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When It Becomes Serious, First They Lie - When That Fails, They Arrest You

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Submitted by Charles Hugh-Smith of OfTwoMinds blog,

When lying is no longer enough to gain compliance, then the organs of security are unleashed on dissent and resistance.

"When it becomes serious, you have to lie." Jean-Claude Juncker simply gave voice to what the world's leaders practice on a daily basis, because now it's always serious.
And why is it now serious? Persuading tax donkeys and debt serfs that everything is going their way is now impossible without lies. Persuading the populace that the leadership is working on their behalf was jettisoned in the wake of the 2008 bailout of bankers and parasites.
 
Stripped of the artifice that they care about anything other than preserving the wealth of their cronies, global political leaders now rely on propaganda: narratives designed to manage expectations and perceptions, bolstered by carefully tailored official statistics.
 
Reliance on lies erodes legitimacy. As the rich get richer and the burdens on tax donkeys and debt serfs increase, the gulf between the official happy-story narrative and reality widens to the breaking point, and faith in the narrative and the leadership espousing it declines.
 
When 20% of the populace no longer believe the lies and begins questioning the state's enforcement of the status quo, the government devotes its resources to punishing dissenters and resisters. Whistleblowers are charged with trumped-up crimes; those publicly refuting the status quo's narrative of lies are harassed and discredited, and those who resist state enforcement of parasitic cronyism are set up, beaten, entrapped, investigated, interrogated and arrested once suitably Kafkaesque charges can be conjured up by the apparatchiks of enforcement.
 
Why 20%? It's the Pareto Distribution (the 80/20 rule): the 20% of any populace that accepts a new trend, technology or narrative has an outsized influence over the other 80%.
 
Governments operate on the premise that propaganda and threats will always be enough to cow their populaces into compliance and bribes will induce complicity.When lies, bribes and threats no long work, the state unleashes its full pathological powers on dissent.
 
The last mass campaign of political suppression in the U.S. occurred in the late 1960s and early 1970s, when resistance to the war of choice in Vietnam reached mainstream proportions.
 
The U.S. government was accustomed to manipulating and managing the populace with very simple propaganda: Communism is our deadly enemy, we must fight it everywhere on the planet, etc. But when thousands of American service personnel started coming home in body bags from the latest "we must fight Communism everywhere because it's dangerous to us" war in East Asia, this simplistic justification made no sense: what existential threat to the U.S. did a Communist Vietnam pose?
 
The U.S. has faced only two existential threats to its sovereignty since 1860: World War II (1941-45) and the potential for a nation-destroying nuclear war with the Soviet Union. The idea that the U.S. was existentially threatened by falling dominoes in East Asia was always ludicrous, and the U.S. status quo (the political leadership, the Deep State, private industry profiting from war, etc.) soon abandoned the absurd justification.
 
Vietnam was always more of a domestic-politics issue than a geopolitical one: the Democrats feared being perceived as being "weak on Communism" because that impacted the results of elections. Throwing treasure and American lives away in Vietnam was pure domestic politics from 1961-68 (once mired, Democrats feared being tagged as the party that "lost Vietnam"), and thereafter the treasure and lives were sacrificed on the equally contrived Nixon-Kissinger policy of avoiding losing geopolitical face with a withdrawal that amounted to surrender.
 
Though it is not well known, the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) was ordered to devote essentially all its resources to suppressing dissent in these years. Teams assigned to organized crime were reassigned to track down draft resisters and other political malcontents. 
 
COINTELPRO was a vast program devoted to illegally entrapping, beating up and undermining any and all political resistance to the war and the government's increasingly heavy-handed oppression of dissent.
 
 
Simply put: when lies no longer work, governments freak out and devote their resources not to eliminating wars of choice, cronyism and corruption but to suppressing dissent and resistance to those policies.
 
The U.S. government has always been free to pursue wars of choice with its professional military, with little risk of widespread political blowback. A variety of "splendid little wars" have been waged, generally for conquest or enforcement of hemispheric hegemony. The government's success in rallying the nation during World War II instilled a false confidence that merely raising the flag of existential threat would be enough to eliminate dissent and elicit compliance in the masses.
 
Vietnam was the first time the American public went through the process of buying the usual "threat" justification for war, questioning the threat and eventually rejecting the state's narrative. The government responded by lashing out at its own citizenry, engaging in a full spectrum of illegal and blatantly immoral actions designed not to right wrongs or fix broken policies, but to suppress dissent and resistance to destructive policies and broken systems.
 
The U.S. government is not unique in this; on the contrary, all governments, by their very nature as concentrations of coercive power, will pursue the same path. Rather than confess the government is operated by cronies, for cronies, the machinery of the state will increasingly be turned on its citizenry.
 
Rendering unto Caesar that which is Caesar's is no longer enough; abiding by the laws of the land are no longer enough. What the state demands is not just compliance with its countless laws and regulations, but absolute obedience to its narratives and policies.
 
Anyone who withholds obedience is quickly deemed a traitor--not to the nation or its Constitution, but to the state itself, which is ultimately a collection of cronies and self-serving vested interests protecting their fiefdoms at the expense of the citizenry.
 
When lying is no longer enough to gain compliance, then the organs of security are unleashed on dissent and resistance.This process is well under way in nation-states around the world.
If I had to pick the two key operative dynamics of the next 20 years, I would choose:
 
1. The over-expansion and implosion of credit/debt bubbles.
 
2. The over-reach of the central state as it seeks to win the hearts and minds of its people by ruthlessly suppressing dissent.
 
The two dynamics are of course causally connected. Central states depend entirely on credit bubbles for their financial survival, and on enforcing increasingly untenable official narratives for their legitimacy.
 
Both are unraveling, and will continue to unravel, no matter how many state resources are thrown at the symptoms of political illegitimacy, rather than at the root causes of that illegitimacy.

 

 

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Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:10 | 5893773 Seasmoke
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This bubble is 2+2 = 55

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:27 | 5893826 venturen
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on the other hand DAX at a record! 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:57 | 5893931 Took Red Pill
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"The U.S. government was accustomed to manipulating and managing the populace with very simple propaganda: Communism is our deadly enemy, we must fight it everywhere on the planet." Now they just substitute the word "Terrorism" instead of Communism and the people fall for it all over again.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:22 | 5894028 Greenskeeper_Carl
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I feel like 'net neutrality' probably ties into all this somewhere ...

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 11:04 | 5894186 aVileRat
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It does. The fact sockpuppets and psyops are growing increasingly common, and are acting as a force multiplier in shaping conventional doctrine is likely a huge topic for debate over the next 10 years.

Speaking of 'first they lie, then they arrest you'

http://www.inquisitr.com/1910440/vladimir-putin-admits-role-in-crimea-re...

To quote the often and trod out meme:

This time is never different. :) 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 14:13 | 5894904 Arnold
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All that won't survive the first battle. No plan does.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 11:49 | 5894344 Graph
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Not small number of ZH-ers see a Communism as a threat.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 12:50 | 5894570 El Vaquero
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A threat?  No, not a threat.  It's just doomed to failure.  If I don't want to give up my ownership of my means to production, how are you going to take it from me if not by force of the threat of force?  If I have nothing left to give, but the state needs more, where will it get it from?

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 13:54 | 5894819 Graph
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If a Third World Country has "something" that you need for your production, and you have means to influence government and army to get it from you - that, also, makes you a Communist (as, all they do is steal) ?

Vaquero before you go to your pastures ever thought that whoever takes your "staff" at gun point is just a Criminal ?

 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 14:13 | 5894903 DFCtomm
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So you aren't going to address his point, but instead offer another stupid point and claim that was his point. It's called a strawman. However lets have a look at what you said. You care to back up your allegation with a citation? Which U.S. manufacturer is raping a third world country?

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 18:06 | 5895717 Earl Slaughter-...
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If a US manufacture was raping a 3rd-world country, it'd be a multinational manufacture, not a US manufacture (just sayin').

 

But here's food for thought: http://www.globalexchange.org/corporateHRviolators

 

Rape of the 3rd-world is a freakin long-time tradition, one that USSA certainly continues to carry on (is the Ukraine considered 3rd-world yet?).

 

 

 

 

 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 14:55 | 5895026 DFCtomm
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I took a closer look at your comment, and it appears that you are at least half right. You admit that Communist is nothing more than state supported theft, but you got it wrong. Communism is state enabled theft, but not all theft by the state is Communism. There is a whole ideology attached to communism to justify the theft, and that ideology is what makes Communism more dangerous than a simple totalitarian state, even though all Marxists state will eventually devolve into totalitarianism. The left takes to Big Brother like a duck to water.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 16:01 | 5895274 HopefulCynical
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Very true.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 22:18 | 5896508 Charming Anarchist
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Optics is everything. 

It is not what you do but how you why you say you are doing it. 

Wed, 03/18/2015 - 11:43 | 5902253 thecrud
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I certainatly have nothing left  And I am to old to want to try to earn it again.

Courts that allow bankruptcy on pensions was my I dont believe the government narative like Vietnam protester befor me.

excet the is enemy is us.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 12:15 | 5894440 Questan1913
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"The U.S. government was accustomed to manipulating and managing the populace with very simple propaganda: Communism is our deadly enemy, we must fight it everywhere on the planet." Now they just substitute the word "Terrorism" instead of Communism and the people fall for it all over again.

This government through its propaganda organ, also known as the ?mainstream? press is contriving any number of menacing hobglobins, the latest being ISIS,  to titilate and above all scare the population into submission to it.  Global warming is another contrived menace.  The other technique is to keep the subject population divided with the divisions warring against each other.  One sex against another, heterosexual against gay, younger generation against older (notice all the hating against the baby boom geration?).  So this entire government is one gigantic conspiracy of the above elements and more to insure that the fear and distractions are at a level that precludes the TV trained sheep from being aware that they are manipulated and plundered 24/7 365 days a year.   A highly organized conspiracy against its citizens is what all governments are. 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 14:24 | 5894927 Arnold
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There are hobgoblins out there, often we are directed and deflected from them.

I speak with some knowledge but little recent experience, no television for 5 years now.

I don't know what is delivered for information on the Boob Tube to an ever decreasing, apathetic audience.

A Carrington Event will not be an unanticipated annoyance other than lipping off on ZH at odd hours.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:27 | 5893827 bwh1214
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Here's a great place to start to know the mess we're in and what they might pull from here:

http://debtcrash.report/entry/history-and-introduction

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:10 | 5893779 Seasmoke
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This bubble is 2+2 = 55

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:18 | 5893786 JustObserving
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The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan cost more than $6 trillion compared to $738 billion for the Vietnam war in equivalent dollars but barely a protest from the American public.  The CIA's control of US media is total:

"The Central Intelligence Agency owns everyone of any significance in the major media." -- William Colby, former CIA Director, cited by Dave Mcgowan, Derailing Democracy

 

They Arrest You

The US has the highest incarceration rate in this world by far - 15 times higher than Sweden or Japan and 25 times higher than India's

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:53 | 5893914 GeezerGeek
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Americans love a winner, which may explain why - for the first few years at least - the costs in money and personnel expended in Iraq and Afghanistan didn't matter much to mainstream America. There was, however, media coverage of the deaths of the American soldiers while Bush was president. Now, under the Magic Negro, the leftist MSM dare not utter any criticisms. Whether or not is was true, reports while Bush was in office seemed to indicate progress in those countries. Once Obama came in and conditions deteriorated, the MSM dared not complain, lest they be declared racist. It's curious, looking back, how the MSM was willing to go after Lyndon Johnson for his failure in Viet Nam while the same failures by Obama draw nary a poop. Is this CIA controlling the MSM or is it something else suppressing criticism?

As for the US incarceration rate relative to the rest of the world, it is like comparing apples to oranges. Try splitting US statistics into ethnic/cultural categories and see what happens. (I haven't, so I'm only theorizing.) Compare native-born Caucasians' incarceration rates to those other countries. Then compare native-born blacks' incarceration rates to those other countries. Finally, compare the incarceration rates for all those immigrants, legal and illegal, from Latin America. The US has allowed numerous criminal elements into the country, going at least as far back as the Mariel boatlift. Japan is a mostly homogeneous society, one which has a strong sense of honor (for lack of a better word.) Sweden was a mostly homogeneous country until they started allowing a gaggle of immigrants from Islamic areas, and from what I've read the crime statistics there (if not incarceration rates) have started to climb rapidly. (Same in Great Britain.)  India has had little immigration that I'm aware of, and from the Indians I've known (H1Bs mostly) there seemed to be a sense of order that would preclude widespread lawlessness (if you ignore inter-religion animosity.) 

The US has been slipping downhill since the latter part of the 1960s, morally and culturally. It's becoming more and more balkanized, and the fish is rotting from the head down. High incarceration rates are just what I'd expect, now that government has decided to implement rule by people and ignore rule by law.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:57 | 5893936 JustObserving
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Compare native-born Caucasians' incarceration rates to those other countries

White incarceration rate in USA is 380 per 100,000 compared to about 50 in Sweden and Japan - about 7.5 times higher.  

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:31 | 5894078 Monetas
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ISIS .... has some of the lowest incarceration rates .... they put you in a cage briefly .... before they burn you alive ! LOL

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 14:26 | 5894943 Arnold
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Nice.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 14:12 | 5894899 Dearlydeparted
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'White incarceration rate in USA is 380 per 100,000 compared to about 50 in Sweden and Japan - about 7.5 times higher. '

 

FBI stats are manipulated; Mestizos criminals are listed as Whites in order to increase the above data.  Did you ever peruse a FBI Wanted List? You'll see many Browns identified as Whites.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:24 | 5894042 Scoobywan
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Slipping downhill morally and culturally since the 1960's?

LOL!!

Yah, the 1960's the golden era of culture and morality......

 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:14 | 5893788 Arnold
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"The U.S. has faced only two existential threats to its sovereignty since 1860: World War II (1941-45) and the potential for a nation-destroying nuclear war....."

Aside from the current administration of course..........................

There are too many idiots arguing domestic policy already.

I'd rather be the idiot considering world interactions, thank you.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:15 | 5893791 Jethro
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When the market correction takes place, it'll be those evil white racists that caused it to happen....right?

 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:32 | 5893839 agstacks
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evil, white, greedy, racists

FIFY

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:56 | 5893928 GeezerGeek
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Now, now, you should be more specific: it's those evil, white, greedy MALE racists causing our troubles. White ladies - oops, I should say females; how dare I call them ladies -  must be excluded, except for Sarah Palin, Michelle Bachmann, Joni Ernst, and their ilk.

Wed, 03/18/2015 - 12:04 | 5902323 thecrud
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The only thing America had different than most was stable political invironment the sucked in investment like a hoover.

It fell apart with such ease has spooked them and they will cut and run the second the DOW tips.

It has to show in the market first When the rich really have a dog in the fight the chickens will have already come home to roost.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:33 | 5893844 agent default
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I think this time it will be gold and silver owners.  I can already see the narrative:  Undermining confidence in the currency, the banking system, our beloved government the Fed, antisocial survivalist mentality, etc, etc. 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:15 | 5893792 Bossman1967
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So they think we shut up and do what we ate told. I am guessing next the shut down he net due to much informaion for us serfs to handole.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:17 | 5893800 Arnold
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Beware the land line phone call.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:01 | 5893950 GeezerGeek
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95% of the calls I get on my land line are telemarketers or donation-seekers. Is the NSA monitoring these, or have they given up in despair at all the boilerplate talk? And do they monitor my dial-up AOL internet activities? I've still got a few dozen of those CDs offering a free month of AOL, and I want to use them all up before restricting myself to OTA TV.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 23:13 | 5896715 Charming Anarchist
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There is still some value to those calls. 

Your voice is being recorded and analyzed for the future.  If a rep from Acme Windows And Doors calls to sell you a great deal, even if you turned it down, you may have given valuable information when they asked:  "May I speak to the owner of the house?" 

No matter what you say, you gave them info:  They can analyze your voice/response for when you are know to be telling the truth or a lie. 

I use "they" loosely to include anybody who has or will have access to those calls. 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 12:48 | 5894562 Clarabell
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They desperately want to gain control of the Internet. They'll take control not through government but rather through the large corporations just as they have taken control of the MSM. Net Neutrality has set them back a bit, but you can bet they're not giving up. They are in it for the long haul. Look how long it took them to totally control the media.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 14:43 | 5894990 Arnold
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Expect your service to degrade and get cheaper.

The incentive to go fiber will disappear, I'm sure not going to bet that .gov is going to regulate it well.

Somewhat of a historic recent example are the airlines.

Yup, lots fewer domestic accidents, but anything resembling good service cut to the bone.

Oh, you can buy good service, Virgin comes to mind, Concord, before it went poof, Cathay to name a few.

You gots to pay for it.

As a country we're paying paying $1.00 while using a $1.50 of services, kicking the extra $0.50 down the road . Not healthy.

 

 

Wed, 03/18/2015 - 12:11 | 5902365 thecrud
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I dont believe that as I set up routers all over the world and see home business with better bandwidth than our so called business connections were completely unable to compete on a global scale with them unless we do something and PDQ.

Go to someones home with the equivalent of an OC48 With basically several hundred servers running.

My cox 5 down and 2 maybe 3 up in not even in the same ball park.

To add insult to injury his bill is less than mine.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:20 | 5893805 GMadScientist
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Great, Charles of No Minds thinks he's Huey Newton with a better weave.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:21 | 5893811 yogibear
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When the Fed's financial games fail they take us to a major war.

A meat grinder for the peasants. Another global conflict causes major destruction and profits for the ultra rich.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:11 | 5893985 GeezerGeek
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Unless they reinstitute the draft, the meat grinder may be more of an incinerator and right here on US soil. I seriously doubt there would be a rush to enlist should be get into a land war in Ukraine or Syria. Recall that the draft was in place into the early 1970s, and there were exemptions for college. (The exemption for graduate school ended in 1968, just when I graduated from college. Great timing!) By then the US popul;ation was turning against the war, egged on in that direction by Cronkite's lies about the Tet Offensive, etc. Most of my contemporaries, and even moreso their parents, turned against the war because LBJ (and later Nixon) showed no signs of actually wanting to WIN (whatever that may have meant) the war. That's an attitude Amercans didn't like then (perhaps now, where kiddies can't keep score and everyone gets a participation trophy, the attitude will be different) and - in my experience anyway - turned against the fiasco.

 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 14:43 | 5894991 Questan1913
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"When the Fed's financial games fail they take us to a major war.

A meat grinder for the peasants. Another global conflict causes major destruction and profits for the ultra rich."

 

Yes.  Had the fed not existed US participation in both twentieth century world wars would not have been possible.  And then there is this:

War is the health of the State.   But what, or who, is the State?  Well, a major  portion of it is headquartered in NYC; is that enough of a hint?  And then there is Warren Buffett, George Soros, Bill Gates and all the rest of the unsavory and obscenely rich sociopaths that America admires so much.  The stooges in DC know who they work for; unfortunately most voters are clueless, simply rooting for their team, red or blue and not a dimes worth of difference between the tow.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:22 | 5893814 OilCaptain
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Knocking on your door in 3, 2, 1.....

Oh, wait...that was in the 90's. 

Listening in on all your data in 3, 2, 1.....

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:12 | 5893989 GeezerGeek
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Do Predator drones knock before firing? Indeed, do SWAT teams?

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 11:53 | 5894353 Think for yourself
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Well, dunno about the drones, but Israel has the decency to warn you 1 minute before the total obliteration of your entire block by "knocking" first with a slightly less obliterative warhead...

 

Go Israel, shining paragon of Humanity!

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Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:23 | 5893817 Reaper
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A slave obeys. A free man choses. The common sheeple crave a master to think for them. Their opiate of trust will fail.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:25 | 5893820 Felix da Kat
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The government has become such a parasitical entity, incapable of sustaining its own existence for very much longer without a fundamental, foundational change that is long overdue and it must occur soon or else some unwanted, forced change will be thrust upon the entire country irrevocably. The US gov't must simply stop being a parasite on its people; it must once again be the servant of the people. (And I'm afraid that will remain an idealistic pipedream)

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:26 | 5893823 venturen
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My favorite is things like FACEBOOK where they try to force you to expose your real identy(your phone number) for any commenting. Maybe some of these people don't realize this country was founded on anonymous leaflets from the likes our founding fathers. As their real identities would have landed them in jail.... Just look at someone like Snowden.  It is a very depressing spiral down....and I pray that some dark horse candidate arrives this next election, for a Clinton or Bush truly spell the end of this country.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 11:31 | 5894278 Captain Kink
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Snowden is a freaking HERO.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 12:32 | 5894502 Refuse-Resist
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The simple answer WRT Facebook is this:

FUCK FACEBOOK.

 

Always and forever.

 

I will remind readers of the Zucks famous comment about FB users:

"dumb fucks".

 

I'll leave it at that.

 

FUCK FACEBOOK

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:27 | 5893824 Fun Facts
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When It Becomes Serious, First They Lie - When That Fails, They Arrest You

or - commandeer your car wirelessly and drive it into a tree while you're in it.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:14 | 5893998 GeezerGeek
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Time to get my 1974 Dodge back on the road.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 16:32 | 5895404 bluskyes
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I no longer buy vehicles that are newer than me.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:29 | 5893831 Usurious
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the more i read trav7777, the more I realize that this may be his best comment ever.........Mako referred to the 'system' as the 'equation' (attaching interest to the MOE) and francis simply called it 'debt money'

 

''The system is the master; all must serve it.  Credit must grow or else SHTF.  I told Douchinger too; if you do not borrow, they will borrow on your behalf.''

trav7777

http://www.zerohedge.com/article/household-net-worth-plunges-most-q4-200...

 

 


 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:35 | 5893851 JRobby
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trav7777 from Indianapolis?

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 11:22 | 5894247 Usurious
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?........do you know of trav7777?........he is one smart cookie

I wish he were still here

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 14:58 | 5895033 JRobby
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I believe his absence may be due to incarceration.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 13:38 | 5894739 ThroxxOfVron
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"''The system is the master; all must serve it.  Credit must grow or else SHTF.  I told Douchinger too; if you do not borrow, they will borrow on your behalf.'' "

 

This statement has been made in various forms by many commentators on many different sites.

Hypertiger is another blogger that often talked of the 'top requiring energy from the bottom to supply energy to the bottom' which I gather means that the Oligarchy will enforce ever more extreme forms of represson in ordeer to extract rents from the underclasses.  When the undelerclasses are ehausted and cannot pay thd ever escalating rents demanded by the Oligarchy the Oligarchy punishes the underclasses with joblessness, serice denials, expropriations, and finally introduces purgesdomestically and War internationally in order to purge the populaces of a number of exhausted and uncooperative peoples.

The monetary system IS NOT designed for perpetual growth and perpetual enrichment of the Oligarchy.

The system IS designed for booms and busts.  The booms enrich the Oligarchy to a much higher proportion than the underclasses and the busts therefor naturally destroy the rentier wealth accumulations of the Oligarchy in something approaching a direct proportion to the gains accuired in the boom phase.  

When the natural function of purging bad debt/defaulting unssustainable rentier streams out of the system is precluded to prop/protect the rentier steams of the Oligarchy with the comparitively miniscule wealth of the underclasses the system has been subverted and broken.

The deal is supposed to be this:

Boom phase: The Upper Class gets much richer.  The rentier streams increase and are collected/aggregated primarily in the hands of the Upper Class.   A few in the Middle Class rise into the Upper Class.  The Middle class grows in largest proportion to the other classes.  The Middle Class is grown out of the lower class as consumption rises and living standards rise.  Maybe not all; but,  most boats are floated on the boom -which is HOW the rich get richer.  

Bust phase: The Upper Class losees a portion of their wealth and some on the bottom rungs return to the Middle Class and some in the Middle Class are cast ( back ) into the Lower Class. Rentier streams are diminished and defaulted.  Since these are primarily owned by the Upper Class the brunt of the bust is born by them.

THIS has not been alllwed to happen.  The proper purging of unsustainable debt/rentier streams are being protected at the expense of the underclasses.  The rentier wealth streams accumulated to the Upper Class durng the boom phase are being protected from the necessary repricing/defaultg that is required to maintain systemic integrity.

The idea that borrowing must be done on behalf of the underclasses is a bold lie.  The so-called 'forced borrowing' is effectively a form of repression and expropriation designed to salvage unsustainable Upper Class rentier wealth streams from natural and necessary repricing.  

The system requires defaults/restructurings/creative destruction to function properly.

The entire construct is based on the assumption that wealth can be aggregated by productivity during the boom and that marginal productivities be purged in bust.  Allowing only the aggregation phase and denying the dis-aggeregation phase unmasks that fact that the system has been hi-jacked and the social contract implicit in the capitalistic economic system has been subverted and destroyed.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 14:53 | 5895020 jaxville
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  Throxx....  The money system was not created to be sustainable in any manner.  It was designed to put power and wealth into the hands of the few and works just fine from that perspective.  It exists for no other reason.  You and many others overlook the power perspective.

  The sooner society puts all behind it to the sword, the better off all humanity will be.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 23:39 | 5896826 hedgiex
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Yes A global Crony Virus crippling the free market system. Sophistication lies in giving the preys the air time to talk but not meant to be "listened".

To be in the gravy train of this glacial shift in wealth is to know your Predators and their potent debt enslavement traps. Default on the debts is one way.

 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:30 | 5893835 Seize Mars
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Here is a great quote:

 The state is an institution run by gangs of murderers, looters and thieves, surrounded by willing executioners, propagandists, psychopaths, criminals, liars, clowns, charlatans, fools and useful idiots – an institution that dirties and stains everything it touches.
– Hans-Hermann Hoppe

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:32 | 5893836 JRobby
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"Persuading tax donkeys and debt serfs that everything is going their way is now impossible without lies."

Seem to me that it is the same as it ever was.

Paying taxes as part of "the great privileged of living in this great country" still sells to a large group that thinks the system still works and things will get better. Try explaining the folly of a debt based monetary system to them. They think you are just gone. Emphasis of how a debt based monetary system that functions with politicians that will promise more and more free stuff if you keep electing them won't work either. But it does multiply the debt load more quickly.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:40 | 5893863 Fun Facts
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Literally not one in a million Americans understand how [or why] this debt based money system [ponzi scheme] we endure was specifically crafted with malevolent intent to enslave the masses.

The reason they don't understand is that it requires education, which is why our masters have ensured that the tools to understand are obfuscated and not taught in skool.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 14:26 | 5894945 Dearlydeparted
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'The reason they don't understand is that it requires education, which is why our masters have ensured that the tools to understand are obfuscated and not taught in skool.`

++1000

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:35 | 5893849 medium giraffe
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Bah, leave Caesar out of this, he doesn't deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as these muppets. At least Caeser understood that command should be unified and singular. The US Govt will be the architect of its own downfall as it tries desperately to enforce regulations drawn up by committee, growing slower and flabbier by the day.

States will secede before too long, you only have to look at Colorado's cannabis laws to realise that individual states are sticking their fingers up at the Feds in growing numbers over larger and larger issues.

Its over for centralism. Centralism has failed all over the world (I'm looking at you, Junker), and to any student of leadership it was clearly all but inevitable. The problem now is that the centralists are too stupid or arrogant to realise this, and they will make the world hell for the rest of us as they fail.

Hopefully some good will come of this. Perhaps once all of this is over we'll emerge with small dynamic units of governance working in cooperation (no, not Soviets). Either that, or we're just going to push ourselves to the brink by repeating the same mistakes over and over.

(btw, this is why you should have no fear of the NWO - you really think that would work when you can't even govern Greece and Germany simultaneously? It's hilarious to even contemplate such an outcome).

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:52 | 5893909 overmedicatedun...
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medium you under estimate their stupidity, and the capacity to seek moar control , much like greece is stuck to the tar baby of the EU.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 11:00 | 5894172 shovelhead
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More like the EU is stuck to the tarbaby of Greece.

Greece is the moneypit from hell transferring German taxpayers money to EZ banks.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:52 | 5893910 Ghordius
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interesting points, here

well, unified command is something that is often requested, particularly for war, particularly for specific battles. outside of this realm, it's often an excuse to treat peace as if it was war

which then leads to "call to arms", like "War on Poverty", or "War on Drugs"

Don't worry about Juncker's Phantom Army. As long as the UK is part of the EU, you can forget about it. I don't see Westminster ever approving of relinquishing any Freedom To Go To War, and the idea of binding British troops to an Expeditionary Corps that would need 28 countries to agree on it's deployment would never fly

in fact, Juncker was probably more busy giving Mr. Nigel Farage some electoral candy, imho. At least judging from Farage's grin. As such, an unwelcome Juncker intervention on the approaching British General Elections

I find your "small dynamic units of governance working in cooperation" very interesting. I find echos of this thinking among the small countries of the... EU, with "the EU" as the "cooperation platform"

centralization, I fear, has it's evils but gives also quite a lot of geopolitical leverage. in short, it's difficult to argue away from the centers of centralization. those usually need to be starved out, first

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:23 | 5894040 medium giraffe
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Nigel Fromage's grin does seem a little wider...

Echos of EU? Absolutely. There were, dare I say it, a few good ideas buried within the spirit of the EU. A common market as a cooperation platform is of mutual benefit, but to insist on pushing that into a full consolidation of power is extreme folly. There might be advantages to the amount of leverage that can be gained, as you suggest, but the cost of doing so is ultimately failure. The EU as it stands is an edifice drawn together to compete with collapsing superpowers (suffering from the same inevitable failure). The cost of failure is high, yet the failure of this sort of bureaucratic organisation is inevitable.

Where is the Roman empire, the British empire, the Prussian, the Persian, the Mongol, the German? Which path is the American empire following? Where is the EU empire going? Humanity just doesn't work like that. It works for a while, but with the same outcome every time. Centralism is not a long term option for humanity.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:58 | 5893942 NotApplicable
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You apparently don't see how the inevitable failure of all nation-states will create the activation energy required to create a global-state. Meanwhile, your standard of measurement is the ability to successfully govern them? The only thing they know how to do is to destroy. Given that, they're succeeding quite nicely, I'd say.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:16 | 5894001 Ghordius
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ask Russians if they have similar feelings about their nation-state. perhaps some nation-states are failing, and perhaps there are lots of forces attacking the nation-state as such (including your criticism), but the "inevitable failure of all nation-states" is, imho, a bit premature

I don't see Denmark or Finland or Norway or Sweden or France or Vietnam or Russia or Japan or Greece or Turkey, just to mention a few...

... relinquishing their nation-states. in fact, the more a nation-state can be told apart from others, starting with it's own language, customs, culture, ethnic composition... the more it's probably going to exist anyway, globalism or no globalism

problem is, some nation-states share their language, share their customs, share their ethnic composition

the whole previously British "World", for example. What is really the difference between Canada and the US, or Australia, or New Zealand, or Scotland or England or Ireland or Wales?

you see, your point of view is relevant in this discussion. globalization, for all it's aspects, is still driven by a vanguard of English-As-A-First-Language Speakers, and this is not a coincidence

in the same way, your point of view is much more seldom among people that don't speak English as a first language

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:35 | 5893850 nowhereman
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As witnessed in major cities across Canada this past weekend, major protests against Bill C51, an act to increase police powers and government surveilance, occurred.  According to Snowden, Canada has the least transparent and worst monitored security apparatus of all the western "democracies".

A lot of Canadians are not buying the government rhetoric, and as you say, when the lie stops working, it's time to make them terrorists.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:20 | 5894025 GeezerGeek
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As a guess, the Canadian politicians will point to those major protests and say "and that's why the police need greater powers."

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 14:42 | 5894989 Dearlydeparted
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Harper is a Xtian Zionist, his party implemented that law. The only party opposing C-51 is the NDP, I doubt they'll win the next election though. In the end all parties here serve the same masters, so even if the NDP were elected I'd doubt they'd keep their promise.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:39 | 5893862 Billy Shears
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And soon they'll be sending you to the Russian front.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:57 | 5893926 Chuck Knoblauch
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Time to re-make Hogan's Heros?

That was, and still is, a great show.

 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:48 | 5893870 pelican
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I currently live in DC and nobody here knows or cares what is  wrong outside of DC.   Personally, I cannot stand it here, however I need the work.

 

DC will not fall, they will suck all the marrow out of the country first.

 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 12:23 | 5894474 Milestones
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Some astute business conglomorate will fence it in and start charging a fee for entry to Disneyland Central.         Milestones

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:48 | 5893891 altheatoldme
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Aww man, isnt it a bit early in the day for Zerohege Paranoid BS?

 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:58 | 5893938 TrulyStupid
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At least its a fact based analysis and not a simplistic ad hominem attack like your comment. If you don't like these kind of articles for which Zerohedge is widely visited..post elsewhere in a more likeminded, fantasy based forum like  foxnews...

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:01 | 5893951 NotApplicable
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Found the statist.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 12:28 | 5894493 messystateofaffairs
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For sheeple, heighted awareness is paranoia.  For the aware it's never too early to stay alert in times of danger.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 12:35 | 5894509 Refuse-Resist
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Downvote. Yeah it's me.

 

Isn't a bit late for "the government is good" and "everything is fine" BS?

 

Yes, Mildred, it is.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 09:55 | 5893921 Chuck Knoblauch
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Yellen wants to give every American a free can of tuna.

 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:02 | 5893956 NotApplicable
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Half a can. The other half is water/oil.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:15 | 5894000 Chuck Knoblauch
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Not even chunky white?

The bitch!

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:23 | 5894036 GeezerGeek
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And as an added bonus, a free helping of Fukushima radiation!

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:38 | 5894094 medium giraffe
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Self cooking Tuna. It's not a bug, it's a feature.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:54 | 5894148 screw face
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....zerohedge FUKU...bitchez

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:10 | 5893981 Ban KKiller
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Redress against banking crime, by individuals, is dead. YOU can not even be heard...

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:18 | 5894008 Smegley Wanxalot
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Oh great, the commie fist bullshit logo.  Fuck this article.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:22 | 5894021 UserZero
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Hmmm... "since 1860" is a pretty interesting benchmark, given that the notion of sovereignty - at least as guaranteed to each State by the Constitution via a Republican Form of Government - ceased to have meaning on April 6, 1861.

"American System" economics: debt-based, fiat money controlled by a privately-owned, central bank; regionally-unbalanced protectionist tariffs; Hamiltonian crony "capitalism"; direct federal taxation; a "national" citizenry; "internal improvements" pork; a large, standing army and military adventurism for the purposes of territorial expansion and "imperial glory" [sic]... the (former) Whigs' replacement for all the ills from which the Colonies declared their independence.

Americans' collective understanding of sovereignty has been nonexistent for over 150 years. No wonder, then, that it's only necessary to 'fool' some of the people (20%) all of the time to keep the entire herd in line.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:31 | 5894074 MATA HAIRY
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captain kangaroo looked better with a moustache

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:36 | 5894092 Monetas
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Environmental leftists .... have wet dreams .... about a nuclear holocaust .... they hate people polluting their .... World Conservancy for Enlightened Socialist Survivors .... Algore, Charter Member .... Hillbillary, Secretary of Estate .... rocks have more rights than people .... for these luney tunes !

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:48 | 5894124 rejected
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..... Then they kill you

 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 10:50 | 5894135 XitSam
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"When 20% of the populace no longer believe the lies and begins questioning the state's enforcement of the status quo, the government devotes its resources to punishing dissenters and resisters."

Please cite a source for this statistic.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 11:09 | 5894207 shovelhead
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87% of all internet statistics are made up on the fly.1

 

1 Dr. Shovelhead's Internet Facts

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 12:15 | 5894446 messystateofaffairs
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Pareto Distribution, I invented it.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 11:15 | 5894226 Species8472
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So WWII was an existential threat? Really, Japan/Germany was going to invade and enslave us if we did not enter the war? Don't think so.

 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 12:46 | 5894554 Refuse-Resist
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You're right.

 

WWII was an existential threat for the banker tribe ponzi scheme.

 

Hence the need to get huge numbers of white people to slaughter each other.  Thus, Pearl Harbor and the surprise 'day that will live in infamy'.

 

Oh yeah, 12/7/41 lives in infamy, but not because of the 'surprise attack', but because it was allowed to happen to motivate the AMerican people to enter a war they did not want.  ~4k Americans were sacrificed for the banker agenda.

 

Gulf of Tonkin... Hmm.  58k dead including my Uncle who was drafted.

 

9/11, a New Pearl Harbor (trademark PNAC).  Yeah, history doesn't repeat but it sure the fuck rhymes.

 

These traitors and criminals will face justice for the death and destruction they've caused.  I hope it's in this life because I don't believe in Sky Fathers dispensing justice.

 

Each to his own though.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 11:17 | 5894231 VWAndy
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One thing about going feral. Its predictable, very predictable.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 12:01 | 5894392 MedicalQuack
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Professor Siefe of NYU gives the lecture and does a great job.  He also wrote the book "Proofiness, the Dark Arts of Mathematical Deception"..good stuff.

This is how we all get duped and duped again and sure algorithms can be used to build a case, and scary if flawed. 

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.it/2012/01/context-is-everythingmore-about-dark.html

After you get arrested now all your friends may have to cough up 20 cents to read about it online too.  Do take a look at this start up that WSJ and NYT are into along with a few others.  They need money and it's those cheap cash rich corporations that won't support the news a little more that are at fault and when you think about it...how greedy and dumb can they get as we rely on "news feeds" to move stock bots..duh??

So here's the next step to madness and oh by the way, all of these 20 cent charges will be on your credit card...that's right more data to sell for outfits like Argus that buy all your credit card transactions, they score and analyze your behavior and then sell that to banks, insurers and even the the government...out lousy low hanging fruit Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.  I still think Cordray, who runs it was a Jamie Dimon pick.  He does just enough to make the news once in a while to show he's doing something and remember this office is part of the Office of the Comptroller of the Currency who is the government regulator of bank, to include their math models and so on.  

http://ducknetweb.blogspot.com/2014/08/argus-analytics-produces-share-of.html

 

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 12:36 | 5894510 pine_marten
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What happens when the whole facade reeks brazenly of falseness like rotting mackerel in the Moonlight?

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 13:06 | 5894627 RazvanM
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Fortunately, very close to Europe is Russia, the Temple of Real Freedom and of the Good, non-liberal Government, where there are good laws and the security forces are gentle and show good manners toward all Russian citizens. Where the leaders are honest, smart and real servants of their people.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 13:48 | 5894782 PTR
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Statism- we're only one more regulation away from nirvana.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 14:02 | 5894864 NuYawkFrankie
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re First They Lie - When That Fails, They Arrest You 

Oh yeah? The ZIO-PUNK USSA can kiss my a$$.

Mon, 03/16/2015 - 15:14 | 5895101 Martian Moon
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Rule via violence is inefficient

But it seems that efficiency, or even the state of the economy itself, no longer troubles the state

Let that sink in

The farmer no longer seems to care about the cattle

Tue, 03/17/2015 - 04:14 | 5897122 Magooo
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Seriously - who gives a fuck about this --- when I am trying to pack as much fun in as humanly possible before civilization ends.

 

Sliver lining...  estimates are that about 115 billion humans have lived on this planet.

 

I am just so happy to not have to grow old --- and that I have a front row seat (with crates of Scotch and a big ol wine cellar) to watch the sun go down on civilization as we know it.

 

WHAT ARE THE ODDS OF WITNESSING THE GRAND EVENT?  I FEEL LIKE I HAVE WON THE DOOMSDAY LOTTERY.  WOW!

 

We all gotta die sometime.   

 

The good thing is most everyone else is going to die with you (and those that don't will wish they had) so it's not like you will be missing anything.

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