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US House Votes 348-48 To Arm Ukraine, Russia Warns Lethal Aid Will "Explode The Whole Situation"
Yesterday, in a vote that largely slid under the radar, the House of Representatives passed a resolution urging Obama to send lethal aid to Ukraine, providing offensive, not just "defensive" weapons to the Ukraine army - the same insolvent, hyperinflating Ukraine which, with a Caa3/CC credit rating, last week started preparations to issue sovereign debt with a US guarantee, in essence making it a part of the United States (something the US previously did as a favor to Egypt before the Muslim Brotherhood puppet regime was swept from power by the local army).
The resolution passed with broad bipartisan support by a count of 348 to 48.
According to DW, the measure urges Obama to provide Ukraine with "lethal defensive weapon systems" that would better enable Ukraine to defend its territory from "the unprovoked and continuing aggression of the Russian Federation."
"Policy like this should not be partisan," said House Democrat Eliot Engel, the lead sponsor of the resolution. "That is why we are rising today as Democrats and Republicans, really as Americans, to say enough is enough in Ukraine."
Engel, a New York Democrat, has decided that he knows better than Europe what is the best option for Ukraine's people - a Europe, and especially Germany, which has repeatedly said it rejects a push to give western arms to the Ukraine army, and warned that Russia under President Vladimir Putin has become "a clear threat to half century of American commitment to an investment in a Europe that is whole, free and at peace. A Europe where borders are not changed by force."
This war has left thousands of dead, tens of thousands wounded, a million displaced, and has begun to threaten the post-Cold War stability of Europe," Engel said.
Odd, perhaps the US state department should have thought of that in a little over a year ago when Victoria Nuland was plotting how to most effectively put her puppet government in charge of Kiev and how to overthrow the lawfully elected president in a US-sponsored coup.
Then again, one glance at the Rep. Engel's career donors provides some explanation for his tenacity to start another armed conflict and to escalate what he himself defines as a cold war into a warm one.
So what will Obama do? As a reminder, the president has been far more eager to sit this one out, and giving Europe the upper hand when it comes to the decision if and when to escalate the proxy civil war in Ukraine. To be sure, the vote puts even more pressure on the Obama administration, which has repeatedly said it was considering providing lethal aid to Ukraine; it just never dared to actually pull the trigger. Several months ago, the Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman General Martin Dempsey said we would "absolutely consider" providing lethal aid, sentiments that were echoed by Defense Secretary Ashton Carter, who said that he was also "inclined" in that direction.
Obama's options may be even more limited after NATO's top military commander General Philip Breedlove said Sunday that the West should "consider all our tools" to assist Ukraine, including sending defensive weapons to areas held by pro-Russian rebels.
For now the president is delaying because according to the State Department, the White House is waiting to see whether the second Minsk ceasefire will hold before deciding whether to deliver lethal assistance.
Ironically, the biggest stumbling block ahead of an outright overture to World War III, may be Hillary Clinton herself. The former SecState, currently embroiled in an e-mail communication scandal, was recently revealed to have been a recipient of some very generous foreign donations into the Clinton foundation: donations where Ukraine was at the very top!
Considering last week's news of a just as dangerous cold war being waged between Obama's right hand (wo)man, Valerie Jarrett, and the Clintons, it is perhaps just as likely that Obama, whose foreign policy team is absolutely abysmal and whose offshore "achievements" can best be described as a disaster, is not eager to get involved in Ukraine not so much to avert the cold war with Russia to turn hot, but to make Hillary's life difficult as she launches her challenge to Obama's favorite populist Elizabeth Warren.
Then again, when it comes to calling the foreign shots, the US president is merely a figurehead, and the real decision-maker has always been the US military-industrial complex. So while Obama may stall sending weapons, he will ultimately get a tap on the shoulder from the gentle folks shown on the table below, who will soon demand something in exchange for their millions in lobby funding.
The prepackaged spin is already ready: "sending weapons to the Kiev government would not mean involvement in a new war for America", claimed the abovementioned Eliot Engel who sponsored the document. “The people of Ukraine are not looking for American troops," Engel said. "They are just looking for the weapons.”
Beautiful. And if weapons the Ukraine wants, the US MIC will be delighted to provide them.
So the only question is how Russia will responds to this escalation: according to RT, "Washington's decision to supply Ukraine with ammunition and weapons would “explode the whole situation” in eastern Ukraine and Russia would be forced to respond “appropriately,” Russia's Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov said at the end of February.
“It would be a major blow to the Minsk agreements and would explode the whole situation,” TASS quoted Ryabkov as saying.
In other words, bullish for stocks - just think of the central-bank monetary paradrops that World War III would unleash.
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"What the fuck does Ukraine have to do with the US in the first place?"
Things can be confusing when you don't see Zion.
The banksters need to repay us.
"Put the glasses on! Put 'em on!"
The US, UK, and Russia (ha!) signed the Budapest Memorandum in which each promised to "provide assistance" should Ukraine ever come under attack following the elimination of Ukraines nuclear weapons.
The US is merely keeping its word, and Russia being a counter party to the agreement shouldn't be surprised.
Rotten cancerous dictates.
All according to plan
YIPPPEEEE !!!!!!!!!!!!!
USA should send ALL weapons, including full range of nukes, too all eastern European nations who want to remain free of Russian gangster invaders.
Hey Slave!
Your butthole's leaking.
RIPS
I knew these guys were crooked, clueless and stupid; I just did not know HOW bad they really are.
It's obvious they stay too long and do not live in the real world.
What a fuckin' joke.
Here's the roll call
http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2015/roll131.xml
Soooooooooooooooooooo how many are dual citizens?
...just askin'
LOL.
Well shit all 3 of the Nevada reps voted for this. I believe the count is 2 Mormans and one Greek orthodox.
Wall to wall blood thirsty psychopathic Jews all over this one! Sure makes me much more sympathetic to the PLO and even 'ol Adolph!
There were psychopathic Jews working with Hitler:
'The Transfer Agreement', by Edwin Black (10 Pulitzer noms)
http://www.transferagreement.com/index.php?page=10197
It's all a battle between the Jewish Left and Right, and the Russians, Chinese and the rest of the world want to stay the hell away from them, as far away as they can get.
Yeah ... There seems to be a pattern established or at least an obvious common denominator!
it defines only jews as humans
When Israel Is Mightyhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YSy6ENVAJlY
"Sure makes me much more sympathetic to the PLO and even 'ol Adolph!"
Actually, Germany and Europe.
I began to study the Nazis when I was about 15 or 16. I was curious where such a monstrosity had come from.
What is very evident from my studies is that the Nazis did not induce antisemitism into Germany and Europe, they just took advantage of it. Even in Mein Kampf, Hitler discusses the prevalent antisemitism in the population and how to manage it so it does not swallow up him or the party. In other words, he was concerned that the people's enthusiastic response to his and the party's antisemitism would ultimately dwarf the rest of his and the party's agenda.
Now don't get me wrong, stars and cattle cars are not the solution. Elimination of Zion's chief instruments of plunder and oppression, fraudulent-reserve banking and big governmnet, followed by trials and Retribution for their and their agents' crimes is.
The banksters need to repay us.
And also of note is that despite what we are indoctrinated with in school, Hitler forced himself and the Nazis on the Germans by way of a 9/11 like false-flag and "Patriot Act" equivalent, the Enabling Act. He never got more than a third of the popular vote. I.e. Hitler and the Nazi foisted themselves upon the German country and people creating a criminal enterprise and nation called the Third Reich.
Don't let the neo-cons foist themselves upon the American country and people.
The hate towards jews was not antisemitism. The Europaen jews were never semits. They rather were khazars who adopted judaism. And the distrust and hate towards the jews in Europe was always present because of how they were always trying to fuck up with regular citizens of the countries. There were stories of grandparents that lived in 20. century, I learned from my grands about that as well, as child I was wondering why was that. Now I know better.
European jews are not semits and have nothing in common with the folks who lived in the middle east. The term antisemitism is just a made-up word for marking those who say openly their opinion on the khazar filth that destroys their land.
We Israelis will NEVER surrender! We WILL fight to the last Americano!
If the USA does this it will be starting war and proves to the world what kind of incompetent buffoons govern the USA
We know that anyway. Keep out of Europe you war mongering racist bastards. Keep out. Everything you touch turns to shit.
Interesting that the average American isn't on any of the lists of sponsors.
Also interesting how they made bribery and institutionalized corruption legal.
The average American is, however, working for these companies. I used to work in "defense", had pockets full of money. Then once I started surfing the net and reading History (the stuff they excluded from the books in school) I started having a big problem with it. I asked a coworker about it and he said ... "well, if I don't do it someone else will" And there it stands. Basically been broke for 13 yrs. now. It's all about the man in the mirror. Either throw in with the "devil" so to speak, or not. It's up to each person.
More power to you, c-fritter. There is a small minority that can look the old man in the eye at the end and say, yeah, I did what needed to be done.
The rest, not so much.
It's a small club, and you're in it.
Thanks, ... my sleeping habits actually didn't change :-) But I know what's right. There are many good people in this world who have helped me the last few years (health declining). People should view their adversary they way they want them to look, and encourage honor in others. It does work, a reaffirmation of the conscience - when the media has done all it can to untether humans from their own heart strings.
thumbs up cornfritter, I walked away from working in a brokerage 5 years ago because I didn't believe in what I was doing. I make about a third to a quarter of what I did and now do manual labour to feed and clothe my family and I have never been happier although my body aches some days.
You should be proud of that decision you made and consider yourself fortunate because there is some sort of karma in the universe (one's subsconscious thoughts and psychological health for example).
@cornfritter - thank you for one of the most encouraging posts I've read on ZH.
This society has been corrupted from top to bottom. People worship the almighty Dollar and it doesn't matter what the consequences are. Many people rely on this nasty system to make a living. This doesn't just include those in the defense industry, military, and police. It also includes all those who are happy to lazily go along with the status quo, as long as they have their big screen t.v., car in the garage, and big house.
Thomas Jefferson warned before the Revolutionary War was over, that Americans would go back to focusing on making money and their comfort, and would slowly lose their Freedom as it was stolen from them. And, he was right.
But it's good to see there are still a few out there with real courage and integrity, like you.
>>>Either throw in with the "devil" so to speak, or not. It's up to each person.
That is indeed the point.
Lobbyists $121,741
That was a tip from the Lobbyists themselves who chipped in for it, aside from the money the other interest paid(who they worked for))
They did it I believe they said because "His Mouth was just so pretty" or something like that.
Can we get a list of the votes? I want to see who the 48 sane members of the house are
Agreed
Just wrote a scathing post on warmongering zionists and Israel on GW's article, and what do I see here? "Pro-Israel" at the top of the list on Campaign donations to Eliot Engel, the architect of this criminal enterprise to re-ignite the war in Ukraine.
I was really hoping not to go to another anti-war demo this year, but this seems to be a recurring theme in my life and the insane world in general.
Very often I read your comments and I respect your thought process. You appear to be a bit of sanity in an insane world.
I wonder sometimes if this isn't all meant to be. What I mean by this is there seems to have been fairly advanced civilizations on this planet eons ago and as we trek through history we know of some that self destructed or vanished and so on.
It may be designed in our collective DNA somehow.
For people of compassion and reason, what is going on today goes beyond common sense. It is no different than a young person choosing to become a kamikaze pilot or suicide bomber. However we are looking at masses who are willing to risk all for something they do not understand or comprehend but they think they do. Wait when the shit hits the fan and bullets and worse are crashing through their living rooms. Then they will feel sorry they hadn't done anything to stop it before it got that far.
Methinks we will see something within 24 months.
Look at the cancer rates in Japan, and the rising cancer rates in the US and Canada. Look at the death of almost all life in the Northern Pacific Ocean.
We've been dying for 4 years, the next 24 months is only more of the same, and more of it.
The shit has already hit the fan. Any war will only be a distraction from the main show.
Hug your loved ones every day.
The ages are planned / negotiated (2000+), what appears chaotic to you, aint. The "royal" bloodlines hack out a rough plan (not that they always work exactly, but generally, at this point especially, I imagine there is pretty good "buy in" across the board). WHat are the religions going to look like, the political heirarchies, new developments ("new business") HEADCOUNT REDUCTIONS are typical for the ends of age. Business cycles where serf labor is harvested are usually agreed upon, etc..
The "New Age" / "NWO" / "Age Of Aquarius" will see a global government, substantial headcount reductions and Life expectancy shortening (Monsanto, AMA/WHO, others), coordinated global central bank, massive funding for the space program, robotics and genetics.
Kings And Queens, The Builders, And The Church(es)
"We've taken care of everything, the words you read, the songs you sing, the pictures that give pleasure to your eye... It's one for all, all for one, we work together common sons, never need to wonder how or why .."
Rush - Temples Of Syrinx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o_K13Znmmxc
I suspect what we are seeing is those 'plans' not working out so well.
After 1,000+ years of careful planning, to see it go down the shitter, well, you can imagine how mad they might get.
I don't see where Israel is a member of the SCO. Are they even invited?
Have to watch and see what Pootie does. The big picture, according to some, is the American take down. There are still sh*tloads of people here that believe they are free, but more importantly, are armed :-) I despise violence, but not self defense... Also, there are captains of industry that still very much love America. So, I'm guessing a slow burn. The Fed is in the process of being gutted (despite the ups and downs) Capital is moving East, thats why all the lovey dovey with China and Russia, whilste we see (I belive intentionally planned) increasingly psychotic bahavior from American leadership. Got to try America in the Global court of public opinion and then require a newly fanged UN to step in to bring them under control. Problem, Reaction, Solution - One World Government for the New Age. They may nuke the whole freakin' nation, or a large part of it :-( But yes, if the FUkishima tragedy is for real, a world that could have easily sustained twice the current population (with good stewardship) will be able to sustain only a small percentage by use of technology for food production (underground/underwater likely).
What the hell does Pro Israel have to do with helping Ukraine defend against a Russian invasion?
When the Russian tanks roll past, would you be there waiving a Russian flag to welcome them?
If Russia was as war hungry as people are led to think, they would have done it awhile ago.
The USA and Nuland started this. The US Congress are lap dogs for Israel as was demonstrated by the visit a few weeks ago. Iran is fighting ISIS. They never invaded another country, yet we keep on with this nuclear weapon bullshit when N Korea, Pakistan, India and everyone else seems to have them and Iran keeps denying it.
What the hell does Pro Israel have to do with helping Ukraine?
Well, the leading Ukrainian oligarchs who are still around and running the insane asylum that Ukraine has become, Poroshenko and Kolimosky are Israeli dual citizens ... What a freakin' coincidence.
The US Congress are lap dogs for Israel.
Actually....it goes a lot higher than that.
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They are both useful methods for grifters to enrich themselves from hysterical responses to imaginary threats.
When I wake in the mornings I first say Thank you Russia for being so patient with the arrogant and belligerent U.S. But I know it can't last. Even the most patient finally have to say... enough!.
dumb and dumber
you outdo yourself with each post.
what a miserable troll you are.
If I lived near Russia, spoke Russian, and was fighting against dual citizen Nazis from Kiev, then yes I would.
Were you just listening to NPR or something?
BTW I downvoted your post. With gusto!
This has always been a war between the people and the banks/mic/network of global corporate control. We do not want their fossil fuel based system of slavery. We have a better way to live.
http://disclosureproject.org/
May those devil incarnate outsiders who have put the citizens of Ukraine up against each other be visited with intolerable pain and suffering in their wretched evil lives!
Amerika bringing death to the door of ignorants and innocents! USSA an immoral country without compassionion or heart or soul!
Okay, so the world is over, america is fascist, and my kid and her kid are probably as good as dead too. So now what? The regime is getting worse every week. Even local governments in small towns are goose stepping all over liberty. Prepare? With what? Many are one payday from being homeless or worse. Not trying to be a downer, but there's really no point in staying informed anymore...the obvious has obviously come and humanity presently is not long from being perma-fucked forever.
Plant a garden. It is revolutionary to produce your own food and nothing from any supermarket can equal the quality of your own, freshly picked. Getting good at it requires experience.
I would advise that you get your soil tested for aluminum levels prior to doing so, at least for an outdoor garden.
Aluminum, it's what plants crave!
Why bother? Aluminum is the second most abundant element in the earth's crust, after silicon.
I am so very sick of this asshole-controlled world where might makes right I welcome WW3. We cannot fight you mother fuckers so lets die together. The human race does not deserve to survive.
Whether we do or do not deserve anything, Fukushima guarantees we're not surviving.
We are very young as species go, and the prevailing cycle is ne of mass extinctions. So you will likely get you wish no matter what. There will be no gods to save us.
So if the US overtly provides weapons to one side, then don't the Russians have cover to overtly (and probably in massive quantities) provide them to the other? How does this NOT escalate? Where are the adults?
Russia has been openly supplying weapons to the rebels from the beginning. Puutie finally admitted it a week or so ago.
And the west hasn't? Man, they name streets after you. One Way.
Nice. :)
No, the US has not been sending arms. Did you read that the Ruskies would be upset if the US changed policy?
Your street is Blind Pig Alley.
I believe what you are referring to is the Voentorg.
Also found in: Acronyms.
Warning! The following article is from The Great Soviet Encyclopedia (1979). It might be outdated or ideologically biased. Military Exchange(in Russian, voentorg), a system of trade designed to serve the commercial and day-to-day needs of military personnel, their dependents, and manual and office workers serving in the Soviet Army and Navy. Military exchanges serve the armed forces in military towns, camps, garrisons, on field exercises, and in the field forces.
The first Minister of Defense of Donetsk People's Republic, Igor Strelkov, reported some positive change in the military-political situation in Novorossia:.
Moscow. And those darling children, incorrigible, spoiled, spiteful punks who deserve a good thrashing with a car aerial or a Hot Wheels® track, have a clubhouse in Vichy DC. And the other kids, cowered into craven obedience by the DC gang for the reward of having their lunch money stolen without an ass kicking to go with it, are in Europe.
Bear with it.
QE didn't work so now we resort to war. I had a hunch back in 2009 when QE started that this might happen.
Damn.
Of course it will. The little ZWO banking cabal has made untold fortunes financing all parties in all wars since at least Napoleon.
Don't worry about this, it looks like Obama is getting cold feet.: Obama Snubs Nato Chief as Crisis Rages.
Obammie does not want there to be a record of someone competent being able to later report "I told you, Obammie, you Dumbass."
Hey Slave!
Your butthole's leaking.
NATO's top military commander General Philatio Manlove said Sunday that he wants to "personally consider all of our troops' tools" to "assess the stiffness of their resolve".
Maybe he has had an attack of common sense.
Time to arm Iran with nuclear capabilities to level the playing field ... So to speak!
Arrogance getting you nothing but killed. We are being extremely arrogant!
Hey!...MY MAIN MAN, what's that smell this time? What?
Say again?...Mass destruction!!...You sure?
Well, afterall, you are, all knowing.
All I smell out of DC and Europe is sulphur.
After we're done liberating all of the oppressed nations on earth,who's going to be left,to liberate us?
The Tea Party never saw a war funding bill it didn't like.
I don't think most of the Tea Party members want this. They've been mostly against the wars and spending from the beginning. The FBI is now told and trained that the Tea Party are the greatest domestic threat to the US. What does that tell you?
I'M 65 YEARS OLD. I CANNOT VERBALIZE THE CONTEMPT I HAVE FOR THESE SELF-SERVING COCKSUCKERS (WITH ALL DUE RESPECT AND APOLOGIES TO MY GAY FRIENDS)! THIS IS A TOTAL FARCE! THE PEOPLE OF CRIMEA ARE FUCKING OVERJOYED AT BEING A PART OF RUSSIA AGAIN. FUCK THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT AND FUCK THEIR MAIN STREAM MEDIA PROPAGANDA ARM!
FUCK!
Wait - you have gay 65 year old friends? Don't their walkers clanking rhythmically together create a fire hazard?
Only if you rub them rapidly...
Chill out. Dont forget "War Is Peace".
In USSA, Main Stream Media Propaganda Arm fucks YOU!
One problem with hating obama is we are left with absolutely insane people in the House of Representatives.
ZWO works in mysterious ways.
I get hope when I see things like this - http://pocan.house.gov/sites/pocan.house.gov/files/wysiwyg_uploaded/Surv...
but then I see reality like this article and lose hope.
It really seems insane.
Only the Israelis are this insanely blood thirsty.
I can see where an alliance between Israel and US military in manipulating US politics would be natural.
I was listening to some asshole radio announcer in Chicago early this morning- Big John Howell was his name. They were talking about all the recnt aviation disasters and he said "you can't count the malaysian airlines that the russians shot down over ukraine". Said it with authority and of course I imagine his sheeple lap it up. The MSM has destroyed america by peddling lies and propaganda. Joe6p is too lazy to search out truth so you have .gov able to do whatever they want. MSM co-opted by DC is the downfall of america. It's over folks
Chicago is a center of the media and politics cesspool in this country. The prez is even from Chicago, sort of.
Dont forget "Orthodoxy means not thinking--not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness."
Well! "We The People" are more in numbers-(let's say 300M)-let's united and form our own lobby groups and start pumping money to avoid this from going further. Even if we apport $5 we can beat them all.
look inward and keep your resolve. this will pass. russia will do the right thing next.
gotta believe he is way moar sane than the crazies in dc. time to castle the king/rook.
If Putin's track record is any guide he's going to back down. Russia is going to do fuck-all once it really comes down to the wire. Ya know why? They're up against the US, and they know perfectly well that the puppetmasters running this shitshow won't hesitate to use nukes. Putin isn't dumb enough to risk nuclear war, and his adversaries would rather rule the graveyard than see their power diminished. He loses by default.
If Putin backs down and saves humanity along with all life he's a coward.
If Putin goes toe to toe and humanity along with all life is destroyed he's a hero.
But you just gotta love the football mentality.
Russia is a huge sparcely populated country. Nuking Russia is going to be more difficult than nuking Amerika.
You're an idiot who knows nothing about Russian character or history. You might actually try reading some of their blogs and news sites and read the commentary.
They see the encroachment by NATO on their borders with anti missiles as a threat to their very survival. Because of this they are pulling together and Putin has an 85% approval rating. If pushed any further, they see no other option than to go to war.
The best way to destroy yourself is to not know yourself or your potential enemy.
D.C. Scores high on both counts.
Maybe you should run for congress.
They're up against the US = pussies
and you a very stupid troll
I downvoted your post. Why?
Because you appear to be completely ignorant of military history and the Russians' record.
If you really want to broaden your horizon, watch this. These people will NEVER surrender to anyone. And Putin will neither. This is his people, his nation and he will never give them away to anyone. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_LqJNuRJKA
maybe, maybe not? The Bolsheviks reportedly slaughtered close to 100M during their tenure (Christians or some flavor thereof) Remember also that the Vatican and Zio are two sides of the same solar cult coin (as is Saudi). The Church is the King Maker in Russia I believe, so the question becomes, is the Eastern Church basically apostate or not? Many people hate religion, but it is a key component in the global power struggle. Remember... {Kings/Queens, The Builders, The Church}.
Eliot (Idiot) Engel (D, NY) is the point front man for AIPAC, American Israeli Public Affairs Committee, a Political Action Committee that should be registered as a foreign government lobby agency. So now it looks like Israel is going to start a war with Russia for America to fight. Engel should be arrested and charged with Treason. This is all American/Israeli Neocon's dragging America down the shit shoot. It is Treason.
And like always Americans are the one getting killed while Israeli community in USofA keep buy buildings and rising up the rent. And please don't tell me Hitler was an evil man.
Hitler was an evil man. He unfortunately now has a lot of competition.
"Engel should be arrested and charged with Treason."
Article 3, Section 3 of the Constitution, "The Law of the Land":
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court.
I am Witness One. Who will be Witness Two?
The banksters need to repay us.
(CAAPL)
In addition to the Four Rs, the American people should be compiling a list, call it the Crimes Against the American People List (CAAPL)?? A list of known pol, crat, functionaries (funcs), and bankster criminals that they are aware of.
Oath violating and treasonous gun and badge thugs, corrupt pols and crats, thieving banksters, etc. should be placed on it. At a minimum, their names, crimes, and positions, should be kept for future reference for accountability, trial, and punishment.
When the DC US finally collapses, these lists can then be used to root out the known criminals that will think that they can hide among their victims--no "Truth and Reconciliation," and no quarter.
Nutty Puutie has threatened to go Nuukie.
That is how deranged dictators react when expansion is restricted. His theory must be that dead Russians are not a threat to him.
Remember Russia has never used a nuclear device.. anytime . .anywhere . .also recall we are in their sphere of influence.. last time that confronatiaon went down JFK was alive and it happened off our shores in Cuba ... its no more right for us to be destablizing Ukraine then for Russia to try and destablize . Puerto Rico .. by the way in the nature of insane remarks.. Gen. Scales.. love that name to Lou Dobbs.. we need to kill some Russians ..they need to start coming home in body bags.... insane .. that is about as insane as it gets... http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=c92_1426100932 Not sure if you are real . or just really contrian to the point of stupid.
Remember Russia has never used a nuclear device.. anytime . .anywhere
You're wrong. They haven't used one in anger, yet.
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=russian+nuclear+bomb+test
When WW3 comes and the USA gets wiped out, then what?
Don't think it will happen with all of the Pentagon's carriers and ultra modern war toys?
Russia showed the USS Donald Cook what they could do. http://nworeport.me/tag/uss-donald-cook/
It is reported 27 officers of the USS Donald Cook wanted reassignment after they discovered the ship was defenses.
There are many articles on this. If they can render a system defenseless, what can a carrier do to stop them?
The problem is the Pentagon is politicized and the government so intertwined with defense contractors, the true defense capabilities are severely compromised.
I don't get wiped out if the Russians destroy the war machine that's near them.
In fact, I think a good defeat would wake up some people. Particulary the type of people who swore an oath to defend the Consititution from enemies foreign and domestic (that would be Obama, dual citizens, and of course CONgress).
If you believe in God, do you think he would administrer some sort of collective punishment for the millions of oathbreakers on active duty at this very moment? LIke a basketball coach making the whole team run line drills because one player wore a hat on gameday?
When the Americans retreated in the Korean war they left enormous amounts of weaponry still in the box.
This artillery (105mm and such) and anti-aircraft weapons (radar guided),was seized by the PLA and transported across China to assist the Viet Minh opposing the re-introduction of French Colonialism in Indochina.
Some of this material was of great value in the battle of Dien Bien Phu (1954) which the French,having lost over 14,000 men and much gear,decided enough was enough and began a diplomatic withdrawal from Vietnam.
The base was in a valley bowl and was to be supplied by air,but this was not to be.
When the Yanks pulled out and turned the mess over to the South Vietnam gov't (1971-2) the North attacked in a conventional military confrontation and an enormous amount of weaponry and material was captured in situ.
The North also seized a great deal of gold bullion held at the airport.
A side effect of the war,inflation,and the scrapping of the Bretton-Woods currency agreements meant that the Gold convertibility anchor was lost,and world currencies have been floating ever since.
More recently the fall of the Shah in Iran saw the instant (quality) arming of a hostile state.Modern aircraft,armored vehicles,radios,Navy,the whole kitchen sink.
More recently the ISIS bunch,with their suspiciously new four-wheel drive pickups,capturing mountains of equipment,much paid for by the US taxpayer (again!).
And then there is those 880 overseas US bases,staffed,salaried,fueled,etc.
I write this because of the recent expulsion of US troops (drones?) from Yemen,and the sabre rattling about the Ukraine,and supplying weaponry to another dysfunctional junta.
I firmly believe the goal of the IMF loans and the military assistance is to enslave a country under the banner of defense of liberty and democracy.Aside from undersea submarine collisions,I don't recall a time when we were this close to a DEFCON 1 situation.All because of a failed policy and now failed reserve currency.
I guess my question is "Wouldn't these funds be better spent on US infrastructure and education?".
Dont forget it was Washington that financed and equipped and bankrolled their Indochina adventure right after WW2.
Here is the bill: https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/house-resolution/162?q=%7B%...
The fact that all of the top "contributes" have an interest in whipping up WWIII is purely coincidental...I'm sure.
Must maintain the illusion of democracy. Otherwise the vote would've been 396 to nothing.
On the bright side ... One step closer to a mushroom cloud over Tel Aviv!
Fucking Congress! Nuff said.
Hey, don't worry. I'm sure our A-Team Cargo Planes will drop it on the Russian side of the line.
The House is Maj Kong. Awesome. I wonder if Biden can pull off a convincing...never mind. He's retarded.
Fire Monkies? Maybe Flying Fire Monkies?
If they shit skittles, then we just found a replacement for the Obama unicorn.
oh for gods sake, what part of "it's none of your business" "leave it be" or ""pull your head in you plonker" don't these people get?
try looking in Ferguson first before you go pouring oil on the fire and pretending you know of any conceivable positive outcome to getting involved in something beyond your understanding, scope or capability.
I wonder how many people commenting on this thread will choose to not vote at the next election. How many didn't vote at the last election or the one before that. Plenty of articles everyday on the Hedge about the FED doing whatever they do, but like the current congress, the only way to stop them is to stop talking about them until they become irrelevant.
Why vote when Diebold does it for me?
There is only one candidate (for any/all offices) I would vote for in the next election, and this is the platform that this candidate would run on:
-No new laws, bills, legislation, taxes, etc- we have enough wrong already from previously passed laws, bills, legislation and taxes.
-No declarations of war, no declarations, period.
-Will work for free, including no perks, meals, expenses, travel, etc.
-No assistants- none, zero.
-No heating or cooling for their office, white house, house of Reps, Senate, etc.
-no perks, retirement, healthcare, burial expenses, etc- none.
Now, you might be thinking that no such candidate exists, but I assure you, you are wrong.
There are many such candidates.
And each and every one of these candidates is light years better than any of our existing or previous candidates.
Allow me to nominate the next President & VP of the US: dog turd for Prez & banana peel, VP.
In fact, any inanimate object would fulfill the entire platform, truthfully, no lies or deception, guaranteed.
And you ask me why I don't vote?
I've known since 2004 our elections were rigged.
I wonder if our soldiers are stupid enough to sacrifice their life and the life of their love ones for the traitors in Washington who by the way have their bunkers ready to shelter their familiies and friends.
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Russia has renovated all her nuclear shelters while our leaders have let us in the dark and in the open battle field.
The US has absolutely lost any moral high ground it ever held, and the rest of the world knows it. Our congress is now in the business of murder for money. I am ashamed of it all.
Silverer- you make that statement as though you didn't realize what the role of the first black Muslim president was all about.
Ketchup!
Ukraine doesn't need congress to arm Ukraine. The CIA has been arming every thug and criminal in the world using their drug money since 1947.
The pro-American government brought to Ukrainians deaths, joblessness, poverty, shortage of food, gas, electricity...
It needs weapons to kill fellow citizens when they revolt against all these, not to defend against Putin's soldiers.
This might help Ukrainian-Jewish background of Eliot Engel and his enthusiasm.........
http://fortruss.blogspot.de/2015/03/how-stalin-played-americans-with.html
They will need to bring back draft quickly. War Is Peace!
The 1980's called, they want their foreign policy back.
-B. Hussein Ogabe.
Now US congress declared themselves officially insane meaning Demreps or other humanoid mutants such as Cruz, an explosive fusion of Wall Street and evangelical paranoia. America is facing one single choice to vote for them or to lock them up in mental institution. First democratic choice since 1788.
Before we start dying or sending our sons and daughters to die for Ukraine however, I suggest reading this:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article41331.htm
and for what we actually will be dying, see here:
https://contrarianopinion.wordpress.com/2015/01/18/ukraine-no-country-fo...
The satanists will try to get their goal a one world govt/religion/currency. Read Revelations. Its all there.
Best thing I have read so far on Ukraine is former US Ambassador to Russia . Jack Matlock .. 1. Ukraine’s most serious problems are internal, not external. They must be solved by Ukrainians, not by outsiders.
2. Ukraine will never be free, prosperous and democratic unless it has friendly relations with Russia.
3. So far, no Ukrainian leader who can unite the country has emerged and all the political parties have their strength almost entirely in either east or west. http://jackmatlock.com/2014/03/ukraine-the-price-of-internal-division/
Matlock .. Russia, as any other country would be, is extremely sensitive about foreign military activity adjacent to its borders. It has signaled repeatedly that it will stop at nothing to prevent NATO membership for Ukraine. (In fact, most Ukrainians do not want it.) Nevertheless, Ukrainian membership in NATO was an avowed objective of the Bush-Cheney administration and one that has not been categorically excluded by the Obama Administration.\\S
Sadly for the world . guy like Matlock are not in charge .. instead we have frothing at the mouth neocon lunatics in charge and a guy in the White House in over his head.... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmP513n78YE The video of his talk about Russia and the US . is worth the time ..
Washington doesn't give a shit. The combined GDP of Washington and vassals is larger than that of China and Russia camp. they believe they can prevail even in a global nuclear war. Totally mutherfuckin crazy.
This is incredibly disturbing news. The only question I have is - where is the safest place to be? Russia or America?
please see below. You need at least a college level reading level for this one:
http://plata.com.mx/mplata/articulos/articlesFilt.asp?fiidarticulo=260
Russian Military Capabilities:
The Russian Topol M ICBM is the world's fastest missile at 21 Mach (16,000 miles an hour) and there is no defense. If launched from Moscow, it can hit Washington or New York City in 18 minutes. It can hit Chicago in 18.6 minutes. and 22.8 minutes to Los Angeles. The Russian submarines and the Chinese submarines can launch offshore the United States striking coastal targets within a minute. The Chinese submarines have surfaced next to United States aircraft carriers undetected....
The prerequisites for MAD are no longer the case as this study demonstrates. It also predicts that we face a very realistic possibility of a major war in Europe within six to twelve months after the Russians complete their defensive missile rollout of S-500 anti-missile missiles which will seal their country off from ICBMs and cruise missiles. (The Russians will only admit as to the S-500 that it will be rolled out in 2016, but informed sources say it is being rolled out now. Also, the fact that the very advanced S-400 is soon being delivered to China implies that they are holding back their operational S-500) The Russians see Brzezinski's effort to destroy Russia step by step from the Balkans, to the eastern expansion of NATO into eastern Europe to the Ukraine. The Russians know that Brzezinski will not be satisfied until all of Russia is dismantled and destroyed as a nation, and therefore they realize they face an existential threat to their very existence. You do not do this to a country unless you plan war and that is exactly what Kerry and Nuland are doing. The loss of Christian Russia to China is the greatest strategic blunder of the west since the 1949 loss of China to Russia but worse as both are more powerful than then. It is natural for Russia not to talk as they are stalling for time until the S-500+ defenses saturate Russia.
Question: "Where is the safest place to be". Answer. Directly under a NUKE. Russia or America it doesn't matter, quick!!!!
Fucking American cunts. lets hope Washington DC is the first place that is levelled
Hmm, any American that is "awake" would agree with you. It's more of a hive of scum and villainy than Mos Eisely.
i will go the military commissariat tomorrow and ask vacancies.Yankees do not know when to stop
Finally! Should have done that much earlier. Next step is to get Ukraine into Nato.
Love seeing Putinobots on here all worked up :D
It's called being ANTIWAR. Go enlist. STFU and enlist. And stop portraying posters here as proRussian. Being ANTIWAR is not ProPutin.
You suck at Trollin.
You will never get my son, you motherfucking, cocksucking MIC.
Hey fascist canukie !
Your butthole's leaking.
Candaian police used tear gas and rubber bullets on students . Is this is your democracy bellend ?
When Fox News, John McCain, MSNBC and Obama agree you know something really stoopid is about to happen.
The elitists don't have any skin in the "great game" going on in Eurasia. The belief that they can win wars by proxy (and here proxy includes the thousands of American military who will be on the ground) is widely held among them.
For all the bad things that have happened to Russia/Soviet Union over the past century, Russia is the second most powerful nation on earth in militarily terms. It is the only power on earth with a reasonable chance of defying the "New World Order"; and its defiance has inspired several other nations to look for alternatives to the NWO themselves. Like Carthage to the Romans, Russia must be beaten and broken before its revival becomes an -what's the iconic term of our times?- an existential threat to the USA.
Unable to confront Russia directly (We don't have the proper mix of military power to fight a ground war with Russia), the USA will be happy to lose Ukrainian lives and spoil Ukrainian resources in its war to weaken Russia. The elitists, who make the money and who use that money to control our government, want this war - plus whatever it takes to break the Russian revival. And once broken, they can get back to the good old days of Yeltsin when they were adding Russia's land and resources to their portfolios at a breakneck pace.
And remember: they will never have to risk a drop of their own blood nor a penny of their own wealth. They will reap profits from the business of selling to the US Government while the war is on-going, They will profit from reconstruction projects when it is over. They will buy up the assets of distressed locals at deep discounts.
And don't forget! This is all necessary to keep America safe and free.
How did you manage to vote for 348 of the stupidest easiest to lead by the nose "folks" in the entire country into the house?
93% of blacks voted for Obama.
The ignorant, the uneducated, and the stupid should not be allowed to vote.
The Founding Fathers knew what they were doing by limiting the privilege of voting.
What about the whites, hispanics and asians who voted for him? You seem to be suggesting that only blacks have those negative characteristics? You're also disregarding the "race" effect of voting for a Presidential candidate who looks like you, especially if there has never been one who looks like you before. i.e. 90% of asians/hispanics would vote for and asian/hispanic prez candidate... dag you're stupid...
Only around 35% of whites voted for Obama and the majority were women, youth and homosexual... I think the original post was right on target.
And who voted predominantly for Dubya?
Only Germany,France can prevent WW3. Europe has to stand up to the US. The UN is now just a waste of time and money .Germany France need to make the threat to pull out of NATO If the US arm Ukraine. The US needs to be told to keep her nose out where it isn't wanted. The rest of Europe is spineless, they let the US run roughshod over them. It has to be clear now that the Lunatics have taken over the asylum .
Yeah but they might lose another airliner.
USA IS INSANE BY PAUL ROBERTS
Now let me see. The United States congress and all their ilk have decided that they've had enough with Russia and have voted to arm the ukraine because of all the death and carnage that they themselves have caused to occur.
However, the USA fail to mention that over a million people have directly or indirectly been murdered just in Iraq alone. Lybia's complete destruction as a country should not be forgotten, Egypt should not be forgotten, Yemen, Afghanistan and so on and so on. Millions of people have been uprooted because of this insane country called USA.
Then they develop ISIS and other rebel groups and arm them to the teeth. They then step back and let it fester and now look at what we have. These imbecile Americans have to understand that you don't go into a country and murder people to save them. The Middle east would be better without the Americans. Paul Roberts is right when he calls his own country insane.
They then ask us to forget about everything and then this freak palace they call the congress has voted to arm the Ukraine. To hell with Europe these Yankee freaks say. Personally, I hope Europe stands up and makes peace with Russia. Then tell the Americans to take all your toys and go home.
Perhaps, they will tell them to do so when the economy implodes or will it be too late and we do it when the atomic bombs are hurled back and forth.