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Russia Escalates Military Posture: Deploys Strategic Bombers To Crimea, Launches Massive Drills Across Nation
All those who were wondering where Putin had "disappeared" to, and spreading rumors whether it was more likely his girlfriend had given birth in Switzerland or aliens had abducted him, will probably be satisfied if he were to promptly disappear once more following news that not only yesterday had he put 40,000 troops on full alert as part of "snap-readiness exercises", but less than 24 hours followed this up with even more demonstrative military "drills" after Sputnik reported that Russian strategic Tu-22M3 (Backfire) strike bombers have been deployed to the Crimean Peninsula to hold snap combat readiness drills, a source in the Russian Defense Ministry said Tuesday, in addition to further massive troops and equipment deployment tests in the western part of the nation as well as around the Arctic circle.
As a reminder, Crimea was recently in the news following a weekend report citing Putin that he was ready to use nukes to secure the recently repossessed peninsula. So one can perhaps look at this as de-escalation.
“During the snap combat readiness drills by the Armed Forces, strategic Tu-22M3s will be deployed to Crimea,” the source said.
Then, perhaps to counter the build of NATO troops in the Baltics, Russia also deployed fighters and bombers to the country’s western exclave of Kaliningrad for snap combat readiness exercises, a source in the Russian Defense Ministry said Tuesday.
“Fighter and bomber aviation is to be redeployed to the Kaliningrad Region, and ground troops on the Baltic will be reinforced with Iskander missile complexes in the Western Military District that will be delivered on large landing ships from the Baltic Fleet,” the source said.
On Monday, President Vladimir Putin gave the order to bring Russia's Northern Fleet, separate units of the Western Military District and the Airborne Troops to full alert in snap combat readiness exercises. The drills involve a total of 38,000 troops, 3,360 military vehicles, 110 aircraft and helicopters, 41 ships and 15 submarines.
Snap military exercises will be held in the sea, as well as on the ground and in the air until March 21. Their ultimate goal is to improve the military capabilities of the Russian Armed Forces, according to the Defense Ministry.
And then completing the trifecta, in addition to Crimea and Kaliningrad, as many as 30 army air force crews of Russia's Western Military District are being redeployed from airfields in the Leningrad and Smolensk regions to a military airfield near the Arctic Circle as part of surprise combat readiness drills being held in the Northern Fleet and the Western Military District, according to an Interfax report.
"Army air force crews, which make up routine squadrons, are being redeployed. During the flight, the crews are practicing their pilot skills flying in units and near ground level," the Russian Defense Ministry has reported.
As a further reminder, Russia has been particularly interested in weaponizing the Arctic in recent months, the location of countless energy deposits, announcing late in 2014 it would build 13 airfields and 10 radar stations to meet "unwelcome guests." This is just a preview
The crews operating Mil Mi-24 and Mi-8 helicopters will have to cover more than 1,500 kilometers with a refueling stopover in the Republic of Karelia.
"Upon arrival, the army air force crews from the Western Military Districts will join a simulated operation to drop a landing force at a military training range, as well as will practice providing support for the Land Forces from the air, will conduct an air strike simulation against ground targets using missile and ballistic weapons, and will take part in simulated search and rescue operations," the ministry said.
Earlier, Russian President Vladimir Putin ordered the Northern Fleet, Armed Forces units in the Western Military District and the Airborne Troops to conduct combat readiness exercises, involving 38,000 servicemen, 3,360 units of military hardware, 41 combat ships, 15 submarines, as well as 110 airplanes and helicopters.
As Sputnik adds, military transport aviation crews of the Russian Air Force were redeployed from the Pskov region to the Severny airfield in the city of Ivanovo for further moving of personnel and equipment to a northern airfield, the press office of the Defense Ministry said in a statement Tuesday.
"Military transport aviation crews will deliver paratroop units to a military airfield in Russia’s polar region under a snap combat readiness exercise. More than 10 Il-76 aircraft will be used for the redeployment. The aircraft will fly over 3,000 kilometers in 24 hours. The redeployment will take place in the daytime and in the nighttime," according to the statement.
According to the Defense Ministry, the exercises will continue until March 21
Many more are coming: the Russian Defense Ministry announced in December 2014 it planned to hold at least 4,000 military drills across the country in 2015.
And with the US now deploying tanks, armors and various other vehicles literally just across the Russian western border and soon, the Arctic as well, the possibility of an unexpected and unwelcome escalation in hostilities rises with every new military drill.
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Russian President Putin says Ukraine crisis threatens nuclear war
By Alex Lantier17 March 2015
According to a documentary aired Sunday on Russian public television, featuring interviews with Russian President Vladimir Putin, Russia prepared for nuclear war after last year’s pro-Western putsch on February 21-22 in the Ukrainian capital, Kiev.
After an all-night meeting with Russian security officials, Putin decided at dawn on February 23 to prepare the return of Crimea to Russia. Fearing that far-right Ukrainian nationalist militias would attack the largely ethnic Russian population of Crimea and the strategic Russian naval base at Sevastopol, Russia mobilized forces it stationed in Crimea, under the terms of Russia’s lease of the Sevastopol base.
The Crimean population ultimately voted to rejoin Russia, and pro-Kiev forces in Crimea did not resist and were allowed to escape Crimea unharmed. “We monitored the situation and had to bring in our equipment,” Putin said. “They would have been wiped out after the first salvo.”
According to Putin, however, as the Kremlin and the Russian military began their planning, they did not know whether NATO would react by going to war: “This could not be understood immediately, therefore at the first stage of work, I was accordingly forced to provide guidance to our Armed Forces. And not just provide guidance, but issue direct instructions, orders regarding the possible conduct of Russia and our armed forces given any development of events.”
Putin said he was ready for “the most adverse development of events.”
http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2015/03/17/nucl-m17.html
If this thing does go hot, I wanna see that fucking psychopath Breedlove "walking point".
if only the cocksucker would go to the frontline...
not going to happen, he knows who waits for him ;-)
GUARDS !! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qmqPByZFiw
Breedlove, like the rest of the neocon/neoliberal warmongers, talk a good line of shit but will do essentially nothing. There is no military scenario where the pro USSA Ukie forces can beat Russia, including going nuclear. NATO ground troops, for example, would be eliminated once they entered Russia via tactical nukes. If Hitler and Napoleon couldn't do it, Obama certainly can't.
This is why the USSA keeps launching false flags against Russia, and uses 'isolation' to force regime change in Russia. Unfortunately for the geographically challenged idiots that control foreign policy in the USSA, one look at a global map would tell you that Russia, with 1/6th of the worlds land mass and sharing more borders with different countries than any other nation, is impossible to isolate.
...W W # 3 just waiting for Israeli election results first.
How dare they.
Obama needs to find that tank and helmet Dukakis used and stage a forceful photo-op right now.
Dunno man... It would be stiff competition between the Savior and Do-Cock-Us for the most spindly neck... Just the thought of such a sight should make one pause...
What's the point of stationing nukes in Crimea? So they can incinerate Africa a few seconds earlier?
Putin's back, the neocon coup flopped, and now he is rubbing failure into their noses. This is Putins way of giving the middle finger to Nuland/Nudel men and stooges.
l'll bet the Ukie Oligarchs are starting to shit themselves, realizing that they picked the wrong side.
He looks real good considering he was dead last week.
All this crap is so 1975. Kaputin and his idle nuclear threats. Obozo and his Iran nuclear deals.
They're just getting you ready for another arms race to save the fucking global economy before it goes "poof".
And enough with the pictures of these fucking planes and missiles. Iran attacking fake aircraft carriers..........
Boooooo, this movie is not worth the price of admission.
The US lost 500,000 people in WWII.
Russia lost 20 million.
They aren't big on "idle threats".
You missed the word nuclear.
" We went on nuclear alert", " nuclear readiness"..... " we are going to install nuclear weapons in Crimea.......blah blah blah.
Screwing up peoples' live with all the usual fear tactics. Put a couple hundred missiles in Crimea. Who cares? They are already in silos, submarines, planes and who knows where else.
And the sun will rise tomorrow and we will still all be here.
What the heck are the Russians supposed to do man, NATO just cant seem to understand 'back off dude'. Eventually NATO is going to poke their noses into Russia and somebody is going to get shot, and its not like they werent warned.
damn. I just promised myself I would not comment, today, but no, COSMOS has to come again with one giant generalization
how many military forces from how many countries are "NATO"? as a reminder, the whole thing is built up as a defensive alliance
now, you might be right or not with "What the heck are the Russians supposed to do man...", but Russia is staging a lot of "military ballets"
so the answer to that is "military ballets" staged by NATO. it's damn choreografic reaction
which countries, meanwhile, have to understand your "back off, dude"? it's way less then the NATO total of them. Among them are Poland, the US and the UK, btw
but no, NATO as such has no business in "poking it's nose into Russia". and no, NATO will not "poke it's nose into Russia"
if indeed someone will poke his nose into something, the probability will be great that it will be some "unmarked, unregistered armed combatant unit" from a deniable source. a "game" that many are playing, nowadays (and which I find even more distasteful then "straight" war)
of course, a lot of this depends on your definition of Russia. as a reminder, the per-treaties-agreed boundaries of Russia don't go as far as "NovoRussyia".
But without going into the merits or not of what "New Russia" really is (historically the old colonial boundaries of the Tsarist Russian Empire. See "New France", "New England", "New Spain"),
from the perspective of the upcoming EU Council vote, all this choreographic military splendor (I love the Backfires, btw) is bloody inopportune. How the heck are the EU Foreign Ministers going to prepare a vote to drop the sanctions if the Cremlin insists on staging all this? Could all this not have waited one week?
except if... there is absolutely no will, by the Cremlin, to have some resolution based on the current circumstances. and this is the impression I am getting, besides crazy NeoCon talk (and action) on that
to the noble EUaphile:"the EU is death come to breakfast.'..much like europe pre wwI, stumbling into a war no one wanted fought by generals using 18th century tactics resulting in millions dead, not many elites met that fate tho. today that will not be the case with weapons of the 20th century (nuke)
Hey ghordius your comments as usual tie themseles into a useless knot. Dude you just blabber and try to obfuscate.
COSMOS, then I'll make one simple question: where should the boundaries of the Russian Federation be, in your opinion?
ahhh... still waiting...
I think we need a Peace Conference to determine that. :P
Obviously a EU land grabbing technocrat like yourself has a a few plans and coups in mind already to define the boundaries of the EU empire, and I think your aspirations are for a Pacific coast border for your corrupt cabal.
is that an answer about Russian boundaries? still waiting...
You're still waiting because your question is invalid outside of your own paradigm.
You statist perspective becomes obvious when you imply that one single entity (the person answering your question as proxy for the State) can determine the borders of a country.
The proper borders of any legitimate country will be imposed by an emergent process in which factor things like economy, ethnicity, diplomacy, shared cultured and goodwill, as various internal regions.secede, as various external regions ask to be annexed, willingly.
To imply that borders should be drawn and imposed by some governing entity in an act of territorial hegemony stinks of millenia-old top-down empire building.
Get with the program.
do you imply that the Russian Federation has no "statist perspective"? I have to admit it is coherent to the meme that it's Russia-The-Nation fighting and Russia-The-State watching
interesting world order paradigm you are proposing. a vanguard of valiant colonists followed by a rearguard of... state, nevertheless
do the Ukrainians have a right to defend, in this paradigm? and if yes, what have they the right to defend? only themselves? their Nation? their territories?
you do realize that it is an Imperial Order Scheme that has already been used several times in history, don't you?
The answer to your question - despite your desperate attempts to make it as complicated as possible via legalisms - is simple: where 'should' the borders of the Russian Federation end? Why, wherever the citizens living on its borders wish it to end.
It's pretty clear that much of Eastern Ukraine wish to be in the Russian Federation. Who are the Eastern Ukrainians to deny them their wish?
America, as a nation, has existed since 1776. But it wasn't born 'fully formed'. Texas, California, the Pacific Northwest, were NOT part of the United States at that time. Does that mean these parts are 'truly American'? Or is it more complex than that?
Russia has existed as a nation since closer to the year 1300. While America has always (?) been a republic, Russia has most often been ruled by a czar or khan. One man, entrusted with leading the nation. That doesn't mean one way is right, and the other is wrong! Clearly, having a czar or khan works FOR RUSSIA.
One answer could be: Wherever they prove strong enough to dominate and Force the boundaries Westward. After all, to some extent, would that not simply be a re-taking of what was promised to them 20 years ago to 'Not one inch Eastward'...?
Being a eurotechnocrat like yourself why dont you tell us where you envision the boundaries of your empire to lie after you are done with your coups, I guess that is where the Russian boundaries will be if they dont cut your nose and ears off. It seems your little EU does not believe in referendums. It is refusing to recognize Catalonia's referendum in Spain and threatening the region. It doesnt recognize the referendums in Ukraine or Crimea, but it does the one in Kosovo. It also doesnt recognize the referendum of the Hungarian region in Transylvania. The EU is the business partner of the USA in overthrowing governments. When are you going to let the people's voice count for once...I'm STILL WAITING
is that an answer about Russian boundaries? still waiting...
The question has been answered but you can wait as long as you want for an answer that fits your wishes. You will only get it from like minded trolls as yourself. Hope one day your house gets shelled by artillery so you can see what that feels like firsthand.
don't worry, I know exactly how it feels being shelled. I hate war, I hated war before I made the experiences and I still hate war. and this is one of the reasons why I make a few pointed questions you don't want to answer directly
All the way to the white cliffs of dover.
Perfectly put!
agree
he all over the place
Ghordius, your base of information regarding NATO is all wrong. NATO was created as a counterbalance to the USSR, and SEATO to China. In truth both communist countries were created using tax money generously provided by the Federal Reserve. NATO was the cover story to keep us all scared while the NWO created it. The USSR is gone so there is no need for NATO, right? Wrong. NATO was created as the prototype of NWO international military enforcers. NATO is a massive parasite.
I like your penname.Do not forget CENTO AKA The bagdad pact.
I like your penname.Do not forget CENTO AKA The bagdad pact.
Correct, it won't be just millions dead, it will be billions dead if not everyone on the planet. Good luck surviving in a biosphere poisoned by all of the nuclear detonations and all of the nuclear reactors that melt down--not to mention the spent fuel pools that will pollute the biosphere for decades or more.
How long can too government officials hide in caves before they all go berserk??
US psycopaths must be deluding themselves with successful first strike fantasy; how else can 300 million+ exposed americans survive?
Psychopaths by definition don't care whether 300 million goyim survive or not. To them, the only thing that matters is keeping the herd thin enough to be controlled and sufficiently technologically backward that they choke on scarcity i.e. remain dependent upon an elite predatory class.
None of that can I do anything about. And I did my time in the past wars I am to lod now to be called up.
So this time no matter what happens I get to at last be the one sitting home watching it on TV.
The rest of you young ones sorry about your luck.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A1AnvM3udVs
And a provocitive action before that vote is taken should be ignored or let pass ? is your solution EU Ghordius ? They have been asked not to push , they have been told not to push, a next time and they will be punished. Putin has taken the soft road, many Russians would now prefer a more positve gesture.
Ghordius, you are right about the 'military ballets' but totally wrong about who is leading and who is reacting. These Russian exercises are a RESPONSE to the NATO exercises that started in Estonia last week. USA tanks have been parading up and down the Russian border for the last week so surprise, surprise, Russia replies with its own parade. If you lament the Russian actions this week you should doubly condemn the NATO provocation launched last week. Why couldnt NATO have waited until next week? Because it wanted to pour oil on the fire before the EU meeting. Last year the UK deployed fighter jets which paraded up and down the Russian border, A few months later Russia sends bombers to return the favour by flying round the UK. UK squeals but they asked for the visitors by their own aggressive actions. NATO does the provoking and Russia responds exactly as predicted. Of course the first big provocation was Nulands Coup in Kiev that led to Russia policing Crimea in response. Examine the timeline - the West is always aggressing and Russia defending. Alas NATO stopped being a defensive alliance when it illegally (under international law) invaded Serbia in 1999. NATO has been offensive, in every sense, ever since.
There is a difference in the actions. The NATO tanks (and other heavy weapons to follow) have actually moved to Russia's borders. There they will stay and increase. Russia just parades within it's borders and flies planes in international airspace.
"the West is always aggressing and Russia defending" - yes, and the west is always advancing and Russia is always backing up. Crimea was an excellent move but was only accomplished due to the ethnic russian population.
Serbia? Where was the reaction? Just more parades within Russia. Russia should have grown a pair when it was clear Iraq1 was being staged. Better yet, Russia/Soviets should have had the backbone to follow through with Cuba instead of being chased off. After that once they started backing up it has not stopped.
Serbia? Where was the reaction? Just more parades within Russia. Russia should have grown a pair when it was clear Iraq1 was being staged.
And thereafter?
Cyprus, where the main goal was to cut economic ties (and dependencies) to Russian money?
Heard about Syria? You think Obomber stopped invading because of some negotiation result?
Cyprus? Cyprus was looted and it's gold appears to be gone.
Syria? Syria has been and continues to be bombed by the west and it's allies. Syria is largely destroyed and it continues. The planes ignore Russia and Syrian planes have been shot down. A Jordanian was also shot down but neither Russia nor Syria has dared fire on the planes from the west or Israel.
Syria is being taken down the Libya path. Russia/Putin is so afraid of upsetting the west that he cancelled the contract to allow Syria to purchase russian missiles. Putin feared what might result if Syria used a russian missile to shoot down a plane from NATO or Israel.
Sidestepping is your favorite hobby?
Cyprus was looted
So why was it looted, but other similar EU backwater countries weren't?
Syria is being taken down the Libya path.
So the US was not in full preparations for Syrian on the ground invasion before calling it off at the last minute?
I stand corrected, I should have taken the context of the NATO part of this ballet. but escalation does work this way. it's always the answer to a previous move
my core question was: couldn't have waited the EU Council vote? judging from many interesting answers alone, I would gather that there is no interest in such niceties
the mental picture I am having is of a Russian nationalism that sees itself fighting for space regardless of what Moscow says or does. lots of memes buzzing around looking this way. so maskirowska it is. sad
So Putin steals Crimea and then bites off a bit of Donbass, what in reaction to Nato ?. The Budapest
Memorandum signed by Russia, the US, the UK and Ukraine and to certain extents France and China
in 1994 gave Ukraine terretorial integrity in exchange for its Nukes. But still its Nato who are provoking !?
Downvotes........3.2.1
Downvoted, as requested.
That is exactly the countdown his mom did before he was born. I guess she knew what a looser he would turn out to be. I feel sorry for him cause I think the first downvote he always gets is from his mom.
Budapest Memorandum? You've never even read it, have you?
Of the six committments enumerated in the Budapest memorandum, the US violated #1, #3, and #6.
https://www.msz.gov.pl/en/p/wiedenobwe_at_s_en/news/memorandum_on_securi...
Downvoted you for pompous fuckheadery.
... from the perspective of the upcoming EU Council vote...
Ha ! I have news for ya; the "EU Council vote" is the textbook definition of irrelevancy if there ever was one. You guys keep masquerading as a world power while your stuffed union cracks at the seams. You wanna go to war with Russia ? With what money ? Who's gonna fight for you ? Pathetic... or, as per an old saying: "the leper goat keeps its tail high".
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Made me laugh. Go tell that joke to the Libyans.
"Russia lost 20 million."
And Russia/Soviets never again engaged a western power directly again. They backed down every single time.
Russia will not be invaded by uniformed troops. Internal chaos may be planned. It was not that long ago when Russia/Soviets were dismantled economicly and in more recent years instead of building good foundations they banked big profits.
As far as "ilde threats", since WWII they have been big on idle threats.
That precise approach brought Putin in power, after the miserable Yeltsin years. Good luck with that strategy, a second time... /s
Russia lost 20 million to kick Nazi asses while you Americunt just "liberated" us when Hitler was weakened like hell, then you declared yourselves as the victorious in a Hollywood style propaganda.
If those Russians haven't broke Hitler ass, we will all speak German by now (including you in USA).
Breedlove? I think a typo, should have read Dr Stranglove.
This looks more like a warning to his own people as santions take hold and they look at him as the ahole causing it.
Yeah, What part of "Yankee Go Home" don't we get?
Every part
When woman says no, it really means yes in US dialect
You must be a man despite the boobs for an avatar.
I like boobs ...
Man boobs are the new boobs... [His name was Robert Paulson]
growth hormone boobs on men, but she said go fuck a cow.
It's actually estrogen aromatase - usually from use of highly androgenic steroid compounds that cause 'Man-boobs'. Of course there are other non-chemically induced forms of the disorder, but I digress... HGH side effects are usually organ-enlargement oriented - enlarged heart, intestine, etc. All for the love of a 21" ripped arm. Been there...
Must listen for all you Gen X, Y, Z types:
This ain't no car alarm you mooks!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2a30--j37Q
However, All this saber rattling over Ukraine and Crimea could be a ploy to divert Russian forces so we can attack Syria.
Oooops... I just heard pounding at my door..
The Middle East is where the rub is at from 'them' - in particular Jerusalem.
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The Zionists want to establish the NEW WORLD (ORDER) COURT on the Temple Mount. But before you can set that up, the al-Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock most be removed/destroyed.
So the 'Rock' (under the Dome) is where Muslims believe Mohammed ascended into Heaven. Pretty sure they won't be allowing construction there, let alone destruction!
No Means Yes, Yes Means Anal
Custer didn't get it, and he is lionized.
Chalky wont get it, and will be ionized.
Absolutely bloody brilliant couldn't stop laughing.
If we go to war with Russia GDP is going to beat expectations SOOO bad, son!
And so it begins...
It never really ends.
3rd time's a charm?
i read the headlines and craig roberts and get very depressed.
is it real? escalating to hot war with russia? i know russians and they are no different than you and i. we were so close to a friendly co-existant relationship
with russia with so much to gain cementing world cooperation and stability in europe. but now, so saddening.
kinda at a loss for words, but the hatred boils inside...
This deteriorated relationship can be laid directly at the feet of one Mrs. Hillary Clinton, she of the Russian Reset fame. People still ask, "Just what in hell did she accomplish in her tenure as SoS?" Well here's your answer.
The NeoCons just don't know when to stop! Disgusting!
Let's look at all the Neocon wars since 1990:
The Great War of the American Empire began 25 years ago. It began on August 2, 1990 with the Gulf War against Iraq and continues to the present
Following the Gulf War, the U.S. government engages America and Americans non-stop in one substantial military operation or war after another. In the 1990s, these include Iraq no-fly zones, Somalia, Bosnia, Macedonia, Haiti, Zaire, Sierra Leone, Central African Republic, Liberia, Albania, Afghanistan, Sudan, and Serbia. In the 2000s, the Empire begins wars in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Libya, and gets into serious military engagements in Yemen, Pakistan, and Syria. It has numerous other smaller military missions in Uganda, Jordan, Turkey, Chad, Mali, and Somalia. Some of these sub-wars and situations of involvement wax and wane and wax again. The latest occasion of American Empire intervention is Ukraine where, among other things, the U.S. military is slated to be training Ukrainian soldiers.
https://www.lewrockwell.com/2015/02/michael-s-rozeff/the-neocon-long-war...
The neocon/ziocon wars in the mideast were all planned in the 1990s by Perle, Wurmser, Feith, Wolfowitz, Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc. They were all called "the crazies in the basement" under Reagan.
The PNAC Revolutionary New Pearl Harbor in 2001 was the false flag catalyst used to manufacture the consent for it all...and so much more.
Wake up donkeys.
right, the US went 'full retard' after 9/11 almost as if it was planned...........so it begs the question, what comes after 'full retard'
It's not two sides.......it's just the one......and it has members from both.
Why do you think Nancy Pelosi vowed to protect John Boehner?
politics is like a bitch with a cock.
You forgot the opening shot against the peoples of the U.S.: the 9/11 false flag attack.
Edit: Oops! FF beat me to it.
So Obama is a Neocunt? I mean Con
"Bush did it first."
Don't worry Putin. Mooochelle has the balls of the POTUS. Obama's balls all end up in the water
Obobo's legacy
Smoking Ruins ?
His legacy? Smoking Cock.
Never give a weapon to an Ape...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kXcnlie9k8w
Fortunately, Obama is not an ape and he has no weapons, oh wait...
Lavrov: "Monkey with a Hand Grenade."
Putin moves his bishop
Obama playing checkers still
Putin was off getting plastic surgery to keep up this youthful appearance. This is very important to Putin because he was actually born in 1869 and originally went by the name Rasputin. After a series of unsuccessful attempts on his life he dropped the "Ras" in 1916 and has been replenishing himself with new coats of human skin, a process which usually takes 10 days to complete.
And how about David Rockefeller?
http://i.ytimg.com/vi/NHGm49hhOmw/maxresdefault.jpg
( Dark Humor ) Ultimately, drinking the blood of infants is actually not so bad ...
An impressive show, a tremendous waste of money.
Strategic bombers in Crimea add nothing. Neither does the snap alert of 40,000 troops. The troops are being jerked around. The money has to come from someplace. Far better this than more Russian penetration of Ukraine. Which, I note for the benefit of this board, remains a sovereign country.
Ukraine remains a sovereign, Tuesday humor right ?
Troops need to excercise for readyness.
If Ukraine is a sovereign country then what about the illegal, U.S.-funded junta in Kiev, instituted by political organizations, (NGO's) given five billion dollars by Washington, as revealed by “fuck the EU” Victoria Nuland. Ukraine was broke, and political parties and organizations were vastly financed by foreign nations, (US & EU) which then encouraged them with covert and overt means to foment a violent coup. The junta in Kiev then illegally deposed the democratic president, and then illegally deposed all of its governors.
And the West has the right to preach about respecting Ukraine's sovereignity. A little duplicity here?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&x-yt-ts=1422503916...
insisting on sovereignty is strictly speaking the Old World Order. insisting on Ukraine not being a sovereign country... is either New World Order or a reaction to NWO
if you insist on Ukraine not being a sovereign, then you are giving it's territory free for... what exactly? Might Makes Right?
Self-determination?
:P
isn't self-determination one of those newer points, one of those that America, among others, pushed? mainly for the drive to... independence?
but yes, fine. how about a referendum? of course, I mean one that I can watch? a long-to-be-prepared one, which a peaceful discussion beforehand?
note that I am quite sure the pro-Russian side would win a proper one. what I do not like, though, is when a "marriage" is rushed, during fog and night
as a side point, it would give our dear US Neo-Cons less ground to stand on
The marriage was rushed because someone was trying to make the bride pregnant.
And it wasn't the groom.
By developing this allegory so far, you disconnected it even more from reality.
The Backfire is not strategic, even if they put the aerial refueling probes back on that were taken off for SALT One.
correct, the Backfire is Naval Aviation. it's standard operational scope is killing ships with missiles. lovely piece of engineering, btw
No! its not a sovereign country, its us bought and paid for. Ask victoria nudlemam, you jnow the 'f the eu' warmonger, posing as a diplomat.
in the (very old) european perspective (aka "Old World Order), no sovereign country ceases to be a sovereign only because it's government is whatever it is. in that perspective, you might even go to war because the new government is insufferable, and yet it's still a sovereign country, a status that is not lost even during occupation
I'm not sure if all the commenters here understand what this meme of "Ukraine is no sovereign country" really means. It's a propagandistic action to declare it as a territory up for grabs
fresh from those who insist that "NovoRussyia" should become < insert nationality here >. just saying
Gifting parts of one country to another through despotic prerogatives is a funny way to gain sovereignity.
corsair, yes. it is funny, for our modern eyes, including gaining sovereign territories through inheritance or marriage
but the modern Russian Federation ain't a anarcho-capitalist bunch of sovereignty/state-haters. it's a conservative polity, in this moment, and a sovereign nation, too
in fact I guess you are honest enough to admit that the Russian Nation is a very highly prioritized agenda point of the Cremlin and the Russian population
so it all boils down to the question I posed above to cosmos: where do you think the boundaries of the Russian Federation ought to be?
I was aluding to Ukraine's sovereignity and the fact that the last piece of its sovereign territory was gifted to that Soviet Republic a mere 60 years ago through an act of despotic whim by Khrushchev (that being only the last in a succession of simmilar acts in the past by Lenin and Stalin).
As for boundaries of the Russian Federation, I think we need a new set of rules (globally) before we can answer that question. Personally, I'm also interested in where boundaries of Serbia ought to be.
"an act of despotic whim by Khrushchev"
Did the Russians generally or his communist party comrades specifically protest it at the time ?
Look up the word "despot".
so the answer is no ?
Khrushchev was no Stalin, or was he ?
Excerpt from http://news.bbc.co.uk/onthisday/hi/dates/stories/february/25/newsid_2703... :
" 1956: Khrushchev lashes out at Stalin
The Soviet leader, Nikita Khrushchev, has denounced Joseph Stalin as a brutal despot.
In a sensational speech to the 20th Congress of the Communist Party Mr Khrushchev painted a graphic picture of a regime of "suspicion, fear, and terror" built up under the former dictator who died three years ago.
He said he wanted to break the "Stalin cult" that has held Soviet citizens in its thrall for 30 years.
The prime minister described the purges during the period of 1936-38.
He implied that one of Stalin's most trusted aides Kirov had been assassinated in 1934 at the leader's behest. "
Is it likely not even high party officials would dare to question him giving away Crimea ?
All Soviet leaders were despots by design.
I'm not talking about their individual brutality, but about their prerogatives.
Your thinking is rather binary on this topic, and probably on purpose as it seems you do not want truth to undermine your argument. You already decided beforehand where you want to land. Maybe this issue touches your personal interests more than mine. Furthermore, the question whether anybody voiced opposition has little to do with prerogatives. Thanks for sparring anyways.
Your thinking is rather binary on this topic
Well, at least it's not all zeros.
pre·rog·a·tive(pr?-r?g??-t?v)n.
1. An exclusive right or privilege held by a person or group, especially a hereditary or official right.2. The exclusive right and power to command, decide, rule, or judge
Whether anybody voiced opposition is completely irrelevant.
You are welcome.
"Whether anybody voiced opposition is completely irrelevant."
It is not completely irrelevant.
If nobody voiced any sort of opposition, not even individuals in the upper echelons in the communist party, your 'despotic whim argument' carries less water.
( Besides, if you were a despot with that attitude you would not last very long.)
corsair, my bad, I forgot your Serbian point of view in this (you mentioned it, once). that one is even more complicated, isn't it?
but I find it interesting that you point to a new set of rules. question is, how long does it take for a multi-polar world to agree on a new set of rules?
enjoyed reading from you. I see cosmos has still not answered, and this is an answer for itself. have a good day
Ghordius: "where do you think the boundaries of the Russian Federation ought to be?"
With due respect to your intellectual athleticism, I think your question is misdirected. The real question is actually 3 main questions: 1. "How far does the USA think its spheres of influence should extend?"; 2. What threats does Russia perceive in US/EU/NATO moves such as the coup in Ukraine, moving NATO forces into eastern Europe up to Russia's borders, sanctions against Russia's financial interests, economic warfare against Russia, and in US/NATO/ISRAEL/US-ME allies moves against Syria, Iraq, and Iran; and 3. What measures does Russia see as necessary to counter moves made against it and its allies?
The opinion of Cosmos, and my opinion, of where the boundaries of the Russian Federation should be are of little import in these larger geopolitical questions, IMHO. (with due respect to Cosmos as having the perfect right to her opinions. I have found the comments of Cosmos in many ZH threads to be relevant, reasonable, and well stated).
There can be no doubt that Russia sees its current boundaries as inviolable, and that any move into territories at or near its borders may present an intolerable threat to Russia. The idea that NATO may move into Ukraine and install missile and anti-missile bases along the Russian border is obviously seen by Russia as an intolerable threat. Also, the idea that Russia would be kicked out of its naval base in Crimea was seen as intolerable by Russia.
The current propaganda war waged by the Western media against Putin and Russia has been a great success in the EU and USA. Many, if not most, people in the USA and EU are convinced that Russia invaded Ukraine, that Russia and Putin are evil, and that the EU is under threat of invasion by Russia. EU politicians either swallowed the propaganda or saw it as being in their political interests to follow the sentiments of their voters. When it became more evident recently that the EU was being played by the USA to the detriment and danger of the EU, Merkel and Hollande broke ranks and sought to de-escalate the crisis that the USA was stoking. The Minsk 2 ceasefire accord resulted, but the USA and its puppets in Kiev are doing their best to sabotage the accord and to rejuvenate the Ukrainian threat against the eastern Ukrainian separatists and the threats against Russia itself.
The recent military exercises by NATO forces along Russia's western borders, attempts at a Maidan in Russia, stirring up a natural gas war between the EU and Russia, military adventures in Syria and Iraq with ISIS, negotiations with Iran, and attempts to gain influence in the Central Asian countries at or near Russia's southern border are all moves in the continuing geopolitical games played by the USA as it continues its attempt to secure the survival of its World hegemony and status as the World's sole superpower. As the financial situation of the USA becomes more desperate, with its overwhelming debts, its failing economy, and its increasingly questionable currency (diluted by rampant money-printing, increasingly excluded from international transactions, and losing its sole World Reserve Currency status), the moves by the USA become increasingly reckless. As Paul Craig Roberts has warned us, the neo-cons in Washington have convinced themselves that the USA can win a nuclear war with Russia, and that they should engage Russia in a nuclear war via a first strike.
The moves by the USA/EU/NATO cabal in Ukraine since Russia adeptly arranged to add Crimea to Russia have become increasingly strident, dangerous and reckless, and are constantly raising the threat level against Russia. Russia is responding in kind, since that sort of threat seems to be the language that the neo-cons understand. Putin's attempts at diplomatic solutions from February, 2014 and onward, have not been reciprocated by the cabal. Now it seems that the only exchanges the USA will listen to are old Cold War type threats.
From the late 1990s onward, the USA has been concerned over the increasing political and economic ties of the EU with Russia. The USA saw itself losing economic and political influence. With the Ukraine coup and moves in and with the EU, such as sanctions, and provoking EU obstruction of the Russian South Stream gas pipeline project, the USA sought to drive a wedge between the EU and Russia. The USA has been largely successful in this regard. However, rather than submitting to the demands of the Western powers, Russia is increasingly turning to China and the other nations in the Shanghai Cooperation Organization and BRIICS for its political and economic ties. The EU is starting to realize that its political and economic interests are being sacrificed to the ambitions of the USA.
"Today the source of ultimate decision making power over all aspects of Ukrainian's lives,is located, as it has been for centuries, beyond the borders of their country.
-Ukraine A History Orest Subtelny-
ukinazi are getting nervous they know that soon their time comes.
They should be nervous, and they clearly are now that Canada has granted that creepy, rat-faced looking bastard Ratsenyuk citizenship. That war-mongering piece of shit looks just like a child molestor. He deserves to be swinging from the nearest lamp post.
A heroin chic child molester.
Official US spokesperson, lmao.
Puutie going ballistic. Maniac with nukes and oil revenues is dangerous animal. Seems to enjoy chewing his own arm.
Interesting display to reinforce the idea that Russia should never have been considered a peaceful partner in world affairs. Note the comment on stationing more planes in Karelia. That is another captured territory that Russia has kept in undeveloped poverty. Now being used to threaten northern Europe with attack.
Puutie's Paid Puppies will be responding to the dog whistle. More propaganda about how fortunate people are when ruled by a totalitarian Russian.
Ukraine has never been a sovereign country
When the genies of death leave the silos, the war is 12 hours from being over.
88.8% of the Federal Reserve Bank belongs to Russia, since the 50 tones of Russian gold that the Emperor Alexander II loaned to Lincoln was the seed money to organize the Fed. Russia, apparently holds the gold certificates to prove the ownership.
http://ant-63.livejournal.com/112193.html
Satisfied now, obama, you mad bas tard, poke the bear to many times and he will get annoyed, and who can blame him.
How about Russia puts some troops and weapons on the border of Alaska, lets see how long it is before you and your psycopath friends in washington soil yourselves.
Now, where can I emigrate too.
Paraguy looks better every day.
did you mean
I'd rather Putin put some troops on the Mixican border.
interesting idea. on which side?
Does it matter?
He's probably talking about immigration control. :)
You could ask yourself whether that fence 's main purpose is to keep Mexicans out, or to keep American in.
I suggest Washington or NY or some main target place. Excellent essay "Will the Living Envy the Dead' somewhere in my library on the huge problems of Strontium-90 and other fall out products.
Heading towards the light myself when the times comes... Don't want my 2 and 4 year old kids wandering the streets alone scavaging for radioactive food (when my own stash is gone).
He is moving units to the Arctic. Alaska in range.
Moving units to the edge of Eastern Europe- Kalingrad.
NATO moves, Russia counter-moves. (NATO is the aggressor here).
Russia PLAINLY states NATO interference in the Baltic/Ukraine will be responded to.
Any attempt to re-take Crimea will be defended at High Cost. It costs a lot of Rubles to perform SNAP exercises!
Remember, Russians use a hammer to kill a fly: where Western forces would use a brigade, Russians will use a division! That is to say in their way of thinking, this is a proportionate response.
I do not know how more simply they can say, "Back Off, Bud."
Americans: Do you want to die for your Regime's Imperialism?
It seems that it is the Russians who are doing the dieing for the Regime's Imperialism. Puutie says that he has no concerns about how many would be killed in his threatened nuclear war to expand his Imperial Rule.
You are a retard or a troll.
Puutie says that he has no concerns about how many would be killed in his threatened nuclear war to defend Russia from US Zio empire.
are you sure?
With the current low demand for crude, I thought Russia was swimming in jet fuel.
A bunker deep underground with enough food, potable water and heating fuel to last you a lifetime. Failing that, don't waste your time. When the banksters decide to cash out nowhere on earth will completely escape the effects of nuclear winter---and nothing worth eating will grow in cobalt-salted topsoil.
Cobalt 60 is bad stuff. Save the last bullet for yourself.
As we all know by now, they want to kill as many Russians as possible. Perhaps they believe a good Russian is a dead Russian. After that they want to kill as many Chinese as possible. Without nukes, how do you kill a billion plus people as fast as possible?
http://mobile.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSKBN0MD0B320150317?irpc=932
Puutie is intent upon having Russians killed in order to rule larger territory. Best effort is to have those dead from the far eastern russia to control news reports reaching Moscow.
Dude, just stop. You're wasting taxpayer money with your drivel.
After our NJ home is annihilated I'm hoping for an abatement on our property taxes.
Definetely.
Thats something to look forward to. Thanks for.the tip.
looks like the 'deep state' is in deep doo doo