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Vladimir Putin Proposes "Eurasian" Currency Union
While the distraction that is the stock market continues to enthrall most Americans, the big shots in the global monetary which for now are taking place behind the scenes, are getting ever louder. Several recent cases in point:
- US Attacks "Closest Ally" UK For "Constant Accommodation" With China
- De-Dollarization Accelerates As More Of Washington's "Allies" Defect To China-Led Bank
- US "Isolated" As Key Ally Japan Considers Joining China-Led Bank
- US Upset At West's Lack Of War Preparedness
- Treasury Secretary Lew Admits US "International Credibility & Influence Is Being Threatened"
One person who is paying attention to the failure of the US to grasp that the unipolar world of the 1980s is long gone, is Russia's Vladimir Putin, who earlier today proposed creating a "Eurasian" currency union which would have Belarus and Kazakhstan as its first members, which already are Russia's partners in a political and economic union made up of former Soviet republics.
As Telegraph reports, Putin made his proposal at a meeting with the Belarussian and Kazakh presidents which highlighted the challenges facing the Russian-led Eurasian Economic Union following the fall in global oil prices and the decline of the Russian rouble.
"The time has come to start thinking about forming a currency union," Mr Putin said after the talks in the Kazakh capital Astana with Belarussian President Alexander Lukashenko and Kazakh President Nursultan Nazarbayev.
Not surprising, considering both Belarus and Kazakhstan have spent a lot of time in the past year alternatively devaluing, and scrambling to prop up their currency.
Putin gave no details of the proposal but suggested it would be easier to meet economic challenges by working closely together. Mr Lukashenko and Mr Nazarbayev did not immediately respond to the proposal in public, but analysts say it is unlikely to get off the ground.
Additional information from RT:
“I would suggest moving step by step, exactly as all EU member states enter the eurozone, gradually creating all these common financial institutions,” Likhachev said, adding that if such an order comes from the member leaders, all the sides will immediately start negotiations.
"That means any slightest fluctuation in national currencies of today’s four and of tomorrow’s five [Kyrgyzstan is about to join the EEU – Ed.] EEU countries, that are related neither to trade nor to demand, create a huge trade imbalance,” he said, adding that officials are looking for ways to smooth these problems out, and trade and industry institutions are in a constant dialogue.
"In the same enclosed space, where goods, services, capital and labor are constantly moving, the existence of different currencies exacerbates the risks," Likhachev said. Apart from the economy, there are also political and social issues that are yet to be discussed, he added.
If and when Russia does succeed in launching a regional currency, and recreating a monetary block in the process setting the foundations, the only question we have is after Greece, which European country will come knocking on the Kremlin's door, asking to be let in?
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Can I join?
sure if you want Russia to "bail in" your money
Well, he either has the blessing of the Rothschilds or he will be dead soon.
Sorry -- this just seems like a bad idea. Then again -- I don't know anything about these nations ability to compete with one another.
Agreed, the world does not need another euro.
some lessons are just never learned. this time it's different
Ahhh... but when the superpowers of Belarus and Kazakhstan are involved one **knows** it's serious. Has Grenada signed up as a founding member as well? Cuba?
Pravda previously announced the new Eurasion currency union with the acceleration of implementation of the 'Altyn' currency unit in April 2014:
http://www.safehaven.com/article/33571/discussion-re-negative-gofo-altyn-new-eurasian-currency
Yes, because the euro worked out so well!
Guafb, Tyler.
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It seems, after reading the lines of crap posted by so many after your post, that most have missed the point....again.
An Economic Union which is followed by a Currency Union ideally, to the planners, to the architects, just will lead to a Political Union.
That is the model currently being followed in Europe. With a centralized Brussels government dictating law to sovereign states of Europe it seems to be working to the plan.
Now Russia wants to adopt it to restore the Political Bloc of the former Union of Soviet Socialistic Republics...and then some. This is not occult (not hidden) and is one of Putin's desires...whether or not you consider it "good" or "bad".
It is one further step down the trail to a One World Government with the blessing of the Rothschild beast.
And most other comments, especially below, have just served as a distraction from this proposal.
An Economic Union which is followed by a Currency Union ideally, to the planners, to the architects, just will lead to a Political Union.
it may work for ex soviet union countries who have some same fondamentals, but this cannot work with europ because over centuries we fought each others , we do not have same mentalities, we do not have same culture, neither same lifestyle.
eurozone was designed as a tool to enslave european countries by their respective governements. period.
The Soviet Union was designed to enslave not only the Soviet Republics, but also the post World War II Eastern Bloc Nations.
Furthermore you are going to suggest that the Nordic Nations have the same culture as the Roman Nations in the South? That is denial.
The Soviet consolidation of Eastern Bloc Nations was quite effective as war in Europe was unheard of until after the failure of the Soviet Union...sans Greek Civil War when the power consolidation was still weakened by a recovering USSR...and brief uprisings in Satellite Nations which were subsequently squashed by the Iron Hand of Soviet Oppression.
The inclusion of former Eastern Bloc Nations as well as the planned expansion to include the former Western Bloc NATO Nations willl have the same affect.
History does not repeat but it rhymes. The Russian sphere of influence waxes as the Anglo-American sphere of influence wanes.
Fortunately or unfortunately, depending on which team that you support (as it is a Hegelian Dialectic after all) a new incarnation of the USSR will appear once again...more powerful...much more powerful...than the last incarnation.
I can see it already developing. Are you intentionally blind or are you willing to look at it objectively without choosing a brand?
You can see it any way you like, but who would join the soviet bloc without military persuasion? which government would have the death wish to subject it self and its people to Russia?
Nations that will agree to Putin's proposal???
Is Putin's proposal any different from America's hegemony?
United States Economic Policy has ensured the demise of the Euro. What will replace Europe's fractured economy? Nature abhors a vaccuum.
And as for military persuasion? That may not read as far fetched as I would prefer. Rumors of World War II fill the alternative media.
Regardless of whether you want it or not, the oligarchy has planned a one world government and is setting all of this up.
They have claimed as much.
I do not support what I report. But it does not change it.
might not be so ignorant and look at what's left net worth....after fire sale..
rather than gross, while forgetting debt, hidden debt, obligations, derivatives, etc.
Belarus, though much demonized, has very small debt per citizen..
prolly explains why they get nasty marginal treatment....
I hear that Anguilla is contemplating ditching Mother England in favor of this....so it must be seriously awesome
Monetary Union is a ruse used by those who secretly covet political union...
Something tells me that "if" "any" organization tries to harm Team_RUS' and/or Team_CHN's Senior Officials, I think the repercussions will be catastrophic for them.
That includes Nation-States, Ziocons, NWOs, Neocons, Lefties, PrideParaders, Illuminati/Freemasons, Vatican, Corporate Oligarchs, et al.
That's why Team_USA has been belligerent against RUS. CHN owns too many USTs, outsourced factories, and USA-vested Lobbying Money for the Propagandists.
Whatever you say, but Chinese's system works fine without so called Union, or miltary intervention. It is not about to change.
Good Point, Jyl,
My response was for those who commented that the Fiat Lords would be tempted to kill off Mr. Putin; and I tangented into an analysis expanding how/why RUS; but not CHN is being so villified.
There have been a few movements in the USA (Lincoln, Kennedy) towards less Interest-oppressive Monetary Systems that led to their Murders (allegedly by the Five-Eyes/TransAtlantic Bankers). Ellen Brown's Web of Debt provides a swift (pun intended) read on the subject - as well as refreshing our collective memories to the Political message embedded in the Wizard of Oz Allegory.
I concur CHN's system is fine on its own. It's interesting to see how the Eurasian/SCO/BRIC Sector work out their Systems outside of the Anglo-American/Five-Eyed System, since we all now know that's rigged and violated by the Five-Eyes.
@ localsavage--If the Roths try anything stupid on Putin and he finds out they will be so sorry.
How is the weather in Kiev?
what colour are puutie's shorts?
Interesting spelling of "color".
I don't know what color his shorts are. Perhaps you can tell me what color are Himmler's shorts?
yes curiously it's english. but interesting if that sort of thing floats your boat
My boat floats over an ocean of dead nazis gratis my father and numerous uncles.
congratulations but of zero relevance to the story
Yes, I noticed underwear was mentioned often.
Fight club, baby. Put em' up or run
Ran already! Cossak you've short-circuited his algo.
Its not like they didn't have monetary union for the past few thousands of years. Recently under the Mongol Empire, the several succeeding Khanates and finally ending with Soviet Union a continuous history. So I would say the chances of success are very good considering they were under a monetary union for most of the history in that region. Union goes back to the Scythians/Sarmatians around Persian times BC.
http://www.emersonkent.com/map_archive/scythian_empire_map.htm
currency union - let's hope it ends well.
You add nothing to the discussion here, all you do is hiss.
currency union is the apparachik's wet dream. they rarely make sense particularly if you're tying yourself to the falling anvil that is the ruble.
Gold is the one world currency union, the only one that makes honest sense. Did I just use that word "honest"?
Your wet dream in the USSA is reality in that part of the world for thousands of years. But I guess you dont read much, I take it your geography sucks as much as you do.
in english pls.
Madeleine Albright"It is not fair that anation should control so much laand and resource".It means enemy my enemies may be a friend.
"in english pls."
Outsourcing their trolls wasn’t enough, now the cloud version is asking for clarification??
currency union working real well for Greece....
Overpopulated country, with no real natural resources except for sandy beaches, basically a Caribbean Economy in the Mediterranean. No major manufacturing etc, no matter what currency they have they have some major flaws that need to be addressed.
greece overpopulated...talk us through that concept.
A pussy like you just needs to look at its litter to understand the concept.
face it zero. the only currency union puutie wants is a ruble hryvnia union and that ain't happening in your lifetime lol.
"puutie"....so clever. makes you sound authoritative and manly.
let me help you with the population density stats as you appear to be struggling.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Union_statistics
For barren rocks they are overpopulated. You dont seem to have a concept of arable land. I guess because you stick to sand to bury your crap.
barren rocks...have you been to greece....? [rhetorical]
A Greek legend has it that God distributed soil through a sieve and used the stones that remained to build Greece. The country’s barren landscape has historically caused the people to migrate. The Greeks, like the Jews and the Armenians, traditionally have been a people of diaspora, and several million people of Greek descent live in various parts of the world. Xeniteia, or sojourning in foreign lands, with its strong overtones of nostalgia for the faraway homeland, has been a central element in the historical experience of the Greek people.
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/244154/Greece
Your hissing is getting annoying, you know absolutely nothing. Shut the F#$ck up already.
My grandparents left the place exactly for those reasons, they were farmers and it was impossible to make a living because of the poor soil dumbshit. With your geography I take it you went to the UK and you thought you were in Greece. Either that or you stepped on a golf course in Greece with Obama and thought that was what the entire country looked like.
ok best if you stick to legends. more your cup of tea. have you been within 2000 miles of greece [rhetorical]?
I was born in Europe and have traveled extensively through it, your cup of tea are the back alleys of a ghetto in a US City. Shut up already tomcat you are just putting your claws up your ass. The more you hiss the more of an idiot you reveal yourself to be.
sorry make that 1386 miles
http://www.distance.to/Athens/Moscow
Lame, pussy.
caution! fluffers at work.
You are a legend in your own mind.
What is your point? it does not say anything about EuroAsian Union will do for Greek. How can EuroAsian Union save Greek while Russian can barely cover its own hind? and with history that can not manage it own economical afair? I am not sure it is Russian baile out the other two, or the other two baile out Russian in this arrangement. Why is it so adamant that Russian is savior?
Just because your grandparents left does not make it overpopulated, especially after the recent exodus. There are many places in the world with much higher population densities.
Like many Greeks, you have these "eastern" dreams and tendencies. Look, I'm the last person to say all is well in the west. It is far from it. However, the jury is still out on Putin and all others. I am not convinced they are jabbing the NWO in the eye. I see goofy headlines about missiles on "nuclear alert" (as if nuclear missiles are somehow abandoned and kids get to shoot bb guns at them when not on alert) but this is nothing new. For 60 years the missiles are there and could be used if they wanted to.
They had a union with one guy lording over everyone and they didn't have a pressure release valve. It overheated. Nobody liked the Russians and when things went south nobody was overly eager to try and save it. I can tell you of stories about driving through East Germany to reach West Berlin and how lovely that was. I can also tell you stories of friends that were shot by Russian guards trying to leave Czechoslovakia (at the time). Her fellow countryman let her go. The Russian guard was inside and saw her running. BAM! Right in the back of the thigh.
There are very few nations without a central bank: Syria, Cuba, Iran, NK. Syria is demolished, Cuba is now "friendly" and something's being cooked up for Iran quite obviously. So things are moving according to plan I would say.
Is it possible they want to dump the US and move east? Sure and if you look at growth and opportunity, it makes sense. All the population centers are in the east and they have room for growth. The west is all used up, lazy and disobedient. They don't want that. They need new places where the story can still impress. The disobedient get the "Greek" treatment.
Long story short, we are all entitled to our opinions. I have no problem reading yours. Now, expressing mine, I would say that your love for Putin is premature, ill-advised, not properly thought out and foolish in the extreme. The same holds true for China. Words are easily typed on a keyboard and there is a tendency to get carried away in the moment and the upvotes. Have you ever believed something with great conviction only to find things are extemely different once immersed in it? You know, that "oh shit, I was out of my league" moment?
All I am saying is that one can't be certain and to hang on the words of every single post about Putin or China is a recipe for going crazy. There must be tens of posts her every week about China's new global influence and 10 more about how their debt bubble is 3x worse than America's. Everyone in America was learning Japanese in the 80s. They even had songs 'I think I'm turning Japanese" etc.
Lastly, I turn to A Pap. who reached the status of diety in the 80s. Looking back it is clear he simply destroyed Greece and many of today's ills can be traced back directly to him. So why would I go ape shit about a leader who is being portrayed in the media as Joe Cool, with his shirtless escapades and useless missile alerts? Could it be they are pouring us more Koolaid? To me, the Putin coverage is highly suspect and very similar to Rambo or Rocky in the 80s.
Anway, this is too long, there are many angles to cover and it is too early for me to do this properly. Hopefully the general idea came through.
No need to over do your antitude. It is a bad idea, it does not work with EU, will not work with EuroAsianU. First, anwser me, does the two smaller nations has a option to say no? Then, with all the stolen resource Russian has, why is it still at pity of others? What does Russian manufacture make besides weapons? No need to knock others while they are down... Oh wait, that is tradition of Russian's... And tell me, if Crimea was in a NATO country, Russian would dare to take it...
all the stolen resource Russia has?
wait to hear that explained.....
rest is useless talkings
Read your history of past 300 hundren years. How many war you fought with your neighours? How many people your kill and exiled after your Cossics show up at their land sent by your saintely Tsars? Then you will know you steal peoples land and respurce, and that is why people still hates you.
Oops it seems you have forgotten manifest destiny = genocide committed by the United States to make land available for the colonists. Which in history classes was taught as a great conquests by the US, and conveniently omits the genocidal aspect of it. At least Russia fought wars and won the land through conquest, while USA committed Genocide, including using chemical warfare (spreading chickenpox) on the poor Native Americans. However, this is small potatoes compared to our foreign policy for the past 100 years geared toward resource control (hence petrodollar). So do fuck off with your one-sided hypocritical arguments.
"The Dark Side
For all the positive atmosphere and grand spirit Manifest Destiny created, it also created the dark side of American History, non darker than the plight of the American Indian. While the positive side of Manifest Destiny was a surge of enthusiasm and energy for pushing West, the negative side was the belief that the white man had the right to destroy anything and anyone -- namely Indians -- who got in the way. Tracing the path of Manifest Destiny across the West would highlight mass destruction of tribal organizations, confinement of Indians to reservations, and full blown genocide. The dark side of Manifest Destiny revealed the white man's belief that his settlement of the land and civilization of its native peoples was preordained."
http://www.let.rug.nl/usa/essays/1801-1900/manifest-destiny/the-componen...
Trail of Tears. The Cherokee were doing everything they could to accomidate European culture. And they still got put on the death march.
You are pretty one sided yourself. Whatever US did, does not mean Russian did not screw with their neighors. Which is most stupid measure one can think of doing, any one do that deserve their hostile neighors to no end.
I am not one sided, I am simply arguing the other side. Every Empire including the Russian Empire, USA, Roman Empire, and every empire in between has faught wars for conquest. However, when you condemn one side make sure you condemn the other as well. I look to always fix the hypocrisy/suffering in my country, city, neighborhood, before I try to condemn others for acts that are being commited around me and on my watch.
I have no trouble condemn US/WEST, and I do. But people here are ideologists, blind thinking Russian is the one to counter their evil governments. No, Russian government is backwards, and has no vision, never even had a viable economical policy. They do not even want to face their past in a objective, critical manner, and having trouble treating its neighbors with respect. How one expect it lead them out to victory over the evil west. People need to think.
Say something objective. Something that doesn't rest solely on your opinion [e.g. 'Russia backward']. You know, try to make your point. Where did you go to school?
Can anything illustrate Russian being more backwards then this headline?
Can anything illustrate Russian being more backwards than this headline?
I have no trouble condemn US/WEST, and I do. But people here are ideologists, blind thinking Russian is the one to counter their evil governments. No, Russian government is backwards, and has no vision, never even had a viable economical policy. They do not even want to face their past in a objective, critical manner, and having trouble treating its neighbors with respect. How one expect it lead them out to victory over the evil west. People need to think.
I have no trouble condemn US/WEST, and I do. But people here are ideologists, blind thinking Russian is the one to counter their evil governments. No, Russian government is backwards, and has no vision, never even had a viable economical policy. They do not even want to face their past in a objective, critical manner, and having trouble treating its neighbors with respect. How one expect it lead them out to victory over the evil west. People need to think.
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Wars fought with neighbors that attacked Russia, Teutonic Knights, Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth, Sweden, Germany, France, England, yeah almost everyone in the EU has at one point in time tried to invade Russia. So what is your point exactly. Maybe that Russians have fought off invaders repeatedly. What the fuck is up with you illiterate morons. I guess the byproducts of an exceptional social studies program in USA propaganda schools.
Gush, Some small country attacked Russia. I guess Russian from a Europen contry, to cover land mass over central Asia and Siberia are beacuse the local populaton wanted their Cossics to came to kill, to rape, to burn the villages? All those small Balken countries had death wish? You can go around fool Russians, or Russians prefer not to look back at their past, but the rest of world is not blind or stupid. Keep up your thinking, and peace may find you in another 300 years or more.
Study your history, That entire area has been united since the beginning of time. Did you not look at the earlier links I gave you. The peoples of the Steppes have been united since BC that includes the Siberian Region. LOL rape and burn villages, you forget that the Siberian Khanate was an offshoot of the Golden Horde. Those villagers rode their horses from one end to the other of the Eurasian landmass to unify it under various Khanates that succeeded each other. Read some history first then come and talk.
http://siberiantimes.com/culture/others/features/siberian-princess-revea...
Here are your indoeuropeans in Siberia since time immortal...more than 2500 years ago, rape and burn what villages moron, those of their ancestors?
The Khanate of Sibir was a Turkic Khanate located in western Siberia. Throughout its history, rule over the Khanate was often contested between members of the Shaybanid and Taibugid dynasties; both of these competing tribes were direct patrilineal descendants of Genghis Khan through his eldest son Jochi and his fifth son Shayban (Shiban). The Sibir Khanate was itself once an integral part of the Mongol Empire, and later the White Horde and the Golden Horde.
The Russian were tied together with the Siberians since time immortal, even before the Mongols. You know nothing, just like that cat. Why do you people come on here and comment about European history or history of the world when you morons only learned 200 years of USA history which you failed anyways in high school. What the heck man. Blabbering idiots. I am sick and tired of you idiots blabbering nonsense. You say shit you pull out of your a**holes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yuezhi
Indo Europeans were living to the North of China on the fucking coast of the Pacific Ocean, so yeah Russian fucking belong in Vladivostock since that is where their ancestors lived.
Russian tied with Siberian? another wet dream of yours. They took away Mongolian heart land, chasing out, and killed off Chinese that inhabit there, still have strict measure to stop Chinese from entering, I see they tie up very well. Russian is a balloon up small country, with a small, resource poor, insecure country's mentality. Scare to death that their old enemies would come to take back their land. All it hold in place is their big bombs.....
Early Chinese relations with the Yuezhi are described in the Guanzi (73, 78, 80 and 81). This book was compiled around 26 BCE, and while some of the source materials are older, most scholars do not accept its attribution to Guan Zhong, an official of the State of Qi in the 7th century BCE.[19] Unlike the neighbouring Xiongnu, who were also nomadic pastoralists, the Yuezhi did not engage in conflict with the nearby Chinese states. Rather, the book described the Yuzhi ??, or Niuzhi ??, as a people from the northwest who supplied jade to the Chinese.[20] The supply of jade from the Tarim Basin from ancient times is indeed well documented archaeologically. The hundreds of jade pieces found in the tomb of Fuhao from the late Shang dynasty all originated from Khotan, on the southern rim of the Tarim Basin.[21]
During the Warring States period, the Chinese also turned to the Yuezhi for the supply of good horses. Moreover, the Yuezhi supplied the Qin Empire with crucial military mounts.[22] The Yuezhi maintained a profitable trade of horses and cattle for Chinese silk, which they sold on to their neighbours. Thus the Yuezhi began the Silk Road trade, acting as middlemen between China and Central Asia
Dude like the cat you are talking through your a**hole and it stinks in here.
That was more than 3000 years ago. Where was Russia then? Does Russian even remotely resemble people in Siberia at that time to claim their Tie? Does your description describes tie between Chinese with the region that lasted more than 3000 year? or was that mean Russian tied to the region while it may not even exist? Where are those Chinese that used to live there? They just disappeared conveniently when your Cossacks showed up?
According to you, you can claim half of Europe too, and do you woner why people over there have a beef with you? Do you ever feel indigestion when normal sane people has after doing something excessive?
I suggest you keep digging, you may dig up some more facts in history contradict with your claims.
That was more than 3000 years ago. Where was Russia then? Does Russian even remotely resemble people in Siberia at that time to claim their Tie? Does your description describes tie between Chinese with the region that lasted more than 3000 year? or was that mean Russian tied to the region while it may not even exist? Where are those Chinese that used to live there? They just disappeared conveniently when your Cossacks showed up?
According to you, you can claim half of Europe too, and do you ever wonder why people over there have a beef with you? Do you ever feel indigestion when normal sane people has after doing something excessive?
I suggest you keep digging, you may dig up some more facts in history contradict with your claims.
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This behavior comes naturally to retarded cat pendragon since he wipes his ass with his tongue.
Rusian does not fucking deserve Vladivostock. But Russian does deserve to have spend it eternity worrying about been attacked, spend obscene amount of treasure, human resource to just barely defend it and survive. Krama is a bitch.
Krama? Who's she? Your mother?
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Sounds like a butthurt banderatard.
I think he put flowers at this monument:
http://liveangarsk.ru/files/imagecache/attachbig/files/commentuploads/41...
You Russians really has no clue. 300 years of wars and invasions bring you no peace and prosperity, but of course, it is your victims fault.
You just alienated Ukraine and Georgia for another 100 years, they are your neighbor, right next door, and it does not bother you at all I guess. You eat up all your government propaganda, and with no critical think of your own. who deserve another 300 years of war and misery more than you do?
I wear my down vote as badge of honor.:-)
You Russians really has no clue. 300 years of wars and invasions bring you no peace and prosperity, but of course, it is your victims fault.
You just alienated Ukraine and Georgia for another 100 years, they are your neighbor, right next door, and it does not bother you at all I guess. You eat up all your government propaganda, and with no critical think of your own. who deserve another 300 years of war and misery more than you do?
I wear my down vote as badge of honor.:-)
It's your willful ignorance . another arrogant stupid murican . move on
Bankers go to prison in Russia, and executed in China.
I know my money will be safe.
cosmos knows some things...
Da!!!!!!!!!!!
anyone want to catch puutie's cooties?
Do fuck off with ur stupidity and giberish...
I like pussy.
Obozo is a closet puutie fan.
A closet bibi fan too.
Retarded cat is retarded.
And 'american'.
I have a currency proposition. It's shiny, has a density of 19.31 and you can't eat it because it's a barbaric relic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0-wQASGZMc
"Swaying to the rhythm of the New World Order..."
A Perfect Circle - Pet
The goal of the New World Order has long been to develop regional currencies - the Euro, the Amero, now a Eurasian currency to turn the world into Oceania, Eurasia, and Eastasia (ala 1984). These goals appear to be quickly accelerating with the recent flash crash of the dollar as the global reserve currency.
Then, those currencies would be combined into One World Currency (the SDR, Bancor, etc.) that will be a digital currency so that dissenters can be completely cut off from the system (i.e. in Revelations, the Mark of the Beast that is required for any kind of transaction).
A new currency union is further centralization of power and is FAR from something to be "celebrated." Instead, we need complete decentralization, repeal legal tender laws, and allow all forms of money to compete, knowing that the barbaric relic will come out at the top.
I completely agree with you, decentralization is key to freedom. As it promotes healthly competition and once something becomes unsustainable it perishes, much like in nature :).
"Under this lies a fact never mentioned aloud, but tacitly understood and acted upon: namely, that the conditions of life in all three super-states are very much the same.
In Oceania the prevailing philosophy is called Ingsoc, in Eurasia it is called Neo-Bolshevism, and in Eastasia it is called by a Chinese name usually translated as Death-Worship, but perhaps better rendered as Obliteration of the Self.
The citizen of Oceania is not allowed to know anything of the tenets of the other two philosophies, but he is taught to execrate them as barbarous outrages upon morality and common sense. Actually the three philosophies are barely distinguishable, and the social systems which they support are not distinguishable at all. Everywhere there is the same pyramidal structure, the same worship of semi-divine leader, the same economy existing by and for continuous warfare."
-The Theory and Practice of Oligarchical Collectivism by Emmanuel Goldstein (1984)
The Predictive Programming of Revelation, Orwell, and Huxley is nearly complete...
What? Do you mean that EVERYBODY would be allowed to commit FORGERY?!!!!
I'll have you know that forgery is illegal unless performed by a central bank!
Why, if everyone could commit forgery, there would be monetary chaos.
..........Oh,,,,,,,,,, um, er, yes.
And he took the calf the people had made and burned it in the fire; then he ground it to powder, scattered it on the water and made the Israelites drink it.
the kremlin is is dire straights economcally right now, they can't bail out anyone. they are looking for someone to prop them up under the disquise of bashig the USA/dolllar
And you are clueless if you think that's what's going on...
The Russian Economy is hurting true. But look at whats happening all ove the planet everyone else is hurting to. The only reason the US economy isn't screaming is because it's so anesthetized it can't feel the wounds.
I think is because you are all on "dope."
I think is because you are all on "dope."
Russia has started exporting food (currently poultry, turkey soon beef) to the EU. It's internal producers have received a massive boost from the currency manipulation bu the banksters.
Compare debt:
http://www.economist.com/content/global_debt_clock/
sorry to dispute your illusions...
notice also much demonized Belarus tiny debt per citizen
U R on sum good Drugz ^^^
US will offer currency union to Grenada. If they refuse, US will invade.
Everyday, the hegemon of this world is finding new threats to its full-spectrum dominance.
US will offer currency union to the Vatican next. The Pope can then also be the Pope of Greenwich Village
History teaches: US isolation = world war. It's coming.
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Such a big delusion.
Most of US citizens can simply not face what they truly are so they keep inventing stories.
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xhr4mm_i-am-the-pope_shortfilms
Pope of Greenwich Village.
Hollywood is total shit and joke but Mickey Rourke had "it" back in those days. Poor guy kind of lost the plot.
In addition to many opposing views, we also get to see things from the perspective of Putin, who envisions a Eurasian bloc, a USSR without communism but with a strong identity.
Putin is a chess master & historian. I'm certain he's aware of The Banking Emergency Act of 1933 & the Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. receivership of the broke US into the hands of the IMF, World Bank & BIS.
The Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC. is done. Stick a fork in it.
Those that down voted you couldnt handle the TRUTH...just sayin
If the EU knew what was good for it, it would join too. Sadly, it's controlled by the same disgusting parasites that control that formerly great nation known as the USA.
An Europe that let Russian tell them what to do? On what merit? Big army? EU has it? Big Money? EU has More. Hardy people that can fight to no end, EU does not lack any of them...
I doubt its my imagination that allies are being formed at a rapid pace. Me thinks the World has had ENOUGH of our hegemony and our now working behind the scenes to bring the big bad bully to its KNEES...fuck, I hate this sheeit
E=mc^2 will last a fuck of a lot longer than any fiat -- including the USD.
Accordingly, any currency that is backed by E (Energy) and m (mass of Precious Materials) will outlast King Dollar.
p.s. Replacing c with v in that famous equation, leads to v^2. Where v is the velocity of Pb, which is also good to back a currency or your personal assets.
Never imagine these things are all that surprising.
Regional stability is very important in times of transition. If one wants to be cynical, Kissinger would probably approve of allowing this to happen when the US and Iran are making moves to a little more normalization. Everyone feels a little bit safer and everyone feels a little bit more grounded.
Just in (last 4 hrs):
http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2015/03/20/394280927/iran-nuclear-ta...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/03/20/us-iran-nuclear-idUSKBN0MG1R02...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/20/iran-nuclear-talks-adjourn-...
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/11484461/Obama...
Neocon backlash:
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/03/rubio-obama-isnt-nicer-to-i...
Expect ISIL to throw a curve ball or Assad to be pulled into it early next week. June 30th is the target date in any case.
serpent earworms on parade.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_4Y9JwY8pEk
Who Loves You- Frankie Valli and the Four Seasons
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suckers, one and all.
Suckers and Serpents?
Here's a link (nsfw, naughty naughty).
off topic
not off at all, depending on your
comprehension of the true nature
of the topic.
http://www.youtubeloop.com/album/Dummy/artist/NRBQ
Dummy by NrBq
I cannot BELIEVE the lack of critical thinking on this thread. Don't you Putin fan-boys see this is a terrible idea? Look at the EU. It will end the same way. Forex fluctuations provide important economic signals without which we end up with the EU situation.
This is just further proof that Russian leaders are just as bad as the West. They just want their own hands in the cookie jar. Don't accept the kabuki theater.
The problem with EU is lack of political will. Another union may have it.
That is possible. They may have the political will. But without forex fluctuations, they will not have direct data to see economic trends. Without unadulterated market data, they will not be able to make the right decisions, no matter their will. That is why smaller systems are more responsive and manage themselves better than gargantuan behemoths. No reason why a bureaucrat in Astana will know the best course of action to take in Krasnoyarsk.
Which would be true if the following weren't also true:
1) There exist entities that have enough sway to game FOREX fluctuations (G. Soros comes to mind)
2) HFTs exist
Serious question: do you think that FOREX currently is an accurate and honest way to measure economic stablity within a currency?
If so, I've a thought.
+1 in any case, ZH seems to have become rather anemic and anti-questioning recently, so it's good to have some grar.
p.s.
I spot a random junker on my comments. Not to mention a link with an extremely attractive woman in skimpy undies got a junk, that's just bizarre for ZH. Can't we have the old style fighty fighty?
Yes, forex can be manipulated. However, losses are a real possibility. In a currency union, an artificial exchange rate is hidden and socialized. Of course, there are benefits to having a fixed exchange rate. But the economic distortions that follow are too high a price to pay. Net negative effect. It's great for centralization of power, however. Clearly, we must guard against it and seek more local control over economies. The wisdom of the crowds is greater than the wisdom of a few bureaucrats.
However, if you look at the trade sheets for these three, two are already nearing client status anyhow. Added to that Bel has had major currency issues.
This was bound to happen, the important thing is that it's been done via currency rather than other methods.
Because Putin is doing it suddenly makes the concept a great idea that will benefit all those involved.
Putin will be as Germany is to Greece when the time comes, only worse. There is no benefit to the smaller economies longer term.
Economic alliance or cooperation is fine but a currency union, no. Shared bank, fine.
Russia has used Iraq, Libya, Syria, EUke and soon Iran as military sacrifices to keep the wolves occupied. Now Russia may want to have countries to sacrifice economicly to keep the wolves away in the economic war. Has China lined up to form a currency union with Russia?
Russia has used Iraq, Libya, Syria, EUke and soon Iran as military sacrifices to keep the wolves occupied.
You're fucking deluded.
Iraq:
The resolution text was drafted jointly by the United States and the United Kingdom, the result of eight weeks of tumultuous negotiations, particularly with Russia and France. France questioned the phrase "serious consequences" and stated repeatedly that any "material breach" found by the inspectors should not automatically lead to war; instead the UN should pass another resolution deciding on the course of action. In favour of this view is the fact that previous resolutions legitimizing war under Chapter VII used much stronger terms, like "...all necessary means..." in Resolution 678 in 1990 and that Resolution 1441 stated that the Security Council shall "remain seized of the matter."
On 8 November 2002, the Security Council passed Resolution 1441 by a unanimous 15–0 vote; Russia, China, France, and Arab states such as Syria voted in favor,
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution...
Lybia:
Russia and four other council members – China, Germany, Brazil and India – abstained from the vote.
http://rt.com/politics/libya-russia-security-council-un/
Syria:
veto'd
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/may/22/russia-china-veto-un-draft-...
If you count vote for after major concessions - abstained - veto'd as "sacrifices", you're insane. If anything, it just points to the relative power disparity between Russia and 5 EyEs.
p.s.
Forgot I have to spell these things out in ZH these days - note the lessening pool of voters... France went for Lybia, Syria was destabalized, then only Russia and China were left. It was fairly clever, if you're not bothered about all those body bags.
Iraq - Russia did not veto the BS resolutions that were clearly intended to be used as an excuse to destroy Iraq. In other words Russia sat back and watched and did not even want to rock the west's boat by veto. Look what happened, how false the excuses were, the result and Russia's inaction. During the destruction and killing in Iraq Russia did nothing.
Libya - Russia did not vote to BS resolutions that were clearly intended to be used as an excuse to destroy Libya. In other words Russia sat back and watched and did not even want to rock the west's boat by veto. Look what happened, how false the excuses were, the result and Russia's inaction. During the destruction and killing in Libya Russia did nothing.
Iran - Russia voted FOR the sanctions and actions taken against Iran even though they were clearly based upon lies and false "evidence". In other words Russia did not even want to be a team play with the west and voted for these actions against Iran. Putin cancelled a signed contract to sell missiles to Iran that Iran could use to defend itself. The leader of Iran publicly state the Russia was at the point of making itself the enemy of Iran.
Syria - Russia forced Syria to give up it's chemical weapons (or Russia would stop selling arms). Russia cancelled a signed contract to sell Syria missiles that could be used against air craft. Israel and western proxies now fly into Syria and bomb targets. A Jordanian plane was shot down but NO Israel or west plane is even fired upon. The west used control of Syria's air space to drop supplies to the insurgents. Russia has not flown a single mission in support of Syria. During the destruction and killing in Syria Russia has done nothing.
EUke - Twice when the EUke had taken the advantage and cornered a large group of the WUke army, Russia forced the EUke's to agree to a cease fire. The EUke's rely upon Russia to sell them arms. The leader of the EUke forces called this a betrayal by Putin. When the first cease fire was violated Russia sat back and did nothing. When the EUke's fought and died to regain the advantage they lost by the cease fire Putin again stopped them and forced them to allow the WUke's to withdraw to safety.
In order:
1) No one voted against Iraq. France and Russia held out a while, but if you know anything about geopolitics, the USA and UK were pulling major weight during this process. If you weren't so stupid, it's part of why France / Lybia and Malawi got support. France held out - got a chip, which they spent on...
2) Libya - you've no idea what was actually happening on the ground. Hint: one of the largest and rudest PSYOP and media engagements since Vietnam. Russia, India, Brazil, Germany [BRICS + Major EU industry] abstained, which in geopolitical terms means: you're going to do this anyhow, but we don't support it. Those four took the space to form other agreements. (Notably: RU - India). USA was getting payback (and to a lesser extent, UK / FR) and it's not a coincidence Gadaf was raped up the ass with a bowie knife on HD that was degraded to camera phone for the masses. Do you need me to hold your hand and get you that video and Hillary laughing about "We came, We saw, We killed him"?
3) Syria had no chemical weapons of any note. I'm well aware of how the game was played there, and LEST YOU FUCKING FORGET: someone dumped intel from Britam onto the net <> Quatar and fucked the entire plan up for two years. Certain players had to form ISIL to push that one forward. (HINT: It ain't Russian weapons they're using).
4) You've literally no idea what's going on in the Ukraine, or why. You probably don't even know that ~750,000+ civilians have fled to Russia so far.
The rest is nonsense. I strongly suggest you get a clue. Or fuck off. Or educate yourself.
p.s.
Benghazi.
We've tried to tell you this before, but you're all so fucking tech illiterate that you don't get it.
Vilerat was an EvE player, who happened to be stationed there. When the attack happened, he was online, playing EvE. The chat notes prove it, and he typed "Wait... I think we're under attack"
Since you dumb fucks can't put a case together to save your lives, if you have a fat enough connection to be running EvE, you SURE AS SHIT have a fat enough pipe for direct video to command. If your GOP or anyone in the US had any real interest in the case apart from scoring points, you'd have pulled the video data direct and the direct calls for backup.
Note: they weren't and you won't, as it's all politics, not actual truth you're looking for. It's more than likely that those recordings are stored somewhere, by at least 6 agencies however. (Question: what does tech do when attacked? Pick up a rifle and bravely defend the compound, or spend 40 mins on the pipe on SITREP? Durrr).
Goddess you fuckers are dumb.
p.p.s
Standard procedure for a USA compound being over-run is to wipe all sensitive material, and since Ben was CIA linked, you'd think that those wipes would have been marked to mark to command. Sure, the compound went up in flame, but if you're not a fucking moron, you know that it takes a little bit more due dilligence to wipe it all. It's also 1:1 backup to command when you do it when channel is live; it's the second last command process.
Muppet. Now fuck off.
Again:
1. All Russia had to do was to cast a vote and the attack on Iraq would have been diverted. Instead Russia did not even vote and sat and watched the destruction of Iraq. Iraq was a country that considered Russia an ally. Instead Russia watch them be killed. Some ally, some friend. Did Russia get something for this or was Russia afraid of angering the west?
2. Libya - All Russia had to do was cast a vote and the attack on Libya would have been diverted. Instead Russia did not even vote and sat and watched the destruction of Libya. Libya was a country that considered Russia an ally. Instead Russia watch them be killed. Some ally, some friend. Did Russia get something for this or was Russia afraid of angering the west? I do not disagree with the atrocities you speak of, but Russia could have prevented them just by casting a simple vote. Russia used the Libyans blood to occupy and divert the attention of the west.
3. Syria did have sufficient chemical weapons to cause fear in the western forces. Russia forced Syria to surrender them which made Syria more vulnerable. Then Russia did not step in to protect the Russian "ally" that Russia had just made vulnerable. Instead Russia again sits back and watches the people of Syria be killed. In fact Putin cancelled the contract to sell missiles that Syria needs to defend itself (thus making Syria more vulnerable). The insurgent push into Syria has never abided and in fact now the Syrian air space is controlled by the west and Syria is bombed. Russia does nothing. Russia uses the Syrian blood to, and extends the fighting, divert/occupy the west.
4. Russia forced the EUke army to, not once but twice, let the trapped WUke forces withdraw safely when the EUke's had fought and died to get in the postion to deal the fatal blows. The EUke's who have fled to Russia do so because Russia does NOTHING to take out the WUke forces who are killing the people of EUke. And Russia could easily do so. Russia purposefully extends the fighting and uses the EUke blood to divert/occupy the west.
LOL WHAT A DUNGHILL RAT YOU'RE .
There is no chance in hell that Chinese will join any of these kind of unions. Imaging taking orders from others, or telling others what to do with their own country. But one can dream, and CPC could have a death wish!
Putin isn't turning the water off in Detroit.
Exactly. "This is just further proof that Russian leaders are just as bad as the West".Or... The game they're playing is just that: a game. "Pour la gallerie".
Bankers go to prison in Russia.
Hell, China executes them for stealing.
You know your money will be treated well.
This should be the Union's slogan -
"If you steal from the people, we kill you comrade"
Field of Dreams 2: Clear a field, build a guillotine, and then one day the impoverished American people will come dragging the banksters behind.
The banksters need to repay us.
Yeah but look at Corzine...oh wait!
I can hear the queen's hooves pacing on the chamber floor
Cf.
(Do I really have to translate the French for people here? Don't take the URL as the actual point, it's a little deeper than that. Thanks for the junk though!)
No one should really care. Its good to have that sort of credit risk in one currency basket seperate. It will take a while
to replace "The Reserve Currency" utterly. The Russians and the Chinese are just playing each other anyway. That
will go nowhere good fast.
Release the kraken: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb2zIR2rvRQ
John McCain and some other senators are calling for combating China in the South China Sea as speak.