This is stupid. Red meat for die hard republicans. Let me know when Obama tryies to have a sitting Supreme Court justice arrested for telling him something is illegal. Yes, Obama is pretty bad, but Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR were worse
You see those lines of letters that are different colored and start with 'http'?
You can click those and then different web pages with supporting information will appear. They contain polysyllabic words, so you should ask someone to read them to you.
Don't be naive. Many democrats now realize that President Pimp is a nasty piece of work. The difference between Obama and the other tyrants you list is that the Pmp hates America and most of its hnhabitants.
FWIW: Most US presidents were terrible. When you include risks, the two worse are:
Madison: Declared war against England with no army and no navy. British troops burned down Washington and invaded several major cities.
Lincoln: 670,000 Americans died during the civil war. Highest lost of american lives in any war in american history. Suspected habeas corpus. Imprisioned journalist critical of the war.
No one can come close to Dishonest Abe. Lincoln set the precedent for both the Fed and the 16th Amendment, by issuing greenbacks and establishing a "war-time" income tax. And statists/proggies would have us believe that war was another honorable crusade about freeing the oppressed. (It's easy to see where all this "mind other people's business" shit got its start.) It was a ruthless power play about property and what entity would maintain final control over all of it. Thankye, Abe, you made us all slaves. Way to go!
I will never get why ZH posts guest articles ripping Obama for attempting to reach a resolution over Iran's nuclear program that avoids major military conflict (that could ultimately put Russia & the US at even greater odds).
I dislike Obama in the same way and for most of the same reasons I disliked Bush Jr., but if war with/against Iran can be avoided despite Israel & Saudi Arabia's strong desires to see such a conflict, I will laud Obama for this major accomplishment.
Allowing Iran to have few centrifuges all but guarantees they can only be used to make bomb fuel because it takes many MANY times more to make electrical reactor fuel. Seems odd doesnt it?
I'll tell you that anyone who thinks this is the time Obama finally gets something right in foreign policy is deluding themselves. This situation is not what you think it is and is definitely not as-advertised.
I would think his past missteps would have warranted more scepticism than this on ZH. I get that most here don't like Israel, but if you think taking the other side is going to make this turn out better somehow, you've going to learn a hard lesson about international politics.
You may commence boming me out of the room with red arrows, but remember what this stupid old man said to you.
2) Instead of cryptic speak, why not just state what you think Obama is/is not doing, is/is not being controlled by, regarding Iranian P5+1 negotiations.
3) What's your proposal to solve the issue at hand?
Look-- Obama absolutely hates America; that isn't up for debate. Every single thing he has said and done has supported that fact. You actually have to admire the guy for his forthrightness and consistency. So that alone is enough to tell you that his Iran policy is not in American interests.
But if that isn't enough-- let's examine some other circumstantial evidence:
1) Valerie Jarrett, the shadow president, was raised in Iran.
2) we know that Obama was born Muslim, and raised as a Muslim by his Muslim stepfather. So we know he will support any Islamic state over the USA.
3) the Obama administration is riddled with members of the Muslim Brotherhood.
4) it is a badly-kept secret that the current head of the CIA is a crypto-Muslim, having been converted during his time in Saudi Arabia.
Putting nuclear arms in Iran supports Islam in the region and undermines US security and influence in the region. Therefore, Obama will support that outcome.
Is Obama the worst President ever? Does a bear shit in the woods?
Obama is the Zero man--the ultimate triumph of hype over substance. He was an unproven, empty suit sold to us by a cheerleading PC Media desperate for racial "redemption". Lucky for Obama, the American people were so dazzled with "Hope and Change", combined with the novelty of electing the first Black president, that they barely asked any questions either.
What is Obama?
An atheist with deep Muslim sympathies
A Marxist who has been co-opted into supporting crony capitalism
A narcissist who wrote (or ghost wrote) two autobiographies before he had done jack squat. In fact, one could convincingly argue he didn't do anything of substance until becoming POTUS. And giving speeches doesn't count.
A race baiter who absolutely hates white people, but has no problem using them (or doing white women). And, of all the white people, he hates the Clintons the most. Maybe even more than Netanyahu, but it's probably a toss-up
He also genuinely hates the America who gave him so many opportunities. His wet dream is to transform America into a Third World country.
Obama is fascinated by, and sympathetic to, all enemies of America. I'm convinced he wants to see Iran get a nuke and use it on Israel and the USA--but only after he is out of office.
A political animal. Despite his inate sympathies, he had no problem killing bin Laden 'cause he knew it would help him get re-elected.
Why should there even be a solution? How about solving the "issue" by simply declaring it a non-US interest? In other words, let's mind our own damn business AND only our own business. Who's Iran? Who's Israel? Who fucking cares!, would be a more fruitful operating principle of .guv policy. And not just in the Mid East. How about playing real defense for once, not the soft pedaled offense that has us entangled everywhere today? It's like the British trying to maintain control of India after the war, this activist policy abroad just hastens the end of what little influence we have remaining over these events. It's stoopid.
Let me first say that I don't trust a single govt, anywhere, with nuclear weapons. With that out of the way, I find it insanely hypocritical to here the only country in history that has ever used a nuclear weapon (entirely unnecessarily and against two civilian populations with no military value, no less) team up with a country that has defied international law and refused to sign any non preliferation treaty while developing hundreds of nuclear weapons and lying about it, AND these are by far the two most belligerent countries in the world, tell another country they are breaking the law with uranium enrichment. I'm no fan of Iran, but remind me how many countries they have invaded this past few decades?
First, I think Obama is consciously making a major strategic realignment in the middle east. US allies there have traditionally been Sunni, aka Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Saudis, etc. By itself, this has a lot of negative implications for regional stability and peace.
Next, he is foolishly allowing Iran to become a nuclear threshold state, Because of the dynamics of the region, and without the protector ship of the US, all the major Sunni powers will also try and become nuclear threshold powers. Iran, fearing the nuclear programs of the Saudis, etc, will complete the deal, tha tis, they will not trust the Sunnis to stop at threshold. This means lots of nuclear proliferation to lots of unstable countries with lots of crazies vying for power and control, in short, a very much more dangerous world.
Allowing the Iranian nukes is crazy. They support terrorist groups which are hostile to America. I'm not a fan of giving such destructive weapons to those opposed to us (assuming you live in the States). The policy is flawed and weakens the US.
This is just a shill. Fact: the only state to have been given nukes by the US is Israel who are not signed up to non proliferation. Every other nation has had to PAY for US nukes and associated tech. As for the US having a policy that allows or facilitates such tech to Iran, what utter shite. Get a brain numbnut.
What about the flawed plans given to Iran by CIA where Iran found the flaws and sussed undiscovered techonlogy out of the rest of the plans? Was that against policy?
The US did not give Isreal nuclear weapons. The US did have a close collaboration with the United Kingdon on nuclear weapons, but not Isreal. In fact, it is not certain Isreal has nuclear weapons. It may all be a bluff.
Has America done wrong? Yes, and every other country in the world too.
Don't try to equate what the rest of the world has done to what USA has done. USA is far worse than anyone. The USA NEEDS to be destroyed in its present form whereas most of the rest of the world needs much smaller changes.
Pakistan is about 1000 miles further east than Iran. Pakistan is a Muslim nation. Pakistan is swimming in nuclear weapons.
But Pakistan is NOT swimming in crude oil.
Why should Israel care about Pakistan with all her nuclear weapons if she has no oil, when Israel can wail about Iran who has no nuclear weapons yet, but is very rich in the possession of crude?
I can see that the bullshit of your fathers was visited upon you.
good post. It's funny how the neocons always attack countries on the false premisesbthat they have WMD, but just happen to have a wealth of oil. Yet, the countries with the most destructive WMD and crazy Islamic leadership are ignored.
"I AM MORE EQUAL" HAS EITHER GONE FULL RETARD OR IS A PAID SHILL FOR THE NEOCONS... OR BOTH
At some point, the United States will come to terms with the fact that it isn't the world's enforcer anymore and no longer (never had!) the right to tell other countries what they can and cannot do (any more than the USSR could tell the US not to pursue a program of nuclear military build-up).
Iran did not weaken us .. nor Russia . nor anyone else but our own lunatic leaders of the last 4 decades or more. Weaken the US .. we did that all by ourselves . from within . through corrupton.. greed.. empire building . regime change and an arrogance not seen since Napoleon.
Shall we see what the agreement says first? I suspect Obomber is legacy molding - CUBA, IRAN, etc. Based upon what Obomber has done over the past 6+ years, I expect the agreement to suck. Once other realize Obomber's motives, lots of deals will get done. Let's see.
At first I was like yeah! but then I was like ah dammit. There is no excusing or making acceptable his flawed policies short of him utterly reversing course and undoing all the damage wrought.
Side thought: If Obama is really acting on his own here and disregarding orders from above then there will be hell to pay and if this scenario is anything like all the rest, it will be us doing the paying.
My guess is that war against Iran and Syria is likely being temporarily postponed like the conflict in the Ukraine rather than being avoided. Minsk II has given Porko and Rats the time (and IMF resources to survive contrary to the charter) to rearm with American and Nato assistance for the upcoming battles to crush the independance movement in the East and perhaps retake Crimea.
Once Russia and Europe are fully engaged this summer Syria and Iran will be indefensible and ripe for the picking.
In any event it is still a more competent plan than the NeoCon effort to start multiple wars on multiple fronts simultaneously...
One thing I've learned is that the US does things like that once it has no other choice. There is no more profit to be made from this situation because militarily the US is stretched very thin. It would be impossible to go up against a well-armed foe with a world-class army like Iran.
Not to worry, Arnold. The first carrier is but 4 months late and Putin doesn't need it for any putschs or coups right away. Hollande is grateful for opportunity to look firm.
As for the Iran nuke deal, Iran was never going to cave on the US ultimatum. This isn't about nuclear weapons; it's about who Iran's crude oil really belongs to.
That was the thinking on Iraq too. And it didn't take much to crush Saddam and his huge army that ran like little girls after only 50 days of intense bombing by B52s etc. And didn't Saddam cry like a little girl when he was found hiding in his hole?
And what about that 7 day war thing? All the Arab countries and their mighty armies crushed by the Isreal forces, many of whom were WOMEN? But what hot, tough women those Isrealies are? Arab men hide behind their women and children the former being covered in bukkas. When you reject science and embrace irrational Islam, not only don't you have atomic bombs, but you get your hairy ass kicked back to the medieval period where you belong.
Survival of the fittest always works, even if you don't believe in evolution, like all Moslems apparently. But for some reason E= m*c^2 appeals to them, though they could never figure it out for themselves. Good luck with that 70 virgin thing losers!
Being NPT signatory iran has full right to use nuclear tech for energy generation purpose . moreover israel had nukes since 80s . Wouldn't iranians or others will feel the same ? and msm itself reported iran is nowhere near in making a nuclear bomb . they gave their ambitions when iraq invasion took place . Although having a nuke will end israel leverage in middle east as they've to recognize dual state ( palestine) with pre 1967 UN borders .
Iran should be praised for their commitment to stopping climate change. I mean they could have spent all of the money they spent on their nuclear program and invested it in refineries and had plenty of cheap fuel with plenty of money left over for gender equality studies. Instead, because of their commitment to the UN and climate change initiatives, they have chosen to live with harsh financial hardships of international punishments for their nuclear energy pursuit. We should hail them as heroes. And the constant references to their occasional outbursts of hatred towards Jews and other non Islamic nations is simply a cultural thing...kind of like terets syndrome, and completely harmless. They are Muslim, a religion of peace, at least as long as you agree with them on just about everything, and we should be willing to compromise. I mean, we really don't have any values anyway, so who are we to suggest their values are wrong. The simple fact that they have very few divorces and virtually NO homosexuals tells me they enjoy a completely love filled and harmonious existence that we too should emulate.
I for one would prefer Iran does not develop nukes but I would simply take a MAD position on it if they do.
As for Israel, we are NOT Israel. You wanna protect Israel? YOU go protect Israel. That pretty much goes for any other country as well. I'd prefer our resources actually be used to defend OUR borders from people, organizations, countries that might try to actually attack us.
"...I will laud Obama for this major accomplishment..."
I'll go way further than that and say the thing I admire most about Obama (despite all his faults) is the fact that he isn't following the script on this issue and is trying to do something about Iran. I have no idea why. This is very un-Obama like - he's defying everyone in the D.C. cesspool, their handlers, the lobbyists, the monied interests, etc. - basically, all the psychopaths that really run the U.S.
This doesn't absolve him of all the other damage his office has done to the country, but I don't for a second believe he really has a say in most of that. He really doesn't have a say in anything about Iran, either - it's just odd that he's trying to do anything at all. Obama has absolutely nothing personal to gain by engaging Iran and everything to lose. TPTB have been on autopilot to an Iranian genocide for decades - it will happen - they have all ready decided. Out of all the things Obama did, THIS would have probably been the easiest for him to simply ignore and let happen.
I don't care if he's successful or not - for this one, single issue, Obama is being openly defiant against his masters. Futile or not, this delights me to no end.
If Obama wanted the oil, he would sit back and do nothing. TPTB will either ensure a war starts so they can take it by force, or they will engineer an Iranian Spring to to take over the country from within and install ANOTHER U.S. puppet regime.
Since Obama's efforts are towards the end of just treating Iran like a soverign nation instead of destroying it, he's working against TPTB's efforts, i.e., he's not going after their oil.
the 2 Iraq wars and the Iranian sanctions were about keeping their oil OFF the market.........now, they want that Iran oil flowing, they need that oil flowing the empire be damned they must save the american economy and low oil prices are the last tool in the monetary tool box.........it wont work, but its all they got.....jmho
I disagree. The two Iraq wars were about destroying Iraqi military capability and killing Iraqis because Israel was paranoid. The Syrian 'revolution' [cough] was about destroying Syrian military capability and killing Syrians because Israel was paranoid. The Iran war and genocide will be about destroying Iran's military capability and killing Iranians because Israel is paranoid. The Gulf states have a number of reasons regarding oil/gas, but also feared the Shia crescent armies. It fits nicely into their security plans to eliminate any threat of the Shia armies by keeping them busy with fake ISIS. Oil and gas are secondary reasons, powerful but not the sole reasons and not the primary reasons. Psychopaths on the periphery looking to fill their pockets with oil money are just not going to let a good war/ethnic cleansing go to waste.
I'm not sure how you figure Iran's oil fits into prices. The economies of the world are on their death-beds. Nobody needs to pump another drop of oil to keep prices down - nobody is buying any because there's no economic activity and nobody needs or wants the oil. It will take years to scale up Iran's oil produciton anyway. Iraq is only at about a quarter or third of their production. It would be a hell of a lot easier to pull fake ISIS out of Iraq if you wanted to flood the market with oil then it would be to take over Iran and develop fields there.
The Gulf States don't want Iran's oil to flow EVER and Israel doesn't want Iran's gas to get to the EU before they monopolize the market with thier Leviathan gas. Sorry, but I don't see anyone with the will or desire to take over Iran for it's oil. There's too many powers that want to make sure Iran never sells much.
"The hill all abound with the sound of hebrews". Before all you hebs get your shorts in a knot, the quote was by comedian Jerry Lewis on T.V when the "Sound of Music" won the Academy Award.
Go smoke some camel doo doo. Save some for Nutty Yahoo to have a toke. Milestones
I'll go way further than that and say the thing I admire most about Obama (despite all his faults) is the fact that he isn't following the script on this issue and is trying to do something about Iran.
I suspect Obama is only appearing to do something about Iran. I expect the negotiations will fail, we'll screw up sanctions a few more notches, a false flag will happen, and then it'll be 'bombs away'.
Using your logic, Neville Chamberlain was a fuckin' foreign policy genius. Right up until Shickelgruber attacked Poland. Give those ragheads an A-bomb, and they'll strap it to a 'martyr' headed for Israel (or maybe a big US city).
Fortunately you bring some real historical perspective as opposed to the garbage that passes as such today from our own administration. This country is being run by a bunch of cowards at best.
"Give those ragheads an A-bomb, and they'll strap it to a 'martyr' headed for Israel (or maybe a big US city)."
Kind of the plan I think. It may be their golden parachute to wipe out our/their debt. If the rich and powerful start moving out of any major city, time to go visit GrandMa.
By any logic, Iran is no Germany in regards to its ability to threaten England much less the US. We are team USA right? We have 50 (or is it 57) states right? So we all agree that Israel and England are not part of the US right?
Seriously, do you want the US to go out of its way to attack another country that is not attacking us so that we can prevent some future attack on another country? Is this some kind of future crime prevention by commit a crime now? WTF?
Had England not signed a bone head treaty with Poland, there would have been no war in the West. Hitler would have reunited the Germans in Gdansk with the rest of the country, and was even offering peaceful land trades to get it. Apparently some Polish Politico/Military higher ups were too stiff necked to listen to reason (backed by England, of course). When that failed, he signed up with Stalin to crush Poland.
Hitler's aspirations were to reunite the German people, get rid of the parastic elements of society, and to (apparently) take over Ukraine.
Obama's aspirations are to divide the American people, get rid of the most productive elements of society, and to (apparently) take over Ukraine.
War with Iran is a given. Revelation 17:11; Daniel 11:40-45
Oblahblah is only a marionette puppet anyway, just like all the others. After Wilson sold out, he had this to say:
“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States —in the fields of commerce and manufacturing—are afraid of somebody. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.” - Woodrow Wilson
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left,27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses.29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Understand that with this truth...
Hebrews 6:4-6 New International Version (NIV)
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit,5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age6 and who have fallen[a] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
I have deliberately sinned after receiving the gift. I am damned as a result.
Have you?
Oh I will get downarrows for this. But you need to know the truth.
Are you chosen?
For many are called but few are chosen.
Wide is the path to eternal destruction.
Narrow is the path to salvation and very few shall find it.
Tom, I've studied the Bible, preached, taught, and written on numerous Biblical subjects for approximately 5 decades. During that time, I've had many question whether they had commited the "unforgivable sin" of blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. This is what you are referring to. There are a few very good articles that I believe cover this issue very well at:
I would advise you to take the time to read them slowly, carefully and prayerfully.
Just the fact that you are concerned, and apparently remorseful about what you have done, and seeking forgiveness is a pretty good indicator that you are probably judging yourself too harshly.
After you have taken the time to contemplate what is covered in the referenced articles, feel free to contact me on this or another thread that is current at that time, to answer any other questions or concerns you may have.
The most important question you are indirectly answering is:
"Who are the chosen?"
And it ain't Israel.
They are those who are called according to His promise, no matter what they used to be, Jew, Gentile, whatever.
Therefore, endless war on behalf of "the Chosen" is not going to do any nation one damned bit of good. I'd say, the opposite. But if there are young, strong Christian men who are willing to head to the ME to fight and lay down their lives to save the lives of the Copts, and other Christians being slaughtered and raped by ISIS, I'd imagine that Jesus would honor a soldier who had "no greater love than to lay down his life for his friend."
They are those who are called according to His promise, no matter what they used to be, Jew, Gentile, whatever."
Absolutely correct! Galatians 3 makes that perfectly clear. There is blood on the hands of every "christian" that supports this modern day, fake, impostor "israel" that was bought by Walter Rothschild from the British through the Balfour declaration.
"In her was found the blood of prophets and of God's holy people, of all who have been slaughtered on the earth." - Revelation 18:24
Sounds like maybe Woodrow was wise about Rome, as a few other presidents were. Few realize that our Constitution and our liberties are of protestant origin, and protestantism in America is dead.
“I see a very dark cloud on America’s horizon, and that dark cloud is coming from Rome.’’ - Abraham Lincoln
"I have long been decided in opinion that a free government and the Roman Catholick religion can never exist together in any nation or Country." "Liberty and Popery cannot live together." - John Adams, 2nd President of the United States
The pope, a Jesuit, speaks to a joint session of Congress in September - very ominous. Thomas Jefferson would know America had truly lost her way:
"I do not like the late Resurrection of the Jesuits. They have a General, now in Russia, in correspondence with jesuits in the U.S. who are more numerous than everybody knows. Shall We not have Swarms of them here? In as many shapes and disguises as ever.... In the shape of printers, Editors, Writers, School masters, etc. If ever any Congregation of men could merit, eternal Perdition on Earth and in Hell... it is this Company of Loyola." - Thomas Jefferson, 2nd President of the United States
The oldest Catholic publication in America boasts that the Catholic takeover of the United States is almost complete:
Pope "Gregory XVI, in Mirari Vos of August 1832, described liberty of conscience as a mad opinion. Religious liberty was said to flow from 'the most fetid fount of indifferentism.' He condemn freedoms of worship, the press, assembly and education as a filthy sewer full of 'heritical vomit.'" - Vicars of Christ - The Dark Side of the Papacy by former Jesuit author Peter De Rosa.
It's no mystery why our liberties are very rapidly disappearing.
regarding Iran, if it wasn’t for the 1953 Coup d’état that overthrew Mosaddegh ,orchestrated by Kermit Roosevelt, Jr of the CIA as well as British intelligencethere would never have been a Shah nor a Khomeini ,instead Iran would probably be a lot like modern day Turkey
Lincoln, Wilson, Roosevelt and Truman did more damage than anyone since. They set the whole thing in motion and Truman allowed the raping of the taxpayers and the rise of the banksters with the Marshall plan.
The worst presidents are the ones worshipped the most by the commie profs in the Ivy League (and their fellow wannabes) humanities departments.
They've all been figureheads approved by the C.I.A. after J.F.K.
Jimmy Carter's heart was in the right place, which means he was in the wrong place his whole Presidency.
Who is President won't matter until we have a President who is an amalgamation of an Andrew Jackson and a Dwight Eisenhower - who tells the Banks and the Military Industrial Complex where to shove it. I don't see how that could ever happen in the current environment.
You are absolutely correct. That person would never make it out of the primaries. You don't win the presidency by collecting $20 checks from regular rubes.
Whopee woo, you were alive in 1976. I was 40 at the time. there is only one idiot in this conversation. Sonny, don't look around to see who it is. What president allowed the Irianian crisis to exist?? Quick about it, Mr. smartty pants. Milestones
That would be awesome, ebworthen, a President who is a blend of Jackson & Ike.
But in the current environment, I fear a candidate like that would be likely to have a bullet or two inserted in his head if he had any real chance of winning.
I used to think that way too, however it's not that easy to evaluate what's really going on. Ike warned us about the military industrial complex and corruption, that post WWII, the United States for the first time had a constant and very powerful lobby to perrpetuate war. Due to corruption, that lobby was a smashing success, refedining wars into many different terms such as "police actions" and keeping us at war spending levels for the better part of a century. This has murdered millions of people and utterly destroyed our economy, saddling us with a mountain of debt that cannot be repaid. The United States has been involved in at least one war every year since WWII except for five peacetime years: 1976-1978, 1997, and the year 2000.That’s 75 years of war in the last 80 years, and that’s a big tab to pay.
I will call your attention to the fact that 60% of that peacetime period, the only three year stretch since WWII was under Jimmy Carter. The reason you think Jimmy Carter was the worst president, worse than Woodrow Wilson who established the Fed and the Federal Income tax, worse than that elitist commie symp FDR who built the federal collossus, is mere ignorance.
The presidents are playing the part given to them, and at this late stage in the game, they are mere puppets with almost no free will. The similarities between the Bush and Obama administration should have made that clear to all but the dullest among us.
Hold on there....the worst president in the US was without question George "W" Bush. There has been no one before and no one since that has completely destroyed the economic system of the world in such a short period of time. He left us with trillions in debt, destroyed our international reputation for things like torture and economic abuse and destroyed the international banking system. Not only that but he turned our economy into a "Corporate/Banking Socialistic Government" where trillions were handed out to our big banks, corporations, and international friends (those very people that went on a gambling binge) ....and not given to the masses of people that lost their incomes and livelyhood. He destroyed the middle class in order to pay for the risk taking by the Banking system....his good buddies. HOW CAN WE FORGET THIS TRAVESTY when it just occured recently. Then he handed this huge bag of shit to the democrats...and then the Republicans stonewalled any changes to the very banking system that destroyed the world. Don't blame the Obama administration when we all remember exctly what happened under the suicidle 8 year watch of George "W" "The decider" Bush.
You make it sound like Obama WANTED to change the banking system that destroyed the world, but he was stopped by the Republicans. So why did Obama pick Tim Geithner as his first Treasury Secretary?
That's the act of a President who is either happy with the status quo, or who wants to be a puppet to the banksters. Or both.
If you're a jew... Obama is the BEST President ever...
<--- patiently waiting for the concise 'dissent' position to my postulation ~ whereby, you EXPLAIN to me how JEWS have suffered during the Obama Presidency]
[Calling all Jews here to explain to me how you've suffered during the Obama presidency]...
Oh ~ & while you're at it... Can y'all EXPLAIN to me how this comment was GREETED with [6 RED ARROWS] within 2 minutes & 45 seconds of posting... Do y'all REALLY get paid that many sheckels?... Or does one limp dick just get paid 4 writing the algo code?... Which means to say ~ You're getting 'JEWED' on your compensation...
You're not paying attention. Obama took many of Bush's policies and double downed on them. We have more cracking down on whistle blowers with less transparency and more spying on everything. Under Obama, the US has been bombing other countries left and right. Gitmo is still open. The TBTF banks have gotten even bigger under Obama's watch. If you didn't like Bush, you should hate Obama.
BS ! This is how you recognize a "democrat" talking line in 99 % of cases: our guy has his problems, but the guy from the R team was a complete moron. Same algo when it comes to "republican" talking lines. Well, I'm not afilliated to any party and I couldn't care less of what label a politician decides to stick onto his hat but in this particular case I must say that, compared to Obama, Bush looks like Einstein in a good day ! Just a quick tour of their foreign policy "accomplishments" would be enough for a "no contest" decision...
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Jimmy Carter remains the worst. When Obama is done with the lame-duck portion of his administration, he'll make Carter look like Reagan.
US Grant was the worst by far, but at least he could be excused through being drunk
the whole time.
I'd bet that those killed by actions of the US presidents would say that their killer was the worst one.
So, they are all the worst.
Lincoln, Wilson, FDR, LBJ...,
in that order. Hope they are all roasting in Hell.
This is stupid. Red meat for die hard republicans. Let me know when Obama tryies to have a sitting Supreme Court justice arrested for telling him something is illegal. Yes, Obama is pretty bad, but Lincoln, Wilson, and FDR were worse
Uhh, you got two Democrats up there, mate.
I rarely downvote, but please explain what the fuck difference that makes?
It's Saturday, so it's time for the weekly cartoon from the retarded point of view.
Cartoons are great for communicating simple points to simple minds.
Unfortunately, it would be difficult to express in a cartoon that:
both US and Israeli intelligence admit that Iran has no nuclear weapon program,
IAEA inspectors have been monitoring Iran's nuclear research for decades,
the sanctions imposed against Iran are in violation of the UN charter,
for over a decade Iran has made offers which go above and beyond their obligations under the NPT,
and every effort to resolve diplomatically any outstanding issues has been subverted by the US.
Yep, a cartoon can't do all of that - it requires reading. That's probably why so many Americans are obediently terrified of every new threat du jour.
http://antiwar.com/blog/2012/08/03/ehud-barak-admits-iran-has-defensive-...
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/NH08Ak02.html
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/MH16Ak03.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/05/2013589151459212.html
http://original.antiwar.com/Ted_Snider/2013/09/24/is-iran-just-fooling-us/
http://nationalinterest.org/print/commentary/eight-ways-youre-wrong-abou...
What a silly post.
Everyone knows Obongo is the best simian to ever held office.
You guys...
Sheesh!
The worst president is always the one currently in office.
The person unable to assemble a paragraph calls others retarded. LOL!
Yeah, well, since I didn't draw it in cartoon form, I expected it to be a little too challenging for some.
Thanks for the confirmation.
LOL
"both US and Israeli intelligence admit that Iran has no nuclear weapon program,
IAEA inspectors have been monitoring Iran's nuclear research for decades,"
If they have "no Nuclear weapon Program" , what "Nuclear Research" are the Monitors monitoring?
You see those lines of letters that are different colored and start with 'http'?
You can click those and then different web pages with supporting information will appear. They contain polysyllabic words, so you should ask someone to read them to you.
Ha!! Very funny reply, one of the best put downs, here, in a while. But then what do you expect from a Tarzan Avatar? Me Tarzan, you Jane?
excellent critique. Thank you for taking the time to write it.
Don't be naive. Many democrats now realize that President Pimp is a nasty piece of work. The difference between Obama and the other tyrants you list is that the Pmp hates America and most of its hnhabitants.
...and Wilson is a VERY distant second.
Don't forget the Bush family.
Bush/Cheney. Millions will have died because of these neocon clowns
I'm amazed at the downvotes, I can't believe the number of people that STILL believe the 'official' version of what happened on 911.
However 911 happened, Iraq/Saddam had nothing to do with it.
I thought that consensus was that it was his cabinet running amok that made him as bad as he was.
Every mascott the ZWO puts in the drivers seat is worse than the last one.
Thats not a fun fact.
FWIW: Most US presidents were terrible. When you include risks, the two worse are:
Madison: Declared war against England with no army and no navy. British troops burned down Washington and invaded several major cities.
Lincoln: 670,000 Americans died during the civil war. Highest lost of american lives in any war in american history. Suspected habeas corpus. Imprisioned journalist critical of the war.
united states of zimbaboons, then what, lesbian hitlaryan old fart...?
it's over usa, you done.
No one can come close to Dishonest Abe. Lincoln set the precedent for both the Fed and the 16th Amendment, by issuing greenbacks and establishing a "war-time" income tax. And statists/proggies would have us believe that war was another honorable crusade about freeing the oppressed. (It's easy to see where all this "mind other people's business" shit got its start.) It was a ruthless power play about property and what entity would maintain final control over all of it. Thankye, Abe, you made us all slaves. Way to go!
I will never get why ZH posts guest articles ripping Obama for attempting to reach a resolution over Iran's nuclear program that avoids major military conflict (that could ultimately put Russia & the US at even greater odds).
I dislike Obama in the same way and for most of the same reasons I disliked Bush Jr., but if war with/against Iran can be avoided despite Israel & Saudi Arabia's strong desires to see such a conflict, I will laud Obama for this major accomplishment.
Couldn't agree more. In fact, it would/will far outweigh many of his flawed policies.
It's called the art of Diplomacy. A word never uttered by the Criminal MSM & a word that has been put away into the archive.
Allowing Iran to have few centrifuges all but guarantees they can only be used to make bomb fuel because it takes many MANY times more to make electrical reactor fuel. Seems odd doesnt it?
I'll tell you that anyone who thinks this is the time Obama finally gets something right in foreign policy is deluding themselves. This situation is not what you think it is and is definitely not as-advertised.
I would think his past missteps would have warranted more scepticism than this on ZH. I get that most here don't like Israel, but if you think taking the other side is going to make this turn out better somehow, you've going to learn a hard lesson about international politics.
You may commence boming me out of the room with red arrows, but remember what this stupid old man said to you.
1) We don't know the outcome yet, obviously.
2) Instead of cryptic speak, why not just state what you think Obama is/is not doing, is/is not being controlled by, regarding Iranian P5+1 negotiations.
3) What's your proposal to solve the issue at hand?
Impeach the bastard, post haste!!!
;-D
and replace him with what? McRomney? Both parties are the same so it doesn't matter which ring you kiss
Hey dis History rhymes.
--Neville Chamberlain
Ex CIA Deputy director Mike Morrell (who might know something about this topic) said recently on the Charlie Rose show that limiting Iran's centrifuges to 5000 pretty much limits them to a weapons program. Iran would need many MANY more centrifuges for a power program.
Look-- Obama absolutely hates America; that isn't up for debate. Every single thing he has said and done has supported that fact. You actually have to admire the guy for his forthrightness and consistency. So that alone is enough to tell you that his Iran policy is not in American interests.
But if that isn't enough-- let's examine some other circumstantial evidence:
1) Valerie Jarrett, the shadow president, was raised in Iran.
2) we know that Obama was born Muslim, and raised as a Muslim by his Muslim stepfather. So we know he will support any Islamic state over the USA.
3) the Obama administration is riddled with members of the Muslim Brotherhood.
4) it is a badly-kept secret that the current head of the CIA is a crypto-Muslim, having been converted during his time in Saudi Arabia.
Putting nuclear arms in Iran supports Islam in the region and undermines US security and influence in the region. Therefore, Obama will support that outcome.
You need only to see who has thrived under Obama's policies to know where his heart is. The results on the ground speak for themselves.
Is Obama the worst President ever? Does a bear shit in the woods?
Obama is the Zero man--the ultimate triumph of hype over substance. He was an unproven, empty suit sold to us by a cheerleading PC Media desperate for racial "redemption". Lucky for Obama, the American people were so dazzled with "Hope and Change", combined with the novelty of electing the first Black president, that they barely asked any questions either.
What is Obama?
What is Obama ?
hey that racis' !
/SS
One problem Buckaroo. Obama is a Sunni. As is Jarrett.
Is he negotiating to represent , or to be the Mahdi?
Why should there even be a solution? How about solving the "issue" by simply declaring it a non-US interest? In other words, let's mind our own damn business AND only our own business. Who's Iran? Who's Israel? Who fucking cares!, would be a more fruitful operating principle of .guv policy. And not just in the Mid East. How about playing real defense for once, not the soft pedaled offense that has us entangled everywhere today? It's like the British trying to maintain control of India after the war, this activist policy abroad just hastens the end of what little influence we have remaining over these events. It's stoopid.
Let me first say that I don't trust a single govt, anywhere, with nuclear weapons. With that out of the way, I find it insanely hypocritical to here the only country in history that has ever used a nuclear weapon (entirely unnecessarily and against two civilian populations with no military value, no less) team up with a country that has defied international law and refused to sign any non preliferation treaty while developing hundreds of nuclear weapons and lying about it, AND these are by far the two most belligerent countries in the world, tell another country they are breaking the law with uranium enrichment. I'm no fan of Iran, but remind me how many countries they have invaded this past few decades?
First, I think Obama is consciously making a major strategic realignment in the middle east. US allies there have traditionally been Sunni, aka Turkey, Jordan, Egypt, Saudis, etc. By itself, this has a lot of negative implications for regional stability and peace.
Next, he is foolishly allowing Iran to become a nuclear threshold state, Because of the dynamics of the region, and without the protector ship of the US, all the major Sunni powers will also try and become nuclear threshold powers. Iran, fearing the nuclear programs of the Saudis, etc, will complete the deal, tha tis, they will not trust the Sunnis to stop at threshold. This means lots of nuclear proliferation to lots of unstable countries with lots of crazies vying for power and control, in short, a very much more dangerous world.
Obama is a disaster.
I'm hoping/assuming the comment was made in jest because you've got it precisely backwards.
@StolenFuture: What do you know that Ex-Deputy Director of the CIA Mike Morrell does not? Mike Morrell (who might know something about this topic) said recently on the Charlie Rose show that limiting Iran's centrifuges to 5000 pretty much limits them to a weapons program. Iran would need many MANY more centrifuges for a power power program.
I wouldn't go as far as saying that it would outweigh the rest of the BS he has done.
Allowing the Iranian nukes is crazy. They support terrorist groups which are hostile to America. I'm not a fan of giving such destructive weapons to those opposed to us (assuming you live in the States). The policy is flawed and weakens the US.
you are watching way to much MSM..........call me when you have shit urself out of the Matrix.
This is just a shill. Fact: the only state to have been given nukes by the US is Israel who are not signed up to non proliferation. Every other nation has had to PAY for US nukes and associated tech. As for the US having a policy that allows or facilitates such tech to Iran, what utter shite. Get a brain numbnut.
What about the flawed plans given to Iran by CIA where Iran found the flaws and sussed undiscovered techonlogy out of the rest of the plans? Was that against policy?
The US did not give Isreal nuclear weapons. The US did have a close collaboration with the United Kingdon on nuclear weapons, but not Isreal. In fact, it is not certain Isreal has nuclear weapons. It may all be a bluff.
indeed
Ah, the Vanunu Gambit.
The MSM is for the nuke deal. They are for anything and everything Obama wants to do.
listen, The RAND Corp (a war dept/MIC think tank) says that Iran is acting in a defensive posture based on the Israeli/US offensive posture......
so call me when you get done sucking Sean hannitys dick..
http://landdestroyer.blogspot.com/2015/03/global-threat-us-policymakers-...
Ever wonder why they "are hostile to America"?
Ever wonder why they "are hostile to America"?
Who cares!
This is where I live and I don't want them to have weapons to be hostile to Americans or America.
Has America done wrong? Yes, and every other country in the world too.
It doesn't justify the wrong but gulit is equally shared.
Do you give weapons to someone who is hostile to you? No. That is stupid.
Has America done wrong? Yes, and every other country in the world too.
Don't try to equate what the rest of the world has done to what USA has done. USA is far worse than anyone. The USA NEEDS to be destroyed in its present form whereas most of the rest of the world needs much smaller changes.
Yeah, North Korea needs just a little change. Saudi too. Iran, Iraq, Yemen are just about right.
TungstenBars, if you are a US citizen be careful what you ask for. It will show up at your door step.
If you are not a US citizen, go fuck your third world country and the donkey you ride. Opps, your mother did that already.
What? Not enough dead Iraqi women and children for you since 2003?
You growing Israeli boys and girls have a great appetite to see your enemies dead, no matter how young.
Did you develop that taste fot blood after the holocaust or have you had it since you killed your brother Abel?
think about it
What's double stupid is making them hostile to you in the first place. Does 1948 ring a bell?
Unless you have a time machine, nothing can be done about 1948.
The sins of the fathers are paid by their sons.
So to make amends you give nukes to people hostile to you?
That evens the playing field. Makes things right.
Exactly how would we be 'giving' nukes to Iran?
Pakistan is about 1000 miles further east than Iran. Pakistan is a Muslim nation. Pakistan is swimming in nuclear weapons.
But Pakistan is NOT swimming in crude oil.
Why should Israel care about Pakistan with all her nuclear weapons if she has no oil, when Israel can wail about Iran who has no nuclear weapons yet, but is very rich in the possession of crude?
I can see that the bullshit of your fathers was visited upon you.
good post. It's funny how the neocons always attack countries on the false premisesbthat they have WMD, but just happen to have a wealth of oil. Yet, the countries with the most destructive WMD and crazy Islamic leadership are ignored.
"I AM MORE EQUAL" HAS EITHER GONE FULL RETARD OR IS A PAID SHILL FOR THE NEOCONS... OR BOTH
Probably one of those Israeli high school students Netanyahu hired to spread the kosher word online.
At some point, the United States will come to terms with the fact that it isn't the world's enforcer anymore and no longer (never had!) the right to tell other countries what they can and cannot do (any more than the USSR could tell the US not to pursue a program of nuclear military build-up).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LXUF4HYQe8
Should've thought about these consequences before you let the Genie out of the bottle...
Fuck yeah!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MGQaH3-LK54
Iran did not weaken us .. nor Russia . nor anyone else but our own lunatic leaders of the last 4 decades or more. Weaken the US .. we did that all by ourselves . from within . through corrupton.. greed.. empire building . regime change and an arrogance not seen since Napoleon.
We fought some folk's freedom
so
That eliminates ISIL which was incorporated by America in Delaware.
"Allowing"? Who the fuck is the USA to "allow" anyone anything?
I might "allow" my neighbor to fuck his wife tonight... or buy a car.
I can beat this shit out of my neighbor, have more money than him, etc. Thus it is my right to "allow" him to do shit.
Shall we see what the agreement says first? I suspect Obomber is legacy molding - CUBA, IRAN, etc. Based upon what Obomber has done over the past 6+ years, I expect the agreement to suck. Once other realize Obomber's motives, lots of deals will get done. Let's see.
At first I was like yeah! but then I was like ah dammit. There is no excusing or making acceptable his flawed policies short of him utterly reversing course and undoing all the damage wrought.
Side thought: If Obama is really acting on his own here and disregarding orders from above then there will be hell to pay and if this scenario is anything like all the rest, it will be us doing the paying.
Getting ONE thing right won't make up for all the damage he's done to the US. Not even close.
My guess is that war against Iran and Syria is likely being temporarily postponed like the conflict in the Ukraine rather than being avoided. Minsk II has given Porko and Rats the time (and IMF resources to survive contrary to the charter) to rearm with American and Nato assistance for the upcoming battles to crush the independance movement in the East and perhaps retake Crimea.
Once Russia and Europe are fully engaged this summer Syria and Iran will be indefensible and ripe for the picking.
In any event it is still a more competent plan than the NeoCon effort to start multiple wars on multiple fronts simultaneously...
One thing I've learned is that the US does things like that once it has no other choice. There is no more profit to be made from this situation because militarily the US is stretched very thin. It would be impossible to go up against a well-armed foe with a world-class army like Iran.
Iran has a 'world-class' Army?
Though I have to admit they made short work of that plywood aircraft carrier.
The French made short work of an iron one.
What's up with our Franco cousins?
Withholding Carrier delivery from the Russians, Harder line with Persian nukes?
The Hands Up, Don't Shoot meme suddenly doesn't play well there at all .
Must be Algerian influence of some sort.
Not to worry, Arnold. The first carrier is but 4 months late and Putin doesn't need it for any putschs or coups right away. Hollande is grateful for opportunity to look firm.
As for the Iran nuke deal, Iran was never going to cave on the US ultimatum. This isn't about nuclear weapons; it's about who Iran's crude oil really belongs to.
Hint: Their offices are in a five sided building.
That was the thinking on Iraq too. And it didn't take much to crush Saddam and his huge army that ran like little girls after only 50 days of intense bombing by B52s etc. And didn't Saddam cry like a little girl when he was found hiding in his hole?
And what about that 7 day war thing? All the Arab countries and their mighty armies crushed by the Isreal forces, many of whom were WOMEN? But what hot, tough women those Isrealies are? Arab men hide behind their women and children the former being covered in bukkas. When you reject science and embrace irrational Islam, not only don't you have atomic bombs, but you get your hairy ass kicked back to the medieval period where you belong.
Survival of the fittest always works, even if you don't believe in evolution, like all Moslems apparently. But for some reason E= m*c^2 appeals to them, though they could never figure it out for themselves. Good luck with that 70 virgin thing losers!
So if Iran can produces nukes in ten years your good with that?
Would you feel the same if you lived in Israel?
Being NPT signatory iran has full right to use nuclear tech for energy generation purpose . moreover israel had nukes since 80s . Wouldn't iranians or others will feel the same ? and msm itself reported iran is nowhere near in making a nuclear bomb . they gave their ambitions when iraq invasion took place . Although having a nuke will end israel leverage in middle east as they've to recognize dual state ( palestine) with pre 1967 UN borders .
Iran should be praised for their commitment to stopping climate change. I mean they could have spent all of the money they spent on their nuclear program and invested it in refineries and had plenty of cheap fuel with plenty of money left over for gender equality studies. Instead, because of their commitment to the UN and climate change initiatives, they have chosen to live with harsh financial hardships of international punishments for their nuclear energy pursuit. We should hail them as heroes. And the constant references to their occasional outbursts of hatred towards Jews and other non Islamic nations is simply a cultural thing...kind of like terets syndrome, and completely harmless. They are Muslim, a religion of peace, at least as long as you agree with them on just about everything, and we should be willing to compromise. I mean, we really don't have any values anyway, so who are we to suggest their values are wrong. The simple fact that they have very few divorces and virtually NO homosexuals tells me they enjoy a completely love filled and harmonious existence that we too should emulate.
Israel made its bed and now it's going to have to lay in it.
Today Obama said he might not use the the American veto in the UN to prevent a Palestinian State..
Still love him?
It's none of my business what Israel does in Israel.
I for one would prefer Iran does not develop nukes but I would simply take a MAD position on it if they do.
As for Israel, we are NOT Israel. You wanna protect Israel? YOU go protect Israel. That pretty much goes for any other country as well. I'd prefer our resources actually be used to defend OUR borders from people, organizations, countries that might try to actually attack us.
"...I will laud Obama for this major accomplishment..."
I'll go way further than that and say the thing I admire most about Obama (despite all his faults) is the fact that he isn't following the script on this issue and is trying to do something about Iran. I have no idea why. This is very un-Obama like - he's defying everyone in the D.C. cesspool, their handlers, the lobbyists, the monied interests, etc. - basically, all the psychopaths that really run the U.S.
This doesn't absolve him of all the other damage his office has done to the country, but I don't for a second believe he really has a say in most of that. He really doesn't have a say in anything about Iran, either - it's just odd that he's trying to do anything at all. Obama has absolutely nothing personal to gain by engaging Iran and everything to lose. TPTB have been on autopilot to an Iranian genocide for decades - it will happen - they have all ready decided. Out of all the things Obama did, THIS would have probably been the easiest for him to simply ignore and let happen.
I don't care if he's successful or not - for this one, single issue, Obama is being openly defiant against his masters. Futile or not, this delights me to no end.
don't you remember?
Does the expression "second largest reserves of oil on the planet" ring a bell?
If Obama wanted the oil, he would sit back and do nothing. TPTB will either ensure a war starts so they can take it by force, or they will engineer an Iranian Spring to to take over the country from within and install ANOTHER U.S. puppet regime.
Since Obama's efforts are towards the end of just treating Iran like a soverign nation instead of destroying it, he's working against TPTB's efforts, i.e., he's not going after their oil.
the 2 Iraq wars and the Iranian sanctions were about keeping their oil OFF the market.........now, they want that Iran oil flowing, they need that oil flowing the empire be damned they must save the american economy and low oil prices are the last tool in the monetary tool box.........it wont work, but its all they got.....jmho
I disagree. The two Iraq wars were about destroying Iraqi military capability and killing Iraqis because Israel was paranoid. The Syrian 'revolution' [cough] was about destroying Syrian military capability and killing Syrians because Israel was paranoid. The Iran war and genocide will be about destroying Iran's military capability and killing Iranians because Israel is paranoid. The Gulf states have a number of reasons regarding oil/gas, but also feared the Shia crescent armies. It fits nicely into their security plans to eliminate any threat of the Shia armies by keeping them busy with fake ISIS. Oil and gas are secondary reasons, powerful but not the sole reasons and not the primary reasons. Psychopaths on the periphery looking to fill their pockets with oil money are just not going to let a good war/ethnic cleansing go to waste.
I'm not sure how you figure Iran's oil fits into prices. The economies of the world are on their death-beds. Nobody needs to pump another drop of oil to keep prices down - nobody is buying any because there's no economic activity and nobody needs or wants the oil. It will take years to scale up Iran's oil produciton anyway. Iraq is only at about a quarter or third of their production. It would be a hell of a lot easier to pull fake ISIS out of Iraq if you wanted to flood the market with oil then it would be to take over Iran and develop fields there.
The Gulf States don't want Iran's oil to flow EVER and Israel doesn't want Iran's gas to get to the EU before they monopolize the market with thier Leviathan gas. Sorry, but I don't see anyone with the will or desire to take over Iran for it's oil. There's too many powers that want to make sure Iran never sells much.
"The hill all abound with the sound of hebrews". Before all you hebs get your shorts in a knot, the quote was by comedian Jerry Lewis on T.V when the "Sound of Music" won the Academy Award.
Go smoke some camel doo doo. Save some for Nutty Yahoo to have a toke. Milestones
I'll go way further than that and say the thing I admire most about Obama (despite all his faults) is the fact that he isn't following the script on this issue and is trying to do something about Iran.
I suspect Obama is only appearing to do something about Iran. I expect the negotiations will fail, we'll screw up sanctions a few more notches, a false flag will happen, and then it'll be 'bombs away'.
Using your logic, Neville Chamberlain was a fuckin' foreign policy genius. Right up until Shickelgruber attacked Poland. Give those ragheads an A-bomb, and they'll strap it to a 'martyr' headed for Israel (or maybe a big US city).
Fortunately you bring some real historical perspective as opposed to the garbage that passes as such today from our own administration. This country is being run by a bunch of cowards at best.
"Give those ragheads an A-bomb, and they'll strap it to a 'martyr' headed for Israel (or maybe a big US city)."
Kind of the plan I think. It may be their golden parachute to wipe out our/their debt. If the rich and powerful start moving out of any major city, time to go visit GrandMa.
By any logic, Iran is no Germany in regards to its ability to threaten England much less the US. We are team USA right? We have 50 (or is it 57) states right? So we all agree that Israel and England are not part of the US right?
Seriously, do you want the US to go out of its way to attack another country that is not attacking us so that we can prevent some future attack on another country? Is this some kind of future crime prevention by commit a crime now? WTF?
Had England not signed a bone head treaty with Poland, there would have been no war in the West. Hitler would have reunited the Germans in Gdansk with the rest of the country, and was even offering peaceful land trades to get it. Apparently some Polish Politico/Military higher ups were too stiff necked to listen to reason (backed by England, of course). When that failed, he signed up with Stalin to crush Poland.
Hitler's aspirations were to reunite the German people, get rid of the parastic elements of society, and to (apparently) take over Ukraine.
Obama's aspirations are to divide the American people, get rid of the most productive elements of society, and to (apparently) take over Ukraine.
Just more deal-cutting/back-stabbing among a Den of Thieves that cares naught but for its own perptuation, war being its source and sustenance:
http://www.wendymcelroy.com/articles/warfreem.html
War with Iran is a given. Revelation 17:11; Daniel 11:40-45
Oblahblah is only a marionette puppet anyway, just like all the others. After Wilson sold out, he had this to say:
“Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States —in the fields of commerce and manufacturing—are afraid of somebody. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they had better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.” - Woodrow Wilson
As true today as when those words were spoken.
You enjoy quoting the Bible.
Then consider this...
Hebrews 10:26-29 New International Version (NIV)
26 If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27 but only a fearful expectation of judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God. 28 Anyone who rejected the law of Moses died without mercy on the testimony of two or three witnesses. 29 How much more severely do you think someone deserves to be punished who has trampled the Son of God underfoot, who has treated as an unholy thing the blood of the covenant that sanctified them, and who has insulted the Spirit of grace?
Understand that with this truth...
Hebrews 6:4-6 New International Version (NIV)
4 It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened, who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, 5 who have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming age 6 and who have fallen[a] away, to be brought back to repentance. To their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and subjecting him to public disgrace.
I have deliberately sinned after receiving the gift. I am damned as a result.
Have you?
Oh I will get downarrows for this. But you need to know the truth.
Are you chosen?
For many are called but few are chosen.
Wide is the path to eternal destruction.
Narrow is the path to salvation and very few shall find it.
Are you chosen?
Tom, I've studied the Bible, preached, taught, and written on numerous Biblical subjects for approximately 5 decades. During that time, I've had many question whether they had commited the "unforgivable sin" of blaspheming against the Holy Spirit. This is what you are referring to. There are a few very good articles that I believe cover this issue very well at:
http://christiananswers.net/q-eden/unpardonablesin.html
And this as well:
https://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.aspx?category=11&article=1218
I would advise you to take the time to read them slowly, carefully and prayerfully.
Just the fact that you are concerned, and apparently remorseful about what you have done, and seeking forgiveness is a pretty good indicator that you are probably judging yourself too harshly.
After you have taken the time to contemplate what is covered in the referenced articles, feel free to contact me on this or another thread that is current at that time, to answer any other questions or concerns you may have.
I will be praying for you.
Even since I am not chosen I will continue to preach the word...SO THAT OTHERS MAY AVOID MY FATE.
I am not in it for the reward. After all it is not about me.
I do not expect it. I certainly do not deserve it.
The Holy Spirit guides you well in your discernment.
The most important question you are indirectly answering is:
"Who are the chosen?"
And it ain't Israel.
They are those who are called according to His promise, no matter what they used to be, Jew, Gentile, whatever.
Therefore, endless war on behalf of "the Chosen" is not going to do any nation one damned bit of good. I'd say, the opposite. But if there are young, strong Christian men who are willing to head to the ME to fight and lay down their lives to save the lives of the Copts, and other Christians being slaughtered and raped by ISIS, I'd imagine that Jesus would honor a soldier who had "no greater love than to lay down his life for his friend."
"Who are the chosen?"
And it ain't Israel.
They are those who are called according to His promise, no matter what they used to be, Jew, Gentile, whatever."
Absolutely correct! Galatians 3 makes that perfectly clear. There is blood on the hands of every "christian" that supports this modern day, fake, impostor "israel" that was bought by Walter Rothschild from the British through the Balfour declaration.
"In her was found the blood of prophets and of God's holy people, of all who have been slaughtered on the earth." - Revelation 18:24
Sounds like maybe Woodrow was wise about Rome, as a few other presidents were. Few realize that our Constitution and our liberties are of protestant origin, and protestantism in America is dead.
“I see a very dark cloud on America’s horizon, and that dark cloud is coming from Rome.’’ - Abraham Lincoln
"I have long been decided in opinion that a free government and the Roman Catholick religion can never exist together in any nation or Country." "Liberty and Popery cannot live together." - John Adams, 2nd President of the United States
The pope, a Jesuit, speaks to a joint session of Congress in September - very ominous. Thomas Jefferson would know America had truly lost her way:
"I do not like the late Resurrection of the Jesuits. They have a General, now in Russia, in correspondence with jesuits in the U.S. who are more numerous than everybody knows. Shall We not have Swarms of them here? In as many shapes and disguises as ever.... In the shape of printers, Editors, Writers, School masters, etc. If ever any Congregation of men could merit, eternal Perdition on Earth and in Hell... it is this Company of Loyola." - Thomas Jefferson, 2nd President of the United States
The oldest Catholic publication in America boasts that the Catholic takeover of the United States is almost complete:
https://www.commonwealmagazine.org/blog/catholic-takeover-us-almost-comp...
Pope "Gregory XVI, in Mirari Vos of August 1832, described liberty of conscience as a mad opinion. Religious liberty was said to flow from 'the most fetid fount of indifferentism.' He condemn freedoms of worship, the press, assembly and education as a filthy sewer full of 'heritical vomit.'" - Vicars of Christ - The Dark Side of the Papacy by former Jesuit author Peter De Rosa.
It's no mystery why our liberties are very rapidly disappearing.
really?
War against Iran can be avoided IF WE AVOID IT.
Israel & Saudi Arabia. So you're saying the American dog is wagged by TWO TAILS.
That's one for a freak show.
Obama for attempting to reach a resolution over Iran's nuclear program
Wow, you believe they're truly striving for that?
Shouldn't you've learned better after reading ZH for years...
regarding Iran, if it wasn’t for the 1953 Coup d’état that overthrew Mosaddegh ,orchestrated by Kermit Roosevelt, Jr of the CIA as well as British intelligence there would never have been a Shah nor a Khomeini ,instead Iran would probably be a lot like modern day Turkey
In converse to your statement if Turkey had a lot of oil, then it would be a modern day Iraq, invaded, occupied.
Lincoln, Wilson, Roosevelt and Truman did more damage than anyone since. They set the whole thing in motion and Truman allowed the raping of the taxpayers and the rise of the banksters with the Marshall plan.
The worst presidents are the ones worshipped the most by the commie profs in the Ivy League (and their fellow wannabes) humanities departments.
They've all been figureheads approved by the C.I.A. after J.F.K.
Jimmy Carter's heart was in the right place, which means he was in the wrong place his whole Presidency.
Who is President won't matter until we have a President who is an amalgamation of an Andrew Jackson and a Dwight Eisenhower - who tells the Banks and the Military Industrial Complex where to shove it. I don't see how that could ever happen in the current environment.
The next president will be the leader of a junta who graduated in the middle of his class at West Point.
You are absolutely correct. That person would never make it out of the primaries. You don't win the presidency by collecting $20 checks from regular rubes.
Bs jimmy was an idiot through and through. Trust me I lived through it unlike most here.
Whopee woo, you were alive in 1976. I was 40 at the time. there is only one idiot in this conversation. Sonny, don't look around to see who it is. What president allowed the Irianian crisis to exist?? Quick about it, Mr. smartty pants. Milestones
That would be awesome, ebworthen, a President who is a blend of Jackson & Ike.
But in the current environment, I fear a candidate like that would be likely to have a bullet or two inserted in his head if he had any real chance of winning.
It's not even close and jimmer was horrible.
Look at this chart and LMK if you stand by your Carter statement...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_public_debt#/...
Obama has failed
The worst President ever
Jimmy Carter smiles!
Carter was just inept. Obummer is intentionally and actively out to harm the nation.
I used to think that way too, however it's not that easy to evaluate what's really going on. Ike warned us about the military industrial complex and corruption, that post WWII, the United States for the first time had a constant and very powerful lobby to perrpetuate war. Due to corruption, that lobby was a smashing success, refedining wars into many different terms such as "police actions" and keeping us at war spending levels for the better part of a century. This has murdered millions of people and utterly destroyed our economy, saddling us with a mountain of debt that cannot be repaid. The United States has been involved in at least one war every year since WWII except for five peacetime years: 1976-1978, 1997, and the year 2000. That’s 75 years of war in the last 80 years, and that’s a big tab to pay.
I will call your attention to the fact that 60% of that peacetime period, the only three year stretch since WWII was under Jimmy Carter. The reason you think Jimmy Carter was the worst president, worse than Woodrow Wilson who established the Fed and the Federal Income tax, worse than that elitist commie symp FDR who built the federal collossus, is mere ignorance.
The presidents are playing the part given to them, and at this late stage in the game, they are mere puppets with almost no free will. The similarities between the Bush and Obama administration should have made that clear to all but the dullest among us.
Hold on there....the worst president in the US was without question George "W" Bush. There has been no one before and no one since that has completely destroyed the economic system of the world in such a short period of time. He left us with trillions in debt, destroyed our international reputation for things like torture and economic abuse and destroyed the international banking system. Not only that but he turned our economy into a "Corporate/Banking Socialistic Government" where trillions were handed out to our big banks, corporations, and international friends (those very people that went on a gambling binge) ....and not given to the masses of people that lost their incomes and livelyhood. He destroyed the middle class in order to pay for the risk taking by the Banking system....his good buddies. HOW CAN WE FORGET THIS TRAVESTY when it just occured recently. Then he handed this huge bag of shit to the democrats...and then the Republicans stonewalled any changes to the very banking system that destroyed the world. Don't blame the Obama administration when we all remember exctly what happened under the suicidle 8 year watch of George "W" "The decider" Bush.
You make it sound like Obama WANTED to change the banking system that destroyed the world, but he was stopped by the Republicans. So why did Obama pick Tim Geithner as his first Treasury Secretary?
That's the act of a President who is either happy with the status quo, or who wants to be a puppet to the banksters. Or both.
No, the next one is...
And the one after that... if there is one... will be worse still
WHO BUSH NO 3 , RANDI PAUL OR HITLERY CUNT-ON ?
In my lifetime, they're all the worst President ever.
If you're a jew... Obama is the BEST President ever...
<--- patiently waiting for the concise 'dissent' position to my postulation ~ whereby, you EXPLAIN to me how JEWS have suffered during the Obama Presidency]
[Calling all Jews here to explain to me how you've suffered during the Obama presidency]...
Oh ~ & while you're at it... Can y'all EXPLAIN to me how this comment was GREETED with [6 RED ARROWS] within 2 minutes & 45 seconds of posting... Do y'all REALLY get paid that many sheckels?... Or does one limp dick just get paid 4 writing the algo code?... Which means to say ~ You're getting 'JEWED' on your compensation...
I'd complain!
Bush hands down. Obama had to clean up his mess ... an impossible job.
Are you tupid Obama makes Bush look like Reagan but you are right Bush sucked to but on michells dick
LOL ~ Let me attempt to mitigate this...
It's difficult to imagine that ANYONE... EVER... could suck worse than Bush...
But fuck me... Obama took on the challenge & prolly exceeded the mandate.
But Obama never gets elected if not for the Bush catastrophe. Bush has to be the worst because without him there is no Obama presidency.
That said they all suck and the electoral circus is bullshit to cover predetermined outcomes.
In other words it's all fucked.
Yeah... It's all fucked...
Hegelian Dialectic...
Obama's last 2 years will MOST CERTAINLY be peppered with a smattering of FUCK UPS [2 make the new @sshole look like a savior]...
Jesus titty fucking christ, you are stupid.
Lincoln was worst, this disaster we have today really took off with him.
I actually had this discussion today because I happened to be talking 2 person I know about Appotomatox [how weird is that]?]......
Short thesis:
- No surrender
- No CARPETBAGGERS
I can't see that I'd be any worse off...
I used to think Bush was the worst ever; no one could be worse. Later, there were times when I wished he would return.
You're not paying attention. Obama took many of Bush's policies and double downed on them. We have more cracking down on whistle blowers with less transparency and more spying on everything. Under Obama, the US has been bombing other countries left and right. Gitmo is still open. The TBTF banks have gotten even bigger under Obama's watch. If you didn't like Bush, you should hate Obama.
BS ! This is how you recognize a "democrat" talking line in 99 % of cases: our guy has his problems, but the guy from the R team was a complete moron. Same algo when it comes to "republican" talking lines. Well, I'm not afilliated to any party and I couldn't care less of what label a politician decides to stick onto his hat but in this particular case I must say that, compared to Obama, Bush looks like Einstein in a good day ! Just a quick tour of their foreign policy "accomplishments" would be enough for a "no contest" decision...
Disappointment, your name is Obama
I guess we can say the US is divided by Zero!
Only if the market crashes before he departs. We are talking about a massive correction though.
Worst CEO. This Criminal is President in name only. CEO of the Criminal Fraud UNITED STATES, CORP. INC.