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Putin Reappears, Puts 40,000 Troops On Full Alert As Part Of "Snap-Readiness Exercises"
After disappearing for ten days from the public's eye, theories surrounding his absence ranged from the tabloidy (fathering a baby with a Russian gymnast), to the trivial (lower back issues), to the bizarre (another putsch in the Kremlin), to the idiotic (dead). All that can be cast aside when moments ago we learn that the Russian president simply wanted some time away and has now reappeared for his meeting with the Kyrgyz president. From Bloomberg:
- PUTIN ARRIVES FOR MEETING W/ KYRGYZ PRESIDENT IN ST. PETERSBURG
And for those who desperately need photographic evidence here it is:
Putin take on the rumors:
Putin on the #PutinMissing speculation about his health: "It would be boring without rumors."
— Kirit Radia (@KiritRadia) March 16, 2015
That settles that, at least until the next rumor.
But while Putin may have kept a low visibility profile, he was very well heard, and as reported earlier today, the Russian president ordered nearly 40,000 troops in northern and western Russia to be put on full alert early Monday as part of snap-readiness exercises, official news agencies quoted Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu as saying.
According to the WSJ, the maneuvers are the latest in a series of such checks in recent years and follow dozens of military exercises conducted over the past year since the start of the Ukraine crisis.
The military exercises announced on Monday involve Russia's Northern Fleet, as well as airborne and other troops in the west of the country. The main focus is to test readiness in the Arctic, where Russia has expanded its military presence in recent years, officials said. The exercises are scheduled to continue through to March 21.
"New challenges and threats to military security require further increases in the military capabilities of the armed forces and special attention to the newly formed strategic group in the northern direction, " Mr. Shoigu said.
Many more to come:
- RUSSIA TO HOLD CONSTANT UNPLANNED MILITARY CHECKS: PESKOV
As the WSJ concludes, "western officials have criticized Russia's frequent exercises as threatening and provocative, a charge Moscow parries with its own allegations that military maneuvers near Russia's borders by the North Atlantic Treaty Organization are destabilizing." Oddly enough, they have nothing to say about NATO parking tanks and armors and various other weapons just feet away from the Russian border.
In the early hours of today, under op #AtlanticResolve #US tanks and armor arrive in #Estonia @US_EUCOM @USNATO pic.twitter.com/KTEoGILJeW
— estNATO (@estNATO) March 14, 2015
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Reappears, Puts 40,000 Troops On Full Alert
Nice to see you too bitch!
NATO General Philatio Manlove: "Eight million Russian soldiers and 600,000 Russian tanks have invaded Ukraine! I'm being super serial!"
I stayed awake for a month in the summer one time, went cold turkey, just having enough time make cereal and pp&j to get thru the day, the mechanical devil inside me made me do it, barely able to food shop but once every 10 days, maybe he went through something like that.
Eye Candy Time!
http://rt.com/politics/239585-poklonskaya-prosecutor-threats-ukraine/
LOL she's inspired japanese anime and the press calling her 'Prosecutie'
she's frikn awesome
Putin who?
President Vladimir Putin Appears As Scheduled In St Petersburg With President Of Kyrgyzstan
His disappearance is explained here:
This is where Putin has been for 10 days and what he's been doing.Guaranteed friends.....W W #3 Black Swan event will be a major, False Flag one initiated by the ever desperately growing USSA.
The USSA, via their imbecilic Ukie orcs, have launched so many obvious false flags that they no longer work. MH17, Odessa, Bus accidents, claims of a million russian troops and 10,000 tanks, offing a has been russian politician, the list goes on and on. The russians, unlike the floride heads in North America, are still capable of some critical thought and see though the BS.
Natalia can prosecute me between the sheets and on the floor, the sofa and the back of my truck any time baby!!
Let sleeping dogs lie, Russia is not Afgan, Iraq or Serbia to be treated like that by western forces.
What makes you think that building a bit of Cadre and giving them a bit of vacation is not the Master Plan?
Not quite OT...
...fathering a baby with a Russian gymnast...
Can't be done in ten days. A man can sire a child in minutes (well, for me a bit longer...), be present for the birth for hours, but fathering takes a lifetime.
Just wanted to be clear on that.
just think of all the crime that is committed, hoping to meet her......or is it meat.....
Yeah, Natalia can handcuff me anytime and beat me with her blonde hair. I would even give up Latina's for a while to experience her 'prosecutie' embrace, <g>.
Meanwhile, in the USSA her rough equivalent is Janet Reno. I'll even bet that Janet would love to have a lick of Natalia.
Ohhh, how the mighty USSA has declined.....
Yup.
Something about Putin being missing and Obama talking (tongue in cheek) about ALIENS with Jimmy 'the sellout' Kimmel.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EYzRY2XpLBk
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They are going to dupe us - again - with possibly a faked alien invasion and claim that the aliens are here to help us. If that happens - i guarantee 100% they are NOT here to help us.
and cue Krugman...
Paul Krugman is so frustrated by the lack of support for another round of stimulus spending that he's now calling for a fake alien invasion of the United States to spur a World War II-style defense buildup.
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Stooge, many keyboards have drowned in snorted coffee due to your commentary...LOL +100
"The russians, unlike the floride heads in North America, are still capable of some critical thought and see though the BS."
I'm not sure about that. A coworker of mine is ethnic Russian; he's in contact with the motherland and subscribes to Russian TV, which is state controlled.
He tells me that in regards to the situation in Ukraine, the Russian media has people whipped up into a frenzy of Pavlovian nationalism. There are no opposition views in Russian media. "Here" (outside of Russia) he can at least find some semblance of a reasoned debate, he says.
Tell your friend that he doesn't have a clue as to what a "resoned debate" is. And neither do you...
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Fixed it for you.
My Russian friends trump yours...what they are saying is WTF is going on .. most can not believe it ... tried to tell the guy who used to be Russian military that the West is in the hands of lunatics.. he did not want to believe it.. no one wants to believe it .. the demonization of Putin and Russia is about money .. and control of assets and stupid idiots in countries like Ukraine .. which is now .. like the BALKANS .. another of our ass clown projects... a bloody disaster. Russians are a lot smarter than your friend... although their opinion on America is now in the toilet . who can blame them.. this is a Western inspired drama .. its the US and NATO that has bombed and invaded countries . for fun and profit .. from Balkans to Syria to Libya to Iraq .. was not the RUssians who did it . we did . .all based on lies in every single case.
+1
You should talk to some (Baltic, West-Slavic, Nordic, Polish) Europeans. They have roughly the same thing going on, only in the opposite direction, i.e. thoroughly convinced that mad-dog evil Russia under Stalin Jr. is out of control and must be forcefully stopped by greatest ally and protector NATO post-haste, western media isn't russophobic enough.
ZH commentariat continues to satisfy their immense need to believe things are different anywhere, without any recourse to evidence.
And if the US detonates a nuclear weapon in one of their cities, who in the West will not immediately accept that Russia did it?
Beware dumbass Ukie trolls, Vlad the Impaler is back. Your USSA state department liberal neocons lost again and you are now stuck living in a country poorer than somalia, and with a much worse climate.
I couldn't figure out why he didn't just appear somewhere just to shut down the media frenzy.
Now I see a reason.
The entire world does not revolve around MSM and their zio-propaganda no matter how loud it gets. Almost, but not quite.
And oh by the way neocons and zionuts...we're getting our military cranked up even more. Why? Because you are provoking us even though you insist you aren't.
Yeah, Putin really played the Western Mainstream Media idiots for the fools they are.
However Chunga, according to the latest Ukie trolls, Putin was assasinated by Aliens and replaced by a Japanese sex robot, designed to bring world peace by giving Obama unforgettable BJ's.
Right now I'm reading comments by Amerikan Orcs about the situation on a few political sites that I'd call statist. It's a morbid fascination of mine; thinking the population might wise up some day and see through the bullshit.
The fantastic theories and hatred towards the Russians is incredible. If there ever is a civil war here, it won't be blue team verses red team.
I think it will be everyone else against both of them, but maybe I'm just being hopeful. I'd fight them.
edit - here are a few examples - fuck this - I'm going to work outside today - can't stand it.
* Putin looks pale and stiff but deserves it because he's an agressive KGB tyrant.
* While he was missing he drafted a hit list of freedom loving reporters who are fleeing because they're going to be killed, like Metsov.
* The troops that were just placed on alert have been awarded free homes in Crimea who's previous occupants they are now free to kill, as a bonus.
Chunga, here's a snappy little number from around 1983 to cheer you up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVf7m_YZ2zY
LOL! Thanks.
I like to torture myself or something because I keep saying I'm to ignore everything I can't control...but I can't look away. The funny thing is, I bet the people I'm talking about hate me just as much and would be glad to fight. It might just work out!
First you dehumanize the 'enemy' .. than you encourage the telling of outrageous lies and innuendo .. this coutnry is TOAST .. whatevre happens now we deserve it .. given the brain dead zombies who inhabit this nation. The history of world War I is repeating itself before our eyes.. only this time . the USSA will not be spared . and given our populace is in no way ready to deal with depravation or war status . REAL war as opposed to the 'war' of regime change the last 20 years.. things are going to go dark . .a majority will die from shock if nothing else - From the book THey THought They Were Free .. the German People from 1833 to 1945 ........ Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think? America and Americans today.. who wants to THINK!!
First you dehumanize the 'enemy' .. than you encourage the telling of outrageous lies and innuendo .. this coutnry is TOAST .. whatevre happens now we deserve it .. given the brain dead zombies who inhabit this nation. The history of world War I is repeating itself before our eyes.. only this time . the USSA will not be spared . and given our populace is in no way ready to deal with depravation or war status . REAL war as opposed to the 'war' of regime change the last 20 years.. things are going to go dark . .a majority will die from shock if nothing else - From the book THey THought They Were Free .. the German People from 1833 to 1945 ........ Nazism gave us some dreadful, fundamental things to think about—we were decent people—and kept us so busy with continuous changes and ‘crises’ and so fascinated, yes, fascinated, by the machinations of the ‘national enemies,’ without and within, that we had no time to think about these dreadful things that were growing, little by little, all around us. Unconsciously, I suppose, we were grateful. Who wants to think? America and Americans today.. who wants to THINK!!
dang, we lose ... 2/3 of american male populations falls over frothing at the mouth ... jenner may be immune, but can s/he shoot? :-) she's a beauty alright
Priceless: “I am a lawyer, not a Pokemon or something,”
Chief Prosecutor?
I've had high school babysitters who looked older than her.
I wonder where she keeps her tattoos?
I only wish I could find her tattoos, and authenticate them very closely. If this ever happens, I promise to write it up.
BTW, this is how women look when they are not stuffed with GMO's, floride and feminist ideology.
Jack B in drag
Are you a Kike?
"Eye Candy Time!" http://rt.com/politics/239585-poklonskaya-prosecutor-threats-ukraine/
I do hope that this is where Vlad spent his last 10 days... recharging his batteries, on a Crimean vacation, way down south. And making sure Russia's southern flanks are properly protected. ;-) ;-)
Freaky. She's the spittin' image of my buddy's wife (although she's older but ageing gracefully).
Freaky. She's the spittin' image of my buddy's wife (although she's older but ageing gracefully).
You talking to your wife?
Which one?
Absent due to Woar readiness meetings/briefings. I hope you Amerikans have a cupboard full of Iodine. The Nukes are a comin' your way. Comrade.
CHEERS!
BB - Nukes will not be used (at least on any large scale). Banking cabal interests require a long drawn out war to maximize profits. Hell the foreplay on this one is excrutiating to watch. But this is all part of the psyop and money positioning. Somewhere there is a whiteboard that has a long list of countries they want all in on this circus parade.
Full employment coming to a town near you.
Considering deficiency can take up to 3 yrs to remedy, you're a bit late on your advice.
Nukes are so 20th-sentury. And all that conventional stuff - military exercises, planes, 40K troops on alert - that's all for the local, non-critical noise. The Russians have a horrible surprise for the neo conz if they ever get pushed far enough:
http://www.cheniere.org/books/analysis/history.htm
For all reading this, does anyone know if the ussa has this technology? I really don't think think this is disinfo, because there are too many tie-ins, examples, and first-hand observations to discount. Where are the physics PHDs on this?
what about the big freakin' annoucement? that's what I wanna know about.
US muppet says that the US should be killing tens of thousands of Russians, twice, while US troops and equipment stream into Russia's neighbours.
Western world apparently "alarmed" and "concerned" that Russia would respond by putting their armed forces on alert.
Finally.....the propaganda release.
Sooooo....what is all the hardware in Red Square for?
Block Party, Comrade.
Lizards, snakes, rabbits, foxy, and about any other critter passin through in the night.
You mean that fake looking rocket with someones name on it. Rest designated for parade.
What hardware? Link?
rather see proof than smarty remark
I think it's time to ask a very different question. Quo Vadis, Ukraine? Is this meant to be a repeat of the Division of Korea?
Is the Envisioned Splendid Solution going to be a huge park of soldiers and weapons on both sides of a "Green Line"?
what I see is Hegemonistic Powers on both sides trying to capture as much Ukrainian Sovereign Territory as possible under their Spheres of Influence (and one Annex)
what I don't see is any Moral High Ground, on any side. Yes, this includes the EU, in all that, and even a possible future EU Expeditionary Corps, a younger sibling of the US Marine Corps of 1834. But spare me the partisanship for Putin's or Nudelman's sides. Both the US and Russia are very, very mindful of keeping this damn Proxy War as deniable as possible
thanks, but no, thanks. it costs a lot, and it's nothing more then a huge subsidy to several MICs and Mercenary Outfits (<-where do mercs go, when no war is happening?)
a proper Peace Conference has to come and settle the thing before Spring heats the moods of the young warriors again. All sides should start to restrain their hotheads
if this goes on I don't know what to advocate, next. Perhaps an uncharacteristic "Do Something For World Peace, Put A Bullet Into Your Own Warmonger" (<-yes, sarcasm)
come on ghordius, you dont see russia wants a neutral buffer around it? It hasnt swallowed donestk and lugansk though it could with considerable local support. Crimea is a strategically more critical aquisition, but even then russia waited patiently for the people there to vote to go back to the mother country that built the majority of its infrastructure.
If russia was expansionist, it could have Belarus back in a heartbeat. They're being measured. Comparably so compared to 'other nations'. I aint saying theyre saints, but they are clearly responding to aggression, not being the aggressors
sorry, I see aggression on both sides, and covert aggression, to boot. with one "out of the blue" Annexation
Belarus? Wasn't Belarus, which btw is quite a dictatorship, scheduled to join the Eurasian Union, open it's borders to Russia, adopt a shared currency?
the way I read it, even Belarus is getting cold feet. I might be wrong, but this is how the thing looks to me. we'll see how this pans out, but there is risk, there
Look, Russia has It's Reasons. National Interest. fine for me. but I do strongly oppose masked, covert operations on any side, anywhere. they just lead to this kind of Proxy War
sorry if this spoils the narrative of "Somewhere must be a White Hat, among the Black Hats". All Imperialist Grey Hats, imho. As I said, No Moral High Ground In Sight
Describe why Belarus might have cold feet.
for starters, Alexander Grygoryevich Lukashenko, the "better dictator then gay" Dear Leader Of BelaRus, the was not that happy with the Ruble going down
further, Russian news are being critical of him, and he of Russian "policies and interferences" on Ukraine
from his perspective, all that is happening in Ukraine could happen to him, personally. "Don't poke the Bear" is good advice, but not the same as saying "it's a cuddly Teddy Bear"
So more or less -- he fears for his nation's sovereignty, fiscal stability and would rather it be free of outside influence. You are essentially saying "bad on Putin for infringing upon (or the potential therefor) Belarus' sovereignty?"
I think the way you are putting it is a good example of this thing of trying to find "White Hats". where was I placing a "bad" in all this?
isn't the relationship between Belarus and Russia a Belarussian-Russian Affair? I'm just pointing at evidence of this relationship being a bit more strained then before
the root cause for mentioning Belarus was squidpuppet's comment "If russia was expansionist, it could have Belarus back in a heartbeat" after his "you dont see russia wants a neutral buffer around it?"
to which the implied response (perhaps I do have to spell out more) was that the EurAsian Union is more then "having a neutral buffer", and that Belarus might get cold feet
1776 - Common Sense
"Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. Government, like dress, is the badge of lost innocence; the palaces of kings are built upon the ruins of the bowers of paradise."
inane
Luka is playful with the europians..gives them hope
try maidan there and see what happens..
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btw much maligned Belarus has tiny debt...
compare debts: http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock/.
better worry about your own country
You Ghordius talk about Moral High Ground,
that's you who called all people with principles to be hypocrites?
saying european sovereigns should not, ever, do what others do... is hypocritical
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-11/nigel-farage-rages-junckers-eur...
malek, here the definition of hypocrisy
1. a pretense of having a virtuous character, moral or religious beliefs orprinciples, etc., that one does not really possess.
2. a pretense of having some desirable or publicly approved attitude.
So now tell us where you have more virtous character, moral, or principles than your critics including me (because it's all just pretense for us critics, you seem to imply.)
malek, I am not pretending to have the moral high ground myself, I am saying that nobody in this mess has it
further, I am not saying anything here in order to get approval. a quick look on the downvotes should be enough to see that I am anything but "approved", here
now explain to me why my call for a peace conference is that badly taken, please
No, you're only talking down all other standpoints, to the level of "all are equally bad", so it doesn't matter and you can righteously ignore their details
and then come up with "new" approaches or solution attempts ignoring all history, and then accusing all critics, who point out the shortsightedness/foolishness of your proposals, as hypocrites.
It's all good.
I mean "Something must be done!", if in doubt anything would do, doesn't really matter what exactly, right?
so you prefer partisanship. correct?
Lots of Crimean recent background here. My guess the FSB is leaking archive material.
How Stalin played the Americans with the "Crimean California" projecthttp://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/03/how-stalin-played-americans-with.ht...
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A peace conference. Right. Listen---nothing short of the violent regime change the banksters prescribe for all who defy them will remove their threat to Russian sovereignty. This doesn't end till they're driven from Frankfurt by Russian tanks.
You may or may not have noticed that the Russians are the only ones who've ever kept their end of "peace treaties" with the banksters. The banksters never keep theirs. They'll keep on trying to get rid of Russia until Russia gets rid of them.
are you serious? then why are you using all those pre-made word bites?
is Russian Sovereignty or Russian Hegemony Over It's Neighbours that we are talking about?
is Russian Annexation of Crimea your first example of how Russia keeps it's ends of treaties?
both sides have ripped off a lot of solemn promises and treaties to a country that based it's disposal of nuclear weapons on them. claiming "bankers" in this very military thing is imho a bit off
I feel perfectly comfortable in my criticism of both Nuland and Putin and the Ukrainian Government and the Separatists and lots of semi-involved bystanders
I ask for a Peace Treaty, now, and an end of this pseudo-partisanship for completely different causes (lke in the banksters')
Ghordius
I think you are a us centric troll trying to appear to be 'reasonable' and not succeding Lesson 1. You are not it seems, aware of the fact that Russia has been in the Crimea for over 300 years, the vast majority of people are of Russian descent and of course speak Russian. These same people voted via referendum to retain their allegiance with and asked Russia to incorparate them within the Russian Federation. The Duma voted on and ratified that request. Lesson 2 An international treatie permits Russia to have 20,000 millitary personnel in Crimea at any one time. It is also a fact that Russia adheres to Internationa treaties whereas the us does not, for example, us warships are only allowed to stay in the black sea for a limited period but violate that agreement and further enhance tensions, now, whose being the beligerent here.
No matter what you and your washington fascists think or say, more and more people are realising the truth and they will not be fighting and dying in any more wars for the hegemonic ambitions of the us. Face up to that fact that the us has had its day just as all the other Empire dreamers had.
amazing
first, I am european. second, I am a continental european. third, I'm an eurozoner. fourth, my point of view is eurocentric
but no, I am a troll, and a US-Centric, to boot
further, I am asking for a peace conference, now
but no, because my argumentation is not fully pro-Russian, look what kind of responses I am getting. I can only say: amazing
(and stop putting "Russia fully respecting treaties" in the same sentence with Crimea)
I too would like to see a peace conference, and a real peace. Thousands need not have died.
But this might end up with all of Donetsk and Lugansk becoming autonomous, which Kiev would not accept right now.
I don't think the Ukranians will give up until they are decisively defeated. Have they moved their artillery yet?
I wouldn't be surprised to see yet another post-ceasefire offensive.
The only thing that might change this is if the Volunteer Battalions head to Kiev first.
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Well, sort of...
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/134264.html
http://cassad-eng.livejournal.com/139692.html
As Billy Preston might say, "will it go 'round in circles".
Crimea seceded
and then the Russian Federation called for an Independent Crimea, and refrained from passing an Act of Annexation in the Russian Duma?
Vlad was at another Peace Conference the last 10 days, as I expected, and the official and social media was nicely directed to look for him EVERYWHERE but where he really was:
In SOCHI. Having a very good time...
Having tactical meetings with the likes of Natalia Poklonskaya. Hey, it's winter, it's Olympic Sochi, he's a billionaire, etc. And you wanna bet that his Secret Service guys were having a "good time" also, since having sex with attractive women is not a sin or crime in Russia? There, it's worthy of smirks, nods, winks or high fives -- as un-PC as this is in gay USSA.
If Obama can be off golfing, Bush was at Crawford Ranch (WH2) every other week, then he too can be off for a week or so, for some R&R. Duh!
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When you consider that the division of Korea was an American idea, it seems a likely plan B.
That would be the Envisioned American Solution.
Try viewing it without your Red Threat® shaded sunglasses.
Still resorting to that tired old canard? Repeating it won't make it any less untrue.
That's one of the hazards of not looking too closely.
When one side started the problems, continues to add petrol to the fire, and tries to undermine any efforts at finding a peaceful solution, and the other side has been trying to prevent bloodshed via diplomacy (even while being slandered as Hitler du jour), is it partisanship to point this out?
So why do you assist the US/EU in diluting their responsibility by your claims of all sides being equally guilty? Partisanship?
The moods of the "young warriors"? Aside from the Azov battalion, Aidar battalion, and Pravoseki death squads, the shit stirring has been done by the (C)old warriors.
Never heard of Sergey Lavrov? Perhaps the hothead side should be restrained by their EU "allies".
what is about the Annexation of Crimea an "old canard"? and what "Red Threat"?
"...the other side has been trying to prevent bloodshed via diplomacy (even while being slandered as Hitler du jour), is it partisanship to point this out? "
you believe that, don't you? well, in this case my call for more diplomacy should not disturb you
Ghordo --
What would you consider a *fair* solution to what is going on in Ukraine?
there is no such thing as "fair" in any peace settlement. there is only war or peace. and peace is either not-lasting or lasting. I prefer the last sort
what I would find fair is to see those leaders at a peace conference, with a good cease-fire to underline the effort
There already was a "peace conference" this year. There was one last year also. Kiev is obligated to make certain constitutional changes, linguistic & local autonomy and whatnot, and has no intention of doing so.
Russia repeatedly stated that they prefer a loosely federated neutral Ukraine. They ignored the eastern province referendums to leave Ukraine. Mordor wants to use Ukraine to destabilize Russia. A quasi-independent Russophile east is totally unacceptable to them, so their puppets will keep attacking Donetsk and Lugansk. Those provinces may be unwilling to be ruled by Kiev at this point, regardless of the wishes of Kiev or Moscow. It will end when one side is defeated, or Mordor tells their puppets to stop.
actually, when Tolkien wrote about Mordor, it was in the East, not in the West. he'd be astonished about this shift in his narrative
best answer of the bunch, btw, +1
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I thought the term canard was more accurate than calling it a myth.
canard: a false or baseless, usually derogatory story, report, or rumor.
Sevastopol and the Autonomous Republic of Crimea (yes, they are two separate entities) seceded from the Ukraine. This was decided by the Sevastopol City Council and the Crimean Parliament.
A referendum was originally scheduled for May 25th, 2014. In response to the deteriorating situation in Ukraine, on March 6th, 2014, it was announced that the referendum would be held on March 16, 2014. On March 11, 2014, in a joint resolution, Sevastopol and Crimea adopted a declaration of independence. This is called a secession, not an annexation.
In case you don't remember, after the Ukrainian government was violently overthrown (and before the March 16, 2014 referendum), thousands of Ukrainian soldiers stationed in Crimea switched sides and pledged allegiance to the Crimean (not Russian) authorities.
On March 18, 2014, following the results of the referendum, Sevastopol and Crimea acceded to the Russian Federation. Accession is not annexation.
Of course, for those who are trying to blur the truth (or simply don't care about the details), it's easier to say "annexation of Crimea" than to provide a detailed explanation. As I pointed out on Friday, this is the same technique used by those who trot out the older by several years "polonium tea" canard.
Well, when you say things like
it indicates that you are not seeing clearly, hence the allusion to rose colored sunglasses. Hegemonic powers capturing territory sounds very Cold Warrish. The whole Ukrainian crisis was precipitated by the US and the EU. Whether consciously or not, you are attempting to dilute the responsibility of the US and EU by grouping Russia with them. (BTW, I think I finally understand what AnAnonymous was going on about when referring to the US and other US citizen nations.)
The question still hangs.
Based on what I've seen and read, yes. If you have any credible evidence to the contrary, I'd be glad to consider it. If it's convincing, I'll even change my mind.
I welcome it. Good luck getting the US of A and the various US citizen nations of the EU to go along with it.
"Hegemonic powers capturing territory sounds very Cold Warrish"
no, it sounds like standard history. it sounds like the 19th Century, and the 18th before it, and the 17th before it, and so on
"On March 18, 2014, following the results of the referendum, Sevastopol and Crimea acceded to the Russian Federation. Accession is not annexation."
no. the exact thing was that they asked the Russian Federation for access. To which the Russian Duma legislated an Act. You can call it Accession Act instead of Annexation Act, if you want, fact is that Russia did legislate to increase it's territory at the expenses of existing treaties
and this, my friend, is the sore tooth of the thing. who has the rose colored glasses, here? Did the Russian Duma have to accept this accession? No. In fact, it could even have taken some time for it, and debate it for a long time, and even have put that on the Peace Treaty table as a point. And this did break several treaties on the matter
then only because a sovereign is temporarily incapacitated or had a violent coup, and soldiers are switching alliances, and all that... for the concept of Westphalian Sovereignty it's all irrelevant, and does not give the right to a different sovereign to grab a province, even a willing province. (yes, I'm bringing the eurocentric point of view. yes, I am not seeing it the way the US usually does)
if Crimea had declared independence... it would be a different thing
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"On March 11, 2014, in a joint resolution, Sevastopol and Crimea adopted a declaration of independence."
It is a different thing. I'm glad that you finally see it that way.
interestingly, when the US joined the Old World Order, (based on Westphalian Sovereignty) it started to insist on the right of colonies to become independent
and so a small historic perspective on the whole NovoRussyia thing: we are talking here of Russian... colonies. New Russia, Sibiria, the Far East, etc.
you claim the "American Prerogative" of Crimea to become independent, and Mother Russia claimed the "Old Colonial Prerogative" of snatching up it's little baby and hugging it
(I imagine an Empress Catherine the Great doing that, and barely noting the tickle of the beards of the Crimean Tatars on her bosom)
because this is just one little thing that escapes many: Russia was a colonial power like the others, like France, England, Spain, Turkey, etc.
the only difference between Russia and the others is that sailing was not necessary. Russian could walk or ride to their New Russia
so according to your logic, France could think about snatching back it's old colonies, with similar methods. How about Spain reconquering South America?
would you be comfortable with all the Old Powers grabbing one little lost baby after the other? New England? "New France", i.e. the Louisiana Purchase?
it's a Brave Old World that opens in front of us
Ghordius, arguing with himself, said
Been taking sophistry lessons from chindit13? Nice strawsman. I did not write something like that and you introduced it in order to demolish your own point.
"if Crimea had declared independence... it would be a different thing"
--Ghordius
I claimed that Sevastopol and Crimea declared independence on March 11, 2014, prior to their accession to the Russian Federation on March 18, 2014. This is a fact easily checked, even on the US-biased wikipedia.
Irrelevancy and offuscation. Falling back to strawsman arguments when cornered. How US citizenish of you.
No, useless to put words in my mouth. I meant what I meant. But hey, putting words in others' mouth is cheap propaganda, and US citizens are high on cheap propaganda.
You have been taking sophistry lessons from chindit13. His drama queenery is seeping through.
My points have nothing to do with history, colonization, or westphalian theoretics. It's a simple matter of right and wrong, accepting the truth, and standing against the slaughter of humanity.
Would you like to know a terrible little secret about yourself? You, and the EU, have picked the wrong side. The scorched earth future you face will not be Russia's doing. It will be at the hands of the monster that you and your masters in Vichy DC (who will betray you) created.
Read this, if you dare:
http://slavyangrad.org/2015/03/12/what-does-putin-want/
What you fail to understand, but your masters in Vichy DC understand quite clearly, is that Russia benefits from peace. Unfortunately, this realization will not come to you until Europe has self immolated.
"Would you like to know a terrible little secret about yourself? You, and the EU, have picked the wrong side. The scorched earth future you face will not be Russia's doing. It will be at the hands of the monster that you and your masters in Vichy DC (who will betray you) created."
That "monster" is the victor of two world wars. Now, considering that most of my family's earlier components fought and lost against that "monster"... and Russia...
... I'd say you don't really understand neither the French nor the German nor the Italian nor the Austrian nor several other EU country positions on all this
we don't like what we seeing lately West of us. we like even less what we are seeing East of us
I have read the article. makes... patriotic sense. asks for NovoRussyia to come back to the Rodina
did you read the article? here a small quotation:
"Europe cannot confront the US, but it is mortally afraid of burning Ukraine. Therefore, for the first time during the conflict Hollande and Merkel are not just trying to sabotage the US demands (introducing sanctions but trying not to implement them), but are also venturing a minimum of independent action, trying to achieve at least some compromise; if not peace, then at least a truce in the Ukraine.
If the Ukrainian arena flares up, it will burn out quickly, and the EU will become an unreliable partner; if it is not ready to go over to the camp of Russia, then at least it should take a neutral position. Washington, as part of its strategy, will be forced to incinerate Europe as well."
"a proper Peace Conference has to come and settle the thing"
Well, that's easy to say, isn't it? Would you care to be a bit more specific...perhaps point to a historical example of a Peace Conference that settled things.
May I just add that your constant cynicism regarding Crimea is not very helpful for this "peace process". The only Peace Conference that would settle Crimea in a different way than it is settled now is the one that would exclude defeated Russian Federation...something that is not going to happen without nukes flying first.
As for moral high ground, how exactly do you think that Russia should have responded to an obvious proxy attack by "the west". The fact that both sides are using plausible deniability tactics doesn't really say much. It's mostly pro forma. The essence, however, is that Russians are:
a) protecting the security of their own borders (i.e. being defensive) by not allowing their agressive adversaries to have an easy foothold in the immediate neighbourhood
b) supporting a democratic principle of self-determination, while "the west" is pursuing some imaginary sovereignty, a principle that they themselves have breached on numerous occasions.
I do see that Crimea is something that many here labour to shove on the side of "unassailable positions"
but while your response is of superiour quality, I can't see where a) Russian borders were in question (instead of Russian sphere of influence)
a good answer to b) would need a huge recap. on the matter of sovereignty vs self-determination... I have to agree that my point of view is indeed eurocentric
which would actually lead me to the Peace of Westphalia, wouldn't it?
all in all, I see a Pro-Russian faction here on ZH that does not like to hear my call for a peace conference, now. this as such is an interesting fact, and leads me to make my own conclusions. thank you all, over and out
Look, I believe what the West is doing is absolutely ridiculous, but Putin putting troops on the border isnt going to do him any favors. The he said she said bullshit. He should mobilize but keep shit close to home, that way really no one can claim shit against him. Just my two cents. Keep the ball in the Wests court to come up with some excuse to invade Russia or Ukraine, dont give them a photo op to plaster all over the media.
Are you being serious right now?
amazing, the current mood here on ZH. the article is about Putin putting 40'000 troops on Full Alert, he just thinks that he'd be better adviced not to put them at the borders...
... and you ask if he is being serious.
akak, can you read me? You were right
So you believe we also do or would see articles here every time the US, UK, France, or China put their troops on full alert in a drill exercise?
Bonus question: what percentage of overall Russian troops is 40,000?
(Update: oh look, Ghordius is actually Swiss - or is it just a false trail?)
Even more alarming Motasaurus, are that Russians watch american media. God help them.
Yesterday Jack Burton posted this bit, for which I'd like to see a web link (since the web pages of the „Israel National News“ suck, from the IT perspective)...
Sun, 03/15/2015 - 14:38 | 5891676 Jack Burton Vote up! 9 Vote down! -1
The extremist right-wing Israeli newspaper „Israel National News“ published an opinion piece on Tuesday in which it called for Israel to attack Germany and Iran with nuclear bombs. The article claims that only through the nuclear annihilation of Germany and Iran, with 20 or 30 nuclear bombs, can Israelis prevent destruction of the state.
„If Israel does not follow the way of the Torah, it will be almost completely destroyed by a severe punishment and only a few will survive“ writes Chen Ben-Eliyahu, the author of the piece, in Hebrew.
Israel must respond in kind in order to prevent this. “We must answer an existential threat with an existential threat”; he writes, “not with speeches to the US-Congress. We must make it clear to the Iranians that Israel will wipe out their nuclear program and Teheran and Isfahan as well.
US Troops now actively guarding not US soil, but goal-seeking derivatives pricing, most importantly, the pensions of high-ranking generals. This should end well.
I wondered why all the lights been turned off over there.
Vlad is Back!
Hoorah!
Peace still has a chance!
Actually a covert operation by the CIA was to abduct Putin and replace him with an imposter that will play the hand of the US military. That explains the 40,000 troop rediness.
This way the us gvt can portray Putin as the bad guy and justify launching WWIII. All in an effort to preserve Uhmarikahs freedoms..
Congratulations on your baby girl Putin.. now back to kicking Obama's ass at geopolitical chess..
Men like Putin don't "need a break". Especially not while all the players are maneuvering for the culmination and endgame of the Babylonian debt enslavement system we've been under for the last few thousand years.
He's had his break, no golf. Back to work.
http://nypost.com/2015/03/15/swiss-media-reveals-more-about-putins-girlf...
Now that's a girlfriend! She makes you know who look like a petrified battle axe.
Reggie: Why so happy today, Munchkins?
Barrie: Uhh, err, no reason. It's a nice day.
Reggie: It's because your boyfriend is back, isn't it, you bitch?
Barrie: What boyfriend? You're my one and only, Reg!
Reggie: Don't lie to me, Barrie. I found your secret scrapbook of Putin photos.
Barrie: Those were Intel briefs, Reg. Damn, you are sooo jealous. C'mere.
Reggie: No.
Putin: The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated. Russian Army heat em up!!!!!!
Jason Bourne, WE NEED YOU
pfft. Send in some one with knowledge and attitude.
Jarret, you're up.
I didn't realize how much I liked that guy until I thought he was gone. If Obama fell off the planet there would be parties all across America and the world.
Oh....hell yes!
The obvious downside is Biden, Boehner, Hatch.................................
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_line_of_succession
Why stop at just one falling of the face of the earth? If all 17 on that list fell off the face of the earth, does that mean we can dissolve the Federal government?
First time his name caught my attention was when he got rid of the casinos, first in Moscow, then throughout Russia. He didn't take them over, he got rid of them! Talk about making enemies.
Crimea/Ukraine is just the latest gambit in the plan to retake Russia.
BTW, I've posted this before and would like some feedback. It explains a lot about how pissed of the hegemons are at losing NovoKhazaria. It's been in the works for at least 100 years.
How Stalin played the Americans with the "Crimean California" projecthttp://fortruss.blogspot.com/2015/03/how-stalin-played-americans-with.ht...
10 days seems like a fair amount of time to make final war preparations, and get all of the affairs of continuation of government plans in order and relocate family to remote locations.
Putin is meeting with the Kyrgyz president? Is Manas AFB still open there? A major jump off point for NATO forces in Central Asia entering/exiting Afghanistan. Perhaps they were discussing that or they were having a meeting of Shanghai cooperation organization (SCO )member nations which everyone especially the media over looks. The SCO is a joint security organization similar to NATO.
Some members Russia, China, Iran,Syria, Pakistan and many of the former soviet STAN republics Kyrgyzstan being one of them.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shanghai_Cooperation_Organisation
Transit time for an undetectable russian sub launched hypersonic nuke to DC, Manhattan = < 1 minute.
but they won't. Thats what the Zionists want, not the American or the Russian people. Always the Zionist ploy. Blow each other up and we'll step up to the plate in refinancing. WWI + WII all Rothschild wars! WWIII is scehduled to be but enlightened people have other ideas!
agreed that's what they want, and we hope they won't.
But....the PNAC revolutionaries plan is to leave Putin with no other choice. He's getting the Saddam Hussein, Bashar Assad treatment.
So the plan is that after the US and Russia destroy each other, the ZWO comes forward with their new world bank/government as a solution, and they have achieved their 300 old year objective of world domination of the sub human donkeys via control of the money and media.
300 years?
I thought that was why the Babylonians sent them back home.
They were making moves on the joint.
OT;from the atlantic.com.. Jews should leave Europe is the main theme. Ghordius knows well the roots and history:
"Today, right-wing fascist strains of Jew-hatred are merging with a new threat from radicalized Islamists, confronting Europe with a crisis, and its Jews with an agonizing choice."
one quote from the article is that for jews it would be easier if the attacks in France were done by "Whites" they are an easy target for the left, sadly for the author the french attacks were done by semitics, who the left cannot attack ..wonder why?
Really?
Is that why Obama is overthrowing Bibi in today's Israel elections?
Obama is placing a libtard in his place.
Then he will divide Jerusalem.
Obama aint' no Zionist
He is a Muslim
He is the man of darkness
You have been deceived into thinking Israel is the problem
Zionist, as you call them, do not tell Obama what to do.
funniest post I've read in weeks.
I'd be a lot happier in general if I could be this ignorant again.
Obama is financing opposition groups to Netanyahu. And Kerry today said we would negotiate with Assad, only because Netanyahu said Assad had to go yesterday. Is Black Rage really a legit foreign policy?
These guys work in the Artic. Can't wait to see an attempt for NATO to go there.
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He after the Jews?
He's after the khazars who claim to be semites who staged a coup and installed a bloodthirsty neo nazi regime next door who are waging a holocaust in eastern ukraine.
Paris ain’t gonna fall this time.
Vaporized and leveled, possibly.
Technically I judge you correct.
Fun Facts, i commend your ability to render years of mainstream news propaganda inert with one succinct sentence.
The Khazars converted to Judaism in the 9th C AD (from memory). If they are semitic, then so is my Aunty.
Good to see you got the E-Mails , Vlad.
The "stroke" narrative was wierd. We need a political gossip channel like E! for all this stuff.
"Is Vlad like gonna send a bunch of troops and stuff to Ukraine? So false. He is waiting out his like Defense Minister's return home from Venezuela."
That's his double. Putin is 6'1" 210 lbs. That guy looks 5' 8" 155 lbs.
War is indeed coming. I say by August
Putin...
Are you invading the Ukraine?
Again?
I still listen to this song with a tear on occaision:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roads_to_Moscow
http://www.lyricsmode.com/lyrics/a/al_stewart/roads_to_moscow.html
Great song!
Looks like he's put on a little weight.
dupe
Putin Orders Northern Fleet to Full Alert for Combat Readiness Drills
Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20150316/1019541658.html#ixzz3UYGuOeBY
http://sputniknews.com/military/20150316/1019541658.html#ixzz3UX3yOLVb
In the meantime how do we think he'll get along with Tzipi?
http://rt.com/news/240921-us-masterminds-ukraine-putin/