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Doing God’s Work – San Francisco Church Sprays Homeless People with Water to Keep Them Away
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
I’ve covered the plight of the homeless in America in recent years as another manifestation of the erosion of decency, empathy, morality and kindness throughout much of our culture. As a society, we’ve become increasingly obsessed with youth, materialism, power and short-termism, tossing aside wisdom, real joy, soulfulness and connectivity. One of the symptoms of this unfortunate transformation can been seen in how we treat the least fortunate and most vulnerable around us, particularly the homeless (see: In 33 U.S. Cities, Feeding the Homeless Has Been Criminalized).
Of all the institutions you’d hope to take a different stance toward the weak and struggling, places of worship would be at the top of the list. Not so for Saint Mary’s Cathedral in San Francisco, which admittedly sprays sleeping homeless people with water in order to keep them away.
From CBS:
SAN FRANCISCO (KCBS) — KCBS has learned that Saint Mary’s Cathedral, the principal church of the Archdiocese of San Francisco, has installed a watering system to keep the homeless from sleeping in the cathedral’s doorways.
The cathedral, at Geary and Gough, is the home church of the Archbishop. There are four tall side doors, with sheltered alcoves, that attract homeless people at night.
The shower ran for about 75 seconds, every 30 to 60 minutes while we were there, starting before sunset, simultaneously in all four doorways. KCBS witnessed it soak homeless people, and their belongings.
The water doesn’t really clean the area. There are syringes, cigarette butts, soggy clothing and cardboard. There is no drainage system. The water pools on the steps and sidewalks.
A neighbor who witnessed the drenching told KCBS, “I was just shocked, one because it’s inhumane to treat people that way. The second thing is that we are in this terrible drought.
Jennifer Friedenbach, executive director of the Coalition on Homeless said, “It’s very shocking, and very inhumane. There’s not really another way to describe it. Certainly not formed on the basis of Catholic teachings.”
A cathedral staff member confirmed to KCBS the system was installed, perhaps a year ago, to deter the homeless from sleeping there.
KCBS has also learned from a review of city permit records that the system was installed illegally, and may violate water use regulations.
Drought or no drought, when if comes to spraying the homeless, there seems to be plenty of water available.
Speechless.
For related articles, see:
Caught on Video – LAPD Guns Down Homeless Man in Broad Daylight
90-Year-Old WW2 Veteran and Two Clergymen Face 60 Days in Jail for Feeding the Homeless in Florida
In 33 U.S. Cities, Feeding the Homeless Has Been Criminalized
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The private sector and charities will take care of the poor*. Right after the sprinklers, it's free heart surgery (as in removing the hearts for rich "friends" of the church who need a heart).
*no one really believes that, but it's a good meme when challenged.
Next stop for 2015 America will be a return to the "English Poor Laws" of the 1830's, that set up the stricter prison like work houses of England. The old were taken from their cottages given a shabby uniform and thown into a work house where all day labor got you a crust of bread and watery tea, a bunk with 80 others in an unheated hall. Single mothers got the same treatment, their children taken and thrown to the wolves in special childrens sections of the work house. All the while the gentry and aristocracy and middle class complained at the easy life of the poor, all at rate payers expense. To the monied classes this was a scandal of giving too much to the rabble. In parliamnet bills were introduced almost yearly in an attempt to make the work house stricter and to reduce expenditure per inmate.
But it's holy water....
the grocery store uses the same sprayer system to punish the produce
jack burton (if that is your Real Name) has a different avatar now
Almost par with Obongo.
“Jesus said to her, ‘Everyone who drinks of this water will be thirsty again, but those who drink of the water that I will give them will never be thirsty. The water that I will give will become in them a spring of water gushing up to eternal life.’”
“The water doesn’t really clean the area. There are syringes, cigarette butts, soggy clothing and cardboard. There is no drainage system.”
Don’t forget the urine and feces.. that’s there, too.
A church in this enlightened age should be festooned with all the accoutrements of modern progressivism.
The abortion drop-box, which should have been nixed from the get-go or better yet never even thought of, turned out to be a really bad idea.
We sprayed some folks.
(Is there anything that phrase DOESN'T work for??)
We all agreed it was there fault, they could have done something like get a job and work for themselves. We all agreed it was the right thing to do, and we're not going to change our minds mid game.
Some folks stunk up the house, hit the bus stop, and rode off to candyland.
Or inherit some assets.
drowning the homeless. buggering an alterboy...at play in the fields of the lord
"The one who is unwilling to work shall not eat." - 2 Thessalonians 3:10
"Don't waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Don't throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you." - Matthew 7:6
For there will never cease to be poor in the land. Therefore I command you, ‘You shall open wide your hand to your brother, to the needy and to the poor, in your land.’
Hmmmm.
I wonder if this would work on the Jew York media?
Those homeless people can be pretty batshit. It sure would be a shame if one of them took the insult and returned with a molotov and torched the place.
We wanted to offer the local homeless a free place to shower.....
A speaker system playing an endless loop of a latin mass would have accomplished the same thing. Use the new directional speakers, so the mass can only be heard in the doorways.
What would Jesus do?
Yeah, that soup night was a real fucking disaster alright.........
(spoken in rich Irish Catholic brogue):
For 'de love of CHRIST, man, how can ye' be SAYING such 'tings? It was SAINT MARY'S CATHEDRAL, 'ye blubbering areshole! Dey were thugs and misceants, and tot that dey could get somefing fer NOTING! Ayere ye NOT a true believer, Loonie? DOOn't ye support the RIGHTS of the HOLY PAPACY te proctect demselves all de way oover in a foreign land? Dey were prollaly followers of dat commie Che, or Ron Paul, or King fricking William or someting! Just because the church (blessed be the name of the Holy Roman Universal) offered free food to the starving; does DAD mean that the starving waifs had to fricking RIOT?
SAY YOUR PENNANCE, now, and may god forvive ye.
Sincerely,
Francis ('buy the dip') Marion
There's a very easy solution to this problem...
Remove the large stone buildings housing the idle, sanctimonious paedophiles who hold a solitary objective of brainwashing the sheeple into compliance with the parasitic 'authorities' across society.
Yes, this is a shame. I know many churches that support terrific homeless out reaches that save lives on a daily basis.
name one catholics one that does....
Catholic Charities?
to those ex catholics, posting here..your morals were molded in that religion, that is a gift..look beyond the corruption of men. the good done is real, the evil is also real. the body and life of the church is on a cross,
nothing maintained by man avoids change- entropy usually wins and we get corrupt leaders.
the message you were given (your moral outrage) is also from the church.
I go to Mass about 10 times a year. Never the Christmas Mass or the Easter Mass.
Most of the time the place is fucking empty.
I usually find God when I walk on the beach with my son or watch my wife sleeping.
Philo , there is a rightness in your words. you are lucky for what your life gives you. with a few more of us the world is still worth being in it, not of it.
Imagine how much more rewarding your life would be if you broke the indoctrinated habit in its entirety and better spent those 10 wasted visits with the people who actually deserve your love and devotion.
You have a very shallow and naieve view of Catholicism.
Every wonder what the church does to contribute to those people in need of saving in the first place, or what they could do with their wealth, political influence and manpower to truly prevent the need for saving lives in the first place?
Unfortunately their out reach is too focussed on getting their hands on orphans and children of the faithful, and then covering it up for years and fighting legal battles of attrition with their victims.
And you think that by handing out a bowl of soup for publicity points makes up for all that. Very shallow indeed.
In principle there are many noble principles, but like all power put in the hands of man...it is corrupting and ultimately destructive through hypocritical abuse.
You defence of it is very sad and unfortunate.
Now kneel before the paedophile in the dress all ye faithful.
This is a human thing, not a catholic thing.
http://pjmedia.com/instapundit/?s=Teach+women+not+to+rape
hypocrits and sociopaths pollute the waters of high ideals. actions speak what they are.
for fools will still follow the leadership even when actions show the leadership is corrupt.
Jones Town residents drank the koolaid knowing it was death. better to die than to live and understand your faith was placed in an evil shit.
evil sociopaths seem to find power in all systems, church and .gov and business and arts. that is the human condition.
avoid being a sociopath and stop giving them power over you. that is a life long task often not pleasant or successful.
"Don’t forget the urine and feces.. that’s there, too."
Probably a good description of those who rule the Cathedral.
is that tommy shaw of styx?
What's the moral of the story? You're better off at the gov homeless shelter? IMHO Krieger is a shill.
This is definitely propaganda. Krieger just leaves out way too much to have any credibility.
The Catholic Church in San Francisco is the largest supporter for services to the homeless in San Francisco.
St Boniface Catholic Church in San Francisco is a haven for the homeless. They let the homeless sleep on the pews and use the facilities, as well as giving haircuts and clothing vouchers.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/st-boniface-church-san-francisc...
Furthermore, the author fails to mention the church's justification for the spayers, or the fact that they have been removed. The church warned the people using the alcoves that the sprayers were being installed to encourage them to sleep in other safer parts of the cathedral grounds. There were regularly needles and faeces left in the alcoves overnight and students and elderly people would have to pass by them in the morning to go to Mass.
http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/firstthoughts/2015/03/criticizing-cordi...
Th writer doesn't sound like a person who cares about the homeless.
Not only that, but they took care of the folk's souls too by baptising them every hour.
Anyone can be down on their luck. A lot of people can be mentally ill. But crashing someplace, shooting up, leaving the needles and shitting in the area is to be discouraged. At a minimum take your shit and needles with you when you leave.
It's all just peachy then.
Well let's bring it closer to home then. Let's say homeless people were regularly sleeping on your front porch and leaving needles and faeces on your porch , which you and your children had to step over each morning. Let's say you told the people sleeping there that they were welcome to sleep in your garage. It was safer, you provided blankets and there was a basic toilet. Most were grateful for your kindness, but a few insisted on sleeping on your porch and leaving needles and faeces there every night. Would a sprinkler system be justified in your case to encourage them to sleep in your garage instead? Would you be an evil fuck for wanting a clean environment for your family while still providing support for the homeless?
maybe the archbishop should leave the alter boy he is banging 15 minutes earlier in the monrning and get a mop and a bucket. Or perhaps in the evening when he is returning from the 5 star restaurant, he should guide the people to a better location....
The starvation diet supposedly allows you to live longer. I guess it's part of Obamacare Health Incentives.
Why don't you tell us the REAL reason for wanting to clear the alcove.
Which is --- drum roll please ----- it's because the priests like that dark alcove to sequester young boys and FUCK THEM UP THE ASS THERE.
Badumpum!
The really hilarious thing is your the one that brought it up.
The hilarious thing is that a bunch of fucktards pay 10 percent of their income to a bunch of festooned pedophiles.
Just for good measure, don't forget your Rabbis there, chief.
The Rabbi Child-Rape Assembly Line
"Rabbi Rosenberg believes around half of young males in Brooklyn’s Hasidic community—the largest in the United States and one of the largest in the world—have been victims of sexual assault perpetrated by their elders. Ben Hirsch, director of Survivors for Justice, a Brooklyn organization that advocates for Orthodox sex abuse victims, thinks the real number is higher. “From anecdotal evidence, we’re looking at over 50 percent. It has almost become a rite of passage.”
http://www.vice.com/read/the-child-rape-assembly-line-0000141-v20n11
Long list of Jewish Child Molestor Rabbis gets no media coverage and Jewish homosexual pedophiles are undisturbed.http://iamthewitness.com/listeners/Jewish.child.molesters.that.are.never...
Well of the Talmud says its ok to rape a child, then it A-OK with me.
After reading The Plot Against the Church (Maurice Pinay), my theory is that pedophilia is committed by the fifth column to undermine the church from the inside.
Me thinks the holeless should move down the street to a local socialist government building and hang out there.
Oh, fuck off you sanctimonious prick. What you're saying is that since they give something to the poor, they're justified in the bad things they do. Alternative: have a guy with a hose come by once or twice a day asking people to leave while he cleans.
And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men should do to you, do ye even so to them: for this is the law and the prophets.
I have a good idea Xits. Why don't you shove your quotations up your ass and try thinking for yourself. This is what the Catholic Church in San Francisco does for the homeless every day.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/31/st-boniface-church-san-francisc...
A lot more than you do, I suspect with your sanctimonious Biblical quotations.
And the title of this piece is a lie. The Cathedral wanted to keep only the alcoves free of needles and faeces. The people sleeping there were told they could sleep in other safer parts of the cathedral grounds.
So I should shove the King James Bible up my ass? And instead, think for myself? Just using their standards for behavior is what I'm doing.
It isn't about what I do, it is the harm, not even neutrality, but actual harm, this "church" is doing. I'm certainly not hosing down the homeless.
You're still trying to defend this supposedly christian church on their stated goal, instead of the harm they actually cause. It's like the church has an indulgence it gives to itself.
I'm thinking that if the church had shot them dead instead, you'd still be defending them, after all, once they're dead, they're not homeless and doing drugs anymore!
This title is hilarious. Maybe they need a bath man leave the hippies to bathe each other.
And I thought charity was given, not taken by force.
Silly Wabbit.
Clearly the thing to do is to throw it wide open for every sterno drinking wino to come in and piss & shit all over the place and while we're at it, we can let the unfortunate hookers addicted to heroin being preyed upon by loathesome pimps have a "nice safe place" to conduct their trade craft knowing the needles will be picked up by nuns, its perfect!
I mean its San Fran, right? ;-)
maybe if they had a refuge they wouldnt be pissing and shitting all over the place
way to go disproving that we're becoming a more heartless culture
The atheists of San Francisco should get together and give them umbrellas.
Well IT IS EVIDENTIAL that your suggestion is much more likely than the homeless getting any help from the Chrisitians.
Praise Jesus out of your mouth. Go ahead.
You are as deceived as those who were told to depart as workers of iniquity after they had boasted of performing great works in Jesus name. That is in Matthew Chapter 7. But I know... You have not read your Bible. "Not everyone who says Lord, Lord...will inherit the kingdom of Heaven." Many are called but few are chosen.
Even if you have (I actually expect that retort...) then you certainly failed to apply anything which you have read.
As I am not chosen I will judge you and I do expect the same judgment with the same measure directed back at me as that is how Matthew 7 opens.
So be sure and become angry. Fail to do any self examination and fail to repent of your iniquity. The path to destruction is wide after all and you are well on your way.
To those who have ears let them hear. To those who have eyes let them see.
Been drinking again, Tom?
I do not drink alcohol.
But you do. That is called transference.
Be not filled with wine.
But you do not read the Bible or follow the precepts.
Christ Jesus will have a field day on the day of His wrath, the Day of Judgment. He will condemn the imposter Christians to that Lake of Fire. They will be justified or condemned by the words uttered from their own mouths.
I will be going to Hell with you as I am not chosen.
SF bums are different from the rest of the country alright. Don't call them homeless, they're bums, plain and simple.
Many years ago the first time I visited SF, the bums were skinny, like the rest of the US. Now, they're a bunch of overbloated aggressive bums who hang out by the BART stations all day, begging, no, DEMANDING money. On Pier 39, there are always some bums trying more gimmicky ways of getting a handout, like the idiot who put himself in a trashcan with a sign "WHITE TRASH, NEED MONEY FOR MARIJUANA RESEARCH." You can't walk a block without some bum begging for money in heavy traffic areas like the Financial district. Washington DC was the only other place I've run into bums that bad.
So, before judging what the church did, you need to see for yourself. Either that, or walk the walk and let some alcoholic bums sleep in your front yard, right under your child's window.
Edit: A co-worker's wife tried to give leftovers to a bum in SF (she was new to the country then) and the bum promptly threw the package in the trash can right behind him. They don't want to work, they want nothing else but to sponge off society. I'm sure it's different in other places, and there are some people who are mentally deranged and need help (like the bums in Berkeley who every once in a while stab someone to death), but they need to take responsibility also.
Many years ago the first time I visited SF, the bums were skinny, like the rest of the US. Now, they're a bunch of overbloated aggressive bums who hang out by the BART stations all day, begging, no, DEMANDING money.
San Fransisco
Bum - "Hey, give me five bucks, I'm homeless."
SF Pedestrian - "Oh you poor man, here you go . . ."
New York
Bum - "Hey, give me five bucks, I'm homeless."
NY Pedestrian - "Go fuck yourself you fucking bum . . . . and take a shower while your at it!"
Yeah maybe some of them... I remember the homeless guy the news followed back in the 90's. Turned out he was panhandling to pay for his flat near Ashbury Heights. Or at least upper Haight. He wasn't homeless at all. But yeah, the folks in SF were giving him enough that he could pay for his house and not work. Crazy...
if you think panhandling isn't work, then you must think the cup fills itself!
Your comment about a five dollar bill made me this of this Frank Zappa song.
"Wonderful Wino"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z05wnZ0hYlo&list=PL8WvZFiJpAr1F1TZEEDOhUVku5qq0PJ4i&index=7
That video was not available in my country. I found The Torture Never Stops though and it fits well.
That is a great song too. Always kind of disturbing.
Try "Wind Up Working In A Gas Station" also. The album is Zoot Allures from 1976. Had the honour of seeing Frank Zappa at Duke University and he played a lot of the album, saying that he had not named it yet.
If you have never listened to it, also try "Stink Foot" from the album Apostrophe. He really plays a mean guitar.
Not to get too far off topic here but "Beautiful World" by Devo is pretty apropos for what's going on in the world these days . . . . IMHO it's a classic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGEWksYA5Ys
I'm not sure that Jesus's compassion is supposed to be discriminating or judgemental.
I must write that it is impressive that some atheists are much more compassionate than the many of those who profess the faith and believe it not.
At least the honesty of the atheist is refreshing whereas the dishonesty of the pretender is repulsive.
But really the pretenders just create an angry and hungry army in need of organization, education, and leadership.
As I am already hell bound, as I am not chosen, that just yields an opportunity to exact wrath to those deserving.
I can provide some of that which is needed after all. (And I do. I learned to be a leader and not a follower. I was taught well.)
I must write that since atheists know so much about Christian principles the knowledge of God must be something that comes from within and not from without. I've never seen a rabbit or even a monkey constructing an alter or building a church though they observe the same external world as people observe.
Of course it comes from within. Tom is self damning and looking for someone else to blame. What he doesn't realize is that, much like Mary Lou Henner or Jerry Lucas, he has (hidden) perfect memory that will serve as his own prosecution. Its not too late Tom, remember the thieves at Golgotha?
Our ol' Tommy Boy is far too much of a narcissist to apply the penitent's whip to himself.
He prefers to wield his flail blindly in the dark while cursing mankind for not seeing his warped self righteous vision of truth.
Tommy is, in Brit parlance, a completely mad wanker.
Oh you think that I do not loath myself?
You think that I find myself to be right standing when I lack the fruits of the spirit?
Perhaps I am more guilty of violating Christ's laws than you.
I am a murderer. I murdered Christ.
But you choose to delude yourself.
LMAO. Enjoy your path to destruction. I will not enjoy mine as I already know it.
Its not too late Tom, remember the thieves at Golgotha?
You fail to read your Bible.
Hebrews 6:4-6 New International Version (NIV)
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[a] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
I am a murderer. I am not chosen.
I know who I am.
Do you know who you are?
Your words are words of hatred. They were posted in hatred....anger...and you scoff. They are not uttered out of joy, peace, love, patience, or forgiveness.
You deceive yourself, imposter.
Maybe all the critters need is a tax deduction
It seems evident that, chronolagically, a lot of the behavioral characteristics that ostensibly distinquish humans from the other animals are coincident with evolution of the thinking brain; yet and nonetheless precusors for which exist in non human mammals (many animals exhibit intellection/abstraction behaviors).
Building of alters or churches does not seem to depend on denomination or culture, and the religionistic frequently behave worse than animals in their antagonism of each other in the name of, or at least indirectly supported by, their extant religion. Hell, even the Budhists are growing a thin skin and getting proactively millitant lately. Maybe independent of religionism, the athiests can gain credibility for the churching behaviour by claiming architecture in general.
Knowledge of god? Which god are you talking about? The great and powerful Zeus?
the knowledge of God must be something that comes from within and not from without.
Do you think that I deny the existence?
Laughable. I can prove the existence of the Creator empirically. The atheist position is also as delusional as the imposter's position. It is a wager upon a chance which is many tens of orders of magnitude less than that of an absurdity.
The demons know and they shudder.
So do I know and I shudder. I refuse to delude myself.
There is unforgivable sin after all.
LOL. Forget to take your meds?
Jesus is the son of God with unlimited resources. We on the other hand are humans on a finite planet with limited resources. I have a cardinal rule, no pun intended. I will help you once. Use that help wisely. That is true for extended family as well as strangers. I have paid the light bill in the dead of winter for people I don’t know; bought Christmas gifts for kids I never met and changed tires for strangers on the road. I am a marginal man and the prince of sinners. I am not a messiah and I did not take you to raise.
We are headed into dark times and we will be lucky to save the remnant. The church was the only institution that thrived during the Dark Ages. It closed out much of the world and in doing so kept the wisdom of earlier times intact. We are going through a similar bottle neck. Most of us will not make it to the other side. Faith is the only thing that will keep many of us from being emotionally destroyed by what is coming.
For the atheists, seek solace in science or whatever gives you comfort. You will die alone. We , the believers will die in a group.
Everyone dies alone. Everyone will discover that in the end.
My wife and I like to live alone with our animals. We like it so much better that way.
Someday we're going to die at exactly the same time...but we're a long way from that!
Death is an individual act, true enough, but most of mine had died surrounded by friends and family
Remember this: Whoever sows sparingly will also reap sparingly, and whoever sows generously will also reap generously. Each man should give what he has decided in his heart to give, not reluctantly or under compulsion, for God loves a cheerful giver.
And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that in all things at all times, having all that you need, you will abound in every good work.
As it is written: "He has scattered abroad his gifts to the poor; his righteousness endures forever." Now he who supplies seed to the sower and bread for food will also supply and increase your store of seed and will enlarge the harvest of your righteousness. You will be made rich in every way so that you can be generous on every occasion, and through us your generosity wil result in thanksgiving to God.
This service that you perform is not only supplying the needs of God's people but is also overflowing in many expressions of thanks to God. Because of the service by which you have proved yourselves, men will praise God for the obedience that accompanies your confession of the gospel of Christ, and for your generosity in sharing with them and with everyone else. - 2 Corinthians 9:6-13
I've never accepted Paul; too subjective about the spiritual developmental context. I think authentic Sufism much better as a approach moder culture can use.
In any case, the key word here is "righteous", and this needs to exist on both sides of the transaction. I choose not knowingly waste my charity on patently degenerate perrsons, though I tend to waste a lot learning their quality of being. I'm obviously subjective too, ya know. Life is large/huge, and individuals are not masters of the universe, and horrible lives and deaths surround, we are not larger than the forces of nature which animate people, so pick the object of charity carefully.
Thomas Jefferson removed all of Paul's teachings from his personal bible, but it isn't anything I would recommend. Although Paul isn't the one you are supposed to accept, rejecting that much teaching out of hand betrays a serious character flaw. Jefferson's was exposed with his fervent support of Robespierre even in the face of alarming reports coming out of France. Maybe if he had considered Paul more thoughtfully (prayerfully), he would have seen the error of his humanist ways.
Yes, I know he denounced them all later after The Great Terror, save your breath.
Constantine did quite a bit more editing of the books of the Bible than Jefferson did:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of_Nicaea
You have to cut the Big C some slack. He was trying to create a unifying structure to shore up a shaky grasp of an Empire in disarray.
Christianity, prior to the council, was a mish-mash of competing and contradictory philosophies and creeds that was of no use in cementing a secular rule over a vast and disparate empire.
Constantine was just hosing down the bums to get them off the steps.
shovel have you ever thought: what brought the conditions to provide the outcome? (or if you are simple:constantine was directed)
Don't forget the Druids, Constantine's mother Helena was supposed have been a British Princess which would have made Constantine also a lawful King in Britainia along with being Caesar.
Remember if you were trying to homogenize an empire under a unified montheistic religion/belief system to better control it, the Druids/Celts were the second biggest obstacle at the time so they needed to be brought under control also. Being not only a foreign Ceasar but local King makes that objective much easier. The biggest problem the emperors had with the Christians of that time period was the fact they would not worship the Ceasar's as gods or heads of their church. That right was reserved for Jesus Christ best exemplified by the render unto Ceasar maxim. What was the major change after the Council of Nicea, Ceasar became the head the church by decree puting all future Caesars at the same authority level as Jesus Christ. That tradition still exists today in the form of the Pope. Remember Constantine's father was a member of the Praetorian Guard. The plan was most likely put in place well before Constantine was manevoured into position for Ceasarship.
http://archive.thetablet.co.uk/article/19th-august-1944/6/constantines-h...
To the extent you are responding to my post (no mention of Jefferson and such), my concern with Paul is his too superficial treatment of the individual's spiritualization process. This does not suggest throwing him oout of the bible (at a social/popular level his prescriptions have some value toward promoting a more civil social order), but rather a healthy sciepticism of the implies context for spiritualization of the individual. In general, if prospective Christian were to digest the writings of competant sufistic authors (current and past), then they can begin to see what it is that Paul misses, obfuscates, or simply leaves out.
Must be to remove the evidense of sexual molestation on the little alterboys as they leave their "jobs".
Shwang..... dual purpose!!
Turn the hose on the fudgepacker
One critical measure of a society is how well, or poorly, it treats its weakest members. And that society is not the bankers, the politicians, the rich or the powerful. That society is you and me and they and them.
paw-paw said that back when *he* was homeless, it took a lot of fortitude to survive
not sure that homeless people are necessarily the weakest
It's a sliding scale. Plenty of room at the bottom for everyone including women and the most vulnerable of all, the children. I've been there. It ain't pretty, and until you have visited, mostly unimaginable.
"There will always be the poor"
"Only the dead have seen the end of war"
Hhhhmmmmmm.........
This is certainly a Thanksgiving, rather than an Easter piece.
Been there, done that. Luckily, I saw it coming, and got a 65 Chevy van for a few hundred bucks. Futon in the back up on milk crates, milk crate shelfs behind the front seats. Since my favorite use of vacation time has always been to walk uphill with a pack on my back and sleep on the ground, I was pretty much prepared. One and a half years, urban camping, employed full time throughout, and to be honest..... some of the best times of my life. Your mileage may vary. I still miss it sometimes - how violent storms would literally rock me to sleep, after a good night spent with a good book. Toward the end, I was helping the company with a move, spent the night in a hotel in Reno - tripped out, woke up on my back and the ceiling was so far away that for a second I felt I'd shrunk to the size of a GI Joe doll. True story. Good times....
But for those living on the street, with maybe a cardboard box for shelter, Holymotherfuckingchristonapogostick why would the baby jesus command his followers to be so evil?
Holymotherfuckingchristonapogostick why would the baby jesus command his followers to be so evil?
News flash up-hill guy . . . Jesus didn't command them, Satan did.
Oh look - 7 people so far believe in Satan. Nice.
or not.
Said Wormwood, laughing...
Oh look - 7 people so far believe in Satan. Nice. . . or not.
Not to get on a religious bent here but it's hard to deny that there is some kind of evil force at work around the world when you consider all of the nasty things going on. It also seems that as time goes on the nastiness envelope keeps getting pushed to the limit . . . . . call the force pushing that envelope Satan or whatever you want.
Some people would posit that it's just that we hear about all these nasty things more frequently than in the past because we are bombarded by "news" and information in general 24/7 these days and as they say; "If it bleeds it leads". That may be but it doesn't explain away the level of psychopathy seen in the world on a regular basis - I could fill a page with examples of what I am referring to . . . .
s'trooth
"We're alll monkeys." "GET OUT OF MY CHAIR!"
Did you miss the part about "The water doesn’t really clean the area. There are syringes, cigarette butts, soggy clothing and cardboard. There is no drainage system. The water pools on the steps and sidewalks."
So I'll assume Cog Parish is now "open for business"?
With the proper drainage, of course ;-)
"When the Pharisees saw this, they said to His disciples, "Why is your Teacher eating with the tax collectors and sinners?" 12But when Jesus heard this, He said, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but those who are sick. 13"But go and learn what this means: 'I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT SACRIFICE,' for I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners." - Matthew 9:11-13
And the context of the above is?
Was not Jesus calling the afflicted & sinners away from the doors of false prophets so that they may be healed in body & soul forever? It also implies someone wants to be saved or healed, not just find temporary comfort so that they can return rejuvenated to the life they choose the very next day.
The gift of showing people compassion is not some suicide pact where the giver flings themselves down into the pig sty along with them, they reach down and help the other one up out of it...but they have to willingly accept that hand first.
Some seem to think always offerring your hand so it can be slapped away with a laugh (an offense to the one offering their hand) should be called compassion, I call it abuse, in much the same way as if you were to demand my hand.
You gotta stop wearing those sensible shoes, nmewn.
They're starting to affect your mind. ;)
"and to reduce expenditure per inmate."
They prefer "iShit builders."
More attacks on Christian entities,
some background on the "Coalition for the Homeless", it is run by a person named,
Barry H. Berke of Kramer Levin LLP
Professional Affiliations
-American College of Trial Lawyers, Fellow
-Coalition for the Homeless, Chairman, Board of Directors
-Federal Defenders of New York, Inc., Chairman, Board of Directors
-Lincoln Center, Board of Directors (New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio's Designee)
-Mayor's Fund to Advance New York City, Board of Advisors-City Bar Fund, 2007-2010,
-Board of Directors - New York City Bar Association.
Something similar to that should happen again and probably will. Roughly half of the US population has no sense of morality and no reason to repay a bill. As that number grows, it will become increasingly difficult to run a society. I definitely foresee the day when it will be legal to shot anyone who steps foot on your property ( to protect gardens). That movement is already taking shape with "stand your ground" laws that seemed outdated 40 years ago. History will repeat itself that way just as the Greatest Depression must follow good times.. Humanity never learns.
Charity collectors approach Scrooge:
"At this festive season of the year, Mr. Scrooge," said the gentleman, taking up a pen, "it is more than usually desirable that we should make some slight provision for the Poor and Destitute, who suffer greatly at the present time. Many thousands are in want of common necessaries; hundreds of thousands are in want of common comforts, sir."
"Are there no prisons?" asked Scrooge.
"Plenty of prisons," said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.
"And the Union workhouses?" demanded Scrooge. "Are they still in operation?"
"They are. Still," returned the gentleman, "I wish I could say they were not."
"The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?" said Scrooge...
So nothing has changed except the name rat infested food from the mission where you sleep with 80 people except they dont care if you are young or old.
Where any belongings you might have are stolen from you.
After you lose your job suicide is preferable to what happens to you next.
The first bush was compassionate to the homeless welfare even for a man got you a place to live
food stamps enough to actually eat and money for shit paper.
Then Clinton welfare reform and everyone wants to be the one who fucked the poor the most sense then.
America has been a shell of its former self ever sense, You hate the poor might just consider that small fact.
Yeah Sister Pelosi was so mad about it she excommunicated herself.
If I die and go to hell I will find eternal joy in the knowledge that she and her ilk is down there with me.
Jesus says "pay up or get the fuck out you fucking dirty bum!"
God is pro Bum. In fact, he is proabably the biggest slob we can imagine.
Holes in his socks...ripping farts....maybe even a neck tattoo with the words....is that all you got,motherfuckers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzNzCiZwk28
God is not waiting for Facebook likes. That much I am sure of.
HAHAHAHAHA - best laugh all week. No, really. We all owe you one. Jeebers
That is so wrong at so many levels. Up arrow.
Nice vid. I've always pictured YHWH as a drunk 350lb male in a wife-beater with no pants. I mean.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgk7MXWQOAM
The original.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NZR64EF3OpA
Created while FDR was in office, haha. Message, lose your faith in old white preachers.
"The private sector and charities will take care of the poor*. *no one really believes that, but it's a good meme when challenged."
No need, LTER, the government safety net is already taking care of the poor. See how well that's working?
Perhaps if helping the homeless wasn't a criminal act more charities would step up. It is a shame too. You had been trending up so well with comments of late.
Go back in time when charity was actually encouraged and socially expected and the number of homeless goes down as well as their plight. It is during times of higher government activity to displace charities (not to mention making people homeless in the first place) that charities are in fact less effective.
For every effect there is a cause. Oh well, get on with the great war on poverty if you must. Better double the anticharity guard and the debt spending because we are losing that battle the more we punish charities and spend into debt. Oh wait...
Charity relies on capital being efficient and profitable. Government punishes charity and makes capital inefficient. Yeah, it must be charity that sucks.
Are you aware of the true purpose of most charities?
Allow me to illustrate; let's say you are the chairman of the cancer society. You have a two billion budget, a $20 billion campus, and you attend all the prominent social functions around the country.
Some guy comes into your office and tells you he has discovered a cure for cancer with no side-effects, which is 100% effective, and costs $5. Your biggest problem is what to do with the body. Capiche?
That's how you know you live under a lawless regime. Before DC started supporting the welfare 'voting' class, charities prevented starvation. Now, they contend with the aftermath of DC meddling in the free market. The cancer 'death' industry actually uses big government to protect its interests. That's the FDA's job! So, they don't have to kill competitors, outright.
Yes, but only when people are allowed to keep the fruits of their own labors, rather than having them confiscated.
Notice how naming yourself after your juvenile hatred of a philosophy you didn't understand has prevented your growth as a person. You really should get a different handel.
This article is suspiciously out of character for the author. Other comments have also pointed out why it isn't even accurate. It seems more like something Michael Moore, Paul Krugman, Rachel Maddow, Nancy Pelosi, or Bill Maher would say.
It is not even a good example of the author's putative point about an increased obsession with youth, materialism, power and short-termism.
I would like to think his account was hijacked because he was the only author at ZH that I always liked, and now he seems to have gone to the dark side.
Perhaps his hatred of churches trumps all of his principles. I don't like churches either. They're kind of creepy, but I would never let them change my principles.
DC needs all that tax money to feed the FSA, BHO's sons and daughters. They couldn't care less about mentally ill non-voters, unless they're blocking the polls on election day.
And, then there's the Pope's agenda, courtesy of the propagandists;
http://time.com/3752462/pope-francis-gay-transgender-prison/
Remember, they've paid out millions and millions to cover the pedos. The best hospital in my area was sold to cover some of that expense.
Phony nutjob story because St Marys has so much crime around it they need to make sure no one is hiding on the steps.
Most likely the church will take the system down after so much negative press. That said, here is a change for Mike and Tyler to walk people to their cars after the service...
http://www.cathedraleventcenter.com/rates.htm
Walking to the car is $5 per person. Call us for group rates.
" As a society, we’ve become increasingly obsessed with youth, materialism, power and short-termism, tossing aside wisdom, real joy, soulfulness and connectivity."
This is a symptom of an empire rotting away from the inside. Look to the money printing, zero interest rates and openly manipulated stock exchange, they provide all the evidence you need to see the rot that runs to the very core of American civilization in 2015.
Which should be proof to any that the Roman Catholic Church was once a cornerstone in a former vibrant American society.
Beset on all sides and from corruption wthin is it any wonder its downfall mirrors America's? ...That this ignominy should occur in San Francisco?
Some would say that the Catholic church is corrupt by its very nature. When man takes on the power of God what do you expect?
Have you paid for your passage through pergatory yet? They teach you God is all powerful but you have to wait in line until he has the time to get to your case. LMFAO!
Edit: Forgot to add the part, "Make a contribution and you'll get a better seat" from Metallica. Seriously, they want you to believe you can bribe God by paying off the men running the church - the same men who made up this empty minded rule and enforce it. Hell, they have given themselves the right to excommunicate you, in the name of God of course.
Can you say, "Master"?
Edit Dos: Forgot to mention about the catholics being predelicted toward socialism. Who was it that said socialism leads to communism? Does it matter since socialism and communism are just variants of dictatorship and the guy who said it is a long dead dictator?
You are confused.
Baptists are the ones who demand their tithes and a copy of your pay stub to prove it.
And though the Church has changed through the years it never had a leader claiming the powers of God.
you aint seen nothing yet...
besides, one should be well aquainted with yet another synogogue of satan by now...
btw-
Foreign Office, November 2nd,1917
"Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you on behalf of His Majesty's Government the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations, which has been submitted to and approved by the Cabinet:
"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."
I should be grateful if you would bring this Declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Yours sincerely,
Arthur James Balfour."
they r the worst of all....DEATH TO THE ZIONIST ENTITY
http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v06/v06p389_John.html
they r the worst of all....DEATH TO THE ZIONIST ENTITY
Halleluiah!!!
Is Giving Food to the Homeless Illegal in Your City Too?Last week, a 90-year-old vet got busted by cops for feeding the hungry. He's not alone.
Last week, 90-year-old World War II veteran Arnold Abbott made national headlines when he got busted by cops in Fort Lauderdale, Florida twice in one week—for giving out food to homeless people. While serving a public meal on November 2, Abbott told the Sun-Sentinel, "a policeman pulled my arm and said, 'Drop that plate right now,' like it was a gun." Abbott runs a nonprofit group that regularly distributes food in city parks. Because of an ordinance the city passed this October that restricts feeding the homeless in public, his charity work is now potentially illegal.
Abbott was cited again three days later in a different city park. Now the retired jewelry salesman is facing up to 60 days in jail or a $500 fine. And he's not the only one risking jail time for generosity: 71 cities across the country have passed or tried to pass ordinances that criminalize feeding the homeless, according to Michael Stoops, director of community organizing at the National Coalition for the Homeless.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2014/11/90-year-old-florida-veteran-...
I got busted some years back serving turkey dinners to the homeless in Balboa Park, San Diego on Thanksgiving. After some stern words of warning from San Diego's Finest I was released with no further consequences.
I got busted some years back serving turkey dinners to the homeless in Balboa Park, San Diego on Thanksgiving. After some stern words of warning from San Diego's Finest I was released with no further consequences.
You already told us that story Grandpa.....
God damned whippersnapper.
Soon we all will be arrested for giving homeless a dollar. See new currency laws. No cash only ETF like in Sweden. Poor or homeless in Sweden they all have to carry IPayAndCry gadget for donations and pledge "I shall not steal from bankster thief".
This pesky socialism.
Soon we all will be arrested for giving homeless a dollar. See new currency laws. No cash only ETF like in Sweden. Poor or homeless in Sweden they all have to carry IPayAndCry gadget for donations and pledge "I shall not steal from bankster thief".
This pesky socialism.
The new Obama-Phones will be coming out with a "Swipe" device installed to make it easier for everyone . . . . .
Be a blank and live on System D.
“Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father; take your inheritance, the kingdom prepared for you since the creation of the world. 35For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, 36I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
37“Then the righteous will answer him, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? 38When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? 39When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?’
40“The King will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers and sisters of mine, you did for me.’
41“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.’
44“They also will answer, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?’
45“He will reply, ‘Truly I tell you, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.’
46“Then they will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life.”
- Matthew 25:34-46
2 Thessalonians 3:10 "If a man will not work, he shall not eat."
There are always limits...
That section of verses in 2 Thessalonians is usually interpreted to mean other believers who are by their own choice "idle". This does not apply to those who for various reasons cannot work, like the mentally ill or addicted, even if their status is the result of their behavior.
John 13:34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
sschu
Paul is clearly referring to people, believers or not, who do not take responsibility. The context can be found 4 lines above:
2 Thessalonians 3.6
We instruct you, brothers, in the name of (our) Lord Jesus Christ,to shun any brother who conducts himself in a disorderly way and not according to the tradition they received from us. 2
Paul starts 2 Thessalonians with this:
To the church of the Thessalonians in God the Father and the Lord Jesus Christ:
Grace and peace to you.
And he consistently refers to the "brothers and sisters" of that church in this book.
Also, from BibleGateway notes:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Thessalonians%201&versi...
sschu
The sentence I gave you answered that question. They key word is "they" referring to those outside the church.
All people born are "brothers and sisters".
I am not sure how to respond, but here goes.
The definition for the Greek word adelphoi, which is used in this sentence is translated as "believers" per Biblegateway.
Also, here is how the word "they" is used in this sentence, it refers to the brother (and sister) talked about early in the sentence. Clearly this "they" refers to believers.
(used with an indefinite singular antecedent in place of the definite masculine he or the definite feminine she):
Whoever is of voting age, whether they are interested in politics or not, should vote.
Lastly, no one is actually born a "brother and sister" or believer as the text defines. We are born sinners, but come to Christ for salvation from this sinful nature and the world.
There are none so blind as those who will not see.
sschu