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The Best Place To Live In The United States? Here Are 9 Maps To Consider
Submitted by Michael Snyder via The End of The American Dream blog,
If you could live anywhere in America during the tumultuous years ahead, where would it be? This is a topic that is hotly debated, and the truth is that there is not a single right answer. If you have a very strong family support system where you are, it might not be right to try to move 2000 miles away and start a new life from scratch. And for many Americans, moving is out of the question in the short-term because they are completely and totally dependent on employment in their local areas. But in recent years we have seen an increasing number of Americans strategically relocate to another region of the country. They can see our society breaking down and they can see the storm clouds on the horizon and they want to do what they can to prepare themselves and their families for what is ahead. So is there a “best place to live” in the United States? Are there some areas that are preferable to others? The following are 9 maps to consider…
#1 Population Density
When the U.S. economy crashes and civil unrest starts erupting in our cities, ideally you will want to be living in an area with low population density. In other words, the fewer people around the better. The map below represents population density with a series of yellow dots. As you can see, the west coast and the eastern half of the nation are generally very crowded. So if you are looking for an area with lots of “breathing room”, the area between the Mississippi River and the west coast is a good place to look.
#2 Average Precipitation
Unfortunately, the western half of the nation is also generally very dry. So if you are planning to grow your own food during a time of economic and social turmoil, that is something to keep in mind. There are a few areas between the Mississippi River and the west coast that do get plenty of rainfall (northern Idaho for example), but those areas are few and far between.
#3 Drought
The latest national map from the U.S. Drought Monitor is the next map that I have shared. The multi-year drought in the state of California is already the worst drought in the recorded history of the state, and many scientists believe that it could stretch on for many more years. But it isn’t just California that has been suffering. There are other areas in the Southwest that are starting to resemble the Dust Bowl days as well. So obviously these areas are not ideal if you plan to be self-sufficient and grow much of your own food during a time of great crisis.
#4 Average Snowfall
If you don’t like cold and snow, you will want to avoid the colored areas on this next map. And if you do plan to live in an area that gets plenty of cold and snow, you will want to have a solid plan for heating your home if the electrical grid goes down and is not available for an extended period of time.
#5 Average Homicides
In the years ahead, crime in the United States is likely to rise dramatically. If you are looking for somewhere safe, the areas that have relatively low crime rates right now will probably be better than areas that have relatively high crime rates right now. In general, rates of violent crime are higher in our major cities and in the Southeast.
#6 Taxes
For a lot of people, tax rates are extremely important when choosing a place to live. This next map shows the states where the state income tax rate is zero. But please keep in mind that there are other reasons why some of these states may be undesirable during an emergency situation.
#7 Nuclear Power Plants
We have all seen what a single nuclear power plant disaster can do in Japan. Well, in a future disaster scenario, we could potentially be facing multiple “Fukushimas” all at once here in the United States. The map below shows where nuclear reactors are located throughout America. You might want to think twice before moving in right next door to one.
#8 Tornadoes
A single giant tornado can absolutely shred the best laid plans of any family. There are some that feel completely and totally comfortable living right in the heart of “Tornado Alley”, and there are others that very much would like to avoid any area that is at high risk for tornadoes. As you can see from the map below, the highest risk areas are generally in the Southeast part of the nation.
Of course tornadoes are far from the only natural disaster to consider when choosing a place to live. For much more on all of this, check out these articles…
-“The New Madrid Earthquake That Will Divide The United States In Half”
-“East Coast Tsunami: If It Happens, MILLIONS Of Americans Could Die”
-“Why The Earthquake Near San Francisco Is Just The Start Of The Shaking In California”
-“Yellowstone Supervolcano Alert: The Most Dangerous Volcano In America Is Roaring To Life”
#9 Politics
For many Americans, moving to a politically-compatible area of the country is extremely important. The map below uses red and blue to represent the average margin of victory in recent presidential elections. The states that are very red voted very heavily for Republican candidates. The states that are very blue voted very heavily for Democratic candidates. The states that are purple were in the middle. But it is important to remember that there are areas within each state that tend to be more conservative or liberal than the state overall.
I noted more thoughts for each individual state in my previous article entitled “What Is The Best Place To Live In America? Pros And Cons For All 50 States“. But wherever you go, the truth is that no place is going to be perfect. The following is how Joel Skousen, the author of “Strategic Relocation: North American Guide to Safe Places“, put it in one of his recent articles…
The more rural you are, the higher the cost of building, maintaining equipment and commuting to civilization—and, the higher your expenses for services including utilities, alternate energy and internet connectivity. The more your priorities emphasize closeness to a community, the higher your risks will be during a social meltdown, and the more precise must be your preparations to bug out to a separate retreat. So, as you see, there are always compromises in life, no matter if you spend $50,000 on your property or millions, there is no perfect property that will meet all your criteria. Focus on what’s most important for you, your family and/or group.
That was very well said.
No matter what other people are doing, you have to make the choices that are right for you and your family.
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#10 - Place with the most overpasses
you know, just in case you need a roof over your head down the road
Like in Oklahoma
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lHBZylcxIvw
Actually, don't try this. The Venturi Effect of all that wind could very easily have suck everyone out to their deaths.
The state income tax map should be modified to allow for "shading" like politics. New Hampshire and Tennessee do NOT tax income per se. They DO tax income from dividends and interest. If you are poor like me.....and have neither of the two.....then those two states would be ok.....just from that standpoint. Mileage varies though.
Simon Black, aka Sovereign Man, has a rolling domicile, from Kingston, to Haiti, to Capetown, to Romania.
This is a piss poor analysis on which to base a move as presented.
Tornadoes? Is this guy serious? Please compare a tornado to a hurricane in terms of damage and get back to me.
Regards,
Cooter
When posed with the best place to live in the United States first thing that popped in my head is - anywhere outside the border...
Well, the one map is totally out of date. The Duke Power Nuke Plant in Crystal River has been cold for years and is now being dismantled.
Too bad they did not include "gun freedom" and "self defense" states on the maps as Florida make Texas look like pikers. We want everyone armed who is a lawful citizen. Hell, I want a Ma Deuce and that might just get legalized.
The book by Mayburry "What ever happened to justice?" is not only a great primer for any middle school age person who wants a firm logical grip on common/natural law, but it also ranks all the countries in the world based on conformity to the principles of common law. It is an appendix in the back. I would start here if you are serious about looking abroad.
Regards,
Cooter
NH Income tax rate is also zeop but its not listed.
F L O R I D A . Fcuk the rest a ya. I tried NYC, LA, So Cal, NO, Houston
Why I dont post on ZH much much is that if I want to respond to some total retard directly is that my response/post will show up 2 pages back, Buried. Hate that.
Idaho.
Ho, is the optimal parse of your inannity
WHERE'S THE MAP FOR GUN LAWS!?
DUHHHH!
Kentucky wins hands down to be most friendly towards Guns.
Not really. Kentucky is pretty decent on guns but there are plenty of states that are arguably better.
You've got a much longer list of prohibited places than NH and the barrier for a concealed carry permit is a bit higher. KY seems like a pretty typical fairly pro-gun state. With more states adding permitless concealed carry all the time, I'd say you are probably only in the top ~10.
Some of ya'll might be surprised about this....but the friendliest gun state is Vermont. I wouldn't live there because everything else (taxes, politics, etc) is in many ways abhorrent to liberty.....but yes unless things have changed recently, Vermont is SUPER gun friendly (e.g. no 'permission' required for concealed carry, etc).
another idea is to get a sail boat and live on that until things die down (literally)
I think Az or Florida might be better on gun rights
Asheville NC is the optimal place is you like guns, hate snow, hate dense populations, love mountain air and seeing the Milky Way on occasion. Nice cost of living and not far from just about anywhere in Eastern US. No tornadoes or hurricans of any impact.
Contrast that with New York and you wonder why it has so many damned people...but whatever it is hope they stay there and the hell away from the South.
My aim is to permanently move to the state of inebriation. I won't have to worry about politics, taxes, gun laws, etc. Right now, I just visit from time to time but someday, it will be a permanent move.
huh?... Idaho?...
bunch-o-rino inbreds...
running the table on their own red-brain lemming electorate... insidious...
there is no grass-is-greener anywhere, anymore...
deal with it.
Also no general sales tax in NH too as opposed to many of the other states given a pass on organized theft on that list...
My brother-in-law lives in NH in a quaint little town.
He ran a garage sale a couple of years back, and had the audacity to not apply and purchase a permit. Shortly after commencing said sale, a blue hero showed up and demanded said permit.MY BIL nearly got his ass kicked and went to jail for arguing with the cop about the whole live free or die thing. Also, he pays ~$10k per year in property taxes on a 1400 sq ft home built in 1920. My property tax on 7 acres and 1400 sq ft home in NC: $680.
So yeah, you have no income/sales tax, but they still stick it to you. I would venture to say that the overall tax load is similar in every state. If then can't get it from one pocket, they take it from another.
My ultimate measure of liberty is Consitutional Carry. Maybe 3 states allow that? Ak, VT, and AZ? The rest require varying levels of permission for a man to defend himself and his family.
There is no real liberty left in this country and believing so is a dangerous illusion.
Let me get ready for the 'safety checkpoint' and mandatory blood test if a blue hero decides I need one -- my permission not required. And god forbid I should decide to grow the wrong plant. Murderjuana hurts the children, you understand?
NM has constitutional carry, so long as it isn't concealed. If you want concealed, you have to get a permit, but carrying concealed in most places without a permit is a petty misdemeanor. The big one is carrying into places that sell alcohol if it's not concealed and you don't have a permit. This includes grocery stores. This violates the NM constitution in ways that couldn't even be covered by strict scrutiny, but it's not going to go away.
But, walking down the street with a gun on your hip is considered such a strong right here that if you merely get detained and the only reason is that you're carrying, the cop does not have qualified immunity.
Yep,
That nuclear power map is pure BS.
There are only two plants in Ohio. The other two were constructed but not operated or built as a pilot back in the 60's.
I have been chewing this fat since about 2010. I actually did quite a bit of research on the subject before chosing Alaska. I am pretty close to pulling the trigger on New Zealand, which I still think is the best off shore home for a working class joe with marketable job skills.
Realize that if this crap in Europe goes hot, there are a lot of places abroad that can very quickly become bloody hell holes.
Or, as Bill Joy was famous for saying, "One is successful driving a car by looking through the windshield". His point is most people look backwards and extrapolate forward rather than looking at what is in front of them.
Regards,
Cooter
Australia & NZ are inherently vulnerable to China's problems, 'scro.
True, but the article is implying a situation of societal/economic collapse (First paragraph states "They can see our society breaking down and they can see the storm clouds on the horizon and they want to do what they can to prepare themselves and their families for what is ahead." )
Even if all borders were shut down - or harsh tariffs universally enacted, we will still get by because at least we can still:
- Feed ourselves (large producer of grains, vegetables, sugar, sheep, cattle)
- Producing for ourselves is possible (why the hell we aren't value adding to the iron ore and producing steel for export right now is beyond me.. we do however produce aluminium, shitloads of copper wiring and other sundries, plastics, components etc) Re the vehicle issue I don't think every one of the Holden/Ford/Toyota plants will be fully dismantled - the gov (or someone with foresite) will end up keeping the tooling because having at least one vehicle manufacturing plant is essential.
- We have fuel. Shitloads of it. I'm talking LPG! Cars run on it no worries. Ovens and BBQ's run on gas no worries. And gas is fine for heating.
Sure politically the place is becoming a fucking cesspool but that'll change quicksmart when things fall apart.
Cheers
Now just add map #10
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- The Zombie Apocalypse model they ran thats running currently as the top article - andddd now you have no place to really live safely/efficiently.
perfect.
Meant to say I came close to pulling the trigger, but buckling in for a crash now.
NZ will stay fed, which is better than many will pan out.
EDIT: Since I didn't get a comment from my edit (via my BB), I am perplexed because I SWORE i wrote came instead of am in my original comment. I hate doing forum stuff on a phone - total PITA.
Anyway, taxes are the first wall to hit everyone. Countries with high debt are going to take it on the chin in taxes. Countries with low debt will ride much smoother.
Demographics are the next big ticket item; lots of old people means lots of problems and lots of young people means not a lot of problems. Immigrate and bring your P's with you.
Actual productivity is also really important. I mean, only a few places can be banking leach centers; everyone else has to work for a living. Look at the salt-of-the-earth stuff like farming, ranching, agriculture. Climate is a big one for this, particularly long term climate patterns (i.e. not California).
Manufacturing is nice, but a modern life can be had for good rain (hydro and low population), wood, wool, cotton, feathers, and leather. All of that was supplanted by oil (petro-chem plastics, etc), but it doesn't mean with some good craftsmen you can't roll back a bit.
Most of the shit we consume today isn't essential. Learn to look at everything you touch in a day and prioritize it. What is is made of and what does it take to get the job done (i.e. assume fungible materials).
Regards,
Cooter
Haha yeah those bastard zombies. What ever can one do! Though the thought occures that without water (those fuckers are still flesh after all) lets see them reach here or here without losing all body fluids resulting in their brains turning into a dry husk.
No need to do the usual bullet through the brain let nature do the work for you since the nearest town is around 400 miles away. The accomodation wouldn't exactly 5 star but hey with a slash of paint it'll be all roses.
I'm sure I'm onto something big here.
The Ozarks in Missouri wins hands down. With ONLY 2% of the water supply on this planet being drinkable. The St.Francios aquifer holds the very best water in the WORLD. I personally own 2 wells.
Plus ~ You can find "Jim Dandy to the Rescue" on every jukebox.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lF9F5DmRn0I
Along with that great aquifer, you have the pleasure of having the highest lead contamination in the US thanks to Doe Run.
Enjoy your birth defects.
Shh..... don't tell them.
We are fine right here in MO.
Besides, we may have beach-front property!
-“The New Madrid Earthquake That Will Divide The United States In Half”
I lived in tornado alley for nearly 40 years and only saw one, maybe two, funnel clouds the whole time. Never saw a tornado on the ground. Saw their path through corn and bean fields, but rarely any major damage.
me too. I don't think tonadoes are one of the biggest threats
But one does not simply post census records showing concentrations of Bantus and Aztecs and call it a day. Not in the USSA. I've heard it's still PC if you call them 'zombies', however.
Simon's rolling domicile probably allows him to legally avoid paying income tax in ALL the countries in which he has legal residence or citizenship.
Given that he has not given up his own USC (US Citizenship), and therefore must file taxes with the IRS, I'd be curious to see what accounting & tax games he is able to play, to avoid paying taxes. Having an offshore LLC is probably key. But I'm sure he doesn't pay a dime of income tax or dividend tax, only some very nominal property taxes in Chile.
After a three-year holiday on taxing foreign-source income, Chile applies tax to all income personally received, worldwide. That indeed sounds harsh for the ordinary working Jose, but any Simon worth his salt will retain his earnings in one or more controlled structures, which I have heard works in the Chilean tax system, and many others.
A man's just got to know his limitations.
Kirk....such bullshit pro statist ideas you have. There are millions of people that have seceded from the state controllers and file no papers with the state lords. You say, "... Therefor MUST file taxes withthe IRS..." No, there is no must. As a statist, you believe you must so you keep financing those that control you. How's that working out?
Secede or die.
While NH does not have income taxes they more than make up for it in property taxes.
As an acute adrenaline junkie...where do I sign up?
They left out the map of New Zealand.
3 words
Wy Om Ing
#1 should be the percentage of the local population dependent on government payments (welfare, soscial security, unemployment payments, etc.) for their survival. Or just go with EBT cards per capita.
This will be the #1 factor in determining the tonnage of shit hitting the fan in an area.
I'm going to go out on a limb and also say % of English as a second language will be an area to avoid.
What's worng with Nuke plants? You want juice or no?
i've always wanted to try 3 eyed fish marinated with BP Gulf water
Iwent to the gulf a few times afte rthe "did you plug the hole yet daddy?" incident. Had scrimps, softshell crabs, catfish, and redfish. Dilution is the solution to pollution.
Do you eat riverside when you go to China?
There is only so much solution available for dilution.
"Dilution is the solution to pollution."
Looks like the Bizarro Sherlock Holmes is now making his appearance.
What is your excuse reprobate?
Dude, your first post was literally +/- the same thing (i.e. net zero).
Kind of impressive.
We need more trolls like that; the all green and all red ones are boring.
You hear that? You troll accounts, see if you can figure out how to pull THAT off with your sarcasm, wit, charm, and deviousness.
Regards,
Cooter
That nuke plant map seems old. The two plants in Northern California(Rancho Seco 1989 in Sacramento and Humboldt Bay 1976)are totally shut down as in totally cold and very low to zero danger.
Indeed. A good number of those Midwestern plants have been decommissioned over the past 20 years, many of which around the Great Lakes have even removed spent fuel rods.
...but Joel Skousen doesn't sell nearly as many copies of Strategic Relocation with up-to-date stats.
Skousen also is a religious nutjob. You have to consider that factor in any of his analysis.
ya, pretty sure the one due west of me in crystal river, FL is shut down now too. Which is good, since a lot of my family prett close to there too
San Onofre nuclear plant halfway between San Diego and LA is shut down and going cold fast.
When did they start off loading the Fuel Rods?
In fact San Onofre is probably still one of the most dangerous plants in the country due to the excessive temperatures and pressures that blew out the seals in the coolant pipe connections, and fractured some of the coolant pipes, during the September 6, 2011 Power Grid down event.
It was operating at maximum capacity during that time as Power Demand was extreme due to a heat wave. When the switch was inadvertently thrown by an Arizona Public Service employee some 300 miles away...Well that took out the Southwest Power Grid.
And San Onofre could not power down fast enough. Nobody expected that catastrophic failure.
Of course this was, and continues to be, covered up by the NRC (due to the bad reports being received out of Fukushima) It would have sent shockwaves of anti nuke sentiment throughout the nation.
It is the Nuke Plant accident that will not ever be exposed by our controlled media. It almost took out San Diego County. We were moments away from a Fukushima style event right here...WHERE I LIVE.
But "The Reader", here in San Diego, exposed some of the story, and gave enough information to put together as to what actually happened.
San Onofre never went back online after that event, and I told another fine contributor (who also is here) that it would not...over on another forum which we share.
(Of course that event had absolutely nothing to do with it....nothing to do with it...at all. It was all just...just...just a "coincidence".)
But I guess that he was not privy to the same information that I had at the time.
So with that...Just where are you at ConanTheLibertarian? Let's continue our debate that we started over on the Kitco Forums many years ago.
Shit I ought to do a Kitco search for that debate.
Public Relations and image is much more important to the NRC, as the Power Companies OWN THEM, rather than safe Nuke Plant Operations. It is just as bad as with the with the FTC overseeing the Financial Markets. The large banks OWN the FTC.
Really. Just what do you expect from your Government? The truth?.
Fuel rods probably removed from reactor and inside containment storage
into storage casks outside at the power station site.
Cooled?
These High yield reactors are more economical but are more dependent upon existing infrastructure being intact.
Then Tyler answers this by posting a Fukushima thread?
Wow.
"That nuke plant map seems old. The two plants in Northern California(Rancho Seco 1989 in Sacramento and Humboldt Bay 1976)are totally shut down as in totally cold and very low to zero danger."
Those shutdown plants still have a huge risk: The spent fuel pools. I don't believe there is plant that has ever been fully decommissioned with the removal of the spent fuel Pool. Three Mile Island still has its spent fuel pools and still require cooling 365 days a year. If the spent fuel pools loose power for a extended period, the water will boil off and the rods will catch fire. A decommissioned plant will still need TLC a very long time.
Over the next ten years most of the nuclear plants in the U.S. will move from wet storage to dry casks. These are air cooled and not so scary. They are just right for loading on a big truck and hauling away.
I’ve heard of this now electic power generation plan where they let people who are on wellfair run in a giant wheel to get them in condition again while creating cheap GREEN energy.
so... get ready for a energy price drop of 90% or more...
Like this?
https://youtu.be/z5KYZ74OAak?t=89
Regards,
Cooter
HAHA! Great Conan reference.
"He grew strong...." Yes he did.
By "wheel", do you mean the classic treadmill?
http://www.uh.edu/engines/tread.gif
http://images.rapgenius.com/c6689ff420f2b4c1abbc5eb3ec47cfd4.640x386x1.jpg
Iin the 1830's these connected to shafts that ran manufacturing & textile machinery.
Nowadays, we' d run them to generators & feed a power grid. If an 8.5 KW portable generator requires a 13hp engine, I bet a 25 position treadmill, with proper gear reduction, could easily match it.
Imagine a bigger treadmill in evey town.
Jail/prison = treadmill time. NO exceptions.
Can't pay the fine? Treadmill time.
banksters? Treadmill time.
When they work, GREAT! When the workers stop getting paid and so stop working, not so much.
What is missing from the nuke plant map is an overlay of prevailing winds.
West to east.
Problem lies not in the idea, but in the execution thereof. Perhaps there are safer methods than the current one?
Perhaps the most dangerous idea in the history of humankind is that they way things are currently done, is the best way they can be done. This is, of course the MO of Gummint.
The thought of a tidal wave hitting the nuclear reactors in Nebraska is what's keeping me from moving there...
Just stop it...
You joke, of course, but an overflowing river (from melting snow, for example) near a reactor could get a bit dicey.
Yes, possibly. But my guess is that the reactor and control buildings are all above the 100 year flood plain, plus some.
As an intern in college (EE) as well as my first few years out I worked designing the triple redundant nuclear reactor control systems. I know how much thought and protection goes into the controls. The thought is probably put into the reactor and control building as well.
When a Russian nuke hits a nuclear plant does the two radiations cancel each other out ?
Who cares? You (and 200 other cities/reactors) were just hit by Russian nukes.
Yes, the two radiations does cancel each others out.
i was a rocket surgeon for six months and I can confirm this with documents and pie graphs.
As a Mechanical Engineer, including a semester class in Nuclear Engineering,
I worked five years as Seismic Qualification safety engineer for an Architect & Engineering company involved in Electric utility power station design, of which my job included evaluation of some nuclear reactor control systems designed by General Electric for their Boiling Water Reactors (BWR's), and I know how POORLY they were designed.
In fact, the entire Safety Systems of the GE BWR power stations were poorly designed for seismic and violent vibration shut-down events.
The engineering design analyses were almost always much too simplified to accurately determine the actual risk of design failure, and as Fukushima demonstrates, the actual failure risk is much greater than the engineers and the clueless management believes.
In my experience with the NRC, the NRC was staffed with idiots.
After five years, I was fired for essentially being a "whistle-blower" too concerned about safety, but this was many years ago, long before Fukushima.
And look at how many of those poorly designed reactors have blown up since you were inspecting them, warning people about their horrendous designs. Oh...
I was with a company who subcontracted to Bechtel - who was big in the nuclear reactor business. All of our triple redundant control and safety systems were heat, humidity, shock, age, and vibration tested. Individual boards and the entire systems.
Yeah, similar designs did so well at Fukushima ....
Not.
Triple redundant is worthless if they all fail at the same time for the same reason.
Common Failure Mode analysis.
Reminds me of my brother who bought three used riding lawn mowers of the same design, that all failed for the same reason.
Wow. That was stupid.
Meh...you make great points however, I think the smallest of considerations that bring us down. (Hive collapse, AIDS, Hep.X, water [or lackthereof]) that brings down humanity.
AIDS and Hep X are both prett easy to avoid by living a "normal" life...too many drugs or guy on guy(or lots and lots of questable women) seems to shorten many people's lives.
Fort Calhoun in Nebraska was built in an area that was supposed to withstand a 500 year flood, but in 2011 they still had to build a sandbag wall. The reactor was completely surrounded by water. I don't remember if they shut the reactor down, but I believe they did.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Calhoun_Nuclear_Generating_Station#/me...
According to "news" reports (Googled them) there were no problems due to this. Although that they even came close to a flooding problem is unacceptable. Worst case - they had plenty of time to do a controlled shutdown. Still no problems. The containment building is probably plenty high for any flood.
Was it at Fukushima where the "brilliant" engineers put the emergency diesel generators, required for emergency condition shut-down, below ground level, where they became flooded with water and uselessly inoperable?
They knowingly put the reactor in the path of tidal waves. Bad starting point.
So some think putting the reactor in the path of a tidal wave was a good start. LOL!
Yes, they shut the reactor down so there wouldn't have been a nuclear explosion like Fukushima. No, it wouldn't have helped much because you still have to constantly cool the fuel in the reactor when it's shut down. There's also twenty-some years of fuel bundles next to the reactor and outside in the spent fuel pool. Turn off the cooling to any of those and the clock starts ticking for boil-down, exposure and eventually bursting into flames and/or meltdown. Fifty miles downwind of surface winds would be uninhabitable. Anywhere downwind under the jet stream in the continential U.S. would be subject to radioactive rain washout. The Midwest... hmm, don't the grow that 'food' stuff somewhere around there?
They didn't use sandbags. They have a few crappy earthen berms and supplemented that with an aqua-barrier - a big inner-tube type thing filled with water. It was working great until some unfortunate guy backed into it with a forklift and tore it. Four more feet of a proper flood wall would have been great, except that costs money. Ft. Calhoun is part of a for-profit utility - it's not a charity.
The reactors have pretty awesome, well-thought-out safety systems. Which is great, until you have a situation with three or four or five different problems affect a variety of systems at the same time. The operators even practice on combinations of problems. What they can't model, predict or practice on is ALL the differnt combinaitons possible. Loss of off-site power and flooding happened simultaneously at Calhoun and they managed to handle that despite the lost barrier. If they would have lost a few back-up generators, then maybe not. If this happened in the middle of the winter and temps were freezing, maybe not. If this would have happened after a solar flare and the switching equipment in the plant was also damanged, then maybe not. If this happened during an ebola outbreak and they only had a quarter of the staff at the plant, then maybe not. If the spent-fuel pool was flooded with muddy river water, then maybe not. If the back-up generator's fuel got contaminated or leaked out and started a fire, maybe not.
Engineers are smart enough to make these things much more bullet-proof then they are. The accountants don't think you're worth it, though.
If an extended Power Grid failure happen, as due to a Solar Flare Event or an attack with an EMP, then the Nuke Plants will have to shut down as there is no place to dump the energy.
But heat from the rods in the core is still generated and without anywhere to bleed it off, the heat accumulates
But they have Diesel generattors to recycle coolant back into the core and that allows for excess heat to be exchanged, by radiators, to the open air. As long as those generators are operating then there is no chance of a meltdown.
But therein lies the problem.
A Nuke plant has enough Diesel to run those generators for three days. That is all that is required by NRC rules.
In a Power Grid down scenario there will be a lack of deliverable refined diesel to run those generators. In fact the refineries will be offline...due to lack of electrical power.
It will take about ten days for the meltdowns to happen. But they will happen.
now thats a frightening reality.
Old nuclear reactor systems were originally designed with using simple electrical control systems, such as mechanical relay electrical switches, perhaps automatic in some cases, in some cases manually controlled by reactor operators, but not with microprocessor computer controls.
If there was an EMP event, the old simple electrical systems might work, but newer microprocessor controlled systems would probably be destroyed.
Similar logic for many industrial systems, refineries, water treatment, etcetera.
Similar logic for old cars, versus new microprocessor computer controlled cars.
"Old nuclear reactor systems were originally designed with using simple electrical control systems, such as mechanical relay electrical switches, perhaps automatic in some cases, in some cases manually controlled by reactor operators, but not with microprocessor computer controls."
Except for the gas stations that the Nuke Plant workers use to fuel up their vehicles. If the grid goes down because of an EMP, so does the supply chain. No food and Gas deliveries, No way to transport spare parts. Its like trying to repair a car underwater. Perhaps it can be done, but its very difficult. All the cities unable to get food and no working factories.
Nuclear power plants need power 365 days a year to cool the rods ans spent fuel. Loss of power for extended periods can cause reactors to meltdown and spent fuel pools to catch fire. Fukashima melted down because the suddenly loss power and could not get the cooling system running. In a EMP event, The Power transformers will probably get busted preventing the plant from operating. Nuke Plants only store about 3 days worth of diesel fuel. Once the diesel fuel is consumed the spend fuel pools start heating up and within 3 to 7 days (depending on how hot the rods are) the water in the spend fuel rods starts boiling off. After a few days of boiling the water level drops exposing the spent fuel rods which react with the steam to catch fire. Then hell on Earth is unleashed. Grid recovery from a major EMP event that brings down the grid will take months to repair. If your downwind of a reactor after a EMP Grid down event: best to bend over and kiss your ass goodbye, and prepare for very painful and horrible death.
When contemplating a collapse is it reasonable to think that perhaps the workers might be affects and stop showing up? Oh that would never happen. Cough.
Or a River floods and submerges the entire plant. Funny you should mention water and Nuclear power in Nebraska:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Calhoun_Nuclear_Generating_Station
In 2011 (same year as Fukashima) The Ft. Colhoun Plant was partially submerged. Lucky for Nebraskans and lower states, that the Levy up river didn't give away washing the plant all the way down the Missouri river!
i wouldn't worry about living somewhere where tornados aplenty
good opportunity to scam FEMA out of some serious $$s
Not after a good ol fashion default, you'd be left to rebuild yourself, You can build a house right?
Wyoming looks good in spite of the snowfall.
Try "Poofter's Froth, Wyoming"
The author of the article left off the map of supervolcano calderas.
That would be loccated in Wyoming as I recall.
Only goes off every 600,000 years, but when it does, it's a biggie.
I have read news stories that the caldera is currently expanding,
a prelude to eruption?
Amurica's Tibet.
The creek, or "bold stream" as the real estate ladies say, is about two hundred yards away. Flows ~ 2 million gallons/day, and has never run dry in historic times.
So if anyone out West needs water, just send a self addressed stamped envelope.., oh wait.
Why are homicides down in the northern part of the country? Because certain type of folk don't go outside when it's cold!
In Minneapolis, it's the human folk who stay indoors all winter.
I would strongly advise any and all from even considering relocating to either Maine or New Hampshire.
Why's that? The cold? The reliance on oil heat? I will say this: many of those folks have better basic skills than their neighbors in the more urbanized Northeast.
It is already crowded enough. That said, the Free State Project is something to consider if they are still trying. Sadly, common core and community action seem to be surging.
It is too crowded. The FSP only resulted in Viet Nam vets immolating themselves on county courthouse steps. Convince the Mass and NYers to move out (back to Ma and NY is cool).
Creepy people. Some even speak French. Most put cream in their coffee. Stay away for your own good.
Cossack - I lived in Sanford Maine for 9 years. When the hard times came they cut cops and did recycling to raise revenue. Great place to live. No one bugs you. Maine used to be a basket case politically but that was 25 years ago. Now, the politics are good. There is a state income tax which is the downside but many parts of Maine are beautiful.
RD, Shhhhhhhhhh.
Everyone else, things are really bad in Maine. There are at least 3 things too frightening to write about. Please, don't go to Maine or NH. Texas is good. Yeah, everyone go to Texas.
VT, ME, northeast NY ( e.g. Plattsburgh) - decent growing season, enough to put up cabbage, spuds, and corn to get you through the winter, lots of fresh water, fresh fruit, low population density, but most of all, and what none of you pussies have said, no ni**ers.
Please note that I work with, and respect, a number of blacks (also Asians, Pakistanis, Indians, what have you) - if you're willing to put on a shirt and tie and go to work every day, I have all the time in the world for you. It's ni**ers I can't stand. Luckily, they don't like the cold.
Here is a migration option that many have not yet encountered:
http://northwestfront.org/
What are those cuckoo birds doing on the West side of the mountains?
Usura,
I had to marry an Irish girl because I couldn''t find a white woman that would hook up with me.
She's kind of grown on me so I will have to look for a less "Skinheady" place.
Sorry
Southern Iowa or Northern Missouri look OK. But not before the collapse of civilzation.
The Big Rock nuclear power plant in Northern Michigan has been decommisioned and torn down.
I know of at least one other (never finished) nuke on their imaginary list. But it is in the vicinity of where I live and thus I'm not telling which one it is.
Better for the no nuke kooks to settle somewhere else.
I'm already here!
No matter where you go, there you are.
+1 for the Buckaroo Banzai reference
Indeed!
No shit - so am I.
i came to the fork in the road and took it
Oh - so you're there and not here. I'll tell the others
The colder the better. No Hood Rats or Fuck Ups gonna tolerate that shit.
I'm of them opinion that they don't like bum fuk no where regardless of temp. Either that or they're on their way here !
This article is a joke. Info is just plain obvious (dry in the west, low density in the middle, etc), out of date or just plain wriong in many cases (such as with nuclear power plant location). Waste of time.
Dude.
It's a Mike Snyder Puff Piece.
Facts, logic, and critical thinking need not apply.
Why live in a police state? There isn't anyplace worth dropping anchor; however, having said the obvious, red states are a whole hell of a lot better than the "People's Republics" blue states. If you live in one of these communist havens, God help you.
www.traderzoo.mobi
US Virgin Islands baby!!!
72 by any chance?
Swan 53 Baby!
New Jersey is paradise, baby!
(now buy my fucking house so I can get out)
NH has no state income tax either or sales tax. But they do tax heavy with police and courts (family law and gender equality). To avoid that if you choose NH move up north. North Conway has shopping and mountains, it is awsome. As I mentioned on another thread if you have a small business with employees make sure you have an employee manual that contains a mirror of the states sexual harrassment laws.
There are woman predators that make a living suing for this and the state encourages it as it is a $10k fine.
The home prices in North Conway are very reasonable, there is plenty of farms nearby and clean lakes, rivers and streams. The nuke plant is 2 1/2 hours away. As Synyder advised just make sure you have back-up heat like a wood stove. Actually many homes up there already have them.
I am moving back up there myself this summer from SW Florida. It is too hot here and in any event I love the mountains. That it is safe and will be if martial law is declared sits as a big plus also but isnt my major driving factor.
The one probably real downside is there isnt a ton of work up there besides retail in the tourist area. But for a SOHO business it is heaven with breathtaking views. As said, I would never live in the southeast portion again for reasons mentioned. You rarely see a cop up North besides staties and unless your being obnoxious on the roads they leave you alone.
Sounds good, raging, but other parts of the MWV have a lower cost of living than North Conway.
Not much work in SW Florida except retail, tourism, and medical work.
Many old people with money to spend on retail, but with medical problems.
My understanding is when TSHTF the USSA is going to be ground zero. I would like to see a map of safe places to live out of the USSA.
Get a global map of prevailing winds. Draw big red X on northern hemisphere. Sorry honky, it is antarctica for you.
Thanks for the advice, but I already live there...brutha...
To merge a thought or two, Neu Schwabenland is looking for fresh blood.
Well, that's what I heard....
You don't want to live in a world like that.
If you can handle heat...come to vegas
https://paper.li/VegasRealtor8/1425656222?edition_id=c50be690-d222-11e4-...
No offense to you, but Fuuuuuuck Vegas! That place is truly the devil's asshole!
Vegas? That's where Flag and Trashcan Man will be! No thanks!
Bumpity bumpity bump!
My soul for you.
Washington state needs to blow all the bridges over the Columbia and treat Oregon like a DMZ no-man's land buffer to the desperate hordes in California.
Please don't come here.
Judging by the way WA Staters drive (badly) + the brutal Seattle traffic, I'd say the CA hordes have already arrived there and corrupted the once quaint vibe/culture...
Seattle/Bellevue/Spokane are weird.
One side of the tracks is like a hippie commune (with 22 year old Subarus), down the rural avenue is meth town, and across the glistening lake is tech money out the a$$.