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Germanwings Co-Pilot "Deliberately Destroyed" Airplane, Identified As 28-Year Old German Citizen
In one of the most chilling segments of this morning's press conference describing what was found on the cockpit voice recorder, screams were heard from passengers and crew as the realisation of what was about to happen struck them all. Prosecutor Brice Robin's findings state that when the German Captain left the cockpit - following what appeared to be - the 28-year-old German co-pilot (who was alive to the end) refused to re-open the door and began an "intentional", "controlled", and "steady" descent as he "seems to have sought to destroy the plane." Nothing indicates that this was a terrorist incident.
“At this moment, in light of investigation, the interpretation we can give at this time is that the co-pilot through voluntary abstention refused to open the door of the cockpit to the commander, and activated the button that commands the loss of altitude,” the prosecutor, Brice Robin, said.
He said it appeared that the co-pilot’s intention had been “to destroy the aircraft.” He said that the voice recorder showed that the co-pilot had been breathing until before the moment of impact, suggesting that he was conscious and deliberate in his actions. He said that his inquiry had shown that the crash was intentional.
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The descent was not a nose-dive and passengers would have been unaware until the last few minutes that anything was out of order...
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The last 30 minutes...
- *ROBIN SAYS INVESTIGATORS HAVE TRANSCRIPT OF LAST 30 MINUTES
- *ROBIN SAYS COMMANDER ASKED CO-PILOT TO TAKE COMMAND
- *ROBIN SAYS COMMANDER LEAVES COCKPIT, LEAVING CO-PILOT
- *CO-PILOT STARTED FLIGHT MONITORING SYSTEM FOR DESCENT: ROBIN
- *DESCENT COULD ONLY HAVE BEEN VOLUNATRY, ROBIN SAYS
- *COPILOT DIDN'T RESPOND TO CALLS TO OPEN DOOR: ROBIN
- *COMMANDER TRIES TO RE-ENTER COCKPIT BUT NOT ABLE: ROBIN
- *CO-PILOT APPEARS TO HAVE REFUSED TO OPEN DOOR FOR PILOT: ROBIN
- *COPILOT WAS ALIVE TO THE VERY END: ROBIN
- *COPILOT'S BREATHING HEARD TO THE VERY END: ROBIN
- *ROBIN SAYS C0-PILOT HAD NORMAL BREATHING, NO SIGN OF ILLNESS
- *CO-PILOT CAN BE HEARD BREATHING RIGHT UP TO FINAL IMPACT: ROBIN
- *FRENCH PROSECUTOR ROBIN SAYS CO-PILOT REFUSED TO OPEN COCKPIT
The implications...
- *CO-PILOT SEEMS TO HAVE SOUGHT TO DESTROY THE PLANE: ROBIN
- *CO-PILOT APPEARS TO HAVE WANTED TO DESTROY AIRPLANE: ROBIN
Details on the pilots...
- *CO-PILOT WAS GERMAN CITIZEN, ROBIN SAYS
- *ROBIN SAYS HE HAS NO IDEA ABOUT PILOTS' RELIGIONS, ETHNICITY
- *ROBIN REPEATS THAT BOTH PILOTS WERE GERMAN CITIZENS
- *ROBIN SAYS THERE WAS NO ONE ELSE IN CABIN BESIDES COPILOT
- *ROBIN SAYS GERMANWINGS DESCENT WAS CONTROLLED AND STEADY
- *ROBIN SAYS CO-PILOT HAD WORKED FOR A FEW MONTHS
- *ROBIN SAYS CO-PILOT HAD A FEW HUNDRED HOURS OF EXPERIENCE
- *ROBIN SAYS COMMANDER HAD 10,000 HOURS OF FLYING EXPERIENCE
- *CO-PILOT WAS 28 YRS OLD: ROBIN
The WSJ identifies the co-pilot as Andreas Lubitz...
The co-pilot of the Germanwings flight that crashed in the French Alps on Tuesday was Andreas Lubitz, 28, of Montabaur, according to a flight club where he was a member.
“Andreas became a member of the club as a youth to fulfill his dream of flying,” the LSC club said in a death notice on its website.
“He fulfilled his dream, the dream he now paid for so dearly with his life,” the club said. It said he was the co-pilot of the flight. A member of the flight club identified him to The Wall Street Journal on Thursday.
And finally...
- *ROBIN SAYS NOTHING INDICATES TERRORIST INCIDENT
- *ROBIN SAYS CRASH APPEARS AT THIS POINT TO BE `INDIVIDUAL FAULT'
Prosecutor: In the case of an individual's deliberate act, is the airline responsible? "That's another debate." #crashA320
— David Jolly (@davjolly) March 26, 2015
Horrific...
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I'm wondering if the co-pilot fucked up. If he was bat shit crazy enough to crash the plane, I'd guess that he would have wanted to crash into a big city. Something between Nice and Dusseldorf. Perhaps he decended too quickly.
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What kind of a German .... names his boy Andreas .... if he had named him Thor or Helmut .... this would have never happened !
Sounds like dude smoked some potent shit and fell asleep at the wheel.. kicked the descent button while turning in his sleep.. and why would the Pilot leave the cockpit a half hour into the flight to take a shit or what ever ?
Supreme leader has been learning flying for the last 6 months. He is no fool.
As Cicero is known to have said : a nation can survive its fools and even the ambitious but it cannot survive treason.
Read Airbus for Nation and you hit the button on the head!
Both pilots should probably have a key to the door, or maybe a hidden back-up key. What a terrible pathetic way to check out, with all those innocent people on board.
the captain's leak that sunk the air-titanic!
10 to 1 it has all to do with the scourge that wrecks humanty: fucking religion.
Islam is not a religion .... it's a war creed !
And what is judaism ? The tribe has been chased off by over 100 countires in 2000 years . Wherever they go thay try to take over the country .
Read the history of Germnay from ww1 to 1945 ......... The tribe tried to take over Germany and the Hitler came to power ..... Now there is AIPAC in control of the USA and Niwitnjauhu the nutjob is in charge ....... see any parallels ?
Judaism predates Christianity and Islam came even later .... Islam is the punk rock of recent religions !
Would you say the taking down of the plane and the loss of all those lives was the result of an evil act? By what standards?
Girlfriend must have changed her FB status from "in a relationship."
Without knowing what, if any buttons were being pushed while the plane descended all it really says is that he was alive and unresponsive on the other side of a locked door.
As I understand it, the co-pilot entered the necessary commands for the "controlled" descent after he was alone in the cockpit, suggesting he was alive and responsive at the time. His regular breathing did not suggest any medical condition to the investigators.
The point of impact - it must be said, even emphasized - is about 130 km, 5-6 minutes of flight time, to the three major nuclear sites: Tricastin, Marcou and Créas.
How would have reacted French Air Forces after the radar contact with Airbus was lost in mid-air eight minutes before the crash, faced with such a destructive danger?
All pilots must be issued incontinence briefs (Depends) in their fly kit ! Safety directive: From now on .... a sky marshall, armed police or military, etc. must be invited into the cabin .... discreetly .... when one of the pilots .... needs to wee wee up !
Oh never mind. It's just that wacky German sense of humor again like when they started two world wars and nobody else got the joke.
Hollande is glad it did not crash in Italy, otherwise he would not have a minor news item to divert from his own electoral crash
The reason why the cockpit door was open during flight was so that the passengers could see the pilots and feel secure knowing they were being well cared for. It is really eerie to be in a plane and see that locked door. I hate it even though I know that 90% of the flight is automated. It takes the humanity out of flying.
The locked cockpit door is a bullshit contrivance to make people think the government did something about 9/11, just like putting 100k fat black people in charge of airport security.
What pisses me off more than anything is that my son will never get invited up to the cockpit by the captain to "fly" the plane. Being a kid today sucks, probably the worst time in modern history to be young.
Is TSA really 100k fat black people?
I need to get out of the house more.
Give a man a fish .... you feed him for a few hours .... give him an EBT card .... and he's fat for life !
So how exactly does one get fat on $3.33/day?
Reminds me of a story. My son and I were walking the railroad tracks one day not too far away from were the trains stopped to get loaded up with grain. Well a train started coming down the track slowly towards us, and when it got near it slowed to a stop. The engineer walked out of the front door and invited my son and me on board to check out the inside. My son, who was four at the time, loved it. He got to sit in the engineer's seat and blow the horn. He thought it was amazing. I'll never forget that day.
Well it's a good thing we have safety protocols to prevent your son from harming the train should he have been a four year old terrerrrisss.
Being a kid anytime is great. Growing up sucks in general.
My kids got wings on numerous flights and never once asked me why the doors are shut to the cockpit. They are too excited about being on a plane and the destination.
I await for them to say he converted to Islam and when they say that it'll be considered an act of terrorism. If they don't say that and he is a Christian then I am going to proclaim all Christians want to crash planes.
I wonder if this is legit or if it was shoddy airline safety inspection and they are going to use the pilot as the excuse.
Or an I heart putin sticker will be found in his home.
Simple question: Was the murderer a dune-Kuhn?
Seems clear that more than one person should be in cockpit at all times. Pilot leaves and flight attendant must enter until he comes back. Seems like an easy fix.
Except if the would-be saboteur is also a martial arts expert and easily kills the flight attendant with his bare hands.
US already has that rule in place.
Not terrorism? What is it called when you take a plane down and the people in the back hear the ground alarm and start to scream? Terrorism!
Destroy the plane? WTF is that statement about? He fucking CRASHED the plane.......semantics? BS!
The news and deliberate phrasing is enought to make an idiot question the motive.......Who takes a plane into a controlled dive and says it to destroy the plane? CRASH, CRASH, CRASH
Terrorism implies a political motivation. Otherwise all crimes become some form of "terrorism" and then the word means fuck all
cia is attacking German and France
So the damaged voice data recorder was able to be listened to and reported on within 2 days of the accident, but a transcript from MH17's undamaged one is still not fully available a full 8 months after the incident. Sounds like some has something to hide.
Not only that, it was found within 3 hours of the crash in a 4 acre debris field on a mountain in the Alps. Pretty amazing huh?
Might accidentally hear the pilots talking about that suspicous SU-25 out the window..
One must consider the politically correctness of the alleged recordings.
“We’ll know our disinformation program is complete when everything the American public believes is false.” – William Casey, CIA Director (from first staff meeting, 1981)
This is what German bath room humour is all about !
Looks like there is an invisible hand to drive us towards pilotless passenger planes, the dronage.
MK-Ultra.
US and Egypt split on fatal plane crash
Suicidal pilot brought down flight 990 killing 217 people, insist NTSB sources, not a mechanical fault in the plane
EgyptAir flight 990 crash: special report
Michael Ellison in New York
Thursday 8 June 2000 21.11 EDT Last modified on Wednesday 1 October 2014 04.02 EDT
American investigators of a plane crash that killed 217 people last year are wrapping up their inquiry and may approve their conclusions without public hearings for fear of exacerbating strained relations with Egypt.
According to the New York Times, experts at the National Transportation Safety Board are more convinced than ever that a suicidal pilot caused the crash of EgyptAir 990 after it left New York last October.
But the Egyptian government is pressing the theory that the plane, a Boeing 767, developed a mechanical fault in its tail.
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The investigators still believe that the words of the plane's 59-year-old co-pilot on the cockpit voice recorder were those of a man saying a farewell prayer. As the aircraft was heading for the Atlantic, 50 miles off Nantucket Island, Gamil al-Batouti said: "Tawakilt ala Allah" or "I put my faith in God". Then the captain, Ahmed al-Habashi, who is thought to have left the cockpit, returned to say "pull up" or "help me".
Egyptians say that the Americans misunderstood the co-pilot's words, a Muslim prayer. "This prayer would never be said in times of crisis," ...
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/jun/09/egyptaircrash.usa
Egyptians refuse to believe that the Pilot of Egypt Air 990 took that plane down. I have been to a lot of coffee houses in Cairo and no Egyptian I spoke to believed it happened!
Actually, I do!
Gee, so then it wasn't about the Booz Allen contractor onboard.
So relieved to know that.
Diane Feinstein is on the case. Commercial aircraft assault weapons ban will save lives. Co-pilots on SSRIs are at the mercy of these flying murder machines. (F-22s, B-1s, et al are exempt because killing hundreds of thousands humans is extermination, not murder)
Jim Stone has some interesting commentary; http://82.221.129.208/
Who has to pay damages if it was a suicide ?
Who has to pay damages if co-pilot fell asleep after being out all night chasing hookers and blow?
If the co-pilot fell asleep with his headphones on during that half hour while the Pilot was out taking a shit would he be able to hear banging on the door or would the mono-tone voice of some distant air-controller's voice be weaved into what ever he was dreaming at the time?
Zanny Air?
Zoloft Crash?
The co-pilot had to have disabled the over-ride to allow entry by code into the cockpit. They also stated it sounded like he wedged the door closed just to be sure.
Honestly, if this was a grievance with Lufthansa, this would be one hell of a way to cause chaos. I mean, how do you even protect against this? What do you even call it? It is one thing to screen people for terrorist ties, changes in behavior, etc but when you have seemingly lucid, sane pilots crashing planes for no apparent reason it is just chilling. I mean, they already have safeguards (a door code) to help prevent what happened but it sounds like the co-pilot found a way to wedge the door shut. Not much you can do if a pilot is determined to crash the plane.
Of course Fox is using the term 'terrorism'.
Terrorism = Money (for the media)
Scaring people = Money (for the media)
Terrorism = Votes for the politicians.
Or to put it another way, we're all being played everyday.
http://projectcamelot.org/Report_from_Iron_Mountain.pdf
re. chapters 5 and 6
I only believe half of what I see out the window, all else is simply conjecture and not worth my short time on this earth...
It was suicide by the Co-Pilot,that's the plain truth.It is similar to what Japanese fighter pilots did during the second world war.No one can imagine the horror experienced by the passengers on that flight,just like the same feeling of horror experienced by American Navy Personnel defending their ships.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hx4Avy4jAPk
Like the folk on the U.S.S. Liberty?
you beat me to it!
The act was certainly suicidal but why take out all those people with him? He could have hung himself at home or something. The fact that he had absolutely nothing to say was even more bizaare.
Picture showing him in San Francisco proves he's a communist.
in front of the Golden gate bridge...famous launch pad for suicides
Good!...
he looks more like a flight attendant than a pilot
Better!...
Best!...
WORD
Possibly gay too?
Its going to take more than a boxcutter to bring down a plane these days. The only reason 9/11 happened is the people on those planes thought they might end up in Havana or some other 3rd world shithole while the powers that be negociated for their freedom.
You try to take over a plane with a boxcutter today and the passengers will laugh at you before they kick you into a coma
Smilin..... -- "boxcutter" you write. Is there anymore of that koolade available? I want some, but for my own purpose.
How recently did he convert to Islam?
Converts, to anything, make the best zealots.
I don 't buy it and here's why:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEJCmrhDh9U
Plane jobs are their specialty. As your astute readers have pointed out, we need the passenger manifest.
Yes, but who were the Americans?
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Background Experience Associate Booz Allen HamiltonIf the thought is that this was done to specifically kill someone, why crash a plane? There are 1001 simpler ways to assassinate someone, and do so quietly. Why bring attention with something as spectacular and high profile as a plane crash.
I just thought it interesting she works for Booz....If she was a Suzie Homemaker on Holiday it wouldn't matter.
Plot thickens.....
You're right though, killing 149 people in collateral damage form is overkill. But who knows.
Testing a secret weapon.
Making certain people scared.
All good reasons to destroy an aircraft to a psychopath.
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Facebook account Andreas Lubitz shows Islam Hero?more here
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Suicide? In slow motion? Hmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
He really wanted to savor it, didn't he?
Was Marvin Bush running security at the airport? O' wait that was 9/11... Guess I am a conspiracy theorist.
Historically speaking in the age of flight, Germans have killed a lot of people and wrecked a lot of planes...Japs gave it a good go, and a fellow can appreciate the effort, but they are just too respectful of mechanical things to make it a Genetic trait, it was more of a statement than anything...Muslims are relative newcomers to this phenomenon...However, if you cross a German with a Muslim, now you got something!
Americans have probably done more damage from planes than either Germans or Saudis or Palestinians..........
You must be some sort of sand nigga
I don't know how you fix this one. Even if there was an additional individual in the cockpick a surprise attack by a psychopath could eliminate one flight attendant. It's hard to prevent a suicide mission by an insider whose job is to not crash the plane.
Scorned metrosexual who didn't get buttfucked during a Mile High Club point event. Another depressed homo taking the lives of others because the Captain wouldn't suck his sausage. Welcome to Hollywood script written ideas.
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http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HJSw5gGYW6A
FYI.
Another ELF weapon tested?
Did he have a chip in his head?
I suppose there isn't a head to autopsy?
This was a message for someone, maybe Merkel.
Hey Merkel, don't go BRICS baby!
You be our bitch!
He seems to be a John McCain kind of pilot
wait till we find out he was on zoloft, adderall, perc.....part of the perscruption mind altering madness drug culture we have.
Bingo
What happened to all the voice recorders on 911?
All vaporized by jet fuel, I suppose.
Yes - almost everthing vaporized.
Only a paper passport - identifying a terrrrr'rst hijacker - could survive that steel-melting inferno.
If this guy really did what they are saying, it will be quite obvious.
Modern aircraft not only have a black box, they have something called a QAR, which downloads all aircraft parameters to the company HQ.
If this guy had a seizure in the cockpit, he could have knocked the autopilot off by hitting the side stick and started a descent. That's just giving him the benefit of the doubt, which the moron press never does.
If he was using the autopilot to descend, he would have had to wind down the altitude and pulled a knob to start the aircraft down, what is called, Open Descent, in Airbus jargon. He would also probably have deployed the speed brakes or wound up the speed. All would be sure bets it was deliberate, and easy to discover on a QAR or black box.
The other option is manual flight, autopilot and maybe auto thrust off, easily picked up by the same.
The cockpit door also has a pass code for entry, and a beeping sound in the cockpit, with a cockpit camera to I'D who wants access in the foward gally.
To stop someone from entering the cockpit, the pilot must pull a switch to over ride, denying access. If he does not the door automatically opens after 30 seconds.
As Commander Zero and his cohorts in the District of Criminals would say - WORKPLACE VIOLENCE. Nothing to see here.
So can we say that 911 was a series of cascading aviation accidents with kenetic implications for infrastructure and population clusters?
The Co-Pilot was a German citizen.... Naturalized? Where was his birth? There is more to this story than meets the eye when reading their dry and washed comments... Wanted to destroy the plane,,, lol. yea, right.
Note how government that fixes everything causes everything. Years ago when people were still treated as citizens and not domesticated farm animals they carried weapons. Almost zero terrorism and the cockpits were open.
Fast forward to today. Like in the streets only the criminals have guns, badged or otherwise. The locked cockpit shows the absolute height, and stupidity of the security meme. Next we will hear about requiring more than one person in the cockpit at all times. Used to be that there were always three counting the navigator. Apparently they have eliminated another position for their sacred profit margin and stock prices.
Armed law abiding citizens would eliminate well over ninety percent of possible plane take overs which eliminate the need for locked cockpit doors.Of course in todays fearful and security conscious society this would never fly. Citizens today have no problem putting their lives and the lives of their loved ones in total control of one or two people and government goes out of it's way to assist in assuring the cattle are disarmed and completely vulnerable.
So fly the friendly skies.
PS: Where is the data from that long forgotten Malaysian flight that crashed in Ukraine? How about the ATC tapes of said flight. The speed of 'decoding' this German tragic crash is testament we are being bullshitted once again by our beloved governments. But, hey,,, we like being bullshitted.
Cracked windshield while inducement of Autoerotic asphyxiation.
The Official David Carradine® scenario.
MH17 was a clusterfuck beyond imagination. We will never know what actually happened. The air powers that be were immediatley searching the Straits of Malacca and for 12-24 hours after. Right down the hill from my abode. I watched their efforts.
I suspect many things, but that amounts to zero.
This Germanwings disaster seems to have had a deliberate cause. Look into the copilot and pilot's lives to find the cause. One should not overlook complicity between the two as well as the identities of all passengers and any threats to them.
It's too soon to assume 'religious finaticism' and we should hope that's not the cause.
Obvious what happened, he was either being jilted by his lover, lover's sex yet unknown, but his lover maybe was on the flight.
OR, far more likely, he worked at the Post Office while in pilot school.
Seriously, it seems to me that a device palm print of the Captain should override everything else, or C4 explosive secretly stashed somewhere outside the cockpit. Yeah, I know, blowing up stuff is risky at 35,000ft but so is a power struggle with a mountain. I suspect this is like a county bureaucrat finally putting in a stop light or round-about at a dangerous intersection after a few fatal accidents have occurred.
His parents raised a monster, the selfish prick could have blown his own brains out without killing everyone else. There are at least an average of 10 additional lives devastated for every life taken by that wasted skin. I would interview his parents, teachers and friends extensively. It's too important to let it slide as a deranged POS.
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Dirty Hasbara troll.
co-pilot went on strike the way it is effective
The media dramatizes it's own compromising theories to sell the newz. This is funny shit.
Human malfunction.
Bullsh*t. Propaganda! Where the jet fighter disappear? Why the plane went out of course far south in the Alps?
The plane was remote controlled. Period.
Andreas Lubitz
http://www.hebrewsurnames.com/LUBITZ
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Muslim????????
dont mess with the missionary man
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t7E2a3efr3w
For me it's not the Co-pilot responsible for this tradegy - it is the paranoid system that let this happen. An emergency code for the door which can be blocked from insite the cockpit not given any chance to get into the cockpit again!?
Congratulations - we really life in the "golden epoch of idots".
BTW this story of the suicide does not make sense at all. The co-pilot makes jokes with the captain before, he loved his job and was a happy, funny person according to his close social environment.
In case anyone didn't realize it, when you enter a passenger plane you are, plain and simple, putting your life in the hands of strangers who you know nothing about- absolutely nothing. You are giving them the power of life and death over you, for the duration of the flight.
I have driven forklifts and telehandlers in the past for a company and still do from time to time. On occasion, a manbasket is attached to forks on these devices. I've been the operator on them when I haul a man up a distance to change lighting as a primary example. He's quite safe as he is wearing a fall harness. I understand them from my days working at height.
You are correct that pilots have the power of life and death, as indeed I'm granted the same somber responsibility each time whenever I do this, but you're missing out that if (and each time) you drive a motor vehicle, you're essentially doing the SAME THING!
Nevertheless, it will be interesting to ponder why in the hell a pilot who has given so much to achieve his goal of commercial flight would do such a vile, evil act. It makes reality TV such a "meh!" thing in comparison.
Re the motor vehicle analogy, I disagree. When I'm on the road, I am piloting my vehicle. Yes, there are many other vehicles being piloted around me, but I can take evasive maneuvers to avoid a lone lunatic seeking to kill me with her vehicle. In the airplane, we are all utterly helpless.
Considering the investment structure of commercial air transportation, this story is bullshit. Airplanes make robot cars look like google glasses. In a few years the criminals will be more surgical about it - killer robot cars for individual dissidents. Breitbartmobiles.
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German jokes will not be appreciated on ZH
why is his relgion not an issue? his name is not muslim or christian....
Remove the "terrorist" doors on the planes, get rid of the TSA and let any passenger that is able to leagally acquire a firearm bring one on the plane if they wish. Planes will not longer be targeted.
PS: This solution works on trains, buses, in the general public, etc.
tu no cede malice!
A shootout on a plane at 10,000 feet….
Hey, why not.
If terrorist knew that numerous passengers were armed, how (and for what purpose) would they try to take control of the plane. Alternatively, the airlines could just post signs over the gate saying "No Terrorists" similar to the "No Firearms" postings.
This depends on how deep the TSA rolls out it's VIPR program(s). They've already done various runs on a few trains and buses. Hopefully the economic spiral will take it down the rathole before it's fully implemented.
This doesn't quite add up, but then again, what does nowadays?...
He either did it deliberatly or he is some kind of manchurian candidate (<-- conspiracy).
So who was on that passenger list?
3 theories:
A) He just broke up in a relationship and would rather take his own life rather than live on
B) How are the working conditions at Germanwings? I assume pretty good b/c Germany has strong benefits for workers, but have they cut back anything recently? I would think that American/Asian pilots (who get paid dogshit compares to what the airline execs make) would be more apt to do this due to the "going postal" factor of stress amidst stagnating wages, rising living costs, etc.
C) The third (and most scary) theory - this was politically motivated, and someone thought someone on that plane had to go, other passengers be damned.
B) Maybe he feared Austerity and living in poverty during old age?
Close but no cookie. See my post below (or whereever). And have your gaydar checked.
Close but no cookie. See my post below (or whereever). And have your gaydar checked.
More and more, option C may well be the go-to. I wonder if the Malaysian flight wasn't subject to exactly that. Even flight KAL 007 years back likely had that going for it.
Here's the lesson here: either do away with these locked doors on the cockpit or.....put a microwave and a bathroom in the cockpit. Bottom line, no one should be left by themselves in the cockpit of an airliner because you......just.....never......know.
Or if both were to leave the cockpit and the door locks. The ultimate "scheißen" moment where no control could be given would be realized. Then it's a matter of finding some sort of battering ram and everyone able-bodied to try and tear down the door. Wait... Security said we couldn't have one on board? Oh my...
Here's the lesson here: either do away with these locked doors on the cockpit or.....put a microwave and a bathroom in the cockpit. Bottom line, no one should be left by themselves in the cockpit of an airliner because you......just.....never......know.
i have a better idea - get rid of pilots alltogether
modern planes these days can autofly
LOL...i know computers, you sir have no knowledge of computers
Can you say the same about automobiles? (I see major Epic Fail on that one!)
Already, drone aircraft in the military have been hacked by our enemies, but maybe we have too many PEOPLE on the planet. Please include a few criminal bank$ters on at least one of these autoflights.
I do love this site! It is the only place on line that you can give your unvarnished opinion and the others will not whine about it. Here's the rest of this story. I am as gay as the day is long and thrilled about it. My gaydar went off right away - same as that 9/11 Atta guy ( he was text book). The frosting on the cake was the one pic he chose to put forth to all the world on Facebook - him at Mecca, er, San Fran Cisco. It is tragic that many still have the lingering resentment at being born gay. The world is not such that one is accepted at birth ( and likely never will be) but has moved light years from when I fought it for 30 years. At least once I faced reality I embraced it while feeling no need to punish the world for it nor even leave my Catholic faith. My heart goes out to the families of all involved. the co pilot may have had some sympathy for the radicals of the world but, trust me, the trigger was self hate of his sexuality. It is, as I always say, at the heart of who we are and how we live.
You're saying he killed everyone because he hated his gayness or was damaged by others' hatred of this gayness? Not sure I believe that. The Depression angle doesn't work eiither. When you are that far into the spiral, you usually can't even get out of bed, much less navigate and airport and fly a jet.
Co-pilot said to have 630 hours of flight time.
Shit - I have a little more time than than, and I assure you that you would not want me flying any Airbus you were in (course I don't have any 'time in type') even if I was 'only' the co-pilot. That is a pitafull lack of time for flying 2nd seat on a regional jet that can carry 150-180 passengers - more suitable for a short-haul twin turbo aircraft that hauls 30-40 and maxes out at 20 K feet altitude, if that.
a perfect candidate for next 9/11 is dead.
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Especially since he wasnt brown or Muslim!
exactly.
if the guy turned out to be muslim - it would be called terror. Christian - the act of a lone madman.
Jewish... a victim of depression and tough circumstances....
You're falling behind, there are so many Jewish toilets for you yet to clean. You do want scraps tonight from the human's table don't you?
"CNN is reporting that the Government of France has formally requested the American Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) to assist with the Germanwings investigation."
Strike France and Germany from having their own sovereignty (as well as The Netherlands and Ukraine)
Now we'll never know the truth.
"Lufthansa said both pilots were trained at the Lufthansa Flight Training School in Bremen."
"Carsten Spohr, CEO of Lufthansa, said the two pilots trained in Phoenix, Arizona and that the co-pilot started in 2008 after watiing for eight months. He first worked as a flight attendant."
Both statements from the same news article from the Telegraph Uk
Carsten Spohr should resign and the co-pilot was a fucking fudge-packer, not that there's anything wrong with it.
My wife took her first airplane flight ever from Kiev to Warsaw with me. I told her that they would not issue her a parchute unless she explicitly asked for one. At the time, her subsequent request was good fun and a laugh for the boarding agent and ourselves. Now, I'm starting to think that the feasability of parachute evacuation of a commercial aircraft needs to be seriously examined. Sure, many casualties on landing, especially in the Alps, but at least everyone gets a fighting chance to live.
i dont believe its feasible to exit a commerical jetliner with a parachute unless you have some sort of ejection seat mechanism. (although db cooper did it, there is no way to say for certain he survived) the airspeed is too great, and by that time the plane in is no longer under control and is pitching and turning. they could of course create large breakaway containers that would have parachutes attached, but it would be very expensive, and corporate america usually finds it much cheaper to simply pay off the surviving family members, now that most of us have no jobs, or not good jobs anyway, our lifetime earnings potential is much smaller than it used to be, the economics of transportation safety tend to favor settling with the lawyers after the accident.
screw that man, I'd take my chances with the parachute at extreme velocity. airplanes turn into blenders when they meet the ground.
Andreas Lubitz flew that plane the same way Obama is piloting the USA.
On April 7, 1994, Federal Express Flight 705, a McDonnell Douglas DC-10-30 cargo jet carrying electronics across the United States from Memphis, Tennessee to San Jose, California, experienced an attempted hijacking for the purpose of a suicide attack.
Auburn Calloway, a Federal Express employee facing possible dismissal for lying about his reported flight hours, boarded the scheduled flight as a deadheading passenger with a guitar case carrying several hammers and a speargun. He intended to disable the aircraft's cockpit voice recorder before take-off and, once airborne, kill the crew with hammers so their injuries would appear consistent with an accident rather than a hijacking. The speargun would be a last resort. He would then crash the aircraft while just appearing to be an employee killed in an accident. This would make his family eligible for a $2.5 million life insurance policy paid by Federal Express.[1]
Calloway's plan was unsuccessful. Despite severe injuries, the crew was able to fight back, subdue Calloway and land the aircraft safely. An attempt at a mental health defense was unsuccessful and Calloway was subsequently convicted of multiple charges including attempted murder, attempted air piracy and interference with flight crew operations. He received two consecutive life sentences. Calloway's appeal was successful in having his conviction for interference ruled as a lesser included offense of attempted air piracy.[2] To date, Calloway has not received any possibility of parole....
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Express_Flight_705
+1 for your name
"anything is possible"
What you're quoting there is a very different background and profile than what we're dealing with here. I suspect you read and understand German. Check into A. Lubitz from Montabaur's online profile. Does this sound like a potential suicide 'come mass murderer to you?
Come on! There are many more possible explanations why the co-pilot was incapable of flying the plane and could not open the cockpit door such as acute cardiac arrest and poisoning exhaust fumes in the cabin air. As long as no further evidence is available the conclusion that the co-pilot deliberately destroyed the plane is quite silly.
The A320 has a remote hijack recovery which means it can be flown by remote control. Why did the first report (from the daily mail)of this include eyewitness accounts of a huge long explosion and then two fighter jets were seen passing by? The very next reports scrubbed the eyewitness accounts of fighter jets. I believe we will find the truth once (if ever) we get the passenger list.
The first reports I heard over the radio newswires stated there WAS a distress call of some sort. Funny how small details like this are often reversed or left out later. Just like the early reports and eye witness accounts at Sandy Hook, etc.
When cruising altitude of 38000 feet was established the Captain went to the toilet to have a piss.
Now there was nothing to do until the Alps had been crossed and they would initiate and dial in the 1500 fpm descent into Germany.
However the copilot had different Ideas. As soon as the captain had left the cockpit, the copilot locked the door and dialed in a 4000 feet per minute descent into the fly by wire A320 flight-computer,innitiating immediate descent. The captain returns and tries to enter the cockpit, but access is denied, even after several calls and punching in the special code to access. The copilot pushed the lock button from inside, which locked the door for 5 minutes longer denying access to everyone else including the captain.
this was a controlled flight into terrain, innitiated by the pilot in the cockpit who had to dial the numbers into the flightcomputer to innitiate a radical 4000fpm early descent
and crash the A320 into the Alps at 6000ft, for the sole reason of killing himself and everyone else on board.
The Passengers must have been aware of all the drama for the last few minutes, as the captain tried desperately to enter the cockpit door and tried to break it down and bang and scream for the copilot to open.All this can be heard on the CVR.
The A320 is fly by wire, which means that unusual commands had to be punched into the computer, or else the A320 would have continued to cruise at 38000ft at the assigned altitude that was programmed into the flight-computer at the time the Captain went to the Toilet.
The copilot had to physically change the flightpath in order to innitiate the 8 minute 4000fpm descent into the side of the mountain.
this guy had 630 flying hours, 28 years old a brilliant future, but some major problems...i.e. wife, Girlfriend, money, stockmarket losses, pressure, trauma, depression for any kind of reason, some kind of PTSD maybe a loss of some kind...pilots are only people after all and some can crack under pressure like all of us.
I blame that Idiotic door safety mechanism.....after 9/11 its a kneejerk reaction death trap!
but I bet you anything, that pilot was mentally unstable and he must have planned this ....
or else he could not sit there for 8 minutes, watching his intented flightpath unfold to the very end...
without a word, just the sound of his breathing to the very end, listening to their screams...killing everyone.
Andreas Lübitz was an ice-cold killer, and he planned to kill himself and all 150 people.
This is not suicide, this is mass murder...even terrorism.
I will call this guy a terrorist.
there is no excuse for all that happened!
WR;)