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Israel Spies On U.S. Negotiations With Iran, Gives Info to Congressmen Trying to Block a Deal ... The BIGGER Picture
It is – rightfully – front-page news that Israel was caught spying on the closed-door negotiations between the U.S. and Iran.
And the Obama administration is particularly outraged that Israel allegedly shared that information with Republican congressmen who want to stop any peaceful deal with Iran.
This is certainly outrageous … but small, in the grand scheme of things.
Why?
Because Israeli spying on America is so rampant that U.S. officials have labeled it “alarming, even terrifying”.
And because the U.S. has only half-heartedly asked Israel to stop … Israel has told the U.S. to pound sand.
As if that isn’t bad enough, the NSA voluntarily shares the raw data it collects on American citizens with Israel.
This includes raw data on U.S. government officials. This not only raises major privacy concerns for American citizens, but it might mean that Israel is spying on the American Congress and other high-level politicians.
Indeed, leaked NSA documents show that U.S. intelligence officials are concerned that the NSA may be putting Israel’s security needs ahead of America’s.
Moreover, top NSA officials have told Washington’s Blog that mass surveillance by the NSA is really aimed at blackmail. And see this.
Indeed, 5,000 years of history shows that spying on one’s own people is always aimed at crushing dissent. (Incidentally, opposing unnecessary, costly wars - such as war against Iran - is treated as terrorism and unacceptable dissent.)
But it's not just Americans ... America’s spy apparatus also helps foreign governments - like Israel - crush dissent in their countries.
Indeed, spying is really a power grab. As Snowden accurately said:
These programs were never about terrorism: they’re about economic spying, social control, and diplomatic manipulation. They’re about power.
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The purpose of Yahweh separating the Jews was to breed the Christ.
The Genetic Code was corrupted in the "Garden". The story of Adam and Eve was allegorical and the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil was about sex and reproduction.
The Serpent created the Cain-anite line and the Seth line saw the blessing in the eyes of Yahweh. Eve became corrupted and then corrupted Adam.
I will read your link. Perhaps it may change my views.
With due respect.
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GW, for once you're wrong. Why would Israel spy on the USA? After all they have their people in every position at every level of the "security" apparatus, DoD and State. They provided crucial security and communications software - replete with backdoors - to the CIA and NSA and their placemen and dual citizens in Congress can fill in on any of the less structured stuff.
No need to spy.
Now your going to bash the jooooos eh GW?
Most of your links come from your own propaganda site and the links to the UK Telegraph article has the obama administration accusing Israel of spying. That has about as much credibility as a hooker saying she's a virgin.
For you to even take the side of the obama side over Israel shows how full of shit you are and are a class A shill.
Or maybe you are just some propagandist BOT.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-23/propagandists-use-automated-sof...
Pathetic is straying to take on new meaning...soldier number one
How do you know I'm not Jewish?
Maybe I'm Jewish ...
Holocaust Survivor and Israeli Minister: Labeling Criticism of Israel “Anti-Semitic” Is a TRICK
Do you have on shoes that curl up in the front? Would you like me to lend you a pair? I'm sure they'll fit you.
If you are Jewish then you in no way shape matter or form would be doing what you are doing.
There are those that call themselves Jews but are of the synagogue of satan. To not even understand the threat to Jewish people world wide while the media just kinda ignores it is a purposeful denial of history going back to the bible.
Your ignorance of the current picture of the geopolitical situation, including the unique situation the USA has with it's own anti-Israel dictator, shows that if you were Jewish you would be warning people that the obama administration is actively working with Iran on a secret deal that would give them the capability to make a nuke while using American tax dollars To community organize against the peoe against Israel.
You are a Gutless coward and I'm going to hound you until you quit. And by quit I mean the Tyler's not publishing this garbage anymore. Because you just might be a bot.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-03-23/propagandists-use-automated-sof...
Please get your facts straight, soldier. Iranian mullahs may be assholes ... but here's the real world, practical facts:
that Iran poses very little threat to the West or Israel . Top American
and Israeli military and intelligence officials say that – even if Iran
did build a nuclear bomb – it would not be that dangerous, because Israel and America have so many more nukes. And see this
that the U.S. overthrew the moderate, suit-and-tie-wearing,
Democratically-elected prime minister of Iran in 1953. He was overthrown
because he had nationalized Iran’s oil, which had previously been controlled by BP and other Western oil companies. As part of that action, the CIA admits that it hired Iranians to pose as Communists and stage bombings in Iran in order to turn the country against its prime minister
government, the fundamentalist Mullahs would have never taken over.
(Moreover, the U.S. has had a large hand in strengthening radical Islam
in the Middle East by supporting radicals to fight the Soviets and others)
So "supreme leader" Ali Khamenei going full tilt retard saying “Of course yes, death to America..." in answering cheering crowds chanting Death to America!...while Kerry is staring at his belly button picking his navel lint is someone Obama (your president) can "negotiate" with?
Wait, please don't answer that.
You do realize the side that wants Iran to have "peaceful nuclear power" is advocating FOR nuclear proliferation, right?
Can I expect no more Fukushima articles then? ;-)
nmewn, you and I disagree on many issues. But I respect your sense of humor, and you're obviously a bright guy.
I'm against nuclear power and nuclear weapons. It would be better if Iran didn't have em, Israel didn't have em, and NO ONE had em.
But the real reason Israel doesn't want iran to have em is because it would shift the balance of power away from an Israeli monopoly in the middle east. It's all about power and money.
As I said, I think the Iranian Mullahs are for the most part assholes. Most Iranians are moderate who don't like any fundamentalists.
The U.S. often mistranlates what they say for political reasons. I haven't yet looked into the recent statement ...
Well George, considering the rogues gallery that shows up consistently to blast your posts, you must be hitting them where it hurts. Them being the true enemies of America. None of them can frame any kind of intelligent argument to attack you with. What they bring is tedious, childish name calling, by the bucket load. Megaphone and GIYUS must have a special George Washington alert button they push to call out the cockroaches every time you post. Consider it a compliment. Unlike Lloyd, you truely are doing God's work. All the best and don't give up the fight.
If you think people who blast GW's posts are enemies of America, you either do not understand the American ideal oryou don't understand GW. He is a narcissist. He aspires only to be coined the inspiration of some forthcoming revolution. He is so selective in his "research" and his claiming of people as "experts" that there is little journalistic integrity whatsoever to what he posts. I have debunked him many times - but it gets tiring. GW is a statist in the most subliminal sense - he wants "us" to act in unison, under his personal flag, to replace the current central state with an alternative, centrally-controlled state. He espouses collectivism with the temporal goal of anarchy, followed by the erecting of a statue in his name. That is antithetical to the framers' ideal of preservin individual sovereignty.
GW has scarecely an original thought in his mind. He cobbles together other people's thoughts into what he believes is a coherent line of argument (but he leaves out critical, opposing views and information). He goes around labeling everyone - just look at the posts above. He declares that NMewn is "obviouly pretty bright" and that so and so is a "newbie." Who does this except a narcissist? He cares less about the issue than about taking credit for putting them in front of all his minions to suck up unwittingly. Then he unabashedly attacks any opposing view to his thesis. That is the apex of liberal theology.
Wake up. The real enemy is not a faceless object like a "state" or a "central bank". Those are extensions and implements of the real enemy. Eradicating one by revolution will simply yield the next.
Funny, TPTB's main attempt to diffuse Snowden's revelations of fascist levels of mass surveillance was to call him a "narcissist" ...
You just confirmed my thesis. You want to be viewed as a martyr in the order of Snowden. Thank you.
Try to formulate a substantive view on something. Anything.
Your lies, distortions, and sophestries are pathetic. Do you get paid for this nonsense, or do you do it for free?
Which ones, BigJim? Please list and detail my "lies, distortions...". You just sit behind your anonymity and spout broad brush statements.
I point out flaws in GW's "journalism" and get lots of minion-sponsored down-arrows. But no substantive retort. I'm pretty comfortable with that.
Self? What do you actually think (other than thinking that if GW writes it, it must be true)? You discredit your moniker if you can't invest enough to think critically.
WSJ: Israel Spied On US Talks With Iran
By Al Jazeera Staff
The White House discovered the alleged spying by intercepting communications among Israeli intelligence officials. Continue
http://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-spied-on-iran-talks-1427164201
Thanks ... that's been true for years.
If it was "true" as you say, you would not find the need to incessantly defend your posts via interceding comments. Your 'hovering' is a hallmark of your insecurity about your view points.
What do you really believe, GW? The world may never know.
Right. And if he wasn't defending himself and calling out your bullshit, you'd say he had no answer to your 'truths'.
Fuck off hasbara. Shouldn't you be off firing at some Arab kids who accidentally come within sniping distance of their own border?
Thanks for your input Stuart. Or is it Kenny? Or Carl? Your failed profiling tells much about you.
Thanks for your input Stuart. Or is it Kenny? Or Carl? Your failed profiling tells much about you.
I'd love to know how that begins to make any sense, even to you.
Stuart, Kenny and Carl are the names of minions in the Despicable Me movies. Just calling you out for what you are - an unabashed follower. As to the failed profiling - you NO NOTHING about me, yet you decide to label me as some "neocon" or "arab-phobic".
Let me know when you want to have a substantive debate. Or does that thought frighten you?
http://www.wsj.com/articles/israel-spied-on-iran-talks-1427164201
Citing more than a dozen current and former U.S. and Israeli officials, the WSJ said Israel eavesdropped on the negotiations and gathered information from “confidential U.S. briefings,” “informants” and “diplomatic contacts in Europe.”
That bears repeating...
"But the real reason Israel doesn't want iran to have em is because it would shift the balance of power away from an Israeli monopoly in the middle east. It's all about power and money."
"As I said, I think the Iranian Mullahs are for the most part assholes."
They are, thats the problem.
"Most Iranians are moderate who don't like any fundamentalists."
There is truth in that as well but it didn't help those who supported the Green Revolution and were beaten down by the mullahs, the state and Basij.
And Obama said what about that?
Be careful what you hitch your wagon to, Obama is no friend to freedom.
They're all assholes.
But they're less of a threat to the citizens of the US (and, by extension, the rest of the world) than Israel is, because the latter has already hijacked the US government. Whereas Muslims will almost certainly never do the same.
You should really re-examine your commitment to the Zionist cause. The bulk of Isrealis are not the people you think they are. ie, your support for their atrocities is going to lead you away from God, not towards him.
The Reverend Jim is worried about my soul and systems of governance...lol. Why don't you go on over to Saudi Arabia and change the monarchy there into a "Democracy!" and try converting a few souls while you're at it pastor.
You just might meet your maker a whole lot faster and solve your own eternal questions ;-)
Nice sophestries, Nmewn. You're the one claiming to be a 'Christian'; so don't be surprised when people try to hold you to it.
PS - Do please remind me when I have ever spoken in support of Saudi Arabia...
I was making a comparison (obviously) in governance and freedom of religion(s) or did that go right over your head?
I'm a baptized Christian, yes. But if you think being a Christian (or a Muslim for that matter) equals pacifism you're so far gone as to make this conversation worthless.
Now, come and try and guilt trip me some more, its kinda entertaining ;-)
You really are pathetic aren't you? No other words are necessary!!!
Shut up for a second.
Why do so many Jews have the self hate that you exhibit, Geo Wash? Is it because you recognize that you are a complete fool?
Many times you have written of your admiration for the middle east dictators and muslim extremists. This Israel bashing continues your general theme.
Of course, Israel has continuous monitoring on the talks through spying on the Iranians ans some helpful exchanges with the more friendly French delegation. They don't need to tap Obammie's phone and it would probably be worthless to hear his scrambled ideas anyway.
Why do so many Jews have the self hate that you exhibit, Geo Wash?
Could it be that a Jew doesn't have to hate himself or other Jews to criticise Israel?
Presumably, in the run up to WWII, you would have dismissed any Italians critiquing Mussolini and the Fascists as being 'Self-hating Italians'?
You Zionists are pathetic. As if agreement with the racial supremacism that underpins Zionism is a defining characteristic of being a Jew!
Hell I am American and I criticize Murica.
That does not mean I hate Murica.
It means that I hate Obama...and Bush...and Clinton...and Bush Sr...and...well...you get the point.
Or do you?
There are actually Jews that do not support Zionism.
Are you?
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Its a simple yes or no George ;-)
Deleted. I started talking about my Jewish parents, but I'd rather stay anon.
Jewish parents doesn't make you Jewish.
But I gotta ask, were you ever called a "Talmudist kiddie fiddler!" because they were Jewish? Doesn't that say more about the type of trolls you bring to a thread more than anything else?
I think so, you are the company you keep George.
It all depends on how you define the word "jew".
1. It properly refers to any inhabitant of Judea, regardless of race or religion.
2. Through English anachronistic translation in the 18th century, it came to mean "an adherent of the religion of Judaism."
3. Through the past two centuries, it has come (improperly) to be applied to (a) a race, (b) a nation, and even (c) a language.
There are other meanings too, in the Christian faith.
I'd say it's hard to respond with an answer without the meaing of the word being defined in the question, although it appears you applying meaning (2) to the word "jew" in your question.
When I say Jew I'm saying (2) whatever their nationality or race. When I say Israelis I mean a national. It may surprise some of the bigots here but all Israelis are not Jews...lol.
That's what I thought. You've got the proper modern usage of the word, and right you are regarding Israelis and jews- unlike what seems to be the majority these days.
Which is why I asked. These days it seems, if both my parents were jewish, I could answer your question "yes" or "no" without divulging anything, really.
That's why I pointed out the importance of what you meant.
Imagine if the meaning of other religions were as confusing to the masses!
It makes me wonder why the confusion? To what end?
Rhetorically, of course ;)
Well, you're here.
So are you.
Troll hug! ;-)
Don't let these arseholes get to you, GW. Who you are is completely irrelevant to whether your assertions are (or are not) correct.
The fact that they attack you personally suggests they are unable to attack your facts and reasoning.
Being able to express your opinions anonymously in a free society is a basic right. In burgeoning police states like ours, it's a necessity.
Nmewn- this is why I call him a gutless coward. He does not answer or clarify.
Plus he uses the avatar of George Washington and that I can not abide.
The Dude does not abide.
The thing about it is, if one is going to lay down the whole "How do you know I'm not Jewish?" red herring, they better be able to proudly say yes or no.
Now one can only assume he is and doesn't want to out himself here, while I can still proudly say I'm not.
Uh oh, kiddie fiddlers unite!...lol.
Kinnay. All I want is an honest post about info that the informed know about but provides added context, thought provoking and truly enlightened discussion.
This posting of partial truth propaganda for ZH is an insult to those that have been proud to be here because we want more information than the propaganda MSM gives us the ability to comment honestly.
It seems to be disappearing here. Have you noticed Tyler hasen't commented on any posts with insightful perspective to comments?
It's like seeing The woman you loved for the same whore that far too many have become...damn it!
Fuck you GW, you professional pompous patronizing slanderer. Will you ever write a real article based on original research? You're no better than a keyneseian clown regurgitating half truths and the party line.
#1, 11, 12, 13 AND 14 ... Well-done, soldier!
Geo Wash is the self declared expert on presenting the undistorted truth.
Except then the worm intentionally writes the propaganda piece time after time after time again. The dumb ass is still a believer in a well head on fire at the Macondo blowout.
Read those rules that Geo Wash posted. Anyone will immediately identify Geo Wash as a writer who fits every requirement as disinformation artist. Republican congressmen report that they got no secret info from Israel.