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"Damaged" Black Box Holds Only Hope For Explanation Of Germanwings Mystery Crash

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"Seeing the site of the accident was harrowing," said Lufthansa's CEO yesterday after the mysterious crash of the Germanwings Airbus A320 with 150 people aboard as local reporters said of the scene, we "can't even identify anything that looks like a plane.". But today, investigators are no further forward in understanding the reason for the unexplained accident. As NBC News reports, some Germanwings crew members have refused to fly until an explanation is found and the discovery of the "slightly damaged" black boxes is hoped to hold the key to explain the lack of communication from the crew, rapid descent, and apparent cessation of the un-override-able fly-by-wire auto pilot.

"It's a difficult operation, the terrain is so rough," Cazeneuve's spokesman Pierre-Henry Brandet told NBC News. "We will take all the time necessary," he added, saying those who had flown over the site "can't even identify anything that looks like a plane."

The aircraft was traveling at 430 mph when it crashed and its impact was "very hard," according to Jean-Paul Troadec, former head of France's Bureau of Investigation for Aviation.

NBC reports...

 

And the plane's flightpath...

 

For now the cockpit voice recorder tracks all conversations between the pilots as well as any noises in the cockpit has been found... but is heavily damaged

The potentially more important flight data recorder, which has not yet been recovered, captures 25 hours' worth of information on the position and condition of almost every major part in a plane.

And, as Bloomberg notes, investigators probing the cause of the Airbus crash in the French Alps on Tuesday will rely on the jet’s so-called black boxes to explain why it was lost on a routine daylight flight with no distress signals from the crew.

Search teams continue to scour a debris field strewn across mountain slopes for the A320’s flight-data recorder after retrieving its cockpit-voice recorder yesterday. The two devices will be analyzed in Paris by the BEA air accident investigation authority, which plans to hold a briefing this afternoon.

 

The fortified boxes, actually painted bright orange to facilitate retrieval in the field, should give investigators a fuller picture of an accident’s cause when used in concert. One records sounds from the cockpit, with the other providing a wealth of technical parameters to help build a second-by-second account of the flight from takeoff to impact with the ground.

 

The Germanwings tragedy, which claimed the lives of all 150 people on board, has perplexed experts because the aircraft had only just settled into cruising altitude when it began an unauthorized descent, while still following its flight path.

 

There was no communication with the flight deck despite several attempts to make contact from air traffic control on the ground, suggesting the pilots were either busy trying to salvage the plane or were incapacitated and unable to respond.

 

"It is a highly unusual event,” said David Learmount, head of air-safety at Flight Global Group Inc. “For a modern short-haul airliner to develop -- in the cruise phase of flight -- problems the crew cannot deal with is almost unheard of.”

 

The A320, a single-aisle jet that’s the backbone of many global fleets, was heading from Barcelona to Dusseldorf, having flown to the Spanish city earlier in the day. Germanwings is the low-cost arm of Deutsche Lufthansa AG, and the airline has never had an accident that has claimed the lives of all those aboard.

 

“For us all at Lufthansa and Germanwings, let me say that it’s simply inexplicable how a technically flawless airplane with two experienced Lufthansa pilots, how such a flight can turn into such a tragedy,” Lufthansa Chief Executive Officer Carsten Spohr said today at Frankfurt airport, adding that the carrier “will work with high pressure” to assist in the probe.

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Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:09 | 5924800 observer007
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#4U9525

Terror?

Germanwings won't release details of passengers on flight 4U9525 until all relatives have been contacted.

Investigators have not been able to work out what caused Flight 4u9525 to crash

latest:

http://tersee.com/#!q=4u9525&t=text

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:09 | 5924813 smlbizman
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they were right....orange is the new black...

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:14 | 5924834 Thirst Mutilator
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'jumpsuit' orange ~ brings a whole new meaning to 'jump you fuckers'

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:16 | 5924847 max2205
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Any reports of nail guns?!

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:22 | 5924874 Haus-Targaryen
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I've been following this pretty closely -- 

My guess -- something in the air intake system malfunctioned for breathing at pressure and exhaust started getting diverted into the cabin.  It explains the "controlled" decent as the pilots started the descent, but passed out before issuing a distress signal.  Likely everyone was dead before the plane hit the ground.

Here is a video -- its got some English in it but its predominatly German, so for my German speaking friends on ZH, its interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kEY2j09Io7M&app=desktop 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:37 | 5924925 Cognitive Dissonance
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From the article....

"For now the cockpit voice recorder tracks all conversations between the pilots as well as any noises in the cockpit has been found... but is heavily damaged"

While it appears to be heavily damaged, the circular section seen in the article above is all that matters in retrieving information. It most likely contains solid state memory and is heavily insulated for fire and impact. I suspect they will have no problem getting information from the voice recorder and from the other 'black box' containing flight information such as cockpit equipment settings and readings, engine performance and so on.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:40 | 5924951 negative rates
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It's FBW incident, this way no humans can be found at fault with a crash, no pilot error, just a plane insurance write off, pun intended. 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:57 | 5925025 Haus-Targaryen
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French Fighter Jet scrambeled to make contact with the GermanWings aircraft, and apparently watched what occured; 

 

http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/aerotelegraph/article138770073/Kampfjet-st...

 

Breaking on die Welt 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:04 | 5925317 BLOTTO
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I cant find any pics of bodies?

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Remote controlled crash at high rate of speed?

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Anyone?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:40 | 5925475 Publicus
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Plane was hacked.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:56 | 5925557 Bananamerican
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a Lusitania moment when it's revealed Putin was behind it?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 12:45 | 5925751 redpill
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Why don't they include RFID tags in the black boxes to make them easier to find?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 12:34 | 5925697 TwelveOhOne
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It took the plane 8 minutes to crash.  Just how quickly is a fighter jet scrambled?

I have a suspicion that the story is to cover up the jet being there for some other reason...

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 13:11 | 5925874 Analyse2
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Anyway it seems far more rapid than the interception in September 2001, by super-fighters  - which were still not there for hours after the attacks ...

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:47 | 5924964 Haus-Targaryen
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Yeup.  

I suspect a normal flight until leveling off, then 30 seconds or so of panic.  Thereafter, after the CO2 starts effecting the brain and cutting off oxygen, the brain releases endorphins meant to calm you down and be "at peace" with the situation.  The pilots speech would become slurred at first, then incoherent, and then silence.  Just background noise as everyone slips out of consciousness, and then thereafter passes away as they brains turn themselves off due to lack of oxygen & constantly breathing in high amounts of CO2. 

I sincerely hope this is what happened -- for the victim's sake.  Their last few moments of consciousness -- they would have been relaxed & at peace with what is to come, as opposed to the scenes we have in our heads or what was play out in Lost: (which has kinda become what everyone expects happens -- as wrong as it might be)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuYbd15n5t8 

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:11 | 5925084 PrintemDano
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CO....Not CO2.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:12 | 5925092 Haus-Targaryen
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I stand corrected.  

Understanding the difference in Germany between CO and CO2 on TV can be challenging for a non-native speaker.  

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:29 | 5925157 koncaswatch
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Those aircraft have quick donning oxygen masks for just such a scenario. Not likely both crew incapaitated by CO.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:45 | 5925237 Max Cynical
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This is sounding more plausable...

'If there was sudden structural failure, the reduction in pressure would cause all the gas in the body to expand,' he said.

'The pilots would have been in pain as their ears and guts burst and they would have been extremely disorientated.

'The procedure is to get their oxygen masks on as soon as possible as they would only have a few seconds of useful consciousness without it.

'Then they should have programmed the plane to descend to a random altitude, just to get it going down to where there is thicker air and it's easier to breathe.

'Later on, when things are under control, they should have taken the time to refine the figures so the plane levelled off at about 10,000 feet, where they could remain conscious and continue to fly.'

However, the pilots appeared to put the plane into a steep descent but did not update the figures later, he said. This could be because they failed to apply their oxygen masks in time and lost consciousness.

Time of useful consciousness at 38K is ~15 seconds

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3010610/French-alps-crash-French...

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:53 | 5925283 plane jain
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Interesting. 15 seconds isn't much time for anything.

FOR THE RECORD: The plane peaked out at 38,000 feet, stayed there for ONE MINUTE, and then did it's death dive. That is not long enough to black out everyone from a loss of cabin pressure, or "slowly depressurize the cabin" and once the plane hit 25,000 feet, people would have woken up even if this theory is what happened. It is an obvious hoax theory. The plane was simply not high enough long enough for this theory to hold any water.

March 24 2015

Sudden structural failure seems more plausible.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 12:53 | 5925798 BlindMonkey
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No word on a second debris field though.  

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 13:55 | 5926069 walküre
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Cracks are visible before ever causing "sudden" structural failure. Planes are visually inspected before each take-off. Even at 24 years old, the aluminum structure doesn't just fail to the extent that a big part of the plane breaks off "suddenly".

Weather was calm and there were no major headwinds or other weather related abnormalities that could cause the material defect.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:47 | 5927411 One of these is...
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I dont; think Airbus is made of aloominum.

IIRC They are made of "composite materials" AKA plastic and fibreglass.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:42 | 5924966 Ignatius
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"While it appears to be heavily damaged, the circular section seen above in the article above is all that matters in retrieving information."

Unless the event occurs in the US on 9/11, then it's "we couldn't find it", or "we found it, but we can't tell you the serial number", or "we found it, but we can't read it", or "we found it , but the information is too disturbing for the American public to handle."

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:52 | 5925003 Cognitive Dissonance
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Well.....there is a difference between a sincere investigation and an outright cover-up.

9/11 was most definitely the latter.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:26 | 5925145 Withdrawn Sanction
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Interesting that there was lots of debris from this German flight.  A similar flight/altitude crash (Flight 93 in 2001) produced virtually no debris of any kind.  No landing gear, FDRs, titanium fan blades, nothing.  

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:46 | 5925260 Poundsand
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Funny how we almost immediately know about the two babies on board, but not the religious affiliation of the pilor or co-pilot.  But let me see if I have this right:

Missing Malaysian airliner 2014?  Muslim pilot.

AsiaAir December 2014?  Muslim pilot.

Egypt Air flight 990 1999?  Do I need to say it?

Rainman is going to start changing from Quanta's to whomever doesn't have Muslim pilots

 

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 13:23 | 5925907 Balanced Integer
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I don't know how anyone can junk this post. Muslim pilots are behind the yoke of crashed/disappearing planes at a brisk clip over the past few months. For a site whose members believe in all kinds of conspiracy theory, ignoring this set of coincidences smacks of multicultural political correctness ,taken with a high dose of smack for good measure.

At time of posting, four people have very dialated eyes.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 13:59 | 5926089 walküre
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This Germanwings plane did definitely not have a muslim pilot.

The flight’s captain, whose name was not released, was a 10-year veteran of Lufthansa and Germanwings, Winkelmann said. He had flown some 6,000 hours on the Airbus A320.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 22:05 | 5927847 caboaz
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Why would having a 10 year career mean the captain can't be a muslim?  Who says the 10 year veteran wasn't the guy that was locked out of the cockpit?  Clearly one the pilots was muslim.  We haven't heard the names of the pilots yet because once we do it will be obvious what happened to this plane.  Governments don't want the ensuing panic about air travel to begin just yet...  so they'll drag it out as long as possible and then give us a speech about the 'religion of peace".

 

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:58 | 5925028 mtl4
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No matter what the reason for the crash, some goverment will use this unfortunate situation to their own advantage.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:59 | 5925033 Payne
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smoke and fumes is a normally practiced emergency producure and the flight crew all has independent O2 supplies that will last 30 mins.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:12 | 5925088 Haus-Targaryen
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Yes, I realize this.  However, CO2 is both colorless and odorless.  

Here on Germany TV yesterday, it states that very rarely does an commercial aircraft crash without both human and mechanical error.  

While I am not going to start blaming the pilots - CO2 getting pumped into the cabin would have started taking effect before anyone really noticed.  The "smoke" detectors in the bathrooms would have started going off after a sufficiently high level of CO2 in the air craft, but this is right after the "fasten seatbelt" sign got turned off.  Everyone that needed to pee was baking a B-line for the rest rooms.  

You are definitely correct - voice recorder info should be made public by the news this evening.  Not the recordings, but the a "here is the low down" kinda of situation.  

I am just hoping this is what happened.  A plane full of people falling out of the sky for 8 minutes with everyone on board being conscious -- its just not something I want to think about.  

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:33 | 5926767 lovemesomeZH
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Isn't that what happened to Athens Air?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:11 | 5927253 schadenfreude
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Thanks Haus. I was once on a flight where I smelled the typical burnt oil and there was a blue cloud in the passenger tube. Since then I was aware, but not about the dimension of this.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:25 | 5924882 Omen IV
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NO but this is the event where the USA transfers the German gold - 100% to German vaults just like the Netherlands after MAL flight

 

drone technology works well in passenger airlines....... we XXXXXX some.....folks - AS the man says

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:47 | 5924944 cnmcdee
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Is Germany Cozying Up to Russia?- March 18, 2015

http://theweek.com/articles/544692/germany-cozying-russia

No I guess not..150 killied in Airline 'accident' - March 25, 2015

http://news.yahoo.com/french-media-report-plane-crash-alps-148-aboard-10...

Clearly a NATO message to the German current administration - don't think about playing around..

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:35 | 5924917 fleur de lis
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Jim Stone has more information on the German plane.

http://www.jimstone.is/

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:15 | 5924961 cnmcdee
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A320 remote recovery system used to crash German A320, FINAL ANSWER.

 - Clearly he get's it too...

Son of former Ukraine president Viktor Yanukovych 'drowned in lake'

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/mar/23/son-of-former-ukrainian-pre...

Did someone go out the night before and fracture the ice in a dozen places with a chain saw to make sure the van fell through? - odd that 'drowned in lake' is in 'quotes'..  Learn to read the unspoken language people - things said but not said.  Once you do you'll see the real powers sending messages to each other all the time in a language the real elite will read loud and clear.. Accident? or a message for the Russian's and Putin specifically in the escalating tit-for-tat?

I highly recommend  that people stockpile food and water bug out provisions etc -  this is only getting started...

Once you learn to recognize the language of death between the powers you'll see the real speaking behind the head lines..

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:14 | 5924836 Arnold
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"In the crash of Indonesia AirAsia Flight 8501, the Flight Augmentation Computer, which is a part of the fly-by-wire system in Airbus aircraft, was one of the focuses of investigation. The computer was suffering from maintenance faults over a week before it was suggested that after trying to reset this device, pilots pulled a circuit-breaker to cut its power moments before its crash.[20] "

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 13:04 | 5925837 Kirk2NCC1701
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I'm glad that the Black Box is orange, or it might by Rayciss.

BTW, I'm so glad that physics classes straightened me out on the correct meaning of "Blackbody radiation".

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:03 | 5925052 Boeing Boy
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Obvious what happened here.  Explosive decompression.  Pilots failed to get their oxygen masks on in time.  Completed some of the initial decompression actions,  which placed the aircraft into a descent.  As they lost consciousness, the aircraft continued to descend to the selected altitude then levelled off and accelereated to maximum speed before hitting terrain.

 

Would love to know what the aircraft had been grounded for the day before.

 

replacement windshield??

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 14:04 | 5926116 walküre
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what triggers "explosive decompression"?

no birds at 38,000 feet...

Aircraft was grounded for repairs on front wheel hatches. Nothing that would have compromised the flight or caused the event at 38,000 feet and an hour into the flight when the wheels were up.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 15:48 | 5926524 Boeing Boy
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Catastrophic structural failure, this aircraft was fairly old.  The sequence for rapid decompression is pretty much the same across aircraft fleets.

 

Oxygen masks on (100%)

Communications establish.

Cabin Alt and Rate Check.

If cabin alt control is lost,

Passenger Oxygen select, (O2 masks auto deploy above 14k cabin alt)

Descent establish.

 

For some reason the pilots appear to have selected descent first, I am wondering if a windshield failed on the flight deck.  The sequence above should be followed because of the risk of losingconsciousness.  Apeears the pilots lost consciuousness after establishing a descent.

 

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:06 | 5925068 Lex_Luthor
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It looks like somebody tries to give Germany a lesson...

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 14:06 | 5926128 walküre
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The White House was contacted immediately and they said, they knew nothing. Translation, they and any of their alphabet goons were not involved.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:08 | 5924810 EscapeKey
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...3-2-1 let the conspiracy theories commence...

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:10 | 5924817 Kaiser Wilhelm II
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( Ironic ) According to Barry and Colin Powell, Putin is responsible for the crash of the Airbus...

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:29 | 5924887 Debt-Penitent
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How can we not help thinking conspiracy?

 

Governments have proved they care not for citizens' lives nor morals.

 

I'd be interested in hearing who was on board that flight and was going to "the press" or due to be in court?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:19 | 5925394 TBT or not TBT
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It was an old plane in service to a cut rate airline on a budget tourism route.   

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 13:28 | 5925927 Balanced Integer
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Bullseye!

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 14:06 | 5926130 ebear
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"How can we not help thinking conspiracy?"

When confirmation bias is your operative reflex, you can't.  Still, I'd suggest watching the TV series "Mayday" for some insight as to what can go wrong before making that default assumption.  What that program illustrates is that if something can go wrong, it eventually will.

1. unauthorized personnel works on aircraft, fails to leave record for following shift.  Result.:  crash.

2. Routine washing of aircraft, tape covering essential intake not removed because crew didn't understand the proceedure. Result: crash.

3. Metal fatigue in critical engine support due to damage when improper proceedure used to reinstall engine.  Result: crash.

4. Faulty indicator leads to assumption that landing gear not deployed.  Pilot circles airport trying to establish landing gear status - runs out of fuel. Result: crash.

5. Wrong fuel gauge installed that gives incorrect reading - aircraft runs out of fuel over ocean.  Result: crash.

6. Improper (yet routinely used) landing approach plus misidentification of terrain in couldy conditions.  result: crash.

These are just a few examples from memory - there are dozens more just like it.

Poor training, poor work conditions,, established proceedures routinely ignored, cost cutting, corner cutting, general human stupidity - I'd look at these before assuming some sort of conspiracy.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:33 | 5925182 Crash Overide
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"...3-2-1 let the conspiracy theories commence..."

 

Good thing this flight wasn't anywhere near CERN's LHC as it powered up to it's highest energy capacity yet to create a mini black hole into another dimension, it might have serious unknown consequences if it failed or short circuited.

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3009923/Magnet-short-circ...

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 13:11 | 5925872 Kirk2NCC1701
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FYI, EVERY accident scene, especially if it involves an airplane, is a potential crime scene -- and MUST be treated as such, as a matter of procedure and due diligence.

Securing and treating it as a Crime Scene Investigation (CSI) is SOP. The results and their full analysis will determine if it was a pure accident or if foul play was involved.

If Foul Play was done by "unsanctioned low-life" (aka 'Terrorists') it will be exposed as such. If done by "sanctioned low-life" (Special Ops or NGO Contractors), it will be whitewashed by Gov insiders. Same as always in the last 8,000 years.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:12 | 5924826 Larry Dallas
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This is terrible. I am sad for everyone's loss here.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:16 | 5924845 Kaiser Wilhelm II
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+1

I have an enormous sorrow for the families of the young high school students which were in a school exchange between Spain and Germany,

And also for the families of the two babies which were on the ill-fated plane

May they rest in peace

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:48 | 5925266 usednabused
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WHy Larry and Kaiser, were you both appalled and did you leave condolences for the millions of Iraqi's murdered by the US? How about for the 750,000 children that Madeline Albright said were acceptable deaths? I have a real hard time seeing the difference between German, US, Iraqi, Vietnamese, or whose ever life it may be. But obviously theres a lot of people who can see big differences...

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:24 | 5925401 Kaiser Wilhelm II
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@ Usednabused

 

I hope that you realize the absurdity of what you said.
You realize that if we followed your logic, we should  almost give at each second our condolences for those who died at the moment I wrote to you on our planet?

Of course that I'm angry and sad when I hear Madeleine Albright ( this f*cking Khazar-Talmudic whore ), I'm sad for the childrens of the Middle East, Asia, Africa.

But I react to an event that has just occurred, not to an event of the past.
( I could myself too play this game, but we the French - yes I'm French :-) , we know what costed to us the policy of the " eternal repentance " ... The trick does not work anymore with us ;-) )

 

So please don't ask this to me, but to Madeleine Albright, to Barry, to Powell... ( I'm pretty sure that you already know them ;-) )

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 12:27 | 5925671 schadenfreude
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Nice name for a french

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 13:25 | 5925906 Kirk2NCC1701
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Kaiser Wilhelm II: "And also for the families of the two babies which were on the ill-fated plane"

Kaiser, I share your sentiments. But...

At the risk of sounding indelicate or 'irreverent', they will be "Resting in pieces". Not that it makes a difference to them, but seems to make a difference to the living.

More to the point... I have to call you out on BS or social hypocrisy for giving "the families of the two babies" special status. If anything, it's more painful to lose a teenager (with whom you have far more memories and shared experiences) than with an infant. That's right up there with "Baby On Board" stickers in cars: social conditioning. So please spare me the socially-correct BS.

But, to reiterate, I do feel for the families who lost loved ones -- regardless of age.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:12 | 5924828 Vinividivinci
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It flew too close to CERN and was affected by the magnectic field that the LHC created?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:22 | 5924871 Savvy
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As I understand it, CERN is expected to start up today.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:05 | 5925061 Vinividivinci
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As I understand it, they fired up the LHC on the 23rd and had a short-circuit occur on the 24th (same day as the Airbus crash).

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:45 | 5925252 Savvy
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Really. Well isn't that interesting.Sho 'nuff

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-32038186

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:29 | 5925163 papaswamp
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Min-black hole. Who knows where those fuckers will turn up.
http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/mini-black-holes-large-hadron-collider-could-pr...

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:13 | 5924830 Serfs Up
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Well, at least the plane did not bury itself neatly into it's own hole in the ground.  

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:19 | 5924861 DeadFred
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It's well known that such things happen during high speed crashes. I wonder why it didn't happen this time?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:34 | 5924924 Ralph Spoilsport
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It hit solid rock at 430 MPH.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:32 | 5925177 cnmcdee
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I can see that - pieces of the thing are like splattered over the entire mountain range..

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:34 | 5925188 Ace Ventura
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Yes but according to our betters....this means all traces of the aircraft should first melt into high-speed slag before vaporizing into ethereal nothingness. With the exception of certain ID cards, passports and such, of course.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:24 | 5925407 TBT or not TBT
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Oh plenty of shredded body parts were found and DNA matched.   

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 13:20 | 5925902 e_goldstein
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They're lucky the mountain didn't melt.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 14:15 | 5926171 walküre
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.. and collapsed into its own footprint!

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 13:29 | 5925932 Kirk2NCC1701
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As opposed to hitting solid reinforced concrete at the Pentagon at 430 MPH, which causes a nice, clear outline.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:13 | 5924831 NOZZLE
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Explanation, 25 year old AIRBURST with 47,000 cycles = disaster waiting to happen. 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:13 | 5924835 serotonindumptruck
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The release of some kind of anesthesizing gas could be one possible answer.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:17 | 5924837 fiftybagger
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Ahhhhh, the mysterious black box, that either:

 

* never works

* got lost

* was inconclusive

It's all theater.  I think I'm in the wrong business.  I should be making black boxes!

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Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:15 | 5924838 youngman
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Still strange the pilot never made any call......in 8 minutes...

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:22 | 5924873 LasVegasDave
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incapacitated due to fire/lack of oxygen

killed by muslim terrorists

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 13:51 | 5925083 Colonel Klink
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I blame the Jews, they're much worse terrorists anyways.

EDIT:  This post was made specifically to counteract Lasvegasdave's post.  Since he's a known muslim hater, and anti-semite.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:30 | 5924876 Callz d Ballz
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They either had rapid decompression at cruise knocking everyone out before they could don O2 or had a combo catastrophic electrical failure leaving the fly by wire and comm inop.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:42 | 5924962 Truly Inspiration
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Pilots are specially trained on rapid decompression

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:53 | 5924986 Callz d Ballz
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Agreed, but it still happens, albeit rarely, in some cases whether it's lack of execution or complete inability to execute due to circumstances.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1999_South_Dakota_Learjet_crash

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 14:20 | 5926198 walküre
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what you're describing sounds like a total mechanical cluster fart!

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:29 | 5924894 JamaicaJim
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The TOP TEN REASONS WHY THE PILOT DIDN'T SPEAK FOR EIGHT MINUTES....

10. WANTED TO CREATE HIS OWN CONSPIRACY - BUT REALIZED TOO LATE HE WAS THE "STAR' OF IT.

9. GARGLING IN THE MASTER PILOT BATHROOM/GLORYHOLE

8. NOT BILINGUAL - FLUMMOXED AS TO SWITCH TO ISS TOWER FOR LANDING

7. HOT COFFEE SPILL IN CROTCH LEFT ABILITY TO SPEAK AS BALLS WERE BURNING

6. CHATTING UP PASSENGER IN ROW 8D

5. WAS RIVETED BY IN-FLIGHT MOVIE; "AIRPLANE"

4. CHOOSING HIS HOOPS BRACKETS - AND GOT THE FOOTBALL LINE UPS MIXED IN WHILE CRUISING ON AUTO-PILOT. CO-PILOT JACKING OFF

3. RE-CREATING WWII BOMBER WITH ENGINE ON FIRE DESCENT FOR SHITS AND GIGGLES - MAKE THE PASSENGERS "APPRECIATE HIM"; COULDN'T PULL OUT.

2. ISL METER FUCKED UP - THOUGHT HE WAS AT 25,000 FEET.....AT GROUND LEVEL

1.............THE HELEN KELLER SCHOOL OF FLYING IS BACK IN THE AIR!

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:36 | 5924936 WakeUpPeeeeeople
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Cockpit crew was too busy kissing their ass goodbye.

ScareBus- guaranteed to take you to the scene of the accident.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:29 | 5924898 Doubleguns
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AND never responded to calls. Experienced piots, no calls or responses....that says something. Just not sure what. 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:43 | 5924971 negative rates
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Musta been on some good stuff, like a falling dream from which you do not wake.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 12:46 | 5925758 TheReplacement
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You too would find it hard to make a call if your transmitter were disabled.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:18 | 5924854 roadhazard
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I know I'm on the edge of my seat wanting to know whats in the black box...not. Planes fall out of the sky, trains derail, cars crash. That's life & death.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:27 | 5924859 valley chick
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8 mins is a long time in which communication could have been made by the pilots. Like MH17 and Airasia where black boxes were found, I doubt we will ever know. Generally people have the attention span of a gnat and will soon be forgotten. Now back to March Madness and the sweet sixteen.....

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:20 | 5924866 Lmo Mutton
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In other news obamma meets with satan to discuss NWO....

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:27 | 5924888 Hannibal
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US Laser Test Destroys Germanwings Airliner Killing 150 Innocent Civilians

...... dispatches from the Northern Fleet (NF) appear to show that yesterdays downing of Germanwings Flight 4U 9525 in southern France yesterday was the “direct result” of a failed US Air Force test of its High Energy Liquid Laser Area Defense System (HELLADS) attempting to shoot down an ICBM reentry vehicle, but which, instead, destroyed this civilian airliner killing all 150 aboard.

...the Northern Fleet, which is already on full combat alert, was alerted to this incident yesterday by the Severomorsk submarine chaser, currently operating in the Mediterranean, who reported that widespread atmospheric electrical anomalies over southern France, western Italy and southwestern Switzerland were being detected.  The area where these detections were made by the Severomorsk, this report notes, also happens to be the combat operational area of the US Air Forces 510th Fighter Squadron operating out of the Aviano Air Base in Italy.

http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1852.htm

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:28 | 5924891 ArgentDawn
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Sorcha Fail

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 13:32 | 5925948 Kirk2NCC1701
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So glad it wasn't Chekhov letting loose a photon torpedo.
"You how those Russians can be", Starfleet keeps telling me.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 14:23 | 5926210 walküre
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did the laser blind the pilot? utter hogwash. there was no explosion in mid air.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:28 | 5924890 ArgentDawn
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Casualties of electronic warfare. That maglev will getcha

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:33 | 5924918 'argar the 'orrible
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The words we "can't even identify anything that looks like a plane.". are very telling, an explosion from the inside would do that.

My commisserations to the families, may the dead rest in peace.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:34 | 5924922 justsayin2u
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Only an autopilot flies a plane so neatly into the ground so some fault led to the autopilot causing the plane to descend.  That could be an erroneous stall indication resulting in descent to gain speed, could be altitude indicators gone bad, etc.  Issue will be what one is non-overrideable by the pilots.  Probably not a big concern for US jets where pilots are trusted more than Eur jets where the regulations and computers are trusted more.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:46 | 5924977 City_Of_Champyinz
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My father was an airline executive, he had a video of some of the earliest Airbus test flights where the computers took control and the pilots were unable to fly the aircraft...You should have seen insane moves those planes were performing, they just kept doing loops and shit like that over and over again, luckily they were able to wrest control from the computer and land the plane. 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:06 | 5925067 taketheredpill
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Would love to see an A320 do a loop and NOT see the wings come off...Feck Off.

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:16 | 5925101 City_Of_Champyinz
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:59 | 5925310 steelrules
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Only if you suspend gravity.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:33 | 5925180 City_Of_Champyinz
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A loop that has a diameter of 2-3 miles will not rip the wings off a passenger plane, hate to break it to you....You are probably thinking about an airshow demonstration where a bi-plane does really tight loops at low altitude.  Apples and oranges, feck off yourself.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:45 | 5925254 Ace Ventura
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Dude. A computer simulation? C'mon man. If you truly believe an A380 can do a full loop like that immediately after wheels leave the runway.......wow.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:05 | 5925059 taketheredpill
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Pilots did not respond to ATC calls.  Why?  Likely they were not concious or else a deliberate refusal to respond (one pilot dead, other suicidal)?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:37 | 5925211 Withdrawn Sanction
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Previously referred to in the US as "Flight Termination System," FTS is a flight control software/hardware system, as I understand it, that can remotely take control of an aircraft so equipped (much the same way drone operators remotely control drone aircraft).  The purpose is to prevent pilots from flying the aircraft, and instead allow ground personnel to assume control, land the aircraft, and let security personnel swarm the plane--as in a high-jacking incident.  It also disables radio communications even intercoms w/in the cabin.  Boeing has since replaced FTS w/its own variant, but it accomplishes essentially the same thing.  I wonder whether Airbus aircraft have similar systems aboard.  

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:44 | 5927201 PhilofOz
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Makes me think of BHUAP with planes flying into buildings, disappearing forever over the horizon or unexplaibly fying over warzones and being shot down.....

The The Boeing Honeywell Uninterruptible Autopilot is a set of sub-routines in post-1995 Boeing 
aircraft (termed the Unauthorized Flight Detector), aimed at defeating attempts at skyjacking by 
removing electrical power from the flight deck, and irrevocably passing pilot authority to the 
autopilot and navigational computer for an automated landing at a safe airfield which can deal 
effectively with the incident. 

Contents [hide] 
1 System 
2 History 
2.1 Earlier Precedents 
3 Background 
4 References 
System[edit] 
In a hijack situation, as per the patents' texts and Pilot Authority flow diagrams, BHUAP can 
remove all power to the cabin and cockpit. The Aircraft Information Management System (AIMS) 
will still function normally, either through executing a programmed emergency flight plan, or by 
opening an RF data link to an external source (via the Mode S Transponder) to receive direct, 
remote flight management system instruction, or an up-linked flight plan transmitted to the 
aircraft. The AIMS has direct control over the flight surfaces through the redundant Flight 
Control Computer directing the actuator controls, and together with the navigation computer and 
autopilot, requires no pilot input to fly and land the aircraft at a location suitable for 
resolving a hijack situation. 

What is referred to as the "Unauthorized Flight Detector" in the patents lies within the 
software of the Line-replaceable units making up the Boeing-Honeywell AIMS system at the heart 
of Boeing aircraft manufactured after 1995, and it is programmed with the software routines that 
monitor for the emergency circumstances on which to initiate the Boeing Honeywell 
Uninterruptible Autopilot. 

History[edit] 
In response to Civil Case 3:07-cv-24 at District Court, District of North Dakota on 27 February 
2007, Boeing issued a statement to reporters documented on the 3rd March 2007 admitting to the 
existence of the Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot.[1] The Boeing patent is US7142971B2, 19 Feb 
2003 System and method for automatically controlling a path of travel of a vehicle.[2] 

As early as 2005, Boeing’s preferred avionics supplier, Honeywell, was reported to be talking to 
both Boeing and Airbus about fitting a device aimed at preventing a 9/11-style hijack. On the 16 
April 2003, Honeywell filed patent US7475851B2 Method and apparatus for preventing an 
unauthorized flight of an aircraft.[3] Airbus and BAE Systems, had been working on the project 
with Honeywell. Development sped up after the September 11, 2001 attacks.[4] 

Earlier Precedents[edit] 
Despite the public admissions by both Boeing in 2007 and Honeywell in 2003, the technical 
evidence shows that the Uninterruptible Autopilot has likely existed in the software of Boeing 
and Airbus aircraft since before the 2003 patent application dates, in fact back to the 
introduction of AIMS-1 in 1995. 


In late 1996, a laptop and a Mode-S Transponder was used by a Dalfort Aviation Services Engineer 
on a Grenough Airlines Boeing 757 to initiate the BHUAP system and take Uninterruptible control 
of the autopilot during an autopilot return to service flight test (weight off wheels and 
autopilot receiving simulated air data). The witness, an Avionics Technician named Wayne 
Anderson, was aware that the means by which the aircraft was being controlled and the AIMS power 
supply did not appear on the type wiring diagrams, and the Autopilot continued to operate even 
after they had turned off all the available circuit breakers.[5] 

Wayne Anderson explained that the engineer was able to change autopilot settings such as 
heading, speed and altitude simply by up-linking new values to the Flight Management System at 
will, the aircraft’s autopilot system received the new settings and took action to accomplish 
them. 


Former German Defense Minister Andreas von Bülow, in a January 13, 2002, interview with the 
newspaper Tagesspiegel, noted, “There is also the theory of one British flight engineer and 
according to this, the steering of the planes was perhaps taken out of the pilots’ hands from 
outside."[6] 

Andreas von Bülow continues "The Americans had developed a method in the 1970s whereby they 
could rescue hijacked planes by intervening into the computer piloting, the electronic flight 
system. This theory says this technique was abused in this case.” Von Bülow was referring to the 
23rd of October 1970, Tool O K Incorporated patent US 3749335 A Autopilot system controlling 
entry of a craft into forbidden zones[7] 

The British flight engineer Von Bülow mentioned is Joe Vialls. In 2001, Joe Vialls’ article 
“France, Russia, Germany Responsible for 9-11” discussed the Boeing Uninterruptible Autopilot. 

Vialls' writes “During early 1995, Boeing sales experienced an unconnected but serious internal 
problem in Europe, though the details were never made public. The German flag carrier Lufthansa 
discovered that its new Boeing 747-400 aircraft had been fitted with flight directors [auto- 
pilots] that were vulnerable to American remote-control, ostensibly designed to “recover” 
hijacked aircraft whether the hijackers wanted to be recovered or not. Lufthansa was not 
informed about this “free extra” in advance, and was furious that its sovereign aircraft might 
be covertly “rescued” by America, without the knowledge or permission of the German Government." 

"In a mammoth operation rumored to cost in excess of $800 million, Lufthansa stripped every 
flight director out of every Boeing in its fleet, replacing them in total with German systems 
programmed by the Luftwaffe [German Air Force]. According to a member of the German internal 
security service in Frankfurt during October 1996, all Lufthansa aircraft had by that date been 
secured, rendering them invulnerable to remote flight director commands transmitted by any and 
all American authorities. Under the new intelligence protocols, Russia and France were made 
aware of these flight director risks.”[8][self-published source?] Joe Vialls (1944 – 17 July 
2005) was a former member of the Society of Licensed Aircraft Engineers and Technologists, 
London as well as a journalist, author and private investigator. 


Wed, 03/25/2015 - 09:39 | 5924946 Truly Inspiration
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38.000 feet is usually not the Flight Level often used for flights within Europe, except you have some weather constraints. That level is really close to the operation limit of the A320 with 39.100 feet.

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 14:26 | 5926221 walküre
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not true

higher elevations are key to operate on less fuel

less friction will also preserve the material at that altitude

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:03 | 5924982 taketheredpill
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1) Structural Failure (ala Hiawaian Air) that caused rapid decompression?  Unsure how this could happen without pilots having time to get masks on?  If very rapid then structural failure would have impacted flight....

Seems like Pilots were OUT, and autopilot took them down fairly fast, which looks like loss of cabin pressure.  Autopilot wouldn't care about mountains until it was too late.

2) Some sort of Gas leak from storage compartment?  Fire in storage that released some sort of gas?  But it wouldn't be instantaneous, so pilots would have a chance to send some sort of message...

3) Inside job?  Pilot locks door, kills co-worker, and puts plane into mountain trajectory, but not so fast that rest of cabin crew would try to get into cockpit?

4) Hack? Pilots would still have been able to calls from ATC...

 

 

5) Instead of a bomb in storage compartment what about a gas bomb?  Like the old movies where the convict is in the chair and they drop a bag of something into a bucket and cyanide gas comes out.  A suitcase that has 2 bottles and is designed to mix some stuff....

 

Going with 3) and maybe 1) and possibly 5).

 

 

 

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:05 | 5925063 T-NUTZ
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"can't even identify anything that looks like a plane."

 

I haven't heard anything like this since flight 93 Shanksville.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 15:10 | 5926392 mastersnark
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I can hear the DC apologists now: "See? Proof! It is possible for a plane to atomize on impact!"

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:07 | 5925073 Vinividivinci
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"Dying is easy, it's living that scares me to death"...
Best line from a song by Annie Lennox.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:23 | 5925081 papaswamp
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Found the second box with the data chip missing.... Hmmmmm
https://twitter.com/airlivenet/status/580732959193473024

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:11 | 5925086 Motasaurus
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Hand those things over to the Dutch. They'll make sure the records get released to the public with a full, open investigation...

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:19 | 5925114 Mike Masr
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Putin did it. Russian missile launched from Donbas. LOL

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:19 | 5925119 Mr. Jingles
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Us air force were trying to shoot down the IcBM they fired from California in orbit with a wide angle laser and when they shot the laser the air liner was in the way. It was a war game pointed at russia

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:20 | 5925120 Vinividivinci
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Wigner Effect...Leuren Moret explains how high altitude radiation from Fukushima is killing airline personnel and causing planes to disintegrate.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:56 | 5925298 Withdrawn Sanction
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Thanks for that.  Was trying to recall the name of the effect....a variant of metal fatigue induced by neutron radiation. 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:22 | 5925129 bullchit
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First report I read yesterday said "Mayday sent 47 minutes after takeoff, crashed 37 minutes later". Looking at the map supplied, that meant the plane crossed over the French Med. coast and over at least 4 international airports.
Today? No mention of any Mayday. This is crap.

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:26 | 5925148 PrintemDano
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Was the pilot a recent convert to the religion of peace?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:48 | 5925261 steelrules
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My sympathies to the families. And now a question: any bankers on this plane?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:49 | 5925268 Deflationist
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Airbus Mafia hand over investigation to NTSB. You have lot of explaining to do for Air Asia and this incident. 

Kim Jong Il was right to always take a train and not use any Airbus or Boeing. 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 13:06 | 5925851 Joebloinvestor
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They almost got him when they blew up the train station.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ryongchon_disaster

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 10:49 | 5925270 Truly Inspiration
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The French air traffic control (DSNA) just released officially a report to the German air traffic control (DFS).

10:30 Flight 4U9525 confirms transponder code GWI18G

10:31 Flight 4U9525 start decending without clearance

10:31 - 10:35 DSNA tries to contact Flight 4U9525 several times, also on the emergency frequency - in vain

10:35  DSNA declares DETRESFA Distress Phase and triggers the alarm at the international centre of save-and-rescue.

10:36 Final attempt to contact Flight 4U9525 by DSNA

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:00 | 5925316 miker
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Unfortunately, the most obvious conclusion is that one of the flight crew, quickly killed the other (slashed throat) and put the plane in a controlled (quick but not too quick) descent into granite.  

Controlled decsent so as not to alarm passengers and have cell phone calls, etc.  

Probably will find out flight crew member recent convert to something.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:28 | 5925421 durablefaith
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Who was on the plane will be as telling as black boxes.

Michelle's florist? Iranian nuclear scientists? Auditors and weapons inspectors?  

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:38 | 5925473 crzyhun
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Can you spell Lockerbiee in three, two, one?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:48 | 5925519 FeralSerf
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An obvious theory is that some party on the ground took over control of the aircraft from the crew and directed the autopilot descend. The ability to communicate with the aircraft must have been taken control of as well.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 11:50 | 5925522 thecrud
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We cant go a month without a crash. Plane crash I bet my life there is an app for that. At least I would be if I was dumb enough to get on a plane.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 12:12 | 5925621 wildbad
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wel it was certainly catastrophic.   sudden catastrophic loss of cabin pressure (windscreen cave), or a sudden catastrophic loss of complete power, which is supported by the lack of radio contact and possible power loss plus fallout of autopilot.  manual would be the only option left..but we know how that turned out.

catastrophic

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 12:27 | 5925672 observer007
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#4U9525 Germanwings

 

contradicting blackbox news

 

NYT: Investigators said they had so far been unable to retrieve any data from the plane’s cockpit voice recorder, and the inquiry has been hampered further, an official said, by the discovery that the second black box, which was found on Wednesday, was severely damaged, and its memory card dislodged and missing.

latetest:

http://tersee.com/#!q=germanwings&t=text

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 12:41 | 5925734 wildbad
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wel it was certainly catastrophic.   sudden catastrophic loss of cabin pressure (windscreen cave), or a sudden catastrophic loss of complete power, which is supported by the lack of radio contact and possible power loss plus fallout of autopilot.  manual would be the only option left..but we know how that turned out.

catastrophic

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 12:43 | 5925743 Daddio7
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Should be over 100 smartphones on board. If the passengers were conscious some of them could have been recording videos.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 14:48 | 5926308 NoWayJose
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Ukraine rebels took lots of heat for not responding quickly to the very remote farmland crash of the Malaysian shot down - a place with little modern infrastructure - leaving bodies out for days. How does it feel Frenchies and Krauts?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 14:49 | 5926314 NoWayJose
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Looking suspicious...

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 15:11 | 5926397 mastersnark
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Malaysian Contagion is spreading...

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 15:14 | 5926411 Deathstar
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Lets see the passenger manifest.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:33 | 5926763 cart00ner
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I kept a Ctrl P of the original report from the dailymail.co.uk, which stated that witnesses heard an explosion followed by 2 fighter jets flying overhead suggesting the plane was under escort.

Within hours this detail was omitted from the report, jim stone also picked this one up and saved a screen-shot of both articles, see it here - http://82.221.129.208/

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:30 | 5927167 rgetty
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Pilot suicide.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:00 | 5927236 blindman
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invariably, the black box which is typically
orange, becomes the focus and important recoverable
object of value. the dead people, their identities
and historic relevance or occupation, overshadowed.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 20:51 | 5927648 Die Weiße Rose
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Germanwings Pilot Was Locked Out of Cockpit Before Crash in France

PARIS — As officials struggled Wednesday to explain why a jet with 150 people on board crashed in relatively clear skies, an investigator said evidence from a cockpit voice recorder indicated one pilot left the cockpit before the plane’s descent and was unable to get back in.

A senior military official involved in the investigation described “very smooth, very cool” conversation between the pilots during the early part of the flight from Barcelona to Düsseldorf. Then the audio indicated that one of the pilots left the cockpit and could not re-enter.

“The guy outside is knocking lightly on the door and there is no answer,” the investigator said. “And then he hits the door stronger and no answer. There is never an answer.”

He said, “You can hear he is trying to smash the door down.”

While the audio seemed to give some insight into the circumstances leading up to the Germanwings crash, it also left many questions unanswered.

"We don’t know yet the reason why one of the guys went out,” said the official, who requested anonymity because the investigation is continuing. "But what is sure is that at the very end of the flight, the other pilot is alone and does not open the door."

The data from the voice recorder seems only to deepen the mystery surrounding the crash and provides no indication of the condition or activity of the pilot who remained in the cockpit. The descent from 38,000 feet over about 10 minutes was alarming but still gradual enough to indicate that the twin-engine Airbus A320 had not been damaged catastrophically . At no point during the descent was there any communication from the cockpit to air traffic controllers or any other signal of an emergency.

When the plane plowed into craggy mountains northeast of Nice, it was traveling with enough speed that it was all but pulverized, killing the 144 passengers and crew of six and leaving behind almost no apparent clues about what caused the crash.

The French aviation authorities have made public very little, officially, about the nature of the information that has been recovered from the audio recording, and it was not clear whether it was partial or complete. France’s Bureau of Investigations and Analyses confirmed only that human voices and other cockpit sounds had been detected and would be subjected to detailed analysis.

Asked about the new evidence revealed in the cockpit recordings, Martine del Bono, a bureau spokeswoman, declined to comment.

"Our teams continue to work on analyzing the CVR,” she said, referring to the cockpit voice recorder. "As soon as we have accurate information we intend to hold a press conference.”

Meanwhile, prosecutors in Marseille, who have been tasked with a separate criminal inquiry into the crash, could not immediately be reached for comment. Brice Robin, the Marseille prosecutor, was due to meet Thursday morning with the families of the crash victims.

At the crash site, a senior official working on the investigation said, workers found the casing of the plane’s other black box, the flight data recorder, but the memory card containing data on the plane’s altitude, speed, location and condition was not inside, apparently having been thrown loose or destroyed by the impact.

Continue reading the main story

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash....

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 01:31 | 5928242 onmail
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MORE NEWS : MEMORY CARD MISSING FROM THE BLACK BOX

Looks like a thriller plot now.

So the options are : 

1. Someone stole the mem card :  How & why would someone climb those mountains only to steal a memory card worth 10 Euros.

2. Spies from a govt. agency trying to cover up something before any civilian agency reaches the crash site. Russians are unlikely in a Nato country. So it can only be the Americans or their poodle British etc.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/26/world/europe/germanwings-airbus-crash....

http://www.breakingnews.com/item/2015/03/25/germanwings-flights-2nd-blac...

If it is a plot by a govt. (read USA) then why?

& why so many air crashes within a year? 

Are all air crashes point to only one thing : After 9/11, America is going crazy like a homosexual with syphillis and trying to shoot down any plane it suspects as a threat. Remember MH370 , which was probably shot down by americans to prevent a collision with one of thair airbases and their another poodle Australia was used by them to search in a different area far away as a distraction so that suspicion does not lead to americans. And what about MH17 shot down by american ally Ukraine, Airasia flight ?

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 08:32 | 5928721 Die Weiße Rose
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this is really the worst news :

Co-pilot deliberately crashed Germanwings flight: prosecutor

A public prosecutor in France has said the co-pilot of the crashed Germanwings flight deliberately initiated the plane's descent. He was alone in the cockpit and ignored the pilot trying to get back in.

At a press conference on Thursday, Marseille's public prosecutor Brice Robin said investigators analyzing the audio recorded in the cockpit of the Germanwings plane that crashed on Tuesday have come to the conclusion that the co-pilot of the plane intentionally initiated a descent from a normal cruising altitude that eventually led to the crash of the plane.

Robin described the events that investigators had pieced together from the audio recording as follows:

After taking off, the pilots conversed in a normal manner for the first 20 minutes of the flight. Upon reaching a normal cruising altitude, the pilot asked the co-pilot to take over the controls before getting up and leaving the cockpit.

At this point, the co-pilot (28 year old Andreas Lübitz) deliberately initiated a descent of the airplane.

Shortly after, the pilot repeatedly attempted to communicate via the plane's telephone system that he'd like to be let back in. The co-pilot did not respond. The pilot then tried knocking on the door, but there was no reaction from the cockpit.

Robin said the co-pilot did not utter a single word during the eight-minute descent before the crash, but could be heard breathing normally.

Flight controllers in Marseille attempted to contact the plane due to the unscheduled descent, but the co-pilot did not react.

Eventually, as the plane neared the ground, the automatic ground proximity alarm sounded, but there was no reaction by the co-pilot. The pilot can be heard trying to break through the door. Immediately before impact, screams can be heard from the passengers in the back, but Robin said there was no indication they knew what was happening until immediately before impact.

http://www.dw.de/co-pilot-deliberately-crashed-germanwings-flight-prosec...

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 09:11 | 5928905 Die Weiße Rose
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The prosecuter did not want to call this a pilot suicide, because of so many other peoples lives that were so tragically lost.

This is a cruel senseless murder of 150 innocent People. It is a desperate act by one deranged individual (the co-pilot,28 year old Andreas Lübitz)) with terrible consequences for so many good and innocent people. All these lives just cut short by this one idiotic senseless act! What I can't understand is the configuration of the cockpit door. How can it be possible for the flight-commander to be locked out by some insane suicidal co'pilot? How is this supposed to be a safe and secure system for everyone on the flight when it takes just one nut in the cockpit to flick a switch and then hijack the whole "fly by wire" crap?

This cockpit - door locking system is just a kneejerk reaction to 9/11 and now it backfired. What happens when the pilot in there gets a heart attack and the other one can't get in?

fucking hell,those people who designed this shit Door-Lock "security system really did'nt think it through at all!

Stupid fucks! How can you allow a situation where one of the Pilots can possible be LOCKED OUT of the cockpit ????

just imagine the situation...it is beyond any logic or reason....totally unbelievable....

it makes me quite angry at the stupid futility and waste of it all...

150 people killed just like that...

may they all rest in peace.

WR;)

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