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Nazi Archives Will Support Greece's Escalating Claims For German War Reparations
As Greeks solemnly remembered the horrific acts of 72 years ago (when the first of 19 trains transported nearly 50,000 local jews to Nazi death camps), the Greek President Pavlopoulos made statements today that he "remains adamant" that "Greece's demands for German war reparations and the occupation loan are active and can be claimed legally." German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble has once again ruled out the possibility of a retreat from what Berlin has already officially said on the matter - that the issue has been settled decades ago. But, today the Greek Defense Minister issued a statement confirming that archives that they possess from Nazi armed forces support the country's claims for reparations.
As we previously explained, Kathimerini reports,
Greece's Supreme Court ruled in favor of Distomo survivors in 2000, but the decision has not been enforced. Distomo, a small village in central Greece, lost 218 lives in a Nazi massacre in 1944.
“The law states that in order to implement the ruling of the Supreme Court, the minister of justice has to order it. I believe this permission should be given and I’m ready to give it, notwithstanding any obstacles," Paraskevopoulos told Antenna TV on Wednesday.
“There must probably be some negotiation with Germany,” said Paraskevopoulos, who first announced his intention Tuesday during a Parliament debate on the creation of a committee to seek war reparations, the repayment of a forced loan and the return of antiquities.
But, as Bloomberg now reports, it apoears the Greek legal standing just improved further...
Greece to use archives it possesses of Wehrmacht, or Nazi armed forces, to support country’s claim for war reparations from Germany for damages inflicted during World War II in period 1941-1944, Greek Defense Ministry says in e-mailed statement.
Archives on Nazi occupation of Greece contain >400,000 pages.
Work to digitize microfilms containing archives to be completed soon.
Archives include Wehrmacht officer diary entries, reports to superiors.
As would be expected, GreekReporter notes, Germany is not happy...
The long standing dispute regarding Germany’s war reparations toward Greece have once again topped news headlines in both countries, amid a “cold” period in their relations. German Finance Minister Wolfgang Schaeuble has once again ruled out the possibility of a retreat from what Berlin has already officially said on the matter. As he explained in an interview to Austrian newspaper Der Standard, in which he also commented on the Greek program, the issue has been settled decades ago.
At the same time, Spiegel became the first German publication to propose that World War II reparations should be paid to Greece in order to close the matter and subtract an argument from Greek Prime Minister Alexis Tsipras’ negotiations quiver. The article noted that such a move would be politically and morally correct, and added that this will also reduce the arguments of the Greek side.
“Alexis Tsipras has threatened with confiscation of German property in Greek territory,” the article reminded, regarding Greek media reports on the matter, which said that this would be the Greek government’s “plan b,” while adding that Defense Minister Panos Kammenos has argued that the war reparations payment would be a good solution for today’s debt crisis.
“Seventy years after the war ended and while there has been a large transfer of funds through the European Union, this is not honest,” Spiegel noted, blaming the German government for helping the Greek criticism when appearing unwilling to discuss the matter and repeated that it has already been settled.
As we concluded previously,
...digging up old wounds will merely accelerate the (less than) amicable parting of ways, especially after a speech earlier by ECB's Draghi in which he said that ECB bond buying "may be shielding countries in the euro zone from any knock-on effect from events in Greece, ECB President Mario Draghi said on Wednesday."
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What is more interesting is that those archives were obtained throught the USA archives.
The people who sacked the people who maintained the archives that contained the other archives, have been sacked.
Um, I guess the Greeks don't remember that making Germany pay WWI reparations was the whole reason WWII started? Don't seem to remember their recent history.
But then again, the US is repeating the whole "Downfall of Rome" thing as we type...
"Berlin has already officially said on the matter - that the issue has been settled decades ago"
Is that settled the same way that the US government settled the fact that the 16th Amendment was never ratified by the requisite 2/3 of the states?
It seems that you are wrong about the ratification unless you stayed at the Holliday Inn and know more than ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sixteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution
1. 1 It’s in Wikipedia, so it must be true.
2 “According to the Government Printing Office”, so it must be accurate.
3 I consider Holiday Inn to be “camping out”.
4 I have not camped out for many years.
:-)
And I agree with this guy (even though he went to Harvard):
http://www.constitution.org/col/vieiraspeech.htm
Edwin Vieira, Jr., holds four degrees from Harvard: A.B. (Harvard College), A.M. and Ph.D. (Harvard Graduate School of Arts and Sciences), and J.D. (Harvard Law School).
For more than thirty years he has practiced law, with emphasis on constitutional issues.
So again, (reparations) settled the same way that the US government settled the fact that the 16th Amendment was never ratified by the requisite 2/3 of the states?
Recently a rare document from the waffen ss came up for auction .it was from kommando stelle s unit. Fetched a big a shit load of $. Not.much is known because they burnt the records. But this was how they tested the v2 on there owns small rural towns . If you think these clowns are better think again
"We have fought the wrong people" General George S. Patton stated about the war with the NAZI Germany.
Geopolitically, the USA is in a deep shit. Zionist banking mafia has destroyed America. America has military but it cannot fight. America's history past WWII is just one defeat after another: Vietnam, Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Syria and this is just a beginning.
Either America once again help both Germany and Japan to become world military superpowers or, in the next 5-10 years, China and Russia will drive the USA to a global strategic defeat.
There is no doubt serious atrocites were commited. There is no doubt there should have been some type of compensation. What really gets me though is where were all the "efforts" for reparations when things were going well? The timing of this attempt to receive money cheapens the entire effort.
So Germany was the devil during WWII. Then Germany, Europe and the Euro became the greatest thing since sliced bread. Now, Germany is the devil again. This is all disingenuous bullshit.
Persia, India, Turkey, and Egypt should step up to get a share of the reparations. Alexander the Great did incalculable damage to those countries.
That was settled decades ago.
Yes, and think of all the interest accumulated. But what should it be paid in? Alex baby had to pay the troops with something or maybe it was just pillage. Must remember: pillage before burning ...
Greece has demanded payment of the war reparations, awarded by the Paris Conference of 1946, as well as of a forced occupation loan, in 1945, 1946, 1947, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1974, 1987, and 1995.
As I said before, I am not questioning that Greece was wronged. I realize you are posting the dates to somehow show the world that this has been done consistently. What happened since 1995? Did the reparations go on strike? The monetary union was on the horizon, things were going well in Greece, so the effort was dumped.
Always looking for excuses and always someone else's fault.
Well, it seems that the timing has to do with Greece having a huge debt at the moment but keep in mind that this is the first time that Greece has a government that is not made up by politicians that were corrupted by German companies and state, thus having no strings attached to such a demand.
If the people who did it are still alive, punish them. Otherwise fuck off. The sins of the father do not pass to the son.
Tell that to the Palestinians who were forced out of their homes when Israel came to being.
It is not sins of the fathers, it is sins of a country, just like our descendents will pay for the student loans and junk people are buying today from creditors who are playing with printed money.
It never ends. Third generation "holocaust survivors" are still suffering. There are even people who aren't Jewish who are channeling their suffering. Everyone wants in on the reparations racket.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/national/new-israeli-study-finds-signs-of-tr...
right so all European people in the US/Australia/Canada and NZ should return to Europe and compensate the indiginious people (Aboriginals/Indians ect) and bring everything back to its original state.
The big joke is Jewish people do have a history / cliam to Israel (go to Jerusalem ) and the deth toll from the wars while very public is actually limited, relative to the complete destruction of Aboriginal/Indian socities.
Not to mention the fact the US/UK/Australia killed.. 4-5mill in Vietnam / 2-3 mill in Korea/ and now 1mill plus in Iraq.
Isarel vs Arab confilct death toll is about 7500 on Israel side 50,000 on Arabs...
I acutally agree all Europeans in US/Australia/Canada NZ return to your European roots and pay damages to Aboriginal /Indians... or if not shut the fuck up about Israel..
Tok 1
85% of people claiming to be Jewish are originally from the Ukraine regoin and not the middle east. These fake Jews don't even have a legitimate claim to the lands of Israel.
There's evidence that Europeans were on the North American continent 10,000 years before Asians crossed over.So it's time for the "Native Americans" to leave America to the real "Native Americans" who were Europeans.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/9110838/Stone-ag...
please the aboriginals of Australia have a 40,000 year history, the Tasmanian aboriginal were completly wiped out (there is zero left complete genocide after 20,000 history).
The US Native Americans have clear title to large amounts of land that they had lived on for thousands of years.
The fact tools were found proves nothing, ie Native Americans may be mixed with some European blood. but that doesnt mean they should give up their land..
And above nuckle head with the comment on the origins, I agree Jewish people are mixed, but the reality is Jewish people always lived in Israel (coming and going over 1000 years).. ie where as white Europeans have no history at all in Australian/US/Canada.. Jewish people have a continious histroy in Isreal its fact regardless of weather some have European origins.
The Palistians vote in the Isralie Govt.. ie if theres stability left leaning peace deal types get in.. if theres hostility (1000 dead during http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Intifada ) then you get the right wing pro army.
The Palastinians are being miss lead. There can be a deal.. theres too many interested parties outside of the middle east the profit from the conflit. Its all bad for the Isralies.
Last time I was in the Jordan desert.. the host said they hope one day the road which technically can drive staright from Israel though Jordan/Syria to Saudi will be open so tourist ect.. can come and go between all the countries.. Theres no fun living in bomb shelters.. theres only 5 mill Jews in Israel..
The perception here is jsut wrong.. and sad your supporting the continued problems..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Native_Americans_in_the_United_States#Pre-C...
The current aboriginals in Australia, whilst they have long long history, were not the original inhabitants.
See this: http://www.convictcreations.com/aborigines/prehistory.htm
The real scandal there is the forced re-burial of the Mingo remains and the suppression of the inconvenient historical evidence they provide. Suppressed by the current crew of aboriginal politicians.
Why? Short story, the current aboriginal group, wiped out the original Australian inhabitants somewhere around 30 or 40 thousand years ago.
That kind of wrecks a whole lot of the claims that are made by todays 'aboriginals' - those claims are paid today on a regular basis by the rest of the Australian population.
I guess your q white guy keen to hold onto your land.. because if they cant predict where the dow will close tomorrow, the chances of knowing the cause of a genocide 3-40K years ago is zero. Fact is current Aboriginies have more than 1000 year history and had a claim to the land. There was no arms length payment to them so the current white people living on their land are occupiers..
They should return to Europe immediatly and compensate the Aborigines, This was a true genocide their numbers are more than 70% of what they sholud have been (where are Palistinians population has exploded over last 50 years)..
Of course white christian domination will never admit they stole the land.. their all hippies who just want a bong and to hold hands.. thats easy to do when your great grandparents dispossed the original land owners.
From Source ZH-Victory_Garden
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2015/03/08/the-hidden-history-of-the-incredibly-evil-khazarian-mafia/
This excerpt from the above link: Only 2.5% of Jews in Israel have Hebrew DNA.
"Recent peer-reviewed Johns Hopkins genetic research by a respected Judaic MD shows that 97.5% of Judaics living in Israel have absolutely no ancient Hebrew DNA, are therefore not Semites, and have no ancient blood ties to the land of Palestine at all. By contrast, 80% of Palestinians carry ancient Hebrew DNA and thus are real Semites, and have ancient blood ties to Palestinian Land. This means that the real anti-Semites are the Israelis who are stealing Palestinian lands in order to build Israeli settlements, and it is the Israelis who are the ones tyrannizing and mass-murdering innocent Palestinians."
Tell the Greeks they owe Sicily billions for the damages wrought by Greek despots in the Punic Wars.
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So you're saying the sins of the old fatherland should not be used as a basis to remove the jackboot of the new fatherland from Greece's throat? Hmmm, sounds like a Who song; Come in meet the new boss, same as the old boss...
Tell that to your grandson who will owe $400,000 in public debt the day he is born.
What about white guilt and the American grievance industry?
Edit: I see, it's only "selective" sins of the father that get passed on, and it depends who's father it is and who has the political grievance.
Totally agree, since it was not the children of the Greeks that got the loans let's write them off, you know, because the sins of the father do not pass to the son.
Mr. Panos would approve.
Coincidentally, the amount Germany will owe Greece will be about 240 billion euros. How many trillions will Germany owe Russia for killing between 20 to 40 million Russians in WW II?
Churchill deliberately starved 4 million Indians to death in WW II accounting for more than 90% of casualties of the British Empire. How many trillions does the UK owe India?
How Sir Winston Churchill Starved 4 Million Indians
Madhusree Mukerjee’s book [Churchill’s Secret War: The British Empire and the Ravaging of India during World War II, New York, Basic Books, 2010] is not a denunciation of British rule of India, but a meticulous chronicling of the role of the British Raj in furthering a famine in Bengal, and suppressing the fact that this deliberate holocaust took 4 million lives. British historians, including Sir Winston Churchill in his five-volume memoir, glossed over this rather ‘irrelevant incident.
http://www.vijayvaani.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?aid=1396
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How about Eisenhower's death camps which I didn't know existed until a month or so ago?
Or what about probably the biggest genocide after WW2 against the Germans with 9 million victims? East Germany is gone.
Or what about all German patents stolen after WW1 and WW2? The biggest heist in history on which the USA even could built the NASA flight program up to the 1980s or gathered it's decade long advantage in many other areas?
The Greeks are making a big mistake, if they act like the Eternal Jew. With this poisionous behaviour of eternal hate there would be war all over the world between everyone.
And btw, the Germans have already paid for six millions several times. But one could ask the question when will they be delivered?
Back in December of 2014, my PayPal account was permanently banned, as regular readers here are aware. Shortly after I was notified by PayPal that my account was permanently banned, I received the following message from an entity claiming to be with, once again, the Jewish Defense League:
Mr Friend, we made sure that you lost your job, and now we've denied you the means to accept donations from the dysfunctional failures who frequent your hate-site. And we haven't finished with you yet; in fact, we haven't even started - we're going to make sure that the rest of your hopeless, hate-filled life is exactly the existence that someone as morally and intellectually depraved as you deserves. Make the most of the time you have left, even through all the adversity that you'll soon be facing, and try not to take the coward's way out, just like your hero, Adolf Hitler, did.
Keep up the good work on the blog - you take antisemitism to new heights of hysteria, paranoia and lunacy, and the overall effect is more comedic than sinister or threatening. And the twenty or so people who leave comments, for some reason, they all have the same name - Anonymous. Aren't these little nazi-boys as brave as you are? Obviously not.
Even by the standards of most Jew haters, you're right at the bottom of the food chain. The detritus of a putrid, toxic and hopelessly marginalized species. As a target, you're so easy, we almost feel sorry for you. Almost, but not quite.
Folks, this is the type of harassment I'm dealing with - simply for speaking my mind. Simply for stating basic, easily verifiable facts!
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So..how exactly did they make you lose your job?
Sorry, did not mean to give the impression this was me. This is from John Friend's web site. So I don't know for sure.
How about the hundreds of thousands of German soldiers that died in Russian camps and Uranium mines between 1945 and 1952? How about the hundreds of thousands of German women that were raped by Russian soldiers between 1945 and 1947? How about the millions of German civilians that died of starvation and exposure during that time frame as well?
I'd say the Germans paid pretty well for their fuckups.
1 March 2015
'When The Soldiers Came' claims Allied troops raped one million women
Children, men and young boys were also abused by soldiers, it claims
Until now it was thought only the Stalin's Red Army raped German women
But author insists she has spoken to some who can attest to the abuse
There was a misconception all women traded sex for coveted goods
But western soldiers took advantage of power to rape, says the author
'At the very least 860,000 women and girls - and also men and young boys - were raped by the occupying Allied soldiers and their helpers. It happened everywhere,' begins the book.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2975016/New-book-alleges-Allied-...
All Greece needs is a few movie studios and 50 years to push a narrative.
I've seen how this works.
Yeah, I guess thats why the Germans preferred to surrender westward, so they could be raped...cuz Stalins goons were the absolute pinnacle of chivalry & honor or sumpin.
And I don't even know how to read what you posted in that snippet, there's so many "alleges", "claims", "attesting of some" it looks like it came straight out of the National Enquirer next to a story about Puff Daddy being gang raped by Martians and who knows what a "helper" even means.
Is a "helper" a male nazi who surrendered or do I have to buy the book?
Now, there is no doubt that "some" German women traded their bodies for food or privileges or even citizenship but one million being "raped" seems a little on the salacious high side to me.
I thought they said I was being sent to a penal battalion for my transgression but apparently I heard wrong. It was a penile battalion. It was similar to a penal unit, we got to go in first.
I love reading the tabloids too.
Theres always something "interesting"...lol.
This is the problem. There are so many claims that these incidents occured, that it is hard to dismiss. But there are an equal number of stories of people from small towns (especially in the east) running towards American forces to get away from the Russians.
It gets really interesting when you listen to stories (about both Americans and the Russians) during their stay after the war (cold war years).
There are countless accounts of what the Russians did in English books. Not many about the other allied forces. I wonder why that is?
As with everything, the truth is somewhere in the middle.
Except the National Enquirer has evolved into the most credible news outlet that functions in the U.S. today?
"Other Losses" is an excellent book from the early 90s that describes in detail the horror of the US-operated post-war, peace-time camps.
‘Three-hundred times as many people died in Hamburg during the ten-day blitz as died in Coventry during the entire course of the war… Not even Hiroshima and Nagasaki, suffering the smashing blows of nuclear explosions, could match the utter hell of Hamburg.’ Martin Caidin, The Night Hamburg Died, Ballantyne Books, NY, 1960.
The Children
‘Of the children these dreadful nights, what can be said? Their fright became horror and then panic when their tiny minds became capable of grasping the fact that their parents could no longer help them in their distress. They lost their reason and an overwhelming terror took over. Their world had become the shrieking centre of an erupting volcano from which there could be no physical escape. Nothing that hell offered could be feared more. ‘By the hand of man they became creatures, human in form but not in mind. Strangled noises hissed from them as they staggered pitifully through the streets in which tar and asphalt ran as streams. Some of these tiny creatures ran several hundred feet. Others managed only twenty, maybe ten feet. Their shoes caught fire and then their feet. The lower parts of their legs became flickering sticks of flame. Here were Joans of Arcs… thousands of them. All who had perished unjustly on the fires of the Middle Ages were as nothing when compared with what was happening that night. ‘The sounds of many were unintelligible and undoubtedly many more called for their parents from whom they were parted by death or by accident. They grasped their tortured limbs, their tiny burning legs until they were no longer able to stand or run. And then they would crash to the ground where they would writhe in the bubbling tar until death released them from their physical misery.’ Martin Caidin.
Does nobody wonder how someone could be there to witness such a massive attack up close and survive to write about it?
What about Jews owing Russia reparations for the 20 to 60 million killed by the Jewish bolsheviks?
You mean the perpetrators of 90% of the African slave trade should not receive money but pay? To Goyim, these animals? You must be joking.
Just bury the hatchet already, in Schnaubles forehead.
They can repay them in Reichsmark. You know. Just to complete the irony.
Spot on, we owe the Greeks exactly 478 million Reichsmark. Todays value: ZERO. But if they want them, i´m sure we´ll find some old stamps for the printing press to produce those 478 million Reichsmark, no problem. Ink and paper is cheap.
Greece is not going to repay the debt or any debt.
They will stoop to any level as it shows.
The Greeks lost the war big time. Loser don´t get paid. If you want something from us Germans come and get it, Greeks. I´ll shoot you a welcome salute with my grandpa´s K98.
How is Germany not paying reparations now?
Its not like the euro isn't still collapsing.
did germany really won ww2?
We Germans won the war in Greece. Was not a big problem, the Greeks were underachievers, as usual.
Let that puppy sit right there... you fucking nazi scum piece of shit!
Go to Banderastan and help your brethern
Never again!!!
he must be using sarcasm, he can't be seriuos wolfie
And you know that - how?
Are you saying that the guy is a joke and just because it's "wolfie" we can never assume he is serious? Let me get this straight Jon, I will apologize to "wolfie" if he apologizes for his comments (mind you, it's not 1 but 2 comments in a row that he expresses his nazi viewpoint in)...
Turns out Spengler was right in his observation that humanity is doomed to self-destruct by repeating the same mistakes because our collective memory doesn't exceed the timespan of 2 generations.
None of my business of course, but..If you look at the situations (boxing in) of Germany prior to WWI and WWII by France/Great Britain and then the aftermath of reparations that Germany was subjected to after both events then I am thinking "wolfie" may have some standing in being fed up with the villification that has been leveled against Germany for the last century.
Non sequitur.
Germany was the third largest receiver of Marshall Plan funds. It goes hand in hand with the Truman Doctrine and Operation Paperclip...
Actually, it was rather a problem. The Greeks stopped the Italians cold and Germany had to open up a second front against them to get the job done. The Greek campaign delayed Hitler's invasion of Russia with disastrous results
Germany only has 8x the population of Greece. Who could lose when it is 8 to 1?
Wolferl is just a brainwashed re-educated German slave and now the slave is happy, that he has found one nation, that is dependent on the slave's nation. Six decades a..licking the world, the re-educated Germans feel a big relief that finally they are allowed say "NO" to someone.
I hear the Eastcoast laughing about the stupid goyim, while they are sinking deeper and deeper into the compund-interest debt serfdom and again are beginning to fight each other, instead to take a look at the foundations of the system and who is running it.
Dear Greece, get off the cross, we need the wood.
p.s. If you are that hard up for cash sue goldman and imprison the guvvies who raped your country.
"when the first of 19 trains transported nearly 50,000 local jews to Nazi death camps"
Sounds like Greece got saved in the long run.
I think that Germany owes reparations to the entire world, not just for the war, but merely for being German.
They sure do. And they can pay me in beers.
1) Greece needs to sue ITALY, since that was the country that invaded it.
2) The modern world rolls on. "We're out of money. Who can we sue to get some?"
Euh, no. Italy actually suffered defeat and Germany was obliged to support the invasion in order to turn it into victory.
Someone is looking for loose change under the couch cushions.
Where my reparations at?
Gold and Silver payment only.
Greece needs to get a train, go over to Germany, and pack 50,000 Germans on it and bring them back to Greece. Leave their cell phones, credit cards, back accounts, computers, iPuds, iWatches, whatever all hell, in Germany. Herd them all into a holding area. Sort them out on the front end, only take healthy ones. Get their asses to work. Feed them what the average Greek gets to eat (I don't know what that is, but, you know, make it fair). Don't kill them, but do extract some work. When the cash value of the reparations have been earned in profits, let the Germans go. Give the EU the cash.
That should help even things out, eh?
I won't go into the stereotypes of what the Germans would show the Greeks in terms of work ethic, etc. but please do tease this idea out more if you are inspired to do so.
Edit: Wow, I need a sarc tag for this.
even adding a sarc tag won't help with the weekend crowd :)
I teased it and based on the Greek value of output per day the Germans would be going home in 2.28 days.
Wut, debt financed socialism doesn't work, whocouldanoed? Lets sue the bastards! That'll hold us over for a year or two.
(Six months after we give the lawyers their cut) ;-)
Way to go Greece.
Put the squeeze on the grandchildren and great-granchildren of the ones who lost a long-ago war.
This scumbag maneuver is not how to win friends and influence people ... or get more money.
Greece is acting like the "Negro" of Europe these days.
Anything to get some money I guess.
I'd like to seem them seize some German property/business in Greece just to see what the German's will do. Hopefully start WWIII.
Because Germany frames the narrative, that of debt as a morality play, when it is nothing but a business transaction and thus morally neutral.
Greece is throwing that morality back in their face. It's a lesson the German gov't needs to relearn.
No, what's really sad is the Greek gov't has the ultimate trump card and not only refuses to use it, but lets the other side know it will never use it. So the Germans will just keep bending them over while Varoufakis dreams of reforming a bunch of Brussels/Frankfurt/Berlin gangsters.
Sounds like a similar lifeline Vlad gave the U.S. to not attack Syria. Did Germany steal anything from Spain back in WW2?
In my opinion they should focus on demanding repayment of the loan Greece had to give Germany during the Occupation which is worth billions today. It's a stronger case at this point in time.
They should just not make however many payments that amounts to, plus interest. Credit yo.
As soon as I see 'Nazi death camp' in print I know that it was written by a lying grief peddeler. What the grief peddlers call 'death camps' began as slave labor camps that were operated as housing for industrial workers. These inmates were rounded up as unemployed and unemployable populations of people in German occupied countries. Yes the camps became 'death camps' after all lines of supply were cut by the war. Starvation and disease quickly set in.
Naysayers could show an authentic German document that orders the extermination of any civilian peoples. The world is waiting for you to show that document.
"slave labor camps", well that is so much better. Yay Germany!
The occupation of Greece shows that the Nazis were not wrong for being nationalists, they were wrong for being socialists. They looted Greece so badly that its economy collapsed for lack of tools and raw materials, 300,000 Greeks starved to death, and the Nazis had to send food to Greece to feed their soldiers.
Early in the war, each new conquest enriched Germany with plunder, including gold taken from bank vaults, but the nations they ruined then became a huge drain on the war effort.
Um, that was the plan - starve out the existing populations to make room for German expansion.
Except that Germany was already in demographic decline, and while the Nazis talked plenty about getting women back into the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant, only patriarchy can make that happen, and socialists don't do patriarchy.
The Greeks, alas, will have to get in line behind quite a few people, including Europe's Jews. The State of Israel got an equally insulting settlement on the Jewish people's behalf, maybe a tenth of what was stolen from the Jews of the Third Reich.
If a way could be found to enforce all the claims on Nazi Germany---and the banksters who bankrolled the war---for war damages, German banksters would be bankrupted several times over. Even if they had it, well---Comrade Erika is well known to still have her Confirmation money, as we say in Ireland (never mind that the GDR marks she would have gotten no longer have any value except to collectors).
Why would a country that didn't even exist until after the war get reparations for crimes committed against europeans during the war?
By making a big show of giving the Jews their own country after 2000 years, and the seed capital to make it viable, the banksters hoped people would forget more quickly that the banksters had bankrolled Hitler's war machine in the first place, and that most of the Jewish and Gentile blood spilt was on the banksters' hands. After all, Hitler was an anti-Semite, went the narrative. Why would anybody who had helped Hitler help the Jews?
Of course, all the Jews really got was a miserable reservation on Arab land the British couldn't afford to govern after the war and were only too glad to be rid of, and reparations that (as I said) were only a small fraction of what had been stolen from them. Just enough to keep the Jews from starving or being massacred by the Arabs within months of their arrival, but no more.
Because Hitler's plans to exterminate non-German Gentiles weren't as widely known, there was less need to appear to be suddenly the best friends of (say) the Greeks. So the Greeks got nothing.
Any idea what kind of reparations the USA owes to Vietnam, Iraq, and Afgahnistan???
At least 320 million pounds of flesh.
Vierzig Morgen und ein Maultier
(I don't speak German, but I did stay at Holiday Inn once and used google translate)
After all of this, Iran and South America is going to have a field day on their claims.
Oh. Wait.
Ok, sorry, assassinating multiple targets on foreign soil and regime changes that cause the deaths of 100,000+ through death squads you trained doesn't meet the bar. I got all confused there.
March 15th: Putin puts forth the dossier that outlines the WWII reparations owed to Russia. It's a little bit bigger than $68 billion. He ignores the history of the Soviet block.
March 15th: Greek nationals puts forth a claim to the U.N. regarding UK / USA backing of fascist junta, and claim $100 billion due to GS meddling.
March 15th: China puts forth claim to U.N. to Japan (only legitimate claim). They don't want money, they want islands. ALL OF THEM. ($300 billion)
March 15th: Israel claims the entire middle east. And reparations for the death of Jesus, because, you know, he was technically still Jewish when killed ($500 billion)
March 15th: Italy claims the entire middle east and wants Europe back. Claims only $100 billion but wants respect.
March 16th: Europa puts forth claim to Earth (all of it) for being closer to the Sun, and also hosting life so stupid that its neighbours refused to visit.
So let's make this clear -
The real rape of Greece by the Germans happened between 1980 and 2015 when the German banksters enslaved the Greek citizens with loans that can never be repaid.
The claim for WWII damages is really to let the Greeks confiscate corporate and individual bank accounts and property located in Greece in order to re-pay those loans.
So in effect, it is the German banksters who are confiscating the bank accounts and property of German citizens and companies who were unfortunate enough to enjoy the Greek sunshine.
The US constantly comes up with freebies and giveaways to Native Americans, illegals, Japanese internment camp survivors, etc.
I wonder if the EU has ever settled with the descendants of the Neanderthals - after all, they were the original inhabitants of Europe!
Many Americans aren’t aware that they are paying restitution to Jewish families for WWII by subsidizing Holocaust victims and will be paying far into the future as generation after generation collects. Here’s the official IRS rule:
“Holocaust victims restitution. Restitution payments you receive as a Holocaust victim (or the heir of a Holocaust victim) and interest earned on the payments are not taxable. Excludable interest is earned by escrow accounts or settlement funds established for holding funds prior to the settlement. You also do not include the restitution payments and interest the funds earned prior to disbursement in any computations in which you ordinarily would add excludable income to your adjusted gross income, such as the computation to determine the taxable part of social security benefits. If the payments are made in property, your basis in the property is its fair market value when you receive it.
Excludable restitution payments are payments or distributions made by any country or any other entity because of persecution of an individual on the basis of race, religion, physical or mental disability, or sexual orientation by Nazi Germany, any other Axis regime, or any other Nazi-controlled or Nazi-allied country, whether the payments are made under a law or as a result of a legal action. They include compensation or reparation for property losses resulting from Nazi persecution, including proceeds under insurance policies issued before and during World War II by European insurance companies
http://www.irs.gov/publications/p525/ar02.html#en_US_2014_publink1000229492
These are minor developments in an old story but they provide enthusiastic delight to the media, always ready to use Zionist themes against the defeated.
Where are the reparations the Jews owe the Palestinians for the land and properties they ‘ve confiscated and continue to confiscate all the while Palestinians still living are penned behind concentration wire and shot wantonly out of wanton greed?
Where are the reparations the Jewish Bolsheviks owe the peoples of the USSR who lost everything to the Bolsheviks, and in the Ukraine are losing everything again to the conquering the Jews?
Not true? Solzhenitsyn says:
“Why was it that anyone who had the misfortune to fall into the hands of the Cheka could count with high probability on standing before a Jewish investigator or being shot by a Jew?”
For those keeping numerical evidence, Dr. Fred Schwartz in You Can Trust the Communists 9to be Communists) writes:
"In the year 1905, Lenin established the movement called Bolshevism with seventeen supporters. In the year 1917, Lenin conquered Russia with a Party of approximately forty thousand members. By 1959, the party of Lenin had conquered one billion people. In one generation, the godless Communists had brought under their control twelve times as many as Hitler ruled at the beginning of World War II, twelve times as many as Japan ruled, and six times the population of the United States." …
He wrote that in 1962, “There are in the world today five children in school learning in detail the godless doctrines of Communism, for every one child in any school anywhere learning anything about Christ.”
This is the inescapable truth. Reparations is a media game, played decade after decade by the Zionist press and supported by Zionist politicians throughout the West. Politics has played an increasingly demanding role in these reparations. If this is the only card Tsipras has to play, he should throw in his hand.
I said I was impressed how you'd grown up. Sadly, you keep going back to rubbish. Sigh, time for a bit of smack down.
Hint: Reparations are a very serious game.
The UK only repaid war loans from the USA in 2006. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anglo-American_loan
The USA and the UK are allies (two world wars, don't ya know, 5 Eyes and nukes and so on) and the UK was still obliged to repay war loans for over 50 years. Hint: these are the winning side.
Money is Money.
Cut the crap, find out who got their loans wiped out. It's called the Young Plan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Young_Plan
It formed the BIS. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bank_for_International_Settlements
Sigh. Learn history already.
The greed cemented into the Treaty of Versailles led to Germany’s 1923 hyperinflation and a deliberately imposed impoverishment that led, out of starvation and desperation, ultimately, to WWII.
The intent of the Treaty of Versailles was to destroy Germany.
Of Versailles, Francisco Nitti, the prime minister of Italy, wrote: ”The cost of the war of all participants totaled three times the value of all property in Germany. She was ordered to pay an impossible 1.7 billion marks a year (in foreign exchange) for 59 years, until 1988. Even worse, according to the normally circumspect banker, Hjalmar Schacht: ‘The Treaty of Versailles is a model of ingenious measures for the economic destruction of Germany.’”
In a Reparations Agreement between Israel and West Germany signed on September 10, 1952, “reparations would become a decisive part of Israel's income, comprising as high as 87.5% of the state income in 1956,” according to Wikipedia.
Later, “on behalf of US citizens, the US Foreign Claims Settlement Commission reached agreements with the German government in 1998 and 1999 to compensate Holocaust victims who immigrated to the US after the war...
“In 2009, Israeli Finance Minister Yuval Steinitz announced that he will demand a further 450 million to 1 billion Euros in reparations from Germany on behalf of some 30,000 Israeli forced labor survivors. Israel has also sought large discounts on the purchase of two German-built MEKO warships.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reparations_Agreement_between_Israel_and_West_Germany
By unanimous consent, the U.S. Senate approved a measure to repeal the sunset of an exclusion from federal income tax for restitution received by Holocaust victims.
There were an estimated 88,000 Holocaust survivors in 2010 when the tax cut would have sunset, according to House Ways and Means Social Security Subcommittee Chairman E. Clay Shaw (R-Fla). Exempting Holocaust payments cost $3 million in federal tax revenues for 2012, according to the Joint Committee on Taxation.
On December 10, 2010, The New York Times wrote that "on Oct. 3, 2010, Germany finally paid off the interest on bonds that had been taken out by the shaky Weimar government in an effort to pay the war reparations imposed by the Treaty of Versailles.”
Reparations paid by Germany ended in 2010.
Reparations paid by Germany ended in 2010.
And war loans from the USA to the UK were repaid in 2006.
You're missing the point here when you go into little racist tirades. Might want to look up other war loans: some took 200 years to wipe out,
Germany just sold Israel 6 submarines at way below cost. Do wholesale submarines count as reparations?
A lot of the commenters here would like to get some wholesale submarines from Germany.
Let's be clear. The 300,000 Jews who died during the terrible and tumultuous years of WWII have a special place in the minds and hearts of good people the world over. So do the 20 million Russians and the 5 million Germans who died, too.
But putting the financial squeeze on the children of the offspring of long-dead Germans is just plain wrong. But, of course, very few mention this injustice.
Ok, that's funny.
If you're going to do this right, please pay attention:
WWII
Jews - 3-5 million
Gyspies [Romanovs] - 1-3 million
Poles - 1 million
Russians - 20-25 million
Chinese - 15-25 million
German eugenics [disabled / mentally retarded etc] 400- 600k
German internal political opponents - 500k - 2 million (Hard to judge, comes under many other categories)
And so on, and so forth. Now, if you're a good Dog, you'll then start to tally up all the other deaths.
Ah, I see: you're a troll account. I love the 21st Century when people get paid to troll about the deaths of ~250 million people! It's so refreshing. Do you feel you made a difference now? Really? Not dirty or silly?
Your standards for being a human are very low my friend.
Ahh.
So ZH becomes Reddit? You want to downvote? Come have a match 1 vrs 1.
Downvoting and running off means you're a little bitch. (Oh: and I'll win)
We don't want to hear that garbage, that nonsense, those propaganda lies.
Tell it to your Palestinian gardener instead. Maybe he'll listen, patiently, to kill time, while he's thinking of how to get even with you and your evil kind.
Ah, I see. You see, here's the rules, boy:
Make a challenge, and I'll cut you into little bits.
"We don't want to hear that garbage"
Boo-fucking-hoo.
"that nonsense, those propaganda lies."
Which ones? The fact that 20-25 million Russians died or the fact that 3-5 million Jews dies or the fact that 15-20 million Chinese nationals died?
You're fucking inept over your preffered kill totals of ethnic peoples here.
"Tell it to your Palestinian gardener instead"
Ok, so you must be an Israeli troll account. No-one in their sane mind would have a palestinian gardener anywhere in the world apart from Israel: for the rest of us, we're thinking: "Mexican? Polish? Chinese"? And so on - it's a really culturally specific and crap slur. If you're trying to say I'm Israeli, well, sorry: I don't believe in blood purity. (Since, you know: you're all fucking hybrids with neanderthals which is why this is so fucking amusing that you think "race" matters)
"your evil kind."
Boy: you're lucky. If our kind came back you'd not only be spanked, but you wished you'd never been born. Our kind view your kind as animals, and fucking God knows how much bullshit I've had to deal with to make your genocide not happen. So don't fucking lecture me you little spiv. Enjoy your little life, get some love in there because you sure as shit ain't understanding what was sacrificed to let you live.
There's no way you filthy Zionists killers are God's Chosen People.
You Khazar scum are undoubtedly imposters, converts, on a mass scale.
Wut.
You even got your other account to upvote this nonsense? Well, well done, you're a Redditor.
There's no way you filthy Zionists killers are God's Chosen People.
People who kill Zionists aren't God's chosen people? Sooo.. the Nazi's aren't God's chosen people? Well, thanks for that update, you sure made sense of WWII for me there. Why are you doing this then?
You Khazar scum are undoubtedly imposters, converts, on a mass scale.
I actually had to google this because of the lack of relevance to the conversation, then had to run the links through all the fascist groups we know and reference to various Ukrainian groups and so just to make sense of it. Three centuries is your mark for an Empire? Or a threatening "other".
And then we spotted it... Beginning in the 8th century, Khazar royalty and notable segments of the aristocracy converted to Judaism;
You're a troll, pretending to be a white neo-Nazi, referencing ultra-Zionist beliefs and ancient empires where Judaism was a thing, while being Jewish, while trolling a forum with a reputation of being neo-Nazi, while getting upvotes from actual neo-Nazis.
I'd be impressed if you weren't a hybrid. That's a lot of effort there for a troll. +1 just for being so bat-shit mad.
This doesn't mean you're an elf. Fucking wannabes, they're like waifus. Oh, and stop using the downvote button as if it meant anything - tosser.
p.s.
You got made. Little pieces. Promise kept. Thanks for playing, little fish. I do hope you're not near any sharks who you were counting on ZH cred to keep off.
Be Seeing You.
Little bitches, Downvotes are trix for kids.
You've no idea. When you can't even man up for a real chew-down, we've already won. (And no, this doesn't mean "Ze Jews"). Damn, this place used be fun, they've even castrated the muppets.
;.;
The Holocaust statistics repeated in most modern accounts is contradicted by the World Almanac both in 1933 and 1948: Before and after the "Holocaust": Jewish population numbers in 1933 and 1948
According to these pages from the World Almanac, the world population of Jews increased between 1933 and 1948 from 15,315,000 to 15,753,000. If the German government under Adolf Hitler had - as is alleged - murdered six million Jews those losses should have been reflected in the Jewish population numbers quoted in the World Almanac.
The suspicions raised by today's numbers concerning the veracity of the allegations made against the Hitler government are confirmed by the official three-volume report by the International Committee of the Red Cross, released 1948 in Geneva, according to which 271,304 concentration camp inmates died in German custody, about half of them Jews. The following article elaborates.
A Factual Appraisal Of The 'Holocaust' By The Red Cross: The Jews And The Concentration Camps: No Evidence Of Genocide
The above is chapter nine from the book "Did Six Million Really Die?".
http://www.gnosticliberationfront.com/a_factual_appraisal_of_the_holocaust_by_red_cross.htm#ICRC
Dude. We were there. Millions of people of all races did die. It was a shitty century.
3-5 million, if you want to start arguing over statistics, and not the fact that, you know, killing people is bad, then you can fuck right off.
You were doing so well: you were not there. Try arguing about the other victims of the war, and seeing equal recognition of their plight, you'll make more sense.
So, where did all these millions then go? To Israel? They all lied about the holocaust? All these people that were put on trains (and the Germans documented that well) East got a detour to Israel and made up stories? All the eyewitness accounts of GIs liberating camps were made up? GIs are plot of the conspiracy as well?
It is even gracious of him that this nazi piece of shit admits to 300,000 Jews killed. You know, that is already a big step forward for neo-nazis. Perhaps one day we can get him to take of his brown shirt and become a human being again. Until then, no point in arguing with 'sub humans' like him (that is a phrase he might understand).
Man, Jewes killed 100 million Slavs.
Jewes killed another 500 million arround the world.
What should we do with the jews, khazas?
And correct your figures.
The 6 million have to be put in contrast of 600 million.
Calling for reparations is an admission of weakness and defeat.
Um, why didn't the Greeks collect all of the reparations they were entitled to collect before this? I'm just asking because this just looks suspiciously like a grift. The last great, Greek politician we had here in America was M. Stanley Dukakis and he had a hand in leaving the Commonwealth of Massachusetts in a shambles. Don't believe me? Then remember this, the next time you meet someone with a SSN that begins with three zeros, that is a SSN that was manufactured by his administration to permit illegal Aliens to collect welfare benefits.
As mentioned previously, all previous governments (which happened to be PASOK and ND for the last 50 years, that is including their precursors) were corrupted by German companies and state, thus having no real leverage in demanding the reparations. The government of SYRIZA appears to lack those people, thus making it a feasible task.
Here come the Indians. I want my money from the Italians and the Chinese hordes.
....when the first of 19 trains transported nearly 50,000 local jews to Nazi death camps.....
this is a damage to Germany , not to Greece.
The likes of Kagan and Nulalnd nevertheless exist (unfortunately) despite the alleged transports.
What a bunch of racist piglets. Gives my nordik ancestry great pride.
There were no death camps, just work camps with very few guards in them. The camps were run largely by the prisoners, especially the best organized of the prisoners, the Communists. Among the Commies, there were many jews. They distributed the food, etc. They ran the camps and were responsible for much of the hardships that prisoners underwent in them. Jewish holocaust "experts" have already admitted that there were no death camps apart from Auschwitz. But Auschwitz wasn't a death camp either. It was the most comfortable camp, and prisoners for that reason did not want to leave it and go elsewhere. Anne Frank’s father after the war married a woman whom he met at Auschwitz. She wrote a book after the war in which she described how she would look down and stare at the floor when guards came around asking for volunteers to go to other camps. She wanted to stay at Auschwitz since it was the best camp for the prisoners. As you probably do not know, the largest refinery in the territory held by the Germans was situated at Auschwitz. The Germans chose this location because, at least at the start of the war, it was out of the reach of Allied bombers. Prisoners in the camp worked at the refinery; the camp was built there to provide workers for the refinery.
http://vho.org/aaargh/engl/engl.html
there's plenty of evidence that Southern Italy had 5 centuries of Greek occupation, it's time for Greece to pay some reparations too...