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US Attacks "Closest Ally" UK For "Constant Accommodation" With China
On the heels of a diplomatic spat between Hanoi and Washington regarding Russia’s use of a former US air base in Vietnam to refuel nuclear-capable bombers on the way to conducting “provocative” runs in the Pacific, we get yet another, larger, sign that it may indeed be the US that’s isolated and not (as Western media would have you believe) the Kremlin. The UK (Washington’s “special” friend) has announced it’s joining the Asian Infrastructure Investment Bank, which is essentially China’s answer to the Asian Development Bank over which Beijing feels the US has undue influence.
The bank, which will fund infrastructure projects across the region and may indeed be part and parcel of China’s implicit attempt to establish a Sino-Monroe Doctrine, represents “an unrivaled opportunity for the UK and Asia to invest and grow together,” according to Britain’s George Osborne. Unsurprisingly, the US doesn’t see it that way and although Washington was generously willing to concede that this was the UK’s decision to make for itself, US officials are clearly perturbed that Britain didn’t ask for permission:
A spokesman for the National Security Council says the US will allow the UK to make its own decisions...
“This is the U.K.’s sovereign decision.”
...but the next time David Cameron thinks about appeasing a country that is a possible threat to US hegemony, he really needs to ask first...
“[The decision was made with] virtually no consultation with the US.”
“We are wary about a trend toward constant accommodation of China, which is not the best way to engage a rising power.” — From FT, quoting a senior US Official
Washington was also quick to make clear just what the US’s “expectations” are going forward now that London has made a misguided decision to support an effort to improve infrastructure in Asia:
“We hope and expect that the U.K. will use its voice to push for the adoption of high standards.”
Because this really is all about standards, as the US made clear last year when Washington may or may not have operated behind the scenes to discourage Australia, South Korea, and Japan from joining the bank.
From NY Times:
Washington has expressed reservations about the new institution, on the grounds that it would not meet environmental standards, procurement requirements and other safeguards adopted by the World Bank, the International Monetary Fund and the Asian Development Bank for their lending projects.
But fundamentally, Washington views the Chinese venture as a deliberate challenge to those postwar institutions, which are led by the United States and, to a lesser extent, Japan, and the Obama administration has put pressure on allies not to participate…
South Korea and Australia, both of which count China as their largest trading partner, have seriously considered membership but have held back, largely because of forceful warnings from Washington, including a specific appeal to Australia by President Obama.
But as one official from the rival Asian Development Bank told The Times: “This horse is out of the barn.”
And that means in short order Australia and South Korea will likely be on board and at that point, the stigma the US has created around membership will have completely disappeared (if it hasn’t already), opening the door for other US “allies” to join despite the bank’s alleged “low” standards.
So again we ask: “Who’s really isolated?”
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The UK owned Hong Kong and was the main opium kingpin in the day, backed by the Royal Navy.
How dare the USA tell them how to do business with the Chinese..
The initial US "war on drugs" (read: take over) began by outlawing opium as a lever to weaken the UK in the East.
Having lived in the US for a number of years and thoroughly enjoyed it, it's the American citizen I feel sorry for, after a succesion of totally inept or greedy Presidents Dictators in the last decade
WAIT...
I thought our BFF was Israel? I'm confused.
US foreign policy appears to me to resemble a toddler having a temper tantrum while playing Whac A Mole.
Miffed
Note: BFFs stand up for each other.
Please... The UK is the master of changing horses. You have to when you're a land of virtually no valuable resources, no good food, drink warm beer, yet still want to be the financial capital of the world. Oh, and most of your women have teeth that looked like they came from the backwoods of Louisiana.
The last decade? I think you're off by more than a few decades. I was born in 1955, so I can't really say, at least from first hand experience, what presidents before then were really all about. There are history books, but those get so tainted by the author's bias that they aren't necessarily reliable. So, in order from Kennedy on:
Kennedy - Not in office long enough to really have a legacy. I did like his committment to the space program
Johnson - Killed a lot of good people, both here and abroad. Great Society legislation has turned out terrible.
Nixon - Decent foreign policy with Russia and China, disaster at everything else.
Ford - Joke of a caretaker president
Carter - Enough said
Reagan - "Deficits don't matter". Enough said.
Bush Sr - Handled the S&L scandal decently as at least some banksters went to jail; bad foreign and domestic policy
Clinton - Pretty much set the stage for the 2008 collapse by encouraging homeownership for people that couldn't afford it; terrible at foreign policy; terrible choice in women too.
Bush Jr - Enough said; at the time he left office, he was a serious challenger to Carter for worst ever; on a side note, why Henry Paulson isn't in jail for his outright lies and conflicts of interest in 2008 is beyond me.
Obama - Bush on steroids in terms of idiocy in foreign policy; led by the nose on domestic policy; has successfully divided the country on many issues related to social policy; has easily beaten out Bush and Carter for worst ever
So, ukspreads, when you say the last decade, I think you must have meant at least the last half century and just mistyped.
Nixxon did NOTHNG good. "Nixxon went to China", fuck that, if he'd have left them alone they would still be the worlds rice bowl and America would still have our factories, decent wages and a middle class. Plus he took America off the gold standard. Nixxon was the begining of the end of America.
"Nixxon went to China"
Yeah but under who's orders, who went there first? (clue begins with K ends with issinger)
https://www.corbettreport.com/china-and-the-new-world-order-video/
Perhaps just read the Documentation titles to get the gist
Maybe this is a feature of government, not a bug. It's probably working as intended, but people aren't supposed to notice or care.
There is a vast divide in attitude towards authority between Americans and Brits (and Europeans) that most people gloss over. Most Brit and Eurozone peasants accept the need for top down command and control types of systems and most of the political talk is about achieving a functional level of corruption. American peasants, despite the last few years, have a deep distrust of authority across the board if they are being honest with themselves. This is something the left-right falsehood has been used to blur. Only recently have we been presented with the propaganda notion that the average reasonable American believes that having an overlord is a requirement of life. But this Eurozone nonsense would never fly in the States- it is barely afloat over there in Europe.
Rather than infecting America with aristocracy, America has infected Europe with freedom fever, even if it isn't quite apparent yet. The War for Independence is part of a larger trend away from authoritarianism that has been ongoing for centuries, thanks to technology and the conquering of scarcity. The oligarchs want to create the perception that they are needed because of terrible privation (which they caused), but people aren't being fooled this time.
The American oligarchy has overreached, I think. They were tolerated as long as they stayed hidden. As soon as the narcissists of the latest generation of oligarchs came out of the woodwork, the anger and resentment of the lower classes started rising, It's amazing that the Baby Boomer Neo Cons are having a second round after Iraq and Afghanistan. I don't think the voters who rotated into the Republican camp thought that would happen.
When Americans realize that we are no longer serfs and have been reduced to peasants, there is going to be hell to pay.
When Americans realize that we are no longer serfs and have been reduced to peasants, there is going to be hell to pay.
it is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing.
You let Slick Willie off too easy. He signed NAFTA, WTO for China, and initiated NATO's march eastward. He is a main reason we're in the mess we're now in.
I think he also repealed Glass-Steagel.
Yeah, Clinton's definitely near the top of the list of shitty presidents in my shit-o-meter. I just don't know if he rises to the evilness level of Bush and Obama or the incompetence level of Carter, however. Those three set pretty lofty standards of shitiness.
Double posts happen all the time, if no one answered you, you can go in and hit edit, delete, and leave a period or hit the space bar and close it. Or post something else in your box. It is the source of a lot of humor around here. You will see triples and worse. Good luck.
Thank you MsCreant, or is that Ms (Miss) Creant?
Somehow the twin of my post has disappeared - was that you?
Thanks for the sympathy. We do need it, although I think most don't deserve it. I only disagree with the charge that these monsters are inept. They are not. They are doing the bidding of the masters who bought them. As far as We The People are concerned, they're just telling us how it is, how it will be, which criminal war or boondoggle we must accept. They are satanic criminals, who violate the Constitution every waking moment, but they are doing the job their masters pay them to do as well as they can.
Having lived in the US for a number of years and thoroughly enjoyed it, it's the American citizen I feel sorry for, after a succesion of totally inept or greedy Presidents Dictators in the last decade
Apologies - I don't know why this comment printed twice
Those US officals will quickly realize that the Crown still runs the show and they will quickly silence the decent. The slave does not question the master.
Now that is seriously funny.
True. But after the Chinese cleaned house, Britian's choices where leave or get kicked out.
They chose to leave.
I'm making over $7k a month working part time. I kept hearing other people tell me how much money they can make online so I decided to look into it. Well, it was all true and has totally changed my life. This is what I do... www.globe-report.com
cue the annoucement that due to world events Obama has declared a third term as President for Life
If that were to happen and I don't think it will. The world as we know it would be drastically different. In the end the police and Military are people too with families and they are not mostly democrats. The Military rank and file are the most awake of any group.
Military rank and file will do whatever the 'superiors' tell them to do....which would be to 'Fall in line, soldier!'
Awake? Sure... like a coma patient is 'awake'.
uhh this already happened during the election of 1940
Declare War (or at least "an immediate threat to the USA") and "temporarily" suspend the normal electoral processes (force majeure).
That'll certainly be worth a few more years at least (by which time "normal democratic process" may well be a distant memory for whoever's left alive).
Lets just piss the whole world off and get it over with...oh wait....
pot - kettle
Just hedging their bets.
Even Cameroon can see the writing on the wall, and its in Chinese.
No. The rats are leaving the sinking ship.
Winston, I am conflicted.
I get it that USA is on it's way out because of our fucktardery and general abuse of the $ and military.
I get it that China has had a lot of economic activity.
But they have been following the same damn Ponzi handbook we have. Plus they are willing to foul their own nest something awful to get the gains they have, build entire unneeded cities, abuse their workers with two dollar a week pay, etc.
Why is China better? Why will folks jump on board that ship?
Probably because tbey're seen as the next winning team, and have something to sell the world besides lies, debt and military oppression. I'm not promoting BTW, just offering a possible explanation.
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Just a guess, but I think it might have something to do with China's policy of non-intervention in the internal affairs of other countries.
The US has a compulsive obsession with I-know-what's-best-for-you-so-you-better-do-what-I-say-or-the-bombs-will-fallism.
Cuz he who has the gold makes the rules.
Forward looking for decades instead of quarters beaten by a penny.
Found this informative...so dirty even Redshields wouldn't touch the GLD. Frank Venerosa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Kh9FDk6l80
China is the next come up so you gotta cozy up and cling to the coattails of newest rising star. Africa is slated afterwards.
The US, like your average everyday working girl has had her time of fame and popularity but as with age, unless she gained wisdom and knowledge, when her looks go so do her adoring fans and regular customers.
America is officialy the second prettiest girl at the dance. And she doesn't like it one bit from the rhetoric coming from DC.
...Why is China better? Why will folks jump on board that ship?
Because in China, the power is still controlled by politicians (aka the Party), as well as the Central Bank. The bankers have much less influence than in US, and there is no "independent" CB. As a result, they can declare a debt holiday anytime they choose to, cancel as much debt as they feel like, and start from scratch. They can also tell their banksters to fuck-off, even shoot a couple of the most troublesome. This is how a sovereign country used to be run, not so long ago...
Now, compare that with US !
MsCreant this is an intresting read about China.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/CHIN-01-230215.html
because Chinese wages are the world standard for every unskilled worker. ie in USA, europe, asia and sth america. and dont think factories that will all be robots. so you better learn to fix robots.
They are still on the upward part of the curve, the US has been on the downward side of the curve since the seventies. Just as the world abandoned the British when their empire faded out and the US took over, now it is time for the US to fade out.
I am not so sure about that they are about to enter a world of finacial hurt and thier demographics for the country suck. India I believe is the next big power house on the rise. That is where I am placing my chips after the "Great Reset".
Yes, they have an implosion coming. That's when they just pull the plug on their currency "peg" and go to a gold-backed currency. There will be a period of contraction and pain, but that's what happens when you take your medicine. They'll come out way ahead in the end, along with their close allies of the other BRICS and all the other countries that will end up jumping ship.
My point is... don't rule out China...
Well at least one of the worst losers knows when it's time to take a hard look in the mirror and part company with THE worst "loser" taking it down the toilet?...
Flush twice Prime Minister Cameron... I's a long way to the Thames and even longer to the Potomac if you keep fooling yourself as you have been for far too long!
Your sun set 80 years ago and you've been a fucking loser ever since just like your cousin is now!!!
somebody elses bitch now, bitchez!
“We are wary about a trend toward constant accommodation of China, which is not the best way to engage a rising power.” — From FT, quoting a senior US Official
UK, you've been kissing our ass for 200 years...are you saying we are no longer rising?
every man for him self on a sinking ship. best friend is the guy with the life raft and if that's China it's ta, ta to old acquaintances. Remember they start to feed on themselves at some point.
Question: who do we blame for china for being a rising power??
Answer: it is a long list (but start with nixon/kissinger and work your way forward)
It goes further back than that. You have to look at who funded the Communist because that is what enabled them to take out the Boxers in the Boxer rebellion. I believe you will find the same powers that enslaved the country through opium at the helm.
Feinstein would let Jihad John stay at her house if he gave her 50 cents. Democrats would open the borders to MS13 and Drug Cartels to try and get a vote. Lindsey Graham would threaten to use the US military to take over the US. I blame it on the sun. There is something going on with the sun and it is making people crazy.
you can't sell 50 Cent....that would be slavery
"exceptional.....!"
How come ZH doesn't cover Myanmar bombing of China today killing 4 civilians?? Shit might be about to get nasty. China had warned Myanmar to stop their crap... Now this...
usa can't fight two wars with China and Russia in the same time, so 0 news about China.
Clearly, the best way to engage a rising power is to have them buy trillions of dollars of your own debt. Then you've really got them by the balls.
The US sounds just like a teenage girl who's friends have all decided to go to someone else's party.
Look at my comment below. We KNOW don't we?!? Great minds and all.
so that is what is wrong with the usa. it acts like a bunch of girls?
Obama does...he acts like a bunch of them.
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Whaddaya expect? He's part of the same clique as Prissy McCain and Lily Graham.
Unless you can name a stateman, this is all we're left with. That and a bunch of old vaginas and loads of sexual ambiguity.
Sounds like a jealous girlfriend or girls on the playground.
If we offered something great and had high integrity, no one would be looking for alternatives.
Reality has it that redundant systems work better than centralized monopolies.
USA needs to get over itself. The rest of the world is getting over us. The more coercion we engage in, the fewer allies we have left.
So embarrassing to be us.
Ha Ha...too funny!
the old trollop is being replaced by the new trollop.
be careful with the new trollop. she will make you her trollop. the chinese are funny that way.
Gotta love the nerve of this.
Let's see if somebody goes missing.
I will allow you to post that comment.
If nothing else, the US is still the world leader in hubris.
and the clear leader in hypocrisy
If these remarks were directed towards the Russians, there would most likely be an official retort from them making that clear.
Do other countries say shit back to the US "Boss of the World"? Most don't say a word, some do, but don't have a strong enough military to even matter.
That's why Putin is popular to some, me included, not because of gayness or any other dumb reason people cook up.
Earth to Obozo...they invited the U.S. too!
Glass-Steagall
In Atlas Shrugged, the collectivist factions eventually go after and devour each other. When "pull" one day works against you.
The good news is, if this snake keeps swollowing himself, he should eventually dissapear.
Is that kinda like a man sucking his own penis? Does he just, disappear after a while?
Dunno about disappearing, but I'm sure that man spends a lot of quality time by himself.
The news is the rest of the world does not consider the US exceptional anymore.
That's not true, I've heard them say exceptionally stupid, exceptionally obnoxious, exceptionally broke just to name a few.
"Low standards" = not willing to strangle your economy using the standards that came out of Al Gore's ass.
I though the "closest ally" was the one that writes backward.
Payback is a bitch. Remember when the U.S. gov't froze out non-American companies from oil contracts after "Mission Accomplished?" The anger and anguish of the British gov't and British private enterprise when that happened was front page news.
Britain has every right to pursue national interests. Perhaps they might do that with more intelligence than the American government.
Nice of the US to 'allow us' to make our own decisions!
Fuck You.
Oh, George Osborne and David Cameron are still fuckin' tools.
I would like to apologize for these arrogant fucks. It's so embarassing.
Then again, if I take this job on with you, I will spend the rest of my life apologizing to the planet...
Sanctions don't work. We'd better bomb em.
The sneaky Brit leadership has always sniffed out Imperialism wherever it is after their fall. They are right in there on coat tails until they see a way to wheedle into more power. Empire is part of their DNA.
They are not called"Perfidious Albion" for nothing you know. P.S. I am an Englishman and it's what the English elite do exceptionally well.
Consider; when your " best friend " iinsists on constantly shagging your wife I think it's time to find a new best friend.
Maybe it's just me - but I'd dump the wife too. I can't figure out how that fits the analogy - but there you go
LOL: http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/03/california-unions-back-republican.html
Everyone is out for themselves within their own ranks.
The rest of the world sure seems to have serious problems, at least stocks are "still cheap here in the booming USA".
"Oww! I shot myself in the foot again."
"I told you to take that pistol to the pawn shop, Munchkins."
Hey, they have to hold up the prices for London property.
Oh dear, the 'special relationship' looks like it's finished!
UK could be a regime-change target, so expect the National Front to win by a '90% landslide' in May, just after Downing Street and The City get Maidaned, unless of course Cameron does a Hollande and deploys 10,000 troops onto high streets across Blighty?
Oh God there could also be a financial false flag in London and Russia will be blamed of course; the possibilities are endless when crazy psychopaths run the world with the 'Takfiri' boys ;-)
The bankers and monopolists starting running things in 1915. Only FDR stood up to them on key social issues, even though he was in bed with them on many other policies. The last 50 years have seen a push to roll back all new deal social programs and install a fascist, uni-party government. I think they've pretty much succeeded.
I'd say it's a push to install a modernized version of feudalism, but that's not even a quibble with your analysis.
The bully wondering why nobody wants to play with him in the sandbox anymore....
“We are wary about a trend toward constant accommodation of China, which is not the best way to engage a rising power.” — From FT, quoting a senior US Official
"Constant accommodation" of the US seems like it worked out pretty well for the UK in the past, so why not China?
There is no special relationship with the UK anymore, Obama told us straight. Shame, I grew up looking west to the US, not anymore though, and given the way the US is behaving these days, no bad theng either. Our futue in the UK is with the emerging eastern powers and our commonwealth friends. Goodbye USA, it was good while it lasted, but you grew old and destitute, and that made you bitter and twisted
While I believe in what you say, I disagree with the premise of the article.
Chatham House and the Council on Foreign Relations are joined at the hip, going all the way back to Cecil Rhodes.
This is misinformation/distraction. (Clinton was a Rhodes Scholar.)
Totally the right thing for the Brits, will be lots of money to be made and deals to be done. Don't know about Cameron but Osborne's definitely grown a pair of his own. America's losing the financial war, first Swift diversifying and now the Asia bank. America is the fat school bully who thinks he can sit on everyone's lunch day after day and no ones going to do anything about it.
Alas poor dollar. We hardly knew ye.
The UK wants someone new to fuck them in the ass. Good for them.
The UK (government paracites) wants someone new to fuck them (UK people) in the ass. Good for them.
Good for whom.
my, my looks like the lag dog just shit on somebody's lap.
well nudelman is it time for an orange revolution in the UK, a little maidan action.
lmao
Is the British PM really taking a policy decision ( albeit minor ) wihout consulting the WH?. I feel a stirring of national pride but still very far from a viable erection. Still it is jolly decent of the WH to allow this and we are jolly grateful. I say, thanks awfully.
If we could only get US statehood we would have a little more autonomy.
I fear that when the US finally sees what it has become in the eyes of the world, and sees it's powers failing, it will have a fit of pique visible from outer space and with a half life of 10000 years.
No Honor amongst Thieves.
lol. money is not patriotic or nationalist. it is only loyal to profit. just like the brits watched everyone abandon them post ww2(and their colonies before ww2) the usa will watch itself become the aging former movi e star begging for relevance but not before a cocaine, booze filled pms reign of world terror for breaking up with the bitch.
Fuck all this bullshit. Time to eat humble pie. Vichy DC is no longer Mother Superior, end of. United States of Britain have seen the light and only GCHQ are still kissing ass due to NSA being their paymaster general.
The BBC being the UK's worst enemy for disinformation and SEVERE child molestation must be put on trial.
BBC Licence fee means we are guilty of aiding and abetting pedophiles ( that's your children and mine ).
The Queen is dead, long live . . . i name this ship . .
Yeah these amateurs thought they were all that when Nuland said fuck the EU. How's it feel chumps? You should probably get used to it. And maybe the UK should watch their back.
more likely
the UK joined to find flaws in the Chinese system and report them to the Fed.
big scum accommodating China so that the biggest scum can thwart the Chinese system.