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First Images Of Germanwings Crash Debris Emerge; White House Says "No Indication Of Terrorism"
While the White House, seemingly an expert in determining airplane crashes causes within hours if not minutes of the accident (see flight MH-17) has already opined on the tragic crash of the Lufthansa Germanwings airplane:
- WHITE HOUSE: NO INDICATION OF TERRORISM IN AIRPLANE CRASH
This will hardly be comfort to the families of the 148 people who lost their lives the crash which took place in the south Franch alps, and where the first images of the debris have just been released, via Airlive.net
Further evidence that the airplane crash was not a midair disintegration is that while the vertical airspeed was susbtantial, it wasn't freefall, and it took the airplane about 10 minutes to drop from a height of 11.5 to its final resting place some 2 kilometers high in the alps (via Zeit).
And here are all the latest crash developments from AP:
A local lawmaker says the debris from the plane crash in the French Alps that killed all 150 people on board is spread over 100-200 meters (110-220 yards).
Gilbert Sauvan, president of the general council of the Alpes-de-Haute-Provence, told the AP that "everything is pulverized."
He said the largest pieces of debris are the size of a small car.
Sauvan said no one can access the site from the ground, but that helicopters are circling the area to get information and 500 firefighters and gendarmes are in the area.
The boss of airline Germanwings says the plane went into a long descent before it crashed into the French Alps, likely killing all 150 people on board.
Germanwings CEO Thomas Winkelmann said the plane began descending again shortly after it reached its cruising height following takeoff from Barcelona Airport. The descent lasted eight minutes, he told reporters in Cologne. Radar and air traffic control contact broke off at 10:53 a.m.
He said the pilot had more than 10 years' experience working for Germanwings and its parent airline Lufthansa. Airbus said the A320 was delivered to Lufthansa in 1991.
Germanwings said the passenger manifest included two babies. Officials believe there were 67 German nationals on board.
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Never pass up the opportunity to say 'TERRORISM'
The White House has ruled out 'TERRORISM' as the cause of Obamas NCAA brackets getting busted
Queue the "Putin did it" crew....
Only one explanation - Greek terrorists!
I'm surprised the mountain didn't come down at free-fall speed
As a staunch liberal I trust my govt to know what's best for my life. And health. And everything else. So, why shouldn't I trust them to know what caused this plane to crash?
What Iranian nuclear weapons deal? We've got children and babies on this plane.
Worth researching "Wigner Effect" and the impact on aircraft structure (including window failures) that have occurred.
Could this have been some magnetic field alteration due to CERN? That's where it went down
Hey! Did they catch that detestable YouTube video guy that made the comedic film about Mohammed that inspired the Libyan uprisings?
Quite a ways from Geneva.
Accusations have been made that CERN is dirupting the magnetosphere.
Who knows. Interestng to follow.
The Whitehouse statement re. not terrorism is funny.
I'm no aviation expert, but I'll bet lightning or something else knocked out the electrical. They were descending manually and then something went wrong and they couldn't react fast enough with the manual hydraulics. #timestamp
No doubt there are lots of recorded cell phone calls from the heroic passengers.
i find it curious that this should happen right after the french and germans express support for china's asian infrastructure investment bank.
funny, how those who pursue policy contrary to washington often encounter unexpected "accidents".
Yeah, but, we have to defer to the expertise of the white house. If it was terrorism, they would know it. Seeing as how they are the terrorists in most every case.
Thanks Socratic Dog. You beat me to it.
Greatest sympathies go out to all who perished and their families.
This is interesting (from a news report):
"Other witnesses have described hearing an explosion 'like the sound of dynamite' then seeing fighter jets fly past, suggesting the passenger plane had been under military escort."
That report came from the Daily Mail:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3009151/headlines-news-Germanwin...
Seems like a lot of plane crashes in the last couple years, wonder who was on this one...
You know, liberal, I've always wondered about staunchness. Is it like the eau that eeks from one's chonees after a good three-day wearing? I think sometimes that's pretty staunch. As far as trusting the government goes, I mean, their word is as good as the man in charge, right?
What to believe - who to believe...its just a big giant cluster fuck on this planet.
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(A bit off topic) Its like someone dropped 10,000,000 puzzle pieces on the floor - with some pieces missing, some extra ones added that dont make sense - and we are trying to form the picture on the front of the box called Life.
French prime minister Manuel Valls said a helicopter had managed to land near the crash site. Gilbert Sauvan, an official with the local council, told Les Echos newspaper: "The plane is disintegrated. The largest debris is the size of a car."
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"The plane is disintegrated.
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disintegrated = explosives ?
http://yahoonews.tumblr.com/post/114489061712/live-updates-germanwings-f...
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No, disintegration is more likely caused by soft metal cigar with wings
striking unyielding object - hard rock mountain - at speed.
Splat, not Boom
But remember that according to USGOV physics, such aluminum tubes can and do cut through 14" steel box columns, and titanium in the engines burns to dust at 900F.
USGOV physics -- not to be confused with actual science.
Foam cuts through Space Shuttle Carbon Reinforced Leading Edge Wing Panels when shot at high speeds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e6mDrMlKqKE
You'd expect that the foam would bounce off, being much softer than Carbon Fiber. It has the density of Styrofoam after all.
You are definitely not a Materials Scientist.
Haven't you ever seen a straws lodged into a tree as a nail after a tornado?
Pratt and Whitney Engine Chunks were recovered at Ground Zero.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY_bPfOhDMc
Of course the NTSB refused to quarantine the site and do a proper investigation.
In every other air travel accident they have went out of their way to recover parts and reconstruct the aircraft. They even did that for the two Space Shuttle Disasters.
Not on 9-11. That was the only time in the National Transportation Safety Board's history that they failed to reconstruct an accident.
And of course the FBI failed to quarantine the site as a Crime Scene and do a proper investigation.
Any of the ethical US Government employed scientists at NIST were either shut up or shut out of the investigation.
But it will not stop me. I will get to the truth.
+infinity BLOTTO, that's one of the best descriptions of human life I've heard.
Since every tragic event is always described as a False Flag attack by a nutter on ZH,
How long before Geo Wash writes that Merkel is actually responsible but will blame Greeks?
I'm surprised the mountain didn't come down at free-fall speed
Unrulian,
There were no "Dancing Jews" in New York.
You must have that to get the supernatural results...like the Walls of Jericho.
You should understand the miraculous by now.
There are a lot of Government trolls today.
Here you go.
"Our purpose was to document the EVENT."
Of course those Dancing Jews were not here to PREVENT THE ATTACK.
https://youtu.be/tRfhUezbKLw?t=1m31s
We will not forget YOUR LIES about Nine Eleven, assholes.
We will never forget.
Buildings do not come down at Free Fall speeds through the path of greatest resistance unless all supports are blown out. That takes TIMING.
Now that's what a plane crash site looks like....Why didn't Shanksville, PA look like that???
Well it might have had something to do with the Dancing Jews.
Here is an interesting video to which I was introduced to on Zerohedge last night about 911.
I had never seen this aspect before. I learned something new. Perhaps I am slow.
But you may also learn something new. I do not know if you know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SP_Ezjm7xDg
Or the pentagon.
http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/pentalawn.html
Fucking love that link.
haha - you got there before me!
Initial reports indicated there was a Mayday call.
There should be an answer for this one, probably soon.
Putin did it
CNN says there was no distress call. Perhaps the cause will turn out to be mundane -- autopilot stopped for some reason and human pilot didn't know how to fly the plane.
When planes crash from high altitude, surprising how often it turns out that it just stalled and descended helplessly. In the age of super-automation, even experienced pilots often don't know how to correct a stall if the computer switches off.
Fucking Airbus'es - different computer logic than Boeing. Old US Pilot saying, "If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going", because Boeing basic computer logic always puts the pilot ahead of the computer - not (French)Airbus.
And I'm taking a fucking Airbus to Switzerland in May - as a pilot, I know better...
This crash is too similar to Flight 447::
At 02:11:40 UTC, the captain re-entered the cockpit. The angle of attack had then reached 40 degrees, and the aircraft had descended to 35,000 feet with the engines running at almost 100% N1 (the rotational speed of the front intake fan, which delivers most of a turbofan engine's thrust). The stall warnings stopped, as all airspeed indications were now considered invalid by the aircraft's computer due to the high angle of attack.[27] In other words, the aircraft was oriented nose-up but descending steeply. Roughly 20 seconds later, at 02:12 UTC, the pilot decreased the aircraft's pitch slightly, airspeed indications became valid and the stall warning sounded again and sounded intermittently for the remaining duration of the flight, but stopped when the pilot increased the aircraft's nose-up pitch. From there until the end of the flight, the angle of attack never dropped below 35 degrees. From the time the aircraft stalled until its impact with the ocean, the engines were primarily developing either 100 percent N1 or TOGA thrust, though they were briefly spooled down to about 50 percent N1 on two occasions. The engines always responded to commands and were developing in excess of 100 percent N1 when the flight ended.
The flight data recordings stopped at 02:14:28 UTC, or three hours 45 minutes after takeoff. At that point, the aircraft's ground speed was 107 knots, and it was descending at 10,912 feet per minute (108 knots of vertical speed). Its pitch was 16.2 degrees (nose up), with a roll angle of 5.3 degrees left. During its descent, the aircraft had turned more than 180 degrees to the right to a compass heading of 270 degrees. The aircraft remained stalled during its entire 3 minute 30 second descent from 38,000 feet[28] before it hit the ocean surface at a speed of 152 knots (280 km/h), comprising vertical and horizontal components of 108 and 107 knots respectively. The aircraft broke up on impact; everyone on board died, presumably instantaneously.[29]
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When the command pilot re-entered the cockpit, and saw the (relatively inexperienced co-pilot) had the stick full back, he said ("No, No, stick forward) according to the voice recorder. He recognized a full stall, being held in by the young guy that had very little real stick and rudder time. Flight 447 just ran out of altitude and luck before what may have been a full stall induced by bad instrument readings could be broken to get the plane flying again.
Fucking Airbus...
Which raises the possibility of Espionage against Airbus.
The MIC Contracts are now reaching the point of Ludicrous Retard. MIC Contractors need every contract.
Competition between Airlines Manufacturing is Intense.
Ludicrous Retard = Demands Espionage & Intelligence Operations
Dear Nobody - nice post, but I do take issue with this "...because Boeing basic computer logic always puts the pilot ahead of the computer". Boeing now has BUAP. When someone on the ground switches on Boeing Uninteruptable Auto Pilot, the stick becomes useless. I did read somewhere that Lufthansa was the only customer to refuse the ah ... innovation.
Nope. The blame for this one rests squarely on Bush.
Just ask the White House.
The current White House Administration spent the first four years blaming everything on Bush.
It is just the same thing as the White House blaming the shoot down of flight MH 17 on Putin.
We must have a lot of Obama lovers, here today, on ZH.
This flight profile would suggest that the pilot had time to tell ATC what the reasons were for the flights distress.
It should only take about 18 months to find out what was on the cockpit voice recorder.
Not needed, the trio in the Department of Pre Crime saw it before it happened.
OBAMA musta got his paper early today, how else would he know?
FORWARD SOVIET!
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its bad that my cynicism makes me automatically think like this, but was there anyone important on there? or anyone who has been saying certain things about certain people?
According to Joan Rivers biography calling Michael a tranny will get you a surgical mishap?
If the White House denies it's terrorism, then it most likely is terrorism.
And one really must question how the White House can soothsay the cause with no physical evidence yet available to analyze.
Evidence? Irrelevant. Truth is what they tell you it is.
No need for a public statement, since their services are working together closely anyway. This would be done in secrecy. "Do you have anything?" "No, we have no indications. Nothing."
But how would YOU tell the German government, to make sure they understand the message? It could be exactly that way.
The motive? Well Friedman from Stratfor a month or so ago openly said, that for more than 200 years US politics was to avoid German technology and efficiency and Russian resources coming together and forming an unbeatable combination.
Who knows, maybe Merkel needed a slight reminder what the "appropriate" approach torwards Russia via Ukraine is?
Not sure about that being US policy, but it certainly was British policy. The Mackinder Doctrine goes a long way towards explaining some of the most important events of the c20th. A Japanese-Russian war financed in Japan's favour by London and New York; a failed Russian revolution of 1905 and a successful revolution of 1917; two world wars; 70 years of socialism imposed on Russia by the City of London and Wall Street; all of this helped keep the turn-of-the-century economically resurgent Russia and Germany down. And that's the way it has remained since. As soon as they see the slimmest prospect of what Mackinder called the "World Island" advancing, they make sure to sabotage it at the first opportunity.
You can also safely assume the euro was designed from the outset to cripple Germany and keep Europe split down the middle; Helmut Kohl didn't want it but was warned by Thatcher and Mitterand German unification would not go ahead otherwise.
The way I see things is as follows: the Anglo-American Empire is nearing its end, and that is a very dangerous moment for the rest of us. They are prepared to set the rest of the world ablaze to prevent their own downfall under their own colossal debt mountain, which far surpasses Europe's. Webster Tarpley had a very perceptive article some time ago about how Anglo-America set about collapsing the euro to make sure the dollar and sterling survived.
http://tinyurl.com/5vrab7c
People should read that article closely; it explains all they need to know about the manufactured crisis in Europe.
Germany and Russia need to keep their nerve and not fall for the provocations. If they do that they will have a front-row seat to watch the collapse of Anglo-America in the near future. If they make a miscalculation by reacting just the way Anglo-America wants them to react it would almost certainly mean another world war.
Sorry for going off-topic. Just one last thought: a very important case concerning US tech companies in Europe went before the European Court today. The US stands to lose its Safe Harbour rights to data if Europe stands up for its citizens. In other words, there would be a huge hole in US intelligence gathering if the case went against them.
http://www.europe-v-facebook.org/EN/en.html
Nobody has mentioned the downing of that flight as a possible warning shot across the bows to ensure the European court arrives at the "correct" decision. Perhaps too conspiratorial? Who knows? I thought it was worth throwing out anyway. It's obvious these people are insane enough to do anything now. Not because the average American and Englishman is insane, but because their governments have been hijacked by the parasites. You all know who I'm talking about.
Goodnight everyone. It's nearly 2 am here in Ireland.
Gezley,
thanks for your excellent comment! Too bad I only accidentially noticed it, because I searched my comment to repost it in another thread, because the voice recordings of the Germanwings machine allegedly shows, that a pilot was locked out from the cockpit and shouted while the plane was going down...
You're welcome Againstthelie. I always find Mackinder-based geopolitics interesting. With Kissinger's and Brezinski's ideas still dictating US policy Mackinder is just as relevant today as it was a century ago. Here in Europe we are very much paying the price for it. Even in Ireland, which is militarily neutral, but still economically a basket-case, no matter what they tell you on the news about an Irish recovery. As far as I am concerned the attack on the euro was a two-pronged Anglo-American assault on Europe's soft underbelly to shore up their own currencies, and I for one am still paying the price to this day with my small business utterly ruined.
If the White House denies it's terrorism, then the USA needs some more laws restricting the rights of citizens oops I mean abilities of terrorists to do nasty stuff.
That just means they're admitting they didn't do it -- publicly.
or that they did and they're lying.
You can never tell with this bunch except to pretty much discredit everything they say.
it was racism!
Flight profile looks like the pilot stopped flying the plane. The aircraft should have turned back (away from Mtns) and slowed up to max glide airspeed, they did neither.
We wait for the Black box.
Not if the Duch government gets that Black Box, then it will be super secret double O spy secured and no one will know.
"Flight profile looks like the pilot stopped flying the plane."
That's what it looks like. Speed stays at around 400 knots during the descent into the mountainside. The other interesting thing is there was a safety directive for that family of Airbus models including this plane. In a previous incident, the plane started descending at a rate of 4,000 fpm with no input from the pilot until the pilot regained control and pulled out of the dive at 28,000 feet.
why not the white box? black box is racist!
They should know since they're the terrorists.
exactly. No, Langely / Bush did not do it (revenge for the AIIB event!).
RIP!
Yep. They hate us for our (minscule remnant of) freedom.
workplace violence.
67 boxheads
While we're on the topic of Airlines....International Consolidated is bidding for Aer Lingus. Merged airline will be called Con Lingus.
POTUS: "Did we set that up"
Head Spook: Uh, no sir, wasn't us
Press Sec: So we should go with the "No act of terror" sir?
POTUS: Uh, yea, some folks got killed by accident"
Why does the debris look like confetti?
Smash a thin aluminum tube into a mountain at 500 MPH and it will do that.
I think the MOUNTAIN has more to do with the physics at that scene considering that thin aluminum tube weighed 750,000 pounds. It's called Terra Firma for a reason.
But we know that the thin aluminum tubes (even the wings) are able to cut through multiple layers of steel beams?
Not just that, but planes that hit the ground at high speed actually vapourize, leaving almost zero debris!
oh wait...
Obviously there was no plane. Its an inside job, all conjured up to support an invasion of Italy. Those bastards!
I'm surprised the mountain didn't collapse into its own footprint in ten seconds.
Where is the impact crater?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3009151/headlines-news-Germanwin...
VAPORIZED.
No indication yet if it was a Russian SAM.
"Highly placed sources" say Russian Subs were reported to be operating in the area.
Polish navy has been dispatched to intercept.
The Russian sub theory has been debunked because the subs were hauled out by British fly fishing anglers only yesterday. They thought they'd hooked a cheese wheel.
You gotta watch out for those ground-subs - they'll getcha every time.
Experts identified BUK pieces on the first images of the debris.
I'm only seeing confetti, where's the plane?
Dude, that IS the plane.
A controlled decent doesn't indicate terrorism anymore than a rapid one would...
What did Lysenko say in Kiev ?
Bullish for Boeing
WTF has this got to do with the US.GOV?
Why would we care what they say. Dumb fucks.
Everything is all about Barry, don't you know?
"Mr Golfer, a plane crash has killed 150 people!"
"Golly! Can I get on TV?"
That plane had to be held together with duct tape. How the hell do you keep a plane in service since 1991. Freaking cheap bastards.
and don't forget in addition to the duck tape there is out-sourced maintainence -
Hecho en Bangladesh
Idiot.
It will probably shock him to learn that the last B-52 Stratofortress Strategic Bomber was manufactured in 1963. (Yes. Nineteen Sixty Three.)
And those Bombers currently remain the mainstay of the USA's Strategic Bombing Air Force. and are planned for decommisioning in the 2040s.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
And the Tu-95 Bear bomber, which started with the Soviet Air Force in 1956, will also be retired in the 2040s. The world's loudest plane by many accounts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-95
Wrong dude russia's latest bomber is Tu-160 which entered service in 1987 and won't be retiring any soon . Tu-160 is the world's largest combat aircraft, largest supersonic aircraft and largest variable-sweep aircraft built .
Don't fly United to most places in Asia. Almost all older 747's.
"Witnesses have described hearing an explosion 'like the sound of dynamite' then seeing fighter jets fly past, suggesting the passenger plane had been under military escort"
And there you have it.
Link?
found it -
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3009151/headlines-news-Germanwin...
include a link next time, quimby...
Sorry chap very poor form of me.
Good detective work there though PR!
Cheers!
Edit: I just down arrowed myself. haha I didn't realise you could abuse yourself in here
Strategically it would be harder for cell phone picture of airline been escorted or forced down by fighter jets... when over mountains like "Alps".
What fucking witnesses?? They got Yeti's to give statements on the crash? The site is so remote it's only accessible bu helicopter.
Obama can keep his mouth shut--typical
Maybe this can be reported.so.soon.after.the event because the NSA was flying the plane....
You may have a valid point.
That is interesting...
Wait just a fucking minute...How did the Tylers come up with color photos of the crash site when the best the State Department can do is out of focus, grainy, black and white pictures of the invading Russian hordes in Ukraine?
Wigner Effect
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mctuo1gZMWg
Never heard of this, thanks!
aircraft are routinely screended for metal fatigue and cracks in structures. Might as well postulate flying into a poisonous cloud of Radioactive particles, no support for either. Poisonous cloud is more ominous.
Post Fuku these accidents are off the charts. Look at the data.
A terrible tragedy. God bless these folks, their families, and their friends.
Who gives a fuck what the White House says.
The douchebags in dc still think they are relevant to thw world instead of a laugh track
HA! I just posted almost the exact same thing.
Seriously, why would the WH poke it's brown nose into this?
Because Obama fancies himself WorldSavior.
Teeth...?
Well it's a good thing that we know what the cause is; it'll save us a lot of money by sidestepping an investigation, just like with MH-17 and TWA 800.
"..a long descent"
From the AP-
"The plane left Barcelona at 9:55 a.m. Germanwings official Thomas Winkelmann said it began descending again shortly after it reached its cruising height of 38,000 feet following takeoff from Barcelona Airport. The descent lasted eight minutes, he told reporters in Cologne. Radar and air traffic control contact with the plane broke off at 10:53 a.m. at an altitude of about 6,000 feet."
It dropped 32,000 feet in 8 minutes. 4000 FPM, 66.666666666 ! feet per second, downwards with no distress call.
This is not something the pilots wouldn't notice, unless they were unconscious.
You'd think they would send a mayday.
Their first priority is to get the aircraft under control not piss away time yapping on the radio.
"Mayday mayday, we're going down!"
5 seconds.
There are two pilots, one can yap while the other crashes the plane.
There are two pilots, one can yap while the other crashes the plane.
Now that is fucking bad....downright evil.
LMAO.
6 miles DOWN in 8 minutes. So a VERTICAL speed of about 45 MPH. Freefall tops out at something over 100 MPH right? Been a while since I pushed anybody out of a helicopter.
I heard a Navy pilot say this morning,"aviate, navigate, communicate," in that order when dealing with in flight emergency.
Like I said
That seems like a high altitude and fast speed for a commercial jet. I'm not a pilot so I don't know but it seems faster than the typical 300 mph and 30,000 ft. that US jets fly over the continental US.
Typical speeds for commercial jets over USA are roughly over 500 miles per hour at 30,000 feet.
(I have flown the 360 miles from Phoenix to San Diego, and San Diego to Phoenix, many, many times...It takes less than an hour.)
Indicated airspeed will not reach the 500+ mph/knots you see above, because the air thins as you gain altitude (less air molecules pushing against the pitot tube = less apparent air speed). The ground speed, however, will be an apparent 500+ mph. This, along with some turbine efficiencies, is why jets fly so high.
Thank you. I have learned something.
Well...
And considering that LEADING CROSS SECTION OF THE JET which is pushing all of that air in front of it...Well that puts up some substantial resistance unless the jet is at altitude.
The pitot tube has not much to do with limiting air speed but only measures it. Air resistance and consequential friction is the limiting factor. You know? DRAG? A major FORCE operating on that airframe?
Who cares about the pitot tube unless you are piloting the damned contraption. Then knowing your airspeed is generally a good idea...unless you want to stall...or crash.
(Did you read about the crash that happened because a damned spider weaved its web inside of the pitot tube because it was left without its protective cover on the ground?)
We are not sure if it was Putin's fault.
(see what I did there?)
Perhaps the plane flew through a Russian persistent contrail? After all, it is the Ruskies painting the sky, according the CIA.
Yes. Passenger manifest, please.
Don't worry, it'll only turn out to be a planeful of infectious disease scientists or fusion scientists or mid-level bankers.
Just arrived from my evening walk. No indications of any terrorism.
You may drop dead tomorrow from that walk
Washington, the epitome of terror and fear. Fuck'en clown show....acidents just can't happen we have to toss the TERROR theme in at all costs.
Since when do plane crashes produce debris?
Who gives a rat's ass what the White House thinks.
How is it possible that "
So early the White Elephant determined that there was no trace of terrorism ?
Probably becasue the CIA did not put any bombs in the plane . Instead the White Elephant knew immediately that the MH-17 was downed by their UKI friends and blamed Russia . How can people believe the BLS the USA government spins ?
He said the largest pieces of debris are the size of a small car.
Hmmm ... nothing that size at the Pentagon or in Pennsylvania!
Why did WTC7 fall down?
Why did WTC7 fall down?
Why did the Walls of Jericho fall down?
Dancing Jews, perchance?
Our purpose was to document the EVENT...(Of course it was not to prevent the attack as they had FOREKNOWLEDGE.)
Here they are telling their story on Israeli Late Night TeeVee.
https://youtu.be/tRfhUezbKLw?t=1m31s
Paul Craig Roberts
British break through for anyone interested in 9/11.
Court case against BBC
http://www.paulcraigroberts.org/2015/03/23/uk-citizen-won-law-case-bbc-a...
Could it be the Greeks?
sure, someone just blow off plane...
4U9525? Germanwings:
NO emergancy call from pilots
Discussion about possible Terror-Attack:
http://tersee.com/#!q=germanwings&t=text
it happened on the safest phase of the flightpath
Who was on board?
glide path looks an awful lot like depressization, and with an old model AB the autopilot was not engaged and did not auto engage. slow desent, no control, no radio. Payne stewart without the autpoilot. The folks were dead before thay pranged it in.
May God recieve their souls.
Whatever happened to "Before we jump to conclusions, let's wait to see what the investigation finds"?
I gave up on that tactic when they said the MH17 black-boxes had been taken to England for analysis.