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The Difference Between Business & Government (In 1 Simple Cartoon)

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Wed, 03/25/2015 - 15:52 | 5926534 buzzsaw99
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biz: profits are down, let's start another war

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 15:58 | 5926559 Thirst Mutilator
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Difference between Business & Government = NOTHING!

 

Oh look!... Kraft & Heinz just merged!

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:17 | 5926605 strannick
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BIZ: Shareholders will just have to work harder,

and pony up more $ as we do another placement,

and dilute their equity to support "Sales General and Administrative" costs (aka exectutive compensation)

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:32 | 5926755 TheReplacement
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Biz:  We're just going to have to lobby Congress so the taxpayers will have to work harder.

 

It's all the same freakin' thing nowadays.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:54 | 5926829 Harbanger
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The western socialist model is going bankrupt by it's own hand.  They never bothered to think about how they would ever pay for all the social programs, entitlements and freebies.  Who are they going to blame, themselves? Never.  Small business and the middle class were slowly destroyed thru regulation and taxes in order to maintain the bloated welfare state, all that survives are monopolies created by the gov for their own benefit.  Those monopolies have no allegiance to any country and will drop the old whores when they're finished.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:13 | 5926893 gold-is-not-dead
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BIZ: profits are down! Call HR, freeze paychecks and introduce some company values shit so no one notice.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:46 | 5927028 Pool Shark
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Since when is Obama white with a double chin?...

 

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:17 | 5927135 Dave Thomas
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That cartoonist thinks stodgy old white people call the shots, DATS RAYCISS!

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:16 | 5927136 sleigher
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I think they meant the guy that actually runs the country and he is white with a double chin...

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:58 | 5927230 philipat
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As Margaret Thatcher so presciently put it "The problem with Socialism is that, eventually, you run out of other peoples' money".

And I know it is difficult to say it but The US IS nw a socialist/fascist (Both the same at opposite ends of the continuum) State and has been for quite some time....

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:00 | 5927238 Bumbu Sauce
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Thatcher the Milk Snatcher!

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 21:38 | 5927771 yrbmegr
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Interestingly, capitalism has the same problem.

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 07:07 | 5928497 N2OJoe
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Really? What capitalist country is having such a problem?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:33 | 5927174 Citxmech
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Right.

Biz:  Profits are down!  Fire 15% of the workforce, reduce 30% of the remaining workers to part-time, and cut benefits everyone else.  Fire anybody who can't keep up production and hire back replacements at 1/2 wages.  

Oh yeah - and as CEO I think I deserve a $5m bonus for my forward thinking.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:51 | 5927421 Redneck Hippy
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BIZ: profits are down!  Workers will have to work harder for less money.  Call CFO, borrow money at 2% and buy in 10% of shares at ATH to make earnings per share look better.  Congratulate management and give them stock options.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:54 | 5927220 TheAntiProgressive
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They are not going to bother to blame anyone let alone themselves.  It is much easier to start a war and distract all the sheeple. USA, USA, USA......

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 20:00 | 5927465 Anybody
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Right it's the social programs - blame the poor. Of course financial fraud, the bailout of the rich can't be to blame because they are saving us.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:05 | 5926863 Oldwood
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75% of Americans work for small businesses. Businesses that have zero pull with anything from government. They are the cash cow for government, collecting their taxes for them and bending over and taking it up the ass when so demanded under the threat of OSHA or Americans with disabilities or some other horse shit, so I really don't need to hear this shit about business.

Yes, big business, corporate America, IS fucking us blind but they are employing less everyday if you look at the layoffs.

So please give up this class warfare shit and be a little more specific about WHO your enemies are.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:24 | 5927158 shovelhead
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I don't think anyone has a gripe about the local mom and pop bakery.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:01 | 5927240 Bumbu Sauce
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Except for the fucking faggots.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:31 | 5927170 DFCtomm
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States like to claim they are friendly to business and will even create special legislation to lure big business to their state, like California and the Tesla battery plant, but if they are so business friendly then why don't they offer small business those same perks? If those conditions are good for business then why aren't they good for all business? It's just more favoritism like the tax code, and it's exemptions for big business. These exemptions are used by progressives to claim that our tax code isn't really as high as it appears to be, but what if you are a small business and can't afford to take advantage of those loop holes, and you're stuck paying the full rate? What we are doing is insanity.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:56 | 5927226 TheAntiProgressive
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If you can't put like 40 or more part time "employees" on the tote board like a fast food franchise you ain't getting shit from the system.  The pols want to cut ribbons and claim increases in employment. 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:55 | 5927061 winchester
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revenue is down

-we just have to raise the taaaa wait a second

-?

-why those guys got forks in front of the door ?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 20:00 | 5927447 gmrpeabody
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A little more work on content and your delivery..., you'll be getting up votes in no time...

;-)

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:12 | 5926644 Renewable Life
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I have to disagree, and frankly call out that bullshit this way!  If you believe that there is NOTHING different between Biz and .Gov, then your being successful brainwashed and progandized BY THE Government(s)!

That's exactly the apathy toward Gov, they MUST HAVE to continue to enslave us! If you believe there is no alternative OR difference, you'll just continue to sit on your couch motionless, now ya you might bitch a little on ZH and to your friends, but motionless and powerless never-the-less! Which is what corrupt, leaching, thieving, over-taxing, over-regulating, worthless .gov MUST HAVE TO CONTINUE!

Does Big Biz have problems, hell yes, but their evil is just a manifestation and byproduct of a much bigger and more corrupt EVIL, BIg Socialist Government! 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:17 | 5926675 FlameSky
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AND... Businesses can't legally kill you, arrest you, incarcerate you or take away your rights.  The government can do ALL of those things.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:26 | 5926727 Herd Redirectio...
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What do you call the merger of Big Government and Big Business?

Fascism, NeoFeudalism, the status quo, take your pick.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:32 | 5926761 TheReplacement
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We tend to call it USSA around these here parts.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:47 | 5927412 bag holder
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There's no difference between government and business because both are comprised of the pusillanimous, indolent American public.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 20:08 | 5927485 gmrpeabody
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pusillanimous..., not very often do you see that word being used at ZH.

BTW, Bag..., that's not my down vote.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:52 | 5926825 Anusocracy
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So the solution is to not have government.

Government creates an environment and businesses respond by evolving to survive in it.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:20 | 5927146 Tall Tom
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Busineeses purchase the Government so that the Government responds by creating an environment which grants licenses for favored Businesses to operate, while squashing out rising and competitive firms.

 

Ever read about the Tucker Corporation?

 

Read this and learn something old for a change.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Preston_Tucker

 

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:44 | 5926781 LawsofPhysics
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"Businesses can't legally kill you, arrest you, incarcerate you or take away your rights.  The government can do ALL of those things." --

 

LMAFO!!!!   I know several MERCs that work for "private companies" that do just that you stupid fuck.  The colusion between government and corporate america is the fucking problem!!!  Hello?  Halliburton, Blackstone, MIC etc.

You are an idiot of the highest order.  This is serious shit, these private armies have better hardware than most government forces.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:57 | 5926836 Anusocracy
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At the behest of, and protected by, government.

No different than a legalized killer called a soldier.

So your point is?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:03 | 5926858 PirateOfBaltimore
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Everything company you named is a government contractor, that is, an extension of the state.

 

Let me know when Apple starts mercing people.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:06 | 5926865 Anusocracy
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Government is the ocean, businesses are the fish.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:09 | 5927111 Tall Tom
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THEY ARE PRIVATE BUSINESSES.

 

They happen to have Government Contracts.

 

As for Apple mercing (???) people? First "mercing" is not even a word. It is not even defined by the Urban Dictionary (which I checked to see if it was some obscure slang.)

 

But more importantly Apple is already involved with murdering people as they are cooperating with the NSA and the Police State.

 

A Cell Phone is a GPS tracking device. Enjoy your iPhone.

 

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:31 | 5927353 bag holder
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 22:24 | 5927894 Tall Tom
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Actually, after thinking about it, he is referring to Mercenaries.

 

Apple does employ private security forces with powers of arrest, detainment, and as they are armed...

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 06:41 | 5928454 Arnold
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Fanboys are Rabid attitude mo fos.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:20 | 5927140 GeorgeHayduke
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The Apple manufacturing plants had suicide nets outside their dorms. Yeah, I know, not in this country, so it doesn't matter.

Businesses have killed millions over the years and have often gotten away with it by dumping their shit on the public. Then when people try to stop it idiots call it communism or some other name they have no clue about.

Government is the useful henchman of business. We have no examples anywhere of modern industrial business existing without a government to deal with the uglier side of business and cover its externalities. We have all kinds of theories and emotional bluster about how all will be perfect without Gubmint, but nothing based on reality or fact. I would be happy to hear of any examples if you've got them. I won't hold my breath waiting.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:02 | 5927243 TheAntiProgressive
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Try out the book "Diary of an Economic Hitman", read is dated, but quick and feels like some kind of spy novel but makes a lot of sense.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:19 | 5927142 thistooshallpass
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A worthwhile watch on the current state of mercenaries..

 

http://rt.com/shows/sophieco/234639-mercenaries-army-us-leading/

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:52 | 5927051 Tall Tom
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AND... Businesses can't legally kill you, arrest you, incarcerate you or take away your rights.  The government can do ALL of those things.

 

Let's take this statement apart point by point...

 

Businesses can't legally kill you.

 

Uh...Actually they are doing that daily.

 

I guess that you have never heard of Blackwater. And they CAN operate inside of US Borders. Who is going to prosecute them? Their boss, the Government? You just become a missing person.

 

Businesses can't legally arrest you...

 

Bullshit. I can LEGALLY ARREST YOU. As a CITIZEN of the state of California I am empowered to do so. If you commit a crime in front of me then l will place you under arrest. That is called a CITIZEN'S ARREST. While I am not a cop, I do have legal authority to affect arrests.

 

So do all businesses...in the state Of California.

 

Businesses can't legally incarcerate you or take away your rights.  

 

LMAO.

 

I guess that you have never heard of Corrections Corporation of America.

 

 

(You can buy stock and business is booming. I even have a financial incentive to arrest you at this point. Think of it a a small bounty.)

 

 

The government can do ALL of those things.

 

Since the Government empowers these Private Corporations to do all of these things then isn't that EVIDENTIAL that the merger with corporations and the State is valid?

 

That is called FASCISM.

 

Celebrate your supposed FreeDUMB.

 

The fifteen other people who agreed with you are just a fucking stupid. You are in good company.

 

FSA...FSA...FSA....Hoorah!!!

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:13 | 5927123 WillyGroper
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OK TT,

you watched the link. The scope is far greater than fascism.

Maslow.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:24 | 5927155 Tall Tom
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Yeah. I know.

 

Fuck!!!

 

I am going to republish it here and now.

 

That is a must watch.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H7QlOTi86Nk

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:48 | 5927414 WillyGroper
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State your negative postition girly man down voters.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:19 | 5926688 viahj
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"Llighten up Francis"

I believe that the consensus is that they both are corrupt with a nod to .gov as the origin of the corruption we now endure.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:22 | 5926710 Renewable Life
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Shit, I thought I was really "light" on that post by my standards.........but these millenials these days, there a softer generation, 'll try to keep it real warm and fuzzy and EVEN more positive and less threatening or angry toned, next time!

lol

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:31 | 5926754 g speed
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yeah but---revolving door and all that---seems much the same-- maybe the fact that big biz needs big gov't and big gov't need big biz--and don't forget big labor needs big gov't just like big gov't needs big labor---just saying

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:26 | 5926729 withglee
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It's a continuum. The smaller the business, the more it looks like the individual. The larger the business the more it looks like government.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:33 | 5926765 g speed
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thank you for that --simple and remarkably accurate  +100

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:38 | 5926789 Harbanger
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That's because centrally planned economies pick winners and losers thru selective regulation. Try competing with Starbucks.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:06 | 5926864 withglee
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When Starbucks started the competition was the 7-11 convenience store. Can you imagine them scuttling their idea with a comment like "try competing with 7-11"?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:12 | 5926889 Harbanger
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7-11 was never their competition. Starbucks targeted a new demographic of espresso yuppies and mocha hipsters.  Starbuck sewed up the market by lobbying for special privileges and therefore eliminated all competititon.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:08 | 5927261 Bumbu Sauce
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There are more independent coffee shops today than in any time in history.  WTF are you talking about "eliminating the competition?"

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:33 | 5927359 bag holder
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Yeah Starbucks may not have been the best example, there are three hipster coffee shops on every block these days

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 20:21 | 5927564 withglee
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You completely missed the point. They didn't compete. They changed the perception. By doing so they attracted coffee drinkers who were buying at 7-11 (i.e. convenience stores). They did not create new coffee drinkers. I was living in Portland at the time. I saw it happen. There were dozens of copy cats. Please point out a single privilege Starbucks lobbied for in 1990.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:04 | 5926862 Anusocracy
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The reason for that is that big businesses are far more useful to government so they are its focus.

If government wanted to make small businesses roll over they could. It would just take longer and cost more.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:29 | 5926748 RDCushing
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I agree with much of what you have to say. The REAL DIFFERENCE, in my mind, is between true capitalists and corporatists.

A real capitalist does not seek favorable treatment for their business or industry from the government, nor are they rent-seekers: seeking to profit through the creation or sustenance of government programs that provide profits directly or indirectly to their enterprises.

Real capitalists work hard for their profits and seek nothing more than a level playing ground, impartial laws equitably applied, and a low burden of taxes and regulation.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:14 | 5926901 withglee
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Real capitalists work hard for their profits and seek nothing more than a level playing ground, impartial laws equitably applied, and a low burden of taxes and regulation.

That trait has nothing to do with capitalism. Capitalism just says, if you want to make a trading promise that extends over time and space, you have to engage someone with capital.

A capitalist is "two years". Take $1M. Buy a bank. Enjoy a 4% spread between loans and deposits. Enjoy 10x leverage through fractional reserve rules. Your 4% then becomes 40% which doubles your money in "two years".

Now, pull your capital ($1M) out leaving the other $1M (which is really really close to an ill-gotten-gain) ride ... and look Mom! ... I'm a capitalist! People must now come to me to get their "trading promises" blessed.

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:28 | 5926953 Anusocracy
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All happening in a government created environment.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:06 | 5927250 Charming Anarchist
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All government happens in a secret criminal environment. 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:35 | 5927070 Oscar Mayer
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"A real capitalist does not seek favorable treatment for their business or industry from the government"

The history of Capitalism and I, call bullshit.  Seeking favor from government has been the way of Capitalism from its inception.  The big Myth is the Austrian Ideology of Capitalism, which has never existed.  You may as well be professing a belief in Santa Claus, the Tooth Fairy or the Easter Bunny, all of which are more tangible in substance than that bowel movement of an ideology you appear to follow.

Free/Private Enterprise and free markets are a product of life in liberty, debt slavery Capitalism and its partner government have all but destroyed it.  You can only consolidate and extract so much wealth from an economy that easy credit and welfare can replace, before the whole system collapses from the accumulated debts.  And that's why the majority of the Capitalist have moved on to China and points east.  So much for Capitalism's defense of freedom, but they are sure as hell are will Capitalize on providing the government with the tools of our oppression.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:35 | 5927182 shovelhead
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The local garage that fixes flats probably doesn't use the services of a K Street lobbyist.

He's not a capitalist?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:22 | 5927320 GeoffreyT
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Both you and R.D. Cushing are good examples of Thomas Pynchon's brilliant observation: "If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't need to worry about the answer."

'Asking the wrong question' is a slight misnomer, of course: what you're both doing is gooing around with an unexamined wrong premise.

For RDCushing it's the false premise that 'genuine' capitalists are required to have some innate predisposition to seek outcomes only if they are 'honest'; for you it's that capitalism's rent-seeking (1) perverts politics in ways that would not otherwise occur; and (2) is not synonymous with 'free/private enterprise'.

Capitalism - properly practiced - is identical to 'free enterprise' in motivation, if not in action. Both involve maximising the return on invested capital, and nothing more (the 'return' is all forms of return: money return, power, prestige... anything that adds to the happiness of the shareholder and the fiduciary).

That might mean digging a hole and extracting metal ores, or it might mean opening a deli, or it might mean selling tyres.

Given enough power, it will also mean buying political influence where possible: it's a perfectly rational response.

Politics exists, and is inherently corrupt (always and everywhere, with no exceptions in human history, ever). That is not the fault of the capitalist: effectively, people who think that capitalists have to 'play nice' are akin to people who think that lions shouldn't eat lame gazelles.

No 'capitalist' in their right mind would refuse the opportunity to massively increase their return on capital by obtaining preferential treatment from .gov: to refuse to do so would be a violation of their obligations as a fiduciary. Rent-seeking is a perfectly-natural response to incentives.

It is not the fault of 'corporations' that tilted incentives are possible: that is the fault of .gov, who are literally the only set of institutions that can put tilted incentives in place. Even lobbying - bribing or blackmailing political parasites to set up favourable incentive structures for the lobbyist - can only exist when .gov power (1) exists; and (2) is corrupt (but I repeat myself: if it exists, it will be corrupt, given time).

 

Imagine a world with no government (but don't fall into the fuckwitted Hobbesian dystopian trope of 'bellum omnium contra omnes'). How would a monopoly exist? How would it enforce its monopoly? How would a firm that requires .gov to enhancve its probability, get that enhancement without .gov?

 

Now, imagine a world with government but no enterprises (you shouldn't have to try too hard: it was attempted in the Soviet Union and lasted less than three generations, during which time the lives of its livestock became more and more grim - as Mises correctly predicted in 1920 when the experiment was less than 3 years old).

 

 

This same logic should be applied to anyone who is bewildered at how Tom Friedman, Paul Krugman, Bill Kristol, George Monbiot, Al Gore, and David Brooks can promulgate drivel that is obviously fuckwitted for anyone who hasn't suffered a head injury: those people are not actually idiots, and almost certainly know that what they're writing and saying is bullshit... but the incentive structure they face makes it the most profitable use of their time, by several orders of magnitude.

If someone turned up at my door and offered me ten million dollars a year in perpetuity in exchange for me repudiating my every genuinely-held belief, I doubt that I would take more than 2 seconds to agree. Anyone who claims they would not, has never faced a credible dilemma that had a 10-digit price tag.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:57 | 5927450 Tall Tom
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Al Gore is worth a Billion.

 

Ten Million to him is 1% of his wealth.

 

hint...it is not about the money.  that is the reason that you will not be offered any money.  are you asking the wrong questions?... somehow i don't think so..

 

Al Gore is a Technocrat who wants to punish anyone who does not submit to the vision.

 

Now I need my Soma. It is a Brave New World after all.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 23:27 | 5928061 Renewable Life
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"If someone turned up at my door and offered me ten million dollars a year in perpetuity in exchange for me repudiating my every genuinely-held belief, I doubt that I would take more than 2 seconds to agree. Anyone who claims they would not, has never faced a credible dilemma that had a 10-digit price tag."

You really had me nodding along until you dropped that nonsense!!  You sir, are obviously one of the masses of people who are without what you consider, "enough money", however you undoubtedly appear rather educated and in full grasp of the reality around you, but your world view in dictated and dominated by your lack of money!  Power my friend, exists above the context of money, and parallel to wealth (money and wealth are two very different things and rarely have anything to do with one another).  People who have real power and wealth, whether born with it or obtained in their lifetime, could care less about "10 million dollars a year" (which BTW also indicates a job of some sort, or working for someone else, all things people in true power of positions DO NOT DO)! 

Belief in sometime bigger then yourself, whether its your families never ending power on the planet, liberty and freedom and the Republic, or your certainty in life after death, etc is NOT sometime you compromise with, when your an "elite"! This is why the institutions of religion and monarchy are still the MOST powerful entities in human history! Individuals who can be bought for money, are cheap, sad pawns in this game, and will always be expendable and of only short term usefulness! 

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:35 | 5926775 Harbanger
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The entitled West is broke and going into Marxist mode.  The old commies are now discovering capitalism and prosperity.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:33 | 5926973 Not My Real Name
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Yep. That was a totally inane comment. I suspect those who say there is no difference between business and government have never owned their own business or worked for one -- and I say this as someone who has done both. 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:39 | 5927184 BrosephStiglitz
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Pretty retarded comment.  All corporates are businesses, but not all businesses are corporates.  If you have an issue with corporatocracy, ie:, the revolving door between government and gargantuan businesses, I could (possibly) be convinced to buy into the premise.

However, it is an undeniable fact that all businesses (in the short and medium term) are beholden to markets.  Government, is not.  Only in the long-term will government really get slammed by market forces.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:06 | 5927251 TheAntiProgressive
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And when it is proven time and time again that the markets are manipulated where is your argument.  It is a crooked game and it has gone into hyperdrive.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 21:01 | 5927675 BrosephStiglitz
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You and I have a vastly different definition of "proven".  A string of articles and shaky information does not a proof make.

But my point here is, corporates and government are intertwined in many ways.  The OP claimed that all businesses operate like government, and I argue that it is a small number of VERY LARGE businesses which fit that criteria.

The majority of businesses just want to get by, and yes, when the economy turns down they respond through working harder, or smarter, or cutting costs, or all of the above. 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:35 | 5927364 bag holder
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Markets are just as often beholden to businesses. Look in the bottom left corner of your computer screen; whose logo is that?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:39 | 5927191 moonshadow
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there's a Big difference between small business and BIZ. the cartoonist didnt recognize that obvious fact but ZHers did and they know BIZ and gubmint are sleeping together

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:40 | 5927192 moonshadow
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Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:54 | 5927436 A Nanny Moose
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Corporations and government are no different. The corporation exist by the guns of government. Kraft and Heinz are corporations.

Business is voluntary.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 15:57 | 5926563 SickDollar
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Same shit just different flavor BITCHEZ

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:05 | 5926604 ebworthen
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BIZ:  "Profits are down - cut employees, wages, and increase production and quality quotas; and do some share buybacks while we're at it."

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:08 | 5926630 astoriajoe
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oh, and increase our lobbying budget to get more favorable regulations implemented.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:25 | 5926724 101 years and c...
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Gov't: revenue is down.  we'll just print moar.  get to work mr yellen, you fat pig.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:06 | 5926854 Harbanger
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Part of modern western marxist brainwashing is equating private and public sector.  This is why so many sheep today believe the private sector exists to provide them with social justice.  End result is the private sector stops making even toilet paper for lack of profit.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:10 | 5926881 Anusocracy
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It is innate, not brainwashing.

All tribe members were...members of the tribe.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:14 | 5926660 Praetorian Guard
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Hahaha, yea no shit. Just wait until we start sending shit over to help the Saudis... after they fall we will go balls deep in mil equipment to bring democracy and freedom to the oil fields...

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Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:52 | 5927218 nailgunnin4you
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biz: profits are down, let's start another war

If you are not trolling please explain how war is advantageous to the 99.999% of biz not associated with the arms industry, seems it would be rather disastrous to most. I don't think WWII helped the German/Japanese car industries a great deal, or any Euro industry on that note. Spare me the Keynesian broken window fallacy in your reply if you please.  All wars are bankers wars. Bankers and finance are the bane of business, not their partner in crime.
Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:22 | 5927322 spinone
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biz: profits are down, we'll just have to lobby for tax breaks and bailouts.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 15:53 | 5926537 Sleepless Knight
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Unlimited funds and they still find a way to fuck things up and bitch.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:03 | 5926597 drendebe10
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"Government isn't the solution to the problem.  Government is the problem."  R. Reagan, President who cleaned up the mess left behind by the second worst democrap president.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:14 | 5926657 Abitdodgie
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"second worst democrap president" like there is a differance between party's or are you just a bit slow.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:04 | 5926853 847328_3527
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The realtors in my area say the only buyers are 1) foreigners with 100% cash (Mexican, Chinese, Indians mostly) and 2) Gubmint workers (firemen, policemen, postal workers, etc with large downpayments or 100%)

 

... and the 3 realtors I polled said sales were down quite a bit yoy.

 

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:03 | 5927092 Bananamerican
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you're in SoCal too....yeah, the realtors are doing "door to door" again...between them and the Jehovah's Witnesses the doorstep's getting crowded on Sundays

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 20:14 | 5927536 nailgunnin4you
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"second worst democrap president" like there is a differance between party's or are you just a bit slow.

 

I'll take bit slow for $200

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:16 | 5926911 Anusocracy
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Reagan obviously didn't solve any government made problems.

Government is evil and it isn't a necessary evil.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:31 | 5927340 spinone
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Regan, who who increased the national debt more than any president in history.

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:35 | 5927363 Bumbu Sauce
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Factually incorrect you fucking cunt.  Fuck you people are ridiculous.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:37 | 5927374 bag holder
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I'm sure he means "more than any previous president", which is quite factual.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 20:18 | 5927542 spinone
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And left future presidents incuring more debt on the interest payments he created.  Without the interest payments incurred by Regan, no president ever would have increased the national debt as much, even Obama, who I hate too.

If we can't deal with facts we'll never get to a solution.  Don't fall for the Democrat - Republican soap opera.  Its a show put on to distract from the fact that corporations stole the country. 

If voting really made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 21:03 | 5927682 Bumbu Sauce
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... so fucking absurd.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 23:00 | 5927999 spinone
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That's all you've got?  Weak.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 15:54 | 5926541 Trick Shroadé
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Biz: Profits are down. Let's initiate a stock buyback plan.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:37 | 5926985 Harbanger
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Profit is bad, loss is good.  Would you expand and invest in your business when sales are down? or would you buy stocks that are being artificially pumped up by the FED?  Look at all your thumbs up here on ZH, and we like to think we're not brainwashed by collectivism.   It's no wonder we can't compete with a profit oriented East.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:41 | 5927386 bag holder
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It's not that profits are bad, it's that buying your own stock when profits are down is some serious Newthink.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 15:54 | 5926545 LawsofPhysics
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How do those "private" companies that are dependent on fat government contracts fit into this...?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 15:57 | 5926562 headhunt
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That is called fascism.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:00 | 5926573 Thirst Mutilator
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That is called 'jew mafia'

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 15:55 | 5926547 davidalan1
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And Atlas shrugs...Say what you may about Ayn Rand, she pretty much nailed it.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:07 | 5926622 dougie
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Ayn Rand was insane and her devotees are simple minded dolts.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:09 | 5926635 astoriajoe
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doesn't mean they're wrong.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:12 | 5926646 strannick
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You can avoid reality, but you cant avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. 

-A.R.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:18 | 5926683 Thirst Mutilator
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You can avoid CHEESE... But you cannot avoid cheesePOPES...

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:22 | 5926713 brucyy
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And who is so much smarter ? the clowns in DC ? "Progressives" ? puh-lease. I don't really care about Rand , but i know how to deal with my own balance sheet and take responsability when i screw up ,  Which does not appear to be a common trait among all you intellectually superior peoples out there

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:26 | 5926728 davidalan1
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Not sure how you can pull the insanity card on a brilliant women. Granted she missed the spiritual side of life, but when it comes to the material, economic, and current events unfolding in front of us. You missed the mark..

 

My fav quote from her..."When you lie to others you become their slave" - how relevant

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:52 | 5926826 usednabused
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Oh really, thats revelant? Then do tell me, why isn't the gov't my slave instead of my being their slave? Those fuckers lie to me every day. Why isn't the MSM bending over to do things for me as they're my slave? You are a genuine fool if you really beleive what you type.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:15 | 5926905 davidalan1
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Mr. usedandabused,

Your aminus is unfounded. I dont know how many times when Ive been in a situation where i LIED TO SOMEONE, BECAUSE I was afraid.

As far as the MSM I intuit that she meant it on a personal lever you fucking idiot...i take that back...Im sorry, forgive me for calling you a fucking idiot.

Thu, 03/26/2015 - 09:44 | 5929158 dougie
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Its curious to me how many Ayn Rand fans seem to loathe two of her most prominent advocates.  Repeat after me in unison:  Alan Greenspan and Ben Bernanke.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:36 | 5927370 Bumbu Sauce
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Your devotees?  They are just cunts.  Like you.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 15:56 | 5926553 lordbyroniv
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Its not funny,...because its true.  :(

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 15:56 | 5926554 Uber Vandal
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Biz: Profits are down, lets fire / offshore / automate more staff, and buyback more stock.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 15:56 | 5926555 headhunt
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Biz: profits are down because the fucks in D.C. keep sucking the money out of our pockets like a coke whore on meth.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:02 | 5927089 ljag
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You probably wanted to say "like. Coke whore on crack". Don't know too many coke freaks that like meth but I'm sure times have changed since I "tried" it.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 15:58 | 5926566 Puerto Rico is ...
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In real life the business meeting and the political meeting are the same meeting.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 15:59 | 5926570 headhunt
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Puerto Rico is a welfare whore

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:37 | 5927187 Caleb Abell
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Remember, Puerto Rico never asked to be a part of the US.  The US took it from Spain and invited Puerto Rico in at the end of a gun barrel.  Same deal with blacks.  I don't recall any of them begging the US to take them in for one of those cushy slave jobs. 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:06 | 5926610 LawsofPhysics
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This is the real problem, corporatism/fascism/cronyism, corporation=goverment=bank.  The consolidation of wealth and power into fewer and fewer hands is simply confirmation of this...

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:00 | 5926569 Dr. Engali
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Outdated, now when business is down companies engineer more profits through financialization. . Gov says "borrow moar".

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:14 | 5926658 AGuy
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"Outdated, now when business is down companies engineer more profits through financialization"

FWIW: +90% of all US business are private and small to medium size. Its only about the top %5 that are public and use finacialization in their business. Consider that most small businesses are just run by Joe and Jane trying to earn a living and trying to live a better life. Many small business owners left the Big Corp to go on thier own. These are the people that "work harder" when profits are down, or worry about maying payroll to their employees. Its the small businesses that are forced to carry the weight of Big Gov't since they can't lobby for loopholes, and must follow every ridiculous gov't regulation to the letter.

 

 

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:26 | 5926734 Ghordius
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+1 ridiculous government regulations often penned by Big Biz corporate lobbyists, driving up prices to a level more interesting for Big Biz

there still are places on earth that aren't plastered by franchise shops, for example. that excess is a classic tell-tale

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:24 | 5926939 Anusocracy
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Government is a customer and employer of big business, and big business is a customer and employer of government.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:51 | 5927217 Yen Cross
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 Wrong! Small and medium business finanance through different(more expensive) credit channels. Hence the distruction of the middle class.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 20:14 | 5927535 AGuy
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"Wrong! Small and medium business finanance through different(more expensive) credit channels."

Not really:

1. Unlike Public companies that can borrow and use stock, small companies don't have that option. and Money borrow has to be backed with real assets (Equipment, Real estate, etc)

2. Small business are forced to borrow instead of saving to expand do to Gov't regulations via Corporate taxes. For a business to save up $1000, it must fork over at lease $350 in Fed Taxes, plus and state, and local corp. taxes. Only a fool would save cash to fund expansion. If a company borrows money, it saves probably 30% in capital costs by avoiding paying corp. taxes.

3. Small business & Mid-size pay the Middle class & Poor wages. Few Small business outsource overseas since they lack the resources to make outsouring worthwhile. Is also very difficult for Resturants, Plumbers, electricians to move operations overseas when they are need onsite at the customers facility.

 

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:01 | 5926580 Yen Cross
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     MOAR class warfare, and racial division, are great revenue machines for the .gov spenders.

  Things won't change until heads start rolling... Bitchez

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:01 | 5926582 centerline
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This is still true for most small to mid sized private companies. 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:04 | 5926600 HopefulCynical
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True.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:02 | 5926589 Condition 1SQ
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Bulllllshit!  Perhaps this is true in a small/medium sized businesses, but those who have the ear of politicians will lobby to stifle competition before all else.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:06 | 5926612 juicy_bananas
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Too big to fail?

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:09 | 5926634 barroter
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Business: "Profits are down." 

"I guess we have to lie through our teeth to the shareholders.  Get the CFO, Mr. Fink in here, I want those 10k's so twisted it'll take 3 laywers to screw them into a binder!" 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:10 | 5926636 runswithscissors
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just print some more "money"

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:13 | 5926649 giorgioorwell
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Maybe for small business, but this cartoon might have made sense in 1965 but it bears no relevance to the warped merger of corrupt corporate interests combining seamelessly with government shills.   

Does anyone filter/edit the crap that is posting to ZH these days?...compared to three years ago, it's wierdest stream of incoherent conflicting nonsense.

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:14 | 5926902 Oldwood
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The vast majority of business is small business as is the vast majority of people are working for small business. Choose you enemies wisely.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:15 | 5926662 cherry picker
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For the Mom and Pops and Small Business on Main Street which the country is based on, they are aleady working hard trying to survive.

No golden parachutes and perks like the execs at corporations or civil servants or their political leaders.

When corporations are made to follow the same laws and execs thrown into prison for flouting laws that small business has to follow and civil servants and politicians held accountable right away there may be some hope.

Otherwise forget it fellow slave.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:16 | 5926670 besnook
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bus. profits are down. time to get .gov to allow us to steal from our customers.

 

.gov. my boy is complaining about needing some room to make money. we need to make it legal to steal to help the usa consumer cope with these hard times.

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:25 | 5926723 venturen
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Stock Buyback   === Print more currencies/issue more debt!

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:27 | 5926741 p00k1e
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Business spies on us for Government. 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:27 | 5926944 calltoaccount
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absolutely backwards.

gov and biz both spy on us to protect biz.  all us policy foreign and domestic is dictated by biz for the benfit of biz.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 19:09 | 5927262 p00k1e
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I was considering credit card and ISP companies, ‘third parties’. 

It’s the Information Age. 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:33 | 5926762 Chippewa Partners
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Buffetting =   Merging

The new way to grow EPS!

 

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:33 | 5926764 Alananda
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Hegelian Dialectic -- full speed ahead, Scottie!  Thank GOD, Spock ain't here to comment....

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 16:37 | 5926785 lasvegaspersona
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"Just Print IT!!"...the government borrows from Nike and adopts a slogan for the times. Government and bidness working together for the good of all....again!!!

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 18:14 | 5926798 brucyy
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I hope you guys realize that some of us in very small businesses are not subsidized by the wonderland ,and surviving does require working harder .A loss means you've actually lost cash and nobody will give a single fuck , becauses you've accepted the risks and in your particular case , crying won't bring it back.

In the end , we all die. we can only try and hope.

Wed, 03/25/2015 - 17:37 | 5926988 cart00ner
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Caption should say: 

"Profits are down"

"Turn the chart up the other way"

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