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Putin Warns "We Were Ready" To Use Nukes To Secure Crimea
Having re-emerged from his hibernation, Vladimir Putin is wasting no time getting back to business. Having paced 40,000 troops on "snap-readiness," AP reports that a documentary which aired last night shows Putin explaining that Russia was ready to bring its nuclear weapons into a state of alert during last year's tensions over the Crimean Peninsula and the overthrow of Ukraine's president, and admitted well-armed forces in unmarked uniforms who took control of Ukrainian military facilities in Crimea were Russian soldiers. In the documentary, which marks a year since the referendum, Putin says of the nuclear preparedness, "We were ready to do this ... (Crimea) is our historical territory. Russian people live there. They were in danger. We cannot abandon them."
Russia was ready to bring its nuclear weapons into a state of alert during last year's tensions over the Crimean Peninsula and the overthrow of Ukraine's president, President Vladimir Putin said in remarks aired on Sunday.
Putin also expanded on a previous admission that the well-armed forces in unmarked uniforms who took control of Ukrainian military facilities in Crimea were Russian soldiers.
Putin's comments, in a documentary being shown on state TV, highlight the extent to which alarm spread in Russia in the weeks following Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych's ouster in February 2014 after months of street protests that turned increasingly violent.
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In the documentary, which marks a year since the referendum, Putin says of the nuclear preparedness, "We were ready to do this ... (Crimea) is our historical territory. Russian people live there. They were in danger. We cannot abandon them."
The comments were reported on the state broadcaster's website after its transmission in the Russian Far East and before it appeared on the air in Moscow.
Putin said his plans for a Crimean operation started after Yanukovych fled.
"We never thought about severing Crimea from Ukraine until the moment that these events began, the government overthrow," he said, repeating Russia's contention that Yanukovych was the victim of a coup.
He said he called for a "closed opinion poll" of sentiments among Crimeans about whether to remain in Ukraine. He didn't give details as to how this survey was conducted, but said "it became clear that 75 percent of the general population desired to join Russia."
Russia initially denied that the unmarked forces who took control in Crimea were Russian, but Putin later admitted they were. In the Sunday documentary, he said he ordered the defense ministry to deploy military intelligence special forces, marines and paratroopers "under the cover of strengthening the protection of our military facilities."
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It appears the situation remains just 'dangerous' for eastern Ukrainians and thus, one can possibly infer, Putin remains 'ready' to use nukes if pressed.
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We can't abandon them so we will drop nukes near them and "save" them.
Brilliant -
Stupid comment.
Look, I get that everyone here loves Putin. Nobody loves watching him outmaneuver moribund Eurocrats or that blithering idiot, Obama, more than I do- it's hugely entertaining. But this talk about using nukes is seeming to flow from his mouth on a semi-regular basis lately. I doubt there's another world leader we would tolerate talking about that subject in such a cavalier way.
Does he fell legitimately threatened? Yes. Does he have a right to feel that way after we fucked around in Ukraine (roughly equivalent to if Russia supported the overthrow of the Canadian government)? Yes. Do you start talking about using nukes openly and repeatedly because of it? I'm not so sure that's OK.
I expect to get buried in red ink on this one, but I couldn't just sit quietly any more without saying I've got some serious misgivings about all this.
Of course, that is OK. Putin just makes clear, that in the next war each US-city will be nuked. Not just European, Russian or Chinese cities. But each US-city as well. Tell this the US-NeoCons that they don't forget what they are doing, like Mad John and the like...
Putin makes this statement not in Fear or as a Threat - but as Rational Justice for the USA as the Empire of Chaos shielded from harm by two Oceans that were a gift from God which allows them to destroy humans and environments throughout the world with impunity because they think they are safe!
This focus on US cities allows the Congress and the Poseur as POTUS to recognize that will be the end game for the USA - complete anniliation!
The Beloved Leader in the North Korea has taught the world about how to treat the ...........USA - Nukes first and last if you make the wrong move
Da fuq up votes this kind of rambling nonsense?
Nukes would be somewhat useless in a Crimea engagement. Battlefield nukes are great for destroying a tank brigade, would be overkill for an at sea engagement. Putin is just saying in simple terms that he is serious about not getting screwed with.
No Debt in reply to your statement. I think we have seen the neo cons call for Russians in body bags many times. NATO is pushing to Russia's borders and creating instability. What is Putin supposed to tell, them, he has told them many times no but they dont seem to understand. I would say he in more than entitled now to mention nukes to keep the American Neo Con dogs of war at bay. What is Russia supposed to do, Roll Over for dollar hegemony and go into slavery. F That.
if israelis could have kept russia out of crimea, the oil and gas off the coast of gaza and syria would have easily been israels. Now, still a problem. LOTS of suffering and deaths as a result of that gas being discovered offshore.
Wait, where is the video of him saying this? Is it on Youtube or something?
I don't trust the AP, as they have openly lied in the past. What makes this any different as we all know that the AP is the Zionist political mouthpiece.
If you did not get it, Putin was about to launch nukes to USA and major NATO counties.
Bu only if that guided-missile destroyer USS Donald Cook which was near Cremea that time tried to land the troops or hit any Russia military facilities there. There was a NATO post in Cremea guiding the destroyer
You mean the one that ran away, tail between its legs, after a Russian plane disabled its Aegis system and performed multiple demo bomb runs over it? That a good part of the crew tried to desert from soon after? Reportedly. I don't claim to know the truth. But I'm told no American ships have been anywhere near Russia/Crimea since. Possibly with very good reason.
A better outcome than nuked cities, I would think. I really do hope the story was true.
Whatever about disabling the Aegis system, the idea that the crew tried to desert or were scared s***less is absurd. In fact, such a claim adds no credibility to the overall story of an electronic attack on the ship.
1. 28 officers resigned their commissions when the Donald Duck came back home
2. Icky Vicki threatened Lavrov not to do that ever again
dup
Are you new here? It's full of ruskie trolls. putin paid trolls
lol...at times it looks like Zero Kremlin.
"Russia was ready to bring its nuclear weapons into a state of alert during last year's tensions over the Crimean Peninsula and the overthrow of Ukraine's president, and admitted well-armed forces in unmarked uniforms who took control of Ukrainian military facilities in Crimea were Russian soldiers."
Well duuuh ;-)
Yeah, you're right, it's not really news:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/03/ukraine-sitrep-march-8-1629-es...
I suppose the Russophobe contingent will continue to bleat about this Russian "aggression", conveniently forgetting that the Crimean authorities had requested this Russian assistance. Still, it was nice that the Russian government admitted it, since there's no longer any reason to keep quiet about it.
I wonder how long it will be before the US government comes clean with what it knows about MH17. Don't hold your breath, because it could be awhile.
But hey, just a little more than 48 years to go and they'll unseal the files on the JFK assassination. Better late than never, right?
As a point of order, I said he & they were lying at the very time they were, in fact, lying. So by admitting that it was a lie all along (which at some point he had to do anyways as the bodies kept piling up back home) the admitted liar is obviously the perfect one to represent Russia in the commencement of peace talks, because he is so truthy...lol.
Right.
I don't like this KGB son-of-bitch, I never have, you know how I feel about him, he's short, balding, with beady little eyes just like Napolean ;-)
"bodies kept piling up back home"
WFT are you talking about? Nobody died in Crimea.
As for Polite Man in Green being the Russian sodiers...well, duuuh is correct answer.
I didn't say the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor did I, so why did you? This isn't about the Crimea.
But more to the actual point I'm making, before you threw the rotting red herring down in front of me...
"bodies kept piling up back home"
WFT are you talking about?
Bring it up with Anatoly Starostin and his soldiers who are no doubt based in Siberia by now:
http://www.newsweek.com/2014/09/19/russian-soldiers-reveal-truth-behind-putins-secret-war-269227.html
The Russian dead, unceremoniously dumped, in a hole, in their hometown, at night.
This is what you support?
Oh, do go and read this article again and your own post that started this exchange...and than come back and tell me how this isn't about Crimea.
Never heard of this Anatoly Starostin guy (talk about red herrings) and I don't consider newsweek as reliable source of information.
Did Putin "admit" to that, too?
>>>I don't consider newsweek as reliable source of information.
You got that right.
"Newsweek" was once the near-equal of Time in terms of mainstream media credibility. Those day are long gone.
Stooging knows I'm factual to a T.
He (and the article) was commenting on Crimea, I clearly was looking long range FROM CRIMEA and what it would mean and is in the east of Ukraine.
As far as your insistance on Crinea goes, does "admitted >>>well-armed forces in unmarked uniforms<<< who took control of Ukrainian military facilities >>>in Crimea were Russian soldiers<<<" have any relevence at all in your mind to "fair elections" or are you daft?
Even if they all voted FOR Russian alliance without the "well armed forces being Russian soliers in the Crimea" there is still the fact you did have "well armed Russian soldiers" hanging around the ballot box in a foreign nation which leads to credibilty issues with the vote itself.
What the hell is wrong with you?
The Newspeak article is interesting in reporting Russian dead flown home at night without publicity. Only time I'd seen that. Is it that Russia has taken lessons from the USSA practices? Or is it that US media ascribes to Russia the crap that we do? As a libertarian, I don't really care as I say we should just back off and mind our own business. Aren't you supposed to be libertarian, too, nmewn?
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I gladly concede that point. Correct me if I'm wrong (wouldn't be the first time), but I don't believe I've ever disagreed with you that the 'polite men' were flown in on helicopters. I mean, hell, there's even video of it:
http://vineyardsaker.blogspot.com/2014/02/what-really-happened-overnight...
Uhhhh....what? Bodies from Crimea kept piling up back home? First time I've heard that one. Is there any credible supporting evidence you can point to?
How lucky we are in the good old US of A to have honest politicians who would never lie* about anything important. That's why the whole world wants to be like us and yearns to live under US Style Democracy® (ask for it by name!).
*The whole Iraqi WMD thing, Iranian atom bomb program, and Syrian chemical weapon attacks on their own people are just 'alternate realities'. Just like 'alternate lifestyles', we have to be tolerant and accepting of alternate realities. It's for the cheeldren.
It takes courage to admit to our irrational fears. I respect that, and salute you for taking the first step toward overcoming them. I'm sure that Obamacare has some sort of program to assist you in this glorious struggle. ;-)
"Correct me if I'm wrong (wouldn't be the first time), but I don't believe I've ever disagreed with you that the 'polite men' were flown in on helicopters."
Never said you did. I also never saw you correct any of the bullshit coming out of RT (the Kremlin) saying it was untrue either, until now. Maybe I missed it?
"Uhhhh....what? Bodies from Crimea kept piling up back home? First time I've heard that one."
You said Crimea, I never did. You know as well as I Crimea was the first move, then the eastern part of Ukraine.
"How lucky we are in the good old US of A to have honest politicians who would never lie* about anything important. That's why the whole world wants to be like us and yearns to live under US Style Democracy® (ask for it by name!)."
Biden, Obama etal certainly has Central America believing that, wouldn't you agree?
"It takes courage to admit to our irrational fears."
There is a quirk in my personality I must admit, I fear no man.
Maybe thats irrational on my part but it is what it is ;-)
There are people out there who are less than satisfied with US foreign policy. That's about the blandest description I can come up with.
Are these people wrong? If they aren't wrong then there must be somebody willing to stand their ground and oppose it right? Who?
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But my good sir, I thought it was obvious. After all, the article at the Saker's site that I linked to above provided a detailed and compelling case as to why Putin had to be lying when he denied that he'd sent the 'polite men' to Crimea.
(BTW, I hope you aren't asking me to correct the bullshit from RT. I know they generate some, as all media do, even Newsweek. If I see some used in a ZH article, no matter the source, I will at least do my best to point it out.)
Given the context of the article, then, I must politely call non sequitur.
I apologize for not being more clear in my writing. By US-Style Democracy, I meant the hand-picked puppet authoritarians placed in positions of authority after a US-sponsored regime change. Central America has been blessed with those for well over a century.
As for immigrants to the US from those areas, Biden, Obama, and the rest of the gang of crooks are certainly doing their best to make things worse. Of course, the US-backed dictatorships which ruled via death squads under Bush (both pappy and son), Clinton, Reagan, and every other president back to McKinley and Teddy Roosevelt (and probably further), turning life there into a living hell, played no small part in emigration from Central America.
I didn't mean to imply that you fear Putin the man. I do believe that your thinking is still somewhat influenced by the Cold War propaganda that we were all indoctrinated with. I don't mean that as a criticism of you, either. You're clearly intelligent, and if propaganda could be defeated by intelligence alone, you'd be immune to it. It took me a long time to realize how much I thought I knew simply wasn't true, and it's still an ongoing process.
The thing that I resent the most about the torrent of propaganda that emanates from DC is its relentless effort to stamp out every last vestige of empathy. I've had to make a conscious effort to regain and rebuild this capacity, and I still have work to do.
Peace, bro.
you are all over the place...
lot of hard opinion for subject you don't know.
media dumb you down much?
Fact is Russia has subsidized Ukraine US 250B since Soviet defunct.
To help brotherly people in spite of their criminal alien governments looting the country.
Yanuk was least of these, his clan mild compared to the non Slav "Red" mafiya
Is how he was elected, lesser evil of choices, simple thief with garish tastes...Others far bigger thieves and killers.
Unfortunately outside interferences have result Ukraine is failed state.
No legitimate government.
Through it all, I never spoke ill of the Russian or Ukrainian people. I'll leave you with the simple fact that patriotism and nationalism is a very dangerous thing in the hands of the wrong people.
It is from this stance that I can criticize Obama & Putin in the very same breath with the same clarity and venom, their abuse of pride, trust, dignity, integrity or any positive attribute and the turning of it into the negative makes them who they really are.
You will come to understand this with these types of "leaders" at some point as well, simply stated, neither of these two narcissists really care if you or I live or die.
And thats a fact.
Yeah similar to voting for politicans
better worry about your own country
yet another lie I caught you in. These solders were already in Crimea, they didnt have to come in.
We have been catching and disproving your lies since 1990, ever since the first Iraq war where the girl of the ambassodor was coached to lie infront of the UN how she saw the Iraiqi solders taking babies out of the incubators.
You insolent shills have no shame. But dont you worry, your time is coming. Keep on Pushing Putin and you WILL find yoruself a smoldering pile of radioactive shit. He is warnign you loud and clear.
Damned. I'm supposed to get paid for this?
Putin, I'd like the cash in a russian bank, with a PRO-100 and a Union Pay card for access. Denominate it in Rubles, since they are on sale right now, and the fundamentals are a heck of a lot better than the US Dollar.
This newsoutlet guy, as a part of the Kiev Kartofel Korps, gets paid with a potato.
Putin pays me in gold coins.
Have Chocula make a counter offer.
No Uki shit scrip. I don't want to get a hernia carrying away a garbage truck full of hyrniva to just buy a candy bar.
I'm for sale. But I ain't cheap
No Yellen Green Ultra plush either
Its rigged as soon as you down vote it adds a plus 1 upvote.
Note this rigging is only in this thread it seems not in others.
I think the larger plot everyone is missing is
- Putin straight up admitted he broke Budapest; that's a go directly to Jail like Slobodan, do not pass GO, you have lost your right to the nuclear card in much the same way a market dealer loses his creds if he is found to be violating/front running his fudi duties to his clients. No grey area on this in international law, nor in the agreement.
- Putin willingly sent troops to invade a country, which is a stark contrast to Georgia and even the various provincial flashpoints where he at least pretended that irregulars or 'volunteers' were not acting on his orders, and that the US/ZOG were trying to paint him into a false narrative. That has thrown the entire ZH, alt-media story on how Putin was being maligned under the bus.
- By Putin placing a date and a time on the event, he either is hoping that by admitting guilt in war crimes the EU will let him off the hook or b.) he is straight up calling the EU & NATO bluff, that much like Saddam & Gadaffi before him, the world will let him keep his kingdom vs. going to the wall for Donetsk, or enforcing ceasefire monitors. Given there are still a healthy volume of BUK & 72-B's inside Donetsk and idling in the forests around Mariupol, and he just put 80% of his working nukes on order; I'm guessing he is going all in on this game.
Of course, none of this makes any difference. FSB knows its demographic, and they serve a point as 'useful idiots'.Putin at this step knows he is either going to get away with it, or just sweat it out (literally, given his new pics). And on that note: never assume a FSB propagandist is giving you the straight goods, no matter how [redact] he pretends to be, or how many sock puppets he employs as ZOG accounts.
Ehh you forgot the American Exceptionalism. They broke the Budapest first by engineering a coup of a democratic govt. Something the USA, a democracy ironically, seems quite adept at. The Budapest agreement was shattered before the Russians reacted. By the way F YOU.
He's just supporting the Right Sektor and Svoboda nazi goons running the Ukraine ... while being completely ignorant of the fact that some of those jews he hates so much, the Rothschilds, paid for this "color revolution" to punish Putin for booting the Rothschild shills out of Russia in 2008.
Putin knows he is going to get away with what? It was the USSA that broke Ukraine and started this whole thing. Surely there can't be any dispute about that.
useless talkings
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You know, made me laugh. This guy rattles on about the Budapest Memorandum like it is some kind of binding treaty enshrined in international law. It's not. It's a political agreement that offers "security assurances".
Funny how those launching tirades about it have never taken a few minutes to read the agreement. From the start of the Euromaidan project to the US-coordinated overthrow of the Ukrainian government, of the six committments enumerated in the Budapest memorandum, the US violated #1, #3, and #6.
Take a look yourself:
https://www.msz.gov.pl/en/p/wiedenobwe_at_s_en/news/memorandum_on_securi...
The rest of this guy's comment is just rambling Pravoseki propaganda.
The Budapest memorandum was null an void once USA started meddling inside Ukraine to the tune of 5 billion dollars and deciding who they will put in power. F*&%% the EU indeed.
Of course, that is OK. Putin just makes clear, that in the next war each US-city will be nuked. Not just European, Russian or Chinese cities. But each US-city as well. Tell this the US-NeoCons that they don't forget what they are doing, like Mad John and the like...
From the standpoint of Russian military doctrine, I very much doubt Putin is inferring to a global nuclear war with the United States for a couple reasons.
For one, the United States and Russia have "overkill" arsenals. That is, even if 90% of the stockpile of one state or the other was destroyed, the remaining 10% is still large enough to completely destroy the other. From the standpoint of preventing a nuclear war on this probability, however unlikely, this is a GREAT thing.
On the tactical side, I've mentioned this here before: Russia *will* deploy and use theatre-based (tactical) nuclear weapons on the battlefield if the need is dire enough. This was done in Georgia in 2008 as a very serious message to NATO to stay out, despite whatever promises were made to Shaakashvili.
We are speaking of *very* localized nuclear weapons aimed at headquarters, command and communications, divisional assembly areas and armor/aircraft concentrations. I think the same is done here in Crimea, as a message to US/NATO: send in 500, 5k, 50k, 100k NATO "advisors" to Ukraine; it worries us not, Russia has a warhead for every division.
They're not you granpa's nukes anymore. The W54, developed in the 60's is a tunable nuke in that its' yeild can be brought down to a 'fizzle' yeild of tens or hundreds of tons.The Davey Croket was made to be shot from a recoiless rifle.
Speculation is that two such mini-nukes were used to vaporize the core structure of the twin towere.
There are other rumers that these things have been used in other places. I'm not holding my breath for CNN to confirm.
Was it a tactical nuke that went-off in Donetsk or not?
Nah, that was just an ammo dump getting torched. Damned impressive, though. Do not stand near the window gaping like a retard after you see the flash.
no
Is it love or just a desire to see that the US "Boss of the World" slowed down a little bit for once? Nobody else is standing up to them, otherwise it might look like they'd be loved too.
It has nothing to do with the US effort to spread democracy. It is all about Puutie being a totalitarian ruler with oil revenues and relishing conquest.
two post down your bitch is smirking . Trools serve w/bitches . which one is yours nudleman or psaking ?
Maxie,
Puutie paid you to be his bitch long ago. Careful to not cut yourself when shaving your ass for the next get together.
Varus give me back my legionssssss.
I often think about that little fray...
how the mighty too far fall.
Dammit, I still havn't gotten my check from him.
no it's just love of small russian dicks and moobs on horseback
Looks like you need a distemper shot, Mister Kittycat.
He's just so unmanly, when compared to President Mom-Pants!
http://www.jpattitude.com/Images/PutinObama/ObamaBiking.jpg
NoDebt, America has used nukes againt a civilian population AFTER the army had surrended(Japan) , we have declared war on Russia under the rulings of the Nureberg treaty and we are surronding Russia with missiles and everything else we have , so what choice does he have , he would not be talking about nukes if we were not prodding him. America keeps doing this over and over again and the stupid American people keep going along with it .
Your bullshit is appreciated by Puutie, I'm sure.
Really doubt that Putin cares what us sheep in the US think at all. Raising the Nuke flag was meant to wakeup Europe to the disaster that is coming their way if they keep letting the US bully them around.
Think of this as one large hornet nest that has been hit with rocks and poked with sticks too many times.
Sooner or later, something very, very bad is going to happen.
I know that the hornets should not have built their nest so close to all those NATO bases long ago.
Is it the hornets fault for the consequences, or the fool that hit the nest with the rocks and stick?
Also, the Russian concept of deescalation has been well known, and the fact that they most likely have a Dead Hand switch.
Sometimes one needs to keep pointing out that one has a weapon and is not afraid to use it, while secretly praying one never needs to use it because there is no going back once it is used.
WOW - Dead Hand - nice.
See you in hell...
To deter the possibility of a U.S. nuclear first-strike, the Soviets created a system called Perimeter, also known as "Dead Hand."
The Dead Hand was a computer system that could autonomously launch all of the USSR's nuclear weapons once it was activated, across the entirety of the Soviet Union.
Do any of those Russian nukes target Hawaii? Just ask'n...
No debt: I did downgrade you.
Unless something, a bunch of people call out the US/NATO on their provocative posture, Putin and/or his Russian/Sino successors will have to resort to nuclear threats.
The understandings, treaties agreed to in the Bush 1 admiinistration have been blantantly ignored .
What would you do if you were the leader of Russia?
And, you are right it's, "not Ok", to talk about nuclear reprisals but when that is definitely not kosher the other side-US- uses that wedge to its advanytage to score propaganada points..
That's not right either.
I think escalation is good as , one would think, more western citizens get worried see whats going on and reputes the west's aggressive stance. such that war ideas get squashed. (?)
Had alot of drinks......
Russia's conventional forces are nothing compared to the United States. Putin has no choice but to gin up the nuke talk. America would be foolish to think Putin's bluffing.
What a foolish statment, you have no idea what the Readiness is of any troops or equipment in the US. The US could not get the troops to the battlefield if they had them ready to go. Gungho idiots without a lick of Military service time.
Most of our forces are not in a combat role as well. Stupid
Despite your incomparable US forces, they could not defeat the Taliban, nor the resistance in Iraq. In Afghanistan, the talibs were using sometimes antiquated rifles, and never more than light arms and going around in sandals. And yet they have fought your incomparables to a standstill.
Now look at how the irregular forces have fought in Donbass. Look at the courage and sheer determination they have shown against numerically superior and better armed forces. And these guys are the brethren of the Russia military. Russia showed in WWII that it fights like a demon for the beloved motherland, and destroyed the powerfully led, prussian warrior legioned and quality equipped wehrmacht, a vastly more talented and militarily competent organisation than the US armed forces.
Now imagine going up against Russia on its home ground? Much shorted lines of communication, and determined stubborn warriors fighting for their motherland against a bunch of arrogant and spoiled empire cannon fodder. Bearing in mind, it's very unlikely that they could ever achieve air superiority, never mind air supremacy, and they would be cut down like flies. For all of the US outrageous spending on the military, Russia's spending has been much more focused and defensive. They have not sought to project power ourside their borders, but to defend their homeland. That costs a lot less than maintaining bases around the globe, cruising carrier groups around the oceans and throwing a bottomless pit of money at turkeys like the F-22 and F-35.
foolish comment.
On Russian soil or Ukraine soil Russia can take on the US militarily, no problem whatsoever.
Contrastingly, in the Syrian theatre, the US/NATO has the Russkies by the bag
Putin is just worried about Crimea. He has been using the EUke's army as a buffer and wants that conflict to continue without NATO or the US getting too involved. He forced the EUke's to accept cease fires when the EUke's were (twice) positioned to deal brutal blows to the WUke's because he feared the respoonse would be NATO involvement. But now he fears the next WUke assault is to be sufficiently supplied and supported by NATO and will take out the EUke's army and bring WUke forces to Crimea's borders.
The US/NATO will not cross into Crimea but will facilitate covert actions by WUke into Crimea and make it hell for Putin. Other countries along his border are getting increased NATO activity and are being taken over politically (with the help of accidents and suicides). Missiles will be put in place. Putin seems more like a feral cat being cornered.
Aside from being the exact opposite of reality, that's a pretty good analysis.
"Do you start talking about using nukes openly and repeatedly because of it? I'm not so sure that's OK."
Everything being equal... probably 'No'. But it depends if his Ends justifies the Means (scary PR rhetoric).
If, say, his intention is to get through the Iron Dome of silence and misinformation that is most of Western MSM (read "US" media and its puppet states), then this may be something that helps wake up and shake up enough people in the West, i.e. wake and scare them of the very real Doomsday threat.
If he succeeds to use his dramatic rhetoric to get uninformed and complacent Americans, Brits, French and Germans talking about this, then there's a good chance of the "Adults in the room" coming forward and reeling in the psychos and sociopaths in charge right now.
Having said that, if I were him, I'd be more explicit that (a) he's addressing US and EU people, (b) that facts and sanity need to return to political leadership, and (c) that these people are being lied to in a very cynical and dangerous manner.
"Subtle" or long-winded, intellectual speeches won't work on a complacent and uniformed Western populace that is weaned on sitcoms and clever one-liners. They need clear, simple soundbites that sink in with the simpleton sheep around us. Think "What would Ed Bernays do?"
Agreed Kirk. He needs to make a direct approach to the peoples throughout the West, both through our own media, and through the online media, put them in the picture as to what is really going on, and scare the bejaysus out of them. It needs a pretty sophisticated propaganda campaign to both ensure the message is communicated clearly and to ensure that westerners are at least sufficiently spooked to start asking some real questions about Western perfidy and look for those answers ourside the usual suspects.
Well reasoned, Kirk, thanks.
Wars often begin because of a misunderstanding of the intentions of the parties involved. Putin is saying that the Russians will not tolerate a threat to their existence or their sovereignty.
That message should be crystal clear to the insane neo-cons running the U.S. and their vassals today. (But then again, they do studies on how they will be able to survive a nuclear exchange. - - You and me ? To them we're just 'useless eaters'.)
Note that there are different kinds of Nuclear bombs.
The kind that kills living beings but leaves most things standing, is a Neutron bomb: very high radiation explosive energy, but not so much into thermal/heat radiation energy.
If you're underground or on another continent (Southern Hemisphere), you'll escape this radiation. Joe Sixpack OTOH: dead. Suddenly that acreage in Argentina or Chile looks far more attractive, I'd say.
Upvoted for stating your opinion in a rational manner.
He's the weaker of the two in a conventional war. MAD is the only defense. He's just telling us plebes. Or, preparing to take the fall for the implementation of agenda 21. Hoping he doesn't end up like Saddam. Either way seems a good fucking to us all.
But I thought he was dead.
Back in the day, just a hint of a nuclear threat could slam the markets.
Now a direct threat causes the markets to soar
I actually watched the documentary. He didn't say he would nuke Ukraine. He said that he didn't know how this could develop, and that he feared the West (NATO) coult launch a large scale military operation against Russia. In that context, as he said, Russia would be ready to put its nukes in combat alert and use them to defend themselves if necessary.
He also said that they deploy coastal missile defense systems in the Crimea in such a way that they were VERY VISIBLE from the space, sending a signal to NATO that Russia was ready to defend the Crimea.
Get with it.
The neocons assure us that Putin is nothing more than a maniacal tyrant hell-bent on firing missiles off not even knowing or caring where they might land.
Dats just wha Puutie jus tols ya.
dats sum hard hittin comments an profound insites you gots dere homie.
Nukes are used to kill wast majority people - how is that used to defend? Than North Korea is threatening to world to "defend" it self using nukes all the time. Is Russia and North Korea using same tactics?
http://edition.cnn.com/videos/tv/2015/03/13/tsr-todd-dnt-n-korea-missile...
ignorant post
learn at least basic facts before trolling....
Seems like he's doing his damnedest to prevent or delay an uncontrolled Escalation of this US-manufactured 'Crisis'.
People would do well to read "Crisis, Escalation and War". It was most useful in my Poli Sci class many years ago.
The idea is to keep clear lines of communication open, stand your ground, but send clear defensive gestures and moves, to keep warning the opponent to back off or face "unacceptable losses", to leave them a face-saving way out (to allow moderates to prevail over rabid hawks), etc...
All good lessons from the JFK era and the Cuban Crisis.
Turkey/Cuba missle crisis is more correct.
Actually Kruschev was more level head, with JFK less and Bobby dangerous.
btw..I am not supporter of Kruschev, but here he saved
Cuba is a key time of reference. When the Soviets failed to stand their ground and instead backed down it started a progression. Russia has been backing down for the most part ever since. Turkey was not equal to Cuba. Cuba was a psychological gem - won by the US. If Russia had put missiles in Cuba it would have toned down the US was machine or at least the joy of war among the US people. Instead, after the Soviets lost their nerve, turned around and ran home, the US has relentlessly boxed Russia in.
Now there is no fear of Russia provided uniform troops do not invade Russia proper.
Nonsense. The missiles in Cuba were a direct response to the US missiles in Turkey, which were poised at the soft underbelly of Russia.
Kennedy's generals were foaming at the mouth to spark off conflict with the damn Russkies and he didn't trust them or feel confident that he could control them, and he passed those fears on to Kruschev.
The missiles crisis was only averted when Kennedy agreed to withdraw the missiles from Turkey if Russia agreed to withdraw theirs from Cuba. As a face saving measure for Kennedy, the US didn't have to withdraw theirs for six months. But the Soviets got what they wanted, and keeping their missiles in Cuba could very possibly have triggered WWIII
The missiles in Turkey were of no real consequence and were given up easily. And in return the Soviets gave up the real gem. Land missilies close to the US border.
The US knew they had plenty of opportunities to place missiles in Europe and therefore they gave up nothing but gave the Soviets a minor and temporary victory.
Funny, the US so dominated the Soviets (due to their lack of resolve) that they could place missilies (and have continued to place) in Europe without any fear of war.
You contradict yourself between Soviet temporary victory and run home scared
neither is fact and shows your ignorance of real.
If so big success why was official story lies and hid truth from ameri citizens?
My old German language teacher made two interesting statements:
1. Holocaust was a Germany's hiccup
2.Putin is a terrorist
What should i do?
a. Complaint to a Dean;
b. get my Jewish friends to talk to him;
c. Get my Russian friends to talk to him;
d. Wait and see, if he gives me a bad grade to do all of the above.
You do not seem to support anything resembling freedom of speech, or do you ?
You could think for yourself.
...or run home and tell your mommy.
what's up with this major influx of trolls?
Is the UK internet army online now?
When things get serious they have to have moar liars. Pretty light stuff...not persuasive at all.
(that's not aimed at nodebt who raised a legitimate concern. the russians have plenty of nukes and they aren't the norks or even chinese...they're well beyond the testing phase. that's another thing the warmongering neocons are joking about...that they won't even work. I wouldn't want to bet on that)
This kind of nonsense routinely passes for brilliance here in Vlad's forum.
It's both stupefying and entertaining.
Hiroshima and Nagasaki set precedent. Either Putin has right to drop nukes to save lives or we don't.
Team_USA never did.
Those Bombs didn't save American Lives - they weren't even necessary.
my roomate's step-mother makes $79 hourly on the laptop . She has been fired for 10 months but last month her pay was $18694 just working on the laptop for a few hours. see here... www.globe-report.com
I just want our incumbant politicians to know that if Nukes start flying over this Crimea situation it's going to be very hard for me to justify supporting them in the next election.
"recumbent politicians"...fixed it for ya
Defunct politicians
redundant politicians.
I hope the Russkies would at least have the decency to take out D.C. first.
That would put a smile on the faces of many of us before our turn came.
So he was gone for 11 days having lead plates installed in his head?
Light em' up Vlad!
he returns as a Dr Evil -
Just a mild case of the autisms which conveniently coincided with previously scheduled cyborg enhancements.
At least he doesn't need gill jobs like the reptilian sea devils in Vichy DC.
This is a dangerous game since you might cause a counter-action that will form mushroom clouds due to some fool making a mistake.
Nuclear technology has always been the unholy grail of the statists/secret societies. It has nothing to do electrical power. Slave owners have them. Slaves must pay their taxes so governments have them, and governments will threaten to use them, but will not, because the radiation/hot particles can randomly kill the elite. Slaves who refuse to pay will be killed with quite conventional weapons, ironically by other slaves.
Yup. Our military philosophies are such that once a shooting war gets started, it could easily go nuclear. The USA military plan is "pre-emptive attack." The Russian plan is "if it looks bad for us, automatic Plan B is nuclear." So USA will start a war and Russia will follow up with nukes. Just freakin' lovely.
The problem is bad information at the wrong time. There were several times we almost had nuclear exchanges back during the cold war but the world is really more unstable now and too many people are willing to pull the trigger.
I hope that hair-licking greaseball Wolfowitz rides the first nuke down, hootin' and hollerin' Slim Pickens style.
surely "fat fingers" aren't restricted to only the "markets"...
Ooooh Vlad you are scaring everybody..oh my
So if that happened, what would the next steps be? hmm
Full on exchange let the best fallout shelter win
Idiot troll ! Fuck-off now...
angel = Paid Puutie Puppy.
You, Fuck-Off too... you're even dumber than him !
nuke ISIS now:
You really are an idiot . . .
-30-
Heh, Mars,
Back to doing the Puutie nut nuzzle.
LOL...you guys are so obvious. You aren't useful idiots, just idiots.
There are also useless idiots. He's one perfect example of that entire category... This guy isn't worth one potato, paywise !
Punishment for Hasbara is the removal of fingers.
Fuck 'em all, let karma sort them out!
speak English...
Don't feed the trolls. These Uki and Baltic losers know Putin has whipped their asses while barely breaking a sweat
Shitty and boring trash talk is a weaksauce and pathetic example of what losers Chocula and Yat the Rat are. Let them pile on
In reggae there is a saying: the Empty barrel makes the most noise
"..As AP reports,.."
..the usual BS. Following BBC, Reuters, Bloomberg, etc. Singers of the trash.
So those big explosions that went of in East Ukraine then? What were they?
450kg high explosive warheads on Tochka-U short range tactical ballistic missiles fired by the Nazified Ukrainian army.
... the CSIS study suggests the United States 'maintain its full triad of bombers, submarines, and intercontinental ballistic missiles meant to deter or carry out nuclear warfare' as emphasis shifts from the Middle East to an ultimate confrontation with Russia and China.
Of course the confrontation is being driven by the US.
Sure.
The United States ordered Puutie to invade a neighboring country and Puutie was stupid enough to take the bait.
Get your dumb ass genes evaluated and quantified.
Got sand in your vagina again turd ?
Mario Draghi's home town might be a good start.
Perhaps City of London (the square mile)? And I suppose visiting DC to view the cherry blossoms is out this year as well...
Another ZH propaganda mouthpiece article for the Kremlin. This one gave me a good chuckle. :-)
I see you're sincere in a Psaki sort of way.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/maxseddon/russian-state-media-is-suddenly-really...
The Russian takeover in Ukraine really sped up after the Rada said it would disregard the newly extended lease of Sevastopol. The Rada said this 1 or 2 days after the coup. Up to then, Kiev could have kept Crimea, as long as they leased the base to Russia, not NATO.
I think the nuke aspect has calmed down a bit. Obama sounds as if he is thinking twice about pushing the bear any further. If so, that would explain why that crazy general blurted a suggestion to start killing Russians - perhaps the shadow government is getting frustrated with Obama's foot-dragging toward a hot war with Russia.
He may want to avoid trips to Dallas and Cuban cigars in that case.
He may be able to run interence , but he cannot stop the deep state.
He is just totally incompetent is my take.Complicit, but unable to fullfill his orders.
now this message is imho clearly for domestic use with a twist for the EU Foreign Ministers (jarring, too) and a "back off, I have nuclear weapons" for the US Audience
As such, I would have preferred Putin would have talked less about it in those terms. On the other side, if we listen to some American voices... Sanity Himself
Hungry For Crimea, eh? The Territory, it is, after all, a Strategic Asset, for Russia's geopolitics
The problem is . .the US audience only understands a smack upside the head with a brick .. as for US State Dept .. .and what has taken over the Pentagon .. people who still think the US is the biggest dog on the block . is not broke and its military gutted . save for the for hire types and special ops . but not enough to save Europe or the US .. the US public is so dumbed down .. so into bread and circuses.. it was easy for them to be pushed back into Cold War mindset .. ignorance is a dangerous thing.. and Americans by and large are among the most ignorant on the planet . thanks to US corporate media and almost total lack of hiistorical knowledge of their own country let alone Europe . 'Russia or China . .. we will be backed into a war . and the numb nuts couch potatoes in the US will have no clue how or when or why it happened. Putin has tried numerous times to be reasonable .. in press conferences.. in previous statements .. its NOT being heard.. there is an old saying in Kentucky .. sometimes you have to hit a mule between the eyes with a board to get him to listen .. I would add. Putin probably eralizes.. you can not dialogue with a DEAF man which is what NATO . .the US and EU have become . a retarded deaf man at that.
Icelandicsaga.....
NATO is a deaf man. - Brilliant
On the lighter note:
Orthodox Jews are waiting for their Messiah and he will appear after the bloody sacrifice of 60 nations. + Torah predicts this year war of Gog and Magog. There is something about NATO in Torah also, as a medium to make those non-Jews to fight and kill each other.
http://yearsofawe.blogspot.com/
...and Russia's geopolitics is keeping Russia safe
since it already has everything it could possibly need.