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Israel Spies On U.S. Negotiations With Iran, Gives Info to Congressmen Trying to Block a Deal ... The BIGGER Picture
It is – rightfully – front-page news that Israel was caught spying on the closed-door negotiations between the U.S. and Iran.
And the Obama administration is particularly outraged that Israel allegedly shared that information with Republican congressmen who want to stop any peaceful deal with Iran.
This is certainly outrageous … but small, in the grand scheme of things.
Why?
Because Israeli spying on America is so rampant that U.S. officials have labeled it “alarming, even terrifying”.
And because the U.S. has only half-heartedly asked Israel to stop … Israel has told the U.S. to pound sand.
As if that isn’t bad enough, the NSA voluntarily shares the raw data it collects on American citizens with Israel.
This includes raw data on U.S. government officials. This not only raises major privacy concerns for American citizens, but it might mean that Israel is spying on the American Congress and other high-level politicians.
Indeed, leaked NSA documents show that U.S. intelligence officials are concerned that the NSA may be putting Israel’s security needs ahead of America’s.
Moreover, top NSA officials have told Washington’s Blog that mass surveillance by the NSA is really aimed at blackmail. And see this.
Indeed, 5,000 years of history shows that spying on one’s own people is always aimed at crushing dissent. (Incidentally, opposing unnecessary, costly wars - such as war against Iran - is treated as terrorism and unacceptable dissent.)
But it's not just Americans ... America’s spy apparatus also helps foreign governments - like Israel - crush dissent in their countries.
Indeed, spying is really a power grab. As Snowden accurately said:
These programs were never about terrorism: they’re about economic spying, social control, and diplomatic manipulation. They’re about power.
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Of course Republicans (or Democrats) never lie. And the tooth fairy gave me a blowjob last night.
Yes, he obviously has an agenda but is too much of a pussy to come clean. At least the neonazis on here like thirst mutilator, funfacts, and the mentally challenged tony Wilson don't hide their views. This GW beats around the bush pathologically. Always snippets of information that are partially true. Never the big picture. He probably is simply not talented enough to provide any original insights nor brave enough to really say what's on his mind.
If you posted that about GW on virtually any other ZH post, you would get pretty much the inverse up/down arrow ratio. You called out the cult leader for what he is. And yet he still pens his distortions because he's addicted to the validating rush of upvotes and 5-star ratings his minions dependably provide him.
Exactly, its not like the French, Chinese, Russians, British, and Germans didn't have the same information...lol.
Damned republicans!
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The French, Chinese, Russians, British, and Germans do not know the intimate details of what the Bar-Rack Hussein Obama administration is "negotiating"?
You people are even dumber than I thought.
"And the Obama administration is particularly outraged that Israel allegedly shared that information with Republican congressmen who want to stop any peaceful deal with Iran.
This is certainly outrageous … but small, in the grand scheme of things."
Its outrageous, outrageous I say! These things brought into broad daylight, simply outrageous!
Republican congressmen like who, Schumer, Menedez etal?
I thought that was the entirety of his draw?
So WTF with Obama and Israel and Iran? Is this his inner little American saying 'kiss my ass, I'm doing what I want'
or just some absurd kabuki theater? And they are all in it like a happy family.
obama the muzzie is coming out of the closet
Who gives a shit if Obama is Muslim or not? Iran hasn't done jack to ANYONE, and damn sure not the U.S. - they threaten NOBODY except the paranoid psychopaths running Israel.
Iran should hate our ass - we're fucking evil incarnate.
WE fomented a coup to put in a rich, opressive, psychopath U.S. puppet - the Shah - into power there. He tortured and slaughtered his political opponents for years and pissed off the Iranians so much that they had to have a revolution to get rid of his evil ass. The fundamentalist Shia Ayatolla was LESS oppressive than the Shah to the Iranian people - what does that say about the U.S. puppet dictators we hire and put into power?
WE sold Saddam Hussein the nerve gas he used on Iranian troops and civilians in the Iraq-Iran wars. We gave Hussein troop concentration and targeting intel specifically for him to use mustard gas and Sarin on them. About the only thing the U.S. didn't do was hog-tie the Iranian victims and videotape their deaths. Well, that I know of...
WE (along with Mossad) protected, trained and finance Iranian MEK terrorists that still car-bomb Iranian grandmas and school kids today - from their U.S. protected MEK terrorist base in Iraq. Except their on 'our' side, so they're not classified as terrorists, and their civilian victims are not classified as human beings.
WE produced sanctions on Iran designed to punish civilians so much that they (supposedly) would be forced to revolt. Except that's been a collossal failure like every U.S. attempt to punish civilians until their governments cave. One of those muzzie civilian punishments is prohibiting medicine and medical equipment from getting to Iranian hospitals. Two hundred thousand Iranian infant deaths over the last decade and a half from lack of basic crap like antibiotics and heart rate monitors. That will teach those 'muzzie' bastards to disobey the U.S.! We're doing God's work here.
Whatever evil plan you envision Obama having with regards to Iran, a big part of it involves treating them like human beings and not starting a war with them for no reason at all or nuking them at Israel's request. I personally like that part of the plan, no matter what money-making schemes are probably behind it.
Congress is too busy blowing Israel to notice, though. Using Israeli intel to thwart Obama's attempts to normalize relations with Iran is PURE FUCKING EVIL.
Wasn't a million Iraqis killed by the U.S. enough dead muzzies for you? How many dead Iranians do you want to add to the body count before you'll be happy? You'll have to quit gargling on Nettanyahu's schlong long enough to convince anyone of your muzzie final solution. I can hardly wait to to hear your CNN/NYT/Israeli logic for how, exactly, Iran and the muzzies are an existential threat to the U.S.
There's a reason they want regime change in Iran, to see thousands of their children die, see them blown up by terrorist bombs, see their country demolished. Money and the power it brings. These bankers and oil men, through their foot soldier necocons in government, would gladly kill billions of us, including Americans, who dare to get in the way. Religion is a useful tool to these folks becuase it keeps us at each others throats. A cover for their terrorists acts which are used as justification to establish their one world totalitarian fascist state. We are old what we do will make the world a better and safer place. You pretty much have to be the dumbest person on earth if you believe that fucking bullshit.
If you don't find it relevant that Obama is/could be Muslim, you must have no understanding of Islam and/or have no sense of the underpinnings of America.
And the "we're doing God's work here" comment...well, here's hoping you're not one of the atheist-libertarians that are so prevalent here.
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I wouldn't trust this administration either.
Which one is the "Big Satan" again?
They're hard to tell apart.
"...Indeed, leaked NSA documents show that U.S. intelligence officials are concerned that the NSA may be putting Israel’s security needs ahead of America’s..."
Like the NSA is our biggest problem. Republican congressmen put Israel's security needs ahead of America's. The Republican congress can't wait until Obama leaves and they can wage a war with Iran unhindered by his meddling.
The congressmen involved should be identified, arrested and tried for felony treason unless they identify the Israeli agents that gave them the intel. Dual-citizen members of Congress should be recalled by their states, removed from office and banned from political office anywhere in the U.S. FOR LIFE.
Every congressman that ever voted to give Israel American taxpayer money or forgive the fake military aid 'loans' (= free money handouts) should be tried for sedition and felony treason.
Of course: none of the above will ever happen. We may have to employ Plan B: wood-chippers.
P.S. Israel and your little U.S. Congressional bitches: FUCK YOU.
Republican party is not called "The War Party" without reason.
<Facepalm>
Spoken like a truly heart broken Obama-bot, must really suck to be you...lol.
I've never voted Democrat in my life, and never will.
The Republicans (can they give us a definition of that term?) were not a war party until the evil zionists infected their party as Irving Kristol's "Neocons". They have since taken over the entire government. Look at those that are stirring-up shit in various foreign countries such as (asst. sec. of State Victoria Nuland nee Nudelman). First Ukraine and now I think she is in Kyrgistan.
We should remember that it was shortly after Jack Kennedy told Israel that he was adamantly opposed to their getting "the bomb" and they would get no help from the USA he was assassinated. there were many who wanted Kennedy to disappear so it was no problem to get others to do their "wet work". This country has never been the same since.
For more detail see:
https://vidrebel.wordpress.com/2014/11/22/israel-killed-jfk-and-has-rule...
Hey, thisIran thing is the ONLY thing Obama is doing right. credit where due etc.
If he is a muzzie (likely) then he must be pissed at them taking the heat for what the zio's did on 9-11.
NettanYahoo has been trying to get the USA to attack Iran for 20 years because "next week they'll have the bomb".
Israel convinced the GWBush administration that if a nuke went off in Israel or the USA we would automatically conclude that the perpetrator was Iran, and we would "launch". I look for a "false flag" event soon.
Israel wants WWIII because if they can't have it all then the world will have nothing!
Does O'bama have a food taster? The second-to-last thing we need is him as a martyr.
Yeah, I have all the confidence in the world that someone with billions of dollars at his disposal and the smartest minds inside government that couldn't get a fucking website working right can handle non-nuclear proliferation treaties with zealots.
A piece a cake ;-)
The word "Zealot" actually comes from a Radical JEWISH Sect at around 100 B.C - 100 C.E. .. and Jesus was likely(if he ever existed) one of them, the whole Christian Religion is based on their beliefs in Messianic Redemption.
PS. I do not believe the Biblical Jesus ever existed in person, he was likely just an "alter ego" or a purely "artistic persona" being the front for theological teachings, nothing more than a Protagonist would be in any Book, nothing more than "Harry Potter" is or ever was.
In 2000 years, I wonder if people will be debating whether Harry Potter's miracles were real, as exposited by the prophet J.K. Rowling... or were merely written as an illustrative metaphor for the eternal love of The Divine Being?
nmewn, what's a zealot? You don't even know.
...handle non-nuclear proliferation treaties with zealots.
Its like your own little Freudian-slip you freakin' mental case. No one is addressing the arsenal of the nuclear armed zealot state in the MidEast. Your friends are gonna cut you off if you keep bringing attention where they don't want it.
Seriously, why do you love the little piriah entity so much? What's the big attraction for you?
Let me know when you understand what the term Zealot refers to. See, I gave you a hint. Note the capital 'Z'. Good luck.
You've got to be kidding me, thats all you got? I also know what Untouchables mean and it doesn't mean just a black & white TV show based on Eliot Ness, sahib.
So you're good with "religious fanatics" (is that better, does that meet with your highnesses approval?) getting the smoothest path possible to nukes?
And you call me a mental case...lol.
He's a Christian Zionist. When all the 'Jews' get back to Israel, Jeebus gonna come and save his ass. He'll never have to taste death like the rest of us, cuz him gunna be in heaven.
Does that about sum it up, Nmewn? It's ok for Arab kids to get incinerated because you're scared of dying? Or scared of damnation if you don't support racial supremacists Netanyahu & Avigdor Lieberman?
What guys like Nmewn seem not to understand is that the Palestinians are far more 'Judean' by ancestry than most Israelis, who - having been descended from people living amongst Europeans for scores of generations - are (ethnically) far less Semitic. What's that you say? The European 'Jews' only interbred with other Jews all those centuries? Lulz. Do they look like Semites the way the Christian Arabs do? Do you think Jewish women are any more faithful to their husbands than Goy women? I've known quite a few Jewish women. They fuck like rabbits and love 'forbidden' Goy cock. There's a reason Ashkenazis look like Eastern Europeans. The ARE Eastern Europeans!
But his pastor didn't tell him that.
So, biblically-speaking, Nmewn is backing the wrong horse. You'd think the obvious injustice of Israel's creation and on-going existence would alert him to the possibility it's not a Christ-sanctioned project. But, again, that would mean abandoning some cherished nonsense.
The Scofield Bible... one of the Rothschild's better investments.
You people are literally insane.
You have your panties all tied in a wad because the Chinese, Germans, Britains etc had information the US Congress didn't have, namely what is in "a deal" being made between a known, proven liar (Obama) and a nation controlled by lunatics and them wanting "peaceful nuclear power" and when I point out the obvious I'm Jerry Falwell?
Nuthin better than a GW comment thread...lol.
No, Nmewn, my observations derive from years of reading your posts here.
You have told us you are a 'Christian'.
I have yet to see any indication that your support for Israel is anything like conditional. You are Christian, you are Zionist, additionally you display the other characteristics typical of Christian Zionists.
I suppose it's possible that you genuinely believe you are a Christian. But I doubt Jesus will be recognising you on the Day of Judgement. My understanding is he wasn't too fond of people who hurt children; it's unlikely he'll be any fonder of the people who supported giving those child killers the weapons they used to do it.
"But I doubt Jesus will be recognising you on the Day of Judgement."
You now believe you can speak on behalf of Jesus Christ, thats quite an ego you've got goin for yourself.
"My understanding is he wasn't too fond of people who hurt children; it's unlikely he'll be any fonder of the people who supported giving those child killers the weapons they used to do it."
Who are you talking about now, Pashtuns, ISIS, Vikings, Soviets, Palestinians who strap bombs to their own children, what?
I'll tell ya what, you talk to your saintly, blood soaked buddies in Hamas, Hezbollah, Revolutionary Guards etc finding them under whatever rock they're hiding under today and tell them to be a little more discreet with their Qassam rockets and there will be a lot less dead children on both sides.
But you never speak of other dead children, Israeli, Yazidis, Hindu, Christian or otherwise, so save your fake piety and love of all children for your rabid little soul mates here, I need no instruction on morality or religion from the likes of you.
I'll tell ya what, you talk to your saintly, blood soaked buddies in Hamas, Hezbollah, Revolutionary Guards etc finding them under whatever rock they're hiding under today and tell them to be a little more discreet with their Qassam rockets and there will be a lot less dead children on both sides.
Who's the aggressor here, Nmewn? The Arabs who have been there for scores of generations, or the 'Jews' - most of them Europeans - that displaced them, in living memory?
But you never speak of other dead children, Israeli, Yazidis, Hindu, Christian or otherwise, so save your fake piety and love of all children for your rabid little soul mates here, I need no instruction on morality or religion from the likes of you.
But I'm not supporting gifting those people with arms, am I? Or applauding their aggressions. You, however...
"But I'm not supporting gifting those people with arms, am I?"
Is not the topic of Georges article "a deal" that allows Iran to go nuclear without consequence? And is it not disengenous to say Israel spied on the US when they actually spied on Obama's foreign partners (the French, Brits, Chinese etal) and got the information about "the deal" from them?
Its not really a "state secret" when six different nations diplomats know about it, is it?...lol.
'Hello, my name is Satan. This is my brother Satan, and my other brother, Satan.'
Heh. Seems like a nice polite guy...
Ha. Love the Newhart ref. not to criticize but wouldn't have more correct in the quote analogy if you were to say,
I'm Satan, this is my brother Damian, and this is my other brother Damian.
Just a thought. And they don't make shows like that anymore.