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Government Report Finds DEA Agents Had "Sex Parties" With Prostitutes Hired By Drug Cartels
Submitted by Mike Krieger via Liberty Blitzkrieg blog,
Although some of the DEA agents participating in these parties denied it, the information in the case file suggested they should have known the prostitutes in attendance were paid with cartel funds. A foreign officer also alleged providing protection for the DEA agents’ weapons and property during the parties, the report said. The foreign officers further alleged that in addition to soliciting prostitutes, three DEA SSAs [special agents] in particular were provided money, expensive gifts, and weapons from drug cartel members.
* A deputy U.S. Marshal “entered into a romantic relationship” with a fugitive’s spouse and would not break off the relationship for more than a year, even after being told by supervisors to end it.
* An ATF “Director of Industry Operations” had “solicited consensual sex with anonymous partners and modified a hotel room door to facilitate sexual play.” The ATF employee even disabled a hotel’s fire detection system, and when caught by the hotel, said he had done it before.
– From the Politico article: DEA Agents Had ‘Sex Parties’ with Prostitutes, Watchdog Says
There’s no agency in government more vehemently opposed to ending the immoral and counterproductive “war on drugs” than the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA). Now we know why.
From Politico:
Agents of the Drug Enforcement Administration reportedly had “sex parties” with prostitutes hired by drug cartels in Colombia, according to a new inspector general report released by the Justice Department on Thursday.
In addition, Colombian police officers allegedly provided “protection for the DEA agents’ weapons and property during the parties,” the report states. Ten DEA agents later admitted attending the parties, and some of the agents received suspensions of two to 10 days.
Suspensions of two to ten days. That’ll teach ‘em.
The Oversight panel is also investigating allegations into the Secret Service that agents there hired prostitutes in Colombia while advancing a trip for President Barack Obama.
Moreover,the report states that DEA, ATF and the Marshals Service repeatedly failed to report all risky or improper sexual behavior to security personnel at those agencies.
“The foreign officer allegedly arranged ‘sex parties’ with prostitutes funded by the local drug cartels for these DEA agents at their government-leased quarters, over a period of several years,” the IG report says.
“Although some of the DEA agents participating in these parties denied it, the information in the case file suggested they should have known the prostitutes in attendance were paid with cartel funds. A foreign officer also alleged providing protection for the DEA agents’ weapons and property during the parties,” the report said. “The foreign officers further alleged that in addition to soliciting prostitutes, three DEA SSAs [special agents] in particular were provided money, expensive gifts, and weapons from drug cartel members.”
The IG’s office asserts that DEA officials did not fully comply with their requests for information during the probe.
* A deputy U.S. Marshal “entered into a romantic relationship” with a fugitive’s spouse and would not break off the relationship for more than a year, even after being told by supervisors to end it;
* An ATF “Director of Industry Operations” had “solicited consensual sex with anonymous partners and modified a hotel room door to facilitate sexual play.” The ATF employee even disabled a hotel’s fire detection system, and when caught by the hotel, said he had done it before;
While these agents will almost undoubtedly receive no real punishment, perhaps some good will come from this: End the idiotic war on drugs.
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Are they accepting job applications?
Sounds like a great gig if you can get it.
Deep cover in the spy game. If they had to sex hookers and snort blow for years and years without any arrests, on the taxpayers dime, it was just so they could establish credibility with the gangs. Then someday, maybe or maybe not, make a bust.
Why the fuck is it a crime to take drugs anyway?
I think you should at least have to pay for them, no?
And to think my comment about ATF and ammo companies possibly conspiring to artificially inflate the price of ammo was met with derision...
Doug Valentine. It's right here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J80UC34SH8c
It’s a crime to take drugs because they actually expand parts of the brain that controls creativity and introspective thoughts. If you've smoked weed, THC or have done shrooms in a controlled enrinching environment you may have expanded a level of conscience. Man made hallucinogenic (LSD) work too but Earth's products are probably best.
Hallucinogenic from the Earth are actually an integral part of a boy's initiation into man hood. Amazonian male elders and shaman’s would notice when boys start going through puberty then take them to a male initiation ritual and take Ayahuasca. This releases DMT in the brain which is released at time of birth and time of death. The visions the boys have would be very spiritual and personal to the initiate. They would also visualize death and meet death in order to conquer their fear of death. To conquer the fear of death, to accept death and to ultimately respect death was the purpose of the initiation. The drugs helped considerably to a level that otherwise wouldn't happen. That’s why the gov’t rather keep you stifled and boyish rather than a man and a formidable warrior of your tribe.
Isn't the whole dept in denial.
Billy Ray Valentine... CAPRICORN...
Drug catels catering DEA agents' parties.
I guess this is what you call "professional courtesy".
government capture.
Haha, fucking Hollyweird. How many movies and shows have they made portraying the drug cartels and the DEA as mortal enemies? Wrong again you clueless, ivory-tower, devil-worshiping faggots.
Even Satan has standards. Would appear "not America tho."
How these folks even look in the mirror anymore is beyond me.
How the American people feel about "their Government" is not in doubt however. Sgt. Bo Bergdahl is the problem? Well, apparently they had their guns pointed in the wrong direction would appear.
Go ahead, Congress...take a trip up to Idaho if you like. Taint like they don't have real money up there...
Just keep printing those Clownbux and calling it the dollar. You will start kow-towing to the real bill payer here shortly however.
That ain't China mo fo's...
Regardless of the reasons drugs are illegal the end result is like my boy Ronnie Paul says, "The war on drugs is a war on our Liberties... If we're able to read books to pur ideas in our heads, worship a relegion to put a certain faith in our hearts, why must the gov't stop at what we put in our bodies? Its about time we ended the war on drugs!"
Video of his speach just said in a different way: https://youtu.be/1AClVtlrjeI?t=69
If there's no Midgets, then I'm out.
Uhhhuhhhuhuhuhhh....get higher baby
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOclc4VLP40
Drug cartels, pedophiles....it's all good - Bill Clinton
For 20 years or so I've been saying that if everybody in the world smoked pot, there would be no war.
But consider the shortage of snack food.... The horror
good enough for congress good enough for any agency
Where the f is Hank Shrader?
munchies galore
Just a fun company outing to remind all employees who works for whom.
So the cartels and the DEA work together to remove the competition.
I don't think the drug cartels would like you comparing them to DEA scum. At least the drug cartels provide a product unlike the DEA parasites.
You bet. Criminal enterprises are run like businesses whereas government is nothing but a disguise for various frat houses with taxpayer funded carte blanche. Then they promote their and or their friends' spawn to ensure the next generation of frat houses disguised as government. As long as there is one last taxpayer in America they will continue to squander everything they touch and tell us it's for our benefit.
What a joke... if I throw a party with hookers and drugs I get arrested.
I would start a revolution over hookers and drugs, it's a basic right :)
They already 'allegedly' supplied the cartels with all their US made controlled weapons so I guess one good turn deserves another eh? It's called professional courtesy. Oh and while they were doing that, they were actively doing everything they could to take them away from you and me or at least make us good guys jump through 50 paperwork hoops to obtain them. The bad guys? Not so much.
We don't want your drugs around here, LOUIE.
"Isn't the whole dept in denial."
No, the great majority of the United States population is in denial.
I thought denile is in Egypt?
This is a common misconception... Drugs do not make us more creative... sometimes they help creative people focus... or drown out the noise (the tumultuous things many creative people call "life")... but, at best, drugs don't create anything any more than steroids make people hit home runs.
Drugs certainly have their place... but, the notion that drugs are illegal simply because they're "conscious expanding" is patently false. Further, so is your conspiracy theory, given the powers that be would be more than happy for you to stay drugged and complacent. As there is less need for human labor, there are more useless eaters, whom all could use a good pacifier. Expect more drugs in our future, not less. The illegality of drugs has more to do with paying a tariff to consolidated power than some fear of expanding your mind... that's nothing short of a desperate justification for one's own drug use. Good luck.
See you're referring them as drugs while other who respect the effect refer to them as medicine.
http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/turn-on-tune-in-get-better-psychedelic-drugs-hold-medical-promise/
Debating over any of this is pointless. The DEA should not exist, as it is not the proper role of govt to tell adults why they can do with their own bodies.
Suspended for 2-10 days???? Are you fucking kidding me???? If a junior ranking enlisted person in any military branch did that, it would be an instant career ender, instant dishonorable discharge. But LESS is expected out of these clowns in these alphabet agencies who are given far greater responsibilities and a lot higher pay.
Try getting found with a trace of THC, or even a properly-prescribed and legal opioid painkiller, in your urine in any one of many jobs, and see where your career goes. Thanks to these cunts in the DEA and their mates. A bit more than a few days suspension, I can assure you.
Just to be clear..
Suspended for 2-10 days with pay, just like every shit head cop that shoots an unarmed citizen in the line of duty, they get a fucking paid vacation.
So, if we look at Pavlov's work, we can pretty much assume this.
DEA gets hookers and blow, the illegal activity results in administrative leave with pay. For those of you that practice english as a second language, that's called a fucking vacation here in the real world...
So illegal and yet gratifying activity results in paid days off, where you may be able to go get more hookers and blow from your friends.
I know, it seems so obviuos even a high school grad can figure it out, but instead, lets throw a few million at the GAO and see if they can have a retreat in St. Thomas and do hookers and blow and figure it out.
Or maybe we as the enslaved will continue to go to work and give those sorry motherfuckers in Mordor 35 percent of our labor so they can continue to fund this shit.
panem et circusem (sp)
I suggest you look up "Cocaine-crazed Negroe" on Wikipedia for starters. Next, consider who benefits when Authorities ban drugs that lead the partakers to question Authority. Finally, ask yerself why does established religion always support the destruction of ethnobiogenetic plants and fungi.
And I am sure you are speaking from personal experience just like the stupid fuckers who first wrote what you just parroted.
Juggernaut, would you be so kind as to direct me to the nearest Ayahuasca store?
search peru ayahuasca retreat. there are a lot of 1 week retreats, some going as long as three months with daily ayahuasca sessions.
Go to Amazon.com
http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_ss_i_4_9?url=search-alias%3Daps&field-keywords=ayahuasca%20kit&sprefix=ayahuasca%2Caps%2C2629
(You do not need to go to the actual Amazon...)
Before buying it is best to research. Read this.
http://ultraculture.org/blog/2013/12/24/buy-ayahuasca-amazon/
Hope that helps. Enjoy puking your guts out.
(Now I need to chew on some San Pedro Cactus as it is legal Peyote. No problem. I have got some growing right outside my front door...Maybe I will grind up 10 grams of Morning Glory seed, or Wood Rose Seed (Genus Ipomea), put that in a Milkshake and drink it. The Lysergic Acid Amides, the precursor to LSD, will trip you for 12 Hours.)
Or you can always resort to the Robo-Strut. Drink an entire bottle of Robotussin-DM (Dextromethorphan is the psychactive).
It will fuck you up.
But you will pay for that in spades the next day or two. I do not suggest that at all.
Good comment Juggs. Hallucegenics played a positive role of my development. Expansionary visions, enheightened sense of surroundings, and just laughing my ass off...all important...all enjoyed. Fuk da police
Used to know a field in UK where you couldn't jump over the (dry stone) wall without landing in 'shrooms!
Here is one example why mind-altering drugs must never be allowed. It would be impossible to wage war.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SX7m4fqTLKU
Thank you Dr. Albert Hofmann for making the universalty experience such a profound learning experience, hundreds of times! Thanks Gaia for all of the naturals, too!
Just do a little research on Hofmann and the 60s drug culture.
It was an Intel agency op.
I have no problems with adults choosing what they do with their own bodies. It's not the government azzhats business. -But, just know that many of the 60s 'heroes' that so many look up to - conned you big time.
You mean I wasn't supposed to steal that book?
Depends on the drug. Benzedrine and MK-Ultra tabs come to mind.
Well said. There is the public reason for banning these substances (what about the children?). Then, there is the actual reason for banning these substances (people questioning the world around them). The last thing the government wants is a bunch of psychonauts running around taking a gigantic dump on the government's design for our lives.
If your purpose is to keep people from abusing drugs then let them be readily available.
If your purpose is to have as many people abusing drugs as possible then make them the forbidden fruit.
I got a similar enlightenment by driving on the wrong side of the freeway with my lights out at night.
Total rush. The darkness increases the colors and the terror makes you feel closer to that god-ish thing.
The good old days.
But did it last 12 hours?
Methamphetamine can produce similar experiences for that long and even longer.
Of course it is just as dangerous to one's self and others. That drug was created by Satan.
But what should I expect from shovelhead who has demonstrated his total and absolute disregard for other people's lives, with his post?
Fucking adrenaline junkies as that need to be caged to protect the rest of civilization.
Hallucinating that you've expanded your consciousness is part of the drug experience. You cite men in the Amazon as having benefited. Yes, they are so well known for their high level of civilization but where is the evidence? Never discovered electricity. Never built a hubble telescope. Don't have a space program. Don't have much of anything other than hallucigens.
Many times it has happened:
lifted out of the body
into myself;
becoming external
to all other things
and self-encentred;
beholding a marvelous beauty;
then, more than ever,
assured of community with
the loftiest order;
enacting the noblest life,
acquiring identity with the divine;
stationing within It by having attained
that activity;
poised above
whatsoever in the Intellectual
is less than the Supreme:
yet, there comes the moment
of descent from intellection
to reasoning,
and after that sojourn in the divine,
I ask myself how it happens
that I can now be descending,
and how did the Soul
ever enter into my body,
the Soul which even within the body,
is the high thing it has shown
itself to be.
Plotinus, "Enneads" IV, 8, 1
Fuckin fer 'Merca, on the taxpayer's dime. What a country.
I guess it's not as bad as extra-judicial killings?
I for one am really glad that these people are in charge of determining which plant extracts I might put into my body.
Opium? You fucking crazy? You can't take that. You have to isolate one compound, modify it, and then pay a doctor to give you a permission slip to take that. Duh. Drugs are bad. Except when they're good. But even then they're bad, so we have to tell you when you can and cannot take them. Oh, and if you take a pill that has not gone through this process, you are a criminal. Oh, and if you go through this process and happen to have one in your pocket cause you don't want to carry around a damn bottle full of pills, you can be arrested for that too.
So much Goddamn freedom rolling around my head I need to take a pill. Now where's my doctor.............
pods
Prohibition has never worked in the history of the world.
But drugs are a very lucrative business for the CIA.
The funny thing is, around here, the doctors are getting busted selling pain killers on the street! The war on drugs is now consuming the gatekeepers.
Govt punishment? ...3 day suspension
Sick
I'm just wondering what the hell they did to the hotel room door? Nah, I really don't want to know.
Probably something the wife won't do anyway.
I'm more interested in the disabled fire alarm...
.gov hates competition
Sex drugs and guns.....where do I sign up?
So true. That's why you don't read so much about the mafia and gang slayings in the states like in the past. They all moved to DC and wall street.
Steve Hughes on Drugs https://youtu.be/ohogzxiqqkM?t=56m42s
because I have to keep "rescuing" the losers that take too many drugs, I have to keep buying stuff because ADDICTS steal it, I have to keep burying people killed from drugs, and that is just he legal drugs... the illegal are worse. So you want everyone to be a crack whore? Or to herion OD! I lived in Holland with its liberal drug prolicy...pretty bad....they tightened it up and now is more conservative than the US....because people can't control themselves. So you think people should be able to debase themselves into the pit on drugs?
Yes.
For some reason, it's incredibly difficult for many people to differentiate between things that they do not approve and things that must be illegal. The former does not require a governmental infrastructure to enforce, the latter... not so much. The notion that freedom actually means being able to make bad choices has been lost on most folks.
Pure brainwashing. I know a person who smokes weed for, wait for it, 'anxiety'. They think hard drugs should stay outlawed because people can't be trusted. I kid you not.
Just because someone does something, doesn't make them an expert on that thing.
Drugs should be illegal because people will debase themselves? So lets make drugs illegal, that way society can debase them too. Because we all know making things illegal solves te problem! Drug addicts should be locked up and never be employed, right?
How do you feel about drinking and driving? I could make the case that I drive better when slightly buzzed. All of this talk is BS now that we have Obamacare. Your health has financial costs on the entire healthcare system, therefore society has a right to control your behavior and choices.
There's almost no incentive to stay healthy on your own or even work.
It feels good to be fit & healthy and is worth the effort.
Simple.
Willful incentive must originate from within the person, not by government decree.
You might very well be a medical miracle, but your anecdotal evidence runs counter to broader statistical analysis.
On the money with their rationale of having a right to control your behavior and choices due to "financial costs on the entire healthcare system". And it's such bullshit. EVERYONE has behaviors that cost the system. The PTB just choose which ones are acceptable. If it were all equal, having children would be taxed to death because you are creating a lifetime beneficiary of medical services. Kids in sports these days are destined to a lifetime of knee replacements and back pain. Why not tax the hell out of them?
The answer is no one should be told what to do. You shouldn't be legislating lifestyle through taxation. And one more thing: every policy to help people stay healthy, etc. does not save medical $$$. There is only one fact about healthcare costs you need to know: the longer the live the more you cost.
You are correct, but it doesn't matter. "All of this talk is BS now that we have Obamacare." You have been assimilated. Enjoy...
Everyone does not have behavior choices that offset each other. Im fit, eat well, dont do stupid shit, and the majority of my medical expenses incurred are preventative (an annual trip to the GP and another to a dermatologist to get moles checked). Someone's choice to be obese single-handedly outweighs all bad decisions I make, combined, in terms of health care costs.
Using the financial costs on the entire healthcare system is still bullshit. Sounds like the perfect rationale to not have universal healthcare. Or opt-in if youre foolish enough to think thats financially viable.
I respect your decisions. No problem with any of them. My only point is that the idea that "healthy living" saves cost is misplaced. In fact, anyone that dies at 50 of a heart attack should be given a bonus for saving costs to healthcare. Dont look at the fatty or smoker as a drain. The earlier they die the more healthcare costs that are saved. Only point I'm trying to make is that the use of false statements to advance the agenda of taking control of your life is the real story here. And its calculated. Live your life, do what you want to do. Pay no attention to the nonsense that has somehow been given the status of "fact" because it gets printed over and over.
Why would I give two shits if anyone drinks and drives.
Typically, in the country that was free, a crime occurred when there was damage to person or property, and even then, you had a chance to make it right before some 'law enforcement' was involved.
Drinking and driving isn't a crime, causing damage to person or property is a crime.
But like most merican's you think it's okay to prosecute precrime, and worst yet, thought crime.
You want to drink quality scotch right out of a bottle and drive your car a hundred miles an hour down the road, I really just don't care, but I keep a tighter reign on my scope and sphere of influence than most in this broken republic.
My health dosn't cost anyone shit, I pay for what little healthcare I need with dirty twenty dollar bills, and I don't fill out useless forms asking about firearms in my house. But most people can't be that responsible in merica either.
Fucking Orwell was an optimist.
"The notion that freedom actually means being able to make bad choices has been lost on most folks."
x 1,000,000
Nail on the fucking head. If people don't like it or don't agree with it personally they think it should automatically be illegal. These people think government is meant to be mommy and daddy.
We smell some people ...
We smoked some people ...
We fuck some people ...
hehe.
+100. We're the govt and we're here to help. LOL
I agree with both of your comments Mr Pods; BUT, the only way that drugs should be legalized is if there is absolutely no involvement from government on either end. Specifically, no government aid for rehab, no free needle programs, no gov STD clinics, no gov HIV clinics, no gov food programs, no gov abortion programs, no gov dental programs, no gov help with prescriptions to treat all the illnesses caused by the drugs, no gov program to reimburse hospitals for the millions upon millions of dollars spent caring for the drugged out and homeless, and if like the guy above who drove down the wrong side of the highway with his lights off and he kills my sister and her grandchildren while gorked out of his mind then I have the right to put a 22 bullet in his head. Wipe all of this out and actually much more and then you can legalize drugs.
So, you blame the Leviathan Govt also...kewl! :>D
snoftx, the cost of all the services you listed isn't a 10th of what the Drug War's enforcement and imprisonment costs. Your argument is wrong both morally and mathematically. If it costs the state providing SOME very limited services (swap your needles here type stuff, and even then I don't think you need .gov as much as having them stop fucking with the private charities who try to help people) so anyone can enjoy the natural right to consume drugs while minimizing the negative effects on others, that is a legitimate function of government. I'm sure you don't have a problem with them protecting your property rights through a fire department putting out your neighbors house fire so it doesn't destroy yours. The cost of those services being far less than the cost of prohibition makes it prudent as well as moral.
Holland. Conservative. Haha.
(Pssst, the illegal ones are still avaliable, and they drive a lot of the violent crime because they are illegal these days.)
Its a crime because they are not listed on any exchange, and you cant speculate on their futures.
Or, said differently, because making it illegal allows a few to profit enormously at the expense of the common good.
THEY use the law to commit crime.
Could you imagine what a Goldman Sachs release on the Crystal Meth Futures market would read like?
Big Pharm hates competition.
"Big Pharm hates competition."
that is the truth and I have no idea who would downvote that fact except a big pharma bot.
They even fund their own hit squad scientific frauds, the FDA and USDA.
The big pharma cartel are drug pushers peddling legalized poison.
You're damn right. They can't patent a plant. But I'm sure they'll find a way to sink their teeth into it.
It's a crime so drugs will be more expensive, profitable.
DetectiveStern, as with all questions regarding political issues, follow the money to its SOURCE: the banksters were able to skim the cream of the profits from making drugs illegal.
The "idiotic war on drugs" has been a fantastically successful war based on deceits, in order to back up the basic debt slavery systems. By and large, the background is that the established systems are nothing but organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition groups.
Almost everyone who is published on Zero Hedge fits into the range of controlled opposition groups, although more towards the end of that range that recognizes the degree to which governments have become the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gang of criminals, which currently are the international banksters. However, those who denounce the apparent "failures" of the war on drugs tend to mostly be mainstream morons, or reactionary revolutionaries, who do not understand warfare, because they do not want to.
Meanwhile, the War on Terror is winding up now, in order to take over from the War on Drugs, as that winds down. Although those were both wars based on deceits, in order to back up the debt slavery systems, the War on Terror is rapidly becoming orders of magnitude worse than the War on Drugs ever was.
I suspect that many of the people who work inside of the various governmental agencies that provide the legalized violence to back up the legalized lies are aware of that basic situation, although they would never admit that to be the case publicly. If that suspicion was correct, then it would partially explain the news story above.
Everyone must necessarily live within some system of organized lies operating robberies. Those who work for the DEA used to be out on the frontiers of being able to be the best available professional liars and immaculate hypocrites, whose job it was to provide the legalized violence to back up the legalized lies about "drugs." Since the "war on drugs" was about 75% a war against marijuana, the war against marijuana was the single simplest symbol, and the most extreme particular example of the degree to which the things that the DEA was doing were runaway criminal insanities, which backfired badly in every way, EXCEPT were fantastically successful in enabling organized crime to flourish, while the profits from the illegal drugs would end up going through the biggest banks, which had already effectively captured control over the government.
Now the old war on drugs is taking a back seat to the new war on terror, which must be relatively discouraging for the DEA agents. Given that their careers were based on backing up legalized lies with violence, the same as Wall Street careers were based on enforced frauds, it makes sense that they would turn for solace from that in hookers and blow. After all, most them are presuming that they will be able to amass enough of a crooked fortune to be able to retire confortably, while indulging in the perks of their job before that happens. (And they all may well be right, unless the trajectory towards economic collapses into chaos are accelerated to happen faster than their natural life span after retirement.)
In my view, while the superficial notions regarding why the war on drugs should be ended have recently become relatively mainstream, those doing that have mostly become disgusting forms of controlled opposition, who deliberately do not promote more radical truths regarding the drug wars, but only speak about the superficial failures, without paying attention to the ways that the drug wars were fantastically successful. For instance, one should remember that all of these kinds of otherwise criminally insane wars, that the government of the USA has been the heart of, were being "paid" for with "money" made out of nothing, as debts. Indeed, the full cost of these wars cannot be estimated without considering the most important social fact, that the banksters will be paid interest on that "money" which there were able to create out of nothing, in order to "pay" for those wars.
Overall, the banksters benefit all the way around. The banksters get to launder the illegal drug profits. The banksters get to have more excuses to build a fascist police state, to protect them, and to advance their overall long-term agenda. The drug wars make SENSE because the government is the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, which was how and why the overall real effect of the war on some drugs was to enable organized crime to flourish. (Of course, the same factors now apply to the war on terror, except many orders of magnitude more so.)
Generally, my view is that these runaway criminal insanities can not be stopped because there is almost nothing but controlled opposition groups surrounding the core organized crime groups. The vast majority of the people who promote the notion that we should "end the drug war" continue to be mainstream morons and reactionary revolutionaries, which I personally tend to dislike, because they STAY inside of the bullshit view of what the war on drugs was supposed to do, and then, from that perspective, they point out that that war on drugs was a "failure." (Therefore, they are similar to those who also fail to understand how the war on terror is just another phase of the same pattern of social facts, only getting exponentially worse, faster, along with everything else.)
With all due respect, I think you're looking too hard for an answer and not seeing what's clear and obvious. Who gave us Prohibition in the 20's? Progressives, look it up. The War on terror? (neocons ie progressives) Now the War on Obesity and the food police? Obama, Bloomie, progressives. See a pattern here with these progressive statists? These people want to control every aspect of your life and behaviour, from what you can eat, drink, wipe your ass with and how much water you flush down the toilet.
WAR on Drugs and the EPA? Nixon, progressive.
Here's an article from thinkprogress praising Nixons progressive policies.
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2013/01/09/1420121/nixon-turns-100-why...
Hardbanger, you keep on using the word "progressive" without enough apparent appreciation of the ways that, OF COURSE, that was the biggest bullies' bullshit language, which was BACKWARDS. The "progressives" advanced the agenda of the banksters!
I think that you are not looking hard enough, Hardbanger, but rather, are content to stay stuck in the rut of using the biggest bullies' language, wherein words are typically used in ways which actually end up meaning the total opposite to what they initially pretended they meant.
After one looks hard enough, it becomes clear that there is nothing but the dynamic equilibria of different systems of organized lies operating robberies. Therefore, of course, the social systems are run by the best available professional liars and immaculate hypocrites. Therefore, OF COURSE, the so-called "progressives" were socially successful to the degree that they were advancing the agenda of the banksters. Therefore, the so-called "progressives" actually achieved regressive things, through implementing their agenda.
The war on (some) drugs FITS into the overall history of warfare, in which success was based on deceits and treacheries. The DEA were "drug warriors" that primarily used legalized violence to back up legalized lies, which was always the "progressives'" agenda, because they always worked to advance the systems whereby the best organized gangs of criminals were controlling the government, as the biggest form of organized crime.
When one looks HARDER, in that way, through the issues, then the problems are that there must necessarily be some best organized gangs of criminals, which control the biggest forms of organized crime. However, by and large, most people who wake up to the degree to which the established systems ARE based on organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition, then collapse back to bullshit solutions, which are still based on false fundamental dichotomies, and the related impossible ideals, that their ought not be any organized crime.
People who tend to oppose statism tend to refuse to face how and why statism was selected to become so dominant. That is my view regarding your opinion, which is that I reverse it back to say that it is your failure to think more deeply about statism which actually enables the established forms of statism to develop worse disequilibria. There is barely any real opposition, because most of the controlled opposition still thinks in ways which is controlled by their use of the biggest bullies' bullshit language.
A genuinely more scientific understanding of politics would stop using the same old DUALITIES of false fundamental dichotomies, and their related impossible ideals, and instead start using UNITARY MECHANISMS. All human realities are always organized lies operating robberies. The only way that human beings and human civilizations can operate is as entropic pumps of energy. However, that has been deliberately misunderstood in the most BACKWARD ways possible by the established systems, which get to pretend that there is a basic dichotomy between organized crime versus government, when they are basically the same thing, and must be the same thing.
"Progressive statists" specialize in being professional liars and immaculate hypocrites. Their history of successfully backing up legalized lies, with legalized violence, has been the primary agenda of American civilization for at least a Century, automatically becoming worse, faster, during that time. Given that history, is it now practically impossible to have any rational public debates about any important issues.
First and foremost, the central issues should be the death control systems, that back up the debt control systems. Everything else fits into those, BUT, those are currently based on the maximum possible deceits, and frauds, while the controlled opposition groups stay within the same frame of reference in their basic attitudes. Hence, Hardbanger, I would presume that you have no suggestions regarding how to operate better death controls, to back up better debt controls, and indeed, those problems appear to be practically impossible, due to thousands of years of history of the greatest social successes being achieved by the biggest bullies, promoting their bullshit regarding everything. Thus, there is now almost nothing but organized crime, surrounded by controlled opposition, while most of that opposition does not even perceive the degree to which it is controlled, because they still have to think using the biggest bullies' bullshit language, which is what labeling those "progressives" as "progressive" amounts to.
Statism is simply the biggest and best organized form of organized crime. BUT, BUT, BUT, it is IMPOSSIBLE for organized crime to not exist. The ONLY things which are possible are to develop better dynamic equilibria between the different systems of organized lies operating robberies. However, that is extremely difficult after the biggest bullies have been so dominate, for generation after generation, that almost everyone believes in their bullshit, and indeed, there is barely any generally understood language to use to communicate with that is not still based on their bullshit.
The war on drugs was promoted by the banksters, which is obvious to anyone who faces the facts that the banksters have actually been controlling governments throughout the time that the war on drugs was developed. Furthermore, it is also obvious that the banksters were the ones who benefited the most, in all possible ways, from waging that war against some drugs. The so-called "progressives" always worked to advance the banksters' agenda, and they still do!
HOWEVER, those who call for an end to drugs, who do not understand how and why warfare EXISTED, and warfare made STATES, because warfare was organized crime on larger and larger scales, do not have enough genuine understanding of the real problems, to provide genuine solutions, but only provide bullshit solutions based on their bullshit understanding. Those who continue to still think in the same ways that they were taught by the biggest bullies are controlled opposition.
I REPEAT that almost all the content on Zero Hedge is a version of controlled opposition, and I would include your statements, Hardbanger, within that category. Of course, to the degree that I still have to use the English language to communicate, and still have to live inside of the established civilization, I too must necessarily be somewhat still controlled opposition. However, I endeavour to use the English language in ways which gets closer to the radical truths that governments are necessarily the biggest form of organized crime, controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, and therefore, the only way to get better government is through better organized crime, which must primarily become better death control systems.
IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO STOP ALL WARS.
IT IS POSSIBLE TO WAGE BETTER WARS.
Here is what you're not getting. You don't need bankers to have an Authoritarian all controlling state. That is the only goal of statists. What you're doing is excusing the gov which emposes these laws on you and blaming their enablers which are the Bankers. End result is the bankers drain the country of wealth by charging interest on the money your gov borrowed. The middle class is destroyed by taxation and small business destruction, the country is left with only 2 classes. The statists in gov power ,which are ofcourse democratically elected on the promise of moar gov help, get to keep their control over the plebs. Enjoy the smoke.
Hardbanger, you are not thinking about the MECHANISMS of the funding of the political processes, whereby the profits from successfully corrupting the government can be reinvested in more successful corruption.
The international banksters were the primary ones to successfully corrupt the government of the USA, in order to be able reinvest the profits from frauds in more frauds. The big corporations that grew up around those banks were similarly able to engage in corruption, such as how, during the years leading up to Obamacare, the "health care" industries (or Profit from Disease Systems) were then the biggest group of contributors.
I REPEAT:
FOLLOW
THE MONEY
TO ITS REAL
SOURCES!!!
It is BACKWARDS to believe that, AFTER the government has been corrupted to give away the power to make the public "money" supply to privately controlled banks that the remaining "government" has any more real power. The oligarchs that pay for the political processes get what they want! (Those are proven social facts, which have been reviewed in many articles published on Zero Hedge.)
Who's Behind All of the Wars?
The money system pays for the murder system, and so controls it. The privatization of the money power has become the effective privatization of the power to murder. The government of the USA is a fascist partnership, of big government and big business, but the controlled power flows from the SOURCE of the public "money" supply.
I think that you perceive politics in relatively superficial ways, Hardbanger, because you are not paying enough attention to the FACT that private banks control the public "money" supply, and therefore, ACTUALLY control everything else! The theoretical powers of governments, and in turn "We the People," are NOTHING compared to the real power of the best organized gang of criminals, being able to dominate the political processes by applying the methods of organized crime. The disorganized majority has been DEFEATED by the organized minority.
Hardbanger, you are surely superficially correct about some of the facts which you cite, however, you organize them BACKWARDS, because you appear to understand the driving mechanisms BACKWARDS. The maximum leverage to control governments is exerted through the funding of the political processes (FROM BRIBERY TO ASSASSINATION!). That has a long history of the profits from fraud reinvested in more frauds, until there is almost nothing left but integrated systems of legalized lies, backed by legalized violence. The fish has rotted from the head to the tail. You are not paying enough attention to the head that went rotten long before we were born, or our parents were born!
WHAT HAS BEEN THE ACTUAL RESULT?
A VERY, VERY, WEALTHY OLIGARCHY!
& DIVIDED & CONTROLLED
OPPOSITION DOING NOTHING
EFFECTIVE TO ACTUALLY OPPOSE.
The "statists" serve the interests of those who become more wealthy and powerful, which are NOT governments, but the banksters that control the public "money" supply, as well as the corporations that have grown up around that kind of public "money" supply. Follow that "money" through the history of the funding of ALL aspects of the political processes to understand "statism" better!
Thanks for that.
I'm not as good at putting my thoughts out there as you.
Can't find anything to argue with in what you said.
why is it a crime to make theM?
Why the fuck is it a crime to take drugs anyway?
Oh wow, DetectiveStern, that's an unusual question at this site, as most commenters here tend to fall into the educated and erudite category.
Allow me to explain. . .
Since the dawn of time, various domination/submission artificial constructs have been devised to subjugate humans to the power of a select few: religion, various perverse ideologies, and today's economic/financial scams (capitalism, etc.); all meant to control humans through the normal means: access to knowledge, access to pleasure, access to beauty (invariably, always the big three as these are the most universal, as well as universal to progress).
Can you dig it?
As most people today, especially in countries like America, don't understand this and various other fundamental processes, and are easily duped by professional disinformation specialists like the Chomsky family (Noam and Avi), Kevin Phillips, Chalmers Johnson [deceased], Jeremy Rifkin, etc.
Which drugs, Mike? Do you want to legalize meth, heroin, krokodil?
Fire all the parasites at .gov, by all means, but there are reasons why some of this shit is illegal.
so, what you are saying then, is that you're not comfortable having the freedom of owning your own life and taking responsibility for your own decisions.
you feel that someone else, a daddy-figure, in "authority", has the right to make decisions over your life and decide what you have the right to do and not to do.
Freedom? Dont be a politically correct pussy and go smoke a cigarrete in a bar or public space like people did in the old days.
nice nonsequitur, harbanger.
i don't believe in political correctness and i don't smoke.
I upvoted you. That is the core of the debate. We see Big Daddy has decided to take all the liberty unto hisself (often masquerading in pantsuits). An extremely limited republic with honest money woulda been a good way to go. DIdn't last for long did it? Maybe vigilence shoulda been a key tenet in the Bible? The prophet Samuel about threw a hissy fit when the Israelites begged for kings. Ofcourse he was right and an extended sh*tstorm ensued.
What I am saying is that there is no responsible use of meth, heroin, or krokodil, and I don't want to live in any place that looks and smells like the ghetto.
I don't like speed limits either, but I sure as hell like them for other drivers;)
Speeding is not the same as personal drug use.
If you cannot do with your own body what you want, how can you be free?
Besides look at the crime empires drug prohibition funds.
Educate people on the dangers, but if they so choose to destroy themselves, they should have the freedom to do so.
LOL that is funny....we spend billions rescuing people...many of them drug addicts. Not all druggies are harmless!
If a druggie robs somebody or crashes his car, he should have to pay. If he needs to quit, he needs pay for it, or get out of it himself.
Too much freedom has been lost "rescuing" people
No there are no real reasons why these drugs are illegal or should ever have been illegal. Drugs such as novocaine, vicadin, codeine, morphine are all clinically legal and are more addictive and harmful than meth, heroine.
The ONLY reason these drugs are illegal is because at one point, our government was a bunch of religious freaks, and then the industry surrounding the illegality (AKA the DEA) became so entrenched in society via government grants that it has been all but impossible to pass anything through an equally as corrupt congress.
Also, if you want to get your hands on any of the drugs listed above its stupid simple. Ive ordered mephedrone online. Like literally one summer typed into google: mephedrone wholesale online. 2 weeks later, a 10g packet came inside a CD case.
And tell me whats more dangerous in your mind: completely unregulated supply via the black market or a regulated supply that has to adhere to standards? Illegality forces the first.
If you want to trust others to supply your food or drugs, that should be your option. Also, if you want to grow your own food, including medicinal or even recreational drugs, that also should be your option. At a minimum "home brew" style laws. Nature provides what we need, why do men use the law to prevent us from it? Now, behavior needs considered and peace keeping also, which is why we should have peace officers. Home brew people are not your gang bangers - and most of the gang bangers are associated with the distribution of the large commercial ops that Agencies like the DEA are "supposedly" preventing, but it's proven time and again that the people in political circles are actually profiteering on the drug trade (illicit and Pharmco). Conflicts of interest here. Arkansas comes directly to mind, but so does the Chinese opium trade in days of yore - these were ultimately the same groups running slaves to the New World. Just awful.
Good point about peoples behavior. I do think gov't has no place policing one's body and at the same time they have no place supporting it either, through EBT or welfare, or any other way. That would make damn short lifes for those who had bad behavior. But hey it would be their own choice. We could get by with a lot less gov't and taxes in that scenario.
More addictive than heroine? NO.
Your wrong on that one my friend.
And the legal one painkillers are the ones killing people, in their homes, out of view. The overdosing has grown in lock step with Afghani production. How convenient.
Does anyone ever consider that some of it is more available due to the profits involved? Take away the profit motive and See Eye A.
Actually, meth, heroin, krok are not illegal because they're dangerous. If that were the case, Liquid Draino would be on the list too, because you will die if you drink it. They're illegal because it's a huge chunk of money they lose in fines, court costs, governemnt jobs and seized property if they legalized it.........and every goddamn one of em knows it. The fact is, you can't fix stupid people, no matter what you do. If a guy decides he's gonna shoot up heroin on his couch until the cows come home, that's what he's gonna do. That's his problem. Taxpayers shouldn't have to foot the bill to prevent him from harming himself.
F--k the drug war.
I recommend legalizing all drugs, with the provisions for ensuring adequate INFORMED CONSENT by those who consume those drugs. The more dangerous the drug, the more sure we should be that the consumers of those drugs understand those risks.
Of course, the established systems are pretty well totally the opposite to that. Some of the best drugs are them most illegal, while some of the worst drugs are the most legally available.
As several other comments already pointed out, (particularly by The Juggenaut) the ruling classes wage war against the consciousness against those they rule over.
The opposite to attitudes of fear and ignorance towards drugs would be INFORMED CONSENT, based on being able to make individual choices based on reliable information. Of course, that is diametrically opposite to how social pyramid systems based on legalized lies, backed by legalized violence, actually developed. Furthermore, a greater sphere of INFORMED CONSENT should also include making individual choices regarding reliable information about how and why civilization necessarily operates according to the principles and methods of organized crime, and that some death control systems MUST be central to all other control systems in any civilization.
As my previous comments already outlined, one should go through TWO STEPS to understand the drug war in particular, and all wars in general. The FIRST STEP is to understand that the real history of warfare has selected for civilization to be controlled by the best organized gangs of criminals, which are surrounded by almost nothing but controlled opposition groups. The SECOND STEP is to appreciate that there must necessarily be some murder systems, and so, merely denouncing the established murder systems for being too deceitful provides no genuine solutions to the chronic political problems inherent in the nature of life.
Theoretically, the THIRD STEP would be a creative synthesis of the FIRST & SECOND STEPS, i.e., develop better organized crimes, as the only realistic ways that there could be better government. Inside of that context, INFORMED CONSENT, as much as possible, on as many levels as possible, would be the ways to make greater use of information, enabling higher consciousness.
However, at the present time, the vast majority of people have not even taken the FIST STEP, but rather, continue to be brainwashed to believe in the biggest bullies' bullshit social stories, while the few who do take the FIRST STEP usually then fail to take the SECOND STEP, and therefore, proposing that society should take the THIRD STEP is something that less than 0.000001% of the population understands or agrees with.
Instead, we are still most STUCK inside of runaway criminal insanities, such as the war on drugs segueing into the war on terror, as triumphant wars started by deceits, which enable the established debt slavery systems to drive themselves towards generating debt insanity numbers, which will provoke unprecedented death insanities.
Theoretically, the resolutions to the issues that some drugs are dangerous are the same as with all other relative risks. However, we are currently inside of the paradoxical social situation that the greatest risks of all are the existence of a criminally insane government, controlled by the most criminally insane people. Given those are the social facts, moving from grossly disproportional and irrational risk analysis of various drugs, to ones based on INFORMED CONSENT, is just another practically impossible day dream, since the society we are actually living in is ALREADY terminally sick and insane, and probably beyond being able to recover, rather than more probably killing itself off instead.
Yes, legalize the lot. If you want to get high on drano, then do it for all I fucking care.
Yes, make them all legal, and then don't prosecute me when I shoot somebody for stealing my shit. It will be a self correcting problem with maybe a bit of chaos at first.
agreed.
however, when it's legal, it will be cheap and no one will need to steal to get it.
Hmm, so WHY are laws against taking Cyanide, Strychnine, etc, not being enforced? Check yer premises.
free drugs, sex with columbian women, all on a gov salary with benefits?
Where the hell do I sign up?
The courts will nail a couple hirelings to the wall for show and move on. See? All better. It costs a lot of money to build ivy league schools don't ya know.
I think anyone can do it, as long as your standards are not high CUNT .
I am feeling patriotic as a taxpayer now. To think that my little contribution could have been a nipple or a clear heeled shoe makes me well up with pride.
Seeing that they are professionals, this becomes a total Non-Issue if you get them to sign an NDA.
You can then slap a gag order on them. QED.
Hoes and Blow.
Getting paid to have sex. I want this job.
It's called being a prostitute, I think anyone can do it, as long as your standards are not high.
I wondwer if Obama in his Chicago days was a paid confidential informant for the DEA. Paid in blow.
Whatever it takes to wet the whistle.
The cartels are always member friendly, so membership has it's advantages.
Just ask the past heads of FDA. All drug trafficing pays well. JUmp on board.
Are they accepting job applications?
Sorry, there's already a long waiting list of whores wanting to service the American agents with their fat wallets and teensy weensy dicks. You got to get in on the scam before it becomes popular.
this goes nowhere. Especially when each meber of that "oversight panel" receives a little special package on their front doorstep one morning-with either REAL or FABRICATED pictures of their own indisicretions
Sounds like a dream job to me.
"and modified a hotel room door to facilitate sexual play."
eh?
Glory Hole?
But the staffers and a deputy sheriff also discovered that someone had removed the bedroom door from its hinges and replaced it with a 5-by-4-foot piece of plywood affixed to the frame and the drywall with hinges and screws, the arrest report said. The door had two locks attached from the bedroom side and a circular hole padded with duct tape. The deputy noted in the arrest report that the hole appeared to be used "in some sort of sexual act."
Out-Onioned by reality.
I hope it wasn't a Dutch Door
Hot wax? S & M fire play?
The mind boggles.
Glory hole.
At the white house, they call it the situation room
first time in a long time I've read something that made government agents seem like cool dudes I'd like to party with.
Good for them.
what a bunch of prudes you guys are.
What do you think special forces do on leave? Read the bible and drink lemonade?
fags.
Obviously they like sucking each other off through holes in the door................