for no damn reason. The cherry on top would have been telling them, "you don't want us coming back, do you?" Fucking arrogant and disgusting.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:07 | 5882046 Headbanger
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YOU NO 10!

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:15 | 5882071 Anusocracy
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Interesting article on measured versus SNP predicted IQs. Vietnam might have a great deal of potential - they did create Topio 3.0.

http://www.popsci.com/technology/article/2010-02/ping-pong-playing-termi...

http://www.unz.com/akarlin/genetics-iq-and-convergence/

Vietnam: Phenotypic IQ of 99, versus a genotypic IQ of 106. Certainly a major surprise, considering it is even higher than China. The gap is substantial, but smaller than in India or Africa. This is not surprising, since although Vietnam has the GDP per capita (PPP) of India, it is led by conscientious Communists and is much better off in terms of social development and nutrition (e.g. meat consumption per person is equivalent to that of neighboring, much richer countries). This makes its excellent performance in PISA 2012, which I wrote about in my introductory post on this site, much easier to explain. Consequently, it would also be a strike against Ron Unz’s theory of the East Asian Exception (i.e. that East Asian IQs are very resilient to negative socio-economic and environmental factors). There would still be a substantial gap between Vietnamese genotypic and phenotypic IQ; it’s just that the former are so phenomenally high that the latter can’t help but be very high as well, since Vietnam is at least in terms of social provision no longer a truly Third World country.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:28 | 5881898 oddjob
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You forgot porn and narcotics.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 16:02 | 5882762 Max Steel
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Vietnam Military Blasts US for Interfering With Russian Refueling Flights  

Viets gave their response . 

http://sputniknews.com/asia/20150312/1019411679.html

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:35 | 5881926 unplugged
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"war dollar"  

not petrodollar

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:04 | 5882032 Kirk2NCC1701
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Using the "Least effort for maximum gain" principle of all life forms, why would you export anything else, if you've got a virtual monopoly on Federal Reserve Notes, Bullets, Bombs, Banks, Threats, Porn, Drugs and Entertainment (i.e. Currency, Force and Vice)?

Why, just like any successful organized-crime cartel, their biz model is based on Fraudulent Currency, backed by Force and expanding through Complacency, Fear and Vice.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:21 | 5881857 usednabused
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Yep, stick a knife in, twist it around, and then ask if you would do whatever we ask. The Viets have every right in the world to tell this regime to stick it up their fucking asses

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:29 | 5881903 Ignatius
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The Vietnamese certainly are more agreeable when you don't Napalm 'em.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 19:19 | 5883487 mkkby
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The US was the conquered army that left in disgrace.  So I doubt the viets are very intimidated, especially with china and russia anxious to do business with them.

By the way, how much in war reparations should they be asking for?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:22 | 5881858 steelhead23
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Yes, and the U.S. lost that war, resulting in the deaths of thousands who had befriended us.  I would not expect Hanoi to "friend" the U.S. anytime soon, at least not if doing so requires Viet Nam to lose a friend that helped it win that war.  There are consequences of U.S. adventurism.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:25 | 5881883 KnuckleDragger-X
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Vietnam, like the rest of the world, ignores Obozo and John effin' Kerry. There is no fear of America making life tough, except if your an Allie, Then expect a screwing.....

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:40 | 5881948 angel_of_joy
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Maybe we would like a remake of the old movie, you know,  in case they don't want to comply ? It would be soo rich to have our asses kicked a second time by the same country in less than 50 years...

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:08 | 5881780 czarangelus
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I'll bet a lot of Vietnamese still remember the last time we helped maintain their "security," and while they'll happy sell us cheap shit, I don't think it would escape their minds quite so easily as everything sieves out of the mind of an American bureaucrat.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:24 | 5881873 thunderchief
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Boy how do they sell that one to the Vietnamese? 

Let's see...

1..We will clean up all the toxic agent orange that is still defolating and causing cancer and birth defects to parts of your country if you don't. .

2..We promise not to kill a few more  million of your people, and create a monster like the Khmer Rouge in a neighboring country (we are too busy in the middle east doing that right now)...

3..We will print lots of paper and put new military bases in your country, just like the good old days..remember?

4...We will get down and blow everyone in your country...

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:37 | 5881935 earleflorida
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precious... because its the irony of arrogance at its opogee!

 

+ 1000

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:42 | 5881955 rubiconsolutions
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@thunderchief:

 

5...We will clear all left over landmines and UXO (Unexploded Ordnance).

6...We will send you John McCain to work in the jungles looking for the remains of the POW's he knew were left behind but impeded investigations into their dispositions.

7...We will send you Henry Kissinger to...ah hell, do with him what you want.

 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:02 | 5882027 maskone909
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#8 we will import to you, american cultural gems like the kardashians, honey boo boo, and american idol!

#9 starbucks, mcdonalds, and the ability to spy on your own people via smartphones and facebook.

 

ah fuck it this is depressing the shit outta me.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:07 | 5882043 Kirk2NCC1701
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"I'll bet a lot of Vietnamese still remember the last time we helped maintain their 'security'..."

And I'll bet a lot of Americans still remember the last time a bunch of farmers & peasants (when organized and in large enough numbers) handed them their ass.

There's a moral and a lesson in there somewhere.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:10 | 5881793 Snoopy the Economist
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Hopefully vitnamese planes DO NOT start falling out of the sky next...

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:10 | 5881794 pods
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Or what?

 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:41 | 5881952 angel_of_joy
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Or we suck a rock...

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 14:06 | 5882297 Urban Roman
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We'll send Kerry in his swift boat. That'll scare 'em.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:11 | 5881796 maskone909
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i am actually surprised russia has to rely on charlie to re-fuel.  i guess it helps when you have a military base on every country with a population over 200(ussa)

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:09 | 5882050 researchfix
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Land refueling is less dangerous than air refueling. And cheaper.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 15:50 | 5882725 swmnguy
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The story indicates that it's air-to-air refueling of the bombers, from tankers flying out of Cam Ranh Bay.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:11 | 5881800 holgerdanske
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I am sure many Vietnamese harbour warm feelings for Americans and will do their utmost to comply.

Nothing like the smell of Napalm in the morning.

 

 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:12 | 5881802 Kaiser Sousa
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fucking US...

the drunk of the Globe walking around talking shit to everybody and getting punched in the fucking face...

but will never learn...until "kaboom"....

 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:12 | 5881803 donhuangenaro
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lol, yes... or what? invade and lose again?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:18 | 5881842 Philo Beddoe
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Winning wars is bad for business. Draggin on conflicts is another kettle of fish. 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:51 | 5882209 donhuangenaro
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I agree, world peace would mean military industrial complex out of business... we don't want that ;-)

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:13 | 5881809 unplugged
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"or else" ISIS is going to pop up in Vietnam

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:14 | 5881815 sudzee
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What goes around eventually comes around. 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:14 | 5881818 FieldingMellish
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More "Russian aggression"?  

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:37 | 5881934 toys for tits
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Sounds like history rhyming to me.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:49 | 5881986 SoilMyselfRotten
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Yes, Russia causing aggression, unlike the US who are sending tanks and drones for humanitarian reasons

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:14 | 5881822 Silverhog
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We sure got balls. I'm sure they are still filling craters.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:19 | 5881847 Dr. Engali
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Yeah, golf balls. The only balls besides Reggie Love's El Presidente has.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:15 | 5881823 rejected
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The answer to all our problems, according to a retired u.s general on Fox News is to kill as many Russians as we can.

http://sputniknews.com/world/20150312/1019404526.html

Folks,,, they are gonna kill us all!

 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:39 | 5881918 Jorgen
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"The answer to all our problems, according to a retired u.s general on Fox News is to kill as many Russians as we can."

In the meantime, the dark forces of NWO aka "Global Community" have more subtle ways of handling dissenters:

Five High-Ranked Ukrainian Officials Die in String of Mysterious Suicides

Mysterious deaths of high profile individuals haunt Poland

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:09 | 5882051 king leon
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Maybe they were EX-BANKERS.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:15 | 5881826 Bam_Man
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Charlie don't surf....

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:22 | 5881865 maskone909
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good flick

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:16 | 5881834 heisenberg991
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Why play around...blow up the airfield.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:16 | 5882084 czarangelus
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Hasbara, you can at least try. Are you honestly suggesting we unilaterally and out of the blue declare war on Vietnam?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 14:00 | 5882263 Joe A
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Hey, that has been the MO in Bosnia, Serbia, Kosovo, Iraq (twice plus in between), Libya, Sudan. Ok, perhaps without declaration and perhaps not out of the blue but unilaterally yes.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:17 | 5881836 Dr. Engali
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What a bunch of staged Cold War 2.0 theater. The U.S needs a boogie man and Russia fits the bill. Everybody knows you can't trust a damn communist says the comrades of the U.S.S.A.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:19 | 5881845 venturen
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didn't we lose that one?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:11 | 5882055 Kirk2NCC1701
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Define 'lose'.

When we don't like the outcome, we ignore it, re-frame it, counter-attack or redefine it. It's what any good PR Agent or sociopath would do.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:40 | 5882167 TeethVillage88s
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I ran into a military person some time back who said we won Vietnam.

I guess he is referring to captured weapons, acting with courage to face an enemy and sometimes just citizens in huts, and having this feeling or understanding that they dominated in the field.

However, it is clear that the Public Missions, and Public Objectives were not won or not held. Nor did US Foreign Police win an overall Mission to Defeat Communism or End Communism.

It is like the Norman Schwartzkopf speech about Saddam Hussein. Only the Vietnamese Communists, China, and Russia won the Strategy and overall Missions.

Only to be Reversed by the USA when Russia Invade Afghanistan.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:19 | 5881851 aliki
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maybe we can invade them next ... again

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:23 | 5881867 Mike Honcho
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Vietnam "Urges" US to STFU.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:25 | 5881880 BullyBearish
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I'm sure they'll comply...after all, they owe us one

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:25 | 5881882 I woke up
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Some good shrimps in those waters

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:25 | 5881886 IndianaJohn
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I wonder if the Vietnamese have forgotten that we slaughtered their country 50 years ago.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:43 | 5881963 Vooter
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We did? Why aren't we running Vietnam, then?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:04 | 5882031 813kml
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Ancient history, the Iraqis and Afghans don't seem to be holding a grudge.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:56 | 5882243 Joe A
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Wouldn't be too sure about that.

Ancient history? America every year crying over 9/11 but Iraq, Afghanistan and Vietnam should 'just let it go' that they were flattened and butchered?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 14:15 | 5882331 rejected
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You forgot Libya, america's shiniest example of sharing our love and democracy

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 14:22 | 5882364 Joe A
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Winning or losing wars doesn't seem to matter. As long as there are wars. It is the new peace. And people everywhere including American service men and women (and office workers) are the canon fodder.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:28 | 5881894 Fukushima Fricassee
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Obama is an idiot flamer and everyone but the US gemedats know it.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:29 | 5881895 Lea
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Or else, what?

Some cheek, going to tell the Vietnamese what they can or cannot do.

 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:31 | 5881910 Caveman93
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Hope Hanoi flips us the bird.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:38 | 5881936 Sages wife
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"Fuckin' watch out! Don't make us send Brando and Sheen back over there, you slanty-eyed pointy-heads!" - John Kerry / SS

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:39 | 5881941 roadhazard
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Drafted friends of mine died in Nam and now we support them... what a waste. 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:41 | 5881956 Vooter
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"Or else we'll come over there and NOT kick your asses again!"

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:13 | 5882068 Grimaldus
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Progressive brainwash yourself much?

North Vietnam was toast in 1972. They got bombed the f**k out and were ready to surrender. Their VietCong had been crushed, totally wiped-ass out as a fighting force and the NVA could not win a stand up fight against the Americans. Their butts were kicked hard.

Then came along progressive assclowns like Walter Kronkunt who were duped by NV propaganda just like you are duped by progressive criminal history re-write. Just like Hillary was duped into coming to the aid of Al Qaeda in Benghazi. Only progressives are that stupid.

I would not have supported the progressive led intervention in Vietnam but the facts are the facts.

South Vietnam fell only to a regular North Vietnamese Army invasion after the Americans had left and after progressive criminals in Congress broke the treaty to resupply South Vietnam. Congress threw South Vietnam under the bus. A million + South Vietnamese were killed after the North Vietnamese took over.

Bloody progressive criminals got America involved with that war and they made sure that maximum rivers of blood flowed during and afterward.

How "convenient" that the bloody progressive criminals brainwash their drones with fantasy history. Saves them the blame for all the murder they committed.

Grimaldus

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 14:10 | 5882307 rejected
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Duplicate Post... That old "connection reset" thing.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 14:09 | 5882308 rejected
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Lets see,,, who lied to start that war again?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 14:57 | 5882509 Grimaldus
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Wasn't it progressive assclown "no niggers" LBJ?

I'll bet super progressive death criminal George "KIll them All" Soros had a hand in it. Even today he is the hero of the neo-stalinist criminal progressives. See here how he supplied the money to neo-marxists" groups intent on inflicting progressive ass-raping tyranny here in the USA.

"FCC Cites Soros-Funded, Neo-Marxist-Founded Group 46 TIMES In New Regs"

http://dailycaller.com/2015/03/12/fcc-cites-soros-funded-neo-marxist-fou...

Ha Ha I love watching the reaction of progressives when they finally figure out "Gee--- the stupid, it burns"

Sorry to sh*t on your progressive parade, assclowns. NOT.

Grimaldus

 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 20:43 | 5883734 flapdoodle
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If they were truly on the ropes, that makes their victory that much sweeter and the defeat of the warpigs that much more bitter.

Those who live by the lie die by the lie.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:42 | 5881960 basho
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what goes around comes around you arrogant a**holes

you laid waste to a country to support your MIC

and now you want them to respect you. FU

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:49 | 5881985 Deepskyy
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All I know is there's no peak in that whole shitty country.                    That and Col. Kilgore will not be pleased if we have to go back there.  "Some day this war is going to end..." except it didn't.  Just moved to another area with another boogeyman.

 

 

 

 

 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:51 | 5881989 Squid Viscous
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58,000 skeletons spinning in their graves, thanks to LBJ and McNamara

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:51 | 5881991 WTFUD
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I never would've believed that Nam was an ally of Vichy DC if i hadn't read it in the above article. Keep your friends close and your enemies even closer, haha.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:55 | 5882002 The Joker
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Dear US State Department,

You can't control the entire globe.  I know you think you can but you can't.  Do us all a favor and give it up already.  I don't get embarrassed easily but when every other country in the world has the moral high ground you are in a bad position.  You don't have the hill and you can't take the hill.  Retreat.

Thank you.

Sincerely,

The Joker

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 12:55 | 5882007 king leon
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You have to give the Americans full marks for front. They bomb the shit out of Vietnam for years, then hightail it out-a there, throw them a few school desks,bandages,syringes and expect everything to be fine.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:01 | 5882025 SmittyinLA
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Viet are nationalist and Capitalist, a fact America never learned, the Chinese on the other hand are an economic threat to all their neighbors and trading partners, China is bigger and broker than America and even more politically corrupt. 

All of China's neighbors are gonna get a lot closer to Capitalist Russia, for the fuel, resources and protection-from the Chinese. 

In a world of broke debtor nations you want to be allied with a solvent nuclear armed one. 

Debt rollover will come with disarment.

 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:05 | 5882036 Vinividivinci
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This is fucked up...I cant believe how close the base in question is to China!
This to me is just more evidence that the US gubbament is suicidal. Poking the Bear and The Dragon...something's gonna have to give (see WW3) sooner rather than later...
Not to mention, the fucking gall the USSA has in dictating squat to the Vietnamese.
Like someone else commented here earlier about "keeping your enemies even closer"...

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:14 | 5882070 NoTTD
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Have we tried making war on these Viet guys?  That might work.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:14 | 5882076 f16hoser
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"Sorry we bombed your country for No Fucking Reason but could you guy's help us out please???

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:16 | 5882081 Max Steel
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mc cunt survived sadly 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:19 | 5882097 thunderchief
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I a sure the USA would love Cam Ranh Bay back.  It's a deep water port built by the USA.  Besides it's nostalgic value, it would be great for Obama's "Pivot to Asia"...

Like all military bases, shit hot golf courses too...

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 14:04 | 5882286 Lostinfortwalton
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Not to mention doubleplus good beaches!

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:22 | 5882104 mastersnark
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We send over 9 million Americans into that meat grinder, half a million end up wounded, almost 60k didn't come back alive, and almost 2,000 were abandoned all to stop the exact regime that we are currently fawning over? Yeah, I'm confident I'd vote "not guilty" if any Vietnam vet used this article as exhibit 1 at his trial for blowing up/shooting up any US govt installation at this point...

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:50 | 5882193 Joe A
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How about the 2 to 4 million Vietnamese that died during that war? What about Agent Orange that caused thousands of deaths and birth defects among the Vietnamese people? What about the unexploded ordinance that still kills and maims people in Vietnam?

They might be communists over there but Vietnam has no reason to trust America.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 14:25 | 5882383 TheFourthStooge-ing
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.

They might be communists over there but Vietnam has no reason to trust America.

Nobody does, especially US 'allies'.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 14:56 | 5882502 Joe A
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Somebody told me the other day that the US has no allies, just 'vassals'. A bit like Rome in the old days.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:59 | 5882260 vincenze
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The US army fought against socialism in Vietnam.

Now, Vietnam turns towards capitalism and enjoys improving economy. At the same time, the USA moves towards socialism.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:33 | 5882143 Oldrepublic
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 Russia and Cam Ranh Bay have a long history, it was used in 1905 as a staging  area  for  the  40  ships making up  the Imperial Russian fleet en route to the  Battle of Tsushima , one of  the  pivotal  naval battles in world history during the Russo-Japanese War

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:34 | 5882149 TeethVillage88s
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Notice to Vietnam: We are Mensches. We have Chutzpah.

We will out Jew the Russians, but in a good way. We negotiate out of strength, courage, reason, and we can back up everything we say. Can the Russians say the same?

We don't think so.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:41 | 5882168 besnook
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the marx brothers were the harbinger of today's events. this is black comedy. does the usa hear vietnam saying, "me love you long time"?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:50 | 5882192 Lostinfortwalton
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These the same Russkies that warned us TWICE before the Boston bombing?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:50 | 5882198 falconflight
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ZH 'news' is beginning to read a lot like YahooOoze stories.  Since when has any part of VN, post 1975, been a US "ally?"  Oh, the Russians have had use of said port since the day after the US fled Saigon.  Effing idiot author.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:53 | 5882226 DearLeaderMaobama
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It's so amusing reading all the USA haters comments on here.  US gov't has clearly lost it's way in the last few decades but you idiots really think a world run by China or Russia is going to be any better?  Always fun to hate the guy at the top but the world will miss us when we are gone.  

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:58 | 5882244 rejected
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Why is hating an obvioulsy out of control tyrannical government, "hating america"??

And what's amusing is someone thinks the usa runs the world... talk about!

 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 14:07 | 5882300 Mike Masr
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Ever think of a world not run by only one country. Where blocks of countries exist and no single powerful country can interfere in the internal affairs of another country?

Where one powerful nation is not spending every waking minute trying to topple governments in violent regime changes and wastefully spending its tax dollars meddling where it doesn't belong?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 14:31 | 5882414 TheFourthStooge-ing
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A world run by nobody sounds good to me.

The problems arise when someone thinks they should run things for everyone else.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 20:50 | 5883742 flapdoodle
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The more multipolar the world, the more honestly the power centers have to be in their dealings with others lest the other centers gang up and beat the shit out of the cheater.

Extreme politeness in the old West was mandatory when everyone was carrying a gun...

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 14:36 | 5882429 Lea
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" Always fun to hate the guy at the top but the world will miss us when we are gone."

No.

 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 15:19 | 5882603 Volkodav
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I don't think that is the right question

in fact it is some dumb

Russia has not plans to run the world

I doubt China either

 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 13:57 | 5882249 Oswald did it
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We warned some folks

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 14:03 | 5882279 Joe A
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Or else they gonna send John McCain again. But this time he is more dangerous.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 14:03 | 5882283 Mike Masr
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What frightened the USS Donald Cook so much in the Black Sea?

 

http://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html

 

 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 14:30 | 5882354 Dathedr
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Citing Rothschild's Reuters and BBC ffs?! That's like quating a whore on matters of morality, with difference being that probably even a whore has more morals and credibility than Rothchilds' newsletters! Just look at this fantasy rich parts: "... that frequently pits China and Russia on one side and the United States, Japan and much of Southeast Asia on the other." Only country that is on Western side there is Philippines, but somehow Philippines got to be "majority of Southestern Asia." lol Or look at the title itself -- "bombers refueling." That's outright lie there. It's not bombers we are talking here but refueling planes. It's utterly stupid to expect anything other than lies, deceits and propaganda from corporate Western media! Everyone with a few working brain cells knows that! And here is what Vietnamese have said themselves about the matter in the end:

 

"Washington's demand that Vietnam [stops allowing refueling planes to land] can be seen as nothing else but interference in the internal affairs of Vietnam, a sovereign state which determines its own policies for cooperating with its friends and partners. Russia is Vietnam's strategic partner, we are developing our cooperation in the military and technical sphere, one of the elements of which is providing the Cam Ranh airbase for the landing of Russian refueling planes."

 

http://sputniknews.com/asia/20150312/1019411679.html

Fri, 03/13/2015 - 04:21 | 5884377 Parrotile
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What makes this situation that more choice is that the US (specifically the USN) had such grand plans for the "redevelopment" of the military port facilities in Sevastopol, once Ms Nuland had arranged the "Regime Change" in the US's favour.

Not only has that grand plan been lost forever, but now we hear that a former US base (built via the US taxpayer) is being used to support Russian operations!

That alone must really rile the Neocons / War Hawks, hence the increase in "anti-Russian" vitriol almost everywhere!

From a casual observer's viewpoint, it seems Russia is "winning the war" at this stage, without firing a single shot. If the USA intends to retain any shred of "reputation", there will have to be a serious improvement in their standard of gamesmanship! :-)

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 14:50 | 5882476 Motasaurus
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More proof that the US has no friends or enemies, merely people it is convenient to work with, and people it is not. Vietnam is a fool if they side with Washington. 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 15:05 | 5882547 Grimaldus
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Even the Viet can see how stupid the progressives are that are in charge in the USA.

Grimaldus

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 15:35 | 5882662 AynRandFan
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Wouldn't take much for Kerry to negotiate another "gentleman's agreement" with the Vietnamese, giving them more money in exchange for urging the Soviets to stop using the base as a staging point for destroying America.  I mean, it's "not legal", and "not bindig" but when you're talking about national security there's no reason for a treaty, right?

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 15:31 | 5882654 gcjohns1971
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Take the US out of the equasion.

Is it really a suprise that someone would prefer that a base they built not be used to refuel NUCLEAR BOMBERS while making practice runs at them????

Really?

Does anyone with a sense of reality think that THEIR government would say, "Sure! Go ahead and use that base we built to fuel bombers practicing to kill us!  We'll keep trading with you just the same....Errr...well until they NUKE US, of course... Then we will regretably be unable to trade further."

A lot of people here on ZH live in a reality where they expect others to react differently than they themselves would.

Don't believe me?

Go take a search through the internet to discover who built Bahgram Airfield and which types of aircraft they have asked the Afghans not to allow US to land there.

Yes.  I know.  Demands are bad only from the West.  Everyone else farts perfume and wears angels' robes...that is... if you are nuttier than a fruit salad.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 16:02 | 5882753 Lostinfortwalton
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Don't trade with countries that trade with other countries? I seem to remember being in Gander, Newfoundland, in the 70s' seeing a lot of Russian aircraft being refueled for flights onward to Cuba. Guess the Canadians didn't get the memo? Who do we hate this week and who are our allies this week? Listening to Kerry will make you doubt your sanity.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 18:47 | 5883402 bid the soldier...
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Is it really a suprise that someone would prefer that a base they built not be used to refuel NUCLEAR BOMBERS while making practice runs at them????

But the US is hardly any old somebody.  They built the base to kill the Vietnamese people.  To drop bombs on them (not nuclear, but the suggestion reached Johnson and Nixon).  And drop napalm on citizens hiding in the  trees.  Agent orange, too.  

Cam Ranh Bay is the spoils of war and the victor decides what to do with it.


No, the US isn't just 'someone'.

Hotel California   Eagles

'We are all just prisoners here, of our own device

Checkin' out ain't that easy, gcjohns

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 16:04 | 5882774 Atticus Finch
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Hilarious! and just which country built Cam Rahn Bay? Cam Rahn Bay built by the US so that eventually Russian nuclear bombers could refuel there. If it weren't tragic, it would be absolutely hilarious.

When was US foreign policy not completely fucked up? Oh, wait Kennedy wanted to pull out of Viet Nam. Oh yeah, those who knew better decided to assassinate him.

They sure made things better.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 16:06 | 5882788 TheSkipper1967
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I wanted to see exotic Vietnam... the crown jewel of Southeast Asia. I wanted to meet interesting and stimulating people of an ancient culture... and kill them. I wanted to be the first kid on my block to get a confirmed kill!

Well, baby, me so horny. Me so HORNY. Me love you long time. You party?

No boom boom soul brother, to beaucoup, to beaucoup

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 16:08 | 5882793 Icelandicsaga.....
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The Vietnamese fear the Chinese the most .. there is a lot of racial hatred by the Chinese of Vietnamese ... having been ni Vietnam a lot the last couple of years .. I do not sense hatred of America or Americans .. younger people simply do not remember and mot of Nam is young . older people . scars are still there .. for those we left behind who ended up in camps or those we fought as 'charlie' .. South VIetnames still harbor a kind of dislike of North Vietname whom they see as snotty or beligerent .. my guess is the country will go with anyone who will give them protection aginst any Chinese incursion .. the last time Vietnam had to take on China was in 79 .. and the VIetnamese kicked Chinese butt. These older soldier now are long in the tooth ..but the younger people harbor ill will towards China more than they do to US .. let alone Russia .

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 19:18 | 5883486 Razor_Edge
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I travelled throught Vietnam with my brothers a couple of years ago. We hired a car, driver and guide to take us on a tour of Saigon, Cu Chi and other parts nearby. Our guide, who told us his nickname was Tiger, (as in Tiger Woods -yeah, he did look something like Woods) said that all the Government jobs go to former Viet Cong and NVA, and the childen of ARVN are discriminated against. They haven't forgotten.

We took cyclo tours in Hanoi, and the guys riding the bikes were former ARVN, doing the shit jobs. It's clear that they haven't forgotten, and as an Irishman, I can understand that. It took many decades for the legacy of our Civil War to dissipate, and arguably there are still some echoes working their way through the sytem. The losing side in our Civil War went on to be the most successful political party in the country, at least until the global financial crisis, and during its many periods in office, gave out jobs to their own.

We visited a museum in Saigon about the "Vietnam War", except it wasn't called the Vietnam War museum, it was called the American War Crimes Museum. The Vietnames are very friendly, but they haven't forgotten their history.

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 18:16 | 5883280 bid the soldier...
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Strange that the US, who left Vietnam in disgrace 40 years ago, would suddenly start making overtures to a new ally and doling out recently printed banknotes around the same time the US was provoking Russia into Ukrainian hostilities or the annexation Crimea, whichever was more valuable.

During the American War (what the Vietnamese call the war) while Hanoi was fighting Washington, here's what Moscow was doing for Hanoi:

Soviet ships in the South China Sea gave vital early warnings to Viet Congforces in South Vietnam. The Soviet intelligence ships would pick up AmericanB-52bombers flying fromOkinawaandGuam. Their airspeed and direction would be noted and then relayed toCOSVNheadquarters. COSVN using airspeed and direction would calculate the bombing target and tell any assets to move "perpendicularly to the attack trajectory." These advance warning gave them time to move out of the way of the bombers, and, while the bombing runs caused extensive damage, because of the early warnings from 1968 to 1970 they did not kill a single military or civilian leader in the headquarters complexes.[273]

The Soviet Union supplied North Vietnam with medical supplies, arms, tanks, planes, helicopters, artillery, anti-aircraft missiles and other military equipment. Soviet crews fired Soviet-madesurface-to-air missilesat U.S.F-4 Phantoms, which were shot down over Thanh Hóa in 1965. Over a dozen Soviet citizens lost their lives in this conflict. Following the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, Russian officials acknowledged that the Soviet Union had stationed up to 3,000 troops in Vietnam during the war.[274]

Some Russian sources give more specific numbers: Between 1953 and 1991, the hardware donated by the Soviet Union included 2,000 tanks, 1,700APCs, 7,000 artillery guns, over 5,000 anti-aircraft guns, 158 surface-to-air missile launchers, 120 helicopters. During the war, the Soviets sent North Vietnam annual arms shipments worth $450 million.[275][276]From July 1965 to the end of 1974, fighting in Vietnam was observed by some 6,500 officers and generals, as well as more than 4,500 soldiers and sergeants of the Soviet Armed Forces. In addition, Soviet military schools and academies began training Vietnamese soldiers – in all more than 10,000 military personnel.[277]

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Of Vietnam's top ten allies, what number do you think the US is? 

On 30 April 1975, NVA troops entered the city of Saigon

I wonder if Kerry will be going to the 40th Anniversary Party?  A real good Ally would. 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 21:11 | 5883789 flapdoodle
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Notice that US has cozied up to Cuba likely for the exact same reason (Cuba is probably quite willing to help the Russian Navy and AF, although they would probably do it as discretely as possible).

And of course the US is trying to make peace with Iran, trying to drive a wedge between Russia and another important ally. I cannot believe the Iranis will fall for it...

IMHO, Vietnam, Cuba, and Iran will ultimately read the situation and conclude that switching over to the "US side" so to speak is throwing in with the losers and a very bad bet. My guess is that all three will play "rope a dope" with the US, "seem" to turn to the US, but not where it counts.

Icelands decision to not proceed with EU membership to me says it all. The Hegemon and its lackeys in the EU and Japan are not very healthy to put it mildly, and much more exposed then the Russians and Chinese (whose health may not be the best either, but they are less sick than the Monster).

 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 22:52 | 5884083 bid the soldier...
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Must disagree about Iran.   I wouldn't say that the US is trying to make peace with Iran.  The US has presented Iran with some non-negotible  demands about Iran's nuclear program, which Iran will certainly reject.

 But the talks continue giving both sides time to prepare for the eventual resolution.

Meanwhile Russia has offered  -  and no doubt delivered  - its Antey-2500 to Iran.  It's probably part of the negotiations now.  Another US ultimatum about Iran's weaponry.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/feb/23/russia-offers-sell-anti-air...

I loath the guardian.  They don't even have a photo of an S-400 or an Antey-2500.  What a pathetic rag. 

Thu, 03/12/2015 - 18:53 | 5883427 Treason Season
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Just for the record and despite the instensity some feel towards the US govt's role against Vietnam, Ho Chi Minh was an Illuminati piece of excrement along with the Vietnamese Communist Party and anyone there will tell you so unless you are an overfed pig party member and anonymously of course.

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